[00:12] <fuse-oss> suddenly i am a lubuntu user
[00:14] <fuse-oss> why did it put me at the top
[00:14] <fuse-oss> oh alphabetic
[05:04] <ridz16> I'm excited
[05:05] <ridz16> about the upcoming lubuntu 10.10 which is to be release today  10/10, but it's still not on the lubuntu.net website ?
[05:07] <Unit193> Well, it's 11.10 for the year.month
[05:08] <ridz16> woops  I misread.
[05:08] <ridz16> thought its gonna be 11.10 lol
[05:30] <micahg> the release is on the 13th
[05:30] <Unit193> Yeah, was about to say that when he left :/
[05:41] <meway> Wut ever happend to nautilus?
[05:42] <meway> its like fman or something like that?
[05:42] <Unit193> Nautilus is the default file manager for Gnome, I don't know what happened to it, but Lubuntu uses PCManFM
[06:18]  * wxl yawns
[17:44] <wxl> so let me get this straight: on 11.10 is going to be released on thursday (https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg04945.html) but it's coming out 11/10 (http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/10/10/%23lubuntu.html around 05:05) too? which? what?
[17:45] <bioterror> take it easy
[17:45] <bioterror> it will come when it comes during that day ;)
[17:45]  * wxl stops hyperventilating
[17:45] <wxl> and my that you mean some?
[17:46] <wxl> thurs ≠ 11/10 (which is ambiguous really.. is it october 11 or november 10th? neither are thurs, tho)
[17:59] <bioterror> hi bodhi
[18:46] <bogdan> hello everone
[18:47] <wxl> yo
[18:47] <bogdan> can anyone tell me if this happened to you: when you start chromium, the x server(or lxde) crashes and restarts
[18:47] <bogdan> and I'm left at the login screen again
[18:49] <bioterror> look for /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:51] <bogdan> it seems that the lxde daemon seg-faulted
[18:51] <bogdan> Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting
[18:51] <bogdan> Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support
[18:51] <bogdan>          at http://wiki.x.org
[18:51] <bogdan>  for help.
[19:29] <silverlightning> hi
[19:29] <silverlightning> someone stole my nick, I'm silverarrow too
[19:30] <silverlightning> anyone trying the latest daily ?
[19:30] <silverlightning> it crashes here
[19:30] <silverlightning> I mean last fridays
[19:30] <silverlightning> maybe todays would be better?
[19:32] <silverlightning> someone stole my nick
[19:33] <silverlightning> I shall snatch alias just to be even
[19:38] <tzvi|laptop> any ideas why after i login my screens (2 ATI) go black?
[19:38] <silverlightning> hi
[19:38] <tzvi|laptop> hi
[19:38] <silverlightning> hmm, newly installed?
[19:38] <tzvi|laptop> nope
[19:39] <tzvi|laptop> one moment to the next
[19:39] <silverlightning> odd
[19:39] <silverlightning> then it is not driver issues
[19:39] <tzvi|laptop> dont think so
[19:39] <silverlightning> some graphic cards can be horror in linux
[19:40] <silverlightning> sorting out drivers I mean
[19:40] <tzvi|laptop> yeah
[19:40] <tzvi|laptop> ive used this card before w/o issues
[19:40] <silverlightning> then it must be something else
[19:41] <tzvi|laptop> i tried apt-get install lxde --reinstall
[19:41] <tzvi|laptop> negative
[19:42] <tzvi|laptop> tried turning off one monitor also negative
[19:42] <tzvi|laptop> what logs can i check?
[19:43] <tzvi|laptop> any idea
[19:44] <silverlightning> eller
[19:44] <silverlightning> or try this
[19:44] <silverlightning> sudo service lxdm restart
[19:45] <tzvi|laptop> no luck
[19:47] <tzvi|laptop> im looking at xorg.0.log but i dont understand it :(
[19:48] <tzvi|laptop> http://pastebin.com/eW7bAp44 if someone can take a look it would be greatly appreciated
[19:51] <silverlightning> I had major issus with radeon 200M something
[19:51] <silverlightning> I'm sorry, I'm not clever enough for it
[19:53] <rodvil> Hello, I'm looking for some help. Its my first time here
[19:53] <bogdan> sudo aticonfig --initial
[19:53] <bogdan> and reboot
[19:53] <bogdan> tvzi
[19:53] <silverlightning> hi rodvil
[19:54] <bogdan> sorry
[19:54] <bogdan> according to your logs this will not work
[19:55] <bogdan> try this: sudo apt-get install fglrx fglrx-amdcccle
[19:55] <rodvil> I'm having trouble with my wireless. I have a static IP internet and I just bought a simple D-Link router. I set up the wireless but my computer can't see the network. Another pc with windows can see it without problems
[19:55] <bogdan> and apt-get install build-essential
[19:55] <bogdan> actually install the build-essential first
[19:55] <tzvi> bogdan: you talking to me?
[19:55] <bogdan> yes
[19:56] <tzvi> Great thanks
[19:56] <silverlightning> rodvil, hmm, have you tried restarting your router?
[19:56] <bogdan> tzvi
[19:56] <rodvil> yes, several times
[19:56] <silverlightning> rodvil, the very simple first
[19:56] <silverlightning> ; )
[19:56] <silverlightning> hmm
[19:56] <tzvi> bogdan:
[19:56] <bogdan> also I think you might need to install linux-headers-generic
[19:56] <rodvil> also restarting computer, changing network name and some other simple things that might work :)
[19:56] <silverlightning> does it detect any networks?
[19:57] <bogdan> ?
[19:57] <rodvil> yes, a lot of networks here in the building, but not mine
[19:57] <tzvi> Got it thanx bogdan
[19:57] <silverlightning> like, if you get any networks listed in lubuntu?
[19:57] <bogdan> please let me know if this worked
[19:58] <silverlightning> hmm
[19:58] <bogdan> you can test without restarting: sudo rmmod glx
[19:58] <rodvil> I though it was from the router or network settings, but I tried now with a windows pc and it just worked perfectly
[19:58] <bogdan> then sudo modprobe fglrx
[19:58] <bogdan> sudo service lxdm restart
[19:58] <silverlightning> wpa, wpa2 settings
[19:58] <tzvi> bogdan: just left the office. But I will be back later and ill let you know
[19:58] <bogdan> k
[19:59] <rodvil> not sure about that one. its a preset key with 8 letters. I will try to identify that with the router
[19:59] <silverlightning> hmm, those letters are from your internetprovider, like on a sticker?
[20:00] <rodvil> nope, I set them
[20:00] <silverlightning> hmm, most routers can do all encrytions
[20:00] <rodvil> In the router admin area it just says its using wap/wap2. so I'm not sure which
[20:01] <bogdan> @ rodvil : please post the output of:  lspci|grep -i network
[20:01] <meetingology> bogdan: Error: "rodvil" is not a valid command.
[20:01] <bogdan> rodvil : please post the output of:  lspci|grep -i network
[20:01] <silverlightning> which wifi card do you have rovil?
[20:01] <silverlightning> rodvil * sorry
[20:02] <rodvil> 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)
[20:02] <rodvil> this is the output for that command
[20:02] <silverlightning> broadcom have issus in buntus!
[20:02] <bogdan> yeah, it shows your wireless network card
[20:02] <bogdan> not all of them
[20:03] <bogdan> can you connect to other wireless networks?
[20:03] <silverlightning> it is driver, as long as other networks are detected, I cannot see drivers being the problem
[20:03] <rodvil> yes, first time having problems. I have this netbook for about 3 months only
[20:04] <bogdan> can you please post the result of: sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep <your_network_name>
[20:04] <bogdan> ?
[20:04] <silverlightning> broadcom usually works after first reboot, when the restricted drivers are added
[20:04] <silverlightning> they need to be activated
[20:05] <bogdan> yeah, but this way we can determine in the network broadcasts its ssid :)
[20:05] <rodvil> wlan0     Interface doesn't support scanning.
[20:05] <phillw> and when you enable them, it usually knocks to sound off, you just need to turn te sound back on :)
[20:05] <bogdan> :)
[20:06] <bogdan> i had a laptop with broadcom wireless (ath9k) and worked fine
[20:06] <rodvil> (why can't hardware makers just support linux!!!!)
[20:06] <bogdan> what laptop do you have?
[20:06] <silverlightning> rodvil, it is easily activated often
[20:06] <bogdan> is the card disabled by a software switch (fn+f1) or something like that?
[20:09] <bogdan> ?
[20:10] <rodvil_> sorry, I had a power problem
[20:10] <bogdan> is the card disabled by a software switch (fn+f1) or something like that?
[20:10] <rodvil_> This is a asus eeepc 1015PN
[20:11] <bogdan> the one with extended battery life?
[20:11] <rodvil_> I have had some troubles specially with video because it uses the new hibrid video drive
[20:11] <bogdan> i thing that you might need to use wpa (not wpa2) as wireless security
[20:12] <rodvil_> it has a softare switch at f2 key
[20:12] <bogdan> had some issues with one of my colleague's eeepc
[20:12] <rodvil_> and how do I change the security to wpa?
[20:12] <bogdan> you basically have 2options: compile a custom module to support wpa2, or change to wpa
[20:12] <phillw> rodvil_: your model is listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks Which is a handy place to start :)
[20:12] <bogdan> in your wireless security section
[20:12] <bogdan> on your router's setup page
[20:13] <bogdan> usuallu 192.168.1.1
[20:13] <bogdan> usually*
[20:13] <silverlightning> no, wpa2 should be supported
[20:13] <KM0201> bogdan: did it output exactly what you put above..  02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)   you didn't miss a "lp-py" in there?
[20:13] <KM0201> it's not a wpa vs wpa2 issue
[20:14] <bogdan> it might be worth a shot
[20:15] <bogdan> to change to wpa
[20:15] <KM0201> no
[20:15] <KM0201> if you're gonna change it to anything... turn security off
[20:15] <wxl> seems ridiculous
[20:15] <KM0201> (temporarily of course).. and see if it connects w/o security
[20:15] <wxl> yeah i agree with that logic
[20:15] <rodvil_> I think I tried already turning security off before and didn't work
[20:16] <silverlightning> no, it can be encryption issues, but, it is password only, not affecting network detection
[20:16] <rodvil_> I can try it again
[20:16] <bogdan> yeah, are you sure you did not check some ssid broadcast disable setting?
[20:16] <wxl> you did reboot after drive install right?
[20:16] <bogdan> ssid broadcasting should be on
[20:17] <rodvil_> which drive install? I rebooted many times since setting the network
[20:17] <wxl> aw nevermind, i'm confused
[20:17] <wxl> that's what i get for getting in half way into a conversation
[20:19] <silverlightning> rodvil_, but you have activated drivers? you have to do it maually from a function in menu
[20:19] <rodvil_> ok, this is the status of the nework now: Wireless enable; Auto channel selection enable; WMM enable; hidden wireless not enable; security mode wpa/wpa2
[20:19] <silverlightning> hard ware something, a green ikon like an internal networks card
[20:20] <wxl> silverlightning: isn't that the "additional drivers" thing?
[20:20] <rodvil_> but I can see all these other wireless networks, what driver are you talking about?
[20:20] <bogdan> can you see the wireless network npw?
[20:20] <bogdan> now*
[20:20] <silverlightning> wxl, yes, maybe, I am not in lubuntu right now, and my memory is short term on some stuff lol
[20:20] <wxl> can you try to connect directly? (use the "connect to hidden network" option)
[20:21] <rodvil_> no, that is still the rpoblem. I can't see only my network, and a windows machine can see and connect to it
[20:21] <KM0201> rodvil_: menu/system tools/additional drivers, see if you see a broadcom driver there that is "activated"
[20:21] <wxl> silverlightning: just making sure we're on the same page :D
[20:21] <KM0201> rodvil_: is your SSID broadcasting?  if not, try broadcasting it and see if you can connect.
[20:22] <rodvil_> yes, broadcom driver is active
[20:22] <bogdan> he just said that the hidden wireless setting in his router is not enabled
[20:22] <rodvil_> (by the way... thanks for the help, I really appreciate it!)
[20:22] <KM0201> well that doesnt make any sense...
[20:22] <wxl> some systems (windows does this if i remember correctly), if they are familiar with a hidden ssid, will show it all the time
[20:22] <wxl> so it makes it look not hidden when it is
[20:22] <rodvil_> I also tried before to make it hidden and trying to connect to it without success
[20:23] <silverlightning> hmm
[20:23] <wxl> did you try to connect to it as if it were hidden?
[20:23] <rodvil_> I can try that one now
[20:24] <rodvil_> but the windows machine that I tried now was the first time connecting to it without problems
[20:24] <wxl> i know
[20:24] <wxl> that's kind of what i was saying-- might not be surprising
[20:24] <silverlightning> I need to reboot
[20:24] <wxl> (have we looked in dmesg for driver messages already?)
[20:25] <rodvil_> Trying to connect to hidden without it being hidden doesnt work also
[20:26] <rodvil_> wxl: i don't think I did that dmesg thing
[20:27] <bogdan> dmesg|grep -i error
[20:27] <bogdan> dmesg|egrep '(bcm|ath)'
[20:27] <rodvil_> oh, I just remember... I think that when I started the router the first time I could see the network. it was only after I set the connection to the static IP and the new network id that I couldn't see it anymore. I didn't try to connect to the reset version of the wireless though
[20:27] <wxl> might be interesting to reset the router and see what happens
[20:28] <wxl> oh
[20:28] <wxl> maybe dns cache issue?
[20:28] <bogdan> can you please remove the old network from the network manager wireless list?
[20:28] <rodvil_> [   17.903121] EXT4-fs (sda1): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro
[20:28] <rodvil_> [   27.779230] EXT4-fs (sda1): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro,commit=0
[20:29] <wxl> pastebin it
[20:29] <wxl> (i assume there's more) :D
[20:29] <bogdan> it has at most 2 lines
[20:29] <bogdan> the ones with bcm or atheros
[20:29] <rodvil_> that was it for the first command, now the second:
[20:29] <rodvil_> [    1.390316] device-mapper: multipath: version 1.2.0 loaded
[20:29] <rodvil_> [    1.390325] device-mapper: multipath round-robin: version 1.0.0 loaded
[20:29] <bogdan> sudo modprobe -l|egrep '(bcm|ath)'
[20:30] <wxl> i say flush your dns cache: /etc/rc.d/init.d/nscd restart
[20:30] <wxl> first remove the old network as bogdan said tho
[20:30] <rodvil_> I removed now the old nets
[20:31] <wxl> have you tried to ping your router?
[20:31] <bogdan> he does not see the network
[20:31] <rodvil_> kernel/drivers/net/phy/bcm63xx.ko
[20:31] <rodvil_> kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath5k/ath5k.ko
[20:31] <rodvil_> kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath9k/ath9k.ko
[20:31] <rodvil_> kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath9k/ath9k_hw.ko
[20:31] <rodvil_> kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath9k/ath9k_common.ko
[20:31] <rodvil_> kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath9k/ath9k_htc.ko
[20:31] <rodvil_> kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ar9170/ar9170usb.ko
[20:31] <rodvil_> kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/carl9170/carl9170.ko
[20:31] <bogdan> pinging the router with no connection...
[20:31] <rodvil_> kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath.ko
[20:31] <rodvil_> kernel/drivers/input/mouse/bcm5974.ko
[20:31] <rodvil_> kernel/drivers/media/dvb/frontends/bcm3510.ko
[20:31] <rodvil_> kernel/drivers/md/multipath.ko
[20:31] <rodvil_> kernel/drivers/staging/bcm/bcm_wimax.ko
[20:31] <wxl> oh right :D
[20:31] <rodvil_> kernel/drivers/bluetooth/bcm203x.ko
[20:31] <rodvil_> kernel/drivers/bluetooth/ath3k.ko
[20:31] <rodvil_> kernel/net/can/can-bcm.ko
[20:31] <rodvil_> that was for this: sudo modprobe -l|egrep '(bcm|ath)'
[20:31] <rodvil_> no, didn't tried
[20:31] <wxl> well there's always the etnernet
[20:31] <bogdan> :)
[20:32] <rodvil_> I'm connected to the router but on a cable connection
[20:32] <wxl> so that's kind of dumb tho
[20:32] <wxl> harumph that's just weird
[20:33] <rodvil_> so... should I flush the dns cache and restart?
[20:33] <bogdan> can you do a : sudo wlan0 scan |grep <your_network_name> again?
[20:33] <john_rambo> howw to configure Abiword to check spellings ? ATM its not
[20:34] <rodvil_> sudo: wlan0: command not found
[20:34] <bogdan> sudo iwlis wlan0 scan|grep network_name
[20:34] <bogdan> iwlist
[20:34] <bogdan> sorry
[20:34] <bogdan> :)
[20:35] <bogdan> sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep SSID
[20:35] <bogdan> just like this
[20:35] <rodvil_> wlan0     Interface doesn't support scanning.
[20:35] <bogdan> ...
[20:35] <bogdan> shoud at least let you scan
[20:35] <bogdan> try without sudo
[20:35] <rodvil_> same result
[20:36] <bogdan> lsmod|egrep '(ath|bcm)'
[20:36] <bogdan> ?
[20:37] <phillw> john_rambo: http://www.abisource.com/help/en-US/interface/menutools.html
[20:37] <silverarrow> hi
[20:37] <wxl> nmap anyone? :D
[20:37] <Guest48840> I have major problems with package manager?
[20:37] <wxl> Guest48840: which one?
[20:37] <bogdan> why? he is not connected to the wireless network
[20:37] <Guest48840> can it be fixed? I am in 11.10
[20:37] <bogdan> how can he use nmap?
[20:38] <Guest48840> package manager crashes, I get no updates in updatemanager
[20:38] <wxl> bogdan: by that same logic, how could he scan?
[20:38] <wxl> i'm sort of thinking it's an issue with the card
[20:38] <bogdan> me too
[20:38] <rodvil_> lsmod|egrep '(ath|bcm)' just gives nothing
[20:38] <wxl> but then he does see other networks
[20:38] <wxl> rodvil_: can you connect to any of those other networks? any open?
[20:39] <rodvil_> rodvil@mini-asus:~$ lsmod|egrep '(ath|bcm)'
[20:39] <rodvil_> rodvil@mini-asus:~$ lsmod|egre^C'(ath|bcm)'
[20:39] <bogdan> sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[20:39] <rodvil_> no open ones
[20:39] <Guest48840> hmm
[20:39] <bogdan> or ifconfig without any other parameters shows wlan0?
[20:39] <Guest48840> how do I identify?
[20:39] <rodvil_> but I usually can connect without problems to other nets
[20:39] <bogdan> Guest48840 try: sudo apt-get install -f (in a terminal)
[20:40] <Guest48840> I was silverlightning a few minutes ago
[20:40] <bogdan> oh
[20:40] <wxl> if it's not a card issue it's a driver issue
[20:40] <rodvil_> rodvil@mini-asus:~$ sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[20:40] <rodvil_> wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[20:40] <bogdan> :)
[20:40] <bogdan> ok
[20:41] <Guest48840> no packages available?
[20:41] <Guest48840> hmm
[20:41] <john_rambo> phillw, I checked, there is no spellings submenu in the tools menu at my end
[20:41] <bogdan> run: gksu jockey-gtk
[20:41] <rodvil_> I feel helpless! :(
[20:41] <Guest48840> I thought there would be loads of updates for 11.10?
[20:42] <bogdan> and tell us what you see
[20:42] <phillw> john_rambo: it may require installing
[20:42] <Guest48840> and package manager crashes on launch
[20:42] <bogdan> Guest48840 try to launch update-manager from a terminal
[20:42] <bogdan> an tell us what error appear there
[20:42] <john_rambo> phillw, I tried ...which package ?
[20:43] <phillw> john_rambo: try http://en.kioskea.net/faq/11811-abiword-enable-grammar-checking
[20:43] <rodvil_> It looks for additional drivers and then I see the broadcom sta wireless driver that is activated
[20:43] <Guest48840> bogan, I did the command you posted in terminal
[20:44] <Guest48840> must have a bad install?
[20:44] <Guest48840> I am booted in lubuntu now
[20:44] <bogdan> what error did appear when the update-manager crashed?
[20:44] <bogdan> rodvil_ it says that the driver is active?
[20:44] <john_rambo> phillw, Thas already selected
[20:44] <Guest48840> a crash report
[20:45] <bogdan> did you upgrade?
[20:45] <Guest48840> I didn't post it, it was already posted
[20:45] <Guest48840> no, i did an install from last fridays daily
[20:45] <bogdan> oh
[20:45] <Guest48840> odd really
[20:45] <Guest48840> not very clever of me
[20:45] <phillw> and, more to the point, which version of 11.10 are you using? At this stage, you should really be on the RC version, not the daily build.
[20:45] <Guest48840> I didn't expect this type of bug
[20:46] <bogdan> rodvil_ try to disable and enable the driver
[20:46] <bogdan> and reboot
[20:46] <Guest48840> phillw: RC?
[20:46] <rodvil_> ok
[20:46] <bogdan> Guest48840: sudo apt-get install -f
[20:46] <Guest48840> ok, where do I find it?
[20:46] <Guest48840> I did that one bogdan
[20:46] <bogdan> or sudo apt-get install aptitude
[20:46] <bogdan> and sudo aptitude install -f
[20:46] <bogdan> i find aptitude to work better
[20:47] <bogdan> or sudo dpkg-reconfigure update-manager
[20:47] <bogdan> or sudo aptitude reinstall update-manager
[20:47] <phillw> Guest48840: Release Client... they are at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/ and all seem to re-building, so be patient :)
[20:47] <bogdan> release candidate you mean
[20:48] <john_rambo> phillw, Done ....installed pacage aspell ..Thanks
[20:48] <Guest48840> thanks phillw
[20:48] <phillw> bogdan: yup... it's been a long few days :P
[20:48] <bogdan> about that, i really need to get some sleep.
[20:49] <bogdan> cheers!
[20:49] <rodvil_> I'm restarting to see if something happened!
[20:49] <rodvil_> thanks for the help so far
[20:50] <Guest48840> phillw: I might be better of installing the final launched version
[20:51] <Guest48840> updates are comming
[20:51] <phillw> Guest48840: allow the RC to settle, they are rebuilding as we speak, once done they will be final release wit a couple of updates.
[20:53] <wxl> aw poo no ppc rc
[20:55] <wxl> no matter the installer's prolly still borked
[20:55] <wxl> i just want to see a 11.10 ppc mini.iso and i'm good
[20:56] <Guest48840> I still have package manager crash, never happened before
[20:57] <phillw> wxl: once the dust settles, the team will throw together a method for ppc
[20:57] <silverlightning> it seems I need to change nick manually, after login
[21:29] <rodvil> I'm back and I still can't connect to my wireless network. just reset the router and reconfigured the whole thing. can't still see my network!
[21:29] <silverlightning> very unusual
[21:30] <KM0201> rodvil: did you see if you could connect w/o any security? (even though i don't think this is a security issue)
[21:30] <rodvil> now there is no security and I still can't see the network
[21:31] <KM0201> rodvil: but you can see others, correct?
[21:31] <rodvil> yes, correct
[21:31] <KM0201> any chance one of them is open?
[21:31] <rodvil> nope all closed
[21:32] <rodvil> I see 19 wireless nets!!!!
[21:32] <KM0201> rodvil: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[21:32] <rodvil> lubuntu 10.04
[21:32] <rodvil> 11.04
[21:32] <rodvil> sorry
[21:32] <KM0201> 32/64?
[21:32] <wxl> rodvil: uname -a
[21:32] <silverlightning> I have had this trouble in Vista, I ended up buying a new router
[21:33] <rodvil> I already tried with another router brand before. I didn't dig so deaply because I thought it was a brand problem
[21:33] <silverlightning> I was continuously disconnected for some weird reason, only on one computer
[21:33] <rodvil> I think it is the internet provider static IP or something
[21:33] <silverlightning> now I have that problem on a mach
[21:34] <wxl> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1424280&page=2 this thread is interesting
[21:34] <rodvil> rodvil@mini-asus:~$ uname -a
[21:34] <rodvil> Linux mini-asus 2.6.38-11-generic #50-Ubuntu SMP Mon Sep 12 21:18:14 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[21:34] <KM0201> rodvil: no... the router handles all that
[21:34] <wxl> one person fixed it by a total reinstall
[21:34] <KM0201> so you're using 32bit.
[21:34] <rodvil> yes.. is there a 64bit lubuntu?
[21:35] <wxl> another removes bcmwl-kernel-source and installs b43-fwcutter and firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
[21:36] <wxl> what driver were you using again?
[21:37] <rodvil> the additional broadcom sta driver
[21:37] <KM0201> wxl: he doesnnt have a lp-phy device, so.. that's pointless
[21:37] <KM0201> as for b43.. it doesn't seem that device is supported by b43..
[21:37] <rodvil> I can connect to other networks, I can connect to the router by cable. it has to be something specific from this specific wireless network!
[21:37] <KM0201> if b43 supports that device, then i would try to manually install it
[21:38] <wxl> yeah just googling here
[21:38] <rodvil> what is b43?
[21:38] <KM0201> rodvil: a driver
[21:38] <wxl> as far as i can tell the sta is the official driver
[21:38] <KM0201> yeah.
[21:39] <KM0201> some devices will work w/ both, but the 4313, is not listed as working w/ the b43.
[21:39] <wxl> have we tried removing and reinstalling the driver? maybe download directly from broadcom
[21:39] <rodvil> I tried before to remove and then reinstall
[21:39] <KM0201> wxl: don't think so... he tried the restricted driver, and he can see networks, so.. in theory, he should be able to see his network
[21:39] <rodvil> didn't reboot in between though
[21:40] <wxl> yeah rebooting is in general a good idea
[21:40] <rodvil> I feel I just found a little tiny blackhole of improbability!
[21:40] <KM0201> rodvil: well, remove driver, reboot, activate driver, and reboot, see what happens
[21:41] <rodvil> I reboot after reinstalling and not between removing and reinstalling
[21:41] <rodvil> ok... going for that one now.
[21:41] <KM0201> rodvil: wel, the fact it is seeing other networks, suggests it is working fine... it's clearly something in your router settings
[21:42] <wxl> there's a patch for >2.6.37
[21:42] <KM0201> (it would seem anyway)
[21:42] <wxl> wonder if it's already applied..
[21:42] <rodvil> KM0201: I also think so
[21:43] <wxl> KM0201: i think it's curious that he's only seeing closed networks. if it were me, i'd go to the library or a coffee shop where i KNOW there's an open network and see what happens
[21:43] <wxl> but i would do that after the remove, reboot, reinstall, rebooot
[21:43] <KM0201> wxl: exactly my thinking
[21:44] <rodvil> I really think there is only close nets here. I usually see open nets without problem
[21:44] <rodvil> rebooting now!
[21:47] <KM0201> wxl: i'm starting to think he's full of it..
[21:47] <wxl> hah
[21:47] <KM0201> or he's not telling us everything (for whatever reason)
[21:47] <wxl> what would be the point to that, though?
[21:47] <wxl> just to fuck with the lubuntu guys?
[21:47] <KM0201> wxl: trolls love to do that
[21:47] <wxl> i mean seriously, who cares?
[21:47] <wxl> yeah i guess
[21:48] <KM0201> well, not just lubuntu, they do it in linux channels all the time, show up w/ some ridiculous problem that *nobody* else has... and 3-4 people spend hours trouble shooting it, then they juts disappear, and never come back.
[21:48] <wxl> huh, weird
[21:48] <silverarrow> never heard of that?
[21:48] <wxl> i tend to come in and out as needed so i guess that's not something i've seen
[21:48] <KM0201> not saying thats definitely the prob... but.. this one sure strikes me as weird
[21:48] <wxl> i hear you
[21:48] <KM0201> how long have you guys been using linux?
[21:49] <KM0201> silverarrow: i know you've not been that long, but.. hang out in the large channels (like #ubuntu) some time.. and you'll see it.
[21:49] <silverarrow> I have been using it on and off for a few years
[21:49] <KM0201> when you have experience, it's easy to spot.
[21:49] <silverarrow> but lately a lot, the last year or so
[21:49] <wxl> it's been a darn long while
[21:50] <KM0201> do you just not hang out in support channels much?
[21:50] <wxl> exactly
[21:50] <silverarrow> I haven't been in irc until fairly recently
[21:50] <KM0201> wel, obviously, that would be a pre-requisite requirement..lol
[21:51] <KM0201> ah, see.. i've been hanging ut on IRC since around fedora 4.
[21:51] <rodvil> im back, didnt work
[21:52] <KM0201> rodvil: what exactly does lspci say (the entire line) about your wireless device..
[21:53] <silverarrow> I registered with silverlightning some time ago, can't remember anymore
[21:56] <rodvil> 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications AR8132 Fast Ethernet (rev c0)
[21:56] <rodvil> 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)
[21:57] <rodvil> KM0201: is this the ones you want
[21:57] <KM0201> yes, thank you
[21:58] <wxl> disappeared. work
[22:00] <KM0201> no
[22:03] <rodvil> any other ideas?
[22:04] <KM0201> rodvil: something isn't right.
[22:04] <KM0201> rodvil: what kind of router do you have?
[22:06] <rodvil> d-link dir-600
[22:11] <wxl> to answer your question, KM0201 i started playing with freebsd around 20 years ago and not too long after that was flirting with redhat and slackware
[22:11] <KM0201> gotcha.
[22:11] <wxl> ah, the frustrating days of rolling your own kernels.. i almost kind of miss it
[22:12] <KM0201> not me
[22:12] <wxl> :)
[22:13] <wxl> *ALMOST*
[22:13] <wxl> i'll be honest, i had a hell of a time getting slackware to work on an old thinkpad
[22:13] <wxl> ubuntu really turned things around for me
[22:14] <wxl> and lubuntu just made it perfect :D
[22:14] <KM0201> yeah, first distro i got to work "100%" was fedora 5.  but i had 3 and 4, working almost 100%
[22:14] <KM0201> so they were acceptable
[22:14] <wxl> back in those days i was using dialup
[22:14] <wxl> went through a lot of trouble to get the modem working
[22:15] <wxl> finally succeeded but no such luck on the sound
[22:15] <wxl> had a bit of a love affair with os x
[22:15] <KM0201> lol
[22:15] <KM0201> those were the days
[22:15] <rodvil> my previous machine was working great for 2 years with different distros. this new one is killing me!
[22:15] <wxl> i'd try a reinstall rodvil
[22:15] <KM0201> rodvil: i'm working on someone elses problem right now, then i'm gonna try to figure your issue out.
[22:16] <KM0201> i still think it's a router setting
[22:16] <wxl> anywho os x just made me pine for freebsd
[22:16] <wxl> i dual-booted our cursed windows desktop with qimo for my daughter
[22:16] <rodvil> I'm heading to bed now. Will you be on around this time tomorrow?
[22:16] <wxl> found myself using it a lot
[22:17] <KM0201> rodvil: probably
[22:17] <KM0201> rodvil: where are you located?
[22:17] <wxl> rodvil: i'd really suggest you go find an open network in a public place and try it out. if it works, you know your problem is the router. if it doesn't, then it's the driver or the card.
[22:18] <rodvil> Im living in Sweden now
[22:19] <rodvil> I never had any trouble connecting to open nets
[22:19] <wxl> the question is do you now
[22:19] <wxl> answer that question clearly
[22:19] <wxl> if you know the answer is yes
[22:19] <wxl> then you know the problem is the router
[22:19] <wxl> in which case you should join #dlink (j/k there's no such channel but suffice it to say #lubuntu ain't the place)
[22:20] <rodvil> the problem is the connection between router and my lubuntu, I would say
[22:20] <wxl> then get an air filter ;)
[22:20] <rodvil> I'll try to connect tomorrow to a new net
[22:20] <KM0201> rodvil: i don't think so at all.
[22:20] <KM0201> rodvil: ok, try to connect to another network tomorrow, and let us know.
[22:21] <rodvil> but if a window pc connects to the router then it cant be a router problem
[22:21] <wxl> #1 rule to trouble shooting-- remove all variables no matter how stupid
[22:21] <wxl> all = as many as possible
[22:22] <rodvil> yes... I agree. I'm just realy frustrated with this one!
[22:22] <wxl> hey dude, i feel ya
[22:22] <wxl> i spent like a week trying to get 11.10 on my powerbook
[22:22] <wxl> i cannot begin to tell you the trouble i went through
[22:22] <wxl> in the end i decided to just wait for a more stable version to come out
[22:23] <wxl> but i think i managed to get some clarity along the way
[22:23] <rodvil> I have trouble with my video because of the new hibrid drive and bumblebee and so, but thats new technology. I kind of understand. But this black hole of nonsense!!!
[22:23] <wxl> i found out what the problem was
[22:23] <rodvil> :)
[22:23] <wxl> anywho, see you tomorrow
[22:23] <rodvil> see you... and thanks
[23:44]  * phillw  please head off to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/ go and hug one.... please?
[23:45] <silverarrow> hi hyperair
[23:49] <hyperair> hi silverarrow
[23:50] <silverarrow> I opened phillw's link
[23:52] <phillw> silverarrow: I do ensure that they are good links & I did tell you to wait for the re-spin to ensure you had the best version,
[23:54] <phillw> hyperair: as you will have seen, lubuntu <> ubuntu core at 11.10, they really did not help themselves on that.
[23:55] <silverarrow> yes, and my trouble was the daily from friday
[23:55] <hyperair> phillw: i dunno, somehow i get the feeling negotiations must have broken down somewhere, because there seems to be quite some bad blood between lubuntu and the irc council.
[23:55] <silverarrow> help themselves ?
[23:56]  * silverarrow fetches ilks for blood cleansing 
[23:56] <hyperair> phillw: on the other hand, i really don't think i'm getting the full picture here.
[23:56] <phillw> hyperair: there is most likely bad blood between me and crr / cww - he is not a council member.
[23:56] <hyperair> anyway, i think i'll talk to elky or someone sometime to get a clear picture on this before replying on that thread.
[23:57] <phillw> hyperair: every time I've had a knock back, I've
[23:57] <hyperair> phillw: speaking from personal experience, you've got a habit of treating things as black-and-white and not accepting anything in between, no offence meant.
[23:58] <hyperair> phillw: which is mainly why i'd like to hear their side of the story first.
[23:58] <phillw> hyperair: indeed. when you are raised in a ghetto, you learn wo to fight for.
[23:59] <hyperair> phillw: there's something called a compromise.
[23:59] <hyperair> phillw: if you force everyone into a me vs you situation, things don't turn out prettily.