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| ara | jedimike, not sure how many people will show up for the UF meeting :) | 15:01 |
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| victorp | o/ | 15:02 |
| ara | victorp, schwuk, brendand, akgraner? | 15:02 |
| schwuk | ara: ? | 15:02 |
| brendand | hi | 15:03 |
| victorp | ara? | 15:03 |
| * schwuk only just joined | 15:03 | |
| akgraner | o/ I'm here | 15:03 |
| ara | schwuk, I was just counting :) | 15:03 |
| jedimike | o/ here too | 15:03 |
| ara | OK, let's get started | 15:03 |
| ara | #startmeeting | 15:03 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Mon Oct 10 15:03:28 2011 UTC. The chair is ara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. | 15:03 |
| meetingology | Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired | 15:03 |
| ara | Today we don't have a fixed agenda, just a Q&A + general discussion | 15:03 |
| ara | so, if you want to participate, just raise your hand | 15:04 |
| ara | .. | 15:04 |
| victorp | o/ | 15:04 |
| victorp | has everyone submitted their systems yet? .. | 15:04 |
| * ara has submitted hers | 15:04 | |
| * brendand has | 15:05 | |
| * victorp got 4+ stars | 15:05 | |
| * brendand needs blank cd's and a firewire device ;) | 15:05 | |
| ara | jedimike, I have seen that my system still shows vga external monitor result | 15:06 |
| jedimike | ara: what's the url for your system? | 15:06 |
| ara | http://107.20.216.30/11.10/LENOVO/4171CTO/I:D8Wuop:Ek:I8g:CPe:B9ip:EZ0:I8g:BI3:I8g/ | 15:06 |
| victorp | brendand, is blanks CDs not a skipeable core test? | 15:06 |
| victorp | jedimike, ^^ | 15:06 |
| jedimike | victorp, brendand, yes it is skippable | 15:07 |
| victorp | brendand, oh you mean for 5 stars | 15:07 |
| brendand | victorp - exactly | 15:07 |
| victorp | ara - so small community then ;) | 15:07 |
| brendand | o/ | 15:08 |
| jedimike | ara: can you raise that as a bug, it shouldn't be in there now | 15:08 |
| ara | jedimike, mmm, didn't I raise a bug about that before? | 15:08 |
| ara | jedimike, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-friendly/+bug/868972 | 15:09 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 868972 in Ubuntu Friendly "Categories with all the tests skipped, shouldn't appear in the list of components" [Medium,Fix released] | 15:09 |
| ara | you lied! | 15:09 |
| ara | :D | 15:09 |
| ara | brendand, go ahead | 15:09 |
| jedimike | ara: yes and we got it fixed, but this is a different bug. The problem is that the powersaving test is in 'monitor' which is 'vga external video' in UF | 15:10 |
| brendand | i just wanted to ask how many people are seeing the annoying problem with checkbox hiding when running tests? | 15:10 |
| brendand | .. | 15:10 |
| ara | jedimike, OK, I'll raise a bug | 15:10 |
| * ara sees the annoying bug | 15:10 | |
| victorp | me | 15:12 |
| victorp | brendand, is it a checkbox issue or unity? | 15:12 |
| brendand | victorp - i don't think it is a checkbox issue | 15:14 |
| brendand | victorp - same thing doesn't happen in unity 2-d for example | 15:14 |
| victorp | so do we know if it affects other tools/dialogs? | 15:14 |
| victorp | brendand, ah | 15:14 |
| ara | victorp, but it might be a corner case that appeared because the gtk architecture of checkbox is weird | 15:15 |
| ara | the main window is a gtkdialog, and the progress dialog is actually a gtkwindow | 15:15 |
| victorp | yes yes | 15:16 |
| brendand | i was about to say. yes | 15:17 |
| brendand | i haven't found an existing bug yet | 15:17 |
| brendand | we could change the ui to avoid the necessity to repeatedly hide the dialog (e.g. by building the progress bar into the main dialog) | 15:18 |
| brendand | but no quick fix it seems | 15:18 |
| ara | akgraner, did you have the opportunity to give submit your system lately? | 15:19 |
| ara | seems like akgraner is not around | 15:22 |
| ara | OK, any other comments? | 15:23 |
| ara | going once | 15:23 |
| ara | going twice | 15:24 |
| ara | #endmeeting | 15:24 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon Oct 10 15:24:51 2011 UTC. | 15:24 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-10-10-15.03.moin.txt | 15:24 |
| ara | OK, thanks all! and tell your friends to submit their systems! :) | 15:25 |
| akgraner | I'm sorry I lost wifi and had to run cable right quick...:-( | 15:25 |
| ara | akgraner, no worries, actually I was asking you if you had had the opportunity to submit your system lately | 15:26 |
| akgraner | ara upgrading now and will be doing that once I get the install completed | 15:27 |
| ara | akgraner, awesome, let us know how that went | 15:27 |
| akgraner | will do | 15:27 |
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| * micahg looks for people waiting for the DMB meeting... | 18:59 | |
| Laney | hello | 19:00 |
| micahg | bdrung, cody-somerville, persia, stgraber meeting? | 19:02 |
| cody-somerville | Hi | 19:02 |
| micahg | hi geser, here for the meeting? | 19:04 |
| geser | am I wrong? | 19:04 |
| Laney | oh so right | 19:04 |
| micahg | well, at least we have quorom now | 19:04 |
| Laney | do youw ant to chair? :-) | 19:04 |
| Laney | at least we have no applicants | 19:05 |
| micahg | right (which isn't a good thing per se) | 19:05 |
| cody-somerville | I think it is the first time thats happened in the history of the DMB :P | 19:06 |
| cody-somerville | However, today is a stat holiday in the US and Canada which might provide a partial explanation. | 19:06 |
| * micahg will be on next meeting's agenda hopefully | 19:07 | |
| Laney | exciting! | 19:07 |
| Laney | bah | 19:07 |
| Laney | #startmeeting | 19:07 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Mon Oct 10 19:07:40 2011 UTC. The chair is Laney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. | 19:07 |
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| Laney | you slackers :P | 19:07 |
| * micahg hugs laney | 19:07 | |
| Laney | #topic Review of previous action items | 19:08 |
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| micahg | Laney: I chaired last week :P | 19:08 |
| Laney | #subtopic Laney to start thread on ubuntu-devel about renaming UCD | 19:08 |
| Laney | done, did everyone see it? | 19:08 |
| micahg | yes, I still need to respond | 19:08 |
| Laney | i think we should let it run until the next meeting and then look before than | 19:09 |
| Laney | can someone volunteer to prepare a summary? | 19:09 |
| Laney | and/or proposals | 19:09 |
| Laney | erm, ok, never mind | 19:11 |
| Laney | #subtopic jono to ask Daniel to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers to be easier to read | 19:11 |
| Laney | he did this, the url is at http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/JzyYyxw0Qb | 19:11 |
| Laney | please edit it at your leisure, at some point i imagine daniel will commit it to the wiki | 19:12 |
| Laney | #subtopic cody-somerville to write some documentation on how to endorse someone | 19:12 |
| Laney | not done? | 19:12 |
| cody-somerville | I've started this but haven't had much time to work on it since. | 19:12 |
| Laney | ok, hopefully next time | 19:13 |
| * bdrung arrives. | 19:13 | |
| cody-somerville | I'm wondering, is most folks on the DMB going to be at UDS? | 19:13 |
| Laney | yep | 19:13 |
| cody-somerville | *are | 19:13 |
| micahg | well, I'll be there and I assume stgraber will be as well | 19:14 |
| cody-somerville | I think it would be a good idea to schedule a private meeting for the DMB. | 19:14 |
| * geser is not at UDS | 19:14 | |
| * bdrung will not at UDS | 19:15 | |
| Laney | haven't seen persia in an age, don't know if he is still around | 19:15 |
| geser | he is probably busy with other stuff and will reappear in a couple of weeks (like last time) | 19:16 |
| cody-somerville | geser, bdrung: Would you be able to participate remotely in such a meeting? | 19:16 |
| bdrung | cody-somerville: depends on the time | 19:16 |
| Laney | would have to be late I guess | 19:17 |
| geser | depends on the time (and if I need to get any special tools setup to participate) | 19:17 |
| Laney | for .euers | 19:17 |
| bdrung | how late? | 19:17 |
| bdrung | late is good in most cases | 19:17 |
| micahg | well, we'll be at UTC-4 | 19:18 |
| Laney | right, well let's work it on on list | 19:18 |
| Laney | will we have a scheduled meeting then? | 19:18 |
| Laney | no | 19:18 |
| Laney | cody-somerville: can you mail marianna and such to get a room? | 19:18 |
| cody-somerville | Laney, Aye. | 19:19 |
| Laney | I think they usually have conference call facilities, but no idea how it works | 19:19 |
| Laney | carrying on | 19:19 |
| cody-somerville | I'll see what I can come up with. | 19:19 |
| Laney | #subtopic stgraber to publish packageset generation script so the rest of the DMB can help maintain it | 19:19 |
| Laney | not here, does anyone know if this happened? | 19:20 |
| cody-somerville | I think it may have | 19:21 |
| cody-somerville | can't say for sure though | 19:21 |
| geser | the page with the results was mailed, but not the script itself IIRC | 19:21 |
| Laney | a branch under ~developer-membership-board on LP would be good | 19:21 |
| Laney | i'll poke him to publish it | 19:21 |
| Laney | #action Laney to poke stgraber about publishing package set script | 19:22 |
| meetingology | ACTION: Laney to poke stgraber about publishing package set script | 19:22 |
| Laney | #subtopic James Page | 19:22 |
| Laney | approved for core-dev | 19:22 |
| Laney | micahg: where do we stand with motu? | 19:22 |
| micahg | that was taken care of | 19:22 |
| Laney | application falls? | 19:22 |
| micahg | Laney: well, yeah, I didn't send out the second vote for MOTU since it seemed pointeless | 19:22 |
| Laney | ok, as long as there is nothing left to do | 19:23 |
| Laney | i want to get this position statement out though | 19:23 |
| Laney | can you take care of it, if everybody is ok with the proposed text? | 19:23 |
| cody-somerville | Laney, Position statement on what again? | 19:23 |
| micahg | before the next meeting? yeah, I can do that | 19:23 |
| * bdrung is ok with it. | 19:23 | |
| Laney | how we handle people applying for redundant permissions | 19:23 |
| Laney | 'social' applications | 19:23 |
| cody-somerville | Is there any pressing reason to release a statement ASAP? I haven't read it yet. | 19:25 |
| Laney | not ASAP, but I want it to happen | 19:25 |
| Laney | please do comment | 19:25 |
| cody-somerville | Without reading it, I'm inclined to say it is probably something that I'd like for us to discuss at our meeting at UDS. | 19:26 |
| Laney | ok, well... | 19:26 |
| Laney | #action cody-somerville to follow up on position statement | 19:26 |
| meetingology | ACTION: cody-somerville to follow up on position statement | 19:26 |
| Laney | (on-list) | 19:26 |
| Laney | :-) | 19:26 |
| Laney | #topic Administrative Matters | 19:26 |
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| Laney | do we have anything left to discuss about the survey? | 19:26 |
| * cody-somerville doesn't at this point. | 19:27 | |
| Laney | let's leave that | 19:28 |
| Laney | onto the meat | 19:28 |
| Laney | #subtopic Continue discussion about our package set management workflows | 19:29 |
| Laney | I had a proposal that I typed out somewhere, but I can't remember where | 19:29 |
| Laney | basically | 19:29 |
| Laney | - As a matter of policy, each package set has a single uploader, which is a team. The DMB can either handle applications to the team or delegate to an appopriate council if one is set up. | 19:30 |
| Laney | - Applications for new package sets must come with some clear criteria that the DMB can apply when adding subsequent packages in future | 19:31 |
| Laney | - Package additions are done by requesting on devel-permissions. Any DMB member will check against the criteria and add if it matches (or feed back if not). | 19:32 |
| Laney | possibly some kind of objection raising period? | 19:32 |
| bdrung | sounds good so far | 19:32 |
| Laney | so the only real change is that we require these criteria when approving new sets | 19:33 |
| Laney | I really dislike making people come to meetings for these kind of additions which in most cases should be a formality | 19:33 |
| * bdrung agrees. | 19:34 | |
| * micahg also agrees | 19:35 | |
| geser | I agree too but unless we have a policy how to manage package sets, I prefered to have it done in the meeting just to be sure (as the original list of packages was also vote on in a meeting) | 19:35 |
| Laney | what kind of policy? | 19:36 |
| Laney | you mean, unless we agree on something like this? | 19:36 |
| geser | any policy, till now there is no policy at all | 19:36 |
| Laney | aye | 19:36 |
| Laney | so I suppose a policy should be added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers/TeamDelegation ? | 19:38 |
| Laney | or is there some other page? | 19:38 |
| ScottK | Since you're delegated from the TB, it might not be bad to have them approve the policy. | 19:39 |
| ScottK | Then there's no question about are you doing it right. | 19:39 |
| geser | IIRC there is no documentation of package sets at all (besides many people knowing that they exist) | 19:39 |
| Laney | that is true, I will copy them in | 19:39 |
| * Laney thinks TeamDelegation is what we have | 19:39 | |
| Laney | so if I do that, and the TB thinks the idea is ok, can someone else volunteer to mail people running existing package sets and ask them to come up with criteria? | 19:41 |
| Laney | #action Laney to write down proposal for streamlining packageset changes and mail DMB and TB | 19:41 |
| meetingology | ACTION: Laney to write down proposal for streamlining packageset changes and mail DMB and TB | 19:41 |
| Laney | :( | 19:43 |
| micahg | Laney: I can talk to the packageset owners' | 19:44 |
| micahg | just might not happen before UDS | 19:44 |
| Laney | no massive rush | 19:45 |
| Laney | just ping them all "hey, you can make it easy to get new packages if you tell us how to evaluate them" | 19:45 |
| Laney | #action micahg to ping packageset owners to write down criteria for package membership | 19:46 |
| meetingology | ACTION: micahg to ping packageset owners to write down criteria for package membership | 19:46 |
| Laney | #topic AOB | 19:46 |
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| micahg | next chair? | 19:47 |
| Laney | ah yes | 19:48 |
| Laney | #topic next chair | 19:48 |
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| Laney | we should become more systematic | 19:48 |
| Laney | alphabetical rotation or so | 19:48 |
| micahg | well, I did last week ,so stgraber? (also not here :)) | 19:49 |
| Laney | well volunteered! | 19:49 |
| ajmitch | poor stgraber | 19:50 |
| * Laney cackles | 19:50 | |
| Laney | #topic aob again | 19:50 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: aob again | ||
| Laney | going | 19:50 |
| Laney | going… | 19:50 |
| Laney | gone, thanks all | 19:51 |
| Laney | #endmeeting | 19:51 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon Oct 10 19:51:21 2011 UTC. | 19:51 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-10-10-19.07.moin.txt | 19:51 |
| micahg | thanks Laney | 19:53 |
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| micahg | Laney: now that I think about it, we could've gone reverse alphabetical order | 19:53 |
| Laney | ah well | 19:53 |
| Laney | micahg: looking forward to seeing you on the other side of the fence again next time! | 19:57 |
| * Laney turns up the heat | 19:57 | |
| micahg | Laney: hehe, I guess I'll be doing some jumping next meeting, I better warm up :) | 19:58 |
| * bdrung want to have the 'reverse alphabetical order' card | 19:58 | |
| * micahg wonders if it was wise to volunteer the chair for the next meeting when he's an applicant... | 19:58 | |
| broder | omg canonical biases :-P | 19:59 |
| geser | micahg: you can interview then yourself :) | 19:59 |
| * ajmitch regrets not volunteering for a DMB nomination now :) | 19:59 | |
| micahg | geser: no, I volunteered someone else | 19:59 |
| geser | ajmitch: your next chance is around Jan/Feb 2012 when 5/7 of the DMB expire | 20:01 |
| ajmitch | no doubt most will stand for reelection | 20:03 |
| micahg | geser: the term was only 1 yr? | 20:03 |
| geser | micahg: I'm not sure anymore if it's 1 or 2 years | 20:04 |
| micahg | the next election should be for bdrung's seat next year sometime | 20:04 |
| geser | micahg: cody-somerville, persia, Laney, stgraber and me expire on 2012-02-13 (a good chance to ajmitch to get a seat) | 20:05 |
| geser | bdrung has time till Nov 2012 | 20:05 |
| Laney | launchpad thinks we are 1, which is fine by me | 20:06 |
| ajmitch | why is Laney the only special one with a short term on LP? | 20:07 |
| geser | only micahg got elected for 2 years :) (not sure about bdrung) | 20:07 |
| * micahg also has 2 yrs, thinks there was an error seeding the elected from Feb | 20:07 | |
| * bdrung got elected for 2 years | 20:07 | |
| geser | ajmitch: the others got re-elected Feb 2011 | 20:08 |
| * micahg will write the TB about the error unless asked not to | 20:08 | |
| ajmitch | as long as the team stays with enough members, it shouldn't matter too much | 20:08 |
| geser | micahg: I don't mind but I hoped to have my term end in Feb 2012. 4 years of MC/DMB are enough for now. | 20:13 |
| geser | ajmitch: I can nominate you for my seat when my term ends :) | 20:13 |
| ajmitch | gee thanks :) | 20:13 |
| micahg | geser: in that case, do you want to send the e-mail to the TB and request your term to be left alone? | 20:13 |
| geser | micahg: I will mail the TB and ask about the term for the DMB and let the other ones get updated | 20:14 |
| micahg | geser: thanks | 20:14 |
| geser | ajmitch: we need more timezones in the DMB to make finding a meeting time more challenging :) | 20:15 |
| micahg | we already have 3 disparate time zones, we need more? | 20:16 |
| ajmitch | I'm an expert in that area - noone can meeting time to accomodate UTC+13, US & europe | 20:18 |
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