| dkn | i had bonding setup on my network interfaces eth0 and eth1, i unplugged eth0 and attached it to another port on my switch when i was booting off of recovery mode CD, now the bond is getting an ip but not working, i can't ping anything, and eth0 is getting it's own ip address.... what did the boot cd do to my network config? | 00:51 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #871058 in bind9 (main) "package bind9 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1ubuntu2.2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/871058 | 01:01 |
| jrwr | How stable is glibc crypt() (using $6$) from ever changing? | 01:29 |
| jMCg | Hey folks | 01:44 |
| jMCg | I got my NFS server up and running and I put according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NFSv4Howto server:/export/homes /home nfs4 _netdev,auto 0 0 in the clients' /etc/fstab -- but it doesn't mount it on boot. | 01:45 |
| jMCg | "Currently Ubuntu Server does not come with the scripts needed to auto-mount nfs4 entries in /etc/fstab after the network is up." oh joy. | 01:46 |
| jMCg | I was wondering about the missing /etc/network/if-up.d/$stuff... | 01:47 |
| jMCg | for fs in $( awk '/_netdev/{print $2}') < /etc/fstab ); do mount $fs ; done' | 01:49 |
| jMCg | That should do it. | 01:49 |
| jMCg | Yeah baby. | 02:09 |
| jMCg | Two machines, equal setup. One mounts nfs on boot, the other does not. | 02:10 |
| SpamapS | jMCg: can you boot with '--verbose' in grub on the one that doesn't, and share your /var/log/boot.log and grep init: /var/log/syslog ? | 02:27 |
| jMCg | SpamapS: I'd rather not touch grup - I only have SSH access. | 02:54 |
| jMCg | SpamapS: but adding sleep 5 to my script fixed the issue -- I tried it before with ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 -- and it said no route to host when trying to mount nfs. | 02:55 |
| scalability-junk | hey I'm trying to use automatic memory allocatin with ubunutu 11.04 and kvm, but can't find any docs, can anyone help please | 03:23 |
| scalability-junk | *allocation | 03:23 |
| ejv | greetings, I have apcupsd monitoring my APC UPS battery backup, upon a fresh restart of the server, 'apcaccess' responds promptly with data dump of all the relevant information; after several hours, it stops responding correctly and my dmesg log fills up with "generic-usb 0003:051D:0002.0001: control queue full" why is this happening, and how do I fix it? | 03:40 |
| Takyoji | RAID 1 is really the only possibility for software RAID (to boot from), right? | 03:59 |
| patdk-lap | no | 04:00 |
| Takyoji | then how the does the boot loader magically read the harddrives (if it exceed a sector) if it doesn't even have software RAID running? :P | 04:01 |
| jrwr | I think it does some magic sector mapping | 04:02 |
| patdk-lap | Takyoji, that would be the magical raid grub2 boot driver :) | 04:03 |
| Takyoji | ahh | 04:03 |
| Takyoji | So it's only present in GRUB2 then, yes? Whereas prior to GRUB2, it wasn't? | 04:03 |
| patdk-lap | yep | 04:03 |
| patdk-lap | but as everything, from 10.04+ has grub2 | 04:04 |
| Takyoji | also, any thoughts on software RAID versus hardware RAID? | 04:04 |
| patdk-lap | that depends on your needs | 04:04 |
| Takyoji | How exactly do you configure the hardware RAID controller? | 04:04 |
| patdk-lap | how exactly do you configure your bios? | 04:04 |
| Takyoji | So it's modularly through the BIOS process? | 04:04 |
| patdk-lap | unless you get one with network/serial support | 04:05 |
| Takyoji | basically the need here is generally fault-tolerance | 04:06 |
| patdk-lap | then anything would work | 04:06 |
| patdk-lap | if the need is quicker burst ability, hardware raid + battery backup | 04:06 |
| patdk-lap | but there generally is not much difference from software and hardware raid unless your using a battery backup | 04:07 |
| patdk-lap | except that more of your pci bandwidth is used writing to the disks, that the hardware raid would be doing | 04:08 |
| Takyoji | because apparently there's a school that had a backup harddrive, and would rsync things nightly from the main harddrive (y u no RAID? D: ), and the backup harddrive failed, and they didn't even know, and apparently they also had a single copy of some data on there as well that's now pretty much lost. xP | 04:08 |
| Takyoji | ahh | 04:08 |
| Takyoji | there's really nothing else on the PCI bus anyway | 04:08 |
| patdk-lap | well, nothing will help with that | 04:08 |
| Takyoji | I know, but just for preventive future measures. | 04:08 |
| patdk-lap | software and hardware riad both need to be monitored | 04:08 |
| patdk-lap | ya, if they had raid, they would unlikely know one drive failed | 04:09 |
| Takyoji | and I'm just wondering what alert system would be used, or how you'd even tell | 04:09 |
| patdk-lap | and would notice when the second one did | 04:09 |
| patdk-lap | normally, it emails | 04:09 |
| patdk-lap | but that only works if email server works to get out the email address is still in use, and all that :) | 04:09 |
| patdk-lap | and someone does monitor that email account, and it doesn't go to junk :) | 04:09 |
| Takyoji | but regardless, the reason of RAID would be: better read (don't really care much about write speed, xP), no need for doing the redundancy nightly instead of on-instant, etc | 04:10 |
| patdk-lap | only if people have a habit of deleting things | 04:10 |
| patdk-lap | that they need | 04:10 |
| Takyoji | I wonder if there's anything for along the lines of "soft deletion" | 04:13 |
| Takyoji | as for the files itself, it's an LDAP server with NFS/SAMBA | 04:13 |
| Takyoji | moreso focusing on the NFS/SAMBA part | 04:13 |
| Takyoji | so there can be precautions server-side that are transparent to the client. | 04:14 |
| thevinci | I've set up transmission-cli and transmission-daemon, and I've just accessed the web interface, i went to download a torrent, and it gave me an error, saying permissino denied. | 04:14 |
| thevinci | is this because transmission doesn't have write properties in the folder I created for my downloads? | 04:15 |
| scalability-junk | is there any way to enable automatic memory ballooning with ubuntu (kvm) couldn't find any docs about it | 05:12 |
| nronksr | What are people using for email servers these days? | 05:30 |
| Takyoji | Postfix and Dovecot? | 05:32 |
| patdk-lap | heh, that is software | 05:33 |
| patdk-lap | I normally use hp blades | 05:33 |
| srk9 | I have been given a virtual machine running Ubuntu Server. On Gentoo, I can run "glsa-check -l" to view all security advisories that apply to installed software. IS there an equivalent command on Ubuntu? | 06:13 |
| Olotila | Is there a HDD benchmark similar to CrystalDiskMark for server? | 06:32 |
| Olotila | I tested in windows, would be interesting to see ubuntu server comparison | 06:32 |
| Olotila | disk utility tests mostly just cache, like gives over 1GB/s writes for 4x1TB HDD raid0 with spinning disks | 06:33 |
| Olotila | http://img1.uploadscreenshot.com/images/orig/10/28101590141-orig.jpg | 06:34 |
| Olotila | here is test in windows side, is there a program that is easy to compare to those results? | 07:03 |
| Olotila | http://img1.uploadscreenshot.com/images/orig/10/28103022752-orig.jpg | 07:03 |
| Takyoji | I'm not sure if you can use 'palimpsest' (which is actually called the 'Disk Utility' in the Admin menu in Ubuntu) to do such remotely. | 07:05 |
| Takyoji | I know you can use the tool for checking details of a filesystem remotely, but not sure if the read/write test is possible remotely. | 07:05 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #871216 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu2.3 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: package samba is not ready for configuration cannot configure (current status `half-installed')" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/871216 | 10:17 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #871236 in clamav (main) "package clamav-base 0.97.2 dfsg-1ubuntu1.11.04 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/871236 | 11:16 |
| dgrf | Hello,can somebody give me a guide for setting up postfix mail server along with dovecot and a webmail interface? | 11:38 |
| ejat | can someone help me with this driver on ubuntu server | 12:09 |
| ejat | 1c:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G200e [Pilot] ServerEngines (SEP1) (rev 02) | 12:09 |
| dkn | what do ya need? | 12:10 |
| ejat | xorg .. is it supported in oneiric .. the driver? | 12:13 |
| ejat | 13.617] (EE) Failed to load module "mgag200" (module does not exist, 0) | 12:13 |
| ejat | [ 13.617] (EE) No drivers available. | 12:13 |
| ejat | i hv tried "mga" also not work | 12:13 |
| dkn | looks like that should work | 12:16 |
| dkn | if the xorg.conf is setup for mga in the chipset, and mgag200 in the device section, what version are you on? | 12:20 |
| RoyK | ejat: X isn't really a server issue, is it? ;) | 12:22 |
| ejat | RoyK :) .. yeah .. agreed .. just wondering "if" u guys can help me :) | 12:23 |
| ejat | ive tried using vesa … but its flickering .. | 12:23 |
| * RoyK had an rsync running all night for this apple time machine disk and only realized now that it uses hard links | 12:24 | |
| dkn | buy gui's can good for quick reference :) | 12:26 |
| dkn | but* | 12:27 |
| * RoyK never uses X on servers | 12:27 | |
| dkn | of course, i'm certain extra junk that came with my gui is causing the network problems i'm having... | 12:28 |
| dkn | http://pastebin.com/atPqJk4k if anyone is feeling brave :) | 12:30 |
| dkn | one of my bonded interfaces is still getting it's own IP... i think when i booted from the recovery CD it messed something up with the networking cause i'm setup for eth0 & eth1 --> bond0-->br0 | 12:32 |
| RoyK | the gui isn't very likely to mess up networking | 12:32 |
| RoyK | probably PEBKAC ;) | 12:33 |
| dkn | when i restarted Network Manager (used to ignore the eth1 and eth0 interfaces), it started poping up with auto eth0 and eth1 getting their address.... | 12:33 |
| dkn | most likely, i had i just run grub before restarting i could have saved myself soooo much trouble... | 12:35 |
| dkn | i'm about ready to dump the whole bonding config and just go back to one interface and deal with it later :( | 12:37 |
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| dkn | i just don't understand how eth0 and eth1 are getting an IP? i removed network manager, and /etc/network/interfaces has them as slaves for bond0.... does not compute! | 12:38 |
| RoyK | dunno - never used bonding on linux - sorry | 12:44 |
| dkn | ya? i just liked the idea that one port could go bad, or one cable could get un pluggd and everything would keep working | 12:46 |
| dkn | so the hard links filled things up did they? | 12:47 |
| RoyK | the lack of hard links | 12:47 |
| RoyK | 1,5TB used, while the source had 1,3TB | 12:47 |
| RoyK | stopped it and added -H to rsync | 12:47 |
| RoyK | installed 4 WD Black drives for holding this storage and found out a few hours later that adding a fan in front of them would be a jolly good idea - 65˚C isn't healty for a drive :P | 12:50 |
| dkn | did google post a report.... 45 or something was better then 35? | 12:51 |
| RoyK | I think I read something like that too | 12:52 |
| RoyK | but 65 is a bit over the top | 12:53 |
| RoyK | theyære currently at ~40˚C | 12:53 |
| dkn | the fans in our server could get used in a vacuum.... ear plugs NOT optional | 12:54 |
| RoyK | 1U servers have very small fans, spinning at a very high rate... :P | 12:56 |
| dkn | 16 disk 4U monster | 12:56 |
| * RoyK has a couple of 45 disk 4U monsters :P | 12:56 | |
| dkn | they're hovering around 32˚C | 12:56 |
| dkn | ouch | 12:57 |
| dkn | 2.5" | 12:57 |
| dkn | ? | 12:57 |
| RoyK | well, it's two servers - 36 drives in the server chassises and 45 drives in their JBODs | 12:57 |
| RoyK | front and back | 12:58 |
| RoyK | supermicro stuff | 12:58 |
| dkn | i think i saw that thing | 12:58 |
| RoyK | 100TB net storage in each | 12:59 |
| dkn | is the crane optional? or included to help you mount it in the rack? | 12:59 |
| RoyK | hehe | 12:59 |
| RoyK | it's not that heavy if you install it without the drives | 12:59 |
| dkn | :P i know | 12:59 |
| dkn | and you just run single nic's? | 13:00 |
| RoyK | those ones uses 10Gbps | 13:00 |
| dkn | fiber? or copper? | 13:00 |
| RoyK | copper to the switch, single mode fiber from that datacentre to our main datacentre | 13:00 |
| RoyK | bacula backup storage | 13:01 |
| dkn | ahhh | 13:01 |
| dkn | alright alright.... i'll drop the bonding... | 13:01 |
| RoyK | bonding should work, though | 13:02 |
| RoyK | that is, if it's correctly configured on the switch | 13:02 |
| dkn | switch hasn't changed since i set it up last year, and it's been working great since yesterday :( | 13:02 |
| dkn | i mean.... until | 13:03 |
| RoyK | http://paste.ubuntu.com/704869/ | 13:03 |
| RoyK | dkn: that's one of the servers' raid config ;) | 13:03 |
| dkn | wow.... 2 spares? | 13:04 |
| RoyK | should suffice - all VDEVs are RAIDz2, so in theory, we can lose 22 drives without losing data | 13:04 |
| dkn | ahhh | 13:05 |
| dkn | and.... raidz2...? is that like raid 60? | 13:05 |
| RoyK | raid6 | 13:05 |
| RoyK | and no, it's not running linux :P | 13:05 |
| dkn | c'mon get gnome on there! | 13:06 |
| dkn | imagine the media library you could have :) | 13:07 |
| RoyK | http://paste.ubuntu.com/704872/ | 13:07 |
| RoyK | this is the real beast | 13:07 |
| RoyK | only 24 drive slots, 24 gigs of memory, but with striped mirrors and SSDs for caching both reads and writes | 13:07 |
| RoyK | fastest file server I've seen so far | 13:08 |
| RoyK | cost us some NOK 43k | 13:08 |
| dkn | is that the solaris system for ssd caching? | 13:08 |
| RoyK | openindiana, so yes, solarisish | 13:08 |
| dkn | cool | 13:08 |
| RoyK | it's zfs' caching system | 13:09 |
| RoyK | works on freebsd too | 13:09 |
| RoyK | and there's a linux port, but I don't think that's very good (yet) | 13:09 |
| * dkn dreams about SSD caching in linux | 13:11 | |
| RoyK | IIRC there's some in ext4 | 13:12 |
| RoyK | you can place the journal on an SSD | 13:12 |
| RoyK | that won't affect reads, though | 13:12 |
| dkn | i think i read something to that effect.... | 13:13 |
| * dkn drives all the way back to work get the networking..... working | 13:14 | |
| * dkn grumbles.... stupid netnotworking | 13:15 | |
| dkn | exit | 13:17 |
| scalability-junk | I'm looking for a way to have automatic memory ballooning, but couldn'T find any docs. is it even possible? | 13:27 |
| StevenR | scalability-junk: can you be more specific? | 13:30 |
| scalability-junk | I want the memory of my kvm ubuntu setup to be dynamicly allocated so if guest a needs 1 gb in peak and it is available it will get it. | 13:31 |
| StevenR | ahh. kvm. I'm not sure the hypervisor will do that | 13:32 |
| scalability-junk | any other hypervisor capable of this? | 13:33 |
| RoyK | scalability-junk: using virt-manager, you can set a minimum and maximum amount of memory available. is this what you mean? | 13:33 |
| RoyK | that's on kvm | 13:33 |
| scalability-junk | RoyK: sort of, I just want it to be automated, always check and allocated the needed memory, I don't think virt-manager is automating it | 13:33 |
| StevenR | scalability-junk: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/FAQ#Is_dynamic_memory_management_for_guests_supported.3F | 13:34 |
| StevenR | might help | 13:34 |
| scalability-junk | StevenR: not really the link is moved and not available anymore, the one for the balloon monitor | 13:35 |
| scalability-junk | or is this something just supported and I wouldn't notice? | 13:37 |
| StevenR | scalability-junk: I think so. according to that url, it depends on your guest OS | 13:40 |
| scalability-junk | ubuntu 11.04 host and guest. | 13:40 |
| StevenR | then it probably does | 13:41 |
| scalability-junk | but I just don'T think it is automatic and I can't really test it | 13:41 |
| StevenR | scalability-junk: virt-top may help you | 13:46 |
| RoyK | scalability-junk: why would you use a non-LTS version for the server? | 13:47 |
| scalability-junk | RoyK: I always upgrade anyway | 13:47 |
| RoyK | scalability-junk: I usually find it wise to stick to LTS for servers | 14:11 |
| scalability-junk | RoyK: I'm more the always the latest kind of guy ;) | 14:11 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #871297 in cloud-init (main) "uncloud-init updates.tar doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/871297 | 14:16 |
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| * dkn jumps in victory | 15:19 | |
| dkn | network manager had cleared out the nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf | 15:19 |
| palt | If I have created some groups on a server, is it possible to also create a user with the same name as the group? For example have group02, can I also make a user name group02? | 15:36 |
| dkn | yup | 15:36 |
| palt | When I use adduser group02 I get an "error" saying that the group group02 already exists | 15:36 |
| palt | That is "adduser group02" | 15:37 |
| palt | Can I use any other commands or is there a switch I have overlooked for the adduser command | 15:38 |
| episteme | exit | 15:38 |
| episteme | oops | 15:38 |
| dkn | adduser group02 group02 should create the user and the group at the same time and assign group02 as the primary group of the user group02 | 15:40 |
| dkn | errr... sorry | 15:40 |
| palt | I still get the error message. The problem is that I have already created the group group02 | 15:41 |
| palt | But I think it could be usefull to be able to login as the group also | 15:41 |
| palt | It's for an exercise many people will be doing on a server | 15:41 |
| palt | So they have individual accounts, but I have created groups for them. But I think it would be convenient to be able to login as their group also | 15:42 |
| dkn | ok | 15:42 |
| palt | But if it is too much a hassle they are probably allright with just a user accunt and memebership in the same groups | 15:44 |
| dkn | create the user group02 sudo adduser group02 | 15:44 |
| dkn | then assign the user to the group02 sudo adduser group02 group02 | 15:44 |
| dkn | to create a new group sudo adduser --group group03 | 15:45 |
| dkn | it's confusing though :) | 15:46 |
| palt | But the command "adduser group02" complains that the group02 already exists. Yeah I know, I try to create the user and it complains about the group | 15:47 |
| palt | But it seems like the more low-level command useradd worked | 15:47 |
| palt | Oh... wait! | 15:48 |
| dkn | no, it's saying the user group02 is already created, so now create the group with sudo adduser --group group02 | 15:48 |
| palt | adduser group02 --ingroup group02 seems to work :D | 15:48 |
| palt | When I run "adduser group04" I get this out adduser: The group `group04' already exists. | 15:49 |
| palt | But it seems to work if I use the useradd group04 --ingroup group04 | 15:50 |
| palt | But yeah, quite confusing :P | 15:50 |
| palt | hurray :D | 15:51 |
| dkn | indeed | 15:52 |
| palt | It probably tries to be smart about users and groups and prevent me from mixing them up | 15:53 |
| Bigbucks | Hello, any clue why a lot of commands on my VPS are not working correctly | 15:54 |
| dkn | ok..... why would restarting cause the /etc/resolv.conf file to get regenerated by network manager..... when NetworkManager isn't installed anymore... | 16:00 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #871278 in nova (main) "Cannot attach volumes to instances if tgt is used" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/871278 | 17:07 |
| Daviey | smoser: can you check out bug 871297 please? | 17:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 871297 in cloud-init "uncloud-init updates.tar doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/871297 | 17:17 |
| scalability-junk | how do I run the command (qemu) info balloon in ubuntu? | 18:11 |
| qman__ | palt, when you adduser without specifying a group, it automatically creates a group by the same name and puts the user in it | 18:41 |
| palt | qman__: Aaaahh.. so therefore it didn't like that the group was specified from before :) | 18:57 |
| qman__ | yep | 18:57 |
| qman__ | adding the user to an existing group without confirmation could have big implications, using a different group name automatically would be inconsistent, and prompting the user would ruin scriptability | 18:59 |
| qman__ | so erring out is the best option | 18:59 |
| palt | I see. Yeah, my use case is probably a bit strange. I though of adding a group user after I had created the users so | 19:02 |
| palt | *afet I had created the groups | 19:03 |
| jeeves_moss | I have a "Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82543GC Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Fiber) (rev ff)" and I can't get the OS to see it. ideas on how I can find it? | 19:16 |
| Kiall | Jeeves_: Odd - I would have thought that would be supported, since its one of the adapters VirtualBox can simulate (well .. its the same chipset anyway) | 19:21 |
| Kiall | when you say the OS doesnt see it, what do you mean? | 19:22 |
| jeeves_moss | Kiall, when I run an lspci, I get "00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82543GC Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Fiber) (rev ff)" | 19:22 |
| Kiall | Okay, and you have tried adding the interface to /etc/network/interfaces? | 19:23 |
| jeeves_moss | but when I grep dmesg, I get "e1000: This is not a software error! Something bad happened to" "e1000 0000:00:0a.0: eth1: (PCI-X:33MHz:64-bit) 00:00:00:00:00:00" "e1000 0000:00:0a.0: eth1: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection" | 19:23 |
| jeeves_moss | and I can use "ifconfig eth1 up" to bring it up. I've tried adding it to the interfaces list, and it won't come up | 19:24 |
| jeeves_moss | the reason I want to use it is for my NAS | 19:24 |
| Kiall | Oh .. Are you sure the card is working? ("This is not a software error") | 19:24 |
| jeeves_moss | Kiall, the card was pulled from a knowen working envoriment | 19:24 |
| jeeves_moss | the issue is that I have the 64bit card plugged into a 32bit slot | 19:25 |
| jeeves_moss | and when I use the "ifconfig eth1 up", I get "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address" | 19:25 |
| Kiall | a 64 bit card, assuming it fits (older PCI-X slots wont accept it), should *generally* would .. | 19:26 |
| jeeves_moss | yep, it fits. and the card was functioning in a 32 bit slot in the device it was pulled out of | 19:27 |
| Kiall | Its possible - ah .. scratch that idea then | 19:28 |
| jeeves_moss | ?? | 19:28 |
| Kiall | I was going to say maybe that card is incompatible with 32 bit slots .. | 19:28 |
| Kiall | but you beat me to it ;) | 19:28 |
| jeeves_moss | lol. it's just weird that the OS "sees" it, but won't "use" it | 19:29 |
| Kiall | Well - the OS sees it, and believes there is a hardware error so is refusing to use it | 19:29 |
| Kiall | was it taken from another linux box? | 19:30 |
| jeeves_moss | hmmm. I don't want to rip other hardware apart to get a gig card. :-( | 19:30 |
| jeeves_moss | ok, let's try a "new" card. <rolls eyes> | 19:32 |
| jeeves_moss | Kiall, now, let's see if it like a Sun systems MMF card any better | 19:41 |
| jeeves_moss | weird, it likes the Sun card. LOL | 19:43 |
| Kiall | typical ;) | 19:48 |
| jeeves_moss | argh, it causes ssh issues | 20:06 |
| jeeves_moss | grrrr. time to rip out the card in my other server that's a 32 bit | 20:06 |
| dkn | is it better to put the uuid, or the /dev/mapper/udisks-luks-uuis-yadayada in fstab if i want to automount an encrypted lvm? | 21:15 |
| dkn | automount on boot that is | 21:16 |
| SpamapS | dkn: I'd use UUID=xxx ... but it probably isn't that critical of a decision | 21:34 |
| dkn | i guess both will be visible if it's set to remember the pass on the server | 22:23 |
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