[00:14] <toyowheelin> anyone remember how to check which version of kubuntu you are running
[00:15] <toyowheelin> somee terminal command
[00:16] <toyowheelin> oh wait I found it
[00:16] <toyowheelin> lsb_release -r
[00:20] <toyowheelin> not a whole lot of talk in here
[00:20] <bazhang> its the support channel, thats probably why
[00:20] <toyowheelin> oh
[00:21] <bazhang> you might want to try the various -offtopic channels for chit chat
[00:21] <toyowheelin> ah thanks
[00:21] <bazhang> xubuntu ubuntu lubuntu kubuntu-offtopic
[01:41] <semitones> hey, i newly installed kubuntu, and one annoyance I've found so far is that if I'm downloading something in chromium, if the screensaver comes on, and I have to log back in, the download is "interrupted" and I can't resume. What's going on? Can I still have a blank screen after some period of time without interrupting the functions of the computer?
[02:13] <ssfdre38> is the 11.10 on RC now or no?
[02:15] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: not that I've heard... but it's so close to release that it should be
[02:15] <ssfdre38> well i looked on the wiki a week ago and it said that there will be one yesterday but today it got deleted
[02:16] <toyowheelin> :/
[02:16] <ssfdre38> i was going to do a video on it
[02:17] <ssfdre38> guess i have to wait till thursday or friday to do it
[02:18] <SIR_Taco> because?
[02:18] <Guest25031> hi
[02:19] <ssfdre38> there is no RC for 11.10
[02:20] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: I guess it depends on what you want to cover in your video. But the (major) updates have slowed down in the last few weeks, and it seems more upkeep now
[02:21] <ssfdre38> for me its first looks on the new features
[02:23] <toyowheelin> hmm yeah its odd that the beta 2 is still all you can download
[02:23] <SIR_Taco> well at the moment it's sitting at KDE 4.7.1 (if the looks are what you're after)
[02:23] <ssfdre38> i know and i have beta2 and did a ubuntu first look i was going to do a RC first look on Kubuntu
[02:24] <avihay> semitones: that sounds wired. screen saver doesn't force me to log in every time, unless I unable a feature called screen lock, and even then, it doesn't log me out of my session. sounds like either the screen saver somehow crashes x when you leave it (not likely) or your computer goes into some sort of suspend mode and logs you off.
[02:25] <semitones> ok. I'm very new to kubuntu settings, so where would I find those types of options?
[02:25] <SIR_Taco> sorry... 4.7.2
[02:26] <avihay> ok, you find them all in the setting manager, under display->screensaver and under power managment
[02:27] <SIR_Taco> looks as though they're trying to rush a KDE version into 11.10 ;)
[02:28] <avihay> let;s have a look at the screen-saver crashing X theory
[02:33] <semitones> how should we look at that
[02:34] <SIR_Taco> angily I would imagine
[02:34] <semitones> I do have lock screen on resume
[02:35] <SIR_Taco> semitones: is it sleeping and/or hibernating?
[02:36] <semitones> i don't think so. in gnome, if my computer slept, it usually would not wake up
[02:36] <semitones> so to speak
[02:37] <SIR_Taco> ok... are you using Gnome or KDE?
[02:37] <avihay> you can test the screen saver, is require password after: ticked? if so, remove the tick, and press test, hit a key, then readd the tick and press test, otherwise, just test
[02:38] <semitones> ok i'll give that a shot
[02:38] <avihay> I'd be happy if tasco will take over, I wanna try to sleep a little extra
[02:38] <semitones> hhehe, no worries here :) thanks
[02:38] <SIR_Taco> avihay: me too... but I'll take over I guess haha
[02:39] <avihay> onle selept for three hours... :-<
[02:39] <avihay> slept
[02:40] <SIR_Taco> you don't want to know what I do... lol
[02:40] <SIR_Taco> avihay: go to bed
[02:40] <semitones> night night
[02:41] <avihay> I am, but I set up notifications so that the computer reads messages addressed to me out loud, computer too close to bed...
[02:42] <SIR_Taco> haha
[02:44] <SIR_Taco> semitones: anyway.... it sounds like, if chrome quits/suspends downloads when you're away from your computer, you're going into sleep or hibernation mode (ie chrome is suspended and/or can't write to disk)
[02:45] <semitones> then maybe it is going into sleep mode, but if so, 1. Sleep Works (hooray!) and 2. Some setting not in power management is causing it to sleep.
[02:46] <SIR_Taco> do the fans in your tower turn off?
[02:49] <semitones> it is a laptop. I don't know if they do or not, hang on (i have screensaver set to 1 minute now.)
[02:49] <SIR_Taco> ok
[02:54] <SIR_Taco> semitones: no stop of the download(s)?
[02:58] <semitones> the fans don't stop, neither does the screen turn off, it just goes black
[02:58] <semitones> I'll try downloading soemthing again
[02:59] <semitones> alright i'll let it sleep
[03:01] <SIR_Taco> how long did you leave it before when you came back to see your downloads stopped?
[03:04] <semitones> maybe 10 minutes
[03:04] <semitones> the plug was unplugged though, i also had screen lock enabled, which I don't anymore
[03:07] <SIR_Taco> screen lock shouldn't have anything to do with it. But having the power cable unplugged will put the laptop into a different power profile and it likely went to sleep/hibernate
[03:07] <SIR_Taco> by default that is
[03:07] <semitones> ok that makes sense. thanks for your help :)
[03:07] <SIR_Taco> semitones: not a problem
[03:07] <semitones> also do you know how to make screen edges turn off the screen?
[03:08] <semitones> I don't see that as an option under the screen edge settings
[03:10] <SIR_Taco> go to the K menu ->  Computer -> System Settings -> Workspace Behaviour -> Screen Edges... click the edge you want and select the action you want
[03:12] <SIR_Taco> if you set it to 'lock screen' it should turn off the screen in a couple minutes
[05:15] <tomas__> Hello, can someone help me with a problem installing Kubuntu 11.04?
[05:22] <tomas__> Hi, g0rs, my problem is I get to 75% install then an error saying "An error occured while removing packages, the following packages are broken: " then a blank list, and installation freezes
[05:27] <tomas__> Ack, sorry the installer rebooted me
[05:33] <g0rs> tomas__: no problem
[05:34] <g0rs> tomas__: are you installing with a cd or via usb or ftp?
[05:34] <tomas__> When it did reboot, I got a grub error 15.... and I thought this was going to be simpler than gentoo....
[05:34] <tomas__> CD
[05:35] <g0rs> tomas__: it is very simple, perhahs its a cd issue? is it a good idea to burn the image on a usb drive and install everything via usb? i did install with usb.
[05:36] <tomas__> Hmmm.... don't have one handy.
[05:36] <tomas__> ^The CD checks out ok.... this is weird
[05:36] <g0rs> tomas__: do you have network access ?
[05:37] <tomas__> To what exactly?
[05:38] <g0rs> tomas__: i dont know if its a package issue or if the cd was not burned correctly.  perhaps you can try buring a minimal image and installing everything via your LAN
[05:39] <tomas__> Hmmm... i'll check it out, thanks
[05:39] <g0rs> tomas__: probably that would be the easiest instead of finding out whats wrong with your current approach
[05:39] <tomas__> cool man
[05:52] <phoenix_firebrd> Need help regarding regarding nepomuk/strigi
[05:57] <claydoh> phoenix_firebrd: ask away
[05:59] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh:  left my pc ON for the whole night for strigi to index my file on the morning , i saw it was crashed, i saw a bug report regarding it previously, is the problem fixed or is there a workaround
[05:59] <claydoh> dunno, what bug report?
[06:01] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: i think this a similar one, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=276306
[06:03] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: do you use strigi to index files?
[06:04] <claydoh> no, though I have had it enabled at times.
[06:06] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: any solution
[06:08] <claydoh> phoenix_firebrd: which version KDE? This issue from digging through all the duplicate reports may be fixed in 4.7 ( so natty or oneiric)
[06:09] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: sorry , forgot to tell you, i am using kubuntu 11.10 beta 2 with kde 4.7.1
[06:11] <claydoh> ditto here, I don't have the issue here. Perhaps for the initial index, let it stay awake maybe? iirc once the major indexing is done, it doesn't have to run constantly
[06:11] <claydoh> I can
[06:12] <claydoh> I can't get it to crash here on one of my systems , but it really hasn't run long enough
[06:12] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: Are you trueg ?
[06:13] <claydoh> lol no
[06:13] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: ok
[06:13] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: that fellow told the same thing in a post, i agree with that, its just this one bug
[06:17] <claydoh> hard to track if it is hard to reproduce :(
[06:19] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: ya
[06:21] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: the update-apt-xapi , takes a lot of cpu and sometime, the system hangs, any solution?
[06:22] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: update-apt-xapi ->process
[06:24] <claydoh> phoenix_firebrd: dunno, i don't get hangs, tho it does slow for a spell,  but my main laptop is slightly older,   my reeeeaaaally old laptop just slows for a spell
[06:25] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: what is that process actually for?
[06:28] <claydoh> phoenix_firebrd: it indexes the apt database for the software center, for all the info
[06:28] <claydoh> and muon
[06:30]  * claydoh sleeps now, pretty late :(
[06:30] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: ok, thank you , good night
[06:31] <claydoh> phoenix_firebrd: maybe others can chime in, too :)
[06:31] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: ya
[08:43] <se7en> how can i share a folder so windows can access them?
[09:45] <szal> !samba | se7en
[12:17] <dthacker> Looks like flash is broken again.  In the past I've gotten around this by uninstalling and reinstalling flashplugin-installer.   THis time it's not working.  Any other tips?
[12:23] <yofel> a) define broken b) which release?
[12:29] <GirlyGirl> dthacker: What do you mean broken??
[12:29] <dthacker> GirlyGirl: brb,  need to restart for applying updates  :)
[12:29] <Carnage__> Hey guys. I've installed quite a few kde updates earlier this morning and after rebooting and logging in, I'm only presented with a grey screen now. Nothing is happing, I can only kill the kdm to get back to the login screen...
[12:30] <Carnage__> Has anyone had that problem with the recent updates too? Any ideas what could cause them and how I can fix them?
[12:30] <Carnage__> Oh yes, I have Kubuntu 11.04 with default repositories
[12:31] <GirlyGirl> Carnage__: Does it switch back to kdm on its own
[12:32] <Carnage__> Nope, it just remains grey
[12:32] <Carnage__> I checked .xsession-errors but it did not come up with something useful.
[12:32] <GirlyGirl> Carnage__: Pressing ALT + F2 shows you a run dialog
[12:32] <Carnage__> xorg.log is fine since kdm starts properly, things just get screwed up after login
[12:33] <Carnage__> Nope, I cannot do anything at all apart from changing to a tty or killing kdm
[12:33] <dthacker> and.....I'm back!
[12:34] <GirlyGirl> Carnage__: Do you have any important settings in KDE that you need, would you like to set defaults?
[12:35] <Carnage__> I already created a new account but after logging in, the behavior is exactly the same
[12:35] <Carnage__> So it does not seem to be a user setting but rather a kde problem
[12:35] <yofel> Carnage__: can you pastebin the .xsession-error from the new account?
[12:35] <dthacker> I am receiving the "Additional plugins are required to display all the media on this page".   Click on "install missing plugins" and I get Adobe flash installer.   Click on that and it says "Already installed"
[12:35] <yofel> pastebinit can do it from the command line
[12:36] <dthacker> I've tried uninstalling flashplugin-installer and re-installing with KpackageKit,   That has worked in the past, but not this time.
[12:37] <GirlyGirl> yofel: For some reason some packages stupidly make apt remove kde-base-workspace somethimes ... I had this problem recently when but that was not with upgrading to 4..6.5
[12:38] <dthacker> Is there another package I should be poking at?
[12:38] <GirlyGirl> I assume Carnage__ is going to 4.6.5 as it just went to natty updates
[12:38] <yofel> GirlyGirl: is that with 4.6.5 or 4.7.X ?
[12:38] <GirlyGirl> 4.7X
[12:38] <yofel> then that's fine, kdebase-workspace is kde-workspace in 4.7
[12:39] <GirlyGirl> yofel: Sorry I meant kde-workspace ... it got removed and killed the system had to manually install it from CLI
[12:39] <yofel> ok, *that*s shouldn't have happened
[12:39] <yofel> *that
[12:41] <dthacker> kpackagekit shows flashplugin-installer and flashplugin-nonfree installed.
[12:41] <GirlyGirl> dthacker: Does flash not work with all browsers?
[12:41] <yofel> GirlyGirl: got the apt history from when it did that?
[12:42] <GirlyGirl> yofel: Sorry no
[12:42] <dthacker> GirlyGirl: I will check another browser now...
[12:42] <yofel> k
[12:42] <GirlyGirl> yofel: I think it was suggested for removal with one of the kde wallpapers packages or something
[12:42] <dthacker> GirlyGirl: rekonq shows same error...
[12:43] <yofel> no idea without logs, we do upgrade tests before we release the packages, and this never happened there
[12:44] <GirlyGirl> yofel: Anyway its no big deal 4.7 isn't in the oficial release or something, people using backports do expect such stuff now and then
[12:44] <GirlyGirl> dthacker: What error?
[12:45] <dthacker> GirlyGirl: "you need to upgrade your Adobe flash player"
[12:46] <yofel> there was a recent release of flash from adobe, natty wasn't updated yet from what I see
[12:46] <GirlyGirl> Flash 11
[12:46] <dthacker> I'm on 10.04 for another week......
[12:46] <GirlyGirl> dthacker: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=21432
[12:47] <dthacker> GirlyGirl: thanks, reading...
[12:47] <Carnage__> Sorry guys, I'm on the phone, I'll get back to you in a minute
[12:48] <dthacker> Would you recommend unintalling before trying that PPA?
[12:48] <dthacker> uninstalling even :)
[12:49] <GirlyGirl> dthacker: I don't know I get this problem on Windows ... IE will say old version but FF works fine
[12:50] <dthacker> GirlyGirl: hehe.  I get this about every six months.   This time it's just been more effort to fix.   Kubuntu works pretty well and makes me lazy
[12:53] <dthacker> Ok, new ppa added, but not seeing packanges for maverick.   I wonder if they made one.
[12:55] <no||shutdown> hi
[12:56] <Carnage__> yofel, GirlyGirl: I have to boot Kubuntu again, I'll be back in a bit, I'll see if I have to reinstall kde-base-workspace
[12:56] <no||shutdown> can someone give me a hand with Kwin?
[12:56] <no||shutdown> hey GirlyGirl
[12:57] <omega__> hi
[12:57] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Describe the problem
[12:58] <no||shutdown> GG - i have 1 laptop lcd and 1 standard lcd, their preferred settings are 1280x800 and 1280x1024, saving these settings to be loaded at boot is what i'm after
[12:58] <no||shutdown> GG i have to use xRandR to adapt these settings in the CLI
[12:58] <omega__> someone can point me to a good tutorial for start to develop android apps with kdevelop?
[12:58] <no||shutdown> GG but i want to save these settings so i don't have to redo them
[12:58] <no||shutdown> i have no ./xprofile file from what i can see
[12:58] <no||shutdown> thats all
[12:59] <no||shutdown> i'd also like to get to the bottom of the OpenGL issues with these monitors, seeing as the shaders will only load in the standard config, not in the config i want, saying my OpenGl package is unsafe to use.
[12:59] <no||shutdown> thats my goal for this attempt :]
[13:00] <no||shutdown> i am reading http://userbase.kde.org/KWin
[13:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:01] <omega__> hi BluesKaj
[13:01] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Doesn't display settings sort the monitor fine?
[13:01] <sancochito> hi
[13:01] <BluesKaj> hi omega__
[13:01] <sancochito> how can I change the background colour in irc quassel please?
[13:01] <dthacker> when I run sudo apt-get update its putting ign in front of my newly added ppa.  Does ign mean ignore?
[13:01] <no||shutdown> Girly yes but I have to reconfigure every time i log
[13:01] <no||shutdown> girly i need to find a file which has the default config already
[13:02] <no||shutdown> girly - i think by finding that file that i'll be able to enter the proper settings, save them and never have to care again
[13:02] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Normally if you do not unplug monitors it should keep the config
[13:02] <BluesKaj> dthacker, yes , nothing vailable
[13:02] <BluesKaj> available
[13:02] <no||shutdown> girly - not in this case.
[13:02] <Carnage__> Hey guys, I'm back. I reinstalled kdebase-workspace but it did not help. That's my .xsession-errors, nothing more: http://pastebin.com/yC1SsDvn
[13:02] <no||shutdown> girly - i start with 1024x768 on both monitors, the lcd a clone of the laptop-lcd
[13:02] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Also you can press G and tab to auto complete my nick name its easier as it sends an attention request
[13:02] <Carnage__> I wonder why I get an openbox-message in there...
[13:03] <dthacker> BluesKaj: I see a plublished package for Maverick (what I'm running) in the PPA.
[13:03] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: ok, you see after i change the settings with xRandR the modes Kwin was installed in change and i lose window effects
[13:03] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: just want to properly configure it and save it.
[13:03] <dthacker> https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/flash
[13:04] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: What graphic card do you have
[13:04] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: Intel GMA 950
[13:04] <omega__> do you know a good tutorial for s platform?tating developing android apps using kubuntu (kdevelop) as development
[13:04] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Give me a sec I have the same card let me check
[13:04] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: thanks :]
[13:05] <dthacker> omega__: many seem to favor using Eclipse.
[13:05] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Ok Press ALT + F2 and type "kdesu kate /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup"
[13:06] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: then press enter
[13:06] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: window pops up and then disappears
[13:06] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: followed by a nice sound
[13:06] <omega__> thankyou dthacker! I know...but kdevelop is faster and more integrated than a Java program like Eclipse. And I always have programs with Open SDK and oracle Java SDK...
[13:07] <omega__> in eclipese of course..
[13:07] <BluesKaj> dthacker, ahh yeah , that one is problematic ..not sure if it's been replaced in the repos ..I tried to install that flash version from that ppa yesterday and i had to apt-get install , check your flash version after installing
[13:07] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Ok then run the same thing with "kwrite" in place of "kate"
[13:07] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Ok then run the same thing with "kwrite" in place of "kate" and kdesudo in place of kdesu
[13:07] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Which version of Kubuntu is this
[13:07] <dthacker> BluesKaj: did you pull from that PPA or just regular repository?
[13:08] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: now i see the Xsetup config file :) making progress
[13:08] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Which version of Kubuntu is this?
[13:08] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: file is no longer Read-Only
[13:08] <BluesKaj> dthacker, not sure , I haven't checked the versions yet
[13:08] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: its Backtrack 5r1
[13:08] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: KDE4
[13:09] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Open konsole press help > About KDE
[13:09] <dthacker> BluesKaj: ok,  I'm going to uninstall/reinstall and check versions.   Back in a few....
[13:09] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: ver 4.5.3
[13:10] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: This is precisely why I dislike people using backtrack and comming to Ubuntu support ... that release is very old .. it has a bug that causes this ... has been fixed not in Kubuntu but you use backtrack
[13:10] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: understood
[13:10] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: i can feel that.
[13:10] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: anyways appending the line "xrandr --output DVI-1 --auto --right-of DVI-0" in the xsetup file will fix it
[13:10] <hume> hi... I'm running ubuntu 11.04 on a brand new Samsung 9-series. In gome, it connects nicely to the wifi network, but in kubuntu it does not connect. any ideas on this? what to do/check?
[13:11] <BluesKaj> dthacker, I checked synaptic and version number is 11.0.1.129-0ubuntu0~sevenmachines1 , same as the ppa
[13:11] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: alright, in this file xRandR settings are saved, I assume using the # before the command?
[13:11] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Anyways I advice you to go to Kubuntu Oneric when it comes out on the 17th ... that comes with KDE 4.7.2 which is years ahead in bug fixes and features
[13:11] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: no #
[13:12] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: thanks alot :]
[13:12] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: any idea on the  OpenGL packages, since we have the same gpu?
[13:12] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: i just didn't know about Kesu,thats why  ;)
[13:12] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: thanks again.
[13:12] <Carnage__> GirlyGirl: Any ideas with respect to my problem of the grey screen after logging in? My .xsession-errors is not really helpful http://pastebin.com/yC1SsDvn Though I wonder why something related to openbox is in there...
[13:13] <GirlyGirl> Carnage__: You have openbox?
[13:13] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Is it working now?
[13:13] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: i'm working on the commands atm
[13:13] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: am going to define both monitors statically the file
[13:14] <Carnage__> GirlyGirl: I use KDE, but I have openbox installed to use it for a separate xserver on my TV
[13:14] <Carnage__> And this setup used to work without any problems, until this morning...
[13:14] <GirlyGirl> Carnage__: Try a simple "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[13:14] <Carnage__> Ok, will do, brb :)
[13:16] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: As to why anyone would still use KDE 4.5.3 I have no clue ... Clearly backtrack cannot keep up with maintaining packages
[13:16] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: and when it comes to updating KDE?
[13:17] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: this is a fresh install, i will run the standard update packages, nm
[13:17] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: there are loads of update packages to be installed
[13:18] <dthacker> looks like I'm trying to grab a version 10 update and failing.... http://paste.ubuntu.com/704431/
[13:18] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: KDE will still remain "back" in "backtrack"
[13:19] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: otherwise, about the Xsetup doc, the commands themselves on a new line, are there any delimeters ; or , etc?
[13:19] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: new line
[13:20] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: GirlyGirl which version of kubuntu are you using?
[13:20] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: KDE also
[13:20] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Depends where on one system Natt 11.04 on another Oneric Beta 2
[13:20] <Carnage\> GirlyGirl: Got it back working :)
[13:20] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: 4.71 and 4.7.2
[13:21] <Carnage\> For whatever weird reason, x-window-manager got configured to openbox
[13:21] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: 4.5X is like 2 years back
[13:21] <Carnage\> by the update...
[13:21] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl:  4.7.2 should be available on apt-get ?
[13:21] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: No not yet on oneirc only it isn't there yet I compiled it
[13:21] <Carnage\> As it seems, kde-window-manager does not set the alternative properly on post-install...
[13:21] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: i will fix this boot file and take a good look at the various components, I know your probably wondering why i'm using backtrack? there is a valid point ;)
[13:22] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: i'm well aware there higher grade versions available, i should be able to cross install/compile this
[13:22] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: i should be able to improve all of this, or are their limitations in your knowledge?
[13:23] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Old components of backtrack will give you are hard time with dependancies
[13:23] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: have noticed.
[13:24] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Besides the current Intel video driver on backtrack will not work well with 4.7X
[13:24] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: Why do you use it anyway
[13:24] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: *sigh* because its all the rage
[13:24] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: actually, i have some work related projects requiring the aircrack program set
[13:25] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: You can install that on Kubuntu as well
[13:25] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: i was running all this on a vm, but i decided to install the OS, because of performance issues
[13:25] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: well aware of that
[13:25] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: so when it comes to my video card, and dual core intel cpu's, which version would you recommend for a clean install?
[13:26] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: If backtrack wanted to do something sensible they should have just made a ppa with a meta package that modifes ubuntu
[13:26] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: i don't mind booting a different version, the point is to get the the best performance out of my laptop!
[13:26] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: wait for oneric
[13:26] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: nothing sensible about this OS, childish more like :P
[13:26] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: this nonsense needs to be ready by monday.
[13:26] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: :)
[13:27] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: or install 11.04 and put kde 4.7.1 will fix graphic issue in 4.6X http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.7.1
[13:28] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: ill take a look
[13:28] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: thanks :)
[13:28] <GirlyGirl> no||shutdown: No problem
[13:28] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: brb, going to verify this Xsetup config
[13:31] <no||shutdown> lol
[13:31] <no||shutdown> GirlyGirl: nope :]
[13:32] <no||shutdown> anyway lets take a look at a reasonable install
[14:05] <shallwe> hi guys
[14:05] <shallwe> someone are using kubuntu 11.10 version netbook ?
[14:06] <shallwe> im lost on this version hahaha,  i cant find the main menu for installed programs :(
[14:06] <BluesKaj> shallwe, ask in#ubuntu+1
[14:06] <shallwe> BluesKaj: ty :D
[14:07] <BluesKaj> err #ubuntu+1
[14:08] <OerHeks> i guess there is no netbook version anymore ..
[14:09] <BluesKaj> yeah, I wasn't sure ...i think there's netbook login option
[14:09] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, , but don't quote me :)
[14:09] <shallwe> yes theres a version for netbok
[14:10] <shallwe> im using :D i guess o.O
[14:10] <shallwe> cuz theres only 1 bar now on top
[14:10] <shallwe> like unity
[14:10] <dthacker> Ok,  grandchild duty is done for awhile.
[14:11] <dthacker> BluesKaj:  you said current version of flash is 11.01.29.   Even after apt-get update, I'm attemptiing to download 10.3.183.   How can I correct that?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> dthacker, sorry I forgot to mention I'm using the 11.10 Oneiric ppa
[14:16] <BluesKaj> "yours may be bifferent"
[14:16] <BluesKaj> err different
[14:17] <dthacker> BluesKaj: oops :)   I don't think I want to upgrade today....
[14:17] <dthacker> I was going to wait for the official release...
[14:17] <BluesKaj> yeah, that's on thurs
[14:42] <mr-rich> Can someone tell me why (k)ubuntu has not updated LibreOffice to 3.4.3?
[14:51] <darthanubis> mr-rich: your just using the wrong version. Kubuntu has
[14:52] <darthanubis> Kubuntu Beta2 that is;)
[14:52] <mr-rich> darthanubis: I'm using Kubuntu 11.04
[14:52] <mr-rich> 11.10 is due out soon ...
[14:52] <darthanubis> I said Beta2 my friend
[14:52] <darthanubis> this month
[14:53] <darthanubis> I using it now, love it!
[14:53] <darthanubis> and I checked for you, yeah LO 3.43
[14:54] <darthanubis> I did a clean install btw
[14:54] <darthanubis> I never upgrade to beta, I used to, but stopped.
[14:55] <darthanubis> Uprgading to final is alright I supposed
[14:55] <darthanubis> -d
[15:04] <mr-rich> darthanubis: Kubuntu is my main OS ... I have everything on here. Clean installs would mean loosing everything or spending countless hours recovering from backups. I'll wait and "upgrade" to 11.10 when it's out ...
[15:04] <mr-rich> I use Windows as little as possable ...
[15:06] <mr-rich> I used to use Fedora, but upgrades would often break stuff since it was bleeding edge. (k)ubuntu is a a lot more stable and upgrades are smooth(er) ...
[15:07] <darthanubis> I never lose anything and it never takes hours to do such a thing, since I have seperate drives and partiitions for my work. /home stays put the only thing that gets formatted is / and /boot.
[15:08] <darthanubis> Plan your drives and partitions for such things as early upgrades in the future
[15:08] <darthanubis> peace
[15:08] <darthanubis> or you can always add a PPA to get the latest software which is great about Ubuntus
[15:09] <darthanubis> https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa
[15:22] <darthanubis> mr-rich: you get that link?
[15:22] <mr-rich> Yes ... thank you.
[15:26] <kaddi> hi, could someone take a look at dmesg output on a external hard drive and let me know if i'm looking at a failing hard drive or not?
[15:27] <kaddi> that's what I get when I connect the drive (without trying to mount it): http://pastebin.com/eStPFnaM Mounting fails
[15:28] <darthanubis> kaddi: nothing but fail there
[15:29] <kaddi> fail as in hardware fail or corrupt patrition table or other?
[15:29] <darthanubis> the partition has not even mounted yet, so I'd go with H/W fail
[15:30] <kaddi> you know of a tool to confirm/test for that? (with ubuntu)
[15:30] <darthanubis> can't test what aint connected
[15:30] <darthanubis> you are looking at your test results
[15:30] <kaddi> it is connected, it's just not mounted
[15:31] <kaddi> ubuntu recognized the drive just fine, also sees the partition on it, just not mounting it
[15:31] <darthanubis> it is not "connected" as far as the system is concerned
[15:31] <kaddi> the system is seeing the drive
[15:31] <darthanubis> but no data can be read
[15:31] <darthanubis> or written
[15:31] <darthanubis> a drive that cannot read or write is no longer a working drive
[15:32] <kaddi> yes, but I want to find out if that is because it's not partitioned correctly or if it is due to a hardware issue
[15:32] <darthanubis> if you do get it do function again, it won't be long before it completely crashes
[15:32] <kaddi> an unpartitionned drive can not be read or written to eiter
[15:32] <darthanubis> has nothing to do with the partition
[15:32] <BluesKaj> kaddi, then try this  :  mount -o remount,rw /path/to/drive
[15:33] <darthanubis> an unpartitioned drive alaso does not give buffer i/o errors either
[15:34] <BluesKaj> BBL
[15:34] <kaddi> ty
[15:34] <kaddi> it mounted
[15:40] <kaddi> backing up now... :)
[15:51] <BarkingFish> Hi guys.  I've asked this in #kde and #solid, neither seem to know, so I'll bring it here and see if someone can help me out.
[15:52] <BarkingFish> I have network manager running, I have a brilliant wifi signal, and obviously I'm connected to the net :)  But network manager's graph which shows me incoming and outgoing signal is totally flatlined.  It's literally showing no traffic whatsoever.
[15:52] <BarkingFish> KDE 4.7.1, Kubuntu 11.04, and my Wifi is on a USB stick (AR5523, Siemens Gigaset USB 108, over ndiswrapper)
[15:54] <BarkingFish> Anyone have any ideas as to what could be causing this?  It worked perfectly prior to a kernel change from 2.6.38-11-generic, to the pae version of the same kernel
[15:56] <OerHeks> BarkingFish, did you try a speedtest ?
[15:56] <OerHeks> just using IRC would give not much datatraffic
[15:57] <BarkingFish> I'm not just using IRC, OerHeks
[15:57] <BarkingFish> I have firefox open too, and I'm surfing some high intensity websites, a lot of flash, streaming video and so on
[15:57] <BarkingFish> NM is still flatlined
[16:13] <utusan> .j #kubuntu-devel
[16:32] <mach> hellu
[16:33] <BarkingFish> hi cod3name47 :)
[16:33] <cod3name47> whats up?
[16:42] <gedO> Hi
[16:42] <gedO> Guys, I have problem with Skype
[16:42] <gedO> Skype always starts up whene I log in
[16:42] <gedO> how to disable that?
[16:43] <gedO> somebody
[16:45] <gedO> Guys, how to disable skype from starting up at log in??
[17:04] <yofel> gedO: Either check systemsettings -> Startup and shutdown if it's in autostart, or if it isn't then make sure it's not running at logout
[17:10] <monsinior> Esos
[17:59] <[Raiden]> kde 4.7.2 fall into release?
[17:59] <OerHeks> yes, as an update, i read
[17:59] <[Raiden]> ok
[18:12] <avihay> gedO: I think you need to logout and select settings from the login screen
[18:26] <n8w> does any of u have been experiencing cpu freq lock(800Mhz in my case) in 11.04?
[18:34] <BarkingFish> !info network manager natty
[18:34] <BarkingFish> !info network-manager natty
[18:35] <wolfroms> so im running kubuntu and for some reason icant get sound out of my headphoines/speakers. i had sound when i had my tv hooked up via hdmi
[18:36] <BarkingFish> !info network-manager natty-proposed
[18:40] <n8w> does any of u have been experiencing cpu freq lock(800Mhz in my case) in 11.04?
[18:44] <GirlyGirl> n8w: no, is this a laptop?
[18:44] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  ye...
[18:44] <GirlyGirl> n8w: Install "powertop" and run that in terminal
[18:45] <GirlyGirl> n8w: See what output it gives
[18:45] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  it feels like it doesnt know that it bein powered ...
[18:48] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  ye ive got the output...what do u wanna know?:)) i mean yes it shows 3 freqs avaiable,but its bein locked on the lowest one
[18:49] <GirlyGirl> n8w: What CPU is this
[18:50] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  c2d 2ghz
[18:51] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  when i start the system it works just fine,but after some time it locks on 800mhz
[18:52] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  http://pastebin.com/JvpqaarZ
[18:54] <GirlyGirl> n8w: Do you find any bottleneck performance wise?
[18:55] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  r u kiddin me?
[18:55] <GirlyGirl> no
[18:56] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  fcourse i do...its a big difference rtunnin it on 2ghz n 800mhz
[18:57] <GirlyGirl> n8w: Is your power profile on performance
[18:57] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  the thing is that it doesnt kick up when no power avaiable..it keeps runin on 800..normally it would kick up,
[18:57] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  ye...these things were the first ones ive checked out
[19:00] <GirlyGirl> n8w: If you disable speedstep in bios, it should stay on 2Ghz permanently
[19:00] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  ye well, so whats up the on demand?:)
[19:01] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  the on demand could work in 9.4+ so why not now?
[19:03] <GirlyGirl> n8w: no idea ... file a bug report mentioning your cpu model etc
[19:03] <GirlyGirl> n8w: or wait for 11.10 and see if it works
[19:05] <n8w> GirlyGirl:  ye lets see...thx for help
[19:07] <GirlyGirl> n8w: no problem
[19:58] <draqster> hi all
[19:58] <draqster> after "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade" on my Kubuntu machine, I seem to have Ubuntu! Any ideas how that could happen?
[20:00] <well_laid_lawn> draqster: are you using a ppa for kde?
[20:00] <well_laid_lawn> that's the first thing that comes to mind
[20:01] <draqster> no
[20:02] <well_laid_lawn> doesn't dpkg keep a log? you could check in there for what happened
[20:15] <draqster> ok, I checked again and there where indeed PPA packages
[20:15] <draqster> I removed the corresponding lines. But now, how can I roll back to the official kde versions?
[20:16] <draqster> I.e. how can I say "for each installed program that was taken from the PPA repo, uninstall it and install the official package"?
[20:18] <GirlyGirl> draqster: ppapurge and reinstall?
[20:19] <GirlyGirl> draqster: And its difficult because somethimes names change
[20:19] <draqster> I tried that on kde-workspace,  but aptitude didn't automatically purge all the related packages. So do I now have to go through all package and check the Version whether it is ppa?
[20:21] <[Raiden]> draqster: try ppapurge
[20:22] <[Raiden]> and reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[20:22] <draqster> where do I find that program?
[20:22] <[Raiden]> apt-cache search ppapurge
[20:22] <draqster> tried already, didn't find anything
[20:24] <[Raiden]> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ppa-purge/0.2.8+bzr56/+build/2041068
[20:24] <draqster> funny: kubuntu-desktop isn't even installed right now.
[20:25] <draqster> installing kubuntu-desktop gives me KDE 4.6.5 - is that the latest official?
[20:27] <[Raiden]> yes.
[20:29] <draqster> solved that one: everything works now
[20:29] <draqster> That brings me to my second problem :-)
[20:30] <draqster> I installed 11.04 on my wife's laptop. Everything went fine, except that when she logs in I see the loading animation and then we are again at the login screen.
[20:30] <draqster> That is with Kubuntu 11.04. I tried Ubuntu 11.04, which lets her logging in.
[20:31] <draqster> Previous versions of Kubuntu worked just fine.
[20:33] <[Raiden]> wait until 11.10 :)
[20:33] <draqster> I told her :-) but she dosn't want to wait. And she specifically disliked Ubuntu
[20:34] <[Raiden]> )
[20:37] <ricky1966> hi everybody, i've migration to kubuntu 11.10 beta2, but i've a problem with the migration to kmail2, abybody can help me, i can't go on, and a window said me to try kmail --migration and something else, nut i don't wrote it and i don't remembre what i've to write to try  to solve the prblem
[20:42] <Daskreech> ricky1966: you can try kmail --help
[20:43] <ricky1966> try it, but nothing about migration....
[20:55] <phiscribe> i know not to ask if its ok to ask, so im warning...i got 5 machines with kubuntu and i am pulling my hair out....i feel the need to summon a yoda of kubuntu
[20:58] <phiscribe> so...i want a configuration with maybe roaming profiles like active directory or a way to sync profiles...ill have a windows logon in the mix everyonce and while....maybe some way to store users directories in a single place....but i am on a budget an the $ is running out....what suggestions do you fine peole have?  i am looking and samba, nfs, puppet...i would like some kinda groupware....i think just a push would help
[20:59] <phiscribe> these machines have a bit of age....
[21:11] <phiscribe> alright how about this, the printer applet lists current print jobs and can show completed ones....the User and Document colums show 'Unknown'  and the Printer column is blank, I would realy like to see the document name in the list, any ideas?
[21:11] <avihay> phiscribe: my school does it, so it's definitely possible
[21:12] <phiscribe> ah avihay, yes possible i belive, just how possbile for my fumbling and how timely hehe
[21:13] <avihay> well, since they don't copy my home directory every-time like wingdows, I guess they have a script that mounts your home folder on logon
[21:13] <phiscribe> i think the printer applet is an ibus screw up
[21:14] <phiscribe> probably fstab and and a network file share, i know the top level ideas....sorta, but not so good on implementation, i guess i jsut need to think some more, i like to chat just to solidify my thoughts, thanks for sounding back
[21:14] <avihay> I'm curious aswell
[21:15] <phiscribe> from what i read, samba can, (in addtion to being a bridge to windows shares) be a windows active directory, this would give me roaming profiles, but i am not sure if a ldap server would do the same, be better and work in win and lin
[21:16] <phiscribe> what i dont want is what Windows does, make 4-10 gigabyte proviles that have to load on the network each time you boot
[21:16] <phiscribe> profiles that is
[21:17] <phiscribe> i need a linux yoda
[21:18] <[Raiden]> )
[21:18] <phiscribe> yoda are you being entering the room?
[21:22] <phiscribe> where in kubuntu might i tweak the ibus settings
[21:48] <tomas__> I keep getting this error when running sudo apt-get install: "gzip: stdout: No space left on device" even though there's 40GB+ left on the drive
[21:50] <cher> tomas__: Can you create a bunch of small files on the drive?
[21:50] <cher> tomas__: Maybe the fs ran out of inodes.
[21:52] <tomas__> Example command? I can create new blank text files in Dolphin and save files from Firefox
[21:53] <cher> Hmm. What partitions do you have for linux? (i.e. output of df command in a pastebin)
[21:54] <tomas__> http://pastebin.com/d9JVkQBA
[21:55] <tomas__> Ah, boot partition is 100% used.... why?
[21:55] <Githzerai> tomas__: it's too small
[21:56] <Githzerai> kernel images are there
[21:56] <tomas__> How buig should it be?
[21:56] <tomas__> It was fine under Gentoo
[21:56] <Githzerai> depends on how many kernels do you keep
[21:56] <[Raiden]> /var/cache/apt
[21:57] <tomas__> I just migrated with a complete reformat so I should only have one
[21:57] <Githzerai> tomas__: then you should check what remains there
[21:58] <cher> Yep, maybe there's an old kernel lying around which you no longer need.
[21:58] <[Raiden]> du -h /var/cache/apt/archives
[21:58] <skreech_> tomas__: try sudo apt-get clean
[21:58] <tomas__> http://pastebin.com/5gyrXJXh
[21:58] <tomas__> skreech_:  did that.
[21:59] <skreech_> tomas__: didn't clear up any space?
[21:59] <tomas__> Unfortunately no
[21:59] <Githzerai> he doesn0t have separate /var partition so there is enough free space
[21:59] <cher> tomas__: On kubuntu 35 mb are enough for /boot for 1 kernel. However, if you install a new kernel, the old kernels still are there. Look at /boot and maybe delete old files. However, be careful.
[22:02] <tomas__> Well, I'm currently in 2.6.38.8 and it seems like it wants to upgrade me to 2.6.38.11... I should be OK to delete the 2.6.38.8 files no?
[22:02] <cher> Today I've changed my system from single monitor (1920x1200) to dual monitor (screen 1: 1280x1024, screen 2: 1920x1200). Now the task bar seems to have width 1920 but as screen 1 is 1280 parts of the task bar are not visible. How could I fix that?
[22:03] <[Raiden]> a separate section under boot only creates unnecessary problems
[22:04] <tomas__> [Raiden]:  What exactly do you mean?
[22:05] <cher> Oh, and how can I stop nepomuk from starting when I log in? I couldn't find it in Autostart, .profile or .bashrc. (I hate nepomuk, and I don't know why anyone would want to use it.)
[22:05] <dieterd_> Hi, what's wrong with initrd.img created by update from 10.04.2 to 10.04.3. Since then I have grub error 18. Any ideas for repair?  Grub repair and reinstall can't solve this.
[22:06] <Lithos84> cher: System Settings -> Desktop Search
[22:06] <Githzerai> cher: just nepomuk or nepomuk+akonsdi alltogether?
[22:06] <cher> What is akonsdi?
[22:06] <[Raiden]> tomas__: a separate section to boot just doesn't make sense to do if no exotic file systems  - google tranlator, my english is bad
[22:06] <Githzerai> THats Akonadi, sry
[22:07] <cher> Okay, then what's akonadi?
[22:07] <tomas__> [Raiden]:  Interesting. That's always what I learned to do, coming from the world of Gentoo
[22:07] <tomas__> But then they like things to be complicated.
[22:07] <dieterd_> changed to xubuntu
[22:07] <Githzerai> cher: http://community.kde.org/KDE_PIM/Akonadi
[22:07] <dieterd_> exit
[22:08] <Githzerai> cher: if you don't know what it is, you probably don't need it, Unless you use KDEPIM (kmail and stuff)
[22:08] <[Raiden]> tomas__: as they explain the need for?
[22:09] <tomas__> No, just the way they said to do it.
[22:09] <[Raiden]> :)
[22:11] <[Raiden]> tomas__: I did a separate section only 1 time watched reiserfs4. In all other cases not useful
[22:12] <tomas__> [Raiden]: Thanks. Good to know
[22:13] <[Raiden]> may be still need to encrypt the root fs...
[22:15] <[Raiden]> I hope you understand me, I enjoyed the electronic translator :)
[22:17] <tomas__> Gonna try resizing the partitions, brb
[22:19] <tomas__> Holla! That worked. You guys are geniuses!
[22:23] <g0rs> tomas__: was your installation succesful?
[22:25] <tomas__> Yes, KPackage kit can now read it's history, etc. which was the initial problem. Except now, I have to start it in a terminal with sudo, or it complains about improper authorization (without giving me a chance in-program to authenticate)
[23:04] <tomas__> Ok, next on the list, I have no sound from Adobe Flash, but all other sound apps (MPlayer, Amarok, etc.) work fine.
[23:06] <Githzerai> tomas__: flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound
[23:08] <tomas__> Githzerai: Where do I get that>
[23:08] <Githzerai> repoes :)
[23:08] <Githzerai> it's in multiverse
[23:09] <tomas__> Ok, I;m new to Ubuntu/Debian... apt-get and KPackageKit don't find it.
[23:09] <Githzerai> tomas__: 11.04?
[23:09] <tomas__> yes
[23:10] <Githzerai> tomas__: go to software sources and enable multiverse repository
[23:12] <Githzerai> sudo software-properties-kde
[23:12] <tomas__> It's enabled... I think... deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty multiverse is checked
[23:12] <Githzerai> hm, thats wierd
[23:12] <tomas__> It's enabled under software-properties-kde
[23:13] <Githzerai> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=flashplugin&searchon=names&suite=natty&section=all
[23:13] <Githzerai> shows that there is a flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound package in multiverse
[23:13] <Githzerai> Have you updated package list?
[23:14] <tomas__> How do I do that exactly?
[23:14] <Githzerai> fastest way: sudo apt-get update
[23:15] <Githzerai> and: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound
[23:15] <tomas__> Same thing
[23:16] <Githzerai>  hm, wtf??
[23:16] <Githzerai> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/f/flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound/
[23:17] <Githzerai> It exists in your mirror :/
[23:17] <g0rs> Githzerai: what is extra sound for? i installed the norma adobe-non-free plugin
[23:17] <Githzerai>  Is there a '#' in fornt of deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty multiverse?
[23:17] <well_laid_lawn> !info flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound
[23:18] <Githzerai> g0rs: it enables flash to use pulseaudio
[23:18] <toyowheelin> woah you can do that?
[23:18] <g0rs> Githzerai: can we disable pulseaudio and use oss or ALSA?
[23:18] <Githzerai> g0rs: yes we can, but why? :)
[23:19] <g0rs> Githzerai: what is the big deal about pulse audio anyway?
[23:19] <g0rs> Githzerai: why have they changed alsa or oss with pulse audio?
[23:19] <toyowheelin> the description for extrasound says it is for esound and oss
[23:19] <toyowheelin> :/
[23:20] <Githzerai> g0rs: check PA wiki, too long for IRC
[23:20] <g0rs> Githzerai: will do
[23:20] <cher> Why disable pulseaudio? Because it sucks, that's why.
[23:21] <cher> With alsa I had full control of my sound card. Now with pulse audio I cannot even change the volume on left separately from right.
[23:21] <Githzerai> toyowheelin: PA is a successor too Esound, so Flash uses Esound code to output to PA
[23:21] <g0rs> cher: exactly. it seemed like lot of features of a sound card are not enabled or visible by default
[23:22] <toyowheelin> Githzerai: oh I see
[23:22] <cher> Yes, and it's difficult to enable them, maybe even impossible. I've tried for 10 minutes or so and failed. I just can't find out how to gain control over my sound card again.
[23:22] <Githzerai> I had nos such problems with PA
[23:22] <g0rs> cher: I wanted to disable PA and switch back to ALSA or OSS
[23:24] <cher> I just don't know how to disable pulse audio.
[23:24] <Torch> cher: uninstall it.
[23:24] <Githzerai> cher: cant you just uninstall it?
[23:24] <toyowheelin> cher: in the mixer just right click the playback device and hit split channels
[23:25] <cher> toyowheelin: Okay, thanks! Now the next thing I'd like to know is how I control the headphone separately.
[23:26] <cher> And how to enable bass boost and such stuff.
[23:26] <toyowheelin> hmm not sure about bass boost
[23:26] <Githzerai> cher: for bass boost you need an eqalizer
[23:26] <toyowheelin> :/
[23:27] <cher> An equalizer? Erm no, it's just a flag of my sound card, and it used to be accessible in Alsa.
[23:27] <toyowheelin> well if its built into the card you can simply open alsamixer in a terminal and turn it on but thats not a very clean solution
[23:27] <Githzerai> is it still accesible?
[23:28] <well_laid_lawn> try   alsamixer -c 0
[23:28] <Githzerai> see. PA is a server that runs on top of ALSA
[23:28] <cher> Well, alsamixer on a terminal doesn't work properly as long as pulse audio is running.
[23:28] <Githzerai> cher hint : F6
[23:28] <toyowheelin> cher: the selection of bass boost should
[23:28] <toyowheelin> just the volume controls will be overridden
[23:29] <toyowheelin> cher: http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/PulseAudioStoleMyVolumes
[23:30] <toyowheelin> check that out also
[23:30] <toyowheelin> may be helpful in getting PA under control
[23:30] <Githzerai> toyowheelin: it basically sums to F6 :)
[23:31] <cher> I'll just uninstall this pulseaudio crap. It sucks.
[23:31] <Githzerai> that's your choice... and opinion ;)
[23:32] <cher> That I cannot change the volume of my headphones independently of the speakers is not an opinion, it's a fact.
[23:33] <cher> And that pulseaudio hides sound card features instead of making them accessible also is not an opinion but a fact.
[23:33] <toyowheelin> yeah its kinda annoying
[23:33] <g0rs> cher: alsamixer is accessible on terminal
[23:34] <toyowheelin> g0rs: almost all settings in alsamixer get overridden by pulse
[23:34] <cher> Yes, and what's the point in that if pulseaudio took control of volume control? Even in alsamixer I nolonger can change the headphone volume independently :(
[23:34] <Githzerai> cher: well, I wouldn't argue on how you use it, but I for one don't have much use of all that options in my face all the time
[23:34] <g0rs> toyowheelin: i could increase or decrease volume with alsamixer and the effects are immediate
[23:34] <Githzerai> I set it up once and thats about it
[23:35] <cher> I change the volume of my headphones regularly, not just once.
[23:35] <cher> At least I'd like to.
[23:35] <toyowheelin> g0rs: yes then change the pulse volume and anything you changed will be reset
[23:35] <g0rs> toyowheelin: its better to disable PA.
[23:37] <toyowheelin> yeah its not really a big deal for me but I can see how others might be pretty frustrated with PA
[23:37] <Githzerai> What about bluetooth headphones?
[23:37] <toyowheelin> what about them
[23:38] <Githzerai> Well, never managet to get zhem to work with ALSA
[23:38] <Githzerai> *managed
[23:38] <toyowheelin> oh
[23:38] <Githzerai> sry for typos
[23:38] <toyowheelin> never tried it
[23:38] <Githzerai> Also, there is Veromix plasmoid
[23:39] <Githzerai> which is similar to Pavucontrol in Gnome
[23:41] <toyowheelin> hmm I will have to try it
[23:43] <Githzerai> toyowheelin: music streaming from your smartphone to your PC via bluetooth is a lot of fun :)
[23:43] <toyowheelin> how do you do that
[23:43] <toyowheelin> suppose your phone has to support it
[23:44] <Githzerai> Pulseaudio :)
[23:44] <Githzerai> It's a server, so you just set your phone to use it as a sound output.
[23:45] <Githzerai> Setting up the phone is a bit tricky
[23:45] <toyowheelin> yeah figured it would be
[23:45] <Githzerai> but linux on N900 is just the same as any :)
[23:48] <Githzerai> I'm just waiting for bluetooth tethering in Bledevil+Plasma NetworkManagement, so that I can say that KDE has everything I want....