[07:06] <dpm> good morning all
[07:09] <nigelb> Morning dholbach, dpm :)
[07:09] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[07:09] <dholbach> good morning
[07:14] <nigelb> Release week \m/
[07:25] <AlanBell> party week \o/
[08:09] <czajkowski> it's release week alright just saw robbie and pete this morning on the way to work
[08:15] <jussi> czajkowski: what were they doing, sitting around sipping iced tea? :P
[08:16] <dholbach> hey jono, hey erward
[08:16] <erward> good morning dholbach
[08:18] <jono> hey dholbach
[08:18] <jono> erward, sorry, won't be long
[08:20] <czajkowski> walking
[08:21] <czajkowski> onew of the bus stops I stop at in the morning is close to Millbank
[09:06] <popey> Morning all
[09:07] <czajkowski> popey: Greetings
[09:33] <head_victim> popey: got a minute for a pm?
[09:34] <head_victim> RE: -users
[09:57] <popey> ya
[10:12] <nigelb> Morning popey!
[10:19] <akgraner> Hi all gotta kick recruitment for Open Week into hight gear  - Is there a particular session you all would like to see on the schedule or give?
[10:20] <akgraner> please add it or let me know who to go ask about a particular subject
[10:20] <czajkowski> akgraner: saw your hubby this mroning on the way to work
[10:20] <czajkowski> clearly tell it's release week
[10:20] <czajkowski> is it a bit late to be doing open week
[10:20] <czajkowski> so close to release and then UDS
[10:21] <akgraner> this is when we always do open week
[10:21] <akgraner> right after the release but right before UDS
[10:21] <akgraner> nothing new there...:-)
[10:21] <czajkowski> yeah but we seem to be organising it really late
[10:21] <akgraner> cool - yeah I haven't seen much of him these last 2 months
[10:22] <akgraner> we started 6 weeks ago
[10:22] <czajkowski> really not heard of it till today
[10:22] <Pendulum> I think jorge put a call out beginning of September
[10:22] <Pendulum> (for speakers)
[10:22] <akgraner> well then you haven't seen jcastro and I talking about it - or watched the mailing lists
[10:22] <Pendulum> I remember seeing something
[10:23] <akgraner> czajkowski, sorry this is the first you are hearing about it -
[10:23] <akgraner> but we've been discussing it :-)
[10:23] <czajkowski> akgraner: it's not personal
[10:23] <czajkowski> i just said I've not heard it
[10:23] <czajkowski> and september was a long time ago
[10:23] <czajkowski> *shrugs*
[10:28] <akgraner> czajkowski, I didn't take it personally  - what gets me is I ask for help and get the "it's late to be scheduling"  - we know that  - all we need is a little help not stating the obvious that's all...:-)  Not mad just would like some suggestions or help...that's all...:-)
[10:49]  * popey hugs dholbach 
[10:49]  * dholbach hugs popey back :)
[10:50]  * czajkowski spots the huggers
[10:50]  * czajkowski hugs joins in and hugs dholbach and popey 
[10:50] <czajkowski> GROUP HUG
[10:53]  * dholbach_ hugs you all
[11:13] <czajkowski> dholbach: you in London ?
[11:59] <dholbach> czajkowski, nope
[11:59] <dholbach> Berlin :)
[12:00] <czajkowski> dholbach: boo you never come over :(
[12:01] <dholbach> same is true for all you guys... when did I last see you in Berlin? :)
[12:01] <popey> :D
[12:02] <popey> You tell 'em dholbach !
[12:02] <nigelb> dholbach: lol, good one :D
[12:05] <czajkowski> dholbach: it's on my to visit place! but all the other canoniocal folks come here was hoping you'd come here too
[12:05] <czajkowski> :/
[12:07] <dholbach> yeah, it's all the important folks who get to get there
[12:10] <czajkowski> dholbach: don't say such things, you're important
[12:10] <czajkowski> dholbach: say it with me, I dholbach am important to the Ubuntu community :)n I provide hugs
[12:10] <dholbach> haha
[12:10] <czajkowski> <--- lack of sleep and pain killers may be clear today :)
[13:05] <jono> dpm, hey
[13:05] <jono> will be two mins and then call?
[13:05] <dpm> hey jono, sure
[13:05] <jono> dpm, thanks
[13:09] <jono> dpm, lets do Skype
[13:09] <dpm> jono, ok, firing it up
[13:13] <dpm> jono, http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/stats/ubuntu-11.10-translation-stats.html
[13:19] <jono> dholbach, you free now
[13:19] <jono> ?
[13:21]  * dpm goes for a break
[13:23] <jcastro> whoa dpm
[13:23] <jcastro> edit much? :)
[13:24] <dholbach> jono, yep
[13:27] <jcastro> I need people to sign up for openweek! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[13:27] <jcastro> next person who talks will get autoassigned
[13:27] <jcastro> :)
[13:28] <jcastro> akgraner: thanks for the 2nd call for help
[13:28]  * jcastro will catch us up today by being annoying on IRC
[13:28] <dholbach> I'm on there already, so I can go babble on and on
[13:28] <jcastro> heh
[13:28] <dholbach> jcastro, let me help you
[13:28] <dholbach> dpm, ping
[13:29] <akgraner> jcastro, emailing LoCo contacts now...
[13:29] <jcastro> I am working on DX, and will just go team to team
[13:29] <akgraner> and I'll blog about it in about an hour - then jump back over to UWN and once that's finished I'll poke some people's...
[13:30] <akgraner> jcastro, cool  - I asked ken but I think he is slammed so don't ask him again :-)
[13:32]  * popey cuddles jcastro 
[13:32] <jcastro> nice, an action
[13:34] <jono> dholbach, lets do Skype
[13:35] <dholbach> ok
[13:46] <czajkowski> action item:DONE yay
[14:12] <pleia2> jcastro: is jane's talk from last week online anywhere? (doing an 11.10 talk tomorrow and seeing her demo of juju/orchestra/server stuff would be muy helpful to me actually describing it all
[14:12] <jcastro> no, but rackspace taped them all
[14:13] <jcastro> as soon as I get it I'll let you know
[14:13] <pleia2> ok, thanks :)
[14:13] <jcastro> I sent the organizer a mail but today is a holiday, I'll let you know as soon as I know
[14:14] <pleia2> rackspace gets off for columbus day? I need a job that gets off for columbus day :)
[14:14] <jcastro> we are off today
[14:14] <jcastro> but of course, I didn't know that
[14:14] <jcastro> so I'm sitting here, lol
[14:14] <pleia2> haha
[14:14] <jcastro> I guess I'll ask for Friday off instead
[14:14] <cjohnston> Columbus day is Wednesday!
[14:14] <pleia2> cjohnston: sorry, (observed) :)
[14:14] <cjohnston> :-P
[14:23] <dpm> dholbach, back
[14:23] <dpm> sorry, I was having a late lunch
[14:23] <dpm> jcastro, yeah, I added some application-development tags to questions I saw relevant
[14:24] <dholbach> dpm, I tried to trick you into giving a UOW session
[14:24] <dholbach> dpm, jcastro said "next person who speaks will be auto-volunteered"
[14:25] <jcastro> hahaha
[14:25] <jcastro> WHAT A TRAP.
[14:25] <dpm> dholbach, ah, no worries, I wanted to sign up for one anyway, I just got sidetracked last time I looked at the schedule
[14:25] <dholbach> jcastro, I said "let me help you"
[14:25] <jcastro> I think pleia and cjohnston fell into it too
[14:25] <jcastro> Labrea Speaker Tarpit
[14:25] <dholbach> (I was "safe" already.)
[14:25] <dpm> dholbach, btw, I'll use this fine technique of yours next time I organize an Ubuntu week...
[14:26] <jcastro> "I was voluntold to lead this session"
[14:27] <akgraner> that's my favorite jcastro quote ^^^
[14:28] <dpm> jcastro, dholbach, done - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Timetable
[14:29] <cjohnston> if jcastro pays for my internet for the cruise I may think about giving a session
[14:29] <jcastro> forget about internet on a cruise
[14:29] <jcastro> it's expensive
[14:29] <jcastro> I didn't even bother
[14:30] <jcastro> also, you're on a cruise, who needs internets
[14:30] <cjohnston> lol
[14:30] <cjohnston> iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin school :-/
[14:30] <cjohnston> uggh.
[14:30] <cjohnston> in school.
[14:30] <dpm> jcastro, do you think it might be worth doing a "Getting Started with App Development" or "Writing Your First Ubuntu App" as well? I could probably do one more, I'm just concerned that it doesn't get too technical
[14:31] <akgraner> dpm, thank you!
[14:34] <dpm> I'll just go for it, there you go, another session
[14:42] <jcastro> dpm: I think we should
[14:42] <jcastro> Like, we should go pedal to the metal on all app dev stuff
[14:42] <akgraner> I would love to learn more about that - how basic will it be :-)
[14:42] <jcastro> hey do we know how many apps have been approved yet?
[14:42] <akgraner> (I totally asking for selfish reasons now)
[14:43] <akgraner> jcastro, do we want/need a Basic skills for leading volunteer organizations session?
[14:43] <akgraner> not that it's about 11.10 but it does benefit the community?
[14:44] <jcastro> sure, why not
[14:44] <jcastro> hey dholbach I have a question
[14:44] <jcastro> when you mailed all the people for the survey
[14:44] <jcastro> how did you get the email addresses?
[14:45] <dpm> jcastro, I think the ISD myapps team is working on a way of automatically reporting how many apps are approved. I know wendar has been reviewing a lot of the libre+free ones, but I don't think any of them have been approved for oneiric yet
[14:45] <cjohnston> back to this?
[14:45] <jcastro> dpm: any for natty?
[14:46] <dholbach> jcastro, from LP
[14:49] <dpm> jcastro, all the ones submitted have been targeted for oneiric afaik. So we had 2 for maverick, 0 for natty (and will probably stay like this) and hopefully a few for oneiric (they are under review now, let me check how many)
[15:09] <jono> dholbach, sorry not had a chance to review the survey yet, been locked in this session
[15:10] <dholbach> jono, no worries
[15:11] <dpm> jcastro, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board
[15:41] <jcastro> hey scott-work, plenty of room for a ubuntu studio session!
[15:41] <nigelb> I was thinking of a hacking on launchpad session
[15:41] <jcastro> yeah!
[15:43] <nigelb> DOes it seem too offtopic?
[15:43] <nigelb> I don't think I can cover it in one session either.
[15:45] <jcastro> I was thinking maybe somethign more end user related
[15:46] <jcastro> maybe like, reporting your first bug
[15:46] <jcastro> simple stuff
[15:46] <akgraner> oh I could use a session on bug reporting
[15:46] <akgraner> I don't know how to do it if the little box doesn't pop up to ask me to report a bug
[15:51] <dpm> jcastro, how can I mark questions as duplicates in askubuntu?
[15:52] <jcastro> I don't think you have the rep yet
[15:52] <jcastro> you can either flag it
[15:52] <jcastro> or just paste them in here and I can do it
[15:52] <jcastro> if you flag it just say "this is a duplicate of this question" and then it will go in the review queue
[15:56] <akgraner> jcastro, charlie-tca will be doing an Xubuntu session - just added it
[15:56] <jcastro> \o/
[15:56] <jcastro> man, you're beating me
[15:56] <akgraner> Waiting on RIck to let me know where to put him in on the schedule
[15:56] <akgraner> and I'll add the leadership one in just a few
[15:56] <jcastro> dang
[15:56] <jcastro> I am behind!
[15:56] <akgraner> getting my machine un borked
[16:00] <dpm> jcastro, these are the ones, I saw them while tagging application-development ones: http://askubuntu.com/questions/7391/is-there-a-dreamweaver-html-editor-replacement and http://askubuntu.com/questions/38343/dreamweaver-alternative-in-ubuntu
[16:01] <dpm> oh, and http://askubuntu.com/questions/59632/basic-web-development-ide-editor-like-dreamweaver
[16:04]  * dholbach calls it a day - see you all tomorrow
[16:08] <jcastro> wow nice
[16:08] <jcastro> three!
[16:10] <jcastro> dpm: hey if the question is good don't forget to vote on it
[16:10] <jcastro> also, the answers, heh
[16:11] <dpm> jcastro, ok, just tagging everything I find relevant for now, I'll go through the questions and answers afterwards, I'm still new to askubuntu
[16:11]  * jcastro nods
[16:11] <jcastro> this is awesome, you totally filled up my queue when I work up, AWWWW YEAH.
[16:18] <czajkowski> ah scott kitterman has woken up, my inbox just got attacked
[16:19] <czajkowski> whoo my oneiric t-shirt has been shipped, wonder how bad it's gonna look on a woman wiht them paw prints
[16:19] <czajkowski> https://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=891 paws are kinda in the wrong place
[16:21] <czajkowski> http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/10/10/encouraging-membership/ decided to actually poke people re membership as there are people on irc who do a fantastic job and dont even know they can go for membership and also Marianna and Maria I've both mailed to go for it also
[16:22] <czajkowski> as dear gods the work they've done and do re UDS and shippit
[16:22] <czajkowski> worth it alone, they really do go above and beyond interaction with the community
[16:22] <akgraner> czajkowski, glad you mentioned it to them - I told them the same thing UDS before last :-)
[16:23] <czajkowski> oh I didnt know who their managers were I do now so mailed mark and tol him to go poke people
[16:24] <czajkowski> they've both mailed since and said they will
[16:24] <czajkowski> so will help them
[16:24] <pleia2> yay :)
[16:24] <czajkowski> I don't do subtle
[16:35] <nigelb> akgraner: hggdh can be convinced to do a how to file a bug session ;)
[16:42] <akgraner> hggdh, nigelb just threw you under the bus :-)
[16:43] <nigelb> lol
[16:48] <akgraner> jcastro, victorp is checking with roadmr for an Ubuntu Friendly session... but victorp said if not roadmr then he or ara will give the session
[16:53] <dpm> jcastro, what's the convention for tags in askubuntu? I'd like to add one for the ARB, and I'm wondering whether it should be 'arb' or 'app-review-board' or 'application-review-board'
[17:11] <akgraner> jcastro,  forgot about this - only in a perfect world - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Organization
[17:16] <akgraner> jcastro  - just added Contributing to Ubuntu at a Local level: A Roadmap - Randall Ross (rrnwexec)  woot woot :-)
[17:18] <sense> akgraner: I wouldn't mind leading a session, but I wouldn't know what to talk about. ;)
[17:18] <akgraner> sense, I forgot to email you  - during user days someone asked about that jobs board, ubuntu classified thing you were doing
[17:19] <akgraner> idea thing you had - are you still working on that
[17:19] <sense> akgraner: Ah, Ubuntu Wanted! I am not working on that anymore. It sort of died out.
[17:19] <akgraner> I have the guy's email who wanted to do something like that
[17:19] <akgraner> I thought maybe you all should talk since I knew you had tried it
[17:19] <akgraner> can I do an email introduction to you?
[17:20] <akgraner> You can fill him in on what you tried etc
[17:20] <sense> akgraner: That'd be fine. I'm happy to share what I can.
[17:20] <akgraner> maybe some new even more awesome idea(s) will come from the conversation or something
[17:21] <akgraner> Just wanted you to know I thought about you and your idea when he mentioned it...
[17:22] <sense> ok, thanks for telling!
[17:25] <nigelb> akgraner: I thought of reviving it with the job board I showed at my lightning talk.
[17:25] <nigelb> Sadly, I didn't have enough time.
[17:27] <akgraner> ahhh - yeah time is a hot ticket item for everyone these days :-)
[18:08] <akgraner> jcastro, only 7 sessions left to fill :-)
[18:08] <akgraner> ok 6 really
[18:09] <akgraner> once I find out what time to put Rick's session and the Ubuntu Friendly Session that will only leave 6 slots left...
[18:10] <akgraner> and if hggdh will do the bug filing session that will only leave 5...so woot woot!
[20:29] <czajkowski> been running oneiric for weeks now
[20:29] <czajkowski> but todays errors are annoying
[21:14] <akgraner> jcastro, Brainstorm session added for Open week - 4 slots now
[21:59] <pleia2> kim0 on holiday, boo :(
[21:59] <pleia2> I need to pick someone's brain about cloud offerings, I am clearly not getting this on my own
[22:06] <nigelb> pleia2: Daviey!
[22:07] <pleia2> hah, was hoping for someone around nowish :)
[22:07] <nigelb> pleia2: *maybe* I could help :)
[22:08] <pleia2> nigelb: ok, here goes...
[22:10] <pleia2> so ubuntu has two offerings, a private cloud infrastructure that uses openstack and called "Ubuntu Cloud Infrastructure" (formally "Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud")
[22:10] <pleia2> and ec2 images for Amazon
[22:10] <pleia2> which I think are "Ubuntu Cloud Guest" and they can actually run on Amazon or a private cloud
[22:11] <pleia2> so the infrastructure is the thing you need if you're not using amazon
[22:13] <nigelb> pleia2: wait, so what's the question? :)
[22:15] <pleia2> nigelb: haha, the question is "what do I have wrong about all this"
[22:15] <nigelb> aha
[22:15] <pleia2> Now juju is a thing you run (from where?) to use charms which allow you to deploy simple ubuntu images that do specific tasks (mysql server, wordpress server) across your private cloud or amazon instances
[22:16] <pleia2> I am clueless about Orchestra, everything I find about it is buzzwordy and I don't understand how it fits in with all this
[22:16] <nigelb> pleia2: Ok, you were right so far (fairly sure)
[22:16] <nigelb> and Orchestra is part of juju
[22:16] <nigelb> Its one of the components
[22:16] <nigelb> pleia2: aaah
[22:16] <nigelb> the best person to talk to might be kirkland
[22:17] <nigelb> he should be arround as wwell
[22:17]  * pleia2 messages
[22:17] <nigelb> pleia2: https://launchpad.net/orchestra
[22:17] <pleia2> nigelb: saw that, buzzwordy and useless
[22:18]  * nigelb looks for README
[22:18] <pleia2> it would be neat if the interesting links on this page weren't broken http://www.ubuntu.com/business/cloud/technical-resources
[22:18] <pleia2> or outdated (lots of references to eucalyptus still)
[22:19] <nigelb> This virtual package installs the dependencies necessary to provision, manage, and monitor an Ubuntu-based data center.
[22:19] <nigelb> orchestra
[22:19] <nigelb> pleia2: so, like the puppet stuff, juju will haev a master server I think which controls the other machines.
[22:19] <pleia2> yeah, I think my confusion comes in because I don't know the difference between that and juju
[22:19] <nigelb> argh
[22:19] <nigelb> right
[22:19] <nigelb> neither do I.
[22:19] <nigelb> jcastro: PING.
[22:21] <pleia2> and would juju and orchestra both work on ec2 or private cloud? where do they run from, some master control server?
[22:21] <nigelb> pleia2: asking someone on server team :)
[22:22] <pleia2> kirkland suggested I just ask in #ubuntu-cloud ;)
[22:22] <nigelb> aha
[22:23] <pleia2> nigelb: mind if I paste this conversation in pastebin to share?
[22:23] <nigelb> pleia2: np :)
[22:25] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Oneiric/EnsembleOrchestra
[22:26] <AlanBell> Orchestra helps users deploy Ubuntu
[22:26] <AlanBell> Ensemble helps users deploy applications on Ubuntu
[22:26] <AlanBell> s/ensemble/juju/
[22:26] <pleia2> AlanBell: thanks, that helps :)
[22:27] <pleia2> hmm
[22:27] <pleia2> so a charm doesn't deploy a server with ubuntu, it deploys a configuration and makes orchestra set up the ubuntu install itself?
[22:28] <nigelb> pleia2: just /join #ubuntu-server and talk to lynxman? :)
[22:28] <pleia2> nigelb: bah, why isn't he in -cloud? :)
[22:28] <nigelb> heh