/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/10/10/#lubuntu.txt

fuse-osssuddenly i am a lubuntu user00:12
fuse-osswhy did it put me at the top00:14
fuse-ossoh alphabetic00:14
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ridz16I'm excited05:04
ridz16about the upcoming lubuntu 10.10 which is to be release today  10/10, but it's still not on the lubuntu.net website ?05:05
Unit193Well, it's 11.10 for the year.month05:07
ridz16woops  I misread.05:08
ridz16thought its gonna be 11.10 lol05:08
micahgthe release is on the 13th05:30
Unit193Yeah, was about to say that when he left :/05:30
mewayWut ever happend to nautilus?05:41
mewayits like fman or something like that?05:42
Unit193Nautilus is the default file manager for Gnome, I don't know what happened to it, but Lubuntu uses PCManFM05:42
* wxl yawns06:18
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wxlso let me get this straight: on 11.10 is going to be released on thursday (https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg04945.html) but it's coming out 11/10 (http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/10/10/%23lubuntu.html around 05:05) too? which? what?17:44
bioterrortake it easy17:45
bioterrorit will come when it comes during that day ;)17:45
* wxl stops hyperventilating17:45
wxland my that you mean some?17:45
wxlthurs ≠ 11/10 (which is ambiguous really.. is it october 11 or november 10th? neither are thurs, tho)17:46
bioterrorhi bodhi17:59
bogdanhello everone18:46
wxlyo18:47
bogdancan anyone tell me if this happened to you: when you start chromium, the x server(or lxde) crashes and restarts18:47
bogdanand I'm left at the login screen again18:47
bioterrorlook for /var/log/Xorg.0.log18:49
bogdanit seems that the lxde daemon seg-faulted18:51
bogdanCaught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting18:51
bogdanPlease consult the The X.Org Foundation support18:51
bogdan         at http://wiki.x.org18:51
bogdan for help.18:51
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silverlightninghi19:29
silverlightningsomeone stole my nick, I'm silverarrow too19:29
silverlightninganyone trying the latest daily ?19:30
silverlightningit crashes here19:30
silverlightningI mean last fridays19:30
silverlightningmaybe todays would be better?19:30
silverlightningsomeone stole my nick19:32
silverlightningI shall snatch alias just to be even19:33
tzvi|laptopany ideas why after i login my screens (2 ATI) go black?19:38
silverlightninghi19:38
tzvi|laptophi19:38
silverlightninghmm, newly installed?19:38
tzvi|laptopnope19:38
tzvi|laptopone moment to the next19:39
silverlightningodd19:39
silverlightningthen it is not driver issues19:39
tzvi|laptopdont think so19:39
silverlightningsome graphic cards can be horror in linux19:39
silverlightningsorting out drivers I mean19:40
tzvi|laptopyeah19:40
tzvi|laptopive used this card before w/o issues19:40
silverlightningthen it must be something else19:40
tzvi|laptopi tried apt-get install lxde --reinstall19:41
tzvi|laptopnegative19:41
tzvi|laptoptried turning off one monitor also negative19:42
tzvi|laptopwhat logs can i check?19:42
tzvi|laptopany idea19:43
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silverlightningeller19:44
silverlightningor try this19:44
silverlightningsudo service lxdm restart19:44
tzvi|laptopno luck19:45
tzvi|laptopim looking at xorg.0.log but i dont understand it :(19:47
tzvi|laptophttp://pastebin.com/eW7bAp44 if someone can take a look it would be greatly appreciated19:48
silverlightningI had major issus with radeon 200M something19:51
silverlightningI'm sorry, I'm not clever enough for it19:51
rodvilHello, I'm looking for some help. Its my first time here19:53
bogdansudo aticonfig --initial19:53
bogdanand reboot19:53
bogdantvzi19:53
silverlightninghi rodvil19:53
bogdansorry19:54
bogdanaccording to your logs this will not work19:54
bogdantry this: sudo apt-get install fglrx fglrx-amdcccle19:55
rodvilI'm having trouble with my wireless. I have a static IP internet and I just bought a simple D-Link router. I set up the wireless but my computer can't see the network. Another pc with windows can see it without problems19:55
bogdanand apt-get install build-essential19:55
bogdanactually install the build-essential first19:55
tzvibogdan: you talking to me?19:55
bogdanyes19:55
tzviGreat thanks19:56
silverlightningrodvil, hmm, have you tried restarting your router?19:56
bogdantzvi19:56
rodvilyes, several times19:56
silverlightningrodvil, the very simple first19:56
silverlightning; )19:56
silverlightninghmm19:56
tzvibogdan:19:56
bogdanalso I think you might need to install linux-headers-generic19:56
rodvilalso restarting computer, changing network name and some other simple things that might work :)19:56
silverlightningdoes it detect any networks?19:56
bogdan?19:57
rodvilyes, a lot of networks here in the building, but not mine19:57
tzviGot it thanx bogdan19:57
silverlightninglike, if you get any networks listed in lubuntu?19:57
bogdanplease let me know if this worked19:57
silverlightninghmm19:58
bogdanyou can test without restarting: sudo rmmod glx19:58
rodvilI though it was from the router or network settings, but I tried now with a windows pc and it just worked perfectly19:58
bogdanthen sudo modprobe fglrx19:58
bogdansudo service lxdm restart19:58
silverlightningwpa, wpa2 settings19:58
tzvibogdan: just left the office. But I will be back later and ill let you know19:58
bogdank19:58
rodvilnot sure about that one. its a preset key with 8 letters. I will try to identify that with the router19:59
silverlightninghmm, those letters are from your internetprovider, like on a sticker?19:59
rodvilnope, I set them20:00
silverlightninghmm, most routers can do all encrytions20:00
rodvilIn the router admin area it just says its using wap/wap2. so I'm not sure which20:00
bogdan@ rodvil : please post the output of:  lspci|grep -i network20:01
meetingologybogdan: Error: "rodvil" is not a valid command.20:01
bogdanrodvil : please post the output of:  lspci|grep -i network20:01
silverlightningwhich wifi card do you have rovil?20:01
silverlightningrodvil * sorry20:01
rodvil02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)20:02
rodvilthis is the output for that command20:02
silverlightningbroadcom have issus in buntus!20:02
bogdanyeah, it shows your wireless network card20:02
bogdannot all of them20:02
bogdancan you connect to other wireless networks?20:03
silverlightningit is driver, as long as other networks are detected, I cannot see drivers being the problem20:03
rodvilyes, first time having problems. I have this netbook for about 3 months only20:03
bogdancan you please post the result of: sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep <your_network_name>20:04
bogdan?20:04
silverlightningbroadcom usually works after first reboot, when the restricted drivers are added20:04
silverlightningthey need to be activated20:04
bogdanyeah, but this way we can determine in the network broadcasts its ssid :)20:05
rodvilwlan0     Interface doesn't support scanning.20:05
phillwand when you enable them, it usually knocks to sound off, you just need to turn te sound back on :)20:05
bogdan:)20:05
bogdani had a laptop with broadcom wireless (ath9k) and worked fine20:06
rodvil(why can't hardware makers just support linux!!!!)20:06
bogdanwhat laptop do you have?20:06
silverlightningrodvil, it is easily activated often20:06
bogdanis the card disabled by a software switch (fn+f1) or something like that?20:06
bogdan?20:09
rodvil_sorry, I had a power problem20:10
bogdanis the card disabled by a software switch (fn+f1) or something like that?20:10
rodvil_This is a asus eeepc 1015PN20:10
bogdanthe one with extended battery life?20:11
rodvil_I have had some troubles specially with video because it uses the new hibrid video drive20:11
bogdani thing that you might need to use wpa (not wpa2) as wireless security20:11
rodvil_it has a softare switch at f2 key20:12
bogdanhad some issues with one of my colleague's eeepc20:12
rodvil_and how do I change the security to wpa?20:12
bogdanyou basically have 2options: compile a custom module to support wpa2, or change to wpa20:12
phillwrodvil_: your model is listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks Which is a handy place to start :)20:12
bogdanin your wireless security section20:12
bogdanon your router's setup page20:12
bogdanusuallu 192.168.1.120:13
bogdanusually*20:13
silverlightningno, wpa2 should be supported20:13
KM0201bogdan: did it output exactly what you put above..  02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)   you didn't miss a "lp-py" in there?20:13
KM0201it's not a wpa vs wpa2 issue20:13
bogdanit might be worth a shot20:14
bogdanto change to wpa20:15
KM0201no20:15
KM0201if you're gonna change it to anything... turn security off20:15
wxlseems ridiculous20:15
KM0201(temporarily of course).. and see if it connects w/o security20:15
wxlyeah i agree with that logic20:15
rodvil_I think I tried already turning security off before and didn't work20:15
silverlightningno, it can be encryption issues, but, it is password only, not affecting network detection20:16
rodvil_I can try it again20:16
bogdanyeah, are you sure you did not check some ssid broadcast disable setting?20:16
wxlyou did reboot after drive install right?20:16
bogdanssid broadcasting should be on20:16
rodvil_which drive install? I rebooted many times since setting the network20:17
wxlaw nevermind, i'm confused20:17
wxlthat's what i get for getting in half way into a conversation20:17
silverlightningrodvil_, but you have activated drivers? you have to do it maually from a function in menu20:19
rodvil_ok, this is the status of the nework now: Wireless enable; Auto channel selection enable; WMM enable; hidden wireless not enable; security mode wpa/wpa220:19
silverlightninghard ware something, a green ikon like an internal networks card20:19
wxlsilverlightning: isn't that the "additional drivers" thing?20:20
rodvil_but I can see all these other wireless networks, what driver are you talking about?20:20
bogdancan you see the wireless network npw?20:20
bogdannow*20:20
silverlightningwxl, yes, maybe, I am not in lubuntu right now, and my memory is short term on some stuff lol20:20
wxlcan you try to connect directly? (use the "connect to hidden network" option)20:20
rodvil_no, that is still the rpoblem. I can't see only my network, and a windows machine can see and connect to it20:21
KM0201rodvil_: menu/system tools/additional drivers, see if you see a broadcom driver there that is "activated"20:21
wxlsilverlightning: just making sure we're on the same page :D20:21
KM0201rodvil_: is your SSID broadcasting?  if not, try broadcasting it and see if you can connect.20:21
rodvil_yes, broadcom driver is active20:22
bogdanhe just said that the hidden wireless setting in his router is not enabled20:22
rodvil_(by the way... thanks for the help, I really appreciate it!)20:22
KM0201well that doesnt make any sense...20:22
wxlsome systems (windows does this if i remember correctly), if they are familiar with a hidden ssid, will show it all the time20:22
wxlso it makes it look not hidden when it is20:22
rodvil_I also tried before to make it hidden and trying to connect to it without success20:22
silverlightninghmm20:23
wxldid you try to connect to it as if it were hidden?20:23
rodvil_I can try that one now20:23
rodvil_but the windows machine that I tried now was the first time connecting to it without problems20:24
wxli know20:24
wxlthat's kind of what i was saying-- might not be surprising20:24
silverlightningI need to reboot20:24
wxl(have we looked in dmesg for driver messages already?)20:24
rodvil_Trying to connect to hidden without it being hidden doesnt work also20:25
rodvil_wxl: i don't think I did that dmesg thing20:26
bogdandmesg|grep -i error20:27
bogdandmesg|egrep '(bcm|ath)'20:27
rodvil_oh, I just remember... I think that when I started the router the first time I could see the network. it was only after I set the connection to the static IP and the new network id that I couldn't see it anymore. I didn't try to connect to the reset version of the wireless though20:27
wxlmight be interesting to reset the router and see what happens20:27
wxloh20:28
wxlmaybe dns cache issue?20:28
bogdancan you please remove the old network from the network manager wireless list?20:28
rodvil_[   17.903121] EXT4-fs (sda1): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro20:28
rodvil_[   27.779230] EXT4-fs (sda1): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro,commit=020:28
wxlpastebin it20:29
wxl(i assume there's more) :D20:29
bogdanit has at most 2 lines20:29
bogdanthe ones with bcm or atheros20:29
rodvil_that was it for the first command, now the second:20:29
rodvil_[    1.390316] device-mapper: multipath: version 1.2.0 loaded20:29
rodvil_[    1.390325] device-mapper: multipath round-robin: version 1.0.0 loaded20:29
bogdansudo modprobe -l|egrep '(bcm|ath)'20:29
wxli say flush your dns cache: /etc/rc.d/init.d/nscd restart20:30
wxlfirst remove the old network as bogdan said tho20:30
rodvil_I removed now the old nets20:30
wxlhave you tried to ping your router?20:31
bogdanhe does not see the network20:31
rodvil_kernel/drivers/net/phy/bcm63xx.ko20:31
rodvil_kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath5k/ath5k.ko20:31
rodvil_kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath9k/ath9k.ko20:31
rodvil_kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath9k/ath9k_hw.ko20:31
rodvil_kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath9k/ath9k_common.ko20:31
rodvil_kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath9k/ath9k_htc.ko20:31
rodvil_kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ar9170/ar9170usb.ko20:31
rodvil_kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/carl9170/carl9170.ko20:31
bogdanpinging the router with no connection...20:31
rodvil_kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath.ko20:31
rodvil_kernel/drivers/input/mouse/bcm5974.ko20:31
rodvil_kernel/drivers/media/dvb/frontends/bcm3510.ko20:31
rodvil_kernel/drivers/md/multipath.ko20:31
rodvil_kernel/drivers/staging/bcm/bcm_wimax.ko20:31
wxloh right :D20:31
rodvil_kernel/drivers/bluetooth/bcm203x.ko20:31
rodvil_kernel/drivers/bluetooth/ath3k.ko20:31
rodvil_kernel/net/can/can-bcm.ko20:31
rodvil_that was for this: sudo modprobe -l|egrep '(bcm|ath)'20:31
rodvil_no, didn't tried20:31
wxlwell there's always the etnernet20:31
bogdan:)20:31
rodvil_I'm connected to the router but on a cable connection20:32
wxlso that's kind of dumb tho20:32
wxlharumph that's just weird20:32
rodvil_so... should I flush the dns cache and restart?20:33
bogdancan you do a : sudo wlan0 scan |grep <your_network_name> again?20:33
john_rambohoww to configure Abiword to check spellings ? ATM its not20:33
rodvil_sudo: wlan0: command not found20:34
bogdansudo iwlis wlan0 scan|grep network_name20:34
bogdaniwlist20:34
bogdansorry20:34
bogdan:)20:34
bogdansudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep SSID20:35
bogdanjust like this20:35
rodvil_wlan0     Interface doesn't support scanning.20:35
bogdan...20:35
bogdanshoud at least let you scan20:35
bogdantry without sudo20:35
rodvil_same result20:35
bogdanlsmod|egrep '(ath|bcm)'20:36
bogdan?20:36
phillwjohn_rambo: http://www.abisource.com/help/en-US/interface/menutools.html20:37
silverarrowhi20:37
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wxlnmap anyone? :D20:37
Guest48840I have major problems with package manager?20:37
wxlGuest48840: which one?20:37
bogdanwhy? he is not connected to the wireless network20:37
Guest48840can it be fixed? I am in 11.1020:37
bogdanhow can he use nmap?20:37
Guest48840package manager crashes, I get no updates in updatemanager20:38
wxlbogdan: by that same logic, how could he scan?20:38
wxli'm sort of thinking it's an issue with the card20:38
bogdanme too20:38
rodvil_lsmod|egrep '(ath|bcm)' just gives nothing20:38
wxlbut then he does see other networks20:38
wxlrodvil_: can you connect to any of those other networks? any open?20:38
rodvil_rodvil@mini-asus:~$ lsmod|egrep '(ath|bcm)'20:39
rodvil_rodvil@mini-asus:~$ lsmod|egre^C'(ath|bcm)'20:39
bogdansudo ifconfig wlan0 up20:39
rodvil_no open ones20:39
Guest48840hmm20:39
bogdanor ifconfig without any other parameters shows wlan0?20:39
Guest48840how do I identify?20:39
rodvil_but I usually can connect without problems to other nets20:39
bogdanGuest48840 try: sudo apt-get install -f (in a terminal)20:39
Guest48840I was silverlightning a few minutes ago20:40
bogdanoh20:40
wxlif it's not a card issue it's a driver issue20:40
rodvil_rodvil@mini-asus:~$ sudo ifconfig wlan0 up20:40
rodvil_wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device20:40
bogdan:)20:40
bogdanok20:40
Guest48840no packages available?20:41
Guest48840hmm20:41
john_rambophillw, I checked, there is no spellings submenu in the tools menu at my end20:41
bogdanrun: gksu jockey-gtk20:41
rodvil_I feel helpless! :(20:41
Guest48840I thought there would be loads of updates for 11.10?20:41
bogdanand tell us what you see20:42
phillwjohn_rambo: it may require installing20:42
Guest48840and package manager crashes on launch20:42
bogdanGuest48840 try to launch update-manager from a terminal20:42
bogdanan tell us what error appear there20:42
john_rambophillw, I tried ...which package ?20:42
phillwjohn_rambo: try http://en.kioskea.net/faq/11811-abiword-enable-grammar-checking20:43
rodvil_It looks for additional drivers and then I see the broadcom sta wireless driver that is activated20:43
Guest48840bogan, I did the command you posted in terminal20:43
Guest48840must have a bad install?20:44
Guest48840I am booted in lubuntu now20:44
bogdanwhat error did appear when the update-manager crashed?20:44
bogdanrodvil_ it says that the driver is active?20:44
john_rambophillw, Thas already selected20:44
Guest48840a crash report20:44
bogdandid you upgrade?20:45
Guest48840I didn't post it, it was already posted20:45
Guest48840no, i did an install from last fridays daily20:45
bogdanoh20:45
Guest48840odd really20:45
Guest48840not very clever of me20:45
phillwand, more to the point, which version of 11.10 are you using? At this stage, you should really be on the RC version, not the daily build.20:45
Guest48840I didn't expect this type of bug20:45
bogdanrodvil_ try to disable and enable the driver20:46
bogdanand reboot20:46
Guest48840phillw: RC?20:46
rodvil_ok20:46
bogdanGuest48840: sudo apt-get install -f20:46
Guest48840ok, where do I find it?20:46
Guest48840I did that one bogdan20:46
bogdanor sudo apt-get install aptitude20:46
bogdanand sudo aptitude install -f20:46
bogdani find aptitude to work better20:46
bogdanor sudo dpkg-reconfigure update-manager20:47
bogdanor sudo aptitude reinstall update-manager20:47
phillwGuest48840: Release Client... they are at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/ and all seem to re-building, so be patient :)20:47
bogdanrelease candidate you mean20:47
john_rambophillw, Done ....installed pacage aspell ..Thanks20:48
Guest48840thanks phillw20:48
phillwbogdan: yup... it's been a long few days :P20:48
bogdanabout that, i really need to get some sleep.20:48
bogdancheers!20:49
rodvil_I'm restarting to see if something happened!20:49
rodvil_thanks for the help so far20:49
Guest48840phillw: I might be better of installing the final launched version20:50
Guest48840updates are comming20:51
phillwGuest48840: allow the RC to settle, they are rebuilding as we speak, once done they will be final release wit a couple of updates.20:51
wxlaw poo no ppc rc20:53
wxlno matter the installer's prolly still borked20:55
wxli just want to see a 11.10 ppc mini.iso and i'm good20:55
Guest48840I still have package manager crash, never happened before20:56
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phillwwxl: once the dust settles, the team will throw together a method for ppc20:57
silverlightningit seems I need to change nick manually, after login20:57
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rodvilI'm back and I still can't connect to my wireless network. just reset the router and reconfigured the whole thing. can't still see my network!21:29
silverlightningvery unusual21:29
KM0201rodvil: did you see if you could connect w/o any security? (even though i don't think this is a security issue)21:30
rodvilnow there is no security and I still can't see the network21:30
KM0201rodvil: but you can see others, correct?21:31
rodvilyes, correct21:31
KM0201any chance one of them is open?21:31
rodvilnope all closed21:31
rodvilI see 19 wireless nets!!!!21:32
KM0201rodvil: what version of ubuntu are you using?21:32
rodvillubuntu 10.0421:32
rodvil11.0421:32
rodvilsorry21:32
KM020132/64?21:32
wxlrodvil: uname -a21:32
silverlightningI have had this trouble in Vista, I ended up buying a new router21:32
rodvilI already tried with another router brand before. I didn't dig so deaply because I thought it was a brand problem21:33
silverlightningI was continuously disconnected for some weird reason, only on one computer21:33
rodvilI think it is the internet provider static IP or something21:33
silverlightningnow I have that problem on a mach21:33
wxlhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1424280&page=2 this thread is interesting21:34
rodvilrodvil@mini-asus:~$ uname -a21:34
rodvilLinux mini-asus 2.6.38-11-generic #50-Ubuntu SMP Mon Sep 12 21:18:14 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux21:34
KM0201rodvil: no... the router handles all that21:34
wxlone person fixed it by a total reinstall21:34
KM0201so you're using 32bit.21:34
rodvilyes.. is there a 64bit lubuntu?21:34
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wxlanother removes bcmwl-kernel-source and installs b43-fwcutter and firmware-b43-lpphy-installer21:35
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wxlwhat driver were you using again?21:36
rodvilthe additional broadcom sta driver21:37
KM0201wxl: he doesnnt have a lp-phy device, so.. that's pointless21:37
KM0201as for b43.. it doesn't seem that device is supported by b43..21:37
rodvilI can connect to other networks, I can connect to the router by cable. it has to be something specific from this specific wireless network!21:37
KM0201if b43 supports that device, then i would try to manually install it21:37
wxlyeah just googling here21:38
rodvilwhat is b43?21:38
KM0201rodvil: a driver21:38
wxlas far as i can tell the sta is the official driver21:38
KM0201yeah.21:38
KM0201some devices will work w/ both, but the 4313, is not listed as working w/ the b43.21:39
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wxlhave we tried removing and reinstalling the driver? maybe download directly from broadcom21:39
rodvilI tried before to remove and then reinstall21:39
KM0201wxl: don't think so... he tried the restricted driver, and he can see networks, so.. in theory, he should be able to see his network21:39
rodvildidn't reboot in between though21:39
wxlyeah rebooting is in general a good idea21:40
rodvilI feel I just found a little tiny blackhole of improbability!21:40
KM0201rodvil: well, remove driver, reboot, activate driver, and reboot, see what happens21:40
rodvilI reboot after reinstalling and not between removing and reinstalling21:41
rodvilok... going for that one now.21:41
KM0201rodvil: wel, the fact it is seeing other networks, suggests it is working fine... it's clearly something in your router settings21:41
wxlthere's a patch for >2.6.3721:42
KM0201(it would seem anyway)21:42
wxlwonder if it's already applied..21:42
rodvilKM0201: I also think so21:42
wxlKM0201: i think it's curious that he's only seeing closed networks. if it were me, i'd go to the library or a coffee shop where i KNOW there's an open network and see what happens21:43
wxlbut i would do that after the remove, reboot, reinstall, rebooot21:43
KM0201wxl: exactly my thinking21:43
rodvilI really think there is only close nets here. I usually see open nets without problem21:44
rodvilrebooting now!21:44
KM0201wxl: i'm starting to think he's full of it..21:47
wxlhah21:47
KM0201or he's not telling us everything (for whatever reason)21:47
wxlwhat would be the point to that, though?21:47
wxljust to fuck with the lubuntu guys?21:47
KM0201wxl: trolls love to do that21:47
wxli mean seriously, who cares?21:47
wxlyeah i guess21:47
KM0201well, not just lubuntu, they do it in linux channels all the time, show up w/ some ridiculous problem that *nobody* else has... and 3-4 people spend hours trouble shooting it, then they juts disappear, and never come back.21:48
wxlhuh, weird21:48
silverarrownever heard of that?21:48
wxli tend to come in and out as needed so i guess that's not something i've seen21:48
KM0201not saying thats definitely the prob... but.. this one sure strikes me as weird21:48
wxli hear you21:48
KM0201how long have you guys been using linux?21:48
KM0201silverarrow: i know you've not been that long, but.. hang out in the large channels (like #ubuntu) some time.. and you'll see it.21:49
silverarrowI have been using it on and off for a few years21:49
KM0201when you have experience, it's easy to spot.21:49
silverarrowbut lately a lot, the last year or so21:49
wxlit's been a darn long while21:49
KM0201do you just not hang out in support channels much?21:50
wxlexactly21:50
silverarrowI haven't been in irc until fairly recently21:50
KM0201wel, obviously, that would be a pre-requisite requirement..lol21:50
KM0201ah, see.. i've been hanging ut on IRC since around fedora 4.21:51
rodvilim back, didnt work21:51
KM0201rodvil: what exactly does lspci say (the entire line) about your wireless device..21:52
silverarrowI registered with silverlightning some time ago, can't remember anymore21:53
rodvil01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications AR8132 Fast Ethernet (rev c0)21:56
rodvil02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)21:56
rodvilKM0201: is this the ones you want21:57
KM0201yes, thank you21:57
wxldisappeared. work21:58
KM0201no22:00
rodvilany other ideas?22:03
KM0201rodvil: something isn't right.22:04
KM0201rodvil: what kind of router do you have?22:04
rodvild-link dir-60022:06
wxlto answer your question, KM0201 i started playing with freebsd around 20 years ago and not too long after that was flirting with redhat and slackware22:11
KM0201gotcha.22:11
wxlah, the frustrating days of rolling your own kernels.. i almost kind of miss it22:11
KM0201not me22:12
wxl:)22:12
wxl*ALMOST*22:13
wxli'll be honest, i had a hell of a time getting slackware to work on an old thinkpad22:13
wxlubuntu really turned things around for me22:13
wxland lubuntu just made it perfect :D22:14
KM0201yeah, first distro i got to work "100%" was fedora 5.  but i had 3 and 4, working almost 100%22:14
KM0201so they were acceptable22:14
wxlback in those days i was using dialup22:14
wxlwent through a lot of trouble to get the modem working22:14
wxlfinally succeeded but no such luck on the sound22:15
wxlhad a bit of a love affair with os x22:15
KM0201lol22:15
KM0201those were the days22:15
rodvilmy previous machine was working great for 2 years with different distros. this new one is killing me!22:15
wxli'd try a reinstall rodvil22:15
KM0201rodvil: i'm working on someone elses problem right now, then i'm gonna try to figure your issue out.22:15
KM0201i still think it's a router setting22:16
wxlanywho os x just made me pine for freebsd22:16
wxli dual-booted our cursed windows desktop with qimo for my daughter22:16
rodvilI'm heading to bed now. Will you be on around this time tomorrow?22:16
wxlfound myself using it a lot22:16
KM0201rodvil: probably22:17
KM0201rodvil: where are you located?22:17
wxlrodvil: i'd really suggest you go find an open network in a public place and try it out. if it works, you know your problem is the router. if it doesn't, then it's the driver or the card.22:17
rodvilIm living in Sweden now22:18
rodvilI never had any trouble connecting to open nets22:19
wxlthe question is do you now22:19
wxlanswer that question clearly22:19
wxlif you know the answer is yes22:19
wxlthen you know the problem is the router22:19
wxlin which case you should join #dlink (j/k there's no such channel but suffice it to say #lubuntu ain't the place)22:19
rodvilthe problem is the connection between router and my lubuntu, I would say22:20
wxlthen get an air filter ;)22:20
rodvilI'll try to connect tomorrow to a new net22:20
KM0201rodvil: i don't think so at all.22:20
KM0201rodvil: ok, try to connect to another network tomorrow, and let us know.22:20
rodvilbut if a window pc connects to the router then it cant be a router problem22:21
wxl#1 rule to trouble shooting-- remove all variables no matter how stupid22:21
wxlall = as many as possible22:21
rodvilyes... I agree. I'm just realy frustrated with this one!22:22
wxlhey dude, i feel ya22:22
wxli spent like a week trying to get 11.10 on my powerbook22:22
wxli cannot begin to tell you the trouble i went through22:22
wxlin the end i decided to just wait for a more stable version to come out22:22
wxlbut i think i managed to get some clarity along the way22:23
rodvilI have trouble with my video because of the new hibrid drive and bumblebee and so, but thats new technology. I kind of understand. But this black hole of nonsense!!!22:23
wxli found out what the problem was22:23
rodvil:)22:23
wxlanywho, see you tomorrow22:23
rodvilsee you... and thanks22:23
* phillw please head off to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/ go and hug one.... please?23:44
silverarrowhi hyperair23:45
hyperairhi silverarrow23:49
silverarrowI opened phillw's link23:50
phillwsilverarrow: I do ensure that they are good links & I did tell you to wait for the re-spin to ensure you had the best version,23:52
phillwhyperair: as you will have seen, lubuntu <> ubuntu core at 11.10, they really did not help themselves on that.23:54
silverarrowyes, and my trouble was the daily from friday23:55
hyperairphillw: i dunno, somehow i get the feeling negotiations must have broken down somewhere, because there seems to be quite some bad blood between lubuntu and the irc council.23:55
silverarrowhelp themselves ?23:55
* silverarrow fetches ilks for blood cleansing 23:56
hyperairphillw: on the other hand, i really don't think i'm getting the full picture here.23:56
phillwhyperair: there is most likely bad blood between me and crr / cww - he is not a council member.23:56
hyperairanyway, i think i'll talk to elky or someone sometime to get a clear picture on this before replying on that thread.23:56
phillwhyperair: every time I've had a knock back, I've23:57
hyperairphillw: speaking from personal experience, you've got a habit of treating things as black-and-white and not accepting anything in between, no offence meant.23:57
hyperairphillw: which is mainly why i'd like to hear their side of the story first.23:58
phillwhyperair: indeed. when you are raised in a ghetto, you learn wo to fight for.23:58
hyperairphillw: there's something called a compromise.23:59
hyperairphillw: if you force everyone into a me vs you situation, things don't turn out prettily.23:59

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