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QuintasanGood morning09:28
Quintasanyofel_: Ah, I figured it out, Apper fails to update when there is a conflict09:47
QuintasanI had some multiarch libs to upgrade and there was a conflict09:47
QuintasanBut, still, with multiarch on by default it makes me a bit uneasy about uploading it09:47
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yofelmoin09:55
yofelwell, it would be as broken as aptitude, so I agree there09:56
sheytanapachelogger: pingy10:23
bambee_morning10:26
yofeluh.... does rekonq do something for anyone right now?12:10
yofelI enter an url, press enter and get an white page12:10
yofeloh fun, konqueror:12:11
yofelAdditional Information: Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_http'.12:11
yofelhm, reboot fixed it -.-12:16
debfxI hope we can fit firefox onto cd at some point12:26
yofelwell, firefox doesn't give me access to www-admin.kubuntu.org so it wouldn't have helped there ^^12:28
debfxit would be interesting to know which browser and email client kubuntu users prefer12:28
debfxheh, is that still broken on everything except (re)konq?12:29
yofelneeds rekonq or konqueror12:30
yofelwasn't that a security feature at some point? :P12:30
debfxheh, I hope not12:34
bulldog98_yofel, shadeslayer already seen the nepomuk diff in kde-packager?13:38
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sheytanhey guys13:43
sheytanis rc of kubuntu ready too?13:44
* bulldog98 is testbuilding with that patch. Then I’ll upload that to ninjas13:56
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ximionQuintasan: hi! can you update your system using pkcon instead of Apper?15:18
ximiondantti: ping15:18
danttihey :)15:19
danttiIt might be aptcc that needs fixing but we can only be sure if pkcon or gnome-packagekit have the same behavior15:19
danttialso it would be nice if you know which package is causing that..15:20
ximionthe error information is not really good enough15:21
ximionmaybe we need to poke hughsie again to allow terminal output to be passed to the backend for debugging15:22
danttiximion: if I use gdebug in the code and packagekitd --verbose is run I could use that but aptcc code doesn't debug this part..15:24
danttimy biggest concern is about + and ~ being used on the pkg version, maybe packagekit removes it 3+git20111005+r160-8~oneiric115:25
ximionimproving aptcc is already on my TODO list, as well as making AppStream support available for Apper15:25
ximionI don't think it does...15:26
ximiononly * is forbidden, afaik15:26
ximion~ and + are bothe allowed15:27
danttiweird..15:29
danttiI have no clue ...15:29
ximionyofel: hi! have you been able to reproduce this "fails to update" bug with apper?15:34
ximiondantti: could this be related to multiarch?15:34
danttiximion: that would be my second bet, but I dunno never used it.15:34
danttiIt only tell that the package is not found if it can't find a package at that version15:35
danttiit doen't look at the arch part15:35
danttibut that might be the issue15:35
ximiondantti: yes, I guess it is...15:35
danttiI dunno if some new code is needed to know the arch..15:35
ximionbut: I use multiarch and it works good15:36
ximionso, hmm15:37
ximiondantti: it is a bit difficult to convince someone to upload Apper if it does not do what it should do...15:40
danttisure, but it's also hard to fix this issue without a test case, also Apper probably does what it should do, I believe aptcc is the one to blame15:41
ximiondantti: in this case, it should be safe to upload Apper, because then it works for 90% of all users15:41
ximionbut I wonder why I don't get bug reports against gpk for this...15:42
danttiximion: probably safe to upload, and also upload a fix for packagekit-aptcc15:42
ximionusually, if something's broken, they recognize it in a few hours15:42
danttiI believe few people use it ...15:42
danttior don't you think so?15:43
danttiThere's nothing special in the update ui, it simple pass the pkg id it got from pk, so it should be broken on gpk and pkcon too15:43
ximionthere are many users, according to popcon15:43
danttihmm15:43
ximionof course, not as much as USC users :P15:44
danttihehe15:44
ximiondantti: btw, what was the reason not to leave apt's cache open?15:47
ximionyou once told me that there were "errors" when you did this...15:48
danttiximion: the main problem is that if you run apt-get update on the cmd line the gui will not be aware of that..15:49
ximion(oh, and we also need to take a look at the gui-filter: for some users, it doesn't work :P => http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=638643 )15:49
ubottuDebian bug 638643 in packagekit "packagekit results in no results with graphical package filter." [Normal,Open]15:49
danttitho this could be changed as we have an /etc/apt.d script that tell us it was changed15:49
danttibut it also has the problem with the /etc/sources.list which could be fixed too with a watcher...15:50
ximiondantti: So, the problem is that if the cache stays open, you can't run apt-get update?15:50
ximionor just that the cache needs to be reopened again?15:50
danttiyou can, but you have a in memory outdated cache..15:50
danttiyes you need to reopen it15:51
danttiafaik...15:51
ximionon openSUSE, they just tell PK to update15:51
ximion(zYpper has a plugin for this)15:51
ximionthe same should be possible for apt, I guess15:51
danttithe problem there is that the gui filter filters by the package section...15:52
ximiontogether with the reworked parallel transactions hughsie is working on, PK-aptcc should become really fast15:52
ximion(fast enough for the USC)15:52
danttiximion: it should be, tho on openSUSE things are very bad on that backend... it actualy refreshes the cache before each operation15:52
danttiximion: sure, it just needs testing but would be great to only open the cache on the first run..15:53
danttiI let the way it is now as it's safer..15:53
ximiontrue15:54
ximionbut PK needs to become effectively better than the other solutions ;-)15:55
ximionat time we have native tools, aptd, qapt and packagekit15:55
ximionso we have three different implementations of the same thing15:55
ximionhaving just one would be great15:55
ximionand having PK as the solution would be excellent, so code is shared across distributions.15:56
ximionand there are already KDE apps making use of PK15:56
danttiximion: I did my last commit for apper 0.7, now descriptions are back to normal. I'll release a tar ball as soon as possible...15:59
danttiximion: I'm giving linux classes right now and the students have just came back from lunch15:59
danttiif you have more details or can build a test case we fix this issue but I believe 100% that it is a backend bug...16:00
ximionokay16:01
dantticya16:02
shadeslayerQuintasan: still need that testbuild and testing stuff?17:49
yofelbulldog98: seen now, is your package ready?18:02
shadeslayeroh my18:03
bulldog98yofel: in about 1min18:03
shadeslayerASSERT: "s->parsed == false" in file /build/buildd/project-neon-kdelibs-2+git20110924+r92127/kdecore/kernel/kcmdlineargs.cpp, line 52618:03
yofelximion: as I don't usually use mulitarch, nope - for me it worked. The only issue I had was refreshing the cache being far too slow.18:05
shadeslayerhuh, runs with kcm18:05
yofelshadeslayer: where do you have that ancient version from?18:05
shadeslayeryofel: neon, haven't updated in forever18:07
yofelcurrent is 2+git20111002+snap4.7-5918:07
shadeslayeryup i know18:07
shadeslayerwait what18:07
shadeslayersnap ?18:07
yofelsnapshot, as that's the only way to get something from the 4.7 branch18:08
yofelthe import is junk18:08
shadeslayerah ok18:08
shadeslayerright, now i remember18:08
bulldog98yofel: uploaded to ninjas18:10
yofelthanks18:10
* yofel resyncs kdesdk bzr with archive18:10
bulldog98yofel: btw the 4.7.2 stuff is already uploaded?18:11
yofelit'll get into -proposed soon, I'll push it to the public PPA first in an hour or so18:11
yofel(make that after your patch is built and tested)18:12
shadeslayerQuintasan: on neon, compiling apper from git and trying to open something from "Categories" gives me : QSqlDatabasePrivate::database: unable to open database: "unable to open database file Error opening database" 18:12
shadeslayerso thats broken18:13
yofelshadeslayer: yep, same what he got18:13
shadeslayerwell, i don't get a error dialog18:13
yofeland me I think, although I didn't look at xsession-errors18:13
shadeslayerthats the debug output from konsole18:13
* yofel reads backlog18:13
shadeslayerwell from the backlog and from the error, it looks as if the db is busted18:15
* Quintasan would like the Policy KCM back for Precise18:16
Quintasanshadeslayer: Well, yeah, thanks18:16
shadeslayernp18:16
shadeslayerQuintasan: congrats on the visa btw18:16
* Quintasan wonders why his panel is not transparent when on the right side of the screen18:17
shadeslayerDon't forget yer swimming shorts, there's a hot tub there ^_^18:17
QuintasanI have a new freakin gfx card and effects are not snappy and smooth18:17
QuintasanWhy the hell deleting .kde is solution to this18:17
shadeslayerQuintasan: AMD?18:17
shadeslayers/AMD/ATi/18:17
kubotushadeslayer meant: "Quintasan: ATi?"18:17
Quintasanshadeslayer: You kiddin? GeForce GTX56018:18
shadeslayerah ok18:18
shadeslayermaybe it's too new? :P18:18
Quintasan...18:20
yofelshouldn't be... my 250GTS worked fine from the day I got it18:20
QuintasanCurrently I have three problems with my Linux experience18:21
Quintasan1. Why the hell Nepomuk sucks so much18:21
Quintasan2. Why the hell the desktop effects sometime work and sometimes work like shit and sometimes don't work18:22
Quintasan3. Why on Earth deleting your config should resolve problems after updates18:22
QuintasanHmm18:22
Quintasanfour actually18:22
Quintasan4. Why the hell "sync" isn't getting called when copying stuff onto usb thumb drives18:22
yofel1) sebas is trying to fix that, 2) ask martin 3) agreed 4) at the end or while copying?18:23
Quintasanat the end18:24
yofelwhich reminds me I forgot to file a bug for my most annoying plasma issue...18:24
yofelwhat's wrong with sync running at the end?18:24
yofel(should be fsync() though I guess)18:24
QuintasanNOT running18:24
shadeslayerQuintasan: I've seen that as well18:24
QuintasanI mean18:24
shadeslayerfiles don't get copied properly18:24
yofeloooops18:24
QuintasanI copy files to a thumb drive18:24
yofelI'm tired18:24
QuintasanIt says it's done18:24
shadeslayeryup18:25
yofelwell, that's why you need to unmount it...18:25
QuintasanI try unmounting and it says it can't unmount since something is still being done18:25
yofelor "eject"18:25
shadeslayeryofel: hangs forever when you do that18:25
QuintasanExactly18:25
* shadeslayer waves fist at rygel18:25
yofelah... I think I saw that once18:25
yofelI somehow have a habit of running sync by hand lately...18:26
shadeslayeri just use rsync now18:26
shadeslayeror cp for smaller files18:26
shadeslayerfor some reason I'm typing in the dark even tho my keyboard has a backlight feature -.-18:26
shadeslayerany plans on packaging plasma active 1 ?18:29
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdesdk] Philip Muškovac * 146 * debian/ (patches/no_structures_tool.diff changelog patches/series) Guard includes which are not available if the structures tool is not built. LP: #852430.18:31
ximionyofel: okay, thanks.18:35
ximionQuintasan: have you read what dantti said?18:35
Quintasanximion: Nope18:35
ximiondo you think it is okay to upload Apper if it works for most users?18:36
ximionthe problem you are axperiencing seems to be a corner case...18:36
ximionI asked some other people and noone else has this error18:36
ximionalso, this is a PK error I guess and has nothing to do with Apper18:36
QuintasanWell, apart from that I had no problems whatsover with Apper18:37
Quintasanximion: Please recheck if REVU has the right version and let me know so I can take last look at it18:38
ximionQuintasan: the version on revu is okay and working18:56
QuintasanSplendid.18:56
ximionand it's the same as my local version this time :D18:56
QuintasanScottK, ximion: Apper uploaded19:03
ximionQuintasan: thank you!19:12
jussiBack on KDE after a month of trying Unity. Boy am I glad to be back19:50
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jussianyone about? 20:03
jjesseno20:12
jussijjesse: lol20:17
jussiANyways, Im in the middle of reporting a bug, but jockey-kde is not being started with kdesudo, therefore not allowing you to change anything. 20:18
jussibug 871469 for all interested peoples20:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 871469 in jockey (Ubuntu) "jockey-kde is not started with root privelidges" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87146920:27
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Quintasanjussi: Why would you even try this heinous abomination of an GUI?20:52
yofelQuintasan: everyone of us has to be open minded20:59
yofelbulldog98_: your new kde4libs upload adds a new symbol, please update the symbols file for libplasma321:05
yofelplease push to bzr after doing that and fixing the changelog (and mention that the patch is from upstream please and/or use a dep-3 header in the patch)21:07
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-l10n-common] Philip Muškovac * 108 * debian/ (changelog config) New upstream release (svn: 1256933, type: stable) (PPA upload)21:16
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ximionScottK: Apper is in the Oneiric queue now :)22:15
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