| Bender_ | Hey everyone | 01:13 |
|---|---|---|
| Bender_ | Can anyone help with a wifi issue? | 01:13 |
| Bender_ | hello? | 01:26 |
| Bender_ | ANYONE THERE? | 01:26 |
| Bender_ | hey | 01:27 |
| stlsaint | Bender_: sup | 01:40 |
| KM0201 | what's the command to reconfigure X... i'm stuck n a console and can't browse for it. | 03:45 |
| Unit193 | !x | 03:48 |
| ubot5 | The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution | 03:48 |
| Unit193 | sudo X --configure | 03:48 |
| KM0201 | hmm, i didn't think that was it, lemme try it | 03:48 |
| KM0201 | thanks. | 03:48 |
| Unit193 | It will make a config file | 03:48 |
| KM0201 | ok. | 03:48 |
| KM0201 | then what?.. dpkg-reconfigure X | 03:49 |
| Unit193 | The file will have to be moved to /etc/X11/ and then sudo restart lxdm | 03:49 |
| Unit193 | Or start | 03:49 |
| KM0201 | ok... where will it create that file? do you know? | 03:49 |
| Unit193 | Current dir | 03:50 |
| KM0201 | gotcha, thanks... lemme try this real quick | 03:50 |
| stlsaint | wb | 03:56 |
| KM0201 | brb | 03:57 |
| KM0201 | <KM0201> thanks Unit193 oddly enough though, when you said that, it dawned on me, the nvidia utility makes a backup of xorg.conf when the driver installs, so i just CD'd to /etc/X11, deleted my xorg.conf, and then cp xorg.conf.backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 03:58 |
| wxl | bioterror: did i mention i got 11.04 going on my powerbook thanks to your help? much appreciated! | 04:02 |
| KM0201 | man, 11.10 is a mess on my desktop | 04:06 |
| KM0201 | i'll have to proceed cautiously if i decide to dup 11.04 for it | 04:06 |
| KM0201 | i must have gotten 30 errors, after the install failed to complete (but the OS still booted, go figure) | 04:07 |
| wxl | KM0201: what was the error? | 04:07 |
| KM0201 | wxl: there were a ton. | 04:08 |
| KM0201 | but the install error, said something about packages could not be accessed from the internet, and to file a bug report. | 04:08 |
| wxl | ahhhh | 04:08 |
| KM0201 | which i did, but when i rebooted, the install worked, it just had to be updated | 04:08 |
| KM0201 | then after that, the nvidia driver kept screwing up... | 04:08 |
| wxl | can you post up /var/log/syslog? | 04:08 |
| wxl | i suspect i know what your problem is | 04:09 |
| KM0201 | not now, done nuked it and am back on 11.04 now. | 04:09 |
| wxl | aw poop | 04:09 |
| KM0201 | it wasn't just nvidia though | 04:09 |
| wxl | you didn't happen to look did you? | 04:09 |
| KM0201 | no | 04:09 |
| wxl | oh well | 04:09 |
| KM0201 | wasn't overly concerned, cuz when i saw the probs, knew i wasn't staying..lol | 04:09 |
| wxl | i had an error with choose-mirror | 04:09 |
| wxl | but from what i could tell it was only with ppc.. not x86 | 04:09 |
| wxl | are you running some other processor than those two? | 04:10 |
| KM0201 | well, i did some googling from the live cd, and most seemed to suggest on my install error, to not choose "download updates" and the "restricted software" and the install would complete | 04:10 |
| KM0201 | no, x86 | 04:10 |
| wxl | i had other errors two (most notable was pygobject) but they were really a matter of packages needing to update | 04:10 |
| wxl | did that work? | 04:11 |
| KM0201 | well, my machine still booted, despite the install error, so.. i would assume it was a minor issue, sinc ethe OS still installed successfully | 04:12 |
| wxl | interesting | 04:12 |
| wxl | i wonder if my errors were just non-errors | 04:12 |
| wxl | i never did try to boot | 04:13 |
| KM0201 | well, they were errors, but... when i looked back ont he install process, i saw all the errors, were after grub was configured | 04:16 |
| KM0201 | so i figured the machine would boot, and it did. | 04:16 |
| KM0201 | so now i'm just doing a bunch of updates to 11.04, | 04:17 |
| wxl | so you're doing a pseudo 11.10? ;) | 04:23 |
| KM0201 | no. | 04:23 |
| KM0201 | i'm just updating 11.04 to current, not upgrading to 11.10 | 04:23 |
| wxl | ah | 04:24 |
| KM0201 | .04 has some annoying quirks, but overall, it works very well, | 04:24 |
| KM0201 | 11.10... obviously its still beta, but... i probably won't be trying it for a while after release | 04:24 |
| wxl | live cd behaves well | 04:27 |
| wxl | but, yeah, if there's issues in the INSTALLER...... | 04:27 |
| KM0201 | yeah.... when that happened, kinda knew i had a rough road ahead of me..lol | 04:27 |
| wxl | i wrestled with it for a LONG time | 04:27 |
| wxl | even tried to do net install | 04:28 |
| KM0201 | hmm | 04:28 |
| KM0201 | i actually considered a net install if i couldn't get the install to pass, but like i said, the install worked.. so never bothered | 04:28 |
| wxl | is there such thing as unified folders in sylpheed? | 05:07 |
| KM0201 | never heard of it | 05:10 |
| KM0201 | but.. | 05:10 |
| KM0201 | sylpheed is just one app i could never warm up to. | 05:10 |
| wxl | maybe i should switch to claws instead | 05:11 |
| wxl | tbird's nice but bloaty | 05:11 |
| HowardTheDuck | hi | 05:43 |
| KM0201 | howdy | 05:56 |
| HowardTheDuck | how goes it | 06:38 |
| wxl | good here | 06:38 |
| HowardTheDuck | cool | 06:39 |
| wxl | wuzzup with u? | 06:39 |
| HowardTheDuck | nada....is there a stable version of lubuntu | 06:40 |
| HowardTheDuck | is it on the official ubuntu docket yet :) | 06:40 |
| wxl | first off what do we want to call stable? lts? | 06:41 |
| HowardTheDuck | yea | 06:42 |
| wxl | well 12.04 is out now | 06:44 |
| wxl | j/k ;) | 06:44 |
| wxl | sadly all there is in the official ubuntu repos is 11.10 beta | 06:45 |
| HowardTheDuck | ahh | 06:46 |
| HowardTheDuck | wahts the latest :) | 06:46 |
| HowardTheDuck | i am running the very first version on my acer laptop | 06:46 |
| wxl | oh of lubuntu? | 06:46 |
| HowardTheDuck | hesitant to upgrade because it took a whole lot of tweaking ot get it work | 06:46 |
| HowardTheDuck | yeah | 06:46 |
| HowardTheDuck | like...getting volume control on the taskbar even lol | 06:46 |
| wxl | huh really, in what sense? | 06:46 |
| wxl | weird | 06:46 |
| wxl | laptops are always a pita tho | 06:47 |
| HowardTheDuck | yeah little things | 06:47 |
| HowardTheDuck | i ought to download it now, check it out | 06:47 |
| wxl | i'm running 11.04 (via the mini.iso method) on a powerrbook | 06:47 |
| wxl | had to do a bit of googling to get the battery, wifi setup | 06:47 |
| wxl | unfortunately ppcs are cursed, i swear | 06:48 |
| HowardTheDuck | damn, heh | 06:48 |
| wxl | but i really do liike this little 12" quasi-laptop/demi-netbook | 06:48 |
| wxl | i had to do some real fuckery to get the processor not to max out and have the thing just shut down on me | 06:49 |
| wxl | i'm still not convinced about that bullshit | 06:49 |
| wxl | but whatever, it works | 06:49 |
| wxl | 11.10 is becoming official quite soon | 06:49 |
| wxl | like really soon http://v.gd/LjNzZs | 06:52 |
| HowardTheDuck | kewl | 06:52 |
| wxl | of course in my experience (maybe only a ppc issue, though someone earlier on x86 was complaining about similar issues), the intaller is borked | 06:53 |
| HowardTheDuck | uh oh | 06:53 |
| HowardTheDuck | how so | 06:53 |
| wxl | for me, i couldn't get around the fact that it was looking for packages at http://mirror instead of http://ports.ubuntu.com | 06:54 |
| wxl | that's one of the reasons i'm not using ocelot | 06:55 |
| wxl | livecd worked fab tho | 06:55 |
| wxl | ..at least from what i could tell.. | 06:55 |
| HowardTheDuck | my workstation is running 10.04 | 06:57 |
| HowardTheDuck | my lappy runs win7 | 06:57 |
| KM0201 | i wouldn't mess w/ 11.10 just yet,... especialy if you're inexperienced... 1. it's still beta, 2. the installer is a mess | 06:57 |
| HowardTheDuck | and my phone is iOS :) | 06:57 |
| wxl | there you go, HowardTheDuck -- KM0201 was the fellow i was mentioning with the installer issues | 06:57 |
| HowardTheDuck | I'm not sure what version of Lubuntu I'm running on my old laptop....I don't want to boot it to find out | 06:58 |
| HowardTheDuck | it's whatever version of Lubuntu came out when Ubuntu 10.04 came out, heh | 06:58 |
| wxl | prolly 10.04 then | 06:58 |
| KM0201 | well, if it's lubuntu, it's either 10.04, 10.10 or 11.04 (assuming you didn't get the beta) | 06:58 |
| HowardTheDuck | 10.04 i guess then yeah | 06:58 |
| HowardTheDuck | :) | 06:58 |
| wxl | i'm hoping to use mac on linux (if i could get the bloody thing intalled) on this powerbook | 06:58 |
| wxl | then i've got my imac which runs os x, but has various flavors of windows 7 and lubuntu running in virtual machines | 06:59 |
| wxl | and then i've got xp at work (yuck) but i've got lubuntu virtualized on it so i can keep my sanity | 06:59 |
| wxl | the other day we were discussing obscure os's for the fun of it.. like morphos | 07:00 |
| HowardTheDuck | hehe | 07:02 |
| HowardTheDuck | i got xp at work too, and office 2000 | 07:02 |
| HowardTheDuck | it's awful | 07:02 |
| wxl | oh yuck | 07:03 |
| HowardTheDuck | yeah they keep upgrading the computers, but refuse to play the license fees for new operating systems and software | 07:03 |
| KM0201 | actually, if i *have* to use a windows OS, i like xp | 07:03 |
| wxl | we've got a custom database built in the WORST legacy system ever-- access .. 95 | 07:03 |
| HowardTheDuck | now shits starting to fall apart and we've got huge IT problems | 07:03 |
| HowardTheDuck | yikes | 07:03 |
| wxl | xp's alright | 07:03 |
| HowardTheDuck | I really like 7 | 07:04 |
| wxl | ..for a honeypot :) | 07:04 |
| HowardTheDuck | as far as getting work done, win7 and office2010 rock IMO | 07:04 |
| wxl | i think 7 is the first serious product ms has put out in a long time | 07:04 |
| HowardTheDuck | yes | 07:04 |
| wxl | i HATE office tho | 07:04 |
| wxl | with a passion | 07:04 |
| KM0201 | i don't like 7... i know i'm in the minority, but i think i've just been a linux user to long | 07:04 |
| wxl | i've been an openoffice (now libreoffice) user forever | 07:05 |
| KM0201 | yeah, same here | 07:05 |
| wxl | KM0201: i agree with you on that completely, but if you have to, all i'm saying is that 7 is decent | 07:05 |
| wxl | i'm definitely the minority myself | 07:05 |
| wxl | i refuse to use pidgin because i just love irssi+bitlbee | 07:06 |
| KM0201 | i like pidgin for an IM client, i hate it for an IRC client | 07:06 |
| HowardTheDuck | bitlbee? | 07:07 |
| HowardTheDuck | wx1 I thought XP was good, but have to admit I was impressed with 7. I love ubuntu 10.04 too | 07:08 |
| wxl | bitlbee is like a tunnel for im through irc | 07:08 |
| HowardTheDuck | interseting | 07:08 |
| wxl | even does facebook | 07:09 |
| wxl | 07:09 | |
| wxl | identica | 07:09 |
| HowardTheDuck | hmm think i finally take the plunge and get a high def receiver for the tv | 07:09 |
| HowardTheDuck | sweet | 07:09 |
| wxl | maybe diaspora one day! | 07:09 |
| HowardTheDuck | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882117398 | 07:09 |
| HowardTheDuck | wonder if that one's any good | 07:09 |
| HowardTheDuck | newegg sent me a coupon to get it for $155 | 07:09 |
| wxl | weird | 07:13 |
| wxl | urls aren't clickable in lxterminal? | 07:13 |
| wxl | never noticed that before | 07:13 |
| wxl | you guys have that issue? | 07:15 |
| KM0201 | hm, keeps wanting to open in another terminal window for me | 07:17 |
| KM0201 | lxterminal is one of thos eapps that annoys me, | 07:17 |
| KM0201 | thus, i use gnome-terminal | 07:17 |
| wxl | argh! | 07:17 |
| wxl | of all the damn things a desktop environment should have absolutely freaking perfected it's the terminal | 07:18 |
| KM0201 | well, that, and the filebrowser. | 07:19 |
| KM0201 | pcman isn't bad, but.. it has some oddball quirks on occasion | 07:19 |
| wxl | meh i usually just use the terminal | 07:19 |
| wxl | more often than not i find it quicker to do what i want to do in terminal | 07:19 |
| KM0201 | yeah, i use the terminal quite a bit (i've got an ubuntu server)... but... sometimes i just like pointing/clicking | 07:19 |
| wxl | like there's a thing in the ubuntu docs about installing fonts that suggests going to vt2, running gksudo nautilus /some/path and then copying files over.. how annoying! | 07:20 |
| KM0201 | yeah, thast is annoying | 07:20 |
| KM0201 | but.. | 07:20 |
| KM0201 | a lot of that, is for new users, who are command line weary | 07:21 |
| wxl | yeah i hear that | 07:21 |
| wxl | again, this is where i'm in the minority | 07:21 |
| wxl | hell, i use the terminal a lot in windows still :) | 07:21 |
| wxl | i remember getting windows 95.. and going out to the terminal and typing some command and it said wrong version.. ran ver and there it was: "Windows 95 DOS".. at that point, we were through. started rolling my own kernels in slackware, but i had been flirting with freebsd over the years so it wasn't a big jump for me | 07:23 |
| KM0201 | i fiddled w/ linux starting w/ 95, was dual booting (but still using win mostly) with win 98, then Windows Me hit.. and i was thoroughly disgusted I paid for that OS> | 07:25 |
| wxl | hahaha yeah glad i escaped that | 07:25 |
| KM0201 | so i started making significant efforts to learn Linux, and get off the Microsoft Tit | 07:25 |
| wxl | yeah, i had a brief love affair with os x along the way | 07:26 |
| wxl | but ultimately it just rekindled my love for freebsd, and subsequently, back to linux i went | 07:26 |
| wxl | i was seriously temped to put bsd on this powerbook though | 07:26 |
| wxl | it would have been very ironic :D | 07:26 |
| bioterror | wxl, good, hope it works smoothly | 07:26 |
| KM0201 | i dual booted, most of "my" XP life cycle, but hardly used XP, now, i just have XP in vbox to sync a zune | 07:27 |
| wxl | bioterror: so far so good actually.. my only concern is processor scaling really | 07:27 |
| wxl | hey while you're here, bioterror -- do YOU know anything about links not being clickable in lxterminal? | 07:27 |
| wxl | and does sylpheed have anything like a unified inbox? | 07:28 |
| mark76 | Morning stlsaint | 07:35 |
| stlsaint | yo yo | 07:40 |
| mark76 | How early is it for you? | 07:41 |
| bioterror | wxl, I do not know about that. I really hardly use elinks, lynx or w3m | 08:46 |
| Giane | hi all | 09:03 |
| draioch | hi i typed in sudo do-release-upgrade -d for a upgrade to lubuntu after extractions i cancelled it cause it would be taking hours how can i remove or check anything extracted is gone | 11:37 |
| bioterror | your sources.list is changed | 11:39 |
| draioch | thanks bioterror should i worry about it or just leave it | 11:46 |
| bioterror | well | 11:47 |
| bioterror | you should revert it back | 11:47 |
| bioterror | if you're not going to upgrade | 11:47 |
| draioch | yea it was a moment of madness is easy to revert back | 11:50 |
| draioch | sry *is it easy to revert back | 11:53 |
| bioterror | /etc/apt/ | 12:01 |
| bioterror | sources.list | 12:01 |
| draioch | thx bioterror so i find that directory and delete sources.list? | 12:08 |
| bioterror | you edit it | 12:11 |
| bioterror | :D | 12:11 |
| bioterror | oneirc >> natty | 12:12 |
| bioterror | if it's changed | 12:12 |
| draioch | thx bioterror found sources.list http://pastebin.com/rapyXK0a | 12:18 |
| draioch | sry bioterror can u help pls dont know what to edit on that sources.list http://pastebin.com/rapyXK0a | 12:26 |
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| Guest80755 | hello | 13:05 |
| Guest80755 | anyone have a moment to spare? | 13:06 |
| Guest80755 | need a little help | 13:07 |
| Guest80755 | I installed lubuntu to take over xubuntu yesterday | 13:08 |
| Guest80755 | and I used to share the internet connection of the xubuntu machine with a windows machine | 13:08 |
| Guest80755 | and it worked very easily, by simply using the network connections editor and ticking "share internet connection with other machines" or something under the wired connection auto eth0 | 13:09 |
| Guest80755 | but now doing so makes windows look for the connection, but it just tries to aquire ip address before giving up | 13:10 |
| patlord | hello | 13:14 |
| patlord | i have a little problem with lubuntu 10.04 | 13:16 |
| patlord | no answer :( | 13:18 |
| draioch | wait around someone eventually answers or repost in a while ;) | 13:21 |
| silverarrow | is anyone here on a sunday? | 13:39 |
| silverarrow | I feel I need a bit support installing lubuntu | 13:39 |
| silverarrow | I am partitioning the hd, and attempt at dual install | 13:40 |
| Ade_ | anyone? the "share internet connection with other machines" doesn't seem to work, auto eth0 seems to fail connecting | 13:46 |
| Ade_ | it used to work just fine under xubuntu and the same windows machine | 13:47 |
| silverarrow | hi | 13:51 |
| silverarrow | Ade_, should work much the same really | 13:52 |
| silverarrow | identical apps | 13:52 |
| silverarrow | Ade_, ? | 13:52 |
| silverarrow | hi | 13:58 |
| bioterror | I would probably share with iptables | 13:59 |
| silverarrow | bioterror, are you in 11.10? | 13:59 |
| bioterror | silverarrow, no I am not | 14:00 |
| silverarrow | I see | 14:02 |
| silverarrow | you are waiting until release to try it? | 14:02 |
| bioterror | I'm just looking for motivation to move files from my old work laptop to new work laptop | 14:02 |
| bioterror | so that I could run Lubuntu on it, but oh well, I've had better things to do | 14:03 |
| silverarrow | oh I see | 14:04 |
| silverarrow | I had my computer run all night moving documents folder to external hd | 14:04 |
| silverarrow | flippin 12 hours !! | 14:04 |
| silverarrow | like being stuck in bog | 14:05 |
| bioterror | you moved about 500-600GB of data | 14:06 |
| m6locks | heh, can't avoid lovecraftian connotations when talking about bogs | 14:07 |
| draioch | lovecraftian, you mean robert the genius ;) | 14:13 |
| m6locks | umm, lovecraftian as in the genre | 14:15 |
| leszek | hi | 14:33 |
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| silverarrow | any grub experts? | 15:44 |
| silverarrow | I am trying to dual boot the new lubuntu | 15:45 |
| silverarrow | I have it all installed | 15:45 |
| silverarrow | and wonder how the grub2 stuff works | 15:45 |
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| === Guest68084 is now known as sharp | ||
| === sharp is now known as sharparrow | ||
| silverarrow | hi | 16:36 |
| === silverarrow is now known as Guest34934 | ||
| Guest34934 | anyone recently installed 11.01? | 16:37 |
| === Guest34934 is now known as sharparrow | ||
| sharparrow | what is up with my nick? | 16:37 |
| sharparrow | I have just installed lubuntu 11.10 | 16:38 |
| sharparrow | I found one update | 16:38 |
| john_rambo | gettting the messsage "unable to lauch gnome session" in a fresh Lubuntu install | 16:43 |
| bioterror | john_rambo, do you have automatic logon? | 16:43 |
| john_rambo | need to select Lubuntu every time as session...... bioterror Yes | 16:44 |
| bioterror | hmmm | 16:44 |
| bioterror | that could cause it | 16:44 |
| bioterror | you get that X11 box | 16:44 |
| bioterror | you could try to remove automatic logon from what was that file | 16:45 |
| john_rambo | bioterror, Sorrry but what should I do next ? | 16:46 |
| bioterror | sudo nano /etc/lxdm/default.conf | 16:46 |
| bioterror | and comment "autologin=yourusername" out | 16:46 |
| bioterror | #autologin=... | 16:46 |
| john_rambo | bioterror, Done | 16:48 |
| bioterror | john_rambo, now you can try to restart lxdm | 16:49 |
| bioterror | and it will be like "restart" of computer | 16:49 |
| bioterror | you will loose all the applications | 16:49 |
| john_rambo | Cant use auto login in Lubuntu ? | 16:49 |
| bioterror | give it a try | 16:49 |
| john_rambo | bioterror, BRB | 16:50 |
| bioterror | john_rambo, did it work? | 16:52 |
| john_rambo | bioterror, YES | 16:52 |
| john_rambo | but autologin is gone | 16:52 |
| bioterror | yeah | 16:52 |
| bioterror | weird bug that is | 16:53 |
| john_rambo | bioterror, Thanks | 16:53 |
| bioterror | one almost satisfied customer | 16:54 |
| draioch | sry bioterror re post today around half one: can u help pls dont know what to edit on that sources.list http://pastebin.com/rapyXK0a "oneirc >> natty" | 16:54 |
| bioterror | ahhh | 16:55 |
| bioterror | do you have vi or vim installed? | 16:55 |
| draioch | thx bioterror no - dont even know what it is | 16:56 |
| bioterror | sudo apt-get install vi ;) | 16:56 |
| bioterror | then you can say in terminal | 16:56 |
| bioterror | vi /etc/apt/sources.list | 16:56 |
| bioterror | when you see that file opened | 16:56 |
| bioterror | you type | 16:56 |
| bioterror | :%s/oneiric/natty/g | 16:57 |
| bioterror | :wq! | 16:57 |
| bioterror | what do you guys think, should I learn to use sed? | 16:59 |
| Unit193 | bioterror: It's helpful | 17:00 |
| draioch | thx bioterror vim installed i typed "vi /etc/apt/sources.list" and now i have a page of contents of sources.list in coloured type, but no cursor to type ":%s/oneiric/natty/g" | 17:02 |
| bioterror | draioch, you just press : | 17:03 |
| bioterror | and you type that %s/ | 17:03 |
| draioch | ah thx | 17:03 |
| bioterror | : =starts command | 17:03 |
| bioterror | I dunno how you do that in nano | 17:04 |
| draioch | \o/ think it worked thx it changed some lines | 17:04 |
| bioterror | yes | 17:05 |
| bioterror | then you save it by typing: :wq! | 17:05 |
| bioterror | w = write, q = quit, ! = NAO! | 17:05 |
| draioch | thx but now says ""/etc/apt/sources.list" E212: Can't open file for writing" after i typed "wq!" | 17:07 |
| bioterror | remember :wq! | 17:08 |
| bioterror | did you forget to say: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list | 17:09 |
| bioterror | if you didnt use sudo, then you have to type :q! and do it again with sudo | 17:09 |
| draioch | ill try again thx | 17:09 |
| bioterror | I'm looking for a bike frames atm. so I'm not that concentrating ;) | 17:10 |
| draioch | no worries just glad for the help thx | 17:10 |
| sharparrow | I regret the daily install | 17:11 |
| sharparrow | crashing on boot | 17:11 |
| sharparrow | on first boot I mean | 17:11 |
| pip__ | from the 7th? | 17:11 |
| sharparrow | yes | 17:12 |
| sharparrow | friday? | 17:12 |
| draioch | \o/ bioterror worked this time using the sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list | 17:12 |
| pip__ | yes | 17:12 |
| draioch | thx thx | 17:12 |
| bioterror | draioch, ;) | 17:12 |
| sharparrow | nasty daily on friday then | 17:13 |
| sharparrow | no updates either | 17:13 |
| sharparrow | has there been any fixes you know about pip__ ? | 17:13 |
| draioch | i need to learn all this shit big time so i dont be bothering the like of u bioterror whats a good place to start CBT nuggets? | 17:13 |
| pip__ | to be honest mine's okay | 17:13 |
| bioterror | draioch, that's why we are here | 17:13 |
| bioterror | to help and assist | 17:13 |
| pip__ | Software center won't install properly | 17:13 |
| bioterror | probably also to protect & serve ;) | 17:13 |
| pip__ | but thats minor compared to some stuff | 17:13 |
| sharparrow | I usually stick with package manager | 17:14 |
| pip__ | I've only just installed if I'm honest | 17:14 |
| sharparrow | which crashed on first launch | 17:14 |
| pip__ | yeah, I thought I'd give it a go though | 17:14 |
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| sharparrow | I found one update, and installed | 17:14 |
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| pip__ | h'mmmmm, I had a bunch today | 17:15 |
| pip__ | I've been having problems with a test box too | 17:15 |
| pip__ | whenver I do updates a reboot fails | 17:15 |
| sharparrow | last lubuntu (11.04) slided on to this laptop | 17:15 |
| sharparrow | It might be a daily bug of some sort | 17:15 |
| pip__ | needs hard shutdown | 17:16 |
| sharparrow | I see | 17:16 |
| pip__ | I think mine could be hardware | 17:16 |
| pip__ | it is a properly ancient piece of kit :) | 17:16 |
| sharparrow | I have had that it puppylinux, not hard like powerbutton, more like complete shutdown, then press power on, odd really | 17:16 |
| pip__ | ah, when Ive rebooted after updates it just hangs, so I have to power button off | 17:17 |
| pip__ | reset just gives the same result | 17:17 |
| sharparrow | hmm, | 17:17 |
| pip__ | but, on this old laptop no such problem | 17:17 |
| sharparrow | issues | 17:17 |
| pip__ | so..I'm thinking hardware | 17:18 |
| sharparrow | you have it on two different systems? | 17:18 |
| sharparrow | you could check disk for heath | 17:18 |
| sharparrow | hd I mean | 17:18 |
| sharparrow | disk utility | 17:18 |
| pip__ | yeah, I think u may be right. | 17:19 |
| pip__ | since I put the HDD in it's been nothing but trouble | 17:19 |
| sharparrow | old or new? | 17:19 |
| pip__ | old, I have a bunch lying round | 17:19 |
| sharparrow | hopefully most of them are fine | 17:20 |
| sharparrow | are you in lubuntu now? | 17:20 |
| pip__ | this'll be 2 that are no good | 17:20 |
| pip__ | yeah, but on an old laptop | 17:20 |
| pip__ | not as old as my test box though :) | 17:20 |
| sharparrow | I get rid of them, can't use bad hard drives | 17:20 |
| sharparrow | some hard drives live for ever | 17:20 |
| pip__ | its a lottery really | 17:21 |
| sharparrow | my father's computer is like from the 90's still alive | 17:21 |
| pip__ | I inherited them from a friend | 17:21 |
| sharparrow | he finally got a new one this summer | 17:21 |
| pip__ | cool | 17:21 |
| pip__ | what was his old one like? | 17:21 |
| pip__ | I found a 10.2 Gb hdd a few days ago | 17:22 |
| sharparrow | the old hd is like a big clunky thing | 17:22 |
| sharparrow | not large, like 30GB | 17:22 |
| sharparrow | neither regular ide or sata | 17:22 |
| pip__ | I may swap out the other one with that | 17:22 |
| pip__ | wow, thats freaky | 17:22 |
| sharparrow | it was all fine in lubuntu, and xp, but norton antivirus killed the system | 17:23 |
| sharparrow | made it really slow | 17:23 |
| pip__ | for some reason I dont trust norton | 17:23 |
| sharparrow | I suppose it works, but a real hog on cpu and ram | 17:23 |
| pip__ | thats just what you dont want really | 17:24 |
| sharparrow | can't use it at all on minimal specs | 17:24 |
| pip__ | I've been lucky & manged to find odd sticks of old RAM to throw into stuff | 17:25 |
| pip__ | I've created some real monstrosities lol | 17:26 |
| sharparrow | 10.2 GB is not bad if it's fine | 17:26 |
| sharparrow | just store stuff on external units | 17:26 |
| sharparrow | lol | 17:26 |
| sharparrow | laptops or regular desktops? | 17:26 |
| pip__ | 2desktops | 17:26 |
| sharparrow | I haven't had access to old replacement hardware, so I have bought new | 17:26 |
| pip__ | my own test box & my dads PC | 17:26 |
| pip__ | had to buy ram for this laptop, but twas worth it | 17:27 |
| pip__ | gave it a new lease of life | 17:27 |
| sharparrow | yes, ram can be very lowpriced these days | 17:27 |
| pip__ | especially running lubuntu | 17:27 |
| sharparrow | i regret deleting 1104 now | 17:27 |
| sharparrow | darn | 17:27 |
| pip__ | I found a128bit ati graphics card the other day | 17:28 |
| pip__ | threw it into my dads box & xp found drivers & everything | 17:28 |
| sharparrow | they are good? | 17:28 |
| pip__ | not got a disc/ | 17:28 |
| sharparrow | xp is usually good like that | 17:28 |
| sharparrow | i have trouble with buntus and some graphic cards and drivers | 17:29 |
| pip__ | well, it works & I can hve eyecandy on the Ubuntu system that's in there too :) | 17:29 |
| sharparrow | more easily adjusted in puppu linux | 17:29 |
| pip__ | I was quite surprised | 17:29 |
| pip__ | Ive never been able to get wireless to work in Puppy | 17:29 |
| sharparrow | it runs Ubuntu fine? | 17:30 |
| sharparrow | does depend on some wifi cards | 17:30 |
| sharparrow | ralink is usualy good | 17:30 |
| sharparrow | bradcom can be a pain | 17:30 |
| sharparrow | drivers are there, but have to be searched for | 17:30 |
| sharparrow | broadcom* | 17:30 |
| pip__ | h'mmmmm, I tthink this is an Intel built in device | 17:31 |
| sharparrow | simple wireless setup is the one I find easy in pupppy | 17:31 |
| pip__ | I gave up in the end lol | 17:31 |
| pip__ | stuck with lubuntu | 17:31 |
| sharparrow | which puppy did you try? | 17:31 |
| sharparrow | lubuntu is idiot proof | 17:32 |
| pip__ | I think it was 5, must be about a year ago | 17:32 |
| pip__ | good job cos guess what? | 17:32 |
| pip__ | :) | 17:32 |
| sharparrow | latest is 528, a few bugs fixed | 17:32 |
| sharparrow | even an update for it | 17:32 |
| pip__ | well, with the extra ram this box flies | 17:32 |
| sharparrow | I am doing a lubuntu/puppy dual boot | 17:33 |
| pip__ | h'mmmmmmm, I may take a look at that again | 17:33 |
| sharparrow | but have to wait for a better daily or the final launch | 17:33 |
| sharparrow | wireless should be easy | 17:33 |
| pip__ | it's only a few days | 17:33 |
| sharparrow | yes | 17:34 |
| pip__ | I'm very impatient though | 17:34 |
| sharparrow | darn, I killed my 11.04 | 17:34 |
| pip__ | what did you install from USB or CD? | 17:34 |
| sharparrow | cd | 17:34 |
| pip__ | I'd reinstall | 17:34 |
| pip__ | I've done 2 installs today | 17:35 |
| pip__ | cos software center annoyed me | 17:35 |
| sharparrow | I did check filesum, and disk health on bootup too | 17:35 |
| sharparrow | lubuntu has software centre? | 17:35 |
| pip__ | through ppa | 17:35 |
| pip__ | but tody it borked on me | 17:35 |
| pip__ | today^ | 17:36 |
| sharparrow | I had to boot in puppy, cd and savefile | 17:36 |
| sharparrow | unfortunate | 17:36 |
| pip__ | so i reinstalled friday's daily, updated & left it alone | 17:36 |
| sharparrow | how does you hard disk come out? | 17:36 |
| pip__ | on this box it doesn't. the one at home just unscrews from its bay | 17:37 |
| pip__ | I'm not at home right now by the way | 17:37 |
| sharparrow | oh, I mean, how it rates in disk utility | 17:37 |
| sharparrow | i see | 17:37 |
| pip__ | oh, this has 10 bad sectors | 17:37 |
| bioterror | :D | 17:38 |
| sharparrow | oh | 17:38 |
| sharparrow | cannot be good | 17:38 |
| pip__ | because when xp stopped working i threw it across the room | 17:38 |
| sharparrow | I don't know if they can be fixed ? | 17:38 |
| pip__ | it had 39 at one point | 17:38 |
| pip__ | I zeroed the drive | 17:38 |
| sharparrow | I just buy a new one, and throw old that are definitely bad in the garbage | 17:38 |
| pip__ | its only a matter of time until it dis really >:o | 17:38 |
| pip__ | dies | 17:39 |
| sharparrow | sad | 17:39 |
| pip__ | this is a laptop, so 'm not happy about tking it apart | 17:39 |
| bioterror | I remember, about a year ago or something I just fixed a certain problem with my Dell D500 | 17:39 |
| bioterror | then my daughter pulls power cable so that the connector gets broken :D | 17:39 |
| bioterror | I got so mad that I threw that laptop on floor and jumped on it :D | 17:39 |
| sharparrow | I have changed fan, cpu ram and hdd in laptops | 17:39 |
| pip__ | lol, | 17:39 |
| bioterror | I slammed that laptop with full force on the floor :D | 17:40 |
| sharparrow | some laptops are easy, acer, fujitsu, packard bell, dell... | 17:40 |
| sharparrow | HP are a horror to take apart | 17:40 |
| bioterror | sharparrow, try iBook ;) | 17:40 |
| pip__ | This looks like it would be a real pain to be honest | 17:40 |
| bioterror | replace iBook's hdd | 17:40 |
| sharparrow | oh, actually I am looking for an older ibook to play around with | 17:41 |
| bioterror | you will cry blood from your third eye ;) | 17:41 |
| pip__ | bioterror, did you fix the damage | 17:41 |
| sharparrow | lol | 17:41 |
| pip__ | lol | 17:41 |
| pip__ | or am I expecting too much? | 17:41 |
| pip__ | I mean I KNOW you're good........... | 17:41 |
| sharparrow | older laptops often have access to hard drive under the keyboard | 17:42 |
| bioterror | http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002249.html EXTRA, EXTRA! | 17:42 |
| pip__ | i can get to the ram on this easy | 17:42 |
| bioterror | I have fixed my wife's stinkpad T40p a lot. I've even changed lcd panels inverter and stuff like that | 17:43 |
| pip__ | woah, that's too much for me | 17:43 |
| bioterror | but I decided to upgrade that T40p to Dell D630 | 17:43 |
| pip__ | I'm only just learning to build desktops | 17:44 |
| pip__ | yeah, I think when this lappy dies that'll be it | 17:44 |
| pip__ | I'm so sick of being spied upon by the government | 17:44 |
| pip__ | good find bioterror | 17:45 |
| pip__ | or am I just paranoid? | 17:45 |
| bioterror | possible | 17:45 |
| pip__ | anyway guys got to go | 17:46 |
| pip__ | will catch up with you in the week | 17:46 |
| pip__ | looking forward to thursday \0/ | 17:46 |
| sharparrow | new screens are expensive | 17:46 |
| sharparrow | I don't mind buy a new hdd too much, it can always live on after, but other parts not so much | 17:47 |
| sharparrow | anyone booted in 11.10? | 17:48 |
| bioterror | sharparrow, that's why I prefer 2nd hand machines for free ;) | 17:49 |
| sharparrow | true | 17:49 |
| sharparrow | can't cost much if they are to be worth it | 17:49 |
| sharparrow | if anything at all | 17:50 |
| sharparrow | I've seen people sell old ibooks for way to much | 17:50 |
| bioterror | I dont see much value in iBook, powerbooks yes | 17:50 |
| sharparrow | they have good screens | 17:50 |
| sharparrow | and graphic | 17:50 |
| bioterror | no they does not ;) | 17:51 |
| sharparrow | powerbooks I mean | 17:51 |
| bioterror | 12" PowerBook is greatest | 17:51 |
| sharparrow | ibooks are small, light, and very good battery | 17:51 |
| bioterror | but I bet my Dell D430 beats 1.2GHz G4 | 17:51 |
| sharparrow | but all older laptops need replacement usually, battery | 17:52 |
| sharparrow | new systems always better | 17:52 |
| sharparrow | ar* | 17:52 |
| sharparrow | usually | 17:52 |
| bioterror | but this D430 is a 12" laptop, so is Powerbook 12" ;) | 17:54 |
| sharparrow | what can cause app crashes in 11.10? | 17:54 |
| sharparrow | dual core cpu? | 17:55 |
| sharparrow | new laptops are nice, all clean, shiny, not a scratch | 17:55 |
| bioterror | and D430 costs ~300 used and they ask same for the powerbook | 17:56 |
| sharparrow | I am replacing the battery cells in a laptop battery | 17:56 |
| sharparrow | hardly worth it | 17:56 |
| sharparrow | if the look nice, and light use perhaps | 17:57 |
| bioterror | sharparrow, it's cheaper to buy a battery from dealextreme than replace cells yourself | 17:57 |
| sharparrow | 1.2GH cpu isnt' that much | 17:57 |
| sharparrow | it is? | 17:57 |
| bioterror | look yourself | 17:57 |
| sharparrow | trouble is this is an older laptop, nobody bothers with it anymore | 17:58 |
| bioterror | dealxtreme has a battery for it! | 17:59 |
| bioterror | i'm sure | 17:59 |
| sharparrow | much easier to get a real battery | 18:00 |
| sharparrow | 30$ for new battery cells, better than original | 18:02 |
| sharparrow | more mAh | 18:02 |
| sharparrow | but a bit fickely with the plastic box, and soldering | 18:02 |
| sharparrow | not sure I can manage the plastic casing | 18:03 |
| sharparrow | the Friday daily build was a bad one | 18:05 |
| bossman | This is my first time using a non-gnome system. Should I avoid installing certain programs in LXDE? Is LibreOffice avoided just because it is heavy on resources? | 18:23 |
| bioterror | bossman, I would install LibreOffice | 18:24 |
| compdoc | I get a blank screen when launching the lubuntu disk. Tried F6 Options and turned off apci, nomodeset, and the others. no diff | 18:27 |
| bioterror | what if you press ctrl+alt+f1 | 18:32 |
| bioterror | and you get into console? | 18:33 |
| bioterror | can you type into that shell prompt: sudo service lxdm restart | 18:33 |
| compdoc | no response. the hard drive light seems to stay lit too. It seems to be crashed. | 18:35 |
| compdoc | Same with Try lubuntu | 18:35 |
| bioterror | hmmm | 18:36 |
| compdoc | live, I mean | 18:36 |
| compdoc | ubuntu 11.04 is no problem | 18:37 |
| bioterror | there's nothing much to be done with live enviroments | 18:37 |
| compdoc | well, I was intending to install when I hit this | 18:37 |
| bioterror | take mini.iso and pull packages from internet ;) | 18:38 |
| compdoc | might do - the iso was a torrent. maybe its bad | 18:39 |
| bioterror | !mini | compdoc | 18:39 |
| ubot5 | compdoc: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD | 18:39 |
| compdoc | its lubuntu? | 18:39 |
| bioterror | you make it to be lubuntu ;) | 18:40 |
| bioterror | mini.iso is just a lubuntu base files | 18:41 |
| bioterror | then you can install what ever you want | 18:41 |
| compdoc | tried again. it is a crash. thats a shame. this is only a test - just wanted to try lubuntu | 18:42 |
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