claydoh | Darkwing: ah | 00:00 |
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Quintasan | Good morning | 09:28 |
Quintasan | yofel_: Ah, I figured it out, Apper fails to update when there is a conflict | 09:47 |
Quintasan | I had some multiarch libs to upgrade and there was a conflict | 09:47 |
Quintasan | But, still, with multiarch on by default it makes me a bit uneasy about uploading it | 09:47 |
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yofel | moin | 09:55 |
yofel | well, it would be as broken as aptitude, so I agree there | 09:56 |
sheytan | apachelogger: pingy | 10:23 |
bambee_ | morning | 10:26 |
yofel | uh.... does rekonq do something for anyone right now? | 12:10 |
yofel | I enter an url, press enter and get an white page | 12:10 |
yofel | oh fun, konqueror: | 12:11 |
yofel | Additional Information: Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_http'. | 12:11 |
yofel | hm, reboot fixed it -.- | 12:16 |
debfx | I hope we can fit firefox onto cd at some point | 12:26 |
yofel | well, firefox doesn't give me access to www-admin.kubuntu.org so it wouldn't have helped there ^^ | 12:28 |
debfx | it would be interesting to know which browser and email client kubuntu users prefer | 12:28 |
debfx | heh, is that still broken on everything except (re)konq? | 12:29 |
yofel | needs rekonq or konqueror | 12:30 |
yofel | wasn't that a security feature at some point? :P | 12:30 |
debfx | heh, I hope not | 12:34 |
bulldog98_ | yofel, shadeslayer already seen the nepomuk diff in kde-packager? | 13:38 |
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sheytan | hey guys | 13:43 |
sheytan | is rc of kubuntu ready too? | 13:44 |
* bulldog98 is testbuilding with that patch. Then I’ll upload that to ninjas | 13:56 | |
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ximion | Quintasan: hi! can you update your system using pkcon instead of Apper? | 15:18 |
ximion | dantti: ping | 15:18 |
dantti | hey :) | 15:19 |
dantti | It might be aptcc that needs fixing but we can only be sure if pkcon or gnome-packagekit have the same behavior | 15:19 |
dantti | also it would be nice if you know which package is causing that.. | 15:20 |
ximion | the error information is not really good enough | 15:21 |
ximion | maybe we need to poke hughsie again to allow terminal output to be passed to the backend for debugging | 15:22 |
dantti | ximion: if I use gdebug in the code and packagekitd --verbose is run I could use that but aptcc code doesn't debug this part.. | 15:24 |
dantti | my biggest concern is about + and ~ being used on the pkg version, maybe packagekit removes it 3+git20111005+r160-8~oneiric1 | 15:25 |
ximion | improving aptcc is already on my TODO list, as well as making AppStream support available for Apper | 15:25 |
ximion | I don't think it does... | 15:26 |
ximion | only * is forbidden, afaik | 15:26 |
ximion | ~ and + are bothe allowed | 15:27 |
dantti | weird.. | 15:29 |
dantti | I have no clue ... | 15:29 |
ximion | yofel: hi! have you been able to reproduce this "fails to update" bug with apper? | 15:34 |
ximion | dantti: could this be related to multiarch? | 15:34 |
dantti | ximion: that would be my second bet, but I dunno never used it. | 15:34 |
dantti | It only tell that the package is not found if it can't find a package at that version | 15:35 |
dantti | it doen't look at the arch part | 15:35 |
dantti | but that might be the issue | 15:35 |
ximion | dantti: yes, I guess it is... | 15:35 |
dantti | I dunno if some new code is needed to know the arch.. | 15:35 |
ximion | but: I use multiarch and it works good | 15:36 |
ximion | so, hmm | 15:37 |
ximion | dantti: it is a bit difficult to convince someone to upload Apper if it does not do what it should do... | 15:40 |
dantti | sure, but it's also hard to fix this issue without a test case, also Apper probably does what it should do, I believe aptcc is the one to blame | 15:41 |
ximion | dantti: in this case, it should be safe to upload Apper, because then it works for 90% of all users | 15:41 |
ximion | but I wonder why I don't get bug reports against gpk for this... | 15:42 |
dantti | ximion: probably safe to upload, and also upload a fix for packagekit-aptcc | 15:42 |
ximion | usually, if something's broken, they recognize it in a few hours | 15:42 |
dantti | I believe few people use it ... | 15:42 |
dantti | or don't you think so? | 15:43 |
dantti | There's nothing special in the update ui, it simple pass the pkg id it got from pk, so it should be broken on gpk and pkcon too | 15:43 |
ximion | there are many users, according to popcon | 15:43 |
dantti | hmm | 15:43 |
ximion | of course, not as much as USC users :P | 15:44 |
dantti | hehe | 15:44 |
ximion | dantti: btw, what was the reason not to leave apt's cache open? | 15:47 |
ximion | you once told me that there were "errors" when you did this... | 15:48 |
dantti | ximion: the main problem is that if you run apt-get update on the cmd line the gui will not be aware of that.. | 15:49 |
ximion | (oh, and we also need to take a look at the gui-filter: for some users, it doesn't work :P => http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=638643 ) | 15:49 |
ubottu | Debian bug 638643 in packagekit "packagekit results in no results with graphical package filter." [Normal,Open] | 15:49 |
dantti | tho this could be changed as we have an /etc/apt.d script that tell us it was changed | 15:49 |
dantti | but it also has the problem with the /etc/sources.list which could be fixed too with a watcher... | 15:50 |
ximion | dantti: So, the problem is that if the cache stays open, you can't run apt-get update? | 15:50 |
ximion | or just that the cache needs to be reopened again? | 15:50 |
dantti | you can, but you have a in memory outdated cache.. | 15:50 |
dantti | yes you need to reopen it | 15:51 |
dantti | afaik... | 15:51 |
ximion | on openSUSE, they just tell PK to update | 15:51 |
ximion | (zYpper has a plugin for this) | 15:51 |
ximion | the same should be possible for apt, I guess | 15:51 |
dantti | the problem there is that the gui filter filters by the package section... | 15:52 |
ximion | together with the reworked parallel transactions hughsie is working on, PK-aptcc should become really fast | 15:52 |
ximion | (fast enough for the USC) | 15:52 |
dantti | ximion: it should be, tho on openSUSE things are very bad on that backend... it actualy refreshes the cache before each operation | 15:52 |
dantti | ximion: sure, it just needs testing but would be great to only open the cache on the first run.. | 15:53 |
dantti | I let the way it is now as it's safer.. | 15:53 |
ximion | true | 15:54 |
ximion | but PK needs to become effectively better than the other solutions ;-) | 15:55 |
ximion | at time we have native tools, aptd, qapt and packagekit | 15:55 |
ximion | so we have three different implementations of the same thing | 15:55 |
ximion | having just one would be great | 15:55 |
ximion | and having PK as the solution would be excellent, so code is shared across distributions. | 15:56 |
ximion | and there are already KDE apps making use of PK | 15:56 |
dantti | ximion: I did my last commit for apper 0.7, now descriptions are back to normal. I'll release a tar ball as soon as possible... | 15:59 |
dantti | ximion: I'm giving linux classes right now and the students have just came back from lunch | 15:59 |
dantti | if you have more details or can build a test case we fix this issue but I believe 100% that it is a backend bug... | 16:00 |
ximion | okay | 16:01 |
dantti | cya | 16:02 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: still need that testbuild and testing stuff? | 17:49 |
yofel | bulldog98: seen now, is your package ready? | 18:02 |
shadeslayer | oh my | 18:03 |
bulldog98 | yofel: in about 1min | 18:03 |
shadeslayer | ASSERT: "s->parsed == false" in file /build/buildd/project-neon-kdelibs-2+git20110924+r92127/kdecore/kernel/kcmdlineargs.cpp, line 526 | 18:03 |
yofel | ximion: as I don't usually use mulitarch, nope - for me it worked. The only issue I had was refreshing the cache being far too slow. | 18:05 |
shadeslayer | huh, runs with kcm | 18:05 |
yofel | shadeslayer: where do you have that ancient version from? | 18:05 |
shadeslayer | yofel: neon, haven't updated in forever | 18:07 |
yofel | current is 2+git20111002+snap4.7-59 | 18:07 |
shadeslayer | yup i know | 18:07 |
shadeslayer | wait what | 18:07 |
shadeslayer | snap ? | 18:07 |
yofel | snapshot, as that's the only way to get something from the 4.7 branch | 18:08 |
yofel | the import is junk | 18:08 |
shadeslayer | ah ok | 18:08 |
shadeslayer | right, now i remember | 18:08 |
bulldog98 | yofel: uploaded to ninjas | 18:10 |
yofel | thanks | 18:10 |
* yofel resyncs kdesdk bzr with archive | 18:10 | |
bulldog98 | yofel: btw the 4.7.2 stuff is already uploaded? | 18:11 |
yofel | it'll get into -proposed soon, I'll push it to the public PPA first in an hour or so | 18:11 |
yofel | (make that after your patch is built and tested) | 18:12 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: on neon, compiling apper from git and trying to open something from "Categories" gives me : QSqlDatabasePrivate::database: unable to open database: "unable to open database file Error opening database" | 18:12 |
shadeslayer | so thats broken | 18:13 |
yofel | shadeslayer: yep, same what he got | 18:13 |
shadeslayer | well, i don't get a error dialog | 18:13 |
yofel | and me I think, although I didn't look at xsession-errors | 18:13 |
shadeslayer | thats the debug output from konsole | 18:13 |
* yofel reads backlog | 18:13 | |
shadeslayer | well from the backlog and from the error, it looks as if the db is busted | 18:15 |
* Quintasan would like the Policy KCM back for Precise | 18:16 | |
Quintasan | shadeslayer: Well, yeah, thanks | 18:16 |
shadeslayer | np | 18:16 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: congrats on the visa btw | 18:16 |
* Quintasan wonders why his panel is not transparent when on the right side of the screen | 18:17 | |
shadeslayer | Don't forget yer swimming shorts, there's a hot tub there ^_^ | 18:17 |
Quintasan | I have a new freakin gfx card and effects are not snappy and smooth | 18:17 |
Quintasan | Why the hell deleting .kde is solution to this | 18:17 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: AMD? | 18:17 |
shadeslayer | s/AMD/ATi/ | 18:17 |
kubotu | shadeslayer meant: "Quintasan: ATi?" | 18:17 |
Quintasan | shadeslayer: You kiddin? GeForce GTX560 | 18:18 |
shadeslayer | ah ok | 18:18 |
shadeslayer | maybe it's too new? :P | 18:18 |
Quintasan | ... | 18:20 |
yofel | shouldn't be... my 250GTS worked fine from the day I got it | 18:20 |
Quintasan | Currently I have three problems with my Linux experience | 18:21 |
Quintasan | 1. Why the hell Nepomuk sucks so much | 18:21 |
Quintasan | 2. Why the hell the desktop effects sometime work and sometimes work like shit and sometimes don't work | 18:22 |
Quintasan | 3. Why on Earth deleting your config should resolve problems after updates | 18:22 |
Quintasan | Hmm | 18:22 |
Quintasan | four actually | 18:22 |
Quintasan | 4. Why the hell "sync" isn't getting called when copying stuff onto usb thumb drives | 18:22 |
yofel | 1) sebas is trying to fix that, 2) ask martin 3) agreed 4) at the end or while copying? | 18:23 |
Quintasan | at the end | 18:24 |
yofel | which reminds me I forgot to file a bug for my most annoying plasma issue... | 18:24 |
yofel | what's wrong with sync running at the end? | 18:24 |
yofel | (should be fsync() though I guess) | 18:24 |
Quintasan | NOT running | 18:24 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: I've seen that as well | 18:24 |
Quintasan | I mean | 18:24 |
shadeslayer | files don't get copied properly | 18:24 |
yofel | oooops | 18:24 |
Quintasan | I copy files to a thumb drive | 18:24 |
yofel | I'm tired | 18:24 |
Quintasan | It says it's done | 18:24 |
shadeslayer | yup | 18:25 |
yofel | well, that's why you need to unmount it... | 18:25 |
Quintasan | I try unmounting and it says it can't unmount since something is still being done | 18:25 |
yofel | or "eject" | 18:25 |
shadeslayer | yofel: hangs forever when you do that | 18:25 |
Quintasan | Exactly | 18:25 |
* shadeslayer waves fist at rygel | 18:25 | |
yofel | ah... I think I saw that once | 18:25 |
yofel | I somehow have a habit of running sync by hand lately... | 18:26 |
shadeslayer | i just use rsync now | 18:26 |
shadeslayer | or cp for smaller files | 18:26 |
shadeslayer | for some reason I'm typing in the dark even tho my keyboard has a backlight feature -.- | 18:26 |
shadeslayer | any plans on packaging plasma active 1 ? | 18:29 |
CIA-130 | [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdesdk] Philip Muškovac * 146 * debian/ (patches/no_structures_tool.diff changelog patches/series) Guard includes which are not available if the structures tool is not built. LP: #852430. | 18:31 |
ximion | yofel: okay, thanks. | 18:35 |
ximion | Quintasan: have you read what dantti said? | 18:35 |
Quintasan | ximion: Nope | 18:35 |
ximion | do you think it is okay to upload Apper if it works for most users? | 18:36 |
ximion | the problem you are axperiencing seems to be a corner case... | 18:36 |
ximion | I asked some other people and noone else has this error | 18:36 |
ximion | also, this is a PK error I guess and has nothing to do with Apper | 18:36 |
Quintasan | Well, apart from that I had no problems whatsover with Apper | 18:37 |
Quintasan | ximion: Please recheck if REVU has the right version and let me know so I can take last look at it | 18:38 |
ximion | Quintasan: the version on revu is okay and working | 18:56 |
Quintasan | Splendid. | 18:56 |
ximion | and it's the same as my local version this time :D | 18:56 |
Quintasan | ScottK, ximion: Apper uploaded | 19:03 |
ximion | Quintasan: thank you! | 19:12 |
jussi | Back on KDE after a month of trying Unity. Boy am I glad to be back | 19:50 |
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jussi | anyone about? | 20:03 |
jjesse | no | 20:12 |
jussi | jjesse: lol | 20:17 |
jussi | ANyways, Im in the middle of reporting a bug, but jockey-kde is not being started with kdesudo, therefore not allowing you to change anything. | 20:18 |
jussi | bug 871469 for all interested peoples | 20:27 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 871469 in jockey (Ubuntu) "jockey-kde is not started with root privelidges" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/871469 | 20:27 |
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Quintasan | jussi: Why would you even try this heinous abomination of an GUI? | 20:52 |
yofel | Quintasan: everyone of us has to be open minded | 20:59 |
yofel | bulldog98_: your new kde4libs upload adds a new symbol, please update the symbols file for libplasma3 | 21:05 |
yofel | please push to bzr after doing that and fixing the changelog (and mention that the patch is from upstream please and/or use a dep-3 header in the patch) | 21:07 |
CIA-130 | [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-l10n-common] Philip Muškovac * 108 * debian/ (changelog config) New upstream release (svn: 1256933, type: stable) (PPA upload) | 21:16 |
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ximion | ScottK: Apper is in the Oneiric queue now :) | 22:15 |
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