=== ejat- is now known as ejat === zz_bigbash is now known as bigbash === bigbash is now known as zz_bigbash === micahg_ is now known as micahg === noy_ is now known as noy === doko_ is now known as doko === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === TheDaniel0108 is now known as Danile0018 === Danile0018 is now known as Daniel0108 === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === Zic_ is now known as Zic === plars is now known as plars-holiday === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [15:01] jedimike, not sure how many people will show up for the UF meeting :) [15:02] o/ [15:02] victorp, schwuk, brendand, akgraner? [15:02] ara: ? [15:03] hi [15:03] ara? [15:03] * schwuk only just joined [15:03] o/ I'm here [15:03] schwuk, I was just counting :) [15:03] o/ here too [15:03] OK, let's get started [15:03] #startmeeting [15:03] Meeting started Mon Oct 10 15:03:28 2011 UTC. The chair is ara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [15:03] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [15:03] Today we don't have a fixed agenda, just a Q&A + general discussion [15:04] so, if you want to participate, just raise your hand [15:04] .. [15:04] o/ [15:04] has everyone submitted their systems yet? .. [15:04] * ara has submitted hers [15:05] * brendand has [15:05] * victorp got 4+ stars [15:05] * brendand needs blank cd's and a firewire device ;) [15:06] jedimike, I have seen that my system still shows vga external monitor result [15:06] ara: what's the url for your system? [15:06] http://107.20.216.30/11.10/LENOVO/4171CTO/I:D8Wuop:Ek:I8g:CPe:B9ip:EZ0:I8g:BI3:I8g/ [15:06] brendand, is blanks CDs not a skipeable core test? [15:06] jedimike, ^^ [15:07] victorp, brendand, yes it is skippable [15:07] brendand, oh you mean for 5 stars [15:07] victorp - exactly [15:07] ara - so small community then ;) [15:08] o/ [15:08] ara: can you raise that as a bug, it shouldn't be in there now [15:08] jedimike, mmm, didn't I raise a bug about that before? [15:09] jedimike, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-friendly/+bug/868972 [15:09] Ubuntu bug 868972 in Ubuntu Friendly "Categories with all the tests skipped, shouldn't appear in the list of components" [Medium,Fix released] [15:09] you lied! [15:09] :D [15:09] brendand, go ahead [15:10] ara: yes and we got it fixed, but this is a different bug. The problem is that the powersaving test is in 'monitor' which is 'vga external video' in UF [15:10] i just wanted to ask how many people are seeing the annoying problem with checkbox hiding when running tests? [15:10] .. [15:10] jedimike, OK, I'll raise a bug [15:10] * ara sees the annoying bug [15:12] me [15:12] brendand, is it a checkbox issue or unity? [15:14] victorp - i don't think it is a checkbox issue [15:14] victorp - same thing doesn't happen in unity 2-d for example [15:14] so do we know if it affects other tools/dialogs? [15:14] brendand, ah [15:15] victorp, but it might be a corner case that appeared because the gtk architecture of checkbox is weird [15:15] the main window is a gtkdialog, and the progress dialog is actually a gtkwindow [15:16] yes yes [15:17] i was about to say. yes [15:17] i haven't found an existing bug yet [15:18] we could change the ui to avoid the necessity to repeatedly hide the dialog (e.g. by building the progress bar into the main dialog) [15:18] but no quick fix it seems [15:19] akgraner, did you have the opportunity to give submit your system lately? [15:22] seems like akgraner is not around [15:23] OK, any other comments? [15:23] going once [15:24] going twice [15:24] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [15:24] Meeting ended Mon Oct 10 15:24:51 2011 UTC. [15:24] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-10-10-15.03.moin.txt [15:25] OK, thanks all! and tell your friends to submit their systems! :) [15:25] I'm sorry I lost wifi and had to run cable right quick...:-( [15:26] akgraner, no worries, actually I was asking you if you had had the opportunity to submit your system lately [15:27] ara upgrading now and will be doing that once I get the install completed [15:27] akgraner, awesome, let us know how that went [15:27] will do === micahg_ is now known as micahg === zz_bigbash is now known as bigbash [18:59] * micahg looks for people waiting for the DMB meeting... [19:00] hello [19:02] bdrung, cody-somerville, persia, stgraber meeting? [19:02] Hi [19:04] hi geser, here for the meeting? [19:04] am I wrong? [19:04] oh so right [19:04] well, at least we have quorom now [19:04] do youw ant to chair? :-) [19:05] at least we have no applicants [19:05] right (which isn't a good thing per se) [19:06] I think it is the first time thats happened in the history of the DMB :P [19:06] However, today is a stat holiday in the US and Canada which might provide a partial explanation. [19:07] * micahg will be on next meeting's agenda hopefully [19:07] exciting! [19:07] bah [19:07] #startmeeting [19:07] Meeting started Mon Oct 10 19:07:40 2011 UTC. The chair is Laney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [19:07] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [19:07] you slackers :P [19:07] * micahg hugs laney [19:08] #topic Review of previous action items === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Review of previous action items [19:08] Laney: I chaired last week :P [19:08] #subtopic Laney to start thread on ubuntu-devel about renaming UCD [19:08] done, did everyone see it? [19:08] yes, I still need to respond [19:09] i think we should let it run until the next meeting and then look before than [19:09] can someone volunteer to prepare a summary? [19:09] and/or proposals [19:11] erm, ok, never mind [19:11] #subtopic jono to ask Daniel to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers to be easier to read [19:11] he did this, the url is at http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/JzyYyxw0Qb [19:12] please edit it at your leisure, at some point i imagine daniel will commit it to the wiki [19:12] #subtopic cody-somerville to write some documentation on how to endorse someone [19:12] not done? [19:12] I've started this but haven't had much time to work on it since. [19:13] ok, hopefully next time [19:13] * bdrung arrives. [19:13] I'm wondering, is most folks on the DMB going to be at UDS? [19:13] yep [19:13] *are [19:14] well, I'll be there and I assume stgraber will be as well [19:14] I think it would be a good idea to schedule a private meeting for the DMB. [19:14] * geser is not at UDS [19:15] * bdrung will not at UDS [19:15] haven't seen persia in an age, don't know if he is still around [19:16] he is probably busy with other stuff and will reappear in a couple of weeks (like last time) [19:16] geser, bdrung: Would you be able to participate remotely in such a meeting? [19:16] cody-somerville: depends on the time [19:17] would have to be late I guess [19:17] depends on the time (and if I need to get any special tools setup to participate) [19:17] for .euers [19:17] how late? [19:17] late is good in most cases [19:18] well, we'll be at UTC-4 [19:18] right, well let's work it on on list [19:18] will we have a scheduled meeting then? [19:18] no [19:18] cody-somerville: can you mail marianna and such to get a room? [19:19] Laney, Aye. [19:19] I think they usually have conference call facilities, but no idea how it works [19:19] carrying on [19:19] I'll see what I can come up with. [19:19] #subtopic stgraber to publish packageset generation script so the rest of the DMB can help maintain it [19:20] not here, does anyone know if this happened? [19:21] I think it may have [19:21] can't say for sure though [19:21] the page with the results was mailed, but not the script itself IIRC [19:21] a branch under ~developer-membership-board on LP would be good [19:21] i'll poke him to publish it [19:22] #action Laney to poke stgraber about publishing package set script [19:22] ACTION: Laney to poke stgraber about publishing package set script [19:22] #subtopic James Page [19:22] approved for core-dev [19:22] micahg: where do we stand with motu? [19:22] that was taken care of [19:22] application falls? [19:22] Laney: well, yeah, I didn't send out the second vote for MOTU since it seemed pointeless [19:23] ok, as long as there is nothing left to do [19:23] i want to get this position statement out though [19:23] can you take care of it, if everybody is ok with the proposed text? [19:23] Laney, Position statement on what again? [19:23] before the next meeting? yeah, I can do that [19:23] * bdrung is ok with it. [19:23] how we handle people applying for redundant permissions [19:23] 'social' applications [19:25] Is there any pressing reason to release a statement ASAP? I haven't read it yet. [19:25] not ASAP, but I want it to happen [19:25] please do comment [19:26] Without reading it, I'm inclined to say it is probably something that I'd like for us to discuss at our meeting at UDS. [19:26] ok, well... [19:26] #action cody-somerville to follow up on position statement [19:26] ACTION: cody-somerville to follow up on position statement [19:26] (on-list) [19:26] :-) [19:26] #topic Administrative Matters === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Administrative Matters [19:26] do we have anything left to discuss about the survey? [19:27] * cody-somerville doesn't at this point. [19:28] let's leave that [19:28] onto the meat [19:29] #subtopic Continue discussion about our package set management workflows [19:29] I had a proposal that I typed out somewhere, but I can't remember where [19:29] basically [19:30] - As a matter of policy, each package set has a single uploader, which is a team. The DMB can either handle applications to the team or delegate to an appopriate council if one is set up. [19:31] - Applications for new package sets must come with some clear criteria that the DMB can apply when adding subsequent packages in future [19:32] - Package additions are done by requesting on devel-permissions. Any DMB member will check against the criteria and add if it matches (or feed back if not). [19:32] possibly some kind of objection raising period? [19:32] sounds good so far [19:33] so the only real change is that we require these criteria when approving new sets [19:33] I really dislike making people come to meetings for these kind of additions which in most cases should be a formality [19:34] * bdrung agrees. [19:35] * micahg also agrees [19:35] I agree too but unless we have a policy how to manage package sets, I prefered to have it done in the meeting just to be sure (as the original list of packages was also vote on in a meeting) [19:36] what kind of policy? [19:36] you mean, unless we agree on something like this? [19:36] any policy, till now there is no policy at all [19:36] aye [19:38] so I suppose a policy should be added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers/TeamDelegation ? [19:38] or is there some other page? [19:39] Since you're delegated from the TB, it might not be bad to have them approve the policy. [19:39] Then there's no question about are you doing it right. [19:39] IIRC there is no documentation of package sets at all (besides many people knowing that they exist) [19:39] that is true, I will copy them in [19:39] * Laney thinks TeamDelegation is what we have [19:41] so if I do that, and the TB thinks the idea is ok, can someone else volunteer to mail people running existing package sets and ask them to come up with criteria? [19:41] #action Laney to write down proposal for streamlining packageset changes and mail DMB and TB [19:41] ACTION: Laney to write down proposal for streamlining packageset changes and mail DMB and TB [19:43] :( [19:44] Laney: I can talk to the packageset owners' [19:44] just might not happen before UDS [19:45] no massive rush [19:45] just ping them all "hey, you can make it easy to get new packages if you tell us how to evaluate them" [19:46] #action micahg to ping packageset owners to write down criteria for package membership [19:46] ACTION: micahg to ping packageset owners to write down criteria for package membership [19:46] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [19:47] next chair? [19:48] ah yes [19:48] #topic next chair === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: next chair [19:48] we should become more systematic [19:48] alphabetical rotation or so [19:49] well, I did last week ,so stgraber? (also not here :)) [19:49] well volunteered! [19:50] poor stgraber [19:50] * Laney cackles [19:50] #topic aob again === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: aob again [19:50] going [19:50] going… [19:51] gone, thanks all [19:51] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [19:51] Meeting ended Mon Oct 10 19:51:21 2011 UTC. [19:51] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-10-10-19.07.moin.txt [19:53] thanks Laney === yofel_ is now known as yofel [19:53] Laney: now that I think about it, we could've gone reverse alphabetical order [19:53] ah well [19:57] micahg: looking forward to seeing you on the other side of the fence again next time! [19:57] * Laney turns up the heat [19:58] Laney: hehe, I guess I'll be doing some jumping next meeting, I better warm up :) [19:58] * bdrung want to have the 'reverse alphabetical order' card [19:58] * micahg wonders if it was wise to volunteer the chair for the next meeting when he's an applicant... [19:59] omg canonical biases :-P [19:59] micahg: you can interview then yourself :) [19:59] * ajmitch regrets not volunteering for a DMB nomination now :) [19:59] geser: no, I volunteered someone else [20:01] ajmitch: your next chance is around Jan/Feb 2012 when 5/7 of the DMB expire [20:03] no doubt most will stand for reelection [20:03] geser: the term was only 1 yr? [20:04] micahg: I'm not sure anymore if it's 1 or 2 years [20:04] the next election should be for bdrung's seat next year sometime [20:05] micahg: cody-somerville, persia, Laney, stgraber and me expire on 2012-02-13 (a good chance to ajmitch to get a seat) [20:05] bdrung has time till Nov 2012 [20:06] launchpad thinks we are 1, which is fine by me [20:07] why is Laney the only special one with a short term on LP? [20:07] only micahg got elected for 2 years :) (not sure about bdrung) [20:07] * micahg also has 2 yrs, thinks there was an error seeding the elected from Feb [20:07] * bdrung got elected for 2 years [20:08] ajmitch: the others got re-elected Feb 2011 [20:08] * micahg will write the TB about the error unless asked not to [20:08] as long as the team stays with enough members, it shouldn't matter too much [20:13] micahg: I don't mind but I hoped to have my term end in Feb 2012. 4 years of MC/DMB are enough for now. [20:13] ajmitch: I can nominate you for my seat when my term ends :) [20:13] gee thanks :) [20:13] geser: in that case, do you want to send the e-mail to the TB and request your term to be left alone? [20:14] micahg: I will mail the TB and ask about the term for the DMB and let the other ones get updated [20:14] geser: thanks [20:15] ajmitch: we need more timezones in the DMB to make finding a meeting time more challenging :) [20:16] we already have 3 disparate time zones, we need more? [20:18] I'm an expert in that area - noone can meeting time to accomodate UTC+13, US & europe === jpds_ is now known as jpds === noy_ is now known as noy