[07:25] <ssbpls> hello
[07:25] <ssbpls> i come to a problem with the installation of my ubuntu studio
[07:27] <ssbpls> i am going to install the ubuntu studio 11.04, when i come to the step of select and install the software, it failed. so i just install the base system, when i boot up, it just has the text mode and didn't install  the gnome
[07:36] <ssbpls> ???
[13:29] <bartje> hi guys, I've got a bit of a mistery here, jack just won't start in ubuntu 11.10 beta 64 bit... on my 32 bit system it does work though.
[13:30] <holstein> the bigger mystery is, why do you have both ;)
[13:30] <bartje> lol, two different machines
[13:30] <holstein> bartje: try gksudo qjackctl just to be sure its not permissions
[13:31] <holstein> bartje: the same audio hardware? the same interface?
[13:31] <bartje> hm, won't start
[13:31] <holstein> bartje: what interface?
[13:31] <bartje> it's as if the driver doesn't find my audiofire12
[13:31] <holstein> you have *lots* of differences between those machines other than the OS
[13:32] <holstein> the firewire chipset can prevent JACK from starting
[13:32] <bartje> I used the same soundcard
[13:32] <holstein> the audiofire?
[13:32] <bartje> it used to work in 11.04
[13:32] <bartje> yes
[13:32] <holstein> it uses a firewire controller though
[13:33] <holstein> bartje: i would get a live CD, and confirm the hardware works
[13:33] <holstein> something like AVLinux
[13:33] <bartje> but the alsa driver doesn't want to start either, for the onboard soundcard
[13:33] <holstein> did you reinstall JACK?
[13:33] <bartje> oh yes, twice.. lol
[13:34] <bartje> I also followed the wiki to add raw1394 to the modules to be loaded
[13:34] <bartje> the wiki on linuxmusicians
[13:36] <holstein> sure, but you shouldnt need to do that
[13:36] <holstein> and that could break something in the newer version of ubuntu, who knows
[13:36] <bartje> didn't work without it either
[13:36] <holstein> i would still try with a live CD
[13:36] <holstein> the only way to really know is to either take a live CD, and try, or install 32bit ubuntu
[13:37] <holstein> you can look in the JACK messages
[13:37] <bartje> but how do I know what's wrong with the current system? it did work in 11.04
[13:37] <holstein> paste those in, and try and catch LAS or one of the JACK folks
[13:37] <holstein> bartje: if it works with a 32bit live CD, then you know whats up
[13:37] <holstein> i heard you had to use the older stack for that device
[13:38] <holstein> the juju stack wouldnt work
[13:38] <holstein> but, i thought 11.04 had that
[13:38] <holstein> i would put the firewire device down, try a live CD such as avlinux, and see if the other hardware workds
[13:38] <holstein> works*
[13:39] <bartje> ok... let's try :-)
[13:39] <holstein> what youve got now is a case where you could have broken something getting FW to work
[13:39] <holstein> OR, it could just be buntu
[13:40] <holstein> im a regular ubuntu supporter and user, and i would never use the non-LTS versions of ubuntustudio
[13:40] <holstein> thats just my personal preference though
[13:40] <holstein> not an excuse for why its not working
[13:41] <bartje> I also installed the ubuntustudio packages, aparently it added a second raw1394.rules file... hmm...
[13:42] <holstein> maybe, but, running gksudo qjackctl should get you around that
[13:42] <holstein> i do that as a test with my FW device
[13:42] <holstein> if it runs as root, then you can stop messing around with the hardware
[13:42] <bartje> even the dummy driver doesn't work
[13:43] <holstein> right, so thats something in the software
[13:43] <holstein> and you've been messing about with it, so im not sure if it came like that or not
[13:44] <bartje> it's only 2 things I've changed.. the .rules file, and the modules
[13:44]  * holstein shrugs
[13:44] <bartje> and reïnstalling jack of course
[13:44] <holstein> its defintely JACK though
[13:44] <holstein> or software
[13:45] <holstein> try #opensourcemusicians
[13:45] <bartje> I will, thx
[13:45] <holstein> i see las is out of town for a bit