[00:00] <jbicha> Q-FUNK: if you're using Unity, just click the network icon and select Edit Connections
[00:00] <jbicha> if you're using GNOME Shell, you'll need to manually run nm-connection-editor
[00:00] <thoeger> Ah, the adventure continues... The users/change user/guest session menu has disappeared from my unity panel now. Is there an easy fix?
[00:01] <Q-FUNK> jbicha: gnome shell, here.  no menu entry for that tool?
[00:01] <jbicha> Q-FUNK: nope, a bit of a regression there
[00:04] <Q-FUNK> jbicha: ok.  good  to know.  thanks!
[00:05] <Q-FUNK> jbicha: actually, using nm-connection-editor doesn't seem to affect the list of connections known by nm-applet in gnome shell. :(
[00:06] <Q-FUNK> jbicha: nm-applet still tries to connect to an AP that it shouldn't, because it thinks this is the one I prefer.
[00:06] <Q-FUNK> jbicha: but thanks for the tip on how to call the connection editor from hidden places anyway :)
[00:10] <andantino> so if i install from the live beta all i need to do is update it and it will upgrade to the official release?
[00:10] <andantino> i mean when the official release comes out
[00:11] <jbicha> !beta
[00:21] <myk_robinson> how can i turn off system sounds in 11.10? there is no option for None as a sound scheme
[00:22] <binni> is anyone else experiencing system hangups/freezing?
[00:23] <myk_robinson> stable for me
[00:23] <l00pb4ck> binni: i am
[00:23] <l00pb4ck> binni: gnome3
[00:25] <binni> l00pb4ck: I need to regularly restart in all (gnome3, unity, classic/fallback, with or without 3D)
[00:25] <binni> so far noticed that it happens allot while using tomboy and gnome shell
[00:26] <l00pb4ck> binni: gnome hangs on me all the time . and only four days till rls :D
[00:26] <l00pb4ck> when i try to search for anything in shell it hangs
[00:26] <l00pb4ck> but background services still run
[00:27] <l00pb4ck> nautilus crashes a lot in gnome3
[00:28] <binni> l00pb4ck: I'm hoping it's just my computer getting old, otherwise I'm a bit concerned for ubuntu.
[00:28] <l00pb4ck> betas have always been alphas for ubuntu
[00:29] <l00pb4ck> from my experience
[00:29] <l00pb4ck> becomes a lot more stable 2 weeks after official rls
[00:34] <binni> froze again.. well at least bug squashing continues after release.
[01:47] <pac1> after installing 11.10 and running update-grub, I get error: unknown LVM metadata header.
[02:03] <robin0800> pac1, think there is something in the release notes about that though not entirely certain
[02:10] <pac1> nothing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview/Beta2
[02:38] <Mike``> hey folks, unity on 11.10 gdm not showing as a service "gdm: unrecognized service" how do I stop X?
[02:39] <sebikul> Mike``, gdmwas dropped, you should use lightdm instead
[02:40] <Mike``> is lightdm a utility or a service?
[02:40] <sebikul> a "sudo service lightdm stop" will stop X
[02:40] <Mike``> so sudo service lightdm stop?
[02:40] <Mike``> gotcha thank you
[02:40] <sebikul> a service, it was used as a replace for gdm
[02:40] <sebikul> no problem ;)
[02:48] <Tohuw> Is there a netbook edition for 11.10... I can't find it at http://releases.ubuntu.com/oneiric/
[02:50] <qin> Tohuw: netbook was merged in Unity
[02:50] <Tohuw> qin: oh... so I just use the desktop install?
[02:51] <qin> Tohuw: Yes
[02:51] <Tohuw> Neat.
[03:05] <MTecknology> ..... /me .. mad
[03:08] <MTecknology> I have [sda|sdb]->raid1->/boot  I have [sdc|sdd|sde|sdf|sdg]->raid6->lvm->{remainder of system}. Is this setup so complicated that the installer can't figure out how to hanndle it?
[03:09] <MTecknology> I know grub supports booting from raid <= 1 ... Isn't the initrd image supposed to hold the remainder of what's required to boot?
[03:10] <MTecknology> My install is failing right when the system is supposed to be mounting things and installing them. I'm seeing a message about bootstrap-base failing.
[03:10] <edgy> Hi, lsof /usr/lib/libpoppler* show okular but ldd okular doesn't show libpoppler, what does this means?
[03:26] <MTecknology> I wonder if I found a bug in bootstrap-base...
[04:02] <Klojum> Is there a key-combination with which I can power down an 11.10 Oneiric machine in the login screen (via the top right corner menu item), that has no mouse connected?
[04:03] <Klojum> I mean, other than going into another console and typing in the shutdown command..?
[04:04] <jbicha> Klojum: try F10 to access the indicator status menus
[04:05] <burntodisc> Hello! I'm running Ubuntu on a PC and trying to install openvpn. The first step of the guide tells me to install openvpn by using "apt-get install openvpn" and so I did. The second step of the guide tells me to "Extract your downloaded configuration files into /home/<USERNAME>/openvpn directory", but there's no such directory to be found. Why? :/
 = your login nick that you use
[04:07] <Klojum> jbicha: Okay thanks, will try that later. Just fully booted up now with another mouse I found. I was curious, because with the 'normal' menu it would be ALT-F1 or so, but that didn't do anything. :-)
[04:08] <JDog2pt0> Wifi hick-up of sorts, was running a torrent client, when I was dropped from my network and unable to connect. Was not a router issue, so I restarted my laptop and now no networks are listed.
[04:12] <zenrox> JDog2pt0, i ran accross that too
[04:13] <JDog2pt0> Find a solution? Or are you still suffering from it. Right now I'm just plugged into my phone
[04:14] <zenrox> i just reinstalled natty
[04:14] <zenrox> have bine looking on launchpad for a similer bug report
[04:14] <JDog2pt0> Thanks
[04:15] <JDog2pt0> Also, not sure if this occurred on Natty, but with headphones in, once I drop the volume below a certain point it cuts out completely.
[04:20] <burntodisc> zenrox: I honestly don't understand where to look.
[04:20] <zenrox> burntodisc, what is the name you use to login to your computer
[04:20] <burntodisc> zenrox: "user"
[04:21] <zenrox> you use user
[04:21] <zenrox> ??
[04:21] <burntodisc> Yes.
[04:21] <zenrox> ok then <username> = user
[04:21] <zenrox> its /home/user/openvpn
[04:22] <burntodisc> zenrox: Do I have to create that directory? I'm not finding it.
[04:22] <zenrox> yes
[04:22] <zenrox> i would assume
[04:22] <burntodisc> zenrox: Let me try the next steps and see what happens.
[04:23] <zenrox> ok
[04:25] <burntodisc> zenrox: "Options error: In [CMD-LINE]:1: Error opening configuration file: /openvpn/anonine.ovpn"
[04:25] <zenrox> somethign else is wrong
[04:25] <zenrox> you dont have /openvpn/anonine.ovpn
[04:26] <burntodisc> zenrox: Hmm...
[04:27] <zenrox> but i dont have a clue as i have never played with openvpn
[04:27] <zenrox> google it
[04:27] <zenrox> you might have some more luck
[04:27] <burntodisc> zenrox: The file "anonine.ovpn" is in "/home/user/openvpn".
[04:29] <zenrox> but its looken in /openvpn
[04:30] <zenrox> what does the instructons say at that point
[04:30] <zenrox> ??
[04:30] <burntodisc> zenrox: https://www.anonine.com/en/guides/openvpn_ubuntu
[04:31] <burntodisc> zenrox: I'm following the steps for "Command-line based start".
[04:31] <zenrox> change $HOME to /home/user/openvpn
[04:32] <zenrox> sudo openvpn --client --config $HOME/openvpn/anonine.ovpn --ca $HOME/openvpn/anonine.ca.crt <this becomes this->sudo openvpn --client --config /home/user/openvpn/anonine.ovpn --ca /home/user/openvpn/anonine.ca.crt
[04:32] <burntodisc> zenrox: Thanks! Let me try!
[04:33] <zenrox> thes $HOME dont work right
[04:33] <jk-> hi all
[04:33] <zenrox> hello
[04:34] <burntodisc> zenrox: I think it worked. Hang on a minute... :>
[04:39] <zenrox> did that work burntodisc
[04:44] <jk-> anyone know how firefox chooses its UI font? it seems to be out of sync with the general gnome settings
[04:44] <jk-> (same with thunderbird)
[04:44] <corrosive23> it should be in the preferences
[04:46] <corrosive23> yeah preferences -> content -> set default font
[04:46] <jk-> corrosive23: this is for the UI (tab titles, etc) not the document content
[04:49] <burntodisc> zenrox: Are you still here?
[04:49] <zenrox> yes
[04:49] <zenrox> did it work
[04:50] <burntodisc> zenrox: Awesome. I didn't get another error, but I had no connection(?) and I'd like to avoid doing all that in Terminal everytime I want to use the VPN connection.
[04:53] <burntodisc> zenrox: Hello?
[04:55] <jk-> woot, thank you askubuntu: http://askubuntu.com/questions/49044/how-to-fix-the-fonts-in-firefox
[05:02] <burntodisc> Any VirtualBox users in here?
[05:08] <zenrox> burntodisc, you could add that to a start up script but i dont know how to do that
[05:08] <zenrox> and i am a virtualbox user
[05:09] <zenrox> but i have to take a shower my wife told me to go do it or else
[05:09] <JDog2pt0> Hm, I suppose I could install wicd and see if that gets my network back online
[05:09] <zenrox> bbl
[05:11] <burntodisc> zenrox: Sorry for not responding. I was reading something else!
[05:12] <vsync_> burntodisc i've used vbox, switched over to vmware though
[05:12] <burntodisc> vsync_: But VirtualBox is free. :>
[05:13] <vsync_> and so is vmware player
[05:15] <burntodisc> vsync_: Ahh... :/
[05:16] <JDog2pt0> Anyone here any good with wireless issues?
[05:17] <urlin2u> JDog2pt0, there are wki's generally if not what is the card?
[05:17] <urlin2u> wiki's
[05:17] <JDog2pt0> Don't need a wiki
[05:18] <JDog2pt0> Seems like a bug, but I'm not sue
[05:18] <JDog2pt0> sure*
[05:18] <urlin2u> JDog2pt0, what's the card is the key usually, sounds like one that usually works?
[05:19] <JDog2pt0> It was working an hour or so ago, and just fine on Natty
[05:19] <JDog2pt0> Gimme a sec to type up what happend
[05:19] <urlin2u> JDog2pt0, broadcom?
[05:19] <JDog2pt0> Yes
[05:20] <urlin2u> JDog2pt0, you need to reload it a upgrade does not carry the drivers
[05:20] <urlin2u> !broadcom
[05:20] <urlin2u> I assume that it is basically the same fir oneiric and that you have upgraded.
[05:21] <urlin2u> for*
[05:21] <tab1293> i just installed gnome-shell but does anyone know how i can get the default gnome 3 theme
[05:21] <JDog2pt0> So it working in oneiric for a few days then suddenly not working will be fixed on that page
[05:23] <urlin2u> JDog2pt0, you described it as working on natty a hour ago.
[05:23] <JDog2pt0> Not much you can do with Gnome atm on Oneiric. For me anyways. 3.2 is pretty bugged up when it comes to themes...
[05:23] <JDog2pt0> No
[05:23] <JDog2pt0> It worked on Oneiric an hour ago
[05:23] <urlin2u> JDog2pt0, not sure then.
[05:23] <JDog2pt0> Thats why I said, give me a minute to type up an explanation :p
[05:24] <JDog2pt0> Running a torrent program and wifi cuts out. Not my router so I reboot the laptop and no networks are listed. Gnome- Nothing Wicd-Nothing. Iwlist in the terminal gives me interface doesn't support scanning
[05:24] <urlin2u> tab1293, I had gnome 3 not showing and used these file changes it is back now. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1856276
[05:26] <tab1293> urlin2u, but does that enable the gnome3 default theme not the ubuntu one?
[05:26] <JDog2pt0> It's not an ugly theme problem is it?
[05:27] <JDog2pt0> http://computerandu.wordpress.com/2011/05/21/how-to-install-gnome-3-on-ubuntu-11-04/
[05:27] <JDog2pt0> Scroll down to "To get rid of the Ugly Themes"
[05:27] <burntodisc> How do I install VirtualBox? I've already asked in #vbox and they won't give me an answer. Please help.
[05:28] <JDog2pt0> burntodisc, what files do you have to work with?
[05:28] <burntodisc> JDog2pt0: I have no files since I don't know where to start.
[05:28] <JDog2pt0> Ah lol
[05:29] <JDog2pt0> burntodisc, well I'm on their download page, but they don't have anything for oneiric yet
[05:29] <JDog2pt0> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
[05:29] <burntodisc> So 11.04 won't work?
[05:29] <JDog2pt0> I don't see why the natty deb wouldn't work though
[05:29] <JDog2pt0> Give it a shot
[05:30] <burntodisc> So I download the .deb from there and then?
[05:30] <JDog2pt0> Double click it, should bring up the software center
[05:30] <burntodisc> JDog2pt0: And that is the ONLY file I need to download from there?
[05:30] <JDog2pt0> Mmhmm
[05:30] <JDog2pt0> As far as I know anyways
[05:31] <JDog2pt0> a .deb is similar to an .exe
[05:31] <vsync_> not
[05:31] <JDog2pt0> When referring to installers
[05:31] <JDog2pt0> Similar enough for his needs
[05:31] <burntodisc> vsync_: Give me a second opinion. Do you think I should try to install the .deb for 11.04?
[05:32] <JDog2pt0> It isn't going to mess up your machine man...
[05:32] <JDog2pt0> At most, it won't work
[05:32] <burntodisc> JDog2pt0: Let me try it then... :>
[05:36] <burntodisc> JDog2pt0: It worked!
[05:36] <burntodisc> Thanks!
[05:36] <JDog2pt0> Kinda thought it would >.>
[05:36] <JDog2pt0> Np
[05:36] <JDog2pt0> Does anyone else have trouble loading the forum archive on the ubuntu pages?
[05:37] <burntodisc> What's the URL? :>
[05:37] <JDog2pt0> Any of them, but heres on for example
[05:37] <JDog2pt0> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fubuntuforums.org%2Farchive%2Findex.php%2Ft-315209.html&rct=j&q=iwlist%20interface%20doesn%27t%20support%20scanning&ei=EISSTuDuJoa2tgfw5fSNDA&usg=AFQjCNFVCAmNTecM1aZXz01IoXmvM_3HIQ&cad=rja
[05:38] <JDog2pt0> All I get, and all I've ever gotten are a white page
[05:38] <burntodisc> JDog2pt0: Not loading for me.
[05:38] <burntodisc> Yes, same here.
[05:38] <JDog2pt0> Hm, alright then, thanks
[05:38] <burntodisc> I'm glad I could give something back. :>
[05:39] <JDog2pt0> This is actually my first time on the IRC
[05:40] <JDog2pt0> Expected more traffic to be honest
[05:42] <burntodisc> JDog2pt0: Me too.
[05:43] <dr_willis> hmmm
[05:43] <zenrox> ok i smell better
[05:45] <JDog2pt0> Cool story brah...
[05:45] <JDog2pt0> Zenrox, you traffic the Ubuntu forums a lot?
[05:45] <zenrox> yes
[05:45] <JDog2pt0> You know why the archive pages don't load?
[05:45] <zenrox> i have bine on the forums since the very begging
[05:46] <JDog2pt0> Not sure what bine is
[05:46] <zenrox> cant spell
[05:47] <JDog2pt0> What?
[05:47] <zenrox> no idea why  archive pages load
[05:47] <davidius> Is there anyone here who did not already see my question in #ubuntu?
[05:47] <JDog2pt0> Me
[05:48] <JDog2pt0> The archive pages don't load for me, at least when linking through google
[05:48] <zenrox> that probly has something to do with google
[05:48] <davidius> Before I buy one of these: http://www.digitalnow.com.au/product_pages/Quad.html
[05:49] <davidius> ....I'd like to know whether the necessary drivers have been made part of the apt "tree"???? with oneiric ???
[05:49] <JDog2pt0> Zenrox, yeah but even when it's just the archive url in my browser and I hit refresh, the page still refuses to load
[05:49] <davidius> (ie if it won't work "out of the box" I don't really want one as yet.....)
[05:50] <JDog2pt0> davidius, Not sure man. It would take some looking and reading
[05:50] <zenrox> hmm JDog2pt0 instering
[05:50] <JDog2pt0> davidius, Read here? http://forums.dvbowners.com/index.php?showtopic=11978
[05:51] <zenrox> i just showed him that
[05:51] <zenrox> lol
[05:51] <burntodisc> I just tried to install Adobe Flash plugin from Ubuntu Software Center and it failed.
[05:51] <tar-gz> Hi. How polonize 2d unity in ubuntu 11.10? I like to set the locale? Locale.gen somewhere?
[05:51] <burntodisc> What do I do now?
[05:51] <JDog2pt0> Wtf. Now the pages are loading
[05:51] <JDog2pt0> Hey burntodisc, give me a sec man
[05:51] <burntodisc> JDog2pt0: Thanks!
[05:52] <JDog2pt0> Did it give you an error?
[05:52] <burntodisc> Yes, do you want me to try again and tell you what it says?
[05:52] <zenrox> why did it fail
[05:52] <zenrox> burntodisc, try using synaptic
[05:52] <JDog2pt0> Yes
[05:53] <davidius> Already seen that. It does not answer my question: Will I still need to manually compile/install with ****11.10****** ??
[05:53] <JDog2pt0> burntodisc, if you don't know what/how to work synaptic i'll help you out
[05:53] <burntodisc> JDog2pt0: zenrox: Package operation failed. The installation or removal of a software package failed.
[05:53] <JDog2pt0> burntodisc, do you have previous flash software installed?
[05:54] <burntodisc> No, I installed Ubuntu last night.
[05:54] <zenrox> burntodisc, open synaptic and search for flash and try to install it
[05:54] <JDog2pt0> search adobe-flashplugin
[05:54] <burntodisc> zenrox: I'm not sure how to do that. New to Linux. :/
[05:54] <JDog2pt0> burntodisc thought so
[05:54] <zenrox> its under the system menu
[05:54] <JDog2pt0> He's using Gnome
[05:55] <zenrox> ahh
[05:55] <JDog2pt0> search synaptic
[06:07] <tab1293> i am using gnome-tweak-tool to try to change the gnome-shell theme but it has a caution triangle next to the drop box and it wont let me change it
[06:07] <JDog2pt0> 3.2 is broken
[06:07] <th_> tab1293: you need to install user themes extension
[06:08] <th_> tab1293: see here: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/official-gnome-shell-extensions.html
[06:08] <th_> it isn't unfortunately in the official repos
[06:08] <JDog2pt0> 3.2 is still broken even with that
[06:09] <JDog2pt0> User Theme Extensions don't work properly with Gnome 3.2
[06:12] <th_> that works just fine
[06:18] <tab1293> th_, i just installed that and im still not able to select themes
[06:19] <th_> tab1293: yes, it's a bit tricky, you need to enable it first
[06:19] <tab1293> how do you enable it
[06:19] <tab1293> i didnt see instructions other then installing it on that site
[06:20] <th_> after you install it, restart gnome tweak tool
[06:20] <th_> see shell extensions
[06:20] <th_> click it enabled
[06:20] <th_> restart that crap again =P
[06:20] <th_> now you should be able to select theem
[06:20] <th_> theme
[06:21] <JDog2pt0> My themes haven't been working, so I've been stuck with default
[06:21] <tab1293> th_, ok thanks its working now
[06:21] <th_> tab1293: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/10/looking-for-a-beautiful-gnome-shell-theme-try-nord
[06:21] <th_> :)
[06:22] <th_> altho, you also need to disabel that 'use file manager as desktop' from tweak tool or disable global menu or that theme gets messed up a bit
[06:24] <ali1234> yet another theme obsessed with making everything transparent
[06:24] <th_> transparency is the hip thing of today
[06:24] <Chotaz> ^
[06:25] <ali1234> what i want to know, is when is someone going to make a good gtk3 theme?
[06:25] <ali1234> looks like gnome-shell falls into the same trap as plasma, where it needs totally different themes to everything else on the system, and thus nothing ever quite matches
[06:25] <th_> unity+ambience <3 =P
[06:26] <ali1234> yeah, ambience is total garbage
[06:26] <ali1234> impossible to tell which window has focus
[06:26] <ali1234> buttons are too small and in the wrong place
[06:26] <tab1293> th_, im putting the folder in /usr/share/gnome-shell/theme but its still not coming up in the tweak tool
[06:26] <ali1234> and the widgets look cold due to the blue tint
[06:27] <JDog2pt0> tab, make sure user theme extensions are enabled
[06:28] <th_> tab1293: put them to ~/.themes
[06:28] <tab1293> th_, i tried both
[06:28] <tab1293> and JDog2pt0 it says ints enabled in tweak tool
[06:28] <th_> probably need to restart tweak tool after every change
[06:28] <JDog2pt0> Alright
[06:28] <th_> it sucks arse
[06:29] <tab1293> i have restarted it
[06:29] <JDog2pt0> Gnome 3.2 is bugged with it comes to all that stuff
[06:29] <th_> installing themes just went 10 years back with gnome3 tbh
[06:29] <JDog2pt0> No, gnome 3.2
[06:29] <th_> gnome2 = drag the theme into the theme dialog... sooo easy
[06:29] <JDog2pt0> On Natty, that stuff worked fine
[06:32] <tab1293> i dont get why it wont work
[06:32] <JDog2pt0> *facepalm* Gnome 3.2 is broken
[06:32] <JDog2pt0> That's why
[06:32] <th_> hm.. worked fine for me, tested gnome-shell + that noid theme yesterday..
[06:33] <JDog2pt0> You must be one of the lucky ones then
[06:33] <th_> nah i'm not using gnome-shell anyway, it messes up all other opengl apps
[06:33] <th_> and i need my games tyvm
[06:33] <JDog2pt0> Now I'm confuseed
[07:06] <hakermania> Hey, will the sni-qt package convert all Qt tray icons to indicators?
[07:40] <GirlyGirl> On my kubuntu oneric beta2 system, if I just update packages when the final is out, will I end up with a clone of a similar system to a fresh install or is a reinstall recommended?
[07:42] <burntodisc> GirlyGirl: I asked the same question a couple of days ago. Some people told me to reinstall and some people told me to "just update".
[07:43] <vlt> Hello. In "System Settings" I tried to open the "Language Support" dialog. It pops up for a moment and closes again. Too short to read anything. What could cause this?
[07:46] <hakermania> vlt, a crash?
[07:47] <vlt> hakermania: How to check?
[07:47] <vlt> hakermania: (Maybe there are just some permissions missing.)
[07:47] <hakermania> vlt, give me a sec
[07:49] <hakermania> vlt, run 'gnome-language-selector' through a terminal and see any errors.
[08:02] <GirlyGirl> burntodisc: In theroy according to me it should be the same thing ... after all there are people who will upgrade from natty and that has more differneces
[08:12] <vlt> hakermania: From terminal it works.
[08:13] <hakermania> vlt, weirdy
[08:13] <hakermania> Don't know :)
[08:49] <vlt> Hello. How does two-finger scrolling work? Does my touchpad have to support it?
[08:51] <jk-> vlt: yes, your touchpad needs to support it.
[08:51] <vlt> jk-: Ok, thank you.
[08:55] <vlt> What IM client is installed by default (with pkg ubuntu-desktop)?
[08:58] <jk-> vlt: empathy
[09:36] <graft> so, i am unable to push stuff to github (via ssh), because of "Write failed: broken pipe". I feel certain some ssh weirdness is to blame. any idea how to chase this down?
[09:42] <rdewit_> hi, anybody any idea what happened to gnome-power-preferences? It seems to be gone and I'd like to remove the setting that dims my screen after 10 seconds.
[09:45] <GirlyGirl> rdewit_: Gnome3 has a different package set so it must be there under something else
[09:45] <GirlyGirl> rdewit_: if screen dimming works its definitely there
[09:46] <rdewit_> GirlyGirl: I'm using unity, but that seems to use some gnome packages. Screen dimming works, yes, but can't find the documentation that tells how to control it now.
[09:47] <GirlyGirl> rdewit_: Unity is just a replacement for gnome-shell ... apps in 11.10 ar gnome 3
[09:47] <Stanley00> rdewit_: đi you try finding in control center? it's there, in either display, screen or power...
[09:49] <rdewit_> Stanley00: you were right, it's in 'Screen'!
[09:49] <Stanley00> rdewit_: :)
[09:49] <rdewit_> A bit confusing those split settings
[09:49] <rdewit_> thanks both!
[10:03] <thoeger> bjsnider, see you're in the channel again... Just in case you were interested, I got my issue from yesterday narrowed down a lot more now
[10:05] <thoeger> bjsnider,  It seems it wasn't a compiz issue, it was a dconf issue. At least, copying my folders from my config-backup folder back into ~/.config and then removing one by one (selectively, of course) revealed that the ~/.config/dconf/ folder was the cuĺprit.
[10:13] <thoeger> Hey folks, I have a number of issues with my Oneiric upgrade - one is that the user switcher menu has disappeared from the unity panel. Any simple way to get it back?
[10:19] <jk-> thoeger: try running: /usr/lib/indicator-session/indicator-session-service
[10:31] <thoeger> jk-, gives some feedback, want me to pastebin it?
[10:32] <jk-> thoeger: no, just checking that the indicator is installed
[10:32] <jk-> (and that running that doesn't fix the problem)
[10:32] <jk-> however, there may be interesting stuff in the output
[10:32] <thoeger> ok
[10:32] <jk-> so, couldn't hurt to paste it :)
[10:32] <thoeger> Yeah, I just don't know what to look for...?
[10:33] <jk-> yeah, this is outside my area
[10:33] <Guest86315> Hi, I'm having issues with my ubuntu (oneiric) lock screen with dual monitors. It is somehow messed up, has anyone had experience with this?
[10:36] <sajimon> hello thar, since everything is frozen in oneiric any, how do You think is it quite safe to do dist-upgrade right now?
[10:37] <thoeger> jk-, indicator-session-service, that's nopt the same as the user switcher indicator is it?
[10:40] <thoeger> jk-, because the power button cog" is there just fine, showing logoff etc options as expected. But no user switcher. Is that the same indicator?
[10:40] <jk-> thoeger: ah, ok
[10:41] <thoeger> could it be related to the fact that the users and groups settings crash when I try opening them, and that guest session and my wife's account both are deaactivated in GDM/LightDM?
[10:41] <jk-> thoeger: I have: indicator-application-service indicator-session-service indicator-sound-service indicator-messages-service indicator-datetime-service
[10:42] <jk-> (`ps uxf | grep indicator`)
[10:43] <thoeger> Same here
[10:43] <thoeger> I guess it's down to users and groups somehow being borked
[10:46] <thoeger> Is there a CLI to open the Users and Groups settings panel? I'm not talkgin about CLI user admin tools, but a command to open the system settings' Users & Groups panel, so I can maybe get some feedback on why it's crashing...
[10:53] <Stanley00> thoeger: is this it? gnome-control-center user-accounts
[10:54] <thoeger> Stanley00, thanks! It just gives me a segfault, core dumped message though
[10:55] <Stanley00> thoeger: try add -v switch to that command, hope that help
[10:56] <thoeger> Stanley00, thx... But it only finds one user. What happened to my wife's account? (the home folder is still there). Also what happened to the guest session option? Where can I see that/possibly fix it?
[10:58] <Stanley00> thoeger: sorry, that's out of my ability...
[11:09] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:11] <raindrops> This exact same system (no hardware changes at all) was quiet and stable when running Windows XP. I switched to Ubuntu less than two days ago and ever since it has felt as if the system is stressed, anxious and uneven. What could be the cause?
[11:15] <BluesKaj> raindrops, 11.10 ? if so one must remember it is a beta release , not all apps are rerady for prime time ..XP eh, how old is your pc ?
[11:15] <raindrops> BluesKaj: 11.10 Daily Build.
[11:16] <BluesKaj> exactly
[11:17] <raindrops> So you think that's it?
[11:19] <BluesKaj> raindrops, you may have some hardware/driver issues and or power management , suggest you look inti that.
[11:20] <raindrops> Obviously not since Windows XP was doing just fine? :/
[11:21] <BluesKaj> XP has nothing to do with ubuntu power management and drivers
[11:23] <raindrops> I missunderstood what you said.
[11:29] <thoeger> jk-, Turned out that when I re-added my wife's account with useradd, the choices popped up. I don't understand, though, why the guest session option has gone?
[11:39] <thoeger> Hey folks, is there a CLI command to add additional info about a user - like, full name etc. Can't seem to find any in man pages of adduser|useradd|usermod, but I might be blind...
[11:42] <rbasak> thoeger: chfn
[11:42] <thoeger> rbasak, thanks!!
[11:45] <thoeger> rbasak, worked a charm, thanks... Next, is there a way to restore the ubuntu Guest Session option to the users menu?
[11:48] <thoeger> Also, I'm a little bit suspicious... Has there really been no updates the last ~30 hours? That doesn't seem usual at this point of a release cycle.
[11:53] <Ian_> thoeger: check the state of your mirror
[11:53] <thoeger> Ian_, that could be... How do I check that?
[11:58] <Ian_> it's on launchpad
[11:58] <BluesKaj> thoeger, there's a large update in the pipe , came down for me about an hr ago when I ran an update
[11:58] <Ian_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[12:01] <thoeger> BluesKaj, thanks. Maybe the mirror might just be slow...
[12:02] <thoeger> Ian_, thanks I'll check that
[12:02] <thoeger> Everyone is very helpful and I'm learning a lot, thanks!
[12:04] <BluesKaj> thoeger, just check your server in package management
[12:05] <Ian_> BluesKaj: how does that let him know whether his server is uptodate?
[12:06] <BluesKaj> Ian_, how can you tell that any server is up to date?  you check it
[12:07] <Ian_> yes, but the launchpad list shows how uptodate all servers are :)
[12:09] <BluesKaj> wel Ian_ if you know how , then share it with us , I'm sure the info would be appreciated :)
[12:12] <Ian_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[12:13] <thoeger> BluesKaj, Ian_  just did share that.
[12:13] <Ian_> has a list with all mirrors
[12:13] <Ian_> :p
[12:13] <thoeger> exactly... Beat me to it by a second...
[12:13] <thoeger> However, in Software center / software sources it just says "server for denmark, server for america" etc... Really is that it? There are several mirrors in each country... How to set/edit/see mirrors?
[12:14] <BluesKaj> having to check launchpad to see which servers are "uptodate" shouldn't be necessary , the main servers in most countries are usually up to date with in minutes of each other
[12:14] <ali1234> the UK one isn't
[12:15] <ali1234> that list has the canonical Uk mirror as "archive.ubuntu.com"
[12:15] <ali1234> so what is archive.uk.ubuntu.com?
[12:16] <ali1234> jpds_: ?
[12:16] <Ian_> that should be the mirror :o
[12:16] <ali1234> also how can archive.ubuntu.com be 1 day behind? where are the other mirrors mirroring from?
[12:16] <popey> a hidden one?
[12:16] <Ian_> no
[12:17] <Ian_> they sync from archive.u.c
[12:17] <ali1234> then, is that entry simply a mistake and it means archive.uk.ubuntu.com?
[12:17] <Ian_> but ali1234 canonical is a UK company
[12:17] <Ian_> so maybe it's the same?
[12:17] <ali1234> that doesn't explain either of my questions
[12:17] <ali1234> it most certainly *isn't* the same
[12:18] <ali1234> a.uk.u.c is typically 1 day behind a.u.c
[12:18] <popey> archive.uk.ubuntu.com does not exist, try again
[12:18] <ali1234> i know this from experience using it :)
[12:18] <ali1234> maybe it's uk.archive.ubuntu.com?
[12:18] <popey> it is
[12:18] <ali1234> or gb?
[12:18] <popey> either
[12:18] <popey> they point to the same IP
[12:19] <ali1234> gb and uk do
[12:19] <popey> iirc a.u.c has round robin, and is lots of machines
[12:19] <popey> not one
[12:19] <BluesKaj> then use a US or Canadian server/mirror ...it's pointless to argue about it
[12:19] <ali1234> nope
[12:19] <popey> yes
[12:19] <ali1234> i'm not arguing
[12:20] <ali1234> i want to know how the canonical (literally) mirror can be behind the others :)
[12:20] <popey> sorry, misdirected "yes" there ☺
[12:20] <popey> there's more than one of them ali1234
[12:20] <popey> perhaps lp mirrors page points to one
[12:20] <popey> alan@bishop:~$ host archive.ubuntu.com | wc -l
[12:20] <popey> 7
[12:20] <popey> of the 7
[12:21] <popey> also, there isnt a us mirror
[12:21] <popey> us.a.u.c points to the gb one
[12:21] <ali1234> no, it points to u.a.c
[12:21] <ali1234> gb.u.a.c is totally different
[12:21] <popey> sorry, yes
[12:22] <ali1234> well my only point is that that lp list does not seem to match up with reality :)
[12:22] <ali1234> i already switched from gb to archive because gb is always 1 day behind
[12:26] <BluesKaj> I stick with the Canadian servers or the US if I think there's a bottleneck
[12:27] <moredrops> What's going on with my font settings? http://f.imgtmp.com/Dbeo7.png
[12:27] <moredrops> Why does the font look like that? All uneven and just weird...
[12:28] <ali1234> what do you mean? it looks fine to me
[12:29] <ali1234> "tc" is a bit off i suppose
[12:29] <popey> BluesKaj: the canadian host ca.archive.ubuntu.com points to the exact same boxes as US.
[12:29] <ali1234> and "ok"
[12:30] <moredrops> ali1234: You must be able to tell what I'm talking about.
[12:30] <ali1234> give me a clue?
[12:30] <BluesKaj> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[12:31] <moredrops> ali1234: It's far from smooth.
[12:31] <ali1234> what is?
[12:31] <popey> BluesKaj: http://paste.ubuntu.com/705370/
[12:31] <moredrops> ali1234: All text.
[12:31] <ali1234> can you like draw an arrow on the problem or something?
[12:31] <ali1234> or find a picture of what you think it is supposed to look like?
[12:31] <BluesKaj> popey, it doesn't matter about what mirrors they point to , if the mirror you're using is bottlenecked then go directly to a faster one , that's my point
[12:32] <moredrops> Am I imagining things?
[12:32] <ali1234> possibly
[12:32] <popey> BluesKaj: sure, just pointing out that switching from canadian to US servers is somewhat pointless
[12:32] <ali1234> maybe your monitor/graphics card has problems?
[12:32] <ali1234> maybe you are just used to a different hinting setting
[12:33] <moredrops> BluesKaj: popey: Does the text in this screenshot look smooth to you guys?
[12:33] <popey> I couldn't see the problem moredrops
[12:33] <ali1234> what does "smooth" text look like?
[12:33] <ali1234> are you talking about spacing between letters, or the latter shapes, or what?
[12:34] <ali1234> ah, perhaps you have the wrong RGB subpixel mode selected?
[12:34] <BluesKaj> popey, have you tried it ? because I have and it 's not pointless at all , but if you insist on it being pointless , then it's no point :)
[12:34] <moredrops> You are obviously not seeing what I'm seeing.
[12:34] <ali1234> obviously :)
[12:34] <ali1234> can you take a photo of the screen or something?
[12:35] <ali1234> i suspect wrong subpixel mode... it would explain why only you see it
[12:35] <ali1234> and it would make the text look weird
[12:36] <moredrops> I don't understand how a screenshot fail to capture what I see over here.
[12:36] <moredrops> ali1234: Tell me more, please.
[12:36] <ali1234> if you have a BGR monitor that image will look bad to you but fine for anyone with a RGB monitor
[12:36] <ali1234> RGB being the default and the most common type of monitor
[12:36] <moredrops> I have a modern HDTV as a display.
[12:37] <ali1234> and it would cause weird fringes on the left and right side of the characters
[12:37] <moredrops> That can't possibly be it then...
[12:37] <ali1234> so like i said, try to take a photo of the screen
[12:37] <ali1234> macro mode, try to capture as much detail as possible
[12:37] <ali1234> close in
[12:37] <moredrops> ali1234: I wish I had a camera.
[12:37] <Ian_> no phone?
[12:38] <moredrops> I have an old phone.
[12:38] <ali1234> btw how do we adjust the subpixel settings now? it's been removed from the control panel?
[12:38] <Ian_> maybe you can draw your screen, scan the drawing? :
[12:38] <Ian_> :p
[12:38] <patdk-wk> hehe :)(
[12:39] <ali1234> good explanation: http://www.grc.com/ctwhat.htm
[12:41] <moredrops> I prefer a solution instead of an explanation. :p
[12:41] <moredrops> Seriously, this is driving me nuts.
[12:41] <ali1234> well we can't give a solution if we don't know the problem
[12:41] <moredrops> You're probably right about what you said earlier.
[12:41] <moredrops> The sub-pixel stuff.
[12:42] <ali1234> well the bad news is i don't know how to fix that in oneiric... yet
[12:42] <ali1234> but i will find out... give me a minute or two
[12:43] <moredrops> Thanks.
[12:43] <ali1234> actually it could also be that your TV doesn't support full HD?
[12:44] <ali1234> and so it is downscaling it
[12:44] <BluesKaj> moredrops, if you are using a large monitor like a tv then set your dpi to 120 and enable antiailasing
[12:44] <ali1234> that will mess up the picture
[12:44] <ali1234> moredrops: if you take your screenshot, zoom 1:1, and rotate 180 degrees, does it help at all?
[12:45] <moredrops> Hold on.
[12:45] <ali1234> also what exact model of TV are you using?
[12:46] <ali1234> do you see this effect on the SHOUTcast logo? (which is an image, not text)
[12:46] <moredrops> Yes.
[12:46] <ali1234> ok it's not subpixel rendering issue then
[12:46] <moredrops> LG42LD550
[12:46] <ali1234> 42"?
[12:46] <BluesKaj> moredrops, I'm using a 42" Panasonic Plasma HDTV and that image you posted looks good here
[12:46] <ali1234> are you using VGA connection?
[12:47] <moredrops> BluesKaj: Argh!
[12:47] <moredrops> ali1234: DVI-HDMI
[12:47] <ali1234> what video card?
[12:47] <BluesKaj> same as me
[12:47] <moredrops> Not sure what video card.
[12:47] <moredrops> The PC is a couple of years old.
[12:48] <vsync_> lspci go
[12:49] <BluesKaj> moredrops, lspci | grep VGA
[12:50] <moredrops> Radeon HD 4850
[12:50] <moredrops> ali1234: BluesKaj: Radeon HD 4850
[12:50] <ali1234> hmmmm
[12:51] <BluesKaj> moredrops, that card is fine ..what resolution do you have it set
[12:51] <moredrops> BluesKaj: 1920x1080 (16:9)
[12:52] <BluesKaj> ok moredrops , do you have the DPI at 120 and ant-aliasing enabled ?
[12:52] <moredrops> BluesKaj: I wish I could find those settings.
[12:52] <ali1234> that would show up in screenshots
[12:53] <ali1234> also gnome doesn't have those settings any more
[12:53] <BluesKaj> I'm on kde so not sure what the windows application settring equivalent is on gnome , but on kde it's where you set your fonts
[12:53] <ali1234> you can't set fonts on gnome
[12:53] <ali1234> maybe with that gnome-tweak-tool thing
[12:53] <BluesKaj> luvly
[12:53] <ali1234> i keep hearing about that
[12:54] <moredrops> I have that installed.
[12:54] <ali1234> KDE font settings make me lol
[12:54] <moredrops> Hmm...
[12:54] <ali1234> installing it
[12:54] <moredrops> I found "Antialiasing".
[12:54]  * BluesKaj shrugs ..they're configurable
[12:55] <moredrops> Grayscale, None, Rgba.
[12:55] <ali1234> BluesKaj: yeah but they never look the same way twice... and half KDE software ignores it anyway
[12:56] <moredrops> BluesKaj: React to what I just said.
[12:56] <ali1234> it's nothing to do with DPI settings anyway
[12:56] <ali1234> you can try changing the hinting and the antialiasing to see what it does
[12:56] <BluesKaj> ali1234, yeah sure ...I can tell you drank the gnome koolade so i won't bother with that remark
[12:56] <ali1234> but i don't think it is going to help
[12:57] <BluesKaj> ali1234, do you use a a large monitor ?
[12:57] <ali1234> sure
[12:57] <BluesKaj> it makes a difference here
[12:57] <ali1234> that doesn't mean i want all my windows to have a 1cm wide glowing border
[12:57] <Senix> When exactly is ubuntu 11.10 out?
[12:57] <patdk-wk> oct 2011
[12:57] <jasef> 13th, I think
[12:58] <Senix> I see
[12:58] <BluesKaj> thursday
[12:58] <Ian_> Very close now
[12:58] <moredrops> Have you guys given up on me now? :<
[12:58] <jasef> I'm very impatient for it lol.
[12:58] <ali1234> moredrops: i'm not sure what else to check
[12:58] <Ian_> and I still don't have a working fglrx
[12:58] <ali1234> i need to see it really, to know what is wrong
[12:58] <ali1234> or you have to draw a picture or something
[12:59] <ali1234> or just describe it better
[12:59] <Senix> well, I've been using 11.04 with some success, so I'm very excited about 11.10
[12:59] <BluesKaj> moredrops, I'm taking a break from the suggestion box and I'l let the "self appointed experts" help you
[12:59]  * Senix hopes it will support my hardware
[12:59] <ali1234> moredrops: have you tried with other OS? or other monitors?
[12:59] <ali1234> lol, KDE user got offended ^
[13:00] <moredrops> ali1234: It looks as if someone dropped pixel paint all over the text.
[13:00] <Senix> moredrops: screen shot?
[13:00] <BluesKaj> wel ali1234 , can you help or just troll
[13:00] <xuser1> hi
[13:00] <RoDiMuS-X> 3 more days for the final release I am hyped
[13:01] <moredrops> Senix: Apparently you can only see it with my eyes.
[13:01] <jasef> moredrops, take a photo with your phone or something if it's something that doesn't show up on a screenshot O-o.
[13:01] <xuser1> today is 10.10 but where's ubuntu 11.10?
[13:01] <RoDiMuS-X> xuser, 10/13 is release date
[13:01] <xuser1> :)
[13:01] <moredrops> jasef: I...have...an...old...phone... :/
[13:01] <Senix> moredrops: if it won't show up on the screen shot then it's your monitor
[13:01] <jasef> moredrops, D: Can't it take even VGA pictures? :(
[13:02] <Ian_> get some1 else's camera? :)
[13:02] <moredrops> Senix: Duh. :>
[13:02] <BluesKaj> taking a pic with phone?
[13:02] <moredrops> jasef: No. :<
[13:02] <jasef> Lol RoDiMuS-X to everyone outside the US that looks like 10th day of the 13th month.
[13:03] <RoDiMuS-X> 13/10
[13:03] <RoDiMuS-X> lol
[13:03] <Senix> moredrops: problem solved, check hardware connections and then make sure you don't have broken pins, if all that's right and that still happens, go buy a new monitor.
[13:03] <RoDiMuS-X> sorry about that jasef
[13:03] <jasef> moredrops, D: If you were nearby I'd say I'd come over and take it with mine lol but... 99.999999% of people I've ever seen on IRC live nowhere near me.
[13:03] <xuser1> anyway. will 11.10 have gnome?
[13:03] <moredrops> Senix: You're a funny guy.
[13:03] <jasef> ...freaking thing parted, no idea how
[13:04] <Senix> moredrops: no I'm completely serious
[13:04] <RoDiMuS-X> xuser: yes you can install Gnome-Shell
[13:04] <jasef> RoDiMuS-X, no worries about the date :P was just saying.
[13:04] <graingert> heya
[13:04] <ali1234> moredrops: is this problem specific to oneiric? when did it start happening
[13:04] <pdq> on 11.10 but hasn't been any updates available in the last 24 hours, seems strange :P
[13:04] <BluesKaj> moredrops, I don't really see the problem with that screenshot you posted ...what exactly is wrong anyway ?
[13:04] <xuser1> but will be gnome installed by default?
[13:04] <moredrops> ali1234: I switched from Windows XP to Ubuntu two days ago.
[13:04] <RoDiMuS-X> xuser1: Unity still relies on the Gnome Libraries so Gnome3 is installed
[13:05] <moredrops> ali1234: When it had Windows XP it was never connected to this monitor.
[13:05] <iceroot> xuser1: yes but without gnome-shell
[13:05] <xuser1> is unity based on gnome ?
[13:05] <ali1234> moredrops: do you still have windows install? can you boot it up, and then look at your own screenshot, to check if you still see the problem?
[13:05] <iceroot> xuser1: in 11.10 yes
[13:05] <moredrops> ali1234: No, Ubuntu only right now.
[13:05] <xuser1> i dont like unity
[13:05] <RoDiMuS-X> xuser1: yes unity is based on gnome
[13:05] <xuser1> and gnome3
[13:05] <ali1234> moredrops: did you try changing the hinting?
[13:05] <graingert> RoDiMuS-X: unity is based on compiz
[13:06] <ali1234> windows uses rather different hinting to ubuntu, that could be what you see
[13:06] <iceroot> graingert: in 11.04
[13:06] <Senix> xuser1: KDE then, don't complain about things that won't change
[13:06] <graingert> iceroot: yep
[13:06] <RoDiMuS-X> graingert: compiz is the windows manager, Unity still uses Gnome3 Libraries
[13:06] <graingert> unity is a compiz plugin
[13:06] <xuser1> xfce or lxde or gnome 2
[13:06] <graingert> it might use dbus etc
[13:06] <iceroot> xuser1: gnome2 is no longer supported
[13:07] <jasef> xuser1, when Oneiric is installed, just type 'sudo apt-get install gnome-shell' in a terminal and the Gnome3 session will be available.
[13:07] <lehjr> looks like Gnome 3 requires FirewallD to be running in order to add a network printer through the control panel, which would be great and all of it wasn't Fedora specific
[13:07] <Senix> ^ this
[13:07] <graingert> RoDiMuS-X: compiz is the window manager/composting manager
[13:08] <xuser1> OR gnome 3 modified like this http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/extra/LINUX/large/opensuse121beta1-large_002.jpg
[13:08] <graingert> you should be able to use unity wherever you can use compiz
[13:09] <Senix> xuser1: good luck on that mod, if with any success send me a tut on it
[13:11] <xuser1> anyway chosing another desktop enviroment (gui) need use other aplications . so kde use different app than gnome
[13:11] <jasef> Actually, no.
[13:11] <jasef> I use KDE apps on gnome.
[13:11] <jasef> You just need to install the libraries
[13:12] <xuser1> yes but need install a lot of kde libs
[13:12] <BluesKaj> moredrops, a suggestion , check your tv format settings ...make sure they are set to normal for hdtv
[13:13] <jasef> xuser1, I don't see the problem with that - unless you have a very slow Internet connection or a very small hard drive
[13:13] <xuser1> and i dont like mixing kde libs with gnome
[13:13] <graingert> they don't get mixed
[13:13] <graingert> they get installed in different directories/files
[13:13] <xuser1> "mixed"
[13:13] <graingert> mixing files doesn't really work to well
[13:13] <graingert> will it blend = no
[13:13] <graingert> too*
[13:15] <xuser1> i tryed xfce sand i like it
[13:15] <jasef> xuser1, There is no ill effects from installing the KDE libs while you're running Gnome. I currently have all of the libs for KDE apps installed on my Ubuntu system, which is running gnome. I also have the XFCE session handler installed.
[13:15] <xuser1> i know .....
[13:15] <graingert> if you install the whole KDE then you do get issues with your app list being bloated
[13:15] <graingert> as you get at least one app for that
[13:16] <RoDiMuS-X> the only ill effect of having KDE and Gnome installed is used Disk Space
[13:16] <BluesKaj> jasef, I run KDE and use some gnome apps without any probs
[13:16] <xuser1> i know is possible...
[13:16] <xuser1> :-D
[13:16] <jasef> BluesKaj, O-o I don't get why you're telling me that xD I was the one saying it was possible.
[13:16] <vlt> Hello. I openened the examples folder in my home dir, clicked on one of the ogg files and banshee opened. Then I closed it. Now, how to stop the music?
[13:17] <vlt> I tried the pause button in the audio icon's menu but it doesn't stop playing.
[13:17] <graingert> is freenet packaged anywhere for ubuntu+1 ?
[13:18] <BluesKaj> oh sorry ...didn't mean to bother you , jasef ...wow lots of ppl here with "attitude" today
[13:19] <GirlyGirl> Hi if anyone is there ... I'm trying the kubuntu 11.10 final pre-release image right now and have noticed some things.... 1) When booting in hangs at the plymout splash once it shows a mouse .. swtiching to tty1 then to tty7 lets me proceed to the startup screen ... when I press "try kubuntu" same thing it hangs this time I have to switch to tty8 and I see plasma desktop. After this everything is fine and fast .. but desktop eff
[13:19] <jasef> BluesKaj, O-o I wasn't complaining... I was just saying that I don't get why you were telling me specificially, cause what I was saying was agreeing with what you said.
[13:21] <lehjr> How do I add a network printer without FirewallD? error message is "FirewallD is not running. Network printer detection needs services mdns, ipp, ipp-client and samba-client enabled on firewall. "
[13:21]  * BluesKaj shrugs ...must be a full moon today
[13:23] <jasef> BluesKaj, Sorry if I came across as annoyed or something :3 I wasn't trying to
[13:24] <BluesKaj> jasef, it's ok  :)
[13:24] <BluesKaj> I should have addressed my comment elsewhere
[13:25] <shahanthegeek> What about new release of ubuntu? Is it going to be released just in time (JIT)?
[13:25] <Ian_> It will be
[13:26] <BluesKaj> GirlyGirl, what about holding the shiuft key down after the bios scrn til grub shows , does that work ?
[13:26] <BluesKaj> err shift
[13:27] <jasef> Hm... I wonder, when Oneiric is released, will #ubuntu become about 11.10? I've never really been hanging around the IRC near release time before
[13:27] <GirlyGirl> BluesKaj: Err did you read it well I can boot it fine
[13:27] <GirlyGirl> BluesKaj: I'm testing the live session
[13:27] <vlt> jasef: Yes.
[13:28] <charlie-tca> jasef: When released, all support goes to the respective channels, #ubuntu, #xubuntu, #kubuntu.
[13:28] <BluesKaj> GirlyGirl, yes I read it but you said you were using the tty to get to the desktop
[13:28] <jasef> vlt, Then #ubuntu+1 will be about 12.04? O-o. I don't imagine that there'll be a lot of support needed for it for a little while >>
[13:28] <jpds_> ali1234: Yes?
[13:28] <ali1234> jpds_: you know the uk ubuntu mirror?
[13:29] <jpds_> ali1234: Quite well.
[13:29] <GirlyGirl> BluesKaj: shift is for grub isn't it? I have passed boot
[13:29] <ali1234> jpds_: why isn't it on the list of mirrors on launchpad?
[13:29] <ali1234> jpds_: instead, archive.ubuntu.com is listed as a UK mirror "1 day behind" - 1 day behind what exactly?
[13:29] <BluesKaj> yes GirlyGirl , I didn't realize when you mentioned image you meant live session
[13:30] <ali1234> jpds_: the list: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[13:30] <vlt> Can anyone reproduce the unstoppable playing music file when clicking on the audio ogg in the examples folder and then closing banshee?
[13:30] <GirlyGirl> BluesKaj: ah I see. any idea how to start kwin after accidentally quiting it
[13:30] <jpds_> ali1234: It's right here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ubuntu.datahop.net-archive
[13:30] <GirlyGirl> alt + f2 does not work without kwin
[13:31] <shahanthegeek> what does ubuntu+1 mens?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> GirlyGirl, sudo service kdm start is the only one I know , drop to the tty first tho.
[13:31] <ali1234> jpds_: oh ok, i see. i expected it to be under gb.archive.ubuntu.com for some reason :)
[13:32] <jpds_> ali1234: http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/
[13:32] <ali1234> yeah i see, it's just another name for the same thing :)
[13:32] <jasef> shahanthegeek, ubuntu+1 means that it's the channel for the version of Ubuntu after the current one. Ubuntu 11.04 is the current version until the 13th, so 11.10 is ubuntu+1
[13:33] <shahanthegeek> jasef: oh... tnx for your good explanation :)
[13:33] <jasef> shahanthegeek, o.o no problem :)
[13:35] <jasef> The way I understand it, this channel basically goes into hibernation when 11.10 is released until 12.04 is closer.
[13:35] <graingert> jasef: pm
[13:35] <xuser1> im waiting for 12.04 lts
[13:36] <BluesKaj> yup jasef , when 12.04 becomes available for testing then ubuntu+1 is re-enabled
[13:36] <validuntilmonday> is 11.10 finally outß
[13:36] <validuntilmonday> ?
[13:36] <jasef> Not until the 13th :)
[13:36] <xuser1> because i prefer use LTS but 10.04 is too old
[13:36] <validuntilmonday> ahh ok, but the last official one was just a beta right?
[13:36] <GirlyGirl> BluesKaj: Solved .. rekonq was open made it open a save dialog ... used that to open dolphin .. used that to make blank textfile ... clicked it opened kate and made script ... then set executable and launched script with dolphin ... solved!
[13:37] <jasef> But we're almost there :D - I wonder though, 13th in what timezone? It's only just become the 11th here, but in most places it's still the 10th.
[13:37] <xuser1> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-12-04-LTS-a-k-a-Precise-Pangolin-225813.shtml
[13:39] <jasef> Ugh. Softpedia.
[13:39] <jasef> graingert, O-o <graingert> jasef: pm <- but I never got a PM
[13:39] <graingert> pretty much
[13:40] <BluesKaj> GirlyGirl, ok , whatever works for you ..never experienced a kwin quit before , unless I didn't recognize for what it was.:)
[13:40] <charlie-tca> jasef: UTC is the official timezone all things happen in
[13:41] <GirlyGirl> BluesKaj: To troubleshoot kwin I started it in terminal .. then I accidentaly closed konsole which made kwin quit as well
[13:41] <jasef> charlie-tca, Ah, thanks :) I didn't know Ubuntu worked around UTC for its release schedules
[13:42] <charlie-tca> It keeps the clocks on a time we can all work with, worldwide.
[13:42] <graingert> they do that for things like JSON
[13:42] <graingert> it's an error to include non UTC times in JSON
[13:42]  * patdk-wk wonders how anyone can work with anything other than UTC
[13:43] <jasef> charlie-tca, so will release be midnight UTC?
[13:44] <graingert> what is in ~/.local/share/Trash/expunged/ ?
[13:44] <charlie-tca> Not necessarily, the releases happen by midnight UTC on the release day
[13:44] <jasef> charlie-tca, Okay, thanks :-) I'm looking forward to it :D
[13:46] <BluesKaj> jasef, I've never seen the release at midnight UTC ...it's usually delayed mostly everywhere due to the traffic :)
[13:46] <graingert> torrent
[13:46] <graingert> ftw
[13:46] <BluesKaj> yup
[13:47] <graingert> well metalink ftw
[13:47] <BluesKaj> unless you upgrade thru the 'net
[13:47] <graingert> as you get the webseeds also
[13:47] <graingert> can't wait till apt-p2p
[13:47] <graingert> to be fully supported
[13:47] <jasef> I've never updated any way but downloading the CD image before...
[13:48] <patdk-wk> I used to use local mirror + net install only
[13:48]  * BluesKaj will probly use the mirror to upgrade , since my install is almost there anyway
[13:48] <patdk-wk> but now I do testing, it's only cd images
[13:48] <graingert> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-use-apt-p2p-for-faster-upgrades-from-ubuntu-intrepid-810-to-jaunty-904.html
[13:50] <patdk-wk> graingert, that just seems so complex
[13:50] <patdk-wk> why can't you just use it like a proxy?
[13:50] <patdk-wk> so much easier that way
[13:51] <patdk-wk> and no messing with your system
[13:51] <graingert> basically that's my complaint
[13:51] <graingert> apt needs better hooks
[13:51] <patdk-wk> I'm using apt-cacher-ng
[13:52] <jasef> I'm on 11.04 atm. Some of my settings are screwed up though - I think it's because I'm using my home folder from when I had 11.10 dailies installed.
[13:53] <graingert> patdk-wk: actually you probably could do Acquire::http { Proxy "http://CacheServerIp:3142"; };
[13:53] <patdk-wk> that is what I do
[13:54] <patdk-wk> but not with that apt-p2p you can't
[13:54] <graingert> really?
[13:54] <graingert> :(
[13:54] <patdk-wk> not with the way they have you rewriting the url's
[13:54] <graingert> apt-cacher-ng should do it then :p
[13:54] <graingert> (support p2p)
[13:54] <patdk-wk> heh
[14:10]  * maxb "fixes" aptitude on this oneiric laptop by uninstalling all multiarch packages
[14:11] <maxb> Somehow I don't think that was quite the point :-/
[14:11] <graingert> lol what
[14:11] <graingert> did you install zsnes?
[14:11] <maxb> ?
[14:13] <maxb> I booted up an old lucid system a few days ago
[14:13] <maxb> It made me pine for the days of GNOME 2
[15:05] <Trewas> kde has caught the gnome3 disease in oneiric, there is no option to reboot or shutdown, only suspend and hibernate
[15:20] <pac1> Trewas, they're in there somewhere.
[15:21] <pac1> some unity features are kind of growing on me.
[15:21] <BluesKaj> Trewas, where are you looking for the reboot /shautdown options in kde?
[15:21] <Trewas> actually the missing reboot/shutdown might be because it has lightdm and not kdm as the display manager
[15:22] <BluesKaj> yup,m that'll do it
[15:22] <panhans> hi, im testing 11.10 right now. but i have problems with my fan speed and power consumption. i used 10.10 with compiz before and everythin was still fine and quite. is there a fix for this? a also use the boot option pcie_aspm=force
[15:24] <panhans> had the same problem with natty... so i switched back to 10.10... hopefully i've tried ocelelot :(
[15:25] <pac1> I just managed to move a window to the top of the screen, now its window bar is behind the grey bar and I can't move it any more.
[15:25] <Klojum> panhans: what sort of system/laptop? are you testing 11.10 on?
[15:25] <panhans> vaio cw1s1e
[15:25] <graingert> panhans: vga_switcheroo
[15:26] <panhans> intel dual core
[15:26] <emorris> hey, does anyone know if there's a reason my broadcom ethernet card won't work in oneiric? (Not wireless - the wired one, it's BCM4401-B0). Has anyone else been having problems?
[15:26] <graingert> emorris: check the hardware support wiki
[15:26] <Klojum> I dont have a consumption problem on either a Core2Duo laptop or a Foxconn ION nt330i when using Ocelot
[15:27] <panhans> so look right here
[15:27] <panhans> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTg5Mg
[15:27] <panhans> it seems to be a problem with the kernel
[15:27] <panhans> 2.3.38 upwards
[15:30] <pac1> problem seems to be default screen sizes on two monitors.
[15:31] <emorris> graingert, yep, it's there and has yes's. I've never had a problem with it since Feisty..
[15:34] <jair> hello guys I am running ubuntu 11.10b2 and I am lookinf for a command to stop X? or how can I tell ubuntu to boot without X
[15:36] <jair> does anyone at ubuntu knows or understand linux? besides just pucking around with the gui?
[15:36] <pac1> I dropped back to a single monitor.  Now I've got a single view with the file manager taking up the entire display, with no way to get to the menu
[15:36] <emorris> jair, sudo service lightdm stop
[15:37] <jair> emorris: I enabled root so not need for sudo anymore it is annoying
[15:38] <emorris> jair, your choice. I don't as I have a tendency to mis-type and balls something up!
[15:39] <graingert> jair: you know about sudo su right?
[15:40] <emorris> or sudo -i
[15:40] <jair> emorris: looks lika that command disabled x good :)
[15:40] <emorris> jair, it doesn't disable it. It just stops it.
[15:40] <jair> I am having a problem with the monitor, looks like is too advance to recognice linux, it is a dell and I am trying to install the native nvidia drivers
[15:41] <jair> emorris: I am sorry stopped it :) my mistake
[15:41] <jair> emorris: if I want to stop it to start at boot time can I go to rc2.d and rename the script?
[15:41] <jair> graingert: I know about it but I am a debian guy so i don
[15:41] <jair> nt really want to use sudo
[15:43] <jair> emorris: if I boot normally in ubuntu I can't get the text or video because of the monitor and the type of connection is DVI-D
[15:44] <jair> I will be back
[15:46] <carli2> I HATE DOUBLE FREE CORRUPTION
[15:46] <carli2> why does no one fix this bug that makes all gtk based apps crash
[15:47] <carli2> i'm reporting the same error every day with apport...
[15:48] <RomD> I just installed ubuntu 11.10 in a virtual machine and wanted to disable the unity dock auto-hide in compizconfig settings manager, but the setting there doesn't seem to have any effect
[15:49] <RomD> when unchecking and checking the box to enable the unity plugin a get a couple of hotkey conflict messages
[15:49] <RomD> anyone else have this problem?
[15:55] <RomD> nevermind. forgot to enable the 3d support in virtualbox, so it used unity2d instead I guess
[15:57] <dtigue> jair: get his issue fixed ?
[15:58] <emorris> dtigue, he's gone
[16:11] <vega-> hmm, there will be no rc?
[16:12] <BluesKaj> vega-, probly not ..the official release is thurs
[16:12] <emorris> vega-, someone mentioned that there wouldn't be here a couple of days ago
[16:13] <emorris> in here*
[16:13] <vega-> yep
[16:16] <Ibis> Anyone here using nvidia geforce fx  by any chance still experiencing the "invisible icons in unity tray" bug by any chance?
[16:19] <BluesKaj> Ibis, nvidia-current driver causing that prob ?
[16:21] <Ibis> I can't tell, I know my nvidia is capable of 3D effects, as I was able to use 3D in previous versions of ubuntu.
[16:21] <BluesKaj> Ibis, do you have desktop effects enabled ?
[16:23] <BluesKaj> Ibis, and have you installed the recommended driver in admin> additional drivers ?
[16:23] <Ibis> By default, it's suppose to be on for unity. (At the moment, I'm logged into Unity-2D desktop).
[16:24] <Ibis> Lemme check, I'm sure I have that already installed.
[16:25] <ali1234> i saw some invisible icons in unity
[16:25] <ali1234> when i switched to a different theme
[16:25] <ali1234> well, i didn't actually see them, they were invisible
[16:25] <Ibis> I didn't switched to any theme though.
[16:29] <Ibis> I'm very sure I installed that thing.  Hey ali1234, what do you mean "when you switched to a different theme"? YOu mean you were able to see icons until you changed the theme? (In Unity tray)
[16:29] <ali1234> yes
[16:30] <ali1234> hang on i will make screenshot
[16:30] <ali1234> only some icons disappeared
[16:30] <ali1234> actually i can't reproduce any more
[16:33] <Ibis> Why did Ubuntu switched back to using thunderbird mail client?
[16:35] <charlie-tca> Thunderbird was thought to be more suited to the majority of the users. Evolution has been growing and becoming more complicated each update
[16:36] <jasef> Reminds me, I thought I read there were going to use Chrome in 11.10
[16:46] <iceroot> jasef: lubuntu already used chrome
[16:46] <jasef> I meant in main Ubuntu
[16:46] <BluesKaj> I see that altho KDE 4.7.2 is now installed the files called up as root still don't use the toolbar and titlebar fonts set as root in systemsettings
[16:47] <BluesKaj> used to to work in kde 4.6
[16:48]  * BluesKaj reminds himself to have patience , altho it's running somewhat thin lately
[16:54] <GirlyGirl> Ok I installed ubuntu-desktop and unity on Kubuntu oneric ... how do I completely remove them? Does anyone have a list of packages installed by them?
[16:55] <jasef> Uh, you should be able to just apt-get remove them, then do apt-get autoremove to get rid of all the unneeded dependencies
[16:57] <rww> jasef: that doesn't work for metapackages in Ubuntu's default configuration
[16:57] <BluesKaj> GirlyGirl, remove the metapackage ubuntu-desktop for starters
[16:57] <rww> everything ends up manually installed ;(
[16:57] <jasef> Oh, :(
[17:01] <BluesKaj> whoa ...crashed !
[17:01] <GirlyGirl> jasef: rww: ANy way to get a list of packages installed by the meta packagage
[17:02] <ikonia> look at the dependencies of the package
[17:02] <GirlyGirl> Also desktop effects were working blazing fast but suddenly they stoped on kde after using unity ... I get this on starting kwin in CLI kwin(1884): Compositing is not possible
[17:04] <GirlyGirl> ikonia: But if it has a dependancy that is common with KDE, that would cause trouble
[17:04] <ikonia> why would that cause a problem ?
[17:04] <rww> spend a few hours fixing stupid APT defaults, have it treat metapackages like normal :3
[17:08] <psalden> heya guys, can I by now easily add themes to the apearance -> themes list?
[17:10] <GirlyGirl> psalden: Get some themes from gnome-look.org
[17:10] <psalden> yeah but where to put em? :)
[17:29] <psalden> I've been looking around for quite a while now but can't even find files/folders named after the current theme on my hdd
[17:31] <Promethes> hi, is installation of GnomeShell (and gnome3) easy in 11.10 Oneiric Ocelot? Or will be?
[17:31] <rww> !notunity
[17:32] <Promethes> i tried this with ubuntu daily build couple days ago and it failed (some dependencies problem)
[17:38] <psalden> wish I tried it earlier... can just create a new folder .themes in ~ and place em there. cool :)
[17:48] <famgod> if your using gnome3 (fallback mode) or regular gnome3 and want your icons on the right hand side check out http://johnwarford.blogspot.com/2011/09/getting-window-buttons-on-right-hand.html
[17:49] <iceroot> after the latest thunderbird-update, its asking me all the time about my adress-book-password. never setup something like that. anyone else facing this bug?
[17:50] <catmando> in 11.10, is there still a way to edit hosts from a gui - you used to be able to do this in the network settings but that seems to be gone now
[17:51] <catmando> the hosts part i mean
[17:53] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/871472
[17:57] <BluesKaj> catmando, or you do alt+f2,  gksudo gedit /etc/hosts
[17:57] <iceroot> where can i find 3.0.0-13-generic mentioned in this comment? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/869502/comments/12
[17:57] <iceroot> only getting 3.0.0-12-generic with dist-upgrade
[17:58] <catmando> BluesKaj: i guess what I was asking is whether network-manager (or whatever it's called) is now just plain different in that it lacks a 'Hosts' tab or whether that functionality exists in some installable package
[18:00] <BluesKaj> catmando, if you use NM then it will rewrite the host file even if you edit it yourself , unless you don't restart
[18:01] <BluesKaj> BBL ...stuff to do
[18:01] <KrimZon2> Is the beta going to seamlessly transition into being release? At the moment my install of xubuntu beta 2 is asking to do a partial upgrade or dist-upgrade.
[18:01] <iceroot> ah its 3.0.0-12.20 and not 3.0.0-13.1
[18:02] <rww> !final
[18:03] <KrimZon2> ah, thanks
[18:08] <gribouille> hi
[18:08] <gribouille> when will oneiric be released?
[18:09] <charlie-tca> October 13, according to the schedule
[18:09] <charlie-tca> !schedule
[18:10] <phibxr> There used to be a blue indicator arrow up on the now extinct Ubuntu-button in the top left when a hidden window wanted attention -- can you get the same information somewhere else without pulling the launcher out?
[18:10] <gribouille> charlie-tca, I read somewhere it would be released today
[18:11] <phibxr> gribouille, techchrunch made a typo.
[18:11] <phibxr> gribouille, http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/10/the-world-welcomes-oneiric-ocelot-ubuntu-11-10-launched/
[18:11] <phibxr> gribouille, they later changed it again.
[18:13] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I am pretty sure somewhere will show it releases everyday this week. Got to be first!
[18:13] <charlie-tca> However, I find the official announcements much more accurate
[18:14] <phibxr> Yep, you'll likely keep seeing some unfortunate ripples throughout the web over the coming few days.
[18:25] <pangolin> I have a half installed package which I decided I don't want to install after all. How do I get apt to forget about trying to fix it and remove it completely?
[18:26] <CyberWorld> pangolin, apt-get purge I think
[18:26] <pangolin> will give it a shot
[18:27] <phibxr> Has there been any updates to 11.10 over the past 2-3 days? Haven't seen any pop up here.
[18:27] <jasef> I think it's in freeze until release
[18:27] <CyberWorld> Is the kernel in the upcoming release still going to have that kernel bug that uses too much power because of pci-e apsm?
[18:28] <catmando> for the irc record, the way to edit hosts entries through a gui in 11.10 is to install gnome-network-admin
[18:28] <technoviking> how do you change icons in oneric
[18:28] <CyberWorld> I meant to say is that still going to be a issue on my last line
[18:28] <jbicha> technoviking: you probably need to install gnome-tweak-tool
[18:29] <technoviking> jbicha: is that in repo or a ppa
[18:29] <jbicha> CyberWorld: most people aren't affected by the pci-e power issue but no, it's not been fixed in the kernel yet
[18:29] <jbicha> technoviking: it's in the normal repositories
[18:29] <pangolin> This is what I get when I try to purge http://paste.ubuntu.com/705533/
[18:29] <Ibis> charlie-tca: How is Evolution becoming more complicated than thunderbird?
[18:30] <CyberWorld> jbicha, I'm usually on a desktop anyways but are dell laptops effected by it I have 1420 the first dell laptop released by them with Linux preinstalled?
[18:31] <jbicha> CyberWorld: I think the pci-e issue was over-hyped
[18:31] <jbicha> but no, I don't have a list of which devices are affected
[18:31] <CyberWorld> Yeah I have a extra battery anyways was just curious
[18:33] <CyberWorld> After a release would you say 2 weeks is a decent wait for the major bug found after release to be squashed
[18:33] <CyberWorld> bugs
[18:34] <CyberWorld> I'm thinking this release should be a improvement over 11.04 since it was the first time unity was introduced for desktop
[18:36] <phibxr> CyberWorld, It's actually strange, I used to get a lot of Compiz- and Nautilus-crashes just a couple of days ago. Haven't received any new updates since then, but I'm not experiencing the crashing anymore. :P
[18:37] <CyberWorld> phibxr, good news none the less
[18:37] <phibxr> CyberWorld, Might have been related to the open source Nvidia-drivers though. Updated with nvidia-current at around the same time.
[18:37] <CyberWorld> I bet that was it
[18:39] <CyberWorld> this is a little off topic but anyone have any idea when flash will not be beta for 64 bit
[18:39] <CyberWorld> pesky flash
[18:40] <CyberWorld> if only everything was html5
[18:44] <technoviking> anyway to resize the unity launcher in oneric
[18:48] <mongy> !ccsm | technoviking
[18:50] <phibxr> Has the CD-cover for 11.10 been revealed yet?
[18:52] <phibxr> Nevermind, found it here. :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing#A11.10_artwork
[19:28] <Siekacz> hi
[19:28] <Siekacz> got a stupid problem with dash
[19:30] <Siekacz> dash icons are 'cut'
[19:30] <Siekacz> unity --reset doesn't fix it up
[19:47] <phibxr> Siekacz, I had that issue yesterday.
[19:47] <phibxr> Siekacz, It actually fixed itself. :S
[19:47] <Siekacz> but i have this bug for over 2 weeks
[19:47] <phibxr> Siekacz, Wasn't ever able to track down a cause for it. :/
[19:48] <Siekacz> created new account
[19:48] <Siekacz> and there everything is ok
[19:48] <phibxr> Siekacz, Try changing your theme to something that doesn't use the default icons and back again.
[19:48] <phibxr> Siekacz, I know I had Adwaita as my theme inbetween.
[19:49] <schreber> Once 11.10 is released on thursday is there a guide to setting it up so that we're greeted with gnome 3 and not unity?
[19:50] <iceroot> schreber: sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[19:51] <schreber> it's that simple?
[19:51] <pangolin> schreber: #ubuntu+1 for oneiric support please
[19:51] <iceroot> pangolin: fail
[19:51] <pangolin> err
[19:51] <pangolin> heh indeed
[19:51] <pangolin> sorry about that
[19:51] <iceroot> schreber: 11.10 comes with gnome3 and unity is using gnome3 just not the gnome-shell
[19:52] <schreber> ahh
[19:52] <bjsnider> after you install gnome-shell you have to select gnome as the session at the login screen
[20:02] <schreber> Are there any know issue with the restricted drivers, etc. with 11.10?
[20:03] <Siekacz> Sandy bridge + AMD hybrid graphics doesn't work
[20:03] <Siekacz> and i'm not talking about switching
[20:04] <Siekacz> but even working discrete graphics
[20:04] <Siekacz> fglrx doesn't run at all
[20:04] <Siekacz> saying that you don't have proper adapter
[20:04] <vsync_> Can't you disable one of them in the bios?
[20:04] <Siekacz> nope
[20:05] <Siekacz> i've got UEFI
[20:05] <vsync_> well, in uefi?
[20:05] <Siekacz> nope
[20:05] <Siekacz> frome console
[20:05] <jason_II> hello!
[20:05] <Siekacz>  :)
[20:05] <Siekacz> hi
[20:05] <jason_II> any easy way to change the title bar of gnome shell on 11.10?
[20:05] <jason_II> the default white/silver is quite ugly with ambiance :(
[20:05] <Siekacz> echo OFF > /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch
[20:05] <jason_II> gnome-tweak doesn't offer as much as I had hoped
[20:06] <Siekacz> jason_II: can't you just use unity
[20:06] <Siekacz> ? :)
[20:06] <jason_II> Siekacz: I much, much prefer gnome shell over unity
[20:06] <schreber> the tweak tool allows you to add the 'shut down' option to the menu, yes?
[20:06] <jason_II> schreber: if I recall... I think so...
[20:06] <jason_II> Siekacz: why the "why can't you just use..." comment?
[20:07] <schreber> good, I hate that they removed it
[20:07] <jason_II> is someone here a Unity dev? :P
[20:10] <Siekacz> convenient app switching, stuff search - not present in gnome shell
[20:11] <jason_II> Siekacz: gnome shell sure works fine and dandy for me.
[20:11] <jason_II> Siekacz: especially when it comes to performance on my netbook. it's no contest.
[20:11] <Siekacz> but feels more stable and fluid than Unity
[20:11] <jason_II> unity on 11.10 is impressing me
[20:11] <jason_II> don't get me wrong
[20:11] <jason_II> but I just don't see unity being massively adopted like gnome shell will be. plus I like what I'm seeing a bit more on the G3 front than I do Unity so far.
[20:11] <Siekacz> i cannot say anything wrong about unity
[20:11] <Siekacz> but i5 and 8 Gb RAM.. so...
[20:11] <jason_II> yeah...
[20:12] <jason_II> unity sucked up 3x the RAM in 11.04 than gnome shell did
[20:12] <jason_II> 11.10 looks far, far better
[20:12] <jason_II> but I still have my preferences :)
[20:12] <Siekacz> GNOME Shell has no design :)
[20:12] <jason_II> clearly you're not using the same gnome shell I am then, my friend :)
[20:12] <jason_II> gnome shell is gorgeous
[20:12] <Siekacz> don't be so sure
[20:12] <jason_II> oh, I'm quite positive :)
[20:12] <Siekacz> I've gnoem shell installed
[20:13] <jason_II> I've used it since... alpha?
[20:13] <jason_II> let me think
[20:13] <jason_II> august of last year?
[20:13] <Siekacz> I'm using 11.10 for everyday use
[20:13] <jason_II> regardless, I dig it. and it'll easily be the default environment on all of my systems.
[20:13] <jason_II> as am I
[20:13] <Siekacz> and installed gnoem shell
[20:13] <Siekacz> yes
[20:13] <Siekacz> it hase nicer animationsa
[20:14] <Siekacz> and feels abit lighter
[20:14] <Siekacz> but
[20:14] <Siekacz> where's the launcher? where's the search? where's consistency (2 indicationareas...)
[20:15] <jason_II> if I hit the super key in unity, and begin to type, it searches for me
[20:15] <jason_II> if I hit the super key in gnome shell, and begin to type, it searches for me
[20:15] <Siekacz> but
[20:15] <Siekacz> only installed apps
[20:15] <jason_II> if I scroll to the upper left in unity, I see the task bar
[20:15] <jason_II> if I scroll to the upper left in gnome shell, I see the activities menu with active windows
[20:15] <jason_II> they are so similar it's unreal, just differently designed
[20:16] <jason_II> if you type something in gnome shell and hit enter, and its not an installed app, it googles it for you
[20:19] <jbicha> jason_II: whatever Ubuntu uses as the default desktop will be massively adopted
[20:19] <jason_II> jbicha: no doubt. but it doesnt sound like unity will be as massively adopted by other distros as I had initially thought.
[20:19] <Siekacz> Unity has much faster progress
[20:19] <jason_II> regardless, both are nice. but I have my preferences based on a ton of usage in between both.
[20:19] <jason_II> Siekacz: I would highly doubt that...
[20:19] <Siekacz> remember gnome shell after a year of develoment?
[20:19] <jason_II> but regardless, not going into it further. it's useless.
[20:20] <jason_II> use what works for you. I know I do. ;)
[20:20] <jbicha> jason_II: Unity 11.04 required a heavily patched compiz, even now Unity's not really built to make it easy for say Fedora to package it
[20:20] <jbicha> we're a lousy upstream
[20:21] <jason_II> jbicha: do you know if fedora is going to bring it over? I had heard that they were, then they stopped. I always thought fedora of ALL distros would at least grab it.
[20:21] <jason_II> I was always curious if they re-announced that they'd go after it again
[20:21] <jason_II> but I've heard nothing
[20:21] <jbicha> jason_II: it was never an official announcement but Unity is so big I think it would require a packaging team to get it into Fedora
[20:21] <Siekacz> even GNOME is getting patched :)
[20:22] <bjsnider> let's not star the gnome vs. ubuntu thing again. after this summer that horse is long dead
[20:23] <jason_II> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[20:23] <Siekacz> :D
[20:23] <jbicha> it might be easier to get Unity into Debian but that team needs more help
[20:23] <jason_II> which direction is debian going?
[20:23] <jason_II> both?
[20:23] <jbicha> Debian is the Universal Distro, it runs everything on everything
[20:23] <jason_II> figured
[20:24] <jbicha> but GNOME vanilla is GNOME Shell which will land in Debian unstable soonish
[20:24] <jason_II> nice, nice
[20:24] <jason_II> the one thing I really like is ubuntu bringing unity out only offered more choice to users.
[20:24] <jason_II> it's one of those internal fuzzy feelings when you really think about how awesome choice is
[20:26] <Siekacz> hahaha
[20:26] <jason_II> think about it. Right now Im on a macbook pro. What can I do with it.
[20:26] <jason_II> ;)
[20:26] <Siekacz> Ubuntu one has a bug
[20:26] <Siekacz> that doe not allow you to log in
[20:26] <iceroot> !bug | Siekacz
[20:27] <Siekacz> I don't know how to do it properly...
[20:27] <Siekacz> every time i report something it's makred as uncomplete
[20:28] <Siekacz> (even reported with apport)
[20:32] <Siekacz> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/12/zrzutekranu201110102128.png/
[20:32] <Siekacz> this bug
[20:32] <Siekacz> grr
[20:33] <Siekacz> http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8572/zrzutekranu201110102128.png
[20:34] <guntbert> Siekacz: tell us the bug number
[20:34] <Siekacz> don't know its number
[20:35] <Siekacz> haven't reported it
[20:35] <Siekacz> and seems to work ok on fresh installation
[20:35] <guntbert> I thought you said you did ??
[20:41] <Siekacz> i reported some in the past, but they all were marked as invalid/uncomplete so I don't report anymore
[20:41] <Siekacz> only notice about existing
[20:46] <rww> Siekacz: did you add the requested details to the incomplete ones...?
[20:46] <Siekacz> it was lon, lon ago
[20:46] <Siekacz> *long long
[20:47] <Siekacz> so surely not
[20:47] <rww> so you're complaining because you filed a bug, they asked for more information to triage it, and you never got back to them
[20:48] <rww> this does not seem like a problem with the bug reporting system to me
[20:48] <Siekacz> nor to me :)
[20:49] <Siekacz> sometimes they asked after a long time
[20:49] <Siekacz> when the nex version has come
[20:50] <vivid> so, does anyone know what the deal is with the nvidia-current and nvidia-current-updates packages?
[20:52] <rww> Siekacz: so go test it on the next version, see if it's fixed, and close it if so
[20:52] <vivid> nobody knows what the purpose of nvidia-current-updates is?
[20:53] <Siekacz> purpose of having up-to-date driver
[20:53] <Siekacz> not one old, buggy version for current release
[20:53] <vivid> you'd think that right? yet it has a lesser version and installs side-by-side with nvidia-current
[20:53] <Siekacz> vivid: pre-release packaging bug
[20:54] <vivid> so......its difficult to set Conflicts: nvidia-current?
[20:54] <vivid> but its intended to actually be the current nvidia release?
[20:54] <Siekacz> vivid: before beta 2 there was a lot of packaging bugs
[20:55] <Siekacz> yup
[20:55] <vivid> thats a pretty basic packaging concept........get some better monkeys
[20:55] <Siekacz> there was a lot of problems with multiarch support
[20:56] <vivid> and still are, but thats a different story
[20:56] <yofel> why packaging bug?
[20:56] <yofel> they're intended to be installable side-by-side
[20:56] <vivid> why?
[20:56] <vivid> you cant use two of them
[20:57] <yofel> no, but you could switch between them without having to un/install them
[20:57] <vivid> how
[20:57] <vivid> i can only set nvidia or nvidia, did we rename the modules?
[20:57] <vivid> or do you mean with jockey
[20:57] <yofel> IIRC that's managed by update-alternatives
[20:57] <vivid> so jockey
[20:57] <Siekacz> off-topic question: are there any real plans for wayland in 12.10?
[20:58] <yofel> well, update-alternatives is dpkg, not jockey
[20:58] <yofel> Siekacz: we didn't even have the UDS for 12.04 yet...
[20:58] <vivid> yea but jockey is what people are going to use right....i mean you dont expect the average ubuntu user to bust out with dpkg and update-alternatives
[20:58] <Siekacz> :)
[20:58] <Siekacz> i'm waiting for UDS-P
[20:58] <yofel> vivid: no, but why do the packages have to 'only' support average ubuntu users?
[20:58] <vivid> makes some sense though, ill just remove this package for now until its actually a different version
[20:59] <vivid> i didnt say anything about only
[20:59] <vivid> but clearly the motto is "easy to use" and thats not exactly update-alternatives
[20:59] <emorris> does anyone know wtf this #awholenewworld thing is?
[21:00] <yofel> well, those users simply won't ever see that
[21:00] <saulotoledo> Hello! Somebody tested Gnome 3.2 with multiple screens?
[21:00] <vivid> yea, it doesnt work
[21:00] <dork> multiple screens?
[21:00] <yofel> an average user shouldn't use anything but the recommended driver unless he has a reason to use a different one
[21:00] <dork> multiple monitors?
[21:00] <saulotoledo> dork yes
[21:01] <vivid> well recommended may not necessarily work next month
[21:01] <saulotoledo> vivid: just don't worked?
[21:01] <yofel> why not?
[21:01] <dork> using it right now with nvidia
[21:01] <dork> works fine
[21:01] <vivid> because some of the already out cards arent supported until the next release
[21:01] <saulotoledo> yofel: 	Here it simples uses 100% CPU and I just can't use oO'
[21:01] <yofel> saulotoledo: sorry, was talking to vivid
[21:02] <saulotoledo> yofel: oops sorry D
[21:02] <dork> saulotoledo: works fine for me using nvidia drivers
[21:02] <vivid> you know what i mean? its good that theres a plan to keep current though
[21:02] <vivid> saulotoledo, sorry, i use multiple x servers and that doesnt work last i tried
[21:02] <yofel> well, it's better to keep a driver in the archive that's known to work
[21:03] <saulotoledo> dork: can you test for me how much CPU is used with and without multiple monitors?
[21:03] <yofel> but bug 760632 showed that it's sometimes necessary to make it easy to get new driver versions
[21:03] <vivid> yeah i get it, i was just saying, recommended might not work if someone buys one of those fancy new cards, so its also good to be current for real
[21:03] <yofel> that's what -updates was invented for
[21:03] <saulotoledo> vivid: ok
[21:03] <vivid> got it
[21:04] <vivid> i was just wondering why i was downloading it twice with two different versions and changelogs
[21:04] <yofel> true too...
[21:05] <Siekacz> google's supporting UDS-P
[21:05] <Siekacz> did Canonical and google get along?
[21:07] <Cajun_Lan_Man> Hello all.  Quick question. If I install beta 2 today, and run updates after 11.10 is final, will I have something as good as the final version?
[21:08] <Siekacz> certainly
[21:08] <Cajun_Lan_Man> Thanks.  I was hoping so.  I just wasn't sure.
[21:08] <FernandoMiguel> !final > Cajun_Lan_Man
[21:09] <Cajun_Lan_Man> thx
[21:09] <saulotoledo> dork: this can be done with "top" command line utility
[21:11] <iceroot> anyone else having this thunderbird-issues?https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/871472
[21:12] <iceroot> atm thunderbird is not usable here
[21:15] <vivid> no its working for me here
[21:15] <vivid> would be nice if there was a keep open in background setting though :p
[21:17] <iceroot> vsync_: that would reduce the problem with this bug, yes :)
[21:54] <szymon_g> hi
[21:59] <szymon_g> i've got a microsoft ergonomic keyboard 4000, it has some extra keys. i'd like to assign them to act as "next track" and "previous track" /in music players etc/. unfortunatelly, under Firefox they work pretty much like alt+ arrows /previous and next page/. in system setting, keyboard -> shortcuts i was unable to find anything about those two keys. i know it is possible to bind those keys under gnome2, but how can i do it in Unity (prefe
[21:59] <szymon_g> rably: without using xev etc)?
[22:13] <robin0800> szymon_g, use dconf editor from the software centre
[22:18] <DeviceZer0> does ubuntu have the 64 bit flash plugin also?...since adobe just updated the 64bit one to be insync with the rest
[22:20] <DeviceZer0> brb reboot
[22:23] <TheFuzzball> Linux in general has had a 64-bit flash plugin for a while.
[22:26] <User_San_> Hello! I am getting lots of problem on Oneiric...
[22:27] <Tallken> User_san, such as? if it is with wireless I may help, otherwise, no :p
[22:28] <User_San_> When on Battery, suddenly it jumps from 40% to 0% and hibernate the computer. Then i turn it on again and it still working form a while, so it goes from 31% for 0% and hibernete again!
[22:28] <User_San_> Or from 0:40 to 0:01
[22:28] <User_San_> Another doubt is: How do i get the battery-indicator showing only percentage?
[22:29] <User_San_> it keep swapping between time and percentage
[22:36] <User_San_> does anyone have a clue about this?
[22:41] <User_San_> In Oneiric, what must i do in order to prevent battery indicator from swaping between percentage and time display?
[23:02] <ubuntu_> Has the streaming radio capability in rhythbox been removed?
[23:20] <gothicjunk> http://thisisthecountdown.com/ doesnt render properly in any of my browsers
[23:23] <emorris> gothicjunk, works fine in ff for me
[23:23] <emorris> gothicjunk, what does it look like?
[23:24] <ubuntu_> Has the streaming radio capability in rhymthbox been removed?
[23:27] <gothicjunk> emorris, http://imgur.com/tJihf
[23:27] <gothicjunk> the background is kinda messed up when it was rendering fine
[23:28] <emorris> gothicjunk, looks find to me
[23:29] <emorris> gothicjunk, look at http://thisisthecountdown.com/img/bg.jpg - that's the image used
[23:29] <gothicjunk> so you have a perfectly rendered earth?
[23:29] <gothicjunk> oh ok so they changed the image
[23:29] <emorris> gothicjunk, mmhmm
[23:29] <gothicjunk> lol gotchya moment
[23:29] <emorris> gothicjunk, "As of late 10/6 or early 10/7, http://thisisthecountdown.com has changed. The background is now different, and the bar above the countdown appears to move."
[23:30] <soee> guys are there any plans for ubuntu one kde client ?
[23:31] <gothicjunk> soee use Kubuntu lol there is one there
[23:31] <gothicjunk> https://launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client-kde
[23:32] <soee> hmm let me see
[23:32] <gothicjunk> oh they removed it from the RTM it was in the beta
[23:33] <gothicjunk> but it is alpha so it is in the works
[23:33] <soee> its one year old :o
[23:33] <gothicjunk> yeah noone really cares about KDE anymore lol
[23:33] <soee> :D i do
[23:34] <gothicjunk> I do too lol I was being fececitious
[23:35] <gothicjunk> but in all honesty GTK applications render properly in Kubuntu
[23:35] <jbicha> people care about KDE, but perhaps KDE developers don't care about U1 or U1 devs don't care about KDE
[23:35] <jbicha> but it doesn't matter, you can still use Ubuntu One's GTK client fine on KDE
[23:36] <gothicjunk> GTK+ != gnome, it is an application base created for Gimp people just took it too far
[23:36] <gothicjunk> but GTK+ applications have rendered proplerly in KDE for quite some time unless you dont install the proper themes
[23:37] <charlie-tca> You should ask in #ubuntuone for the kde client developer. I think he does monitor it.
[23:38] <rww> If memory serves, there isn't a maintained KDE client.
[23:38] <rww> and it was "U1 devs change the API from underneath KDE U1 dev"
[23:40] <charlie-tca> ping ralsina in #ubuntuone, he is the engineering manager of the team that develops the desktop side of Ubuntu One, and a KDE user
[23:57] <Cheapshot> Hello, seems my spotify stopped working after upgrading to 11.10. I't gives no more sound for me and says im running on a wrong platform and that there is a problem with sound card. Im running it trough wine (the native build is working very slowly for me). Any idea what to do?
[23:58] <ubuntu_> Has the streaming radio capability in rhymthbox been removed?
[23:59] <dtigue> ubuntu_: hah....i thought rhythmbox was removed altogether
[23:59] <ubuntu_> Well, it's in the Software Center at least