=== claydoh is now known as Guest24925 === Guest24925 is now known as claydoh [05:10] Anyone know anyone that works on teh @ubuntu and @kubuntu forwards with Launchpad? [05:17] ScottK: testing migration in kmail seems much much better since your last upload: the migrator still fails, but after delting kmail-migratorrc and runnng it --interactive it all was migrated successfully, 1 imap(gmail), 2 d-imap and one pop account all went smoothly!, [05:17] plus all my previous dimap cached messgaes were savded it theor own folders . [05:19] actually after running migrator manually, starting kmail prompted for the migrator again, which I rn just for fun, but it errored saying it had already been run. I closed it, then kmail opened to the well-migrated state. [05:20] so you got us somewhere ! No errror messages downloading mail, either [05:20] +1 [05:22] oops soory for draggin it on, but you do have to reload any folders with previous mails to have then show, which will obviously not be obvious to users [05:23] So KMail is fixed? [05:27] well mostly, filters are not migrated (but that is known) , and a previously fixed bug has re emerged (gotta get hte number, it is the one where you can't filter based on mailing list id [05:28] and I am awaiting spam to see if the spam filtering will move the junk mail to the junk folder [05:28] Darkwing: this is in a vm atm, for migration testing, I have a mostly working kmail setup from scratch for daily use [05:29] claydoh: Okay [05:29] gotta remember to not delte the spam when using my droid [05:29] :D [05:30] I'm having massive issues with my email.. [05:30] phone=timesucker lol [05:30] I changed primary email in launchpad and they stopped sending to my old but failed to start sending it to my new one. [05:30] Yeah, it is. I love my galaxy s though. [05:31] Darkwing: yeah, in mine, there are errors everywhere on one account, and often massive dupes on another, [05:32] wish I could have one of those, have a droid charge, samsung and amoled screen goodness so far, for this phone noob [05:32] VZW? [05:32] yeah [05:33] :D I wanted a charge but all I could afford was a Fascinate. (Galaxy S) [05:34] lol same here, but amazon had a penny sale on everything but the newest (bionic) plus a 50 buck gift card, so i get paid for the phone lol [05:35] lol [05:35] the wife has a fascinate, I am not allowed to touch it [05:35] :D I rooted mine and am running CyanogenMod7 on it. [05:36] I rooted mine this past monday, just running a leaked vzw gingerbread [05:36] I lasted one week before rooting [05:37] I actually like the touchwhiz, tho have not played enough with any other launchers [05:38] gingerbread means front cam with skype/google [05:38] Yup. [05:38] I've been running gingerbrad for a while. Had the first Droid and have been running GB on it since Google opened the souce. [05:41] I am getting decent battery life, though i can't really use it too much when I at work, so I get a full day before charging [05:42] I normally keep it plugged into my computer so, I think that UDS will be my first real test on batt life. [05:43] I hope there is 4g there, that would be nice [05:43] just to see [05:44] You don't have 4g where you are? [05:44] nope [05:45] I don't know if there is any 4g in Maine [05:46] Ahhh, fun. [05:53] no, but in reality, the 3g is almost as fast as te dsl I had not too long ago :) [10:00] morning [10:05] moin moin :) === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === yofel_ is now known as yofel [10:16] o/ [10:29] * yofel goes reinstalling oneiric on his thinkpad [10:29] might as well make an iso test while I'm at it [10:52] bulldog98_: btw. does gles work on your eeePC? Doesn't work on mine [11:18] yofel: never tested that [11:18] for me kwin says "incomplete GLES support" and disables compositing === bulldog98_ is now known as bulldog98 [11:23] mgraesslin: do you know if kwin is supposed to work with MESA 7.11 GLES on intel? I'm getting http://paste.kde.org/131347 [11:24] yofel: no idea, have never seen that [11:24] seems to be inside the mesa library [11:24] k, thanks [12:36] yofel: is this the inofficial i915g. In this case opengl 2.0 was reached annouced yesterday: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Phoronix/~3/G9XiSH1DxiE/vr.php [12:37] *shrug* - it's whatever driver we have in the oneiric archive [12:38] oh, I was guessing due to word gallium in your output: 'OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on i915 (chipset: 945GME)' [13:08] apachelogger: ping pin [13:08] g [13:10] hey guys [13:11] i made the cd cover for oneirc [13:11] where to upload it? [13:32] ScottK: so, the append failed messages are back in kmail, assuming they never left [13:32] on d-imap [13:36] http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/5996/front2kf.jpg [13:37] Hi the pre rc iso for testing ... does it include KDE SC 4.7.2? [13:41] sheytan: Is the cd cover such a secret that it has to be kept private? [13:42] GirlyGirl: why? Did i hide it somehow? [13:44] sheytan: Clicking it gives me http://imageshack.us/img/blocked_login.jpg [13:44] GirlyGirl: well, not for me and others :) [13:45] sheytan: Wow rekonq does that , opera shows it :d [13:45] sheytan: nice cover btw [13:46] GirlyGirl: thank you :) [13:47] sheytan: What did you use for that ... Gimp , inkscape [13:47] GirlyGirl: both :) === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech [14:59] sheytan: cool cover! [15:04] yofel: I'm curious what driver it is. On your eeepc grep drivers/ /var/log/Xorg.0.log [15:07] hi there! Could someone upload the Apper package to Ubuntu? [15:28] ScottK: ping [15:31] claydoh: I don't think they did. [15:31] ximion: pong [15:32] claydoh: Great news on the migration. [15:33] ScottK: Mac ISO still doesn't boot and i think its because the kernel doesn't properly pick up the HDD [15:34] someone was working on that iirc [15:34] ScottK: I don't think we will have an Apper release in time, so is it okay if I package a Git snapshot of Apper? [15:35] The tools is very stable and I fixed some last issues upstream [15:35] ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/782389/comments/21 [15:35] Ubuntu bug 782389 in linux (Ubuntu) "DVD drive doesn't work on MacBookPro8,2" [Undecided,Confirmed] [15:35] the bug mentioned by dantti last time has also been fixed last night [15:50] ScottK: just wish we could suppress the error messages, the imap seems to work despite the error, [15:51] I wonder why it is on one mail server (my webhost) and not gmail [15:55] claydoh: I've tried to trace where they are coming from and didn't find it yet. [15:55] ximion: Yes. [15:55] shadeslayer: Make sure you mark the bug against the ISO testing results in the QA tracker. [15:55] sure [15:56] Quintasan: Could you take care of sponsoring ximion? [15:56] Altho, i did manage to boot it off a normal PC with a BIOS [15:56] works just fine there [16:09] allee: [16:09] [ 10.727] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so [16:09] [ 10.816] (II) intel(0): [DRI2] DRI driver: i915 [16:09] [ 10.965] (II) AIGLX: Trying DRI driver /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri/i915_dri.so [16:10] and oneiric has [16:10] !info xserver-xorg-video-intel oneiric [16:10] xserver-xorg-video-intel (source: xserver-xorg-video-intel): X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver. In component main, is optional. Version 2:2.15.901-1ubuntu2 (oneiric), package size 234 kB, installed size 972 kB (Only available for amd64 i386) [16:24] yofel: strange I'm using intel too. but my output mesa output is completly different http://paste.ubuntu.com/704514/ [16:25] seems to be that GL capabilities are strongly dependend some hw spec. support in kernelmod i915 [16:32] ScottK, Quintasan: Package is now available here: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/apper-1110081830/apper_0.7.0~20111008-0ubuntu1.dsc === claydoh is now known as claydroid [17:07] ximion: What about the packagekit update? [17:07] ScottK: The PackageKit update is not necessary if apper is uploaded [17:07] Ah. OK. [17:08] (then it would be stupid to ship a outdated lib) [17:08] the new PackageKit-Qt2 library is nearly twice as fast as the old one :) [17:08] Nice. [17:09] Apper is noticeable faster than KPackageKit... [17:09] That was definitely one of the points against it. [17:10] ScottK: theoretically, PK could be as fast as Synaptic, but the APT backend of PK is not in the best shape [17:10] and apt's api is just terrible... [17:11] IIRC that was part of the motivation behind libqapt - to minimize the amount people had to deal with the apt API directly. [17:11] I talked with Richard Hughes about this issue at desktop summit and he showed me how the Zif backend works (Zif is a RPM package manager) [17:11] * yofel remembers JT saying something along those lines while writing libqtapt ^^ [17:12] if it is possible for apt what he did with Zif, PK would be super-fast [17:15] I would like a API on top of APT which queries APT directly for apt-specifig operations (e.g. holding of packages) and PK for the rest [17:15] maybe write a small daemon for this [17:16] by doing it that way, we would only have to maintain one piece of terrible apt code [17:17] (the best option would be to replace aptdaemon with this api too) [17:17] I recently tested the PackageKit branch of the Ubuntu Software Center, and the native stuff is still faster, but APTcc becomes better with every release [17:17] :-) [17:21] I don't think slowness was the issue with kpackagekit, more that it simply didn't work right. [17:21] It doesn't really help if your update get's stuck somewhere in the middle [17:21] *gets [17:29] ScottK, ximion: and that is why we use python-apt in aptdaemon [17:30] ximion, aptdaemon will provide a more complete implementation of the packagekit api in P compared to the aptcc backend [17:31] ximion, ScottK I am working on a compaitibility layer which provides the packagekit system dbus interface [17:34] glatzor: The only missing feature in aptcc is installation of local files at time, because apt doesn't support this... [17:35] juliank is working on this [17:36] aptdaemon can maybe cover more features of apt than PK can, but the implementation of PK's session bus is the same in GNOME-PackageKit/Apper and your implementation [17:39] ximion, I am not talking about the session interface [17:39] ximion, you can run apper/gpk-application with aptdaemon already [17:40] glatzor: oh, that's nice! :) [17:40] but what is missing in PK? [17:40] every feature is implemented [17:40] only the apt backend needs some love [17:42] is gpk-application faster with aptdaemon? [17:46] ximion, I haven't made any profiling yet [17:46] ScottK: hmm, looks like Quintasan is missing... [17:46] glatzor: maybe I can do this later... [17:47] ximion, It is not yet part of the main branch. [17:47] at time, aptcc is a little bit slower if you do many fast requests, e.g. fetching descriptions [17:47] this is because aptcc does not leave the cache open [17:47] PK has methods to handle opening/closing of caches [17:48] but aptcc does not use them (yet) [17:48] glatzor: okay [17:48] ximion, how could pk help aptcc in handling its package cache? [17:49] at time I see aptdaemon as the Debian/Ubuntu-only variant of PackageKit, with less shared code and duplication of functionality, but as a good alternative to use until PK reaches APTd's functionality. [17:49] can you tell me something _only_ APTd can do? [17:50] glatzor: it just tells the backend when to open/close the cache [17:50] ximion, in a first approach I even removed the need to queue query transaction (e.g. GetDetails). They could be processed before install/removal or even during an installation [17:50] via plugins the native tool like Synaptic can also interrupt PK and force it to unload the cache [17:51] sounds like PK's parallel-transactions... A feature I started which is now continued by richard [17:52] ximion, metadata, plugins (was designed for automatically installing language packs), chaining of transactions, config file conflicts, terminal widget, hierachic policykit priviliges [17:52] ans some more [17:52] glatzor: do you process all query transactions at once or do they just live in a queue which is executed in parallel to write transactions? [17:53] okay, I don't know what chaining pf transactions is... that one transaction can invoke another? [17:53] the terminal widget is impossible with hughsie [17:53] in his opinion showing a terminal is the UIs way of saying "I give up" [17:53] first I was against him, but now I think he's right [17:57] ximion, it was in a separate but now they just get queued as the rest - apt doesn't support threading. So you have to lock access to cache internally [17:57] ximion, depends on the use case. Could be true for Ubuntu but not for Debian. [17:57] no terminal is ok as long everything goes right, but when something goes wrong I don't know a GUI that handles the situation in a good way. [17:58] ximion, I have to leave for dinner now. [17:58] for example: how does apper inform you that a package failed to install with an I/O error? [17:58] ximion, I will write an email to the pk list in the next days with the current state and the plans for the future [17:59] glatzor: That would be nice! [18:00] although I am a PK guy, I would like to hear something about aptd [18:00] aptd shows what Debian wants [18:00] yofel: it shows an error dialog with the error message [18:00] the full message from dpkg? [18:01] then ok [18:02] not the full log, but the APT error [18:02] e.g. if there's a file conflict it shows which files conflict [18:02] problem is that *that* usually is something like "post-installation script failed with exit status 1" - which is useless with the error from dpkg [18:03] *without [18:04] yofel: maybe we can attach the full log... [18:04] or write a PK plugin which forwads the output (bad idea, but possible) [18:05] add a details view/tab that shows the actual dpkg output for that package (not the full log). That way people can get help on the error without having to look up files in /var/log/apt/ [18:06] bbl [18:07] bes way ist to never make it fail :D [18:16] ximion: I'm back [18:24] Quintasan: cool! Could you maybe take a look at the apper package and upload it if you find that the packaging is okay? [18:24] http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/apper-1110081830/apper_0.7.0~20111008-0ubuntu1.dsc [18:28] Uhh, ximion, what is that desktop.db in debian/ ? [18:28] * Quintasan has never seen this before [18:28] weird e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/131479/ [18:29] Ah [18:29] app metadata [18:30] ximion: Please file a bug with needs-packaging tag and give me the bug number, okay? [18:30] ScottK: ping [18:30] ximion: Or not. Wait a moment please [18:31] Quintasan: okay [18:31] I need to leave now, I'll be back late this evening [18:31] ximion: Apart from stuff like transitions, I believe a debug package would be appropriate [18:31] ximion: You have to add an entry in debian/control and then do override_dh_strip in debian/rules [18:32] Quintasan: Okay, I already did this for debconf-kde too [18:32] an I'll add an information that Apper breaks KPackageKit [18:32] I see [18:32] Well [18:33] ximion: We need Replaces, not breaks [18:33] and we needs transitional packages for smooth upgrade I believe [18:33] hmm... I really need to leave now... I will be back at 1:00 in the morning I guess... [18:33] but I am not sure about transitional packages [18:34] imo it's not necessary, but I'm not sure too [18:35] need to go... cu [18:46] Quintasan: pong [18:46] Quintasan: Needs packaging bug is totally optional. [18:47] Quintasan: It should have transitional packages and Breaks/Replaces. [19:02] re [19:21] Riddell: whoa, you're dealing with a price there [19:21] "Prince Cassim Adepegba" [21:08] ScottK: Should I add a transitional package for kpackagekit to the new apper pkg or should I just "break" the kpk package in the apper package? [21:08] Both. The breaks needs to be versioned. [21:13] ScottK: okay - but if the pkg gets uploaded to Debian, I have to remove the transitional package again [21:13] True. [21:13] Most people would have it installed due to kubuntu-desktop anyway. [21:14] So if it gets removed due to the upgrade and muon replaces it, that's not so bad. [21:33] Quintasan: new pkg ready. [21:33] do you have a bug number which this new package should close? [21:33] entering my Debian ITP there seems a bit weird :P [21:33] Nope, ScottK said it's not necessary [21:34] ximion: Did you upload to REVU [21:34] ? [21:34] yes, revu is processing it at time [21:34] http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/apper-1110081857/apper_0.7.0~20111008-0ubuntu1.dsc [21:34] Quintasan: ^ [21:35] it's uploaded, but not yet shown in the UI [21:36] Quintasan: evu processed the package now, you can download it, I think :) [21:37] I did not run an explicit upgrade-test, but this should work. it always worked like this before when I renamed a package :P [21:45] shadeslayer: fancy titles don't impress me [22:02] Quintasan: ping me, if you've any change/comment :) [22:03] Wait, waht [22:03] ximion: debian/control [22:03] no need for # Transitional dummy package [22:03] >Description: Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla - transitional package [22:04] How KPK is a web browser? [22:04] Replaces: oldname (<< 0.6.3.3-0ubuntu2~) [22:04] Breaks: oldname (<< 0.6.3.3-0ubuntu2~) [22:04] That would replace package "oldname" [22:05] !info kpackagekit [22:05] kpackagekit (source: kpackagekit): KDE package management tool using PackageKit. In component main, is extra. Version 0.6.3.3-0ubuntu2 (natty), package size 475 kB, installed size 1688 kB [22:05] Quintasan: ? which version have you got? [22:05] one moment... [22:06] ximion: I was wondering what version of kpk do we have in natty [22:06] 0.6.3.3-0ubuntu2 [22:06] You have 0.6.3.3-0ubuntu2~ there so I don't think it will work [22:07] Section of kpackagekit transitional package should be "kde" [22:07] ScottK: IMHO apper should Depend on debconf-kde-helper [22:08] Quintasan: If you say so. [22:08] * ScottK doesn't have time to sort out the details. [22:08] Quintasan: Why should the section be kde? [22:08] ximion: Becasue it's a kde-related package? [22:08] if it is oldlibs, repo cleanup tools will suggest removing the transitional package [22:10] Quintasan: tools like deborphan (?) (don't know if this is the name of it) can delete transitional pkgs if they're marked as "oldlibs" [22:11] ximion: Hmm, that makes sense. Leave it in oldlibs then [22:11] also, shouldn't "0.6.3.3-0ubuntu2~" replace everything below 0.6.3.3-0ubuntu2 and all possible backports/fixes [22:11] Still the Description is wrong [22:12] and remove the comment please [22:12] please pull the package again from revu, looks like I uploaded crap last time :P [22:12] also move debconf-kde-helper to Depends [22:12] Quintasan: debconf-kde-helper is a tool which makes command-line applications of PackageKit, like "pkcon" show debconf kde dialogs [22:12] it is not required to run apper [22:13] (although it is useful) [22:13] apper embeds debconf dialogs directly and does not need to spawn an external application [22:13] ximion: Well, it is not but when you install some package using debconf and debconf-kde-helper is not installed then what happens? [22:14] Quintasan: If you install it via apper, a debconf-dialog is shown in Apper. If you install it via apt-get, a dialog is shown. If you install it via "pkcon", PackageKit will try the GNOME-dialogs and if this does not work set the debconf-frontend to passthrough [22:15] so the helper is only needed if a user uses PackageKit command line tools under KDE [22:15] Hmm. [22:15] Okay then, leave it as it is [22:15] Apper already depends on debconf-kde to embed debconf dialogs send by PackageKit [22:15] This looks sane to me [22:16] * ximion checks if revu pkg and local pkg are the same - just to be sure this time... [22:17] Qintasan: good :) [22:17] (and the revu package really is the pkg I have here locally :P) [22:18] Let me pbuild it and see what lintian has to say [22:19] ximion: shouldn't apper break kpackagekit (<= 0.6.3.3-0ubuntu2)? [22:19] I hope it is just the warning about a missing manpage ^^ [22:20] debfx: I followed the usual instructions: http://wiki.debian.org/Renaming_a_Package [22:20] but <= would make sense to me too. [22:20] but "<<" also works [22:21] those instructions suggest << 0.7.0~20111008-0ubuntu1~ [22:21] (you can use dpkg --compare-versions to test it) [22:21] yep. [22:21] sh* [22:22] this happens if you go out of the pub and sit down on your computer right afterwards... [22:24] debfx: thank you for the attention! [22:24] yup, thanks debfx [22:24] I did this in a hurry before I left and simple forgot to be careful enough [22:25] ximion: Yeah, it complains about missing manpage and watch file [22:25] Quintasan: I fixed the version issue at revu now [22:25] okay, that's okay [22:25] :P [22:25] Well, it's not really okay but it's not an error [22:25] I will write a manpage later, if this is okay [22:25] Fair enough [22:26] most of the time packaging new software you write manpages :P [22:26] Not really, go ahead and package a library [22:27] I'll send one upstream soon, so this gets solved for everyone [22:27] Quintasan: like projectM? :D [22:27] this was my most complicated package. [22:27] now I am projectM upstream... [22:27] we apply over 15 patches to the source downstream to make the lib work somehow... [22:28] symbols etc. [22:28] maintaining that is a hell sometimes [22:28] or debconf-kde lib - the symbols file is evil :P [22:28] yes, exactly! [22:28] Uhh [22:28] ximion: Did you test apper? [22:29] http://wstaw.org/m/2011/10/09/plasma-desktopFd2079.jpg [22:29] Quintasan: yes, I'm using the git version here, but I also removed the git snapshot to test the package [22:29] works very well here [22:29] * debfx would think that being upstream helps pushing patches upstream ;) [22:29] ximion: Look at the screenshot [22:29] very meaningful message... [22:30] do you get a nice terminal output? === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech [22:30] I guess it's a query to desktop.db [22:30] but then I wonder why I don't get this... [22:30] apper(24282)/kdecore (KLocale) KLocalizedStringPrivate::toString: Trying to convert empty KLocalizedString to QString. [22:30] apper(24282)/kdeui (KNotification) KNotificationManager::close: 3441 [22:30] apper(24282)/kdeui (KNotification) KNotificationManager::close: 3452 [22:32] Quintasan: works for me... => http://image-upload.de/image/WJVJD3/66e3595e77.png [22:33] Well, it doesn't work here [22:33] oneiric [22:33] what happens if you "sudo rm /usr/share/app-install/desktop.db" ? [22:33] oneiric too... [22:33] Let me rebuild it and reinstall [22:34] pleas etry to start it without desktop.db first :) [22:34] Quintasan: ^ [22:36] QSqlDatabasePrivate::database: unable to open database: "unable to open database file Error opening database" [22:36] QSqlQuery::prepare: database not open [22:38] Quintasan: as an error message? [22:38] because we can disable the desktop.db, if it causes problems... [22:38] * ximion has an idea [22:38] ximion: konsole output when I try to double click a category [22:55] does frozen means kubuntu 11.10 comes out not with 4.7.2? [22:55] Quintasan: if you remove the "-DAPPINSTALL=true" line in debian/rules, does this remove the issue too? [22:56] ximion: No idea, how about you try that? [22:56] Quintasan: try it! :) [22:56] utusan: I believe it comes out with 4.7.1 but we will provide upgrade to 4.7.2 as soon as possible [22:56] Apper works like a charm here... [22:56] utusan: Yes. We'll try to have it updated shortly after release. [22:56] Quintasan, thanks [22:56] if this flag is disabled, apper will loose it's application manager functionality. [22:56] utusan: The kdepim related packages are updated though. [22:56] * ScottK slid those in. [22:59] ximion: LOL [22:59] http://wstaw.org/m/2011/10/09/plasma-desktopYc2079.jpg [23:00] More categories somehow [23:00] it just stopped loading categories before... .P [23:00] but why does this work for me? [23:01] we're using exactly the same database... [23:01] I have absolutely no idea [23:01] ScottK, thanks. [23:01] ximion: I'm not really content with uploading apper like this [23:01] but better have an Apper without AppInstall support in oneiric than having no apper :P [23:02] Quintasan: does everything else work? [23:02] (it should work) [23:02] shadeslayer: Can you testbuild and install apper with the -DAPPINSTALL=true flag and report back if clicking on categories does yield http://wstaw.org/m/2011/10/09/plasma-desktopFd2079.jpg ? [23:02] this issue was the result of myself using a new script to generate desktop.db, because the old one was broken. [23:02] yofel: Same as above but without the -DAPPINSTALL=true flag [23:03] * ximion investigates the database and Apper code regarding AppInstall support [23:04] ximion: Upgrading doesn't work here [23:04] :( [23:04] Quintasan: with which error? [23:04] * yofel dgets [23:06] ximion: http://i.imgur.com/vhUD2.png [23:06] Details say [23:06] "couldn't find package" [23:06] Probably multi-arch magic [23:06] very detailed... [23:07] Quintasan: sorry, what do you mean with upgrading? Upgrading from kpackagekit -> apper or doing an upgrade using Apper which works with Synaptic? [23:07] Doing any upgrade with Apper [23:07] I don't care if it's working in Synaptic [23:08] Quintasan: *any*!? Does this include *updates*, meaning if no package gets removed? [23:08] * ximion wants dantti here [23:08] lol, uploading screenshot [23:08] ximion: yes for Christ's sake, UPDATE did not work here [23:09] with this very detailed message [23:09] ximion: this is what apper looks like for me http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/apper.png [23:09] wow [23:09] yofel: kbuildsycoca4 [23:09] This shit is somehow a plague here too [23:09] ah, makes sense, trying again [23:10] Quintasan: is packagekit installed? [23:10] ximion: Are you seriously asking me this? [23:10] what happens if you run "pkmon" in a second terminal? [23:10] ximion: http://paste.kde.org/131533 [23:10] Quintasan: this is an expression of "I don't know why this stuff does not work" ^^ [23:11] next issue: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/apper1.png [23:11] I managed to open one category, now everyone fails [23:11] yofel: So you built it with -DAPPINSTALL=true, right? [23:11] This is broken then [23:11] Quintasan: ah no, I built the package [23:11] sry [23:11] yofel: No, no, it's good [23:12] the package from REVU has this flag [23:12] oh wait, I can open fonts [23:12] yofel: I could open them too, but nothing else [23:12] Building Apper without -DAPPINSTALL=true seems to be fixing the issue [23:12] and accessibility, those 2 work [23:13] wait... is packagekitd seriously taking like 2 _minutes_ to create the package DB o.O? [23:14] okay... => http://i.imgur.com/IAv5y.png [23:14] AppInstall is broken [23:14]