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| Darkwing | Anyone know anyone that works on teh @ubuntu and @kubuntu forwards with Launchpad? | 05:10 |
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| claydoh | ScottK: testing migration in kmail seems much much better since your last upload: the migrator still fails, but after delting kmail-migratorrc and runnng it --interactive it all was migrated successfully, 1 imap(gmail), 2 d-imap and one pop account all went smoothly!, | 05:17 |
| claydoh | plus all my previous dimap cached messgaes were savded it theor own folders . | 05:17 |
| claydoh | actually after running migrator manually, starting kmail prompted for the migrator again, which I rn just for fun, but it errored saying it had already been run. I closed it, then kmail opened to the well-migrated state. | 05:19 |
| claydoh | so you got us somewhere ! No errror messages downloading mail, either | 05:20 |
| claydoh | +1 | 05:20 |
| claydoh | oops soory for draggin it on, but you do have to reload any folders with previous mails to have then show, which will obviously not be obvious to users | 05:22 |
| Darkwing | So KMail is fixed? | 05:23 |
| claydoh | well mostly, filters are not migrated (but that is known) , and a previously fixed bug has re emerged (gotta get hte number, it is the one where you can't filter based on mailing list id | 05:27 |
| claydoh | and I am awaiting spam to see if the spam filtering will move the junk mail to the junk folder | 05:28 |
| claydoh | Darkwing: this is in a vm atm, for migration testing, I have a mostly working kmail setup from scratch for daily use | 05:28 |
| Darkwing | claydoh: Okay | 05:29 |
| claydoh | gotta remember to not delte the spam when using my droid | 05:29 |
| Darkwing | :D | 05:29 |
| Darkwing | I'm having massive issues with my email.. | 05:30 |
| claydoh | phone=timesucker lol | 05:30 |
| Darkwing | I changed primary email in launchpad and they stopped sending to my old but failed to start sending it to my new one. | 05:30 |
| Darkwing | Yeah, it is. I love my galaxy s though. | 05:30 |
| claydoh | Darkwing: yeah, in mine, there are errors everywhere on one account, and often massive dupes on another, | 05:31 |
| claydoh | wish I could have one of those, have a droid charge, samsung and amoled screen goodness so far, for this phone noob | 05:32 |
| Darkwing | VZW? | 05:32 |
| claydoh | yeah | 05:32 |
| Darkwing | :D I wanted a charge but all I could afford was a Fascinate. (Galaxy S) | 05:33 |
| claydoh | lol same here, but amazon had a penny sale on everything but the newest (bionic) plus a 50 buck gift card, so i get paid for the phone lol | 05:34 |
| Darkwing | lol | 05:35 |
| claydoh | the wife has a fascinate, I am not allowed to touch it | 05:35 |
| Darkwing | :D I rooted mine and am running CyanogenMod7 on it. | 05:35 |
| claydoh | I rooted mine this past monday, just running a leaked vzw gingerbread | 05:36 |
| claydoh | I lasted one week before rooting | 05:36 |
| claydoh | I actually like the touchwhiz, tho have not played enough with any other launchers | 05:37 |
| claydoh | gingerbread means front cam with skype/google | 05:38 |
| Darkwing | Yup. | 05:38 |
| Darkwing | I've been running gingerbrad for a while. Had the first Droid and have been running GB on it since Google opened the souce. | 05:38 |
| claydoh | I am getting decent battery life, though i can't really use it too much when I at work, so I get a full day before charging | 05:41 |
| Darkwing | I normally keep it plugged into my computer so, I think that UDS will be my first real test on batt life. | 05:42 |
| claydoh | I hope there is 4g there, that would be nice | 05:43 |
| claydoh | just to see | 05:43 |
| Darkwing | You don't have 4g where you are? | 05:44 |
| claydoh | nope | 05:44 |
| claydoh | I don't know if there is any 4g in Maine | 05:45 |
| Darkwing | Ahhh, fun. | 05:46 |
| claydoh | no, but in reality, the 3g is almost as fast as te dsl I had not too long ago :) | 05:53 |
| bambee | morning | 10:00 |
| bulldog98_ | moin moin :) | 10:05 |
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| yofel | o/ | 10:16 |
| * yofel goes reinstalling oneiric on his thinkpad | 10:29 | |
| yofel | might as well make an iso test while I'm at it | 10:29 |
| yofel | bulldog98_: btw. does gles work on your eeePC? Doesn't work on mine | 10:52 |
| bulldog98_ | yofel: never tested that | 11:18 |
| yofel | for me kwin says "incomplete GLES support" and disables compositing | 11:18 |
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| yofel | mgraesslin: do you know if kwin is supposed to work with MESA 7.11 GLES on intel? I'm getting http://paste.kde.org/131347 | 11:23 |
| mgraesslin | yofel: no idea, have never seen that | 11:24 |
| mgraesslin | seems to be inside the mesa library | 11:24 |
| yofel | k, thanks | 11:24 |
| allee | yofel: is this the inofficial i915g. In this case opengl 2.0 was reached annouced yesterday: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Phoronix/~3/G9XiSH1DxiE/vr.php | 12:36 |
| yofel | *shrug* - it's whatever driver we have in the oneiric archive | 12:37 |
| allee | oh, I was guessing due to word gallium in your output: 'OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on i915 (chipset: 945GME)' | 12:38 |
| sheytan | apachelogger: ping pin | 13:08 |
| sheytan | g | 13:08 |
| sheytan | hey guys | 13:10 |
| sheytan | i made the cd cover for oneirc | 13:11 |
| sheytan | where to upload it? | 13:11 |
| claydoh | ScottK: so, the append failed messages are back in kmail, assuming they never left | 13:32 |
| claydoh | on d-imap | 13:32 |
| sheytan | http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/5996/front2kf.jpg | 13:36 |
| GirlyGirl | Hi the pre rc iso for testing ... does it include KDE SC 4.7.2? | 13:37 |
| GirlyGirl | sheytan: Is the cd cover such a secret that it has to be kept private? | 13:41 |
| sheytan | GirlyGirl: why? Did i hide it somehow? | 13:42 |
| GirlyGirl | sheytan: Clicking it gives me http://imageshack.us/img/blocked_login.jpg | 13:44 |
| sheytan | GirlyGirl: well, not for me and others :) | 13:44 |
| GirlyGirl | sheytan: Wow rekonq does that , opera shows it :d | 13:45 |
| GirlyGirl | sheytan: nice cover btw | 13:45 |
| sheytan | GirlyGirl: thank you :) | 13:46 |
| GirlyGirl | sheytan: What did you use for that ... Gimp , inkscape | 13:47 |
| sheytan | GirlyGirl: both :) | 13:47 |
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| allee | sheytan: cool cover! | 14:59 |
| allee | yofel: I'm curious what driver it is. On your eeepc grep drivers/ /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 15:04 |
| ximion | hi there! Could someone upload the Apper package to Ubuntu? | 15:07 |
| ximion | ScottK: ping | 15:28 |
| ScottK | claydoh: I don't think they did. | 15:31 |
| ScottK | ximion: pong | 15:31 |
| ScottK | claydoh: Great news on the migration. | 15:32 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: Mac ISO still doesn't boot and i think its because the kernel doesn't properly pick up the HDD | 15:33 |
| shadeslayer | someone was working on that iirc | 15:34 |
| ximion | ScottK: I don't think we will have an Apper release in time, so is it okay if I package a Git snapshot of Apper? | 15:34 |
| ximion | The tools is very stable and I fixed some last issues upstream | 15:35 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/782389/comments/21 | 15:35 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 782389 in linux (Ubuntu) "DVD drive doesn't work on MacBookPro8,2" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:35 |
| ximion | the bug mentioned by dantti last time has also been fixed last night | 15:35 |
| claydoh | ScottK: just wish we could suppress the error messages, the imap seems to work despite the error, | 15:50 |
| claydoh | I wonder why it is on one mail server (my webhost) and not gmail | 15:51 |
| ScottK | claydoh: I've tried to trace where they are coming from and didn't find it yet. | 15:55 |
| ScottK | ximion: Yes. | 15:55 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: Make sure you mark the bug against the ISO testing results in the QA tracker. | 15:55 |
| shadeslayer | sure | 15:55 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: Could you take care of sponsoring ximion? | 15:56 |
| shadeslayer | Altho, i did manage to boot it off a normal PC with a BIOS | 15:56 |
| shadeslayer | works just fine there | 15:56 |
| yofel | allee: | 16:09 |
| yofel | [ 10.727] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so | 16:09 |
| yofel | [ 10.816] (II) intel(0): [DRI2] DRI driver: i915 | 16:09 |
| yofel | [ 10.965] (II) AIGLX: Trying DRI driver /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri/i915_dri.so | 16:09 |
| yofel | and oneiric has | 16:10 |
| yofel | !info xserver-xorg-video-intel oneiric | 16:10 |
| ubottu | xserver-xorg-video-intel (source: xserver-xorg-video-intel): X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver. In component main, is optional. Version 2:2.15.901-1ubuntu2 (oneiric), package size 234 kB, installed size 972 kB (Only available for amd64 i386) | 16:10 |
| allee | yofel: strange I'm using intel too. but my output mesa output is completly different http://paste.ubuntu.com/704514/ | 16:24 |
| allee | seems to be that GL capabilities are strongly dependend some hw spec. support in kernelmod i915 | 16:25 |
| ximion | ScottK, Quintasan: Package is now available here: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/apper-1110081830/apper_0.7.0~20111008-0ubuntu1.dsc | 16:32 |
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| ScottK | ximion: What about the packagekit update? | 17:07 |
| ximion | ScottK: The PackageKit update is not necessary if apper is uploaded | 17:07 |
| ScottK | Ah. OK. | 17:07 |
| ximion | (then it would be stupid to ship a outdated lib) | 17:08 |
| ximion | the new PackageKit-Qt2 library is nearly twice as fast as the old one :) | 17:08 |
| ScottK | Nice. | 17:08 |
| ximion | Apper is noticeable faster than KPackageKit... | 17:09 |
| ScottK | That was definitely one of the points against it. | 17:09 |
| ximion | ScottK: theoretically, PK could be as fast as Synaptic, but the APT backend of PK is not in the best shape | 17:10 |
| ximion | and apt's api is just terrible... | 17:10 |
| ScottK | IIRC that was part of the motivation behind libqapt - to minimize the amount people had to deal with the apt API directly. | 17:11 |
| ximion | I talked with Richard Hughes about this issue at desktop summit and he showed me how the Zif backend works (Zif is a RPM package manager) | 17:11 |
| * yofel remembers JT saying something along those lines while writing libqtapt ^^ | 17:11 | |
| ximion | if it is possible for apt what he did with Zif, PK would be super-fast | 17:12 |
| ximion | I would like a API on top of APT which queries APT directly for apt-specifig operations (e.g. holding of packages) and PK for the rest | 17:15 |
| ximion | maybe write a small daemon for this | 17:15 |
| ximion | by doing it that way, we would only have to maintain one piece of terrible apt code | 17:16 |
| ximion | (the best option would be to replace aptdaemon with this api too) | 17:17 |
| ximion | I recently tested the PackageKit branch of the Ubuntu Software Center, and the native stuff is still faster, but APTcc becomes better with every release | 17:17 |
| ximion | :-) | 17:17 |
| yofel | I don't think slowness was the issue with kpackagekit, more that it simply didn't work right. | 17:21 |
| yofel | It doesn't really help if your update get's stuck somewhere in the middle | 17:21 |
| yofel | *gets | 17:21 |
| glatzor | ScottK, ximion: and that is why we use python-apt in aptdaemon | 17:29 |
| glatzor | ximion, aptdaemon will provide a more complete implementation of the packagekit api in P compared to the aptcc backend | 17:30 |
| glatzor | ximion, ScottK I am working on a compaitibility layer which provides the packagekit system dbus interface | 17:31 |
| ximion | glatzor: The only missing feature in aptcc is installation of local files at time, because apt doesn't support this... | 17:34 |
| ximion | juliank is working on this | 17:35 |
| ximion | aptdaemon can maybe cover more features of apt than PK can, but the implementation of PK's session bus is the same in GNOME-PackageKit/Apper and your implementation | 17:36 |
| glatzor | ximion, I am not talking about the session interface | 17:39 |
| glatzor | ximion, you can run apper/gpk-application with aptdaemon already | 17:39 |
| ximion | glatzor: oh, that's nice! :) | 17:40 |
| ximion | but what is missing in PK? | 17:40 |
| ximion | every feature is implemented | 17:40 |
| ximion | only the apt backend needs some love | 17:40 |
| ximion | is gpk-application faster with aptdaemon? | 17:42 |
| glatzor | ximion, I haven't made any profiling yet | 17:46 |
| ximion | ScottK: hmm, looks like Quintasan is missing... | 17:46 |
| ximion | glatzor: maybe I can do this later... | 17:46 |
| glatzor | ximion, It is not yet part of the main branch. | 17:47 |
| ximion | at time, aptcc is a little bit slower if you do many fast requests, e.g. fetching descriptions | 17:47 |
| ximion | this is because aptcc does not leave the cache open | 17:47 |
| ximion | PK has methods to handle opening/closing of caches | 17:47 |
| ximion | but aptcc does not use them (yet) | 17:48 |
| ximion | glatzor: okay | 17:48 |
| glatzor | ximion, how could pk help aptcc in handling its package cache? | 17:48 |
| ximion | at time I see aptdaemon as the Debian/Ubuntu-only variant of PackageKit, with less shared code and duplication of functionality, but as a good alternative to use until PK reaches APTd's functionality. | 17:49 |
| ximion | can you tell me something _only_ APTd can do? | 17:49 |
| ximion | glatzor: it just tells the backend when to open/close the cache | 17:50 |
| glatzor | ximion, in a first approach I even removed the need to queue query transaction (e.g. GetDetails). They could be processed before install/removal or even during an installation | 17:50 |
| ximion | via plugins the native tool like Synaptic can also interrupt PK and force it to unload the cache | 17:50 |
| ximion | sounds like PK's parallel-transactions... A feature I started which is now continued by richard | 17:51 |
| glatzor | ximion, metadata, plugins (was designed for automatically installing language packs), chaining of transactions, config file conflicts, terminal widget, hierachic policykit priviliges | 17:52 |
| glatzor | ans some more | 17:52 |
| ximion | glatzor: do you process all query transactions at once or do they just live in a queue which is executed in parallel to write transactions? | 17:52 |
| ximion | okay, I don't know what chaining pf transactions is... that one transaction can invoke another? | 17:53 |
| ximion | the terminal widget is impossible with hughsie | 17:53 |
| ximion | in his opinion showing a terminal is the UIs way of saying "I give up" | 17:53 |
| ximion | first I was against him, but now I think he's right | 17:53 |
| glatzor | ximion, it was in a separate but now they just get queued as the rest - apt doesn't support threading. So you have to lock access to cache internally | 17:57 |
| glatzor | ximion, depends on the use case. Could be true for Ubuntu but not for Debian. | 17:57 |
| yofel | no terminal is ok as long everything goes right, but when something goes wrong I don't know a GUI that handles the situation in a good way. | 17:57 |
| glatzor | ximion, I have to leave for dinner now. | 17:58 |
| yofel | for example: how does apper inform you that a package failed to install with an I/O error? | 17:58 |
| glatzor | ximion, I will write an email to the pk list in the next days with the current state and the plans for the future | 17:58 |
| ximion | glatzor: That would be nice! | 17:59 |
| ximion | although I am a PK guy, I would like to hear something about aptd | 18:00 |
| ximion | aptd shows what Debian wants | 18:00 |
| ximion | yofel: it shows an error dialog with the error message | 18:00 |
| yofel | the full message from dpkg? | 18:00 |
| yofel | then ok | 18:01 |
| ximion | not the full log, but the APT error | 18:02 |
| ximion | e.g. if there's a file conflict it shows which files conflict | 18:02 |
| yofel | problem is that *that* usually is something like "post-installation script failed with exit status 1" - which is useless with the error from dpkg | 18:02 |
| yofel | *without | 18:03 |
| ximion | yofel: maybe we can attach the full log... | 18:04 |
| ximion | or write a PK plugin which forwads the output (bad idea, but possible) | 18:04 |
| yofel | add a details view/tab that shows the actual dpkg output for that package (not the full log). That way people can get help on the error without having to look up files in /var/log/apt/ | 18:05 |
| yofel | bbl | 18:06 |
| ximion | bes way ist to never make it fail :D | 18:07 |
| Quintasan | ximion: I'm back | 18:16 |
| ximion | Quintasan: cool! Could you maybe take a look at the apper package and upload it if you find that the packaging is okay? | 18:24 |
| ximion | http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/apper-1110081830/apper_0.7.0~20111008-0ubuntu1.dsc | 18:24 |
| Quintasan | Uhh, ximion, what is that desktop.db in debian/ ? | 18:28 |
| * Quintasan has never seen this before | 18:28 | |
| Riddell | weird e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/131479/ | 18:28 |
| Quintasan | Ah | 18:29 |
| Quintasan | app metadata | 18:29 |
| Quintasan | ximion: Please file a bug with needs-packaging tag and give me the bug number, okay? | 18:30 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: ping | 18:30 |
| Quintasan | ximion: Or not. Wait a moment please | 18:30 |
| ximion | Quintasan: okay | 18:31 |
| ximion | I need to leave now, I'll be back late this evening | 18:31 |
| Quintasan | ximion: Apart from stuff like transitions, I believe a debug package would be appropriate | 18:31 |
| Quintasan | ximion: You have to add an entry in debian/control and then do override_dh_strip in debian/rules | 18:31 |
| ximion | Quintasan: Okay, I already did this for debconf-kde too | 18:32 |
| ximion | an I'll add an information that Apper breaks KPackageKit | 18:32 |
| Quintasan | I see | 18:32 |
| Quintasan | Well | 18:32 |
| Quintasan | ximion: We need Replaces, not breaks | 18:33 |
| Quintasan | and we needs transitional packages for smooth upgrade I believe | 18:33 |
| ximion | hmm... I really need to leave now... I will be back at 1:00 in the morning I guess... | 18:33 |
| Quintasan | but I am not sure about transitional packages | 18:33 |
| ximion | imo it's not necessary, but I'm not sure too | 18:34 |
| ximion | need to go... cu | 18:35 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: pong | 18:46 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: Needs packaging bug is totally optional. | 18:46 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: It should have transitional packages and Breaks/Replaces. | 18:47 |
| yofel | re | 19:02 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: whoa, you're dealing with a price there | 19:21 |
| shadeslayer | "Prince Cassim Adepegba" | 19:21 |
| ximion | ScottK: Should I add a transitional package for kpackagekit to the new apper pkg or should I just "break" the kpk package in the apper package? | 21:08 |
| ScottK | Both. The breaks needs to be versioned. | 21:08 |
| ximion | ScottK: okay - but if the pkg gets uploaded to Debian, I have to remove the transitional package again | 21:13 |
| ScottK | True. | 21:13 |
| ScottK | Most people would have it installed due to kubuntu-desktop anyway. | 21:13 |
| ScottK | So if it gets removed due to the upgrade and muon replaces it, that's not so bad. | 21:14 |
| ximion | Quintasan: new pkg ready. | 21:33 |
| ximion | do you have a bug number which this new package should close? | 21:33 |
| ximion | entering my Debian ITP there seems a bit weird :P | 21:33 |
| Quintasan | Nope, ScottK said it's not necessary | 21:33 |
| Quintasan | ximion: Did you upload to REVU | 21:34 |
| Quintasan | ? | 21:34 |
| ximion | yes, revu is processing it at time | 21:34 |
| ximion | http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/apper-1110081857/apper_0.7.0~20111008-0ubuntu1.dsc | 21:34 |
| ximion | Quintasan: ^ | 21:34 |
| ximion | it's uploaded, but not yet shown in the UI | 21:35 |
| ximion | Quintasan: evu processed the package now, you can download it, I think :) | 21:36 |
| ximion | I did not run an explicit upgrade-test, but this should work. it always worked like this before when I renamed a package :P | 21:37 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: fancy titles don't impress me | 21:45 |
| ximion | Quintasan: ping me, if you've any change/comment :) | 22:02 |
| Quintasan | Wait, waht | 22:03 |
| Quintasan | ximion: debian/control | 22:03 |
| Quintasan | no need for # Transitional dummy package | 22:03 |
| Quintasan | >Description: Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla - transitional package | 22:03 |
| Quintasan | How KPK is a web browser? | 22:04 |
| Quintasan | Replaces: oldname (<< 0.6.3.3-0ubuntu2~) | 22:04 |
| Quintasan | Breaks: oldname (<< 0.6.3.3-0ubuntu2~) | 22:04 |
| Quintasan | That would replace package "oldname" | 22:04 |
| Quintasan | !info kpackagekit | 22:05 |
| ubottu | kpackagekit (source: kpackagekit): KDE package management tool using PackageKit. In component main, is extra. Version 0.6.3.3-0ubuntu2 (natty), package size 475 kB, installed size 1688 kB | 22:05 |
| ximion | Quintasan: ? which version have you got? | 22:05 |
| ximion | one moment... | 22:05 |
| Quintasan | ximion: I was wondering what version of kpk do we have in natty | 22:06 |
| Quintasan | 0.6.3.3-0ubuntu2 | 22:06 |
| Quintasan | You have 0.6.3.3-0ubuntu2~ there so I don't think it will work | 22:06 |
| Quintasan | Section of kpackagekit transitional package should be "kde" | 22:07 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: IMHO apper should Depend on debconf-kde-helper | 22:07 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: If you say so. | 22:08 |
| * ScottK doesn't have time to sort out the details. | 22:08 | |
| ximion | Quintasan: Why should the section be kde? | 22:08 |
| Quintasan | ximion: Becasue it's a kde-related package? | 22:08 |
| ximion | if it is oldlibs, repo cleanup tools will suggest removing the transitional package | 22:08 |
| ximion | Quintasan: tools like deborphan (?) (don't know if this is the name of it) can delete transitional pkgs if they're marked as "oldlibs" | 22:10 |
| Quintasan | ximion: Hmm, that makes sense. Leave it in oldlibs then | 22:11 |
| ximion | also, shouldn't "0.6.3.3-0ubuntu2~" replace everything below 0.6.3.3-0ubuntu2 and all possible backports/fixes | 22:11 |
| Quintasan | Still the Description is wrong | 22:11 |
| Quintasan | and remove the comment please | 22:12 |
| ximion | please pull the package again from revu, looks like I uploaded crap last time :P | 22:12 |
| Quintasan | also move debconf-kde-helper to Depends | 22:12 |
| ximion | Quintasan: debconf-kde-helper is a tool which makes command-line applications of PackageKit, like "pkcon" show debconf kde dialogs | 22:12 |
| ximion | it is not required to run apper | 22:12 |
| ximion | (although it is useful) | 22:13 |
| ximion | apper embeds debconf dialogs directly and does not need to spawn an external application | 22:13 |
| Quintasan | ximion: Well, it is not but when you install some package using debconf and debconf-kde-helper is not installed then what happens? | 22:13 |
| ximion | Quintasan: If you install it via apper, a debconf-dialog is shown in Apper. If you install it via apt-get, a dialog is shown. If you install it via "pkcon", PackageKit will try the GNOME-dialogs and if this does not work set the debconf-frontend to passthrough | 22:14 |
| ximion | so the helper is only needed if a user uses PackageKit command line tools under KDE | 22:15 |
| Quintasan | Hmm. | 22:15 |
| Quintasan | Okay then, leave it as it is | 22:15 |
| ximion | Apper already depends on debconf-kde to embed debconf dialogs send by PackageKit | 22:15 |
| Quintasan | This looks sane to me | 22:15 |
| * ximion checks if revu pkg and local pkg are the same - just to be sure this time... | 22:16 | |
| ximion | Qintasan: good :) | 22:17 |
| ximion | (and the revu package really is the pkg I have here locally :P) | 22:17 |
| Quintasan | Let me pbuild it and see what lintian has to say | 22:18 |
| debfx | ximion: shouldn't apper break kpackagekit (<= 0.6.3.3-0ubuntu2)? | 22:19 |
| ximion | I hope it is just the warning about a missing manpage ^^ | 22:19 |
| ximion | debfx: I followed the usual instructions: http://wiki.debian.org/Renaming_a_Package | 22:20 |
| ximion | but <= would make sense to me too. | 22:20 |
| ximion | but "<<" also works | 22:20 |
| debfx | those instructions suggest << 0.7.0~20111008-0ubuntu1~ | 22:21 |
| ximion | (you can use dpkg --compare-versions to test it) | 22:21 |
| ximion | yep. | 22:21 |
| ximion | sh* | 22:21 |
| ximion | this happens if you go out of the pub and sit down on your computer right afterwards... | 22:22 |
| ximion | debfx: thank you for the attention! | 22:24 |
| Quintasan | yup, thanks debfx | 22:24 |
| ximion | I did this in a hurry before I left and simple forgot to be careful enough | 22:24 |
| Quintasan | ximion: Yeah, it complains about missing manpage and watch file | 22:25 |
| ximion | Quintasan: I fixed the version issue at revu now | 22:25 |
| ximion | okay, that's okay | 22:25 |
| ximion | :P | 22:25 |
| Quintasan | Well, it's not really okay but it's not an error | 22:25 |
| ximion | I will write a manpage later, if this is okay | 22:25 |
| Quintasan | Fair enough | 22:25 |
| ximion | most of the time packaging new software you write manpages :P | 22:26 |
| Quintasan | Not really, go ahead and package a library | 22:26 |
| ximion | I'll send one upstream soon, so this gets solved for everyone | 22:27 |
| ximion | Quintasan: like projectM? :D | 22:27 |
| ximion | this was my most complicated package. | 22:27 |
| ximion | now I am projectM upstream... | 22:27 |
| ximion | we apply over 15 patches to the source downstream to make the lib work somehow... | 22:27 |
| Quintasan | symbols etc. | 22:28 |
| Quintasan | maintaining that is a hell sometimes | 22:28 |
| ximion | or debconf-kde lib - the symbols file is evil :P | 22:28 |
| ximion | yes, exactly! | 22:28 |
| Quintasan | Uhh | 22:28 |
| Quintasan | ximion: Did you test apper? | 22:28 |
| Quintasan | http://wstaw.org/m/2011/10/09/plasma-desktopFd2079.jpg | 22:29 |
| ximion | Quintasan: yes, I'm using the git version here, but I also removed the git snapshot to test the package | 22:29 |
| ximion | works very well here | 22:29 |
| * debfx would think that being upstream helps pushing patches upstream ;) | 22:29 | |
| Quintasan | ximion: Look at the screenshot | 22:29 |
| ximion | very meaningful message... | 22:29 |
| ximion | do you get a nice terminal output? | 22:30 |
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| ximion | I guess it's a query to desktop.db | 22:30 |
| ximion | but then I wonder why I don't get this... | 22:30 |
| Quintasan | apper(24282)/kdecore (KLocale) KLocalizedStringPrivate::toString: Trying to convert empty KLocalizedString to QString. | 22:30 |
| Quintasan | apper(24282)/kdeui (KNotification) KNotificationManager::close: 3441 | 22:30 |
| Quintasan | apper(24282)/kdeui (KNotification) KNotificationManager::close: 3452 | 22:30 |
| ximion | Quintasan: works for me... => http://image-upload.de/image/WJVJD3/66e3595e77.png | 22:32 |
| Quintasan | Well, it doesn't work here | 22:33 |
| Quintasan | oneiric | 22:33 |
| ximion | what happens if you "sudo rm /usr/share/app-install/desktop.db" ? | 22:33 |
| ximion | oneiric too... | 22:33 |
| Quintasan | Let me rebuild it and reinstall | 22:33 |
| ximion | pleas etry to start it without desktop.db first :) | 22:34 |
| ximion | Quintasan: ^ | 22:34 |
| Quintasan | QSqlDatabasePrivate::database: unable to open database: "unable to open database file Error opening database" | 22:36 |
| Quintasan | QSqlQuery::prepare: database not open | 22:36 |
| ximion | Quintasan: as an error message? | 22:38 |
| ximion | because we can disable the desktop.db, if it causes problems... | 22:38 |
| * ximion has an idea | 22:38 | |
| Quintasan | ximion: konsole output when I try to double click a category | 22:38 |
| utusan | does frozen means kubuntu 11.10 comes out not with 4.7.2? | 22:55 |
| ximion | Quintasan: if you remove the "-DAPPINSTALL=true" line in debian/rules, does this remove the issue too? | 22:55 |
| Quintasan | ximion: No idea, how about you try that? | 22:56 |
| ximion | Quintasan: try it! :) | 22:56 |
| Quintasan | utusan: I believe it comes out with 4.7.1 but we will provide upgrade to 4.7.2 as soon as possible | 22:56 |
| ximion | Apper works like a charm here... | 22:56 |
| ScottK | utusan: Yes. We'll try to have it updated shortly after release. | 22:56 |
| utusan | Quintasan, thanks | 22:56 |
| ximion | if this flag is disabled, apper will loose it's application manager functionality. | 22:56 |
| ScottK | utusan: The kdepim related packages are updated though. | 22:56 |
| * ScottK slid those in. | 22:56 | |
| Quintasan | ximion: LOL | 22:59 |
| Quintasan | http://wstaw.org/m/2011/10/09/plasma-desktopYc2079.jpg | 22:59 |
| Quintasan | More categories somehow | 23:00 |
| ximion | it just stopped loading categories before... .P | 23:00 |
| ximion | but why does this work for me? | 23:00 |
| ximion | we're using exactly the same database... | 23:01 |
| Quintasan | I have absolutely no idea | 23:01 |
| utusan | ScottK, thanks. | 23:01 |
| Quintasan | ximion: I'm not really content with uploading apper like this | 23:01 |
| ximion | but better have an Apper without AppInstall support in oneiric than having no apper :P | 23:01 |
| ximion | Quintasan: does everything else work? | 23:02 |
| ximion | (it should work) | 23:02 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: Can you testbuild and install apper with the -DAPPINSTALL=true flag and report back if clicking on categories does yield http://wstaw.org/m/2011/10/09/plasma-desktopFd2079.jpg ? | 23:02 |
| ximion | this issue was the result of myself using a new script to generate desktop.db, because the old one was broken. | 23:02 |
| Quintasan | yofel: Same as above but without the -DAPPINSTALL=true flag | 23:02 |
| * ximion investigates the database and Apper code regarding AppInstall support | 23:03 | |
| Quintasan | ximion: Upgrading doesn't work here | 23:04 |
| ximion | :( | 23:04 |
| ximion | Quintasan: with which error? | 23:04 |
| * yofel dgets | 23:04 | |
| Quintasan | ximion: http://i.imgur.com/vhUD2.png | 23:06 |
| Quintasan | Details say | 23:06 |
| Quintasan | "couldn't find package" | 23:06 |
| Quintasan | Probably multi-arch magic | 23:06 |
| yofel | very detailed... | 23:06 |
| ximion | Quintasan: sorry, what do you mean with upgrading? Upgrading from kpackagekit -> apper or doing an upgrade using Apper which works with Synaptic? | 23:07 |
| Quintasan | Doing any upgrade with Apper | 23:07 |
| Quintasan | I don't care if it's working in Synaptic | 23:07 |
| ximion | Quintasan: *any*!? Does this include *updates*, meaning if no package gets removed? | 23:08 |
| * ximion wants dantti here | 23:08 | |
| yofel | lol, uploading screenshot | 23:08 |
| Quintasan | ximion: yes for Christ's sake, UPDATE did not work here | 23:08 |
| Quintasan | with this very detailed message | 23:09 |
| yofel | ximion: this is what apper looks like for me http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/apper.png | 23:09 |
| ximion | wow | 23:09 |
| Quintasan | yofel: kbuildsycoca4 | 23:09 |
| Quintasan | This shit is somehow a plague here too | 23:09 |
| yofel | ah, makes sense, trying again | 23:09 |
| ximion | Quintasan: is packagekit installed? | 23:10 |
| Quintasan | ximion: Are you seriously asking me this? | 23:10 |
| ximion | what happens if you run "pkmon" in a second terminal? | 23:10 |
| Quintasan | ximion: http://paste.kde.org/131533 | 23:10 |
| ximion | Quintasan: this is an expression of "I don't know why this stuff does not work" ^^ | 23:10 |
| yofel | next issue: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/apper1.png | 23:11 |
| yofel | I managed to open one category, now everyone fails | 23:11 |
| Quintasan | yofel: So you built it with -DAPPINSTALL=true, right? | 23:11 |
| Quintasan | This is broken then | 23:11 |
| yofel | Quintasan: ah no, I built the package | 23:11 |
| yofel | sry | 23:11 |
| Quintasan | yofel: No, no, it's good | 23:11 |
| Quintasan | the package from REVU has this flag | 23:12 |
| yofel | oh wait, I can open fonts | 23:12 |
| Quintasan | yofel: I could open them too, but nothing else | 23:12 |
| Quintasan | Building Apper without -DAPPINSTALL=true seems to be fixing the issue | 23:12 |
| yofel | and accessibility, those 2 work | 23:12 |
| yofel | wait... is packagekitd seriously taking like 2 _minutes_ to create the package DB o.O? | 23:13 |
| ximion | okay... => http://i.imgur.com/IAv5y.png | 23:14 |
| ximion | AppInstall is broken | 23:14 |
| yofel | on an intel i7 2.6GHz | 23:14 |
| ximion | at least with an updated desktop.db | 23:14 |
| ximion | using the db from natty would work... | 23:14 |
| Quintasan | ximion: That's not really a problem now, you know | 23:14 |
| Quintasan | How I am to upload a package manager that can't upgrade? | 23:14 |
| * yofel is still waiting for packagekitd to finish reading the package lists so he can try to update | 23:15 | |
| yofel | I think I remember now why I started hating packagekit at some point | 23:16 |
| ximion | yofel: that's weird - I never got any of these issues reported with GNOME-PackageKit... | 23:16 |
| ximion | so it is apper | 23:16 |
| yofel | well, the process that's using 100% CPU now for a while is packagekitd | 23:16 |
| ximion | Quintasan: right, if this won't work today, I hope dantti will show up tomorrow | 23:16 |
| yofel | 4816 root 20 0 258m 93m 41m S 97 1.2 3:37.71 /usr/lib/packagekit/packagekitd | 23:16 |
| ximion | yofel: kill it and try again :( | 23:17 |
| Quintasan | Well, either way ximion I'm heading to bed since I'm kinda tired | 23:17 |
| yofel | yay, it finished | 23:17 |
| Quintasan | Ahh governmental elections tomorrow | 23:17 |
| * Quintasan is getting to vote this year | 23:17 | |
| ximion | Quintasan: okay. thanks for your patience, I'll contact you tomorrow with a solution, I hope :P | 23:18 |
| yofel | ok, updating seems to work WITHOUT multiarch (I'm not using it) | 23:18 |
| Quintasan | That's the main problem then. | 23:18 |
| Quintasan | Quintasan::gotoBed(); | 23:18 |
| ximion | yofel, Quintasan: I use multiarch... and it works :P | 23:18 |
| ximion | PK itself supports multiarch | 23:19 |
| ximion | and apper should support it | 23:19 |
| yofel | ximion: even if you have package conflicts? because aptitude works with multiarch too - until you have a conflict | 23:19 |
| yofel | then it'll happily remove libc6 etc... | 23:19 |
| Quintasan | Well then, good night | 23:19 |
| yofel | gn | 23:19 |
| ximion | gn8 | 23:19 |
| ximion | yofel: aptcc, the apt backend of PK, is based on Synaptics code. So I guess it will suggest the same things :P | 23:20 |
| ximion | yofel: I uploaded a new pkg to revu, this one hould work now | 23:21 |
| ximion | but it does not solve the update issue | 23:21 |
| ximion | hmm, dantti said something about it | 23:21 |
| ximion | but he told be this bug was fixed... | 23:21 |
| ximion | bow! Muon is running amok... | 23:22 |
| Darkwing | Still no emails. | 23:22 |
| claydoh | Darkwing: kmail? | 23:27 |
| yofel | ximion: the last upload was supposed to fix... what? | 23:27 |
| ximion | yofel: the "invalid query" issues | 23:36 |
| yofel | what I get from http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=9295 doesn't fix it | 23:36 |
| ximion | okay, diabling the feature completely then | 23:37 |
| Darkwing | claydoh: No, my @ubuntu/@kubuntu forwards | 23:58 |
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