[06:14] <GirlyGirl> Morning
[06:15] <MartijnVdS> \o
[06:21] <czajkowski> aloha
[06:42] <AlanBell> oh dear czajkowski
[06:42] <czajkowski> best not to come near me
[06:42] <czajkowski> foul form
[07:24] <JGJones> CYMRU AM BYTH!
[07:43] <pepito> good morning!
[08:17] <pr0ph3t> morning all
[08:20] <pr0ph3t> I'm having some problems uploading my music on ubuntu one from oneric, can anybody help me out please?
[08:21] <pr0ph3t> I have 2.9 Gb of music to upload but it always stops syncing before really completing the upload
[08:22] <pr0ph3t> it says file sync is up to date but it's not
[08:24] <pepito> anzone know how to join the mailing list_
[08:30] <Andres-kain> good morning. i hope someone got good night sleep
[08:31] <dwatkins> I think I did, not sure though - still waking up.
[08:32] <czajkowski> pr0ph3t: ask in #ubuntuone but it's a saturday and very early in the morning
[08:33] <pr0ph3t> czajkowski, thanks
[08:33] <pr0ph3t> anyone else getting the same issue?
[08:35] <Myrtti> meh, I should pack...
[08:36] <dwatkins> pr0ph3t: I don't know much about it, but have you tried form the command line, in case it gives you a more useful error to google?
[08:38] <pr0ph3t> dwatkins, I was not aware of a command line version, or do you mean starting it from the command line?
[08:39] <dwatkins> I believe so, pr0ph3t: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man1/u1sdtool.1.html
[08:40] <dwatkins> I only have ssh or very slow graphical access to my Ubuntu 10.10 machine, being 450 miles away from it, but this reminds me I should set up a directory to sync with it.
[08:40]  * Myrtti likes SpiderOak
[08:41] <dwatkins> Ah yes, I was planning on trying that out too, thanks Myrtti.
[08:41] <dwatkins> Does anyone currently using SpiderOak want to give me a code so they might get free additional storage or something?
[08:44] <Myrtti> sure
[08:45] <Myrtti> dwatkins: https://spideroak.com/download/referral/eb01e09153ee18dd6133848a1d597e60
[08:45] <Myrtti> you get additional storage too with it
[08:46] <dwatkins> thanks Myrtti :)
[08:48] <pr0ph3t> why not Ubuntu One Myrtti?
[08:50] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[08:50] <Andres-kain> morning
[08:51] <Myrtti> pr0ph3t: encryption
[08:51] <popey> should banshee be able to see the music on my iphone?
[08:51] <popey> I'm pretty sure it did in the past
[08:52] <Andres-kain> it did with my itouch i seem to recall.
[08:53] <popey> ta
[08:53]  * popey does some bug chasing
[08:54] <Myrtti> backpain doesn't bode well for the flight
[08:54] <Myrtti> :-(
[08:55] <Andres-kain> ryan air booking worked?
[08:55] <Myrtti> yeah
[08:55] <Myrtti> second time a charm
[08:56] <Andres-kain> did the price go up second time? heard rumour about that...
[08:56] <Andres-kain> something to do with cookies
[08:56] <Andres-kain> might have been fud
[08:58] <Andres-kain> again, 11.10 celebrateubuntu youtube is video very good. shared it loads.
[09:00] <Andres-kain> olaya waking up second time singing. priceless.
[09:00] <Andres-kain> bye!
[09:02] <Myrtti> meh
[09:02] <Myrtti> yeah, booking prices do actually go up because of cookies on Ryanair, when you are reserving
[09:02] <Myrtti> I fortunately were checking in.
[09:05] <pepito> lol @ Andres-kain.... I think I finally hit the sack around 2:30
[09:06] <constrictor> are there xubuntu 11.10 users here?
[09:08] <pepito> okay I am a brandnew ubuntu user (11.4) and I gotta say I am BLOWN AWAY
[09:08] <constrictor> pepito: in a good way or a bad way
[09:09] <pepito> just discovered and installed it last night, quite by happenstance out of frustration stemming from the evilness that is Windows....@ constrictor -in a GOOD way-
[09:10] <pepito> but I do have a TON of questions
[09:10] <constrictor> pepito: I suppose you're in the right place
[09:10] <pepito> lol I think so
[09:11] <pepito> last night was already a huge help, just getting it installed, thanks to Andres-kain and Pernig (sp?)
[09:11] <pepito> I can't stop being amazed by this
[09:11] <pepito> but I keep hitting some brick walls, and I think it is mostly because I am extremely IT illiterate
[09:12] <constrictor> happens to the best of us
[09:12] <constrictor> any particular issues you have?
[09:13] <pepito> :)   like for example, I cannot play any of my music with banshee (lots of wma files, lots of mp4 files, but even mp3 files wont play) but they will play in the movie player
[09:13] <pepito> I downloaded the plugins that were automatically found, but after doing so I got a message saying they were insufficient
[09:14] <pepito> youtube videos wont play without a plug in, but I get a message saying there is no plug in to be found for flash player
[09:14] <constrictor> have you installed a package called ubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[09:15] <pepito> no.  and I am wincing right now because it sounds really technical and as much as I would like to learn about this stuff I get clueless.   Pernig had to walk me through literally step by step last night#
[09:15] <pepito> where do I find ubuntu restricted extras?
[09:16] <constrictor> just start up your synaptic package manager and type in the search ubuntu-restricted
[09:16] <constrictor> that should find it
[09:16] <brobostigon> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras in terminal.
[09:16] <pepito> the synaptic package manager is... :-S
[09:16] <pepito> what used to be the windows button?
[09:16] <constrictor> that's it brobostigon, i was going for the GUI approach
[09:17] <brobostigon> constrictor: ok, good point, maybe better.
[09:17] <constrictor> click on the ubuntu icon, for the applications
[09:17] <pepito> okay done
[09:17] <constrictor> or perhaps it's the button called system not sure
[09:17] <constrictor> i don't use gnome
[09:18] <constrictor> let me know how you get on
[09:18] <brobostigon> or from terminal, gksudo synaptic
[09:18] <pepito> I am really confused
[09:19] <pepito> think of me as a drooling three year old
[09:19] <brobostigon> pepito: hit the button in the top left, in the search, type synaptic.
[09:19] <pepito> okay got it!
[09:19] <constrictor> good now search for ubuntu-restricted-extras
[09:20] <pepito> done
[09:20] <pepito> four options pop up
[09:20] <pepito> 3 look the same
[09:21] <pepito> on says ubuntu-restricted-addons
[09:21] <constrictor> are you able to list them out here for us
[09:21] <pepito> I assume it is not that one
[09:21] <constrictor> nah you want the one that says ubuntu-restricted-extras
[09:21] <pepito> the other three all say ubuntu-restricted-extras and have the number 43 next to them
[09:21] <pepito> whatdoes the number mean?
[09:21] <pepito> ah okay, latest version...
[09:22] <pepito> nevermind
[09:22] <pepito> so they are probably all the same program?
[09:22] <constrictor> they are all the same but for different desktop environments
[09:23] <constrictor> you don't want the kubuntu-restricted-extras nor xubuntu-restricted-extras you want the one that starts with only U
[09:23] <constrictor> so ubuntu-restricted-extras
[09:23] <pepito> okay I didnt even notice the lettering difference...
[09:24] <pepito> thanks for that
[09:24] <constrictor> :)
[09:24] <pepito> I can build beautiful wood furniture in my sleep, and am really good at drawing.    Just to make myself feel better :)
[09:25] <pepito> okay it says I will have to remove some other applications.   should be okay, right?
[09:25] <pepito> libavcodec52
[09:25] <pepito> and
[09:26] <pepito> libavutil50
[09:26] <constrictor> I believe that should be alright, they will be replaced by something else
[09:26] <pepito> okay.   I marked it for installation, and it automatically checkmarked the addons as well.  I assume it knows what it is doing
[09:27] <constrictor> it should be replaced by libavcodec-extra-52
[09:28] <constrictor> and libavutil50 will be replaced by labavutil-extra-50 consider them as upgrades
[09:28] <pepito> I can only aspire to be as on the ball with this kind of stuff as you guys.   how you retain this kind of stuff I can only guess comes with lots of experience
[09:28] <pepito> okay so once I have marked them as downloads it does the rest automatically?  or do I need to initiate the installation process
[09:29] <brobostigon> pepito: it has taken a decade, and i am still learning, everyday.
[09:29] <pepito> ?
[09:29] <constrictor> pepito: it comes with time I think
[09:29] <constrictor> you need to click apply at the top
[09:30] <pepito> awesome
[09:30] <constrictor> there will be some windows opening randomly to confirm that you accept some license of some sort, i think it's for fonts just tick the box and click forward when it comes up
[09:30] <pepito> I really appreciate this stuff
[09:31] <constrictor> I also appreciated it when I was new
[09:31] <pepito> I can't stop being amazed at this entire world of ubuntu, not just an amazingly well designed OS but the entire community behind it and the principles on which it all operaties
[09:31] <pepito> linux, all of it.
[09:32] <pepito> I had no idea it had ever existed until last night
[09:32] <pepito> all i ever knew about was mac and windows
[09:32] <constrictor> :)
[09:32] <constrictor> there's a really helpful wiki too
[09:32] <Andres-kain> yep felling never left me either. i became a real pain to my friends.
[09:33] <pepito> o/ andres-kain
[09:33] <pepito> thought you left again
[09:33] <Andres-kain> i just posted 7 times a video from celebrateubuntu.
[09:33] <pepito> lol
[09:33] <Andres-kain> left but now on a short break from chores.
[09:34] <pepito> I want to watch the youtube vids but they wont play yet
[09:34] <Andres-kain> how are you getting along?
[09:34] <popey> pepito: ubuntu-restricted-extras will install adobe flash
[09:34] <popey> pepito: which will mean you can watch youtube videos
[09:34] <Andres-kain> go to youtube.com\html5
[09:34] <popey> (if you haven't instaleld it already)
[09:34] <constrictor> hi popey
[09:34] <popey> hello
[09:34] <Andres-kain> and say you want to opt in.
[09:34] <pepito> I am trying to glean as much info as I can from various sources -that is really good to know popey- without questioning the room here to death
[09:35] <pepito> the problem is its mostly written by techies for techies and it is entirely over my head lol
[09:36] <constrictor> i wish bbc i player would do the HTML5 thing too
[09:36] <Andres-kain> i think next time you install ubuntu (for a friend) check a box that says "third party" software to install
[09:36] <popey> constrictor: they do, technically :D
[09:36] <popey> constrictor: I use get_iplayer
[09:36] <Andres-kain> for bbc i use get-iplayer
[09:36] <constrictor> how do I get_iplayer
[09:37] <constrictor> repo?
[09:37] <popey> it is, but thats old
[09:37] <popey> there's a git repo
[09:37] <Andres-kain> bbc now have a linux client as well for downloads
[09:37] <popey> you also need flvstreamer or rtmpdump if you want to get HD stream dumps
[09:37] <pepito> @Andres-kain: I entered that address in my bar and it says it doesnt exist
[09:38] <popey> pepito: slash is the wrong way round
[09:38] <constrictor> Andres-kain: that's an adobe AIR application I think
[09:38] <popey> youtube.com/html5
[09:38] <Andres-kain> might have typed it wrong. www.youtube.com/html5
[09:38] <pepito> okay
[09:38] <Andres-kain> opt in.
[09:38] <popey> not all videos work in html5 on youtube though
[09:38] <popey> best to just install ubuntu-restricted-extras then you get flash, and can watch any video
[09:39] <Andres-kain> and you will be able to see most except the ones with ads. so win win
[09:39] <popey> well, not win if you actually want to watch those videos :D
[09:39] <gord> i have html5 mode enabled *and* flash installed :) generally a good idea to install flash
[09:39] <popey> ya
[09:40] <popey> oo yay, compiz crash
[09:40] <pepito> okay I just opted in.   what is it exactly?   a better player?
[09:40] <Andres-kain> if you do not want to get into free-libre software dilemas. i do not have flash. but lets not go there.
[09:41] <popey> pepito: have you installed ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[09:41] <pepito> yes
[09:41] <Andres-kain> html5 is kinda like an advanced web language. you opted to translate flash language to html5 (html5 is open source flash isn't)
[09:42] <popey> one step at a time
[09:42] <Andres-kain> yes. sorry i'll leave you in popey's capable hands
[09:42] <Andres-kain> best get flash for starters.
[09:43] <Andres-kain> times up. see you!
[09:44] <ali1234> "normal" people that i know are starting to appear on google+
[09:44] <popey> heh
[09:44] <popey> same here
[09:46] <pepito> okay okay
[09:46] <pepito> sorry I got distracted by my midget
[09:47] <pepito> (midget=3 yo son)
[09:48] <pepito> so heres another question, already
[09:48] <gord> no one fills out the about section on google + so i have no idea who half the people that add me are :(
[09:48] <pepito> I am new to irc chat since last night, but I can already tell I will on here a lot
[09:49] <ali1234> gord: you just keep saying that because you want more people to add you...
[09:49] <pepito> from the ubuntu uk website they mentioned using other programs to get on the chat (it IS kind of a pain in the ass to use the webbrowser)
[09:49] <pepito> so I began exploring those options and I got confused.
[09:49] <pepito> that happens easily
[09:50] <pepito> what is the best way to set up irc use and access for frequent and easy use?
[09:50] <ali1234> it depends
[09:51] <pepito> on what exactly?
[09:51] <ali1234> on your preferences
[09:51] <ali1234> and what your idea of "easy" means
[09:51] <brobostigon> i have irssi + bitlbee inside byobu, on my vps.
[09:51] <popey> pepito: xchat-gnome
[09:52] <popey> is generally considered easy for beginners to ubuntu
[09:52] <brobostigon> agreed.
[09:52] <pepito> easy means my kid could figure it out.  then I have a fighting chance
[09:53] <pepito> xchat-gnome.  okay googling now
[09:53] <ali1234> there are basically 4 options
[09:53] <ali1234> if you want it to be super easy xchat-gnome is best
[09:53] <ali1234> if you want it to look nice, then empathy
[09:54] <brobostigon> also nice gnoem3 integration with empathy, :
[09:54] <brobostigon> gnome3*
[09:54] <ali1234> if you want it to look kind of nice but still work, then pidgin
[09:54] <ali1234> and if you want it to run in a shell then irssi
[09:54] <pepito> okay good point.  I noticed the empathy messaging
[09:54] <pepito> I figured out how to sync it with FB
[09:54] <ali1234> empathy has irc support but it is pretty much worthless
[09:54] <pepito> but thats as far as I got
[09:55] <pepito> I assume I can connect it to various other chats, like irc
[09:55] <ali1234> yeah
[09:55] <ali1234> not as many as pidgin though
[09:55] <Myrtti> empathy is fairly horrible IRC client
[09:56] <Myrtti> pidgin is moderately so
[09:56] <Myrtti> xchat-gnome is an improvement, xchat is ok.
[09:56] <ali1234> pidgin has many nice features not present in any of the other "multiple IM" clients
[09:56] <pepito> so to summarize, simply xchat-gnome is best in terms of easiness
[09:56] <Myrtti> pretty much yeah
[09:56] <ali1234> xchat-gnome comes preconfigured to connect to this channel, so it's pretty easy
[09:56] <ali1234> i don't think we ever figured out *why*, but there you go
[09:57] <pepito> will xchat-gnome sync other chat formats too, like FB?
[09:57] <ali1234> no
[09:57] <ali1234> irc only
[09:57] <pepito> okay, no big loss
[09:57] <ali1234> other than it being preconfigured, it isn't particularly easy to use
[09:57] <pepito> I dont often chat on FB anyway
[09:57] <brobostigon> you could connect it to a bitlbee server. to get those other protocols. ?
[09:57] <ali1234> or you could just install pidgin
[09:57] <pepito> so I am looking at a website about it, and it is unfortunately full of jargon I dont quite grasp
[09:58] <pepito> xchat-gnome packages can be obtained from repositories of almost all GNU/Linux/Unix/*BSD distributions that offer the GNOME desktop environment, so see your package management softwar
[09:58] <pepito> what the hell does that mean???
[09:58] <popey> pepito: Ubuntu Software Centre
[09:58] <popey> open that, search for xchat
[09:58] <popey> thats the "package management software"
[09:59] <jacobw> pidgin can do facebook chat
[09:59] <pepito> okay okay....
[09:59] <pepito> so I have already in my system...
[09:59] <pepito> what is listed here?
[09:59] <popey> some of it
[09:59] <pepito> or are these only reccomendations based off my search?
[09:59] <ali1234> you have empathy already
[09:59] <popey> the software centre is a place where you can install new stuff
[10:00] <pepito> ok
[10:00] <popey> in ubuntu we tend to recommend people use that
[10:00] <pepito> ok
[10:00] <popey> rather then pick software from random websites found via a google search
[10:00] <pepito> aside from it being apparently much more intuitive and user friendly is there a particular reason why it is more reccomendable?
[10:00] <pepito> (Im thinking safety issues maybe?)
[10:00] <popey> upates
[10:01] <popey> you will get security and bug updates
[10:01] <ali1234> the software in software centre has been "approved" by ubuntu developers
[10:01] <popey> which you wont get if you install from a random 3rd party website
[10:01] <ali1234> possibly not directly, however there is a chain of trust
[10:01] <popey> that too :D
[10:01] <pepito> aha ok that is really cool
[10:01] <popey> it also makes stuff easy to remove
[10:02] <ali1234> btw software centre and synaptic both get packages from the same place
[10:02] <popey> so you can install all those chat clients via the software centre, and if you dont like them, remove them
[10:02] <ali1234> you can use whichever one you prefer
[10:02] <pepito> that brings up another good question.   what is the difference?  why both?
[10:02] <popey> USC looks nicer :D
[10:02] <ali1234> synaptic is an advanced interface
[10:03] <ali1234> software centre has paid apps in addition to the traditional free software stuff
[10:03] <brobostigon> aptitude is like synaptic, but ncurses.
[10:03] <ali1234> aptitude is a mess :(
[10:03] <popey> brobostigon: I suspect the word 'ncurses' means nothing to pepito
[10:03] <pepito> popey is RIGHT
[10:03] <popey> :D
[10:03] <pepito> :)
[10:03] <popey> Happens once in a while
[10:03] <brobostigon> popey: good point,
[10:03] <popey> You got lucky.
[10:03] <brobostigon> it is similer to synaptic, but command line.
[10:04] <pepito> lol
[10:04] <ali1234> pepito: ncurses is a tool that lets you make graphical style interfaces on the command line. which is pointless and annoying imo :)
[10:05] <pepito> lol I will take your word for it since it all sounds really really alot like something I need a two year degree to understand
[10:05] <ali1234> pretty much
[10:05] <pepito> baby steps to the elevator for me
[10:05] <popey> pepito: you're picking this up quickly :D
[10:05] <pepito> (extra kudos if you recognize the movie reference)
[10:05] <popey> I don't
[10:06] <pepito> thanks popey.  I am a sharp tool, I just have never been in this realm before, and it is like being born again, but into a bright and fascinating new world
[10:06]  * AlanBell is at a magic show
[10:06] <pepito> I cant mention enough how great it is to have this kind of a help resource
[10:07] <brobostigon> we try, :)
[10:07] <popey> AlanBell: jelly and ice cream later?
[10:08] <AlanBell> no, sadly
[10:08] <AlanBell> at the library
[10:09] <pepito> on a sidenote similarly related, I have been studying up a lot over the past year or two on alternative economies, especially gift economies and the like, which is exactly what ubuntu is and it is really neat to see these principles in action and actually working
[10:09] <pepito> I reccomend Charles Eisenstein for anyone who has an interest in the subject.
[10:11] <ali1234> seen bitcoin?
[10:11] <pepito> I just recently discovered it like, a week ago
[10:12] <pepito> !!! awesomeness to the 3rd degree!
[10:12] <pepito> lol well for an unintelligent bot you have a stunning amount of wit
[10:12] <pepito> ali1234: what is your take on bitcoin?
[10:14] <pepito> question goes for anyone in the room who is somewhat familiar with it....   I loved it from a principle point of view, but as a non techie I have no idea as to the functionality or feasability of it
[10:14] <ali1234> i wouldn't buy them
[10:14] <ali1234> however i would accept them
[10:14] <ali1234> the crypto side of it has help up well so far
[10:15] <pepito> I wondered about that myself.... it seems as though cracking firewalls or whatever they are is always just a mattre of time
[10:15] <pepito> it would take a sizeable amount of resources to keep the security up to snuff
[10:16] <ali1234> all the thefts and attacks so far have been based on wallet theft
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: that's the easiest way to do it really
[10:16] <pepito> the major downside I see to it is that it is not a feasible system for a no-know-joe like me
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: Just like it's easier to torture your encryption password out of you than to try and break AES256
[10:17] <pepito> meaning it seems as though to use it and grasp it you have to be an MIT grad
[10:17] <ali1234> it is perhaps too easy to use currently
[10:17] <pepito> or employ one
[10:17] <ali1234> hence all the thefts
[10:18] <ali1234> anyway you can't really buy anything with them at the moment
[10:19] <ali1234> i think they are still over valued
[10:19] <pepito> true.   I think atm it is more or less a beginning phenomenon
[10:20] <pepito> so I just discovered that for the software center to operate the synaptic must be closed
[10:21] <pepito> (see that?  I just used jargon and understood it)
[10:22] <pepito> so now that my xchat gnome is installed, where should it appear for me to open it up?   its not in my launcher
[10:23] <brobostigon> pepito: as before, if you type into the search, it should filter to how it.
[10:24] <pepito> ok
[10:25] <brobostigon> that didnt make sense, i meant, it should then filter to the parameters you type in.
[10:27] <pepito> no i got it .....ok i am switching over
[10:27] <brobostigon> :)
[10:27] <pepito> um
[10:28] <pepito> how do i enter the chanel???
[10:29] <brobostigon> not a clue, never used xchat, myself.
[10:29] <gordonjcp> urgh, xchat
[10:29] <pepito> got it
[10:29] <pepito> haha! i love new discoveries!
[10:30] <pepito_> hello
[10:30] <pepito_> new world
[10:30] <gordonjcp> pepito_: now do /nick pepito to remove the underscore... ;-)
[10:31] <gordonjcp> and you might want to register your nick
[10:31] <pepito> !!!!!!! friggin AWESOME
[10:31] <pepito> how do I register it?
[10:31] <ali1234>  /msg nickserv help register
[10:33] <pepito> my newborn is sleeping on my chest
[10:34] <pepito> I love it, but makes it hard to type
[10:58] <pepito> okay nother question
[10:59] <pepito> some youtube vids wont play and some will
[10:59] <pepito> I assumed it was because I opted into the html5 test, but after opting back out the same problem persists
[10:59] <pepito> it says I need the adobe flash player
[10:59] <brobostigon> can you be more specific, define doesnt work?
[11:00] <brobostigon> !info flashplugin-installer
[11:00] <brobostigon> pepito: install that package, that should install adobe flash for you.
[11:00] <pepito> roger...
[11:02] <pepito> not finding it in the software center
[11:02] <brobostigon> pepito: try with synaptic.
[11:04] <pepito> ok found it, it said somethuing about reinstalling.... guess i already had had it
[11:05] <brobostigon> yes. agreed.
[11:05] <brobostigon> the metpackage, ubuntu-restricted-extras should have installed flash.
[11:05] <brobostigon> metapackage*
[11:05] <pepito> still wont play the video
[11:06] <brobostigon> pepito: which browser are you using?
[11:06] <pepito> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVhiRWUKzHA&feature=relmfu
[11:06] <pepito> firefox
[11:06] <brobostigon> pepito: does it show in about:plugins ?
[11:07] <pepito> :s where is that?
[11:07] <brobostigon> pepito: type that into the address bar, and hit enter.
[11:07] <brobostigon> about:plugins
[11:07] <brobostigon> it shows the plugins, firefox currently sees.
[11:07] <MartijnVdS> (instead of http://something.com/ type about:plugins)
[11:07] <brobostigon> yes
[11:08] <brobostigon> :)
[11:08] <pepito> done
[11:08] <brobostigon> pepito: does it show flash?
[11:08] <pepito> it shows...a bunch of ice tea
[11:08] <pepito> a few quicktime
[11:08] <pepito> windows media player
[11:08] <pepito> VLC and DVX
[11:09] <pepito> I see nothing about flash
[11:09] <brobostigon> that means, firefox isnt seeing it, if it doesnt show it there.
[11:10] <pepito> is that a defect within firefox or a defect within my setup somewhere?
[11:10] <pepito> iow, can I fix it?  or just get another browser?
[11:10] <brobostigon> !flash
[11:11] <brobostigon> pepito: it should show hoow to fix said error, on that page.
[11:12] <pepito> ok I am looking at the site now, thanks.   already a question... how do I know if I have 64 bit or 32?   I did installations based on the assumption I had 32 last night, could this be a source of my problems?
[11:12] <pepito> <-----(doesnt know exactly what a bit is)
[11:13] <brobostigon> pepito: if you open terminal, and type "uname -a" and hit enter, it will tell you.
[11:13] <gordonjcp> pepito: 32-bit is the safest option unless you have ridiculous amounts of memory
[11:13] <gordonjcp> 99.999999999999% of users do not require 64-bit
[11:13] <gordonjcp> the remaining tiny fraction of a percent don't, either
[11:13] <pepito> am I getting too deep here?   what is terminal?    okay I am part of the 99%
[11:14] <pepito> lets forget about bits and terminals for now then
[11:14] <brobostigon> pepito: terminal, is a command line app.
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: 64-bit + <4GB memory still increases the "Search space" if you're using address space randomization
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: i.e. it's a bit more secure against memory overflow attacks
[11:15] <pepito> that is what anonymous did on paypal and those other sites over wikileaks a while ago, right?
[11:15] <Myrtti> no not really
[11:16] <bigcalm> Good morning :)
[11:16] <pepito> lol okay baby steps to the elevator
[11:16] <pepito> it looks like I needed to completely restart my browser, I am doing that now
[11:17] <pepito> no, that wasnt it.... back to check the list again
[11:18] <brobostigon> sheldon, on big bang theory, just stated, ubuntu is his favorite linux based operating system. :)
[11:19] <jacobw> brobostigon: i feel as if i should know which episode that is :P
[11:19] <brobostigon> jacobw: let me find out.
[11:20] <brobostigon> jacobw: an ep called, the staircase implementation.
[11:20] <brobostigon> jacobw: very close to the end.
[11:23] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1-Q_8EbB8A
[11:24] <pepito> I figured it out!    I, me, this guy who just discovered ubuntu's existence less than 24 hours ago, has just figured it out!
[11:25] <pepito> I am very pleased with myself.    ahem, not to mention awesome  help from y'all.  my youtube vids now work.
[11:32] <dwatkins> excellent, pepito
[11:48] <pepito> okay nother question!
[11:48] <brobostigon> :)
[11:48] <pepito> playing around found somthing about preferred applications...
[11:48] <pepito> most of it makes sense
[11:49] <pepito> then there is something about mobility
[11:49] <pepito> options are either custom (current setting) or something called...
[11:49] <bigcalm> !ping
[11:50] <pepito> onBoard
[11:50] <pepito> what is THAT?
[11:51] <AlanBell> onboard is an on-screen keyboard
[11:54] <pepito> okay.   and now I am watching a tutorial vid on ytube he is customizng his launcher via something called Unity or compizconfig or something
[11:54] <pepito> he doesnt explain how to get there and I cant find it in my system
[11:55] <brobostigon> compizconfig-settingsmanager. it is, you need to install that.
[11:55] <AlanBell> compizconfig-settings-manager
[11:56] <brobostigon> sorry, wrong spelling.
[11:56] <AlanBell> install compizconfig-settings-manager then run ccsm to launch it
[11:56] <pepito> python-compiz along with it I take it
[11:57] <AlanBell> yeah, that is fine
[11:58] <pepito> aaaaaah.   bitchin!
[11:58] <brobostigon> lhsee rocks, :)
[11:58] <pepito> I'd give you guys all a cookie if I could.
[11:59] <pepito> not the computer kind either
[11:59] <pepito> I think you call them biscuits?
[11:59] <pr0ph3t> I'm having some problems uploading my music on ubuntu one from oneric, can anybody help me out please? I have 2.9 Gb of music to upload but it always stops syncing before really completing the upload, it says file sync is up to date but it's not.
[11:59] <pr0ph3t> I tried on ubuntuone channel as dwatkins suggested
[12:00] <pr0ph3t> but it seems very few people are on today
[12:00] <pr0ph3t> I was just wondering whether you had a similar experience perhaps
[12:01] <pepito> The new value for the edge binding for the action Reveal Mode in plugin Ubuntu Unity Plugin conflicts with the action Flip Down of the Desktop Wall plugin.
[12:01] <pepito> Do you wish to disable Flip Down in the Desktop Wall plugin?
[12:02] <pepito> do I wish to disable Flip Down?  not sure what the wall plugin is, I am trying to make the launcher reveal from multiple sides of the screen
[12:02] <dwatkins> pr0ph3t: did I? oh :) I was thinking the command line tool might be helpful too
[12:03] <dwatkins> You should be able to see what each of them does in the help, pepito - or on the plugin website
[12:03] <pepito> ok checking thanks
[12:03] <dwatkins> It's probably just that they use the same key.
[12:04] <AlanBell> pepito: you might well end up messing things up or getting a bit crashy playing with that stuff
[12:04] <AlanBell> but do carry on playing, it is fun :)
[12:05] <pepito> lol good point
[12:05] <pepito> really all I want is to make the navigating a bit more intuitive.   The thing I like (or maybe am just used to) from windows was the navigation bar at the bottom of the screen, quickly being able to jump from one window to the next
[12:06] <pepito> I am sure that there is a way for that to work here too, but I havent figured it out yet
[12:06] <pepito> I can't always see what all I have opened unless i open them individually on each of my four desktops
[12:06] <pepito> I was hoping this might be a solution for that
[12:06] <dwatkins> you can always reset to defaults if you lose certain key combinations, right?
[12:07] <dwatkins> I should install a recent Ubuntu in VirtualBox so I actually know what Unity is like.
[12:07] <pepito> yes, thats a good point.  it has the default reset button right next to it, that makes it a little reassuring
[12:15]  * dwatkins installs 11.04
[12:17] <jacobw> pepito: hold down the super (windows) key and all the programs on the launcher get a number to launch them
[12:18] <jacobw> pepito: unity can be keyboard controlled, which saves alot of mousing around
[12:21] <ali1234> dwatkins: unity doesn't work properly in virtualbox
[12:21] <dwatkins> ali1234: oh, that's a shame - even in fullscreen mode?
[12:21] <ali1234> yeah
[12:22] <ali1234> unity2d works though
[12:22] <dwatkins> ok, I assume I can select unity2d at some point during installation or at login-time
[12:23] <ali1234> if you install 11.10 it will default to unity2d
[12:23] <brobostigon> yes, similer issues with gnome-shell, gnome3 fallback, works though,
[12:23] <ali1234> until you install virtualbox guest utils
[12:23] <ali1234> then it will think you have 3d acceleration and switch to unity
[12:23] <ali1234> and it will fail to work properly
[12:24] <ali1234> but then you can select it on the login screen
[12:28] <pepito> okay I played around with the superkey feature, and you are right... it is great for navigating except that it only goes to ten keys
[12:30] <pr0ph3t> if it wasn't that I'm using a beta release I would say I've wasted my money on Ubuntu one
[12:31] <dwatkins> You forgot to mention it's free, pr0ph3t ;)
[12:32] <pr0ph3t> dwatkins, I paid for it though, I wanted the 25Gb and the Music streaming option :P
[12:32] <pr0ph3t> admittedly it is very cheap though
[12:33] <dwatkins> Is that Ubuntu Gold?
[12:34] <pr0ph3t> dwatkins, what is?
[12:35] <dwatkins> I was making a joke, pr0ph3t - there's a meme about paying for Facebook and having a "Gold" account which gives you extra functionality.
[12:35] <pr0ph3t> aaaaaaahhhh
[12:35] <AlanBell> ali1234: it works for me
[12:35] <pr0ph3t> I geddit
[12:35] <ali1234> AlanBell: well it doesn't works for me
[12:36] <AlanBell> not denying that :) but from my experience it is worth trying, install virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 from the repos in the guest and it works fine
[12:37] <dwatkins> thank, I shall try this AlanBell
[12:38] <ali1234> it loads up, works for about 10 minutes, then crashes. in my experience
[12:41] <dwatkins> is this a new install, ali1234?
[12:41] <ali1234> yes
[12:42] <dwatkins> bah, I was hoping I'd be able to have lots of bells and whistles.
[12:42] <ali1234> i haven't done a upgrade since... years ago
[12:42] <ali1234> if you want that, install KDE
[12:42] <dwatkins> Maybe I'll have to wait until I get a larger hard disk so I can triple-boot my laptop with it.
[12:42] <ali1234> (it does not work properly in virtualbox either)
[12:43] <ali1234> KDE reminds me of a department store at christmas
[12:43] <AlanBell> I have been using unity in a virtualbox for hours on end
[12:43] <ali1234> everything is glowing and shiny
[12:43] <AlanBell> did a customer demo on it yesterday
[12:43] <dwatkins> KDE seems to have loads of keyboard shortcuts
[12:43] <ali1234> but you just know there's a fat guy dressed as santa smoking a cig out the back
[12:43] <AlanBell> :)
[12:43] <dwatkins> heh, yeah - I'd be able to smell him ;)
[12:44] <dwatkins> (being an ex-addict makes me particularly good at detecting this)
[12:46] <pr0ph3t> an ex-KDE addict?
[12:47]  * dwatkins sniggers
[13:06] <constrictor> when's release candidate dropping?
[13:07] <brobostigon> have a look at the release schedule on the wiki. :)
[13:07] <brobostigon> wiki.ubuntu.com/OnerircReleaseSchedule
[13:08] <brobostigon> ignore that url, it isnt correct.
[13:09] <brobostigon> constrictor: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[13:11] <AlanBell> 18:54 < skaet> AlanBell,  pre-release images are posted for testing on the ISO tracker http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/;  these are dry runs for the official candidates that will be cut on Monday, so testing is much appreciated.
[14:03] <brobostigon> the new android market update to gingerbread, is quite more resource hungry, than the previous version. and i dont like all the ads, on the home screen of the app.
[14:34] <Daviey> Hmm, you don't need to wait until RC.. very little is changing from the current spin to the RC.
[14:34] <Daviey> please test early !
[14:34]  * popey downloads the iso
[14:35] <Daviey> Oh, please don't find bugs :)
[14:35] <popey> heh, i have a machine where /var/run sym links to /run
[14:35] <popey> and /run symlinks to /var/run
[14:35] <popey> properly broken
[14:35] <popey> not sure how to fix that
[14:35] <Daviey> eek, i know the package that caused that!
[14:35] <popey> its an old oneiric install I'm updating
[14:35] <popey> probably optimistic
[14:35] <Daviey> popey: i think you should just be able to delete /run
[14:35] <popey> ok
[14:36] <Daviey> popey: check /var/lock is valid aswell
[14:36] <popey> and make /run
[14:36] <popey> yay, thats better
[14:36] <popey> dpkg --configure -a continues okay
[14:36] <popey> thanks
[14:36] <Daviey> I think it gets recreated if it doesn't exist
[14:36] <popey> I wasnt sure which one to bin :D
[14:36] <popey> it didnt for me, but it was in a sorry state
[14:37] <popey> so i am not surprised :D
[14:37] <Daviey>  /run is the king, the others are wannabe symlinks
[14:37]  * popey restarts the dist-upgrade
[14:38] <jacobw> !oneiric
[14:39]  * Daviey is contemplating an installer change... :)
[14:41] <popey> yay, all fixed
[14:41]  * popey hugs Daviey 
[14:57] <jacobw> does anyone know of a utility that generates images like the one used here? http://xkcd.com/936/
[14:57]  * jacobw wonders how difficult it'd be to make if it doesn't already exist
[14:58] <dwatkins> jacobw: which part of that comic are you referring-to?
[14:58] <jacobw> horse battery staple correct
[14:59] <AlanBell> s/images/passphrases/
[14:59] <dwatkins> So you want to make an image from some text?
[14:59] <AlanBell> book + blindfold + pin
[15:00] <jacobw> no, i want to peice together an image from unlikely elements to get a passphrase from
[15:00] <dwatkins> So, choose random words from the dictionary then make an image showing them?
[15:00] <jacobw> AlanBell, that could be much simpler :)
[15:00] <jacobw> yes dwatkins
[15:01] <dwatkins> ImageMagick has an option to annotate text to an image in "convert" but I suspect this may be overkill.
[15:02] <jacobw> i think it is overkill now i'm thinking of the technical complexity
[15:02] <dwatkins> shouldn't be difficult, much easier than the reverse (OCR) :)
[15:06] <dwatkins> I imagine the simplest method would be to create a blank image then use "convert" to annotate it, the size of the image would depend on the number of characters, use a fixed-width font to ensure the size of the image itself is big enough etc.
[15:10] <penguin42> dwatkins: Actually, it will do convert foo.txt my.png   - although still need to work out image size
[15:11] <dwatkins> oooh neat
[15:13] <AlanBell> !precise
[15:14] <gordonjcp> jacobw: easy enough
[15:14] <gordonjcp> jacobw: investigate the cairo bindings for whatever language you are using
[15:32] <dwatkins> jacobw: http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/text/#label might help
[15:49] <jacobw> cheers gordonjcp dwatkins
[15:49] <dwatkins> welcome :)
[15:55] <danfish> windows is a parasite - my Dad has a dual boot ubuntu-xp system and after having to boot into xp to use a label printer found his MBR overwritten
[15:57] <danfish> no option to boot ubuntu
[15:57] <dwatkins> did it update itself, danfish?
[15:57] <penguin42> danfish: That's odd - anyway, can do a grub reinstall from a rescue cd
[15:59] <danfish> penguin42: exactly - but there's an excellent live cd that does that and that alone - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[15:59] <penguin42> hmm never tried that
[16:00] <danfish> I got dad to download that and boot from it and bam - 2 mins later order restored
[16:00] <penguin42> nice
[16:00]  * hamitron just has 1 comp per OS
[16:00] <hamitron> ;)
[16:00] <dwatkins> I wonder how it knows what to do.
[16:00] <danfish> he's 250 miles away so not easy!
[16:00] <hamitron> >1 sorry
[16:01] <danfish> he now wants me to 'nuke' xp at my earliest opportunity :D
[16:01] <dwatkins> Just make it boot Ubuntu by default, just in case?
[16:01] <danfish> dwatkins: that's the odd thing, it was
[16:02] <dwatkins> oh, strange that it would cause problems, then - I can only assume it automatically updated itself and overwrote the MBR when updating its kernel.
[16:07] <danfish> dwatkins: that's what I assume as well.
[16:08] <danfish> whole family will soon be ubuntu :) I wonder if Landscape offer a family package ;)
[16:10]  * penguin42 needs to do a bit of problem hunting on my dads oldest machine; its' a P2 400MHz so not exactly fast, but Lucid is really really crawling on it - even things like scrolling a terminal; recent Debian was OK speed wise
[16:12] <danfish> I think it might be kinder to put that processor out to pasture...
[16:26] <Andres-kain> second break of the day! yay!
[17:01] <AlanBell> I just crashed out with the OOM killer
[17:01] <AlanBell> and I only put an extra 5GB of ram in my laptop a couple of days ago
[17:02] <bigcalm> oom?
[17:02] <AlanBell> out of memory
[17:02] <bigcalm> Ah
[17:02] <AlanBell> there is a process that goes round killing things if you run out of memory
[17:03] <bigcalm> Sounds like fun
[17:03] <AlanBell> should I update my laptop to Oneiric now I wonder
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: why not
[17:05] <penguin42> if you've just put more ram in and it's doing odd things, it might be a good idea to run a few hours of ram test 1st
[17:06] <AlanBell> penguin42: interesting point, but it was an out of memory error rather than random crash
[17:07] <DJones>  past
[17:07] <DJones> Is Oneric at RC stage yet? Looking at the release schedule, it just says "pre release images" rather than RC as in the past
[17:07] <AlanBell> monday will be candidate builds
[17:13] <Joeb454> AlanBell: what were you running to get OOM?
[17:17] <AlanBell> nothing much, firefox few other bits and bobs, maybe a gimp and inkscape doing nothing
[17:17] <AlanBell> something leaked no doubt
[17:19] <AlanBell> looks like it was thunderbird
[17:19] <Joeb454> sounds like it. I think the only time I've ever come close to hitting even 4Gb is running a VM
[17:20] <Joeb454> nice
[17:20] <AlanBell> yeah, I can see in the kern.log thunderbird-bin was using 3.5GB then 4GB and the OOM killer went round killing everything else and letting thunderbird just grow
[17:21] <Joeb454> don't you love it when things 'just work' ;)
[17:21] <AlanBell> OOM killer doesn't like killing things that use the disk apparently
[17:22] <Joeb454> actually that does make sense, because you'd risk having corrupt files if you killed something mid write
[17:22] <AlanBell> makes sense, up to a point
[17:23] <Joeb454> up to the point over 3GB RAM is being used by 1 process?
[17:25] <popey> oi gord! why is my machine coming up in unity2d?
[17:25] <popey> intel sandybridge
[17:25] <matti> :)
[17:25] <popey> (same machine different install gives 3d unity)
[17:34] <penguin42> popey: What's difference between the installs?
[17:36] <gord> popey, maybe packagng broke in upgrade/install? i don't know much about that kind of thing, see what unity --reset does though
[17:37] <DJones> !mn Matthew Reilly - Hover Car Racer (epub).rar
[17:37] <MartijnVdS> DJones: uhrm...
[17:37] <DJones> Erk
[17:46] <popey> bah
[17:46] <popey> gord: nope, unity --reset doesnt fix it
[17:46] <penguin42> popey: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors?
[17:46] <popey> penguin42: one is upgrade, one is clean install
[17:47] <popey> no errors
[17:48] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/704543/
[17:48] <penguin42> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[17:49] <penguin42> popey: This a machine which had an NVidia driver at one point?
[17:49] <popey> ooh, good call!
[17:49] <popey> duh!
[17:49] <popey> sorry :D
[17:49] <popey> disk was yanked from a machine with nvidia, forgot that
[17:50] <gord> oh dear ;)
[17:53] <penguin42> popey: Use jocket to uninstall the nvidia driver properly
[17:54] <penguin42> jockey even
[18:05] <penguin42> it's a pity the nvidia install screws stuff up so badly that the existing drivers don't work for other stuff
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> Hmm.. have to get up early tomorrow
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> F1 at 6am
[18:09] <hamitron> MartijnVdS, nvm that, 2:40pm the replay?
[18:09] <hamitron> ;/
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> replays aren't as much fun
[18:09]  * MartijnVdS is considering buying tickets for Spa next year
[18:09] <hamitron> well, I shall for sure have to isolate myself from the world
[18:09] <hamitron> nice
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> Just the cheap ones ("bronze"?).. but I've never been to a race before
[18:10] <hamitron> I think this will be my last year of watching F1
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: With the whole sky deal? I can imagine
[18:10] <hamitron> if half the races are on Sky, will be watching something like British Touring Car
[18:11] <popey> penguin42: i suspect it's because i had an xorg.conf
[18:11] <popey> which i shouldnt have had
[18:11] <hamitron> I prefer the classic type of race tracks, to all these foreign fancy rubbish things
[18:11] <hamitron> gravel trap is sooooooooooo much better than pink paint
[18:11] <hamitron> ;/
[18:12] <hamitron> green grass is nice too
[18:12] <hamitron> real grass ofc
[18:13] <hamitron> MartijnVdS, I've been watching some Formula 3 recently
[18:16]  * phillw hiyas guys... any ideas as to why I get this?...  You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected.  If you think that your messages are being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at ubuntu-uk-owner@lists.ubuntu.com.
[18:18] <phillw> maybe lp has fallen out with google educational accounts, that would be fun :P
[18:22] <AlanBell> it isn't launchpad, it is mailman
[18:22] <AlanBell> and no, you are not intentionally banned from the list :)
[18:23] <phillw> AlanBell: trying to set up the google educational email system is a nightmare enough, without you guys bouncing it :P
[18:25] <phillw> At present, it has gone on strike with itself :).... Ah, well, the more people report bugs, the better chance we have of them being fixed.
[18:25] <AlanBell> I am not one of the admins, popey or Daviey might be able to explain what is going on
[18:26] <phillw> AlanBell: I saw you stood down from council... Why?
[18:26] <AlanBell> I didn't stand down from anything??
[18:27]  * phillw is sure you were you on old member old ubuntu council?
[18:27] <AlanBell> popey (Alan Pope) will be standing down from the community council
[18:28] <phillw> ah, I was close... alan :P
[18:32] <DJones> AlanBell: Did you update your laptop to Oneiric? Just debating whether to do the same on mine
[18:34] <phillw> DJones: we are at RC stage, update if you wish... Just ensure you have a backup :)
[18:34] <AlanBell> DJones: doing a bit of a backup still
[18:34] <DJones> phillw: I understand that, this will be the latest I've updated for quite a few releases
[18:35] <DJones> LiveUSB works fine anyway
[18:45] <constrictor> tried it a few weeks ago, the xfce variation that is. Not a bit unity fan
[18:49] <constrictor> had to fall back to 11.04, I got an upgrade and got stuck in a loop during boot up
[18:52]  * AlanBell wonders if a class 10 SD card is faster than a CD
[18:53] <Adriannom> lo.  how do i edit a grub2 menu item permanently?  /etc/grub.d/ right?
[18:54] <brobostigon> !grub2
[18:54] <brobostigon> Adriannom: the latter page discribes it in good detail.
[18:54] <Adriannom> that's what i've been reading
[18:54] <Adriannom> but it seems like editing the menu is more like programming
[18:55] <Adriannom> i need to remove the option about gfx payload
[18:55] <Adriannom> and it doesn't seem obvious which lines need to be commented or changed
[18:57] <Adriannom> i basically can't boot into ubuntu (or even the console) unless i remove that option in grub every boot
[18:57] <hamitron> if it was obvious and easy, it would not be so rewarding
[18:57] <hamitron> ;)
[18:58] <Adriannom> hehe yeah, lovely.  however i want to use ubuntu, not fix it ;)
[18:59] <brobostigon> Adriannom: most likely in /etc/default/grub i reckon.
[19:00] <Adriannom> brobostigon, looked there, nothing.  i'm pretty sure it's in /etc/grub.d/10_linux - which is just a whole bunch of code and i have no idea how to fix it
[19:00] <brobostigon> Adriannom: me neither. sorry, i am just going by what is in that page.
[19:01] <Adriannom> aye, it's all changed from grub1, editing menus is now an epic undertaking ;(
[19:02] <Adriannom> actually screw this, i'm not spending any more time on 11.04.  back to 10.04 so i can actually get some work done
[19:02] <Adriannom> thanks brobostigon
[19:02] <brobostigon> ok, sorry.
[19:02] <Adriannom> no worries :)
[19:03] <Myrtti> ♥ UK
[19:07]  * AlanBell is on oneiric on a live USB
[19:08] <hamitron> AlanBell, going well?
[19:08]  * hamitron is looking forward to 12.04
[19:09] <AlanBell> good so far
[19:09] <AlanBell> ali1234: what was that dual screen close on the wrong screen bug number?
[19:10] <ali1234> bug 865701
[19:11]  * AlanBell clicks the me too bit
[19:16] <AlanBell> all seems to be working fine really
[19:25] <DJones> AlanBell: About another 150 packages to download on my upgrade
[19:26] <GirlyGirl> DJones: Upgrading to oneric?
[19:39] <AlanBell> reasonably happy with oneiric on a live USB
[19:39] <AlanBell> compizconfig-settings-manager seemed to fail to do anything at all, but I think it should on a real install
[19:40]  * AlanBell runs do-release-upgrade
[19:41] <AlanBell> You have to download a total of 1675 M. This download should take
[19:41] <AlanBell> about 11 minutes with your connection.
[19:41] <AlanBell> nice :)
[19:46] <dwatkins> Myrtti: what's your username on SpiderOak, please? I'm being asked it to add the referral bonus to our accounts. ta.
[20:05] <Joeb454> AlanBell: 11 minutes? At one point while downloading the GM release of iOS 5 earlier I still had 17 minutes to wait
[20:05] <Joeb454> worth keeping in mind I'd already got about 300/720 MB at this point
[20:05] <GirlyGirl> AlanBell: Upgrade done then?
[20:10] <AlanBell> installing packages
[20:10] <AlanBell> could take quite a while
[20:12] <AlanBell> it has disconnected from wifi
[20:25] <GirlyGirl> Bye
[20:55] <Myrtti> dwatkins: Myrtti, obviously :-P
[20:59]  * bigcalm ponders drunk purchasing
[21:00] <Joeb454> bigcalm: if you have to ponder it's usually a bad idea :P
[21:03] <bigcalm> Nothing in mind, just terribly bored
[21:04] <bigcalm> Maybe an SSD for my laptop
[21:04] <Joeb454> ah, that kind of drunk purchasing
[21:04] <bigcalm> Or for the revo
[21:05] <Joeb454> I'm good at that
[21:05] <Joeb454> I want an SSD for my laptop, but A) can't afford it, and B) the sizes are still too small
[21:06] <bigcalm> I have one in my workstation
[21:06] <bigcalm> Improved it no end
[21:06] <andres-kain> wow, tomboy has a bit too much dependancies for my taste...
[21:07] <bigcalm> 50% used of 60gb device. Pleasing
[21:08] <andres-kain> mono this, mono that...
[21:09]  * bigcalm ponts andres-kain at directhex :)
[21:10] <andres-kain> whatś that?
[21:10] <bigcalm> What's directhex?
[21:10] <andres-kain> yeah.
[21:11] <bigcalm> A user in this channel :)
[21:11] <Laney> who can magically reduce dependency requirements?
[21:13] <bigcalm> I'm bored and easily amused :)
[21:15] <AlanBell> still upgrading ...
[21:18] <andres-kain> OK, tomboy syncing... do any of you use irc in pidgin?
[21:18] <andres-kain> what is the addon name?
[21:18] <andres-kain> I only really want to connect to ubuntu-uk and maybe one other channel
[21:18] <andres-kain> so xchat seems overkill for me.
[21:27] <dwatkins> Myrtti: thanks, I suspected that might be your login name :)
[21:27] <hamitron> andres-kain, didn't realise you needed an addon
[21:28] <andres-kain> hamitron you are probably right. I am sure I just do not know how to use irc
[21:28] <andres-kain> I think i just registered my nick.
[21:28] <hamitron> :)
[21:29] <andres-kain> yep there I am.
[21:29] <andres-kain> i am an idiot.
[21:29] <andres-kain> OK, no need for xchat now.
[21:29] <hamitron> :))
[21:30] <dwatkins> who needs xchat? ;) <--- irssi user
[21:30] <hamitron> I actually like xchat
[21:30] <hamitron> :/
[21:31] <directhex> andres-kain1: counterintuitively, the increased *number* of tomboy dependencies in oneiric is paired with decreased *size* of dependencies
[21:31] <directhex> andres-kain1: there's 1 package per library, rather than bundling libraries together - so there are zero unneeded dependencies, ever
[21:35] <directhex> andres-kain1: the package names are also longer than they used to be. libmono-system-runtime-serialization-formatters-soap4.0-cil doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.
[21:35] <andres-kain1> dwatkins hamitron now i have google, facebook, twitter, identi.ca and #ubuntu-uk all in one place. Gwibber can keep facebook posts only. it was slowing down
[21:36] <directhex> which used to be libmono-system-runtime2.0-cil in natty
[21:37] <andres-kain1> directhex would the same thing happen in xubuntu?
[21:37] <dwatkins> andres-kain1: in irssi, xchat or something else?
[21:37] <directhex> yes. it's a change in mono packaging between natty and oneiric
[21:37] <DJones> Hmmh, screen resolution on oneiric seems to be low, even though its reporting 1600*900
[21:38] <andres-kain1> dwatkins pidgin i think is the answer
[21:38] <andres-kain1> I just wanted something that would sync my conboy notes on my n900 with my netbook.
[21:38] <andres-kain1> via ubuntu one
[21:38] <andres-kain1> seems like tomboy is the only option.
[21:40] <dwatkins> I'm not familiar with conboy.
[21:41] <dwatkins> ah I see, sync tomboy notes
[21:41] <directhex> gnote still has no u1 support afaik
[21:42] <andres-kain1> yeah gnote was my first option. I dont think gnote will ever have support for u1.
[21:44] <directhex> it just needs someone who cares to write the support. but nobody cares.
[21:45] <andres-kain1> really? I thought it was a licence thing...
[21:45] <andres-kain1> in a completely unrelated note. I have the board game of world of warcraft in spanish. Is anybody interested?
[21:48] <andres-kain1> no takers? wow, no one for wow? well maybe in freecycle.
[21:56] <andres-kain1> what about a ps2 with around 10 games, memory card two controllers and eyetoy?
[22:04] <DJones> Is there a volumes_visible setting for Nautilus on Oneiric?
[22:18] <andres-kain1> what is ibus for? i keep thinking it will configure my keyboard seems like an advanced tool for something.
[22:23] <bigcalm> Why doesn't get_iplayer see everything that the website does?
[22:24] <andres-kain1> what are you missing?
[22:24] <andres-kain1> I usually have all I want with it.
[22:24] <bigcalm> Newsjack, Mark Thomas: The Manifesto
[22:24] <bigcalm> For example
[22:25] <bigcalm> Both are radio programmes
[22:26] <andres-kain1> do other radio programs work?
[22:26] <bigcalm> Yes
[22:26] <bigcalm> Currently listening to "So Wrong it's Right"
[22:27] <andres-kain1> sorry cannot help you there. I just used it for torchwood and dr who, and gpodder for radio podcasts (material world)
[22:29] <andres-kain1> bigcalm have you tried http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/install
[22:29] <andres-kain1> desktop client from bbc
[22:30] <bigcalm> I like keeping things for longer :)
[22:32] <andres-kain1> ah.
[23:13] <penguin42> hmm reason why the slow machine is slow is because PA is battering the heck out of it spewing stuff to its log
[23:58]  * andres-kain scratches head