[06:11] morning superfly and others [06:11] morning Kilos! [06:13] Morning [06:14] hi sakhi [06:41] morning Kilos [06:41] hi there skarr === sdehaan_ is now known as sdehaan [07:19] parleys.com sucks. [07:19] hi nuvolari [07:19] adobe air on linux #fail [07:19] hallo oom Kilos [07:19] hoe gaan dit met oom? [07:20] goed dankie en self [07:25] hi morgs [07:26] hi Kilos and everyone [07:59] Kilos: dit gaan goed dankie oom [07:59] byt die stof maar gaan aan :P [07:59] mooi [08:15] hello again ubuntoers [08:15] hehe hiya kbmonkey [08:16] vnstat [08:16] oops sorry ;p [08:22] now you know what i use to track my data usage [08:22] how are you Kilos? hows the head feeling? [08:22] iftop [08:23] bearable ty kbmonkey hows you [08:24] install iftop then start it with the command sudo iftop -p -P [08:24] i havent worked out the extra options yet [08:29] hallo [08:29] hi totimkopf [08:30] hello [08:30] hi [08:30] usually reading the man pages tells everything about all the options [08:30] oh hello there superfly :] [08:30] i have kbmonkey but dont understand most [08:31] no forget i am a appy geek [08:31] ha ha fair enough [08:31] lol [08:32] some of those man pages are greek to me [08:32] hehe [08:32] Kilos: hoe gaan het met jou, maatje [08:32] dit* [08:32] jammer [08:32] like i find i have PSI+ installed but dunno what it is [08:33] lol goed dankie totimkopf [08:33] en daar [08:33] hoe weet jy ek praat die taal [08:33] want ek ken jy [08:33] jou* [08:33] lol skelm [08:34] jammer maar my afrikaans is nogal steeds kak [08:34] u is 'n oom [08:34] waar? [08:34] hehe [08:34] who are you skelm [08:35] sounds near to drubin [08:35] ek kom van texas af [08:35] oh [08:35] Kilos: jammer ek kanie alles lees [08:35] Kilos: waat is naby my? [08:35] whew thats long time no chat [08:36] you were coming here hey? [08:36] ja hoor [08:36] dis reg [08:37] mooi man. hoe werk jou planne uit [08:37] a texan that talks die tall, nice! :D [08:37] he he [08:38] ja hoor ek hou daarvan om afrikaans te praat [08:38] skuus drubin ek het gedink totimkopf was jy wat my terg [08:38] hehe [08:38] Kilos: kk tot siens [08:38] he learned of the interwebs i think if i member right [08:38] nee ek's ander dude :p [08:39] ja dis reg [08:39] op die blabber network [08:40] kbmonkey, have ytou tried iftop [08:40] you as well [08:40] gaan dit nog goed totimkopf [08:40] ek weet nie wat dit is nie [08:41] no im just updating my system then i'll install it kilos [08:41] you shoulda done it first then you could see what the updates cost you too [08:42] Kilos: het jy dalk skype? [08:42] or have you just done a clean install [08:42] apt tell me update used 11.6 MB but at the net cafe so I pay per time [08:42] nee totimkopf my pc is te stadig en bandwidth is te duur hier [08:42] also i needed to upgrade as I had a dependency conflict cos I messed around with stuff ;P [08:43] lol [08:43] ag nee :( [08:43] wow nice one Kilos ! [08:43] what? [08:43] ek kijk 'n fliek, Ghost In The Sheel, het jy dit gesien? [08:43] Shell* [08:44] kyk* [08:44] sjoe [08:44] nee [08:45] hmm [08:46] kyk is the correct way to say look totimkopf [08:46] you got it [08:46] drussell, wb [08:46] het jy 'Breaker Morant' gesien? [08:46] Kilos: thx :o) [08:46] Kilos: oneiric update and reboot ;o) [08:47] thats nice drussell [08:47] will get there one day too [08:47] nee totimkopf [08:47] ek sien maar min movies [08:47] it's the only movie i know of about the boer war === sdehaan_ is now known as sdehaan [08:48] it's cool [08:48] there is a nice song you can get about the war too [08:48] called de la rey [08:49] yes, i know it [08:49] actually a video [08:49] he was a general wasn't he [08:49] a boer general [08:49] ja [08:50] did you find breaker morant with google totimkopf [08:51] yes [08:51] i dont think we made many movies about it. brings up too much bad feeling [08:52] why bad? [08:53] the way the english had to burn everything and lock up women and kids to be able to win [08:53] ah yes [08:54] the english made the first concentration camp [08:54] terrible [08:54] yip and started the scorched earth policy i think [08:55] scorched earth policy? [08:55] burn and destroy every thing [08:55] Hello [08:56] not nice to only be able to win a war because you enemy has no food [08:56] hiya dra [08:56] grr [08:56] DraZoro, morning [08:56] Hi Kilos [08:56] i forgot the tab [08:57] I noticed in my stem userA can change to directory to let's say /home/userB is that normal ? [08:57] I mean userA can access [08:58] gotta run, play well with maaz, kilos [08:58] I mean userA can access data from userB [08:58] cheers kbmonkey go well [08:58] lol [08:58] DraZoro, i dunno [08:59] Under Fedora that was not possible [08:59] DraZoro, the permissions depends, im not sure by default, but read access may be set for the user files [08:59] isnt user a you? [08:59] Kilos: Nope [08:59] oh others use the pc too [08:59] Yes [09:00] I have added 3 users on the same machine [09:00] where do you fit in then? [09:00] I am the first user [09:00] who has admin rights [09:00] Kilos: Me [09:01] then others wont be able to change much then [09:01] Yes ....I think I will have to change the access rights manually [09:02] I don't want them to see each others folders and files [09:02] then everything gotta be password protected i think [09:03] what does google say about other user access right [09:04] Kilos: I will check ...Another o [09:04] you will need to talk to one of the clever guys to sort that out [09:04] Another option is to encrypt their home folders [09:04] Kilos: Thanks you did help [09:04] yw DraZoro [09:08] hi |3o|3 [09:08] Hello |3o|3 [09:09] <|3o|3> Hey Guys [18:13] evening all [18:16] hi secbrid [18:16] first time here? [18:17] evening uncle kilos [18:18] hi there kodez [18:19] it's been a while not connected, what's interesting of late? [18:19] kbmonkey has gone to capetown [18:19] and miss behaving there [18:20] and doesnt have uncapped any more so he visits in the morning from an internet cafe [18:20] Hi Kilos, been a while :) [18:20] everyone else seems to be working harder than ever [18:20] oh my [18:20] do i know you secbrid [18:20] ?? [18:21] sorry if i have forgotten you [18:22] never heard of that country--- Internic Commersial [18:22] Commercial [18:26] Maaz, coffee on [18:26] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [18:26] Maaz, strong [18:26] Kilos My coffee is always strong. If it is too strong for you then add more milk [18:30] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [18:31] Maaz, thanks man [18:31] Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-) [18:37] we need to start catching people and branding their names on [18:51] hurrrmmm [18:57] hi zeref [18:57] sore throat? [19:00] yeah [19:00] lol [19:00] feels like teh flu is coming [19:01] eish [19:02] yeah [19:02] and my ubuntu keeps freezing, and visual effects keeps crashing [19:02] FFFFUUUUU [19:03] double eish [19:03] heh [19:03] is it properly updated? [19:03] and upgraded [19:03] yeah [19:04] what release are you using zeref [19:04] natty [19:04] lucid [19:05] syslog and Xorg.0 show nothing [19:05] does the pc hang [19:06] or can you still switch desktops etc [19:06] yeah, cant even ctrl+alt+f1 [19:07] i had that about an hour ago and on rebooting it didnt even see the drive [19:07] o0o0 [19:07] had to pull battery out for 5 mins and then setup bios and then it was ok [19:07] almost as if bios lost everything [19:08] visual effects just crashed again [19:08] i think its the pc [19:08] graphics card maybe [19:09] set the visual effects to [19:09] um [19:09] sec i go see [19:09] it was on normal [19:09] now just turned it off [19:09] graphics card is ok [19:10] put it on none and see then [19:10] was working in debian squeeze [19:10] guess no more rotating deskop :P [19:11] i dunno how to do that [19:11] hehe [19:11] lol [19:11] compizconfig manager [19:12] what is rotating desktops [19:12] from what to what [19:12] when you move to a new workspace, it rotates to the next one [19:13] oh dont you just click on the desktop you want [19:13] i use 9 [19:13] yeah you click, at it rotates [19:13] i use 7 [19:13] still not enough, lol [19:14] oh is that what you mean rotates [19:14] yebo [19:14] add mor then [19:14] lol [19:14] heh [19:14] i thought 4 was enough [19:15] i love that feature [19:15] hate minimising every thing [19:15] suddently, one for terminal, irc,programming, pdf, emacs [19:15] etc [19:15] yeah, it was a horror on windows [19:15] yes i use for mail and pidgin and xchat and iftop and others for other thing [19:16] i hate windows [19:16] hehe [19:16] i only use the windows pc for games [19:17] not word or anything like taht [19:17] *no [19:17] thats all it is good for [19:17] i still wonder why varsities dont go open source [19:18] because microsoft gives them blanket licenses [19:18] i also find that strange, especially if the got a freedom toaster there [19:19] superfly: blanket licenses? [19:19] zeref: yes, they pay a fixed amount per year, and they get to use as many copies of all Microsoft software as they like [19:20] Windows, Visual Studio, the lot [19:20] aah i see [19:20] evening superfly [19:20] you still woprking or lurking tonight [19:21] working [19:21] Kilos: working [19:21] and hows mrs_fly and zac [19:22] they're doing fine [19:22] maybe one day when you old and rich you can lurk some [19:22] zeref, is pc ok now [19:23] yeah seems ok now [19:23] http://www.pythonchallenge.com/pc/def/linkedlist.php [19:23] WTF [19:23] then i think its your graphics card that cant handle the effects [19:24] meh, bleh [19:24] 1GB nvidia 9500GT [19:24] dont take my word for it [19:24] zeref: ah yes, the Python challenge, very awesome :-) [19:24] that should be fine [19:25] yeah, i'm enjoying tehm just number 4, i've got no cooking clue where to start [19:25] does it get very hot zeref [19:25] i know i have to use urllib [19:25] Kilos, nope [19:25] whew you got an ugly prob to sort [19:26] zeref: did you click on the image? [19:26] just try borrow another card from someone and check [19:27] superfly: ya [19:27] but i know i figure it out soonz [19:27] Kilos, i'm the only one in this res with a graphics card [19:27] they all using lappies [19:28] eish [19:29] superfly [19:30] hmmm, the url nothing =xxxxx [19:33] sigh [19:33] wb [19:33] crashed again [19:33] just logged me out [19:33] ubuntu gods hate me [19:33] who [19:33] lol [19:34] what client you use [19:34] for irc? [19:34] yeah [19:35] irssi [19:35] dont you like xchat [19:35] very stable here [19:36] o0o0 [19:36] never used it [19:37] Oct 7 21:35:06 ghost kernel: [44881.744844] wnck-applet[3962]: segfault at 21 ip 00961549 sp bfc4d8f0 error 4 in libwnck-1.so.22.3.26[94d000+36000] [19:37] do you understand what that means? [19:38] no, LOL [19:39] segfault, iets to do with mem access [19:39] but segfault doesnt sound good [19:40] indeed [19:40] and my knees rattle when anything mentions the kernel [19:40] oh how long has it been hanging [19:41] maybe you got something a bit broken in there somewhere [19:41] the haning started about 3 days ago [19:41] i fink so to [19:41] have you done a recovery [19:41] just doing some updates/upgrades and waiting to see [19:42] you do them from terminal [19:42] Kilos: I'm just lurking but I'm neither rich nor old [19:42] lol hiya inetpro [19:42] ya [19:42] * inetpro lol [19:43] Maaz: coffee on [19:43] * Maaz puts the kettle on [19:43] Maaz, coffee please [19:43] Kilos: Sure [19:44] inetpro, what does that line tell you ^^ [19:44] 22 up i think [19:45] hmm... never seen it [19:45] zeref, reinstall that libwnck-1 again too [19:46] you use aptitude hey zeref [19:46] apt-get [19:46] the guys that know say aptitude is better [19:46] dunno why [19:47] Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos! [19:47] * inetpro wonders what libwnck-1.so is used for [19:47] i cant remember if its in lucid or if you must install it [19:47] Maaz: dankie [19:47] Groot plesier inetpro my vriend [19:47] Maaz, ty [19:47] Enjoy Kilos [19:48] inetpro, i think libwnck controls workspaces, etc [19:48] hi JabberwockyA19 [19:48] zeref: that sounds like trouble [19:48] yeah :-( [19:49] zeref: try this on the cli [19:49] zeref: locate libwnck-1 [19:49] A library to use for writing pagers and task lists. [19:49] This package contains internationalization files. [19:49] synaptic tells all [19:50] hi Kilos :) [19:50] think i'll reinstall it if updates dont change anything [19:51] * JabberwockyA19 looking for a way to rmmod 8139too and modprobe 8169 [19:51] 8139too? [19:51] realtek network card giving problems :( [19:52] you can sudo rmmod or blacklist it [19:52] those 81... are the kernel modules' names [19:52] eish bad friday [19:52] zeref: maybe if you can figure out what package the file belongs to you can try troubleshooting from there [19:52] zeref: if I remove the 8139too driver it doesn't detect the network card [19:53] thanks inetpro i'll try that [19:53] Jabber, what kind of problems is it giving? [19:53] I wonder if there's a way to force the old driver [19:53] * JabberwockyA19 hopes he doens't have to rebuild the kernel [19:54] zeref: if you have found the file you search the package with dpkg -S /path/to/file [19:56] Jabber, cant you blacklist the new driver and modprobe the old one? [19:56] zeref: I see others also having the problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1545952 [19:56] lol zeref when you type someones nick type the first three letters and hit tab and you should get the whole nick [19:56] if I modprobe the new one eth0 is gone [19:57] if I do 'lspci -k' it shows that the card is compatible under both drivers [19:57] * JabberwockyA19 will be back now [19:57] Kilos, TIL something new :-D [19:58] huh [19:58] TIL? [19:59] Today I learnt [19:59] oh [19:59] inetpro: i see, sigh [19:59] eish, lots of them having problemos with wnck-applet [19:59] i dont know all the meanings i a ballie [20:00] inetpro, is there a way to fix broken packages in cli [20:01] Kilos: all depends on the meaning of the word broken [20:01] in synaptic you go edit and fix broken and it loks for broken packages [20:01] not working properly [20:01] isnt that broken [20:01] sjoe [20:02] Kilos: hmm... [20:03] and synaptic also finds packages that arent upgraded even after update and upgrade in cli [20:03] Kilos: in the context of apt the word broken would most likely mean that you had some kind of trouble during installation time [20:03] oh not when probs appear later [20:04] --fix-broken = attempt to correct a system with broken dependencies in place. [20:04] is that apt-get [20:04] ummmm, why not dpkg --configure -a? [20:04] fixes broken packages [20:05] Kilos: yep, that's from man apt-get [20:05] i think dpkg does that only for files not configured properly [20:07] so it would be sudo apt-get --fix-broken or must you name the package [20:07] or the path as well [20:08] zeref: you might also wanna look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/576751 [20:08] Kilos or use: sudo apt-get -f install [20:09] oh yes [20:12] zeref: I'm not sure whether this is related but I'm quoting from the above link "The panel with the wnck-applet needs to have both auto-hide and transparency enabled for the memory leak to show up..." [20:13] that's from comment #18 [20:13] hmm, i'm reading that now.... [20:14]