[00:24] <lost127> i have a number of linux servers (vm's and physical) is there a straightforward way to share home directory contents between them? how do i approach setting something like this up?
[00:28] <Patrickdk> lost127, there are hundreds of ways
[00:28] <Patrickdk> most simple is nfs mount
[00:29] <Patrickdk> harder is using something like a clustering filesystem
[00:46] <RoyK> lost127: the old way is nis/nfs, the new way is ldap/nfs
[00:47] <RoyK> Patrickdk: there aren't hundreds of ways to do that while keeping permissions etc - there are two ways - perhaps more - but not hundreds
[00:47] <Patrickdk> you only listed two
[00:47] <Patrickdk> I listed gfs
[00:48] <Patrickdk> you could use gluster, luster, afs, ...
[00:48] <Patrickdk> hell, even samba :)
[00:48] <RoyK> that's not amusing
[00:48] <Patrickdk> but ya, two things you have to solve
[00:48] <Patrickdk> user id sync, and file sharing
[00:49] <RoyK> meaning either nis or ldap
[00:49] <RoyK> protocol used for sharing is optional
[00:50] <RoyK> but nfs is probably preffered
[00:50] <Patrickdk> I use mysql :)
[00:50] <Patrickdk> mysql tied into pam
[00:50] <RoyK> preferred, even
[00:50] <Patrickdk> evil isn't it?
[00:50] <RoyK> mysql is a dumb-ass database
[00:51] <RoyK> use postgresql if you want a real dbms
[00:51] <Patrickdk> I thought about converting it to ldap, but it really isn't worth the hassle
[00:51] <RoyK> mysql is nothing but a hack
[00:51] <Patrickdk> why do I need a real dbms?
[00:51] <RoyK> works well for small systems, but sucks at large ones
[00:51] <Patrickdk> I'm getting hundreds of thousands of transactions per sec from mysql
[00:52] <qman__> where mysql really falls flat is when you need more than one server
[00:52] <RoyK> Patrickdk: mysql has several issues for large scale transaction databases
[00:52] <qman__> unless things have changed since I last worked with it
[00:53] <Patrickdk> qman, nope, still only have one option for replication
[00:53] <RoyK> Patrickdk: except postgresql?
[00:54] <RoyK> Patrickdk: which even has sync support for every transaction
[00:54] <dkn> running into some trouble loading a intel SSD into my raid array
[00:54] <Patrickdk> royk, ya, but why do I need sync support for every transaction?
[00:54] <Patrickdk> if I want sync support, I would turn it on, if I don't, turn it off
[00:55] <Patrickdk> I defently don't want to force that on the db's I use
[00:55] <Patrickdk> as they don't have to be consistant or reliable
[00:55] <RoyK> Patrickdk: you don't have to, but it's rather neat if you want to keep your data clean
[00:55] <Patrickdk> my heavy traffic mysql servers are like scratch pads
[00:56] <RoyK> Patrickdk: postgresql is a real dbms, mysql is a hack
[00:56] <Patrickdk> so far, everytime I hit a performance issue with mysql, it was bad application programming
[00:56] <Patrickdk> nothing worse that locating php code that loops over a table, then loops over the table again inside that loop
[00:57] <Patrickdk> and that code is called from cron every min
[00:58] <RoyK> Patrickdk: for large databases, say a few hundred gigs, mysql can lose its tolerance with a single unexpected reboot. that doesn't happen to postgresql
[00:59] <RoyK> mysql is a dirty hack, not a good DBMS
[00:59] <Patrickdk> was this on ext3?
[00:59] <RoyK> or ext4
[00:59] <Patrickdk> ok royk, your repeating yourself
[00:59] <RoyK> Patrickdk: I may say it again if you like
[00:59] <Patrickdk> you already did 3 times
[00:59] <Patrickdk> and I never said I didn't agree that mysql isn't a hack
[01:00] <RoyK> ok, mysql is a dirty hack
[01:00] <Patrickdk> but it still performs well
[01:00] <RoyK> it surely does
[01:00] <RoyK> so does postgresql
[01:00] <Patrickdk> and in my 10+ years of using it, I haven't once had it crap out and die
[01:00] <Patrickdk> now, my biggest mysql db is about 25gigs though
[01:01] <RoyK> probably not a transactional database
[01:01] <Patrickdk> it is
[01:01] <Patrickdk> it's heavy transactions for that database
[01:01] <RoyK> using mysql for a random transactional database seems to me a VERY bad idea
[01:02] <RoyK> myisam uses table locking
[01:02] <Patrickdk> why?
[01:02] <Patrickdk> there is your issue :)
[01:02] <Patrickdk> myisam doesn't support transactions
[01:02] <Patrickdk> therefor you don't do transactions on myisam
[01:02] <RoyK> innodb has row blocking, but has rather bad issues
[01:02] <Patrickdk> haven't had issues with innodb at all
[01:02] <Patrickdk> it's just a ram hog
[01:03] <RoyK> postgresql doesn't use much memory - it leaves it to the system to do the caching
[01:03] <RoyK> which is good, with modern systems
[01:04] <RoyK> 10-20 years ago, a database needed to do the caching on its own, because the filesystem/buffers weren't good enough
[01:04] <RoyK> now that has changed
[03:34] <chronos> Good night.
[03:34] <chronos> All of guys here use ubuntu server in production servers without any prob?
[03:35] <chronos> I need to mount a new server for my work that will use python 2.7 and ubuntu already have it native.
[03:35] <chronos> but people like debian and I'm trying to search points of comparisson to use ubuntu server instead debian
[03:36] <lost127> points of comparisson really boil down to project philosophy and ease of use.
[03:36] <lost127> between debian vs ubuntu
[03:37] <lost127> ubuntu is debian with a little more polishing to make it shine a bit more.
[03:52] <qman__> in production, one of the biggest advantages of ubuntu is LTS releases
[03:53] <qman__> you can count on keeping the same major versions but still have security updates
[03:55] <qman__> they're basically the same in many ways, since, as mentioned, ubuntu is debian based
[03:55] <qman__> the differences are mostly in packaging, releases, and such
[09:09] <koolhead17> hi all
[13:31] <Daviey> adam_g / RoAkSoAx: don't suppose you are around?
[14:04] <Daviey> smoser: around?
[15:16] <dkn> i changed out both the drives on my raid-1 boot drive, they resync'ed fine, i did however move them to different sata ports then the original, is that why nothing is loading when i reboot the server?
[15:19] <RoyK> any idea how I can change the default home directory path from /home/ to somewhere else
[15:20] <pmatulis> RoyK: when creating new users you mean?
[15:20] <RoyK> found it - /etc/default/useradd
[15:25] <dkn> ok i made sure the bios was pointing to the right boot drive... but i still get a blinking cursor after the bios detects all the disks.... do i have to update grub?
[15:26] <RoyK> dkn: is grub installed on that drive?
[15:26] <dkn> ahhh.... i guess not, ahh dang... i created the partitions, then added it to the array, i assumed the resync process would do the grub stuff
[15:29] <dkn> is it easier to do it from a live desktop usb stick or a server recovery cd?
[15:29] <RoyK> rsync works on the filesystem - grub is outside of that
[16:03] <ertyui> hi
[16:03] <ertyui> how to set date  on command line
[16:03] <ertyui> ?
[16:03] <RoyK> man date
[16:05] <ertyui> yes
[16:05] <ertyui> date how to set ?
[16:05] <RoyK> http://i.imgur.com/fNZk5.jpg
[16:06] <RoyK> ertyui: the manual says that quite clearly :)
[16:07] <ertyui> lol
[16:08] <ertyui> i dont understand the manual
[16:09] <RoyK>        -s, --set=STRING
[16:09] <RoyK>               set time described by STRING
[16:11] <ertyui> just a sec
[16:12] <ertyui> this is what i done
[16:12] <ertyui> date -s “25 DEC 2008 13:45:00″
[16:13] <ertyui> this is what i got
[16:13] <ertyui> for that : http://paste.ubuntu.com/704511/
[16:14] <RoyK> then read the error message - it says 'Recognized formats for TIME.....'
[16:14] <ertyui> well how to written this one in number ? 	[[[[[YY]YY]MM]DD]hh]mm[.ss]
[16:15] <RoyK> ertyui: transfer $100 to my account and I'll give you a one-liner for that
[16:15] <RoyK> YYYY is the year in four digits ... [something] is something that may be omitted
[16:15] <RoyK> etc
[16:18] <ertyui> this one not working
[16:18] <ertyui> date -s 2011-10-08 18:01[:30]
[16:18] <dkn> ah,,, can i run rescue mode from a server usb stick?
[16:19] <RoyK> try without [:30]
[16:19] <RoyK> dkn: yes
[16:19] <dkn> i'm stuck at the load cd drivers, and load files from cd
[16:20]  * RoyK can only conclude that good old PCI sucks rather badly on performance
[16:20] <ertyui> same error
[16:20] <ertyui> date -s 2011-10-08 18:01
[16:23] <RoyK> add quotes around the date
[16:23] <RoyK> date -s "asdf"
[16:26] <ertyui> perfect RoyK
[16:26] <iToast> hey
[16:26] <iToast> i have a ubuntu server 8.4
[16:26] <ertyui> can we talk about firmware here ?
[16:27] <iToast> How do i setup a damn static ip >:C
[16:27] <ertyui> is it easy to build firmware based on ubuntu ?
[16:27] <RoyK> iToast: /etc/network/interfaces
[16:27] <RoyK> !interfaces
[16:27] <iToast> ...
[16:28] <iToast> RoyK: i tried.
[16:28] <iToast> what do i put for network?
[16:28] <RoyK> iToast: the network address ;)
[16:28] <iToast> Ill tell you want i want and know...
[16:28] <iToast> 192.168.2.4 192.168.2.1 192.168.2.255
[16:28] <RoyK> iToast: pastebin your current interfaces file
[16:28] <RoyK> !pastebin
[16:28] <iToast> i can't?
[16:28] <iToast> the machine its on isnt able to get on the web.
[16:29] <RoyK> my guess is your network will be 192.168.2.0
[16:29] <iToast> Tried
[16:29] <iToast> said it cant put it up.
[16:29] <RoyK> driver issue?
[16:29] <RoyK> try setting the address manually - ifconfig eth0 192.168.2.4
[16:30] <iToast> ok
[16:30] <iToast> the drivers are fine
[16:30] <iToast> it reconizes every bit of hardware :)
[16:30] <ertyui> can you do this two line iToast
[16:30] <ertyui> ifup eth0
[16:30] <ertyui> then /etc/init.d/network restart
[16:31] <ertyui> then ping the your ip
[16:31] <RoyK> ertyui: no need for the ifup first
[16:31] <ertyui> yes
[16:31] <RoyK> and it's /etc/init.d/networking restart
[16:31] <ertyui> can you do
[16:32] <ertyui> cat /etc/issue please
[16:32] <ertyui> and paste it here
[16:32] <RoyK> ertyui: are you drunk?
[16:32] <iToast> that didnt work
[16:32] <iToast> ertyui: i cant....
[16:32] <iToast> -_-
[16:33] <iToast> my main box is windows, my first server is windows
[16:33] <iToast> My new webserver is ubuntu
[16:33] <RoyK> iToast: any particular reason for using hardy?
[16:33] <RoyK> that is, 8.04
[16:33] <iToast> RoyK: Just what i had on hand, and it works with everything i have
[16:33] <RoyK> iToast: ok
[16:34] <RoyK> iToast: 10.04 is the latest LTS release - should work too - but then - hardy works well as well
[16:34] <iToast> i have network netmask adress broadcast and gateway sent.
[16:34] <ertyui> well RoyK is it easy to build firmware ?
[16:34] <ertyui> for router ?
[16:34] <iToast> it tells me  that im missing some lines....
[16:34] <iToast> now
[16:34] <iToast> The ubuntu wiki isnt even helpful since its impossible to get through
[16:34] <ertyui> iToast:
[16:34] <ertyui> what tell missing ?
[16:34] <RoyK> iToast: can you please try to pastebin the /etc/network/interfaces file? even if you have to type it
[16:35] <iToast> cant D:
[16:35] <iToast> its just a default config changed to static from DHCP
[16:35] <ertyui> if you can't go away iToast
[16:35] <iToast> ...
[16:35] <ertyui> lol
[16:35] <ertyui> seriously you asking for help and don't want to cooporate
[16:36] <ertyui> that's not cool
[16:36] <ertyui> really
[16:36] <iToast> ...
[16:36] <RoyK> iToast: set eth0 auto and correct address and never mind the rest - that should allow you to connect to the machin on the LAN
[16:36] <iToast> RoyK: What do you mean?
[16:36] <RoyK> or auto eth0
[16:36] <iToast> in the interfaces file it has auto eth0
[16:37] <RoyK> iToast: I mean 'auto eth0' ..... 'inet static' ..... address 192.168.2.whatever
[16:37] <RoyK> and restart networking
[16:37] <RoyK> or reboot
[16:37] <iToast> RoyK: and it will do the rest...?
[16:37] <iToast> Il try
[16:37] <RoyK> you can do the gateway and network and netmask etc later
[16:53] <ertyui> hello anyone
[16:54] <ertyui> RoyK: i setup the time
[16:54] <ertyui> but if i reboot my box
[16:54] <oakbox> Hi all, does anyone here have knowedge on noip2 and using it to update bind?  I have a script that will update bind and noip will run it when ever my ip changes.  The problem im having is I then have to restart bind manually, which defeats the object!
[16:54] <ertyui> i have to set the date again
[16:54] <ertyui> anyone other way to sync it ?
[16:55] <ertyui> automatically ?
[16:55] <oakbox> ertyui, you could use a NTP (i think) service to sync your time to...
[16:56] <RoyK> ertyui: apt-get install ntp
[16:56] <RoyK> ertyui: please try to google first - the answers are all there :P
[16:57] <ertyui> ok thanks
[16:57] <dkn> i'm still stuck trying to install grub to my new raid disks
[16:58] <dkn> all the articles assume you're doing a regular HD..
[17:00] <dkn> or you're creating a new array
[17:00] <RoyK> dkn: raid what_
[17:00] <RoyK> ?
[17:00] <dkn> i had a raid 1, i changed out one disk, let it sync back
[17:01] <dkn> then changed out the second disk, let it sync back
[17:01] <RoyK> iirc linux needs a separate /boot partition for the boot
[17:01] <RoyK> dunno if grub understands md
[17:01] <RoyK> sorry
[17:01] <RoyK> it does
[17:01] <dkn> it's supposed to understand raid 1 i think...
[17:01] <RoyK> but it needs to be raid-1
[17:02] <dkn> check
[17:03] <oakbox> No takers for help with restarting bind from a script without privileges? :)
[17:04] <dkn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID i'm trying to run grub-install /dev/sde, but i get this... http://pastebin.comQsSYr01V
[17:04] <dkn> sorry http://pastebin.com/QsSYr01V
[17:08]  * RoyK listens to The Asylium Years
[17:09] <oakbox> dkn, silly question but does /dev/sde exist on your system?
[17:09] <RoyK> as for what oakbox said - cat /proc/partitions
[17:09] <dkn> yup, it's showing up in fdisk -l with the two partitions, 4gb swap partition, and 70gb root partition,
[17:10] <dkn> also shows in /proc/partitions, and gparted
[17:11] <dkn> weird hunh?
[17:11] <dkn> both the server, and the live stick are 10.04 lts
[17:12]  * RoyK is down to 43˚C ib his drives after installing a fan......
[17:12] <RoyK> s/ib/on/
[17:13] <RoyK> it was close to 70˚C last night :P
[17:13] <patdk-lap> heh
[17:14] <RoyK> 70˚C doesn't seem too good for most drives :P
[17:14] <dkn> any takers? really need to get this system up and running
[17:15] <dkn> installing grub to disks already in a raid set that you can't boot into yet
[17:16] <patdk-lap> hmm, my drives are pretty consistant, in this case, 35-37
[17:16] <GeekyAdam> hi all. can't get teamspeak-server to work. i do "sudo apt-get install teamspeak-server", it installs, seems to be up and working, i can log into it from my desktop with http://server.ip:14534 and change settings and users, but i cant connect with a teamspeak client and on the server when i do "nmap localhost" i dont see any teamspeak port(s) open.
[17:18] <RoyK> GeekyAdam: wtf - has teamspeak gone open?
[17:19] <RoyK> GeekyAdam: try mumble
[17:19] <GeekyAdam> RoyK: what do you mean? open-source? i dont think so. found it in default repos though
[17:19] <GeekyAdam> RoyK: i'd like to get TS working if possible.
[17:19] <RoyK> GeekyAdam: try mumble - it's better
[17:20] <GeekyAdam> RoyK: how so?
[17:21] <RoyK> seems teamspeak has changed license to BSD
[17:21] <RoyK> that's good :)
[17:22] <RoyK> erm
[17:22] <RoyK> no
[17:23] <RoyK> GeekyAdam: mumble is open and free and utilizes speex
[17:23] <GeekyAdam> i have a feeling its something on my end or a server-side setting because i recently tried to get a Q3A server up and all looked fine, but the server didn't open any ports just like now...any ideas why that might [not] happen when installing a piece of server software on ubuntu server?
[17:23] <RoyK> that's a good gaming voip thing
[17:23] <GeekyAdam> RoyK: whats the max users?
[17:23] <RoyK> no max users
[17:23] <RoyK> max == what your server/connection can handle
[17:24] <RoyK> so if your machine can handle 1k users, well, fine
[17:24] <oakbox> GeekyAdam, have you checked things like firewalls?
[17:25] <GeekyAdam> oakbox: i've checked my desktops firewall, no problems there...i never installed one on the server, it doesnt install one by default does it?
[17:27] <oakbox> not sure tbh ;)  check your iptables on the server would be my first place to look...
[17:30] <GeekyAdam> i was afraid of that. i have no experience with iptables. i thought ubuntu-server kind of always did that on its own when isntalling software from repos?
[17:46] <koolhead17> GeekyAdam: Ubuntu is different :P
[17:55] <GeekyAdam> koolhead17: how so?
[17:56] <koolhead17> Ubuntu is about simplifying things :)
[17:56] <koolhead17> RoyK: hody
[17:56] <koolhead17> *howdy
[17:57] <GeekyAdam> koolhead17: right, which is why ubuntu automatically sets up iptables when installing a software package from repos, right?
[17:57] <RoyK> koolhead17: hi
[17:58] <koolhead17> GeekyAdam: i have not used iptables so cant say about that :P
[19:38] <dkn> wow that was fun....
[19:38] <dkn> fyi, server recovery doesn't work on a usb stick....
[19:39] <dkn> and reinstalling grub on a server with 16 disks is really really confusing
[21:07] <dkn> if my routes are all pointing to the right interface, br0, and br0 has an ip, why wouldn't my network connection be working? i can't even ping my router
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[22:21] <JanC> all of 5 minutes?
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[22:32] <koolhead17> that was quick