[00:10] <aberhow> so what are pre-release images?
[00:11] <rww> aberhow: what do you mean?
[00:11] <bazhang> aberhow, no RC dl's
[00:12] <aberhow> rww: on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule , it has under Oct 6, pre-release images.
[00:14] <rww> aberhow: oh, those. See http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[00:15] <rww> aberhow: they're just tagged daily ISOs, though
[00:25] <aberhow> oh
[00:25] <aberhow> cool, thanks rww
[00:39] <peterson> Hey guys!
[00:39] <peterson> I'm having a weird problem with how Ubuntu looks
[00:39] <peterson> spartan gtk theme, can't set icon themes
[00:40] <peterson> having a hard
[00:40] <peterson> hard time*
[00:40] <peterson> can anyone help me out? =)
[00:46] <peterson> guys, can anybody help out?
[00:47] <peterson> I mean, I choose Ambiance again in the appearance settings and nothing changes... I go to dconf-editor, set the iconset again and nothing happens...
[00:49] <robin0800> peterson, try gnome-tweak-tool
[00:50] <peterson> hehe, funny, just removed gnome-shell as I was trying to figure out if it was the problem. I'll have to install it again to try it out =P
[00:50] <peterson> thanks, robin0800! =D
[00:51] <peterson> wow
[00:51] <peterson> funny thing
[00:51] <peterson> as I fumbled in gnome-tweak-tool
[00:52] <peterson> I changed the settings to what I wanted (even thought they were those already)
[00:52] <peterson> and then... Core dump! =)
[00:52] <peterson> is there a package that reverts the changes?
[00:53] <peterson> like a kubuntu-default-settings, but for ubuntu? couldn't find it with apt-cache
[00:54] <robin0800> peterson, use gnome-tweak-tool and just set defaults
[00:55] <peterson> ok, set them. Nothing changed, but I'll log out and back in again to see what happens
[00:59] <peterson> Well,
[00:59] <peterson> there was no such option as "set everything to default", but I set them individually to defaults, which were always Adwaita
[00:59] <peterson> aaaand it's the same =/
[01:01] <peterson> should I --reinstall unity?
[01:01] <robin0800> peterson, that is the gnome default ubuntu default is either ambiance or radiance
[01:02] <peterson> window border changes as fast as I choose it
[01:02] <peterson> but gtk theme / icons don't
[01:03] <peterson> (I've chosen ambiance now)
[01:04] <robin0800> peterson, the icons are ubuntu mono light and ubuntu mono dark
[01:04] <peterson> yeah, I've chosen ubuntu mono dark
[01:04] <SetiAmon> so anyone running 11.10 beta?
[01:04] <SetiAmon> how does 11.10 run compared to 11.04?
[01:05] <robin0800> peterson, the icons might need a log off and log on to appear
[01:05] <peterson> SetiAmon I like it so far =) pretty pretty good
[01:05] <dork> i've been using it for a few weeks now
[01:05] <dork> there's an annoying bug that makes my workstation do some sort of acpi suspend thing that is apparently a known bug
[01:06] <dork> yet it still exists with the RC
[01:06] <peterson> robin0800, ok I'll log off/on
[01:06] <SetiAmon> dork well i imagine it will be fixed by 13th
[01:06] <dork> other than that oneiric is great once you remove unity and install gnome3
[01:07] <dork> SetiAmon: i wouldn't hold my breath on it
[01:07] <dork> :)
[01:07] <SetiAmon> I thought gnome3 came preinstalled?
[01:07] <robin0800> dork thats just been fixed its in screen set it to never
[01:08] <SetiAmon> or is it just a supported desktop enviroment package?
[01:08] <peterson> robin0800 didn't work =/
[01:08] <SetiAmon> because when i installed gnome 3 on 11.04 My system crashed completly,unrestorable,had to do a fresh install
[01:08] <dork> robin0800: as in screensaver or in the power settings?
[01:09] <dork> SetiAmon: gnome3 was unstable at that time, have had no issues with it on oneiric
[01:09] <dork> also use gnome3 w/ fedora and it is good.
[01:09] <SetiAmon> wicked
[01:09] <peterson> SetiAmon yeah, I have it installed alongside. But I don't like it
[01:09] <SetiAmon> whats wrong with unity?just your openion because i went back to ubuntu classic when I isntalled 11.04 because it was slow and cumbersome
[01:10] <robin0800> dork neither the screen as I said look in system settings its a monitor with a padlock on the screen
[01:10] <dork> robin0800: ah ok will do
[01:11] <dork> SetiAmon: personal preference, shared among a lot of people though
[01:11] <dork> whatever that is worth
[01:12] <peterson> robin0800 Is there anything else I could do?
[01:13] <robin0800> peterson, what's the problem now?
[01:14] <peterson> robin0800 well, the same as before --- The measures didn't work.
[01:15] <robin0800> peterson, is it just the icons?
[01:16] <peterson> robin0800, no, gtk theme is awful too.
[01:17] <peterson> robin0800 have a look http://imgur.com/f3N0p
[01:17] <peterson> robin0800 it's like dconf and tweak tool are indifferent to what I choose there.
[01:20] <robin0800> peterson, where did you put this theme and is it for gtk3 or is it an old gtk2 theme the latter won't work
[01:21] <peterson> robin0800 man, this theme being used now, I have no idea where it came from. Plus, I just want to use default Ambiance
[01:21] <peterson> robin0800 the only deviance would be Faenza, which I added from its Oneiric PPA
[01:22] <robin0800> peterson, faenza the icon theme?
[01:23] <peterson> robin0800 precisely
[01:23] <peterson> robin0800 so the thing is, in tweak tool I've chosen ubuntu mono dark and ambiance. this gtk theme isn't ambiance, neither is this iconset ubuntu mono dark...
[01:24] <peterson> robin0800 I mean I chose ubuntu mono dark like you asked me too earlier on...
[01:24] <peterson> robin0800 me to*
[01:26] <robin0800> peterson, on mine as I change them in gnome-tweak-tool they change instantly
[01:27] <peterson> robin0800 yes, that's what's weird
[01:27] <peterson> robin0800 here nothing I do changes anything
[01:28] <peterson> robin0800 this all started pretty worse, actually. Unity wouldn't even load as I logged in. So I got around to launching ccsm and I saw Unity plugin was deactivated. I don't know why, I hadn't done that. So I activated it again and got Unity back. On the other hand, I just can't get it back to what it was before (gtk theme and iconset)
[01:29] <peterson> robin0800 should I file a bug?
[01:30] <robin0800> peterson, is compiz crashing?
[01:31] <peterson> robin0800 not really. It just all of a sudden stopped loading the unity plugin when I logged in.
[01:33] <robin0800> peterson, I am not sure someone may know if unity plug in is disabled can compiz and therefore unity still run
[01:34] <peterson> robin0800 yeah, I know, it can't
[01:34] <peterson> it won't run if it's disabled
[01:34] <peterson> I didn't disable it
[01:35] <peterson> robin0800 the system did it by itself, I don't know, maybe an update
[01:35] <peterson> robin0800 now it's enabled again, because I enabled it
[01:37] <robin0800> peterson, set up a new user see if that works
[01:37] <peterson> robin0800 great! I'll try it
[01:43] <peterson_> oh sweet goddess
[01:43] <peterson_> new user is perfect
[01:43] <peterson_> stainless
[01:44] <peterson_> robin0800 what config folders do I need to copy from new user's home dir so I can restore things 'round here?
[01:46] <robin0800> peterson_, I think its just the home directory mostly the hidden files
[01:47] <robin0800> peterson_, I would delete files not just copy
[01:47] <peterson_> robin0800 hmmm
[01:47] <peterson_> robin0800 yeah but some refer to app configuration, such as firefox, etc
[01:47] <peterson_> robin0800 for example, .compiz, .gvfs might be good ones
[01:48] <robin0800> peterson_, If they are not in the new user home don't delete them in your home
[01:49] <peterson_> robin0800 and there we have a rule of thumb! =D
[01:49] <peterson_> robin0800 thanks a lot, sir! I'll start the process! =]
[02:00] <mikedep333-seren> hi, I'm not an expert on debugging or apport
[02:00] <mikedep333-seren> here's the bug report I'm contributing to
[02:00] <mikedep333-seren> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/854231
[02:01] <mikedep333-seren> when I try using apport-bug on the stacktrace file, I get an error
[02:01] <mikedep333-seren> is there a separate apport trace somewhere on my system?
[02:01] <mikedep333-seren> or some sort of apport file
[02:05] <mikedep333-seren> nm, I found it under /var/crash
[02:05] <robin0800> mikedep333-seren, think that may be an old bug are you up to date with updates?
[02:06] <mikedep333-seren> robin0800, yes
[02:06] <mikedep333-seren> I am a compulsive updater
[02:07] <robin0800> mikedep333-seren, how olds the bug report?
[02:08] <mikedep333-seren> robin0800, the guy submitted it on sept 19th
[02:13] <robin0800> mikedep333-seren, not seen any comment in here about it and not seen it on my two systems can't really say much more
[02:30] <atari2600a> hey
[02:30] <atari2600a> is anyone else having trouble connecting to AIM?
[02:31] <atari2600a> empathy just won't connect to it...
[02:56] <Typh> Anyone have an issue with middle click not registering unless done really quickly?
[02:58] <mhall119> ok, just upgraded to Oneiric, how the heck to I change the font sizes?
[03:00] <jbicha> mhall119: there's a very simple config in System Settings>Universal Access but for more control you probably need gnome-tweak-tool
[03:00] <mhall119> ok, the old gnome appearance applet is gone then?
[03:01] <jbicha> mhall119: yes, most of that has been removed in GNOME 3, but tweak tool brings a good amount of that back
[03:01] <mhall119> thanks jbicha
[03:01] <jbicha> mhall119: no problem, thanks for what you do too :)
[03:01] <mhall119> happy to :)
[03:02] <bjsnider> i imagine a new app for appearance settings will be designed at some point
[03:02] <jbicha> mhall119: I'll see you at UDS, right?
[03:02] <mhall119> I hope so, or the gnome 3 one improved
[03:02] <jbicha> well it's intentional design
[03:02] <mhall119> jbicha: yup, I'll be there every day, sequestered in the ISD room for most of it, but I'll be there
[03:02] <jbicha> the new GNOME Shell theme is named Adwaita which means something like "the one and only"
[03:03] <bjsnider> i think the tweak tool is intended as a placeholder in between what was used in gnome 2 and whatever comes along in gnome 3 eventually
[03:04] <jbicha> bjsnider: I think it's the other way around, it has the pieces left over that GNOME Design doesn't want cluttering up their product
[03:04] <mhall119> I'm confident that Gnome will evolve towards a better solution
[03:05] <bjsnider> it's such a rough looking app that it looks almost like "we don't have anywhere to put these controls for now, so let's stick them in here"
[03:05] <jbicha> there's a big gap for a program that allows configuring the extra Unity options & the GNOME tweaks
[03:05] <jbicha> I don't like encouraging people to use CCSM as it's very complicated and can easily break Unity
[03:07] <jbicha> the GNOME Tweak Tool developer is quite friendly and will accept patches or bug reports to improve it, it's written in Python so the entry threshold isn't that bad
[03:07] <jbicha> I have a few minor patches that got in it :)
[03:09] <bjsnider> you don't think there's be a bigger app to change themes and fonts and whatnot?
[03:12] <mhall119> jbicha: wasn't there a simple-ccsm?
[03:13] <bjsnider> that's probably not giving the user enough controls
[03:14] <jbicha> mhall119: yes but it was very simple and that particular app has kinda been abandoned
[03:15] <robin0800> bjsnider, what do you think is missing from gnome-tweak-tool?
[03:17] <Dougie187> Can anyone explain the difference between NVIDIA's (version current) and (post-release updates) drivers are?
[03:18] <bjsnider> robin0800, polish
[03:21] <robin0800> bjsnider, yea guess your right though it is still pretty good now IMHO
[03:22] <bjsnider> the old theme switcher had previews of the themes
[03:22] <jbicha> bjsnider: do you need a theme previewer when the options are instant apply?
[03:22] <bjsnider> tweak has that, without the previews, and with a lot of other settings that have nothing to do with themes joined in, as if themes are trivial
[03:23] <robin0800> bjsnider, you don't need it though they change instantly
[03:23] <bjsnider> i don't think the theme is as trivial as whether or not the "computer" icon appears on the desktop
[03:24] <jbicha> bjsnider: desktop is a different panel than theme
[03:25] <bjsnider> it's a different tab within the same app, but cobbling all of that together suggests that the more trivial stuff is at the same level as themes and icons and whatnot
[03:26] <bjsnider> but i suppose it would be ok with me if it didn't look like an ugly thing someone threw together one night
[03:26] <jbicha> "trivial" is hard to define, personally I have absolutely no need to mess with my font size, others like mhall119 really want that feature :)
[03:26] <robin0800> has any one found a really good theme for GTK3
[03:27] <bjsnider> i wanted to use cantarell, so i could have a "pure" gnome-shell
[03:27] <bjsnider> i changed the font size to 14 for everything because my monitor is 3-4 feet away from my eyes
[03:28] <jbicha> trivial ;)
[03:28] <bjsnider> there are 2 tabs int eh tweak tool that don't look right
[03:28] <bjsnider> "shell" and "windows" are cut off on the right, and you can't resize tweak's window
[03:29] <jbicha> they aren't cut off here, I guess that's because you increased your font size
[03:29] <jbicha> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=gnome-tweak-tool
[03:29] <bjsnider> right, if you turn it down it appears normally
[03:30] <bjsnider> so they're so unconcerned with these settings that they've got one guy developing this thing in python...
[03:31] <jbicha> that's correct (I believe he's a Ubuntu user by the way)
[03:31] <jbicha> at least the gsettings still exist so that a tweak tool still can work
[03:32] <bjsnider> if he's an ubuntu user then they _really_ don't care about these settings
[03:32] <jbicha> well he's also the gnome-sudoku guy
[03:34] <robin0800> jbicha, the main thing is to get it installed by default so more people can use and comment on it
[03:37] <mhall119> Radiance feels like it needs some more work in Gnome 3, some times buttons blend in with the background
[03:38] <jbicha> robin0800: yes I'd like to see g-t-t get better for P, it's nice to work with an already existing project when possible
[03:39] <jbicha> it might not be quite what we need but it's got a decent start
[03:44] <bjsnider> Dougie187, post-release updates will happen after oneiric is finished and have no relevance at the moment. the newer nvidia drivers will be the updates versions after oneiric is released
[03:44] <Dougie187> so, are the post-release updates the same as version current for now?
[03:44] <Dougie187> or are the post-release updates just junk for now?
[03:46] <bjsnider> the same, for now
[03:47] <Dougie187> ok cool
[03:47] <Dougie187> and then after oneiric comes out they are going to update that, and version current will just stay at what it is now. right?
[03:48] <bjsnider> right
[03:48] <Dougie187> awesome, thanks
[03:50] <SetiAmon> anyone know a gui frontend for Snort
[04:09] <robin0800> jbicha, not sure what unclaimed means
[04:12] <jbicha> robin0800: unclaimed?
[04:15] <robin0800> jbicha, sorry wrong channel
[06:42] <jan77> hi
[06:43] <jan77> I'm really missing my cpu-load applet and my litte workspace-preview-switcher in gnome3...
[07:08] <raevol> how is fglrx looking in oeneric atm? safe to use?
[09:03] <l00pb4ck> hi, how do i switch to gnome 3 on oneiric?
[09:05] <l00pb4ck> nm got it
[09:15] <daavis> i installed gnome with sudo apt-get install gnome.. now i have wierd Grub and it boots slower.. how to remove that?
[09:15] <daavis> how to remove gnome?
[09:31] <ThomasWaldmann> moin. i have a fs issue (ext4):
[09:32] <ThomasWaldmann> $ touch '/home/tw/w/moin-2.0/dlc/.http%3A%2F%2Fpypi.python.org%2Fpackages%2Fsource%2FX%2FXStatic-jQuery-File-Upload%2FXStatic-jQuery-File-Upload-4.4.2.tar.gz.content-type.Hoo3LI'
[09:32] <ThomasWaldmann> touch: cannot touch `/home/tw/w/moin-2.0/dlc/.http%3A%2F%2Fpypi.python.org%2Fpackages%2Fsource%2FX%2FXStatic-jQuery-File-Upload%2FXStatic-jQuery-File-Upload-4.4.2.tar.gz.content-type.Hoo3LI': File name too long
[09:33] <ThomasWaldmann> (originally this filename was used by rsync, which gave same error. i just wanted to check if it is a rsync issue or a general problem.)
[09:34] <ThomasWaldmann> i rsynced that file from my old installation (ext3) to a backup machine (ext3) and now tried to rsync back to new installation (ext4)
[09:35] <ThomasWaldmann> WP states max filename length for ext4 is 256bytes.
[09:35] <ThomasWaldmann> that whole path is only 168 bytes long.
[09:36] <ThomasWaldmann> (this is ubuntu 11.10)
[09:40] <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm, i have to add that my homedir is encrypted now, so it is ecryptfs and this problem seems to be known
[09:40] <ThomasWaldmann> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ecryptfs/+bug/344878
[09:42] <ThomasWaldmann> since 2009.
[09:43] <ThomasWaldmann> looks like i have to go back to dmcrypt/luks, i don't want to have all sorts of issues due to that. fsck.
[11:05] <maxb> Is there any supported means of enabling touchpad circular scrolling in oneiric?
[11:05] <maxb> The only ways I've found are command-line synclient, or GUI gpointing-device-settings (which doesn't persist over a reboot)
[11:43]  * penguin42 really shouldn't blame PA when I forgot to switch the amp on
[11:46] <Fire^fox> hello
[11:47] <Fire^fox> question, where are the mounted disk's on the desktop gone ?
[11:49] <Daekdroom> Fire^fox, unity launcher?
[11:49] <Fire^fox> yes
[11:49] <Fire^fox> nothing teher also
[11:49] <Daekdroom> Is it mounted?
[11:49] <Fire^fox> yes they are 2 truecrypt volumes
[11:49] <Daekdroom> Unity Launcher doesn't show by default disks that aren't mounted.
[11:49] <Fire^fox> no shown
[11:50] <Fire^fox> enabled show all volumes on ccsm
[11:51] <Fire^fox> also problems with vlc
[11:53] <Fire^fox> any idea ?
[12:22] <brad[]> Hi folks has anyone tried VMware Workstation 8 on an Oneiric host?
[12:50] <brianl> I am having a problem where when i have an application open, and i move my mouse all the way to the left, it doesnt pull up the unity bar, i have to go to desktop to see it?
[12:51] <Stanley00> brianl: did you "wait" for a few secs? It need some time to show up...
[12:52] <brianl> Stanley00, yes, its not showing up at all
[12:53] <Stanley00> brianl: then, sorry, I dont know why, it works fine on my system...
[12:53] <ali1234> sometimes it does that
[12:53] <brianl> Ive been looking for a setting that maybe got reset or something, but can't find anything
[12:54] <ali1234> just move all your windows around a bit, that usually fixes it here
[12:55] <brianl> hrmm
[12:55] <brianl> there we go, got it working ;/
[12:58] <jawad> hay
[12:58] <jawad> can anyone help me ?
[12:59] <jawad> i did reinstall wine and now i lost my permission for my files , when i try to convert file to excutable it unchick it file i change it instantly
[13:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:01] <jawad> that what i get "he file '/media/2250019F50017B35/Program Files (x86)/Diablo II/Diablo II.exe' is not marked as executable.  If this was downloaded or copied from an untrusted source, it may be dangerous to run.  For more details, read about the executable bit."
[13:04] <Stanley00> jawad: file on FAT or NTFS fs dont have the "x" mode to execute, afaik
[13:05] <Stanley00> jawad: try run it with "wine /path/to/your/file.exe"
[13:05] <jawad> its ntfs
[13:05] <jawad> aha
[13:06] <jawad> but it was working ok tell i reinstall wine
[13:06] <jawad> when i run google crom now he tell me that lost some privlege becase i dont have full permission
[13:06] <jawad> tells*
[13:07] <jawad> "Your profile could not be opened correctly.
[13:07] <jawad> Some features may be unavailable.  Please check that the profile exists and you have permission to read and write its contents."
[13:09] <jawad> i did change my account for admin in system setting , but it didnt work
[13:11] <BluesKaj> so what's up with flash , the 7machines version stiill requires nswrapper?
[13:12] <BluesKaj> ndiswrapper
[13:12] <ali1234> nspluginwrapper
[13:13] <BluesKaj> yeah, ok whatever it's called ..it's still a pita ..not working properly in that wrapper
[13:18] <trijntje> Hi all, does anyone have a problem with gnome3? The top bar is blurry and unreadable, and the screen flickers a lot. I have fglrx driver enabled and Unity/unity 2d/ classic gnome all work fine
[13:29] <hasenj> nautilus can't start because 'net usershare info' fails to run
[13:30] <hasenj> http://pastebin.com/U72L9E0w
[13:30] <hasenj> is this a known issue, or just me?
[13:48] <madjoe> I've lost my clock at the top panel :( in new oneiric.. a recent upgrade has removed it
[13:48] <madjoe> Is there a way to get it back?
[13:50] <Stanley00> madjoe: try System Settings. Time and Date setting...
[13:51] <madjoe> Stanley00: will do, thanks
[13:51] <Stanley00> madjoe: np ;)
[13:52] <madjoe> Stanley00: strange... I can't see Time and Date in my System Settings :)
[13:54] <hasenj> re my nautilus problem
[13:55] <hasenj> it looks like samba wasn't installed ..
[13:55] <hasenj> ok, installed it
[13:55] <hasenj> but nautilus still fails
[13:55] <hasenj> (nautilus:10732): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_action_set_visible: assertion `GTK_IS_ACTION (action)' failed
[13:55] <hasenj> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[13:57] <Stanley00> madjoe: hmm... try running this in terminal "gnome-control-center datetime"
[13:58] <madjoe> Stanley00: ** (gnome-control-center:20075): WARNING **: Could not find settings panel "datetime"
[14:00] <Stanley00> madjoe: it's strange, are you using the default DE, I mean unity?
[14:01] <madjoe> Stanley00: I didn't change the defaults... maybe this could help: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/packages/show/368110
[14:05] <Stanley00> madjoe: idk either, when did you update your system?
[14:06] <madjoe> Stanley00: do you know how can I be sure if I have Ubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 installed on my PC?  I used sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -d dist-upgrade after I installed Beta 1, so I'm pretty sure there should be Beta 2 in there already...
[14:06] <madjoe> Stanley00: I updated my system for the last time a few minutes ago.. I keep it updated every here and there.. on daily basis
[14:07] <Stanley00> madjoe: I just updated a few hours ago, and my system is still fine...
[14:08] <shallwe> hi guys
[14:08] <madjoe> Stanley00: did you upgrade it from Beta 1? or is it a vlean Beta 2 installation on your system?
[14:08] <shallwe> someone are using kubuntu 11.10 version netbook ?
[14:08] <shallwe> im lost on this version hahaha, i cant find the main menu for installed programs :(
[14:08] <madjoe> vlean = clean*
[14:08] <Stanley00> madjoe: I update almost daily, from alpha2...
[14:08] <madjoe> omg
[14:09] <madjoe> Stanley00: I remember that an update 2 weeks ago complained that not all updates could be performed, so I needed to disable/remove a few packages.. maybe that's how I got rid of the timedate as well :(
[14:11] <madjoe> is there a way to "restore" some missing default packages? or to review my logs to see the list of all removed packages?
[14:11] <penguin42> madjoe: Try /var/log/dpkg.log
[14:11] <Stanley00> madjoe: there a History in Ubuntu Software Center too...
[14:11] <madjoe> ah, right... checking...
[14:12] <Stanley00> madjoe: did you try reinstalling package indicator-datetime?
[14:12] <madjoe> Stanley00: no
[14:15] <madjoe> There's only a single removed item in a history of Ubuntu Software Center: apache2-mpm-worker :( will check dpkg.log now
[14:17] <madjoe> penguin42: what should I use for grep in my dpkg.log to list all removed packages?
[14:19] <madjoe> hm.. there are lots of half-installed stuff in there... such as compiz-core, libgnome-desktop-3-2 3.2.0-0ubuntu2, etc.
[14:20] <penguin42> madjoe: 'remove' is what my log gets
[14:21] <madjoe> grep remove dpkg.log yields with no results
[14:21] <madjoe> penguin42^^
[14:21] <madjoe> Stanley00: how could I reinstall datetime?
[14:22] <Stanley00> madjoe: try "sudo apt-get --reinstall install indicator-datetime "
[14:24] <madjoe> Stanley00: SUCCESS! :)
[14:24] <Stanley00> madjoe: congrats! ;)
[14:25] <madjoe> Stanley00: can you give me the same hint for the battery indicator as well, please? it's missing from my panel...
[14:25] <Stanley00> madjoe: it's called indicator-power
[14:27] <madjoe> great... I'll have to reboot to see the changes... brb thanks a lot Stanley00
[14:27] <Stanley00> madjoe: you are welcome :)
[14:32] <Suhel> Hi :-)
[14:34] <Suhel> ?
[14:35] <Suhel> Anyone
[14:36] <madjoe> it works! yay!!
[14:36] <Suhel> Yes it works
[14:36] <Suhel> madjoe: hi
[14:36] <madjoe> Suhel: hi
[14:37] <MoMo65> was there suppose to be a RC?
[14:37] <Suhel> madjoe: its my first time here :-)
[14:38] <Suhel> Momo65: donno but 13 is not to far mate :-)
[14:38] <madjoe> nice to meet you, welcome aboard... but it's ubuntu support channel here, not a dating channel :)
[14:38] <madjoe> lol
[14:39] <Suhel> Madjoe: yup I know but I can't see anyone to get support from :-(
[14:40] <madjoe> Suhel: patience my friend, patience... and try to keep your questions simple, but Google it first
[14:41] <Suhel> Madjoe: that's what am trying,  I was diverted here from #ubuntu I'm still tryin to get hold of irc its just the second time am using it
[14:42] <madjoe> got it
[14:43] <Suhel> I wish the final release solves the power consumption bug, I've just started to love ubuntu but this power thing makes me go crazy
[14:45] <bjsnider> the power issues are a linux kernel problem, not an ubuntu per se problem
[14:48] <Suhel> bjsnider: but if a certain version of ubuntu uses that kernel it makes it a ubuntu problem..  normal users like me who have less tech knowledge would obviously think this way
[14:50] <ErickMoreno> anyone else is having problems with a java process that starts time to time and consumes more than 100% of cpu?
[14:50] <penguin42> Suhel: Of course Ubuntu has some kernel guys, but I suspect it's a hard problem - otherwise it would have been solved by now!
[14:50] <ErickMoreno> this it the process:
[14:50] <ErickMoreno> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/java Xbootclasspath/a:/usr/share/icedtea-web/netx.jar:/usr/share/icedtea-web/plugin.jar /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/rt.jar sun.applet.PluginMain /tmp/icedteaplugin-erick/16296-icedteanp-plugin-to-appletviewer /tmp/icedteaplugin-erick/16296-icedteanp-appletviewer-to-plugin
[14:51] <escott> Suhel, there are good reasons the behavior is as it is. they don't want to break one persons machine just to save someone elses battery life. the workaround is well documented, and you should just add it to your /etc/default/grub
[14:51] <bjsnider> i think the power issue was revealed to be something that by, design, is going to be around a long time
[14:51] <Suhel> Penguin42: yup I guess so, I hope they succeed in cracking the code..
[14:53] <Suhel> Escott: really? Can you post me the link of the workaround?  Thats an awesome news
[14:55] <penguin42> ErickMoreno: That looks like something from a website?
[14:57] <ErickMoreno> penguin42,  looks like my home bank site that uses java is burning my laptop
[14:57] <ErickMoreno> penguin42,  the strange thing is that I usually used java form sun
[14:58] <ErickMoreno> but, this time I just installed default java and java plugin (open jdk) and this is burning my pc
[14:58] <escott> Suhel, http://lwn.net/Articles/449448/
[15:02] <Suhel> escott: Thanks ill try it
[15:03] <Suhel> Escott: thanks mate I will try it
[15:18] <DanaG> My question on that PCIe ASPM thing: would it make sense to obey what the BIOS says?
[15:18] <DanaG> That is, if the BIOS says "I don't support it", but enables it anyway on certain ports, then accept:
[15:18] <DanaG> How do you not support it?  YOu've enabled it, so you must support it.
[15:21] <penguin42> Matthew's blog is mostly about lying bioss and dumb things in PCs
[15:34] <allu2> Question, ubuntu one keeps trying to upload same files and download one file and keep announching it to me every now and then, file sizes are all together less then 1mb and it really shoulnd't take this long, is this known problem, any one know how to fix?
[15:34] <BluesKaj> BBL
[15:36] <pythonsnake> what is daemon file ?
[15:39] <penguin42> pythonsnake: Daemon processes are programs that run in the background
[15:39] <penguin42> pythonsnake: They take care of stuff like hot plug of disks and messages between other things
[15:40] <edgy> Hi, when I try to start virt-manager I get
[15:40] <edgy> Error starting domain: internal error Network 'default' is not active.
[15:41] <edgy> pythonsnake, penguin42: a daemon is a background process that never ends
[15:41] <penguin42> well, you can but hope
[15:49] <jbicha> #ubuntuone
[15:50] <jbicha> ^ well I was trying to join that channel but you could try asking your question there
[16:08] <DanaG> argh, since /proc/acpi/thermal_zone no longer exists, I can't tell which of my 5 temperatures (shown in 'sensors') corresponds to which of my 5 thermal zones.
[16:08] <DanaG> So now I get temp1,temp2,temp3,temp4,temp5.  Lovely.
[16:09] <DanaG> I used to get CPUZ,GFXZ,BATZ,LOCZ,DTSZ.
[16:10] <DanaG> Also, is it supposed to be possible to tune the delay before the Ubuntu alt-tab thingy appears?
[16:16] <penguin42> DanaG: What's in /sys/class/hwmon ?
[16:16] <DanaG> http://paste.ubuntu.com/704513/
[16:16] <DanaG> that's "grep . /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon0"
[16:17] <DanaG> hwmon1 just has ueent and device/ and power/ and subsystem/
[16:17] <DanaG> lost a 'v' there.
[16:18] <penguin42> hmm less useful
[16:18] <DanaG> er, and it was grep hwmon0/*
[16:18] <DanaG> Easy way of getting "name:contents"
[16:20] <DanaG> weird... the alt-tab in 11.10 is like in OS X.
[16:20] <DanaG> It's application-based.
[16:20] <DanaG> And alt-` to get window-based.
[16:24] <Ang3> hello ! i got a macbok pro do you know if the touchpad support is better with Oneiric?
[16:24] <penguin42> Ang3: Try the install cd, it lets you try it out without installing
[16:28] <DanaG> I actually kind of like the new alt-tab.
[16:28] <DanaG> Just wish I could tweak the delay.
[16:29] <DanaG> oh, and that whole "disable touchpad while typing" feature in Gnome... I'd love to see Gnome's developers "type" with just the arrow keys.
[16:29] <DanaG> Yeah, it considers the arrow keys "typing".
[16:32] <Ang3> i'll penguin42 i just wanna know before tested it :)
[16:36] <Tixos> did rc1 not get release?
[16:40] <charlie-tca> Tixos: rc1 was replaced by beta2
[16:41] <Tixos> hmm
[16:41] <Tixos> okies :)
[16:42] <Tixos> intel 64bit?
[16:43] <charlie-tca> what about it?
[16:43] <charlie-tca> Is there a question there that I am not seeing?
[16:43] <Tixos> theres no download link ?
[16:44] <jtaylor> there is no intel 64 bit
[16:44] <jtaylor> only amd64
[16:44] <penguin42> same thing
[16:44] <jtaylor> intel chips also run it
[16:44] <jtaylor> well ok there is, ia64 but thats 64 bit only and sucks ^^
[16:45] <Tixos> o right
[16:45] <penguin42> yeh, Intel call it i32e for no apparent reason
[16:46] <charlie-tca> apparently, there is an issue with the text used for both releases and daily-live pages:
[16:47] <charlie-tca> under 64-bit PC (AMD64) desktop CD
[16:47] <charlie-tca> If you have a non-64-bit processor made by AMD, or if you need full support for 32-bit code, use the Intel x86 images instead.
[16:47] <charlie-tca> which seems to say if you have an Intel 64, you don't have a 64bit image to use
[16:47] <penguin42> yeh that's very confusing
[16:48] <jtaylor> you rarely go wrong with 32 bit installations
[16:48] <jtaylor> so its not soo bad advice
[16:49] <charlie-tca> Then the "intel chips also use it" doesn't apply to the AMD64 image?
[16:50] <jtaylor> amd64 runs on most intels
[16:50] <jtaylor> all 64 bit intels that aren't ia64
[16:50] <jtaylor> probably
[16:50] <penguin42> yeh
[16:50] <yofel> I don't get why it was called amd64 in the first place
[16:50] <yofel> the kernel uses x86_64. much less confusing
[16:50] <jtaylor> because amd invented it
[16:50] <jtaylor> yes that is less confusing
[16:51] <penguin42> and lets face it , if you had an ia64 you're going to know about it and not even look
[16:51] <penguin42> still, they're useful for keeping warm in the winter
[16:51] <jtaylor> ^^
[16:51] <jtaylor> and in future there will be another variant: x32 :)
[16:52] <yofel> what was that again?
[16:52] <jtaylor> I hope it comes soon because its quite nice
[16:52] <penguin42> x32 is 64bit but built to use 32 bit address space
[16:52] <jtaylor> a 32 bit abi exposed by a 64 bit kernel
[16:52] <yofel> ...
[16:52] <penguin42> 64bit has a cache penalty, but is faster for some other stuff - x32 is a nie trade off
[16:52] <jtaylor> allowing them to use all 8 registers and still have lower memory consumption
[16:54] <yofel> well, that would be useful I guess. Cache isn't as easy to get as RAM
[16:54] <jtaylor> very useful, cache is a large bottleneck
[16:54] <jtaylor> also 99% of all programs don't need more than 4GB address space
[16:54] <penguin42> and pretty much whenever you make it bigger you make it slower
[16:54] <jtaylor> also you get 4GB addressspace with it not 2 like with i386
[16:55] <penguin42> jtaylor: I'm not sure if there would actually need to be a new distro build - just some stuff in the 64bit built would be built in x32 - e.g. stuff that doesn't benefit - like most programs
[16:56] <Typh> Anyone have an issue with middle click not registering unless done really quickly?
[16:56] <penguin42> seems OK here
[16:57] <Typh> specifically when I try to open a link (firefox, chrome), if I hold it for longer than an instant, nothing happens. Bizarre.
[16:57] <Typh> although I should test with other mice, as it might be a thinkpad issue
[17:19] <dfgsgfd> Fresh installation of Ubuntu 11.10 (RC). Installed proprietary driver for the graphics card. Rebooted. Worked. Yet it still says "No proprietary drivers installed". Any idea why?
[17:33] <brad[]> Anyone here using VMware Workstation 8 in oneiric?
[18:25] <edgy> Hi, I have never used korganizer before but now korganizer -> New Event is disabled, is this a bug?
[18:45] <penguin42> edgy: Just playing with it, I think you have to select a calendar using the ticks at the bottom left first
[18:46] <edgy> penguin42: sorry I don't have buttons on the left bottom, can you show me a screenshot or a menu option?
[18:47] <penguin42> sure just give me a sec
[18:47] <edgy> penguin42: you mean "View -> Month View" e.g?
[18:48] <penguin42> edgy> No
[18:49]  * penguin42 waits for imagebin
[18:49] <penguin42> edgy: http://imagebin.org/178058
[18:49] <penguin42> edgy: See at the bottom left I have 'Personal Calendar' clicked
[18:51] <edgy> penguin42: !!! i don't have those views you have
[18:51] <penguin42> hmm!
[18:51] <edgy> penguin42: how did you launch korganizer?
[18:53] <penguin42> edgy: Just found it on the K menu
[18:57] <edgy> penguin42: me too
[18:57] <edgy> penguin42: let me paste my screenshot for you ...
[18:59] <edgy> penguin42: http://imagebin.org/178059
[18:59] <penguin42> hmm that's a bit more minimal
[19:00] <edgy> penguin42: I also just rm /home/edgy/.kde/share/apps/korganizer/ -rf to reset the settings but nothing changed
[19:00]  * penguin42 doesn't know
[19:01] <penguin42> edgy: My korganizer is 4:4.7.1+git110930-0ubuntu1
[19:02] <edgy> penguin42: mine is 4:4.7.2+git111007-0ubuntu1 which is more updated than you ;)
[19:02]  * penguin42 hasn't run the update this week yet - hmm - I'll  kick it off now
[19:03] <edgy> penguin42: I figured it out
[19:03] <edgy> penguin42: rm .kde/share/config/korganizerrc solved it!
[19:03] <penguin42> hmm - shouldn't need to do something like that - ho hum
[19:09] <yofel> o.O
[19:10] <edgy> penguin42: really appreciate your help
[19:10] <penguin42> no prob
[19:12] <yofel> kdepim has issues on every end TBH. Problem is that 4.7 is the only version that upstream currently supports...
[19:13] <Andy80> hi guys... don't know if this is the right channel where to tell this, but.... I think there is something wrong with Ubuntu Countdown Banner or with Oneiric schedule.... the banner says "8 days to go" while the Oneiric schedule says that it will be released on 13th, who is wrong? Thanks.
[19:14] <edgy> yofel: TBH means what?
[19:14] <yofel> to be honest
[19:14] <yofel> Andy80: from what I know, it should be the 13th
[19:14] <edgy> yofel: aha! thanks
[19:15] <Andy80> yofel: so the banner is wrong :P
[19:15] <FernandoMiguel> hey penguin42 yofel
[19:20] <penguin42> hey
[19:22] <yofel> FernandoMiguel: o/
[19:24] <Tixos> guys, how can i switch to GNOME ? the new login screen, i cant see the option, whats ubuntu 2D supposed to be>?
[19:25] <yofel> is gnome shell or the fallback session installed? By default you only get unity and unity-2d in ubuntu oneiric
[19:25] <Tixos> ewww
[19:25] <rww> !notunity
[19:26] <Tixos> lol thanks
[19:26] <Tixos> i dont know why unity doesnt agree with me, its just so frustrating
[19:31] <Tixos> so in unity, everytime i want to open a window, i have to mess about with the bar on the left??
[19:31] <Tixos> thats going to add hours to my work..
[19:32] <yofel> alt+f2 -> find the app you want and open it?
[19:32] <Tixos> no i mean, say i have 20 tasks running
[19:32] <Tixos> normally they are all in the taskbar at the bottom
[19:33] <yofel> ah, dunno then, I use KDE
[19:33] <Tixos> with unity i have to click each program and mess about with windwos etc
[19:33] <Tixos> so 'Ubuntu Classic' in natty, is GNOME2?
[19:33] <yofel> it is
[19:33] <Tixos> unity just seems like its there for windows migration
[19:33] <Tixos> as a gimick
[19:34] <Tixos> cant believe is the only option in 11.10 by default
[19:35] <yofel> well, gnome2 is unsupported by gnome, so you have the choice between unity or gnome-shell, and unity-2d or gnome-panel fallback mode. I think unity isn't that worst choice there
[19:36] <yofel> s/that worst/the worst/
[19:39] <rww> I've used them all. I'd tend to disagree ^.^
[19:41] <yofel> *shrug* - I'm using KDE, if it breaks I've got Xfce installed as well
[19:41] <yofel> enough for me
[19:41] <Tixos> im reading on it
[19:41] <Tixos>  it's hard not to love the GNOME Shell - particularly if you're working  on a small screen device where the reduced window clutter is a welcome  change.
[19:41] <Tixos> wtf? who wants to run ubuntu on a small screen device lol,
[19:41] <Tixos> this is desktop not tablet
[19:42] <Tixos> seriously, how long does it take to get a window open... i am used to having so many things running, it takes forever to get a window back up
[19:42] <Tixos> the Shell stays out of your way until you need it.
[19:43] <Tixos> i need it all the time!
[19:44] <Suhel_> hi
[19:44] <yofel> yeah, I'm switching windows all the time too
[19:44] <yofel> so I was left with alt+tab while I was trying out gnome-shell
[19:44] <Tixos> yea, what a pain in the ass though,
[19:45] <Tixos> i see there are shortcuts
[19:45] <Tixos> but if ive got my hand on the mouse alot, it makes for a long process to switch windows no?
[19:47] <Tixos> say ive got a program running, with more than one window, ie ive got pidgin running, when i click the pidgin launcher, it shows the chatbox, not the main pidgin window? so how do you go about that
[19:54] <mongy> Tixos: thats the compiz scale effect.  I set a mouse gesture to initiate it for all apps
[19:55] <mongy> then there's plain old alt+tab
[19:57] <bjsnider> Tixos, if you're using gnome-shell you can switch windows and desktop by moving the mouse to the top left corner
[19:57] <Tixos> youve both lost me
[19:58] <Tixos> bjsnider: i dont see that ?
[19:58] <Tixos> top left corner gives me window title bar
[19:58] <bjsnider> ok, you're using unity i think
[19:59] <Tixos> mongy: why would i want to press alt tab 20 times, when i could click the mouse once with a taskbar ?
[19:59] <Tixos> yes its default 11.10
[19:59] <bjsnider> gnome-shell is different that that
[19:59] <Tixos> hmm
[19:59] <bjsnider> you can take a look at some youtube videos of how gnome-shell works
[20:00] <bjsnider> you don't need the keyboard as much with it
[20:00] <Tixos> gnome-shell being GNOME3 yes?
[20:00] <yofel> gnome-shell being gnome3's default shell
[20:00] <yofel> ubuntu uses gnome3 with unity as shell
[20:01] <Tixos> right
[20:01] <bjsnider> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSGfS6K7pI0
[20:02] <bjsnider> that one's not too bad
[20:02] <Tixos> ill view a few vids and come back rant some more :)
[20:23] <Tixos> just from that video it looks like the gnome-shell would eat the unity shell for breakfast?
[20:24] <Tixos> who decide to take the gnome-shell and make it worse? should be fired!
[20:25] <penguin42> Tixos: I don't like either, but I prefer Unity to gnome-shell
[20:25]  * penguin42 pats KDE
[20:27] <bjsnider> it's subjective and based on what you're needs are and how the shell you use facilitates those needs
[20:28] <Tixos> yes bjsnider, but when they say its good for small screen, that worries me from the off lol
[20:28] <Tixos> penguin42: at least gnome-shell gives you somewhere you can see your windows?
[20:29] <Tixos> unity doesnt have this right ?
[20:29] <penguin42> see all of the windows?
[20:30] <Tixos> yea, say i have 20 windows open, in unity the only way to see what i have running/open is to click the program icon?
[20:30] <Tixos> or alt+tab...
[20:30]  * penguin42 admits to not being sure - I thought there was still a way of doing that
[20:31] <Tixos> for me, its a 'core' feature of a PC, being able to manage/see all of your working tasks
[20:32] <Tixos> how you can remove this is beyond me
[20:32] <Tixos> yes the gnome-shell way of 'activities' look still slightly annoying, but at least theres somewhere to view them
[20:33] <krutoileshii> Hi everyone could someone assist me in modifying the driver for RocketRaid 2640x4 to compile under linux kernel 3.0
[20:34]  * Tixos hides
[20:34] <krutoileshii> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RocketRaid
[20:34] <krutoileshii> these instructions get you close, but still need to bypass the kernel version check and actually get it to install. It should copile without problems afer that
[20:42] <krutoileshii> Hi everyone could someone assist me in modifying the driver for RocketRaid 2640x4 to compile under linux kernel 3.0
[20:44] <Tixos> ubuntu wallpaper that everyone must like http://wallpapers.ubuntu4life.com/d/22-1/380232291_d14c618f04_o.jpg
[20:53] <iceroot> Tixos: please stop that here
[20:53] <Tixos> sorry, what else did i need to do to use gnome-shell? i installed the package, and it shows up on login screen
[20:53] <Tixos> i got 'gnome-shell' closed unexpectedly
[20:53] <Tixos> iceroot: ?
[20:57] <javier_> hi! How to upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10? thanks!
[20:57] <bjsnider> update-manager -d
[20:57] <FernandoMiguel> !upgrade > javier_
[20:58] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: will not work if set to LTS :)
[20:58] <Tixos> FernandoMiguel: can you bot me the gnome-shell instructions
[20:59] <Tixos> it froze me totally when i installed the package
[20:59] <Tixos> i think i missed something about a tweaks package?
[20:59] <bjsnider> in a basic sense, you need the gnome-shell package and to select it at the login screen
[21:00] <Tixos> yea i did that
[21:00] <Tixos> and it crashed
[21:00] <javier_> FernandoMiguel: I know some things, but maybe I should and better wait to final release
[21:00] <bjsnider> the code's in pretty good shape right now
[21:00] <andantino> i have noticed on some laptops that the touchpads have a jittery pointer in ubuntu 11.04 but not in fedora
[21:00] <andantino> i wonder if oneiric has solved this problem
[21:01] <Tixos> bjsnider: theres really nothing else to it ? should i just report the bug then ?
[21:02] <bjsnider> what exactly happens?
[21:03] <Tixos> nothing lol, i clicked the new GNOME option from login, and screen just stayed on ubuntu background for 2minutes, then got an error 'gnome-shell' closed unexpectedly
[21:04] <bjsnider> so login to unity and check .xsession-errors
[21:05] <Tixos> wow theres tons...
[21:06] <Tixos> not sure whats relevant
[21:07] <Tixos> mostly unity-2d errors
[21:07] <physically_fit> the left panel needs to be fixed ASAP: sometimes it doens't appear unless i minimize my applications. so i learnt that i have to execute "unity --replace" to fix it. also, i can't find the bug to add myself as affected by it.
[21:07] <physically_fit> just saying
[21:08] <yofel> file a bug yourself? ubuntu-bug unity
[21:08] <physically_fit> yofel,  are you talking to me?
[21:08] <yofel> yes
[21:08] <physically_fit> yofel i bet that bug exists already
[21:08] <physically_fit> but i can't find it
[21:09] <physically_fit> i wonder if someone here knows about it to give me its number
[21:09] <yofel> better file a duplicate than the bug not being filed by anybody
[21:17] <Tixos> gnome-shell doesnt work at all
[21:17] <Tixos> had to REISUB
[21:30] <bjsnider> works great here
[21:30] <physically_fit> what's the official name of the left panel? is it called "launcher"?
[21:38] <physically_fit> i blame ATI
[21:40] <physically_fit> people are not very talkative here, eh?
[22:45] <pooltable> when is lubuntu 11.10 out and xubuntu ?
[22:46] <charlie-tca> !schedule
[22:47] <charlie-tca> We all follow the schedule, 11.10 is due out October 13
[22:48] <pooltable> thanks
[22:48] <bazhang> np
[22:52] <qkumbers> anyone running gnome shell?
[23:17] <bjsnider> qkumbers, i am
[23:25] <qkumbers> bjsnider: were you able to install any extensions? i couldn't even get user-theme to work
[23:40] <bjsnider> yes i was