[01:13] <Bender_> Hey everyone
[01:13] <Bender_> Can anyone help with a wifi issue?
[01:26] <Bender_> hello?
[01:26] <Bender_> ANYONE THERE?
[01:27] <Bender_> hey
[01:40] <stlsaint> Bender_: sup
[03:45] <KM0201> what's the command to reconfigure X... i'm stuck n a console and can't browse for it.
[03:48] <Unit193> !x
[03:48] <Unit193> sudo X --configure
[03:48] <KM0201> hmm, i didn't think that was it, lemme try it
[03:48] <KM0201> thanks.
[03:48] <Unit193> It will make a config file
[03:48] <KM0201> ok.
[03:49] <KM0201> then what?.. dpkg-reconfigure X
[03:49] <Unit193> The file will have to be moved to /etc/X11/ and then sudo restart lxdm
[03:49] <Unit193> Or start
[03:49] <KM0201> ok... where will it create that file? do you know?
[03:50] <Unit193> Current dir
[03:50] <KM0201> gotcha, thanks... lemme try this real quick
[03:56] <stlsaint> wb
[03:57] <KM0201> brb
 thanks Unit193 oddly enough though, when you said that, it dawned on me, the nvidia utility makes a backup of xorg.conf when the driver installs, so i just CD'd to /etc/X11, deleted my xorg.conf, and then cp xorg.conf.backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:02] <wxl> bioterror: did i mention i got 11.04 going on my powerbook thanks to your help? much appreciated!
[04:06] <KM0201> man, 11.10 is a mess on my desktop
[04:06] <KM0201> i'll have to proceed cautiously if i decide to dup 11.04 for it
[04:07] <KM0201> i must have gotten 30 errors, after the install failed to complete (but the OS still booted, go figure)
[04:07] <wxl> KM0201: what was the error?
[04:08] <KM0201> wxl: there were a ton.
[04:08] <KM0201> but the install error, said something about packages could not be accessed from the internet, and to file a bug report.
[04:08] <wxl> ahhhh
[04:08] <KM0201> which i did, but when i rebooted, the install worked, it just had to be updated
[04:08] <KM0201> then after that, the nvidia driver kept screwing up...
[04:08] <wxl> can you post up /var/log/syslog?
[04:09] <wxl> i suspect i know what your problem is
[04:09] <KM0201> not now, done nuked it and am back on 11.04 now.
[04:09] <wxl> aw poop
[04:09] <KM0201> it wasn't just nvidia though
[04:09] <wxl> you didn't happen to look did you?
[04:09] <KM0201> no
[04:09] <wxl> oh well
[04:09] <KM0201> wasn't overly concerned, cuz when i saw the probs, knew i wasn't staying..lol
[04:09] <wxl> i had an error with choose-mirror
[04:09] <wxl> but from what i could tell it was only with ppc.. not x86
[04:10] <wxl> are you running some other processor than those two?
[04:10] <KM0201> well, i did some googling from the live cd, and most seemed to suggest on my install error, to not choose "download updates" and the "restricted software" and the install would complete
[04:10] <KM0201> no, x86
[04:10] <wxl> i had other errors two (most notable was pygobject) but they were really a matter of packages needing to update
[04:11] <wxl> did that work?
[04:12] <KM0201> well, my machine still booted, despite the install error, so.. i would assume it was a minor issue, sinc ethe OS still installed successfully
[04:12] <wxl> interesting
[04:12] <wxl> i wonder if my errors were just non-errors
[04:13] <wxl> i never did try to boot
[04:16] <KM0201> well, they were errors, but... when i looked back ont he install process, i saw all the errors, were after grub was configured
[04:16] <KM0201> so i figured the machine would boot, and it did.
[04:17] <KM0201> so now i'm just doing a bunch of updates to 11.04,
[04:23] <wxl> so you're doing a pseudo 11.10? ;)
[04:23] <KM0201> no.
[04:23] <KM0201> i'm just updating 11.04 to current, not upgrading to 11.10
[04:24] <wxl> ah
[04:24] <KM0201> .04 has some annoying quirks, but overall, it works very well,
[04:24] <KM0201> 11.10... obviously its still beta, but... i probably won't be trying it for a while after release
[04:27] <wxl> live cd behaves well
[04:27] <wxl> but, yeah, if there's issues in the INSTALLER......
[04:27] <KM0201> yeah.... when that happened, kinda knew i had a rough road ahead of me..lol
[04:27] <wxl> i wrestled with it for a LONG time
[04:28] <wxl> even tried to do net install
[04:28] <KM0201> hmm
[04:28] <KM0201> i actually considered a net install if i couldn't get the install to pass, but like i said, the install worked.. so never bothered
[05:07] <wxl> is there such thing as unified folders in sylpheed?
[05:10] <KM0201> never heard of it
[05:10] <KM0201> but..
[05:10] <KM0201> sylpheed is just one app i could never warm up to.
[05:11] <wxl> maybe i should switch to claws instead
[05:11] <wxl> tbird's nice but bloaty
[05:43] <HowardTheDuck> hi
[05:56] <KM0201> howdy
[06:38] <HowardTheDuck> how goes it
[06:38] <wxl> good here
[06:39] <HowardTheDuck> cool
[06:39] <wxl> wuzzup with u?
[06:40] <HowardTheDuck> nada....is there a stable version of lubuntu
[06:40] <HowardTheDuck> is it on the official ubuntu docket yet :)
[06:41] <wxl> first off what do we want to call stable? lts?
[06:42] <HowardTheDuck> yea
[06:44] <wxl> well 12.04 is out now
[06:44] <wxl> j/k ;)
[06:45] <wxl> sadly all there is in the official ubuntu repos is 11.10 beta
[06:46] <HowardTheDuck> ahh
[06:46] <HowardTheDuck> wahts the latest :)
[06:46] <HowardTheDuck> i am running the very first version on my acer laptop
[06:46] <wxl> oh of lubuntu?
[06:46] <HowardTheDuck> hesitant to upgrade because it took a whole lot of tweaking ot get it work
[06:46] <HowardTheDuck> yeah
[06:46] <HowardTheDuck> like...getting volume control on the taskbar even lol
[06:46] <wxl> huh really, in what sense?
[06:46] <wxl> weird
[06:47] <wxl> laptops are always a pita tho
[06:47] <HowardTheDuck> yeah little things
[06:47] <HowardTheDuck> i ought to download it now, check it out
[06:47] <wxl> i'm running 11.04 (via the mini.iso method) on a powerrbook
[06:47] <wxl> had to do a bit of googling to get the battery, wifi setup
[06:48] <wxl> unfortunately ppcs are cursed, i swear
[06:48] <HowardTheDuck> damn, heh
[06:48] <wxl> but i really do liike this little 12" quasi-laptop/demi-netbook
[06:49] <wxl> i had to do some real fuckery to get the processor not to max out and have the thing just shut down on me
[06:49] <wxl> i'm still not convinced about that bullshit
[06:49] <wxl> but whatever, it works
[06:49] <wxl> 11.10 is becoming official quite soon
[06:52] <wxl> like really soon http://v.gd/LjNzZs
[06:52] <HowardTheDuck> kewl
[06:53] <wxl> of course in my experience (maybe only a ppc issue, though someone earlier on x86 was complaining about similar issues), the intaller is borked
[06:53] <HowardTheDuck> uh oh
[06:53] <HowardTheDuck> how so
[06:54] <wxl> for me, i couldn't get around the fact that it was looking for packages at http://mirror instead of http://ports.ubuntu.com
[06:55] <wxl> that's one of the reasons i'm not using ocelot
[06:55] <wxl> livecd worked fab tho
[06:55] <wxl> ..at least from what i could tell..
[06:57] <HowardTheDuck> my workstation is running 10.04
[06:57] <HowardTheDuck> my lappy runs win7
[06:57] <KM0201> i wouldn't mess w/ 11.10 just yet,... especialy if you're inexperienced... 1. it's still beta, 2. the installer is a mess
[06:57] <HowardTheDuck> and my phone is iOS :)
[06:57] <wxl> there you go, HowardTheDuck -- KM0201 was the fellow i was mentioning with the installer issues
[06:58] <HowardTheDuck> I'm not sure what version of Lubuntu I'm running on my old laptop....I don't want to boot it to find out
[06:58] <HowardTheDuck> it's whatever version of Lubuntu came out when Ubuntu 10.04 came out, heh
[06:58] <wxl> prolly 10.04 then
[06:58] <KM0201> well, if it's lubuntu, it's either 10.04, 10.10 or 11.04 (assuming you didn't get the beta)
[06:58] <HowardTheDuck> 10.04 i guess then yeah
[06:58] <HowardTheDuck> :)
[06:58] <wxl> i'm hoping to use mac on linux (if i could get the bloody thing intalled) on this powerbook
[06:59] <wxl> then i've got my imac which runs os x, but has various flavors of windows 7 and lubuntu running in virtual machines
[06:59] <wxl> and then i've got xp at work (yuck) but i've got lubuntu virtualized on it so i can keep my sanity
[07:00] <wxl> the other day we were discussing obscure os's for the fun of it.. like morphos
[07:02] <HowardTheDuck> hehe
[07:02] <HowardTheDuck> i got xp at work too, and office 2000
[07:02] <HowardTheDuck> it's awful
[07:03] <wxl> oh yuck
[07:03] <HowardTheDuck> yeah they keep upgrading the computers, but refuse to play the license fees for new operating systems and software
[07:03] <KM0201> actually, if i *have* to use a windows OS, i like xp
[07:03] <wxl> we've got a custom database built in the WORST legacy system ever-- access .. 95
[07:03] <HowardTheDuck> now shits starting to fall apart and we've got huge IT problems
[07:03] <HowardTheDuck> yikes
[07:03] <wxl> xp's alright
[07:04] <HowardTheDuck> I really like 7
[07:04] <wxl> ..for a honeypot :)
[07:04] <HowardTheDuck> as far as getting work done, win7 and office2010 rock IMO
[07:04] <wxl> i think 7 is the first serious product ms has put out in a long time
[07:04] <HowardTheDuck> yes
[07:04] <wxl> i HATE office tho
[07:04] <wxl> with a passion
[07:04] <KM0201> i don't like 7... i know i'm in the minority, but i think i've just been a linux user to long
[07:05] <wxl> i've been an openoffice (now libreoffice) user forever
[07:05] <KM0201> yeah, same here
[07:05] <wxl> KM0201: i agree with you on that completely, but if you have to, all i'm saying is that 7 is decent
[07:05] <wxl> i'm definitely the minority myself
[07:06] <wxl> i refuse to use pidgin because i just love irssi+bitlbee
[07:06] <KM0201> i like pidgin for an IM client, i hate it for an IRC client
[07:07] <HowardTheDuck> bitlbee?
[07:08] <HowardTheDuck> wx1 I thought XP was good, but have to admit I was impressed with 7.  I love ubuntu 10.04 too
[07:08] <wxl> bitlbee is like a tunnel for im through irc
[07:08] <HowardTheDuck> interseting
[07:09] <wxl> even does facebook
[07:09] <wxl> twitter
[07:09] <wxl> identica
[07:09] <HowardTheDuck> hmm think i finally take the plunge and get a high def receiver for the tv
[07:09] <HowardTheDuck> sweet
[07:09] <wxl> maybe diaspora one day!
[07:09] <HowardTheDuck> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882117398
[07:09] <HowardTheDuck> wonder if that one's any good
[07:09] <HowardTheDuck> newegg sent me a coupon to get it for $155
[07:13] <wxl> weird
[07:13] <wxl> urls aren't clickable in lxterminal?
[07:13] <wxl> never noticed that before
[07:15] <wxl> you guys have that issue?
[07:17] <KM0201> hm, keeps wanting to open in another terminal window for me
[07:17] <KM0201> lxterminal is one of thos eapps that annoys me,
[07:17] <KM0201> thus, i use gnome-terminal
[07:17] <wxl> argh!
[07:18] <wxl> of all the damn things a desktop environment should have absolutely freaking perfected it's the terminal
[07:19] <KM0201> well, that, and the filebrowser.
[07:19] <KM0201> pcman isn't bad, but.. it has some oddball quirks on occasion
[07:19] <wxl> meh i usually just use the terminal
[07:19] <wxl> more often than not i find it quicker to do what i want to do in terminal
[07:19] <KM0201> yeah, i use the terminal quite a bit (i've got an ubuntu server)... but... sometimes i just like pointing/clicking
[07:20] <wxl> like there's a thing in the ubuntu docs about installing fonts that suggests going to vt2, running gksudo nautilus /some/path and then copying files over.. how annoying!
[07:20] <KM0201> yeah, thast is annoying
[07:20] <KM0201> but..
[07:21] <KM0201> a lot of that, is for new users, who are command line weary
[07:21] <wxl> yeah i hear that
[07:21] <wxl> again, this is where i'm in the minority
[07:21] <wxl> hell, i use the terminal a lot in windows still :)
[07:23] <wxl> i remember getting windows 95.. and going out to the terminal and typing some command and it said wrong version.. ran ver and there it was: "Windows 95 DOS".. at that point, we were through. started rolling my own kernels in slackware, but i had been flirting with freebsd over the years so it wasn't a big jump for me
[07:25] <KM0201> i fiddled w/ linux starting w/ 95, was dual booting (but still using win mostly) with win 98, then Windows Me hit.. and i was thoroughly disgusted I paid for that OS>
[07:25] <wxl> hahaha yeah glad i escaped that
[07:25] <KM0201> so i started making significant efforts to learn Linux, and get off the Microsoft Tit
[07:26] <wxl> yeah, i had a brief love affair with os x along the way
[07:26] <wxl> but ultimately it just rekindled my love for freebsd, and subsequently, back to linux i went
[07:26] <wxl> i was seriously temped to put bsd on this powerbook though
[07:26] <wxl> it would have been very ironic :D
[07:26] <bioterror> wxl, good, hope it works smoothly
[07:27] <KM0201> i dual booted, most of "my" XP life cycle, but hardly used XP, now, i just have XP in vbox to sync a zune
[07:27] <wxl> bioterror: so far so good actually.. my only concern is processor scaling really
[07:27] <wxl> hey while you're here, bioterror -- do YOU know anything about links not being clickable in lxterminal?
[07:28] <wxl> and does sylpheed have anything like a unified inbox?
[07:35] <mark76> Morning stlsaint
[07:40] <stlsaint> yo yo
[07:41] <mark76> How early is it for you?
[08:46] <bioterror> wxl, I do not know about that. I really hardly use elinks, lynx or w3m
[09:03] <Giane> hi all
[11:37] <draioch> hi i typed in sudo do-release-upgrade -d for a upgrade to lubuntu after extractions i cancelled it cause it would be taking hours how can i remove or check anything extracted is gone
[11:39] <bioterror> your sources.list is changed
[11:46] <draioch> thanks bioterror should i worry about it or just leave it
[11:47] <bioterror> well
[11:47] <bioterror> you should revert it back
[11:47] <bioterror> if you're not going to upgrade
[11:50] <draioch> yea it was a moment of madness is easy to revert back
[11:53] <draioch> sry *is it easy to revert back
[12:01] <bioterror> /etc/apt/
[12:01] <bioterror> sources.list
[12:08] <draioch> thx bioterror so i find that directory and delete sources.list?
[12:11] <bioterror> you edit it
[12:11] <bioterror> :D
[12:12] <bioterror> oneirc >> natty
[12:12] <bioterror> if it's changed
[12:18] <draioch> thx bioterror found sources.list http://pastebin.com/rapyXK0a
[12:26] <draioch> sry bioterror can u help pls dont know what to edit on that sources.list http://pastebin.com/rapyXK0a
[13:05] <Guest80755> hello
[13:06] <Guest80755> anyone have a moment to spare?
[13:07] <Guest80755> need a little help
[13:08] <Guest80755> I installed lubuntu to take over xubuntu yesterday
[13:08] <Guest80755> and I used to share the internet connection of the xubuntu machine with a windows machine
[13:09] <Guest80755> and it worked very easily,  by simply using the network connections editor and ticking "share internet connection with other machines" or something under the wired connection auto eth0
[13:10] <Guest80755> but now doing so makes windows look for the connection, but it just tries to aquire ip address before giving up
[13:14] <patlord> hello
[13:16] <patlord> i have a little problem with lubuntu 10.04
[13:18] <patlord> no answer :(
[13:21] <draioch> wait around someone eventually answers or repost in a while ;)
[13:39] <silverarrow> is anyone here on a sunday?
[13:39] <silverarrow> I feel I need a bit support installing lubuntu
[13:40] <silverarrow> I am partitioning the hd, and attempt at dual install
[13:46] <Ade_> anyone? the "share internet connection with other machines" doesn't seem to work, auto eth0 seems to fail connecting
[13:47] <Ade_> it used to work just fine under xubuntu and the same windows machine
[13:51] <silverarrow> hi
[13:52] <silverarrow> Ade_, should work much the same really
[13:52] <silverarrow> identical apps
[13:52] <silverarrow> Ade_, ?
[13:58] <silverarrow> hi
[13:59] <bioterror> I would probably share with iptables
[13:59] <silverarrow> bioterror, are you in 11.10?
[14:00] <bioterror> silverarrow, no I am not
[14:02] <silverarrow> I see
[14:02] <silverarrow> you are waiting until release to try it?
[14:02] <bioterror> I'm just looking for motivation to move files from my old work laptop to new work laptop
[14:03] <bioterror> so that I could run Lubuntu on it, but oh well, I've had better things to do
[14:04] <silverarrow> oh I see
[14:04] <silverarrow> I had my computer run all night moving documents folder to external hd
[14:04] <silverarrow> flippin 12 hours !!
[14:05] <silverarrow> like being stuck in bog
[14:06] <bioterror> you moved about 500-600GB of data
[14:07] <m6locks> heh, can't avoid lovecraftian connotations when talking about bogs
[14:13] <draioch> lovecraftian, you mean robert the genius ;)
[14:15] <m6locks> umm, lovecraftian as in the genre
[14:33] <leszek> hi
[15:44] <silverarrow> any grub experts?
[15:45] <silverarrow> I am trying to dual boot the new lubuntu
[15:45] <silverarrow> I have it all installed
[15:45] <silverarrow> and wonder how the grub2 stuff works
[16:36] <silverarrow> hi
[16:37] <Guest34934> anyone recently installed 11.01?
[16:37] <sharparrow> what is up with my nick?
[16:38] <sharparrow> I have just installed lubuntu 11.10
[16:38] <sharparrow> I found one update
[16:43] <john_rambo> gettting the messsage "unable to lauch gnome session" in a fresh Lubuntu install
[16:43] <bioterror> john_rambo, do you have automatic logon?
[16:44] <john_rambo> need to select Lubuntu every time as session...... bioterror Yes
[16:44] <bioterror> hmmm
[16:44] <bioterror> that could cause it
[16:44] <bioterror> you get that X11 box
[16:45] <bioterror> you could try to remove automatic logon from what was that file
[16:46] <john_rambo> bioterror, Sorrry but what should I do next ?
[16:46] <bioterror> sudo nano /etc/lxdm/default.conf
[16:46] <bioterror> and comment "autologin=yourusername" out
[16:46] <bioterror> #autologin=...
[16:48] <john_rambo> bioterror, Done
[16:49] <bioterror> john_rambo, now you can try to restart lxdm
[16:49] <bioterror> and it will be like "restart" of computer
[16:49] <bioterror> you will loose all the applications
[16:49] <john_rambo> Cant use auto login in Lubuntu ?
[16:49] <bioterror> give it a try
[16:50] <john_rambo> bioterror, BRB
[16:52] <bioterror> john_rambo, did it work?
[16:52] <john_rambo> bioterror, YES
[16:52] <john_rambo> but autologin is gone
[16:52] <bioterror> yeah
[16:53] <bioterror> weird bug that is
[16:53] <john_rambo> bioterror, Thanks
[16:54] <bioterror> one almost satisfied customer
[16:54] <draioch> sry bioterror re post today around half one: can u help pls dont know what to edit on that sources.list http://pastebin.com/rapyXK0a "oneirc >> natty"
[16:55] <bioterror> ahhh
[16:55] <bioterror> do you have vi or vim installed?
[16:56] <draioch> thx bioterror no - dont even know what it is
[16:56] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install vi ;)
[16:56] <bioterror> then you can say in terminal
[16:56] <bioterror> vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:56] <bioterror> when you see that file opened
[16:56] <bioterror> you type
[16:57] <bioterror> :%s/oneiric/natty/g
[16:57] <bioterror> :wq!
[16:59] <bioterror> what do you guys think, should I learn to use sed?
[17:00] <Unit193> bioterror: It's helpful
[17:02] <draioch> thx bioterror vim installed i typed "vi /etc/apt/sources.list" and now i have a page of contents of sources.list in coloured type, but no cursor to type ":%s/oneiric/natty/g"
[17:03] <bioterror> draioch, you just press :
[17:03] <bioterror> and you type that %s/
[17:03] <draioch> ah thx
[17:03] <bioterror> : =starts command
[17:04] <bioterror> I dunno how you do that in nano
[17:04] <draioch> \o/ think it worked thx it changed some lines
[17:05] <bioterror> yes
[17:05] <bioterror> then you save it by typing: :wq!
[17:05] <bioterror> w = write, q = quit, ! = NAO!
[17:07] <draioch> thx but now says ""/etc/apt/sources.list" E212: Can't open file for writing" after i typed "wq!"
[17:08] <bioterror> remember :wq!
[17:09] <bioterror> did you forget to say: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:09] <bioterror> if you didnt use sudo, then you have to type :q! and do it again with sudo
[17:09] <draioch> ill try again thx
[17:10] <bioterror> I'm looking for a bike frames atm. so I'm not that concentrating ;)
[17:10] <draioch> no worries just glad for the help thx
[17:11] <sharparrow> I regret the daily install
[17:11] <sharparrow> crashing on boot
[17:11] <sharparrow> on first boot I mean
[17:11] <pip__> from the 7th?
[17:12] <sharparrow> yes
[17:12] <sharparrow> friday?
[17:12] <draioch> \o/ bioterror worked this time using the sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:12] <pip__> yes
[17:12] <draioch> thx thx
[17:12] <bioterror> draioch, ;)
[17:13] <sharparrow> nasty daily on friday then
[17:13] <sharparrow> no updates either
[17:13] <sharparrow> has there been any fixes you know about pip__ ?
[17:13] <draioch> i need to learn all this shit big time so i dont be bothering the like of u bioterror whats a good place to start CBT nuggets?
[17:13] <pip__> to be honest mine's okay
[17:13] <bioterror> draioch, that's why we are here
[17:13] <bioterror> to help and assist
[17:13] <pip__> Software center won't install properly
[17:13] <bioterror> probably also to protect & serve ;)
[17:13] <pip__> but thats minor compared to some stuff
[17:14] <sharparrow> I usually stick with package manager
[17:14] <pip__> I've only just installed if I'm honest
[17:14] <sharparrow> which crashed on first launch
[17:14] <pip__> yeah, I thought I'd give it a go though
[17:14] <sharparrow> I found one update, and installed
[17:15] <pip__> h'mmmmm, I had a bunch today
[17:15] <pip__> I've been having problems with a test box too
[17:15] <pip__> whenver I do updates a reboot fails
[17:15] <sharparrow> last lubuntu (11.04) slided on to this laptop
[17:15] <sharparrow> It might be a daily bug of some sort
[17:16] <pip__> needs  hard shutdown
[17:16] <sharparrow> I see
[17:16] <pip__> I think mine could be hardware
[17:16] <pip__> it is a properly ancient piece of kit :)
[17:16] <sharparrow> I have had that it puppylinux, not hard like powerbutton, more like complete shutdown, then press power on, odd really
[17:17] <pip__> ah, when Ive rebooted after updates it just hangs, so I have to power button off
[17:17] <pip__> reset just gives the same result
[17:17] <sharparrow> hmm,
[17:17] <pip__> but, on this old laptop no such problem
[17:17] <sharparrow> issues
[17:18] <pip__> so..I'm thinking hardware
[17:18] <sharparrow> you have it on two different systems?
[17:18] <sharparrow> you could check disk for heath
[17:18] <sharparrow> hd I mean
[17:18] <sharparrow> disk utility
[17:19] <pip__> yeah, I think u may be right.
[17:19] <pip__> since I put the HDD in it's been nothing but trouble
[17:19] <sharparrow> old or new?
[17:19] <pip__> old,  I have a bunch lying round
[17:20] <sharparrow> hopefully most of them are fine
[17:20] <sharparrow> are you in lubuntu now?
[17:20] <pip__> this'll be 2 that are no good
[17:20] <pip__> yeah, but on an old laptop
[17:20] <pip__> not as old as my test box though :)
[17:20] <sharparrow> I get rid of them, can't use bad hard drives
[17:20] <sharparrow> some hard drives live for ever
[17:21] <pip__> its a lottery really
[17:21] <sharparrow> my father's computer is like from the 90's still alive
[17:21] <pip__> I inherited them from a friend
[17:21] <sharparrow> he finally got a new one this summer
[17:21] <pip__> cool
[17:21] <pip__> what was his old one like?
[17:22] <pip__> I found a 10.2 Gb hdd a few days ago
[17:22] <sharparrow> the old hd is like a big clunky thing
[17:22] <sharparrow> not large, like 30GB
[17:22] <sharparrow> neither regular ide or sata
[17:22] <pip__> I may swap out the other one with that
[17:22] <pip__> wow, thats freaky
[17:23] <sharparrow> it was all fine in lubuntu, and xp, but norton antivirus killed the system
[17:23] <sharparrow> made it really slow
[17:23] <pip__> for some reason I dont trust norton
[17:23] <sharparrow> I suppose it works, but a real hog on cpu and ram
[17:24] <pip__> thats just what you dont want really
[17:24] <sharparrow> can't use it at all on minimal specs
[17:25] <pip__> I've been lucky & manged to find odd sticks of old RAM to throw into stuff
[17:26] <pip__> I've created some real monstrosities lol
[17:26] <sharparrow> 10.2 GB is not bad if it's fine
[17:26] <sharparrow> just store stuff on external units
[17:26] <sharparrow> lol
[17:26] <sharparrow> laptops or regular desktops?
[17:26] <pip__> 2desktops
[17:26] <sharparrow> I haven't had access to old replacement hardware, so I have bought new
[17:26] <pip__> my own test box & my dads PC
[17:27] <pip__> had to buy ram for this laptop, but twas worth it
[17:27] <pip__> gave it a new lease of life
[17:27] <sharparrow> yes, ram can be very lowpriced these days
[17:27] <pip__> especially running lubuntu
[17:27] <sharparrow> i regret deleting 1104 now
[17:27] <sharparrow> darn
[17:28] <pip__> I found a128bit ati graphics card the other day
[17:28] <pip__> threw it into my dads box & xp found drivers & everything
[17:28] <sharparrow> they are good?
[17:28] <pip__> not got a disc/
[17:28] <sharparrow> xp is usually good like that
[17:29] <sharparrow> i have trouble with buntus and some graphic cards and drivers
[17:29] <pip__> well, it works & I can hve eyecandy on the Ubuntu system that's in there too :)
[17:29] <sharparrow> more easily adjusted in puppu linux
[17:29] <pip__> I was quite surprised
[17:29] <pip__> Ive never been able to get wireless to work in Puppy
[17:30] <sharparrow> it runs Ubuntu fine?
[17:30] <sharparrow> does depend on some wifi cards
[17:30] <sharparrow> ralink is usualy good
[17:30] <sharparrow> bradcom can be a pain
[17:30] <sharparrow> drivers are there, but have to be searched for
[17:30] <sharparrow> broadcom*
[17:31] <pip__> h'mmmmm, I tthink this is an Intel built in device
[17:31] <sharparrow> simple wireless setup is the one I find easy in pupppy
[17:31] <pip__> I gave up in the end lol
[17:31] <pip__> stuck with lubuntu
[17:31] <sharparrow> which puppy did you try?
[17:32] <sharparrow> lubuntu is idiot proof
[17:32] <pip__> I think it was 5, must be about a year ago
[17:32] <pip__> good job cos guess what?
[17:32] <pip__> :)
[17:32] <sharparrow> latest is 528, a few bugs fixed
[17:32] <sharparrow> even an update for it
[17:32] <pip__> well, with the extra ram this box flies
[17:33] <sharparrow> I am doing a lubuntu/puppy dual boot
[17:33] <pip__> h'mmmmmmm, I may take a look at that again
[17:33] <sharparrow> but have to wait for a better daily or the final launch
[17:33] <sharparrow> wireless should be easy
[17:33] <pip__> it's only a few days
[17:34] <sharparrow> yes
[17:34] <pip__> I'm very impatient though
[17:34] <sharparrow> darn, I killed my 11.04
[17:34] <pip__> what did you install from USB or CD?
[17:34] <sharparrow> cd
[17:34] <pip__> I'd reinstall
[17:35] <pip__> I've done 2 installs today
[17:35] <pip__> cos software center annoyed me
[17:35] <sharparrow> I did check filesum, and disk health on bootup too
[17:35] <sharparrow> lubuntu has software centre?
[17:35] <pip__> through ppa
[17:35] <pip__> but tody it borked on me
[17:36] <pip__> today^
[17:36] <sharparrow> I had to boot in puppy, cd and savefile
[17:36] <sharparrow> unfortunate
[17:36] <pip__> so i reinstalled friday's daily, updated & left it alone
[17:36] <sharparrow> how does you hard disk come out?
[17:37] <pip__> on this box it doesn't.  the one at home just unscrews from its bay
[17:37] <pip__> I'm not at home right now by the way
[17:37] <sharparrow> oh, I mean, how it rates in disk utility
[17:37] <sharparrow> i see
[17:37] <pip__> oh, this has 10 bad sectors
[17:38] <bioterror> :D
[17:38] <sharparrow> oh
[17:38] <sharparrow> cannot be good
[17:38] <pip__> because when xp stopped working i threw it across the room
[17:38] <sharparrow> I don't know if they can be fixed ?
[17:38] <pip__> it had 39 at one point
[17:38] <pip__> I zeroed the drive
[17:38] <sharparrow> I just buy a new one, and throw old that are definitely bad in the garbage
[17:38] <pip__> its only a matter of time until it dis really >:o
[17:39] <pip__> dies
[17:39] <sharparrow> sad
[17:39] <pip__> this is a laptop, so 'm not happy about tking it apart
[17:39] <bioterror> I remember, about a year ago or something I just fixed a certain problem with my Dell D500
[17:39] <bioterror> then my daughter pulls power cable so that the connector gets broken :D
[17:39] <bioterror> I got so mad that I threw that laptop on floor and jumped on it :D
[17:39] <sharparrow> I have changed fan, cpu ram and hdd in laptops
[17:39] <pip__> lol,
[17:40] <bioterror> I slammed that laptop with full force on the floor :D
[17:40] <sharparrow> some laptops are easy, acer, fujitsu, packard bell, dell...
[17:40] <sharparrow> HP are a horror to take apart
[17:40] <bioterror> sharparrow, try iBook ;)
[17:40] <pip__> This looks like it would be a real pain to be honest
[17:40] <bioterror> replace iBook's hdd
[17:41] <sharparrow> oh, actually I am looking for an older ibook to play around with
[17:41] <bioterror> you will cry blood from your third eye ;)
[17:41] <pip__> bioterror, did you fix the damage
[17:41] <sharparrow> lol
[17:41] <pip__> lol
[17:41] <pip__> or am I expecting too much?
[17:41] <pip__> I mean I KNOW you're good...........
[17:42] <sharparrow> older laptops often have access to hard drive under the keyboard
[17:42] <bioterror> http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002249.html EXTRA, EXTRA!
[17:42] <pip__> i can get to the ram on this easy
[17:43] <bioterror> I have fixed my wife's stinkpad T40p a lot. I've even changed lcd panels inverter and stuff like that
[17:43] <pip__> woah, that's too much for me
[17:43] <bioterror> but I decided to upgrade that T40p to Dell D630
[17:44] <pip__> I'm only just learning to build desktops
[17:44] <pip__> yeah, I think when this lappy dies that'll be it
[17:44] <pip__> I'm so sick of being spied upon by the government
[17:45] <pip__> good find bioterror
[17:45] <pip__> or am I just paranoid?
[17:45] <bioterror> possible
[17:46] <pip__> anyway guys got to go
[17:46] <pip__> will catch up with you in the week
[17:46] <pip__> looking forward to thursday \0/
[17:46] <sharparrow> new screens are expensive
[17:47] <sharparrow> I don't mind buy a new hdd too much, it can always live on after, but other parts not so much
[17:48] <sharparrow> anyone booted in 11.10?
[17:49] <bioterror> sharparrow, that's why I prefer 2nd hand machines for free ;)
[17:49] <sharparrow> true
[17:49] <sharparrow> can't cost much if they are to be worth it
[17:50] <sharparrow> if anything at all
[17:50] <sharparrow> I've seen people sell old ibooks for way to much
[17:50] <bioterror> I dont see much value in iBook, powerbooks yes
[17:50] <sharparrow> they have good screens
[17:50] <sharparrow> and graphic
[17:51] <bioterror> no they does not ;)
[17:51] <sharparrow> powerbooks I mean
[17:51] <bioterror> 12" PowerBook is greatest
[17:51] <sharparrow> ibooks are small, light, and very good battery
[17:51] <bioterror> but I bet my Dell D430 beats 1.2GHz G4
[17:52] <sharparrow> but all older laptops need replacement usually, battery
[17:52] <sharparrow> new systems always better
[17:52] <sharparrow> ar*
[17:52] <sharparrow> usually
[17:54] <bioterror> but this D430 is a 12" laptop, so is Powerbook 12" ;)
[17:54] <sharparrow> what can cause app crashes in 11.10?
[17:55] <sharparrow> dual core cpu?
[17:55] <sharparrow> new laptops are nice, all clean, shiny, not a scratch
[17:56] <bioterror> and D430 costs ~300 used and they ask same for the powerbook
[17:56] <sharparrow> I am replacing the battery cells in a laptop battery
[17:56] <sharparrow> hardly worth it
[17:57] <sharparrow> if the look nice, and light use perhaps
[17:57] <bioterror> sharparrow, it's cheaper to buy a battery from dealextreme than replace cells yourself
[17:57] <sharparrow> 1.2GH cpu isnt' that much
[17:57] <sharparrow> it is?
[17:57] <bioterror> look yourself
[17:58] <sharparrow> trouble is this is an older laptop, nobody bothers with it anymore
[17:59] <bioterror> dealxtreme has a battery for it!
[17:59] <bioterror> i'm sure
[18:00] <sharparrow> much easier to get a real battery
[18:02] <sharparrow> 30$ for new battery cells, better than original
[18:02] <sharparrow> more mAh
[18:02] <sharparrow> but a bit fickely with the plastic box, and soldering
[18:03] <sharparrow> not sure I can manage the plastic casing
[18:05] <sharparrow> the Friday daily build was a bad one
[18:23] <bossman> This is my first time using a non-gnome system. Should I avoid installing certain programs in LXDE? Is LibreOffice avoided just because it is heavy on resources?
[18:24] <bioterror> bossman, I would install LibreOffice
[18:27] <compdoc> I get a blank screen when launching the lubuntu disk. Tried F6 Options and turned off apci, nomodeset, and the others. no diff
[18:32] <bioterror> what if you press ctrl+alt+f1
[18:33] <bioterror> and you get into console?
[18:33] <bioterror> can you type into that shell prompt: sudo service lxdm restart
[18:35] <compdoc> no response. the hard drive light seems to stay lit too. It seems to be crashed.
[18:35] <compdoc> Same with Try lubuntu
[18:36] <bioterror> hmmm
[18:36] <compdoc> live, I mean
[18:37] <compdoc> ubuntu 11.04 is no problem
[18:37] <bioterror> there's nothing much to be done with live enviroments
[18:37] <compdoc> well, I was intending to install when I hit this
[18:38] <bioterror> take mini.iso and pull packages from internet ;)
[18:39] <compdoc> might do - the iso was a torrent. maybe its bad
[18:39] <bioterror> !mini | compdoc
[18:39] <compdoc> its lubuntu?
[18:40] <bioterror> you make it to be lubuntu ;)
[18:41] <bioterror> mini.iso is just a lubuntu base files
[18:41] <bioterror> then you can install what ever you want
[18:42] <compdoc> tried again. it is a crash. thats a shame. this is only a test - just wanted to try lubuntu