[05:01] Morning [05:08] hi [05:12] GirlyGirl: early one for you! [05:12] daftykins: Yup [05:12] daftykins: You too [05:13] i wish [05:13] late unfortunately :S [05:26] morning everyone [05:27] \o [05:27] ahoyhoy [05:45] Does anyone know any good programs in linux to manage your rss feed ? [05:45] as in : Make my own podcast feed [05:55] knightwise: I'm guessing popey might know ;) [05:56] knightwise: listgarden [05:56] thanx :) [05:56] i'm givin it a google [05:57] knightwise: Why not a bing .. sounds better [05:57] Lol :) [06:26] hahahaha :) I haz my OSX Virtual machine purring along quite nicely :) [06:39] oh yeah not run mine in a while [06:39] its pretty spiffy [06:39] shame about the OS [06:39] ;) [06:39] got them workin headless using vmware and stuff :) pretty nifty [06:44] Going to see if I can build a headless box with 2 or 3 of those vm's on there and ship it off to a friends house [06:44] would be great to use it for remote backups and more [06:48] =] [06:50] and that vboxmanage command does pack some punch : [06:54] Ps : i wrote up an article on the Virtualisation thing http://www.knightwise.com/blog/technology/872-sliders-resort-to-running-osx-in-a-vm [07:41] knightwise: i might have a go at that later today [07:43] Morning all [08:18] morning diplo [08:22] Grrr [08:22] Gpodder stopped working from the command line cuz of some stupid locale settings [08:23] mrevell: darling dearest did you get people on friday for your thingymebobby [08:23] can anyone point me towards a site that shows how to direct all my network traffic through my vpn connection? My google fu is failing [08:23] czajkowski, I did not, no. Thanks for asking. I ended up getting tied up with other things, so I didn't manage to do put much time into recruiting people for it. [08:24] czajkowski, I think we'll have a working mock-up soon so I'll just wait to test that. [08:24] mrevell: wanna do it now [08:24] am free and tis early and noboyd is in [08:24] czajkowski, Yeah, why not? :) Cheers. I'll email you the slides. [08:25] mrevell: coolio [08:25] skype ? [08:26] Morning peeps :) [08:31] hmm [08:31] i haz made bubu [08:31] i has installed lxde on remote machine [08:31] now machine way to slow [08:31] quiestion is : In russia .. how to kill lxde off system [08:33] Happy Monday, all! [08:36] White Stripes, JamesTait [08:37] small question. If i want my Ubuntu to boot into command line only (for speed issues) where do i change that setting ? [08:38] you need to set a default runlevel [08:38] you could duplicate the boot entry in GRUB config and have one boot as runlevel 0 or something [08:38] although i do recall ubuntu doesn't use runlevels as other distros do [08:39] daftykins: whats the correct one (no single user mode , system still needs to be accesable via sftp and stuff) [08:39] nope i've convinced myself out of that one XD [08:39] i'm too newb i'm afraid! total guess that was === dipl0 is now known as diplo [08:42] just disable lightdm from starting automatically [08:43] Morning all [08:43] on unity if I have something maximised in the background and something not maximised in the foreground how do I minimize the background app without having to first select it? [08:43] popey: ! [08:44] freckle: you can't [08:44] ali1234: huh? how is the productive? [08:44] it isn't [08:44] unity sucks [08:44] ? [08:44] on 11.10 can you ditch unity?# [08:45] sure [08:45] its one tiny extra click, i wouldn't say its the most unproductive thing in the world [08:45] you can use gnome-shell, or gnome-fallback, or kde, or xfce [08:45] gord: that one tiny extra click involves looking around on the app for somewhere safe to click, else you make it do something you don't want [08:45] that was fun [08:46] * czajkowski hugs mrevell [08:46] well no, you can click the launcher [08:46] gord: the rest of the world tries get rid of extra clicks.. unity makes them a feature [08:46] measuring how productive UI's are by counting clicks is maybe the worst statistical measurement you can do [08:46] gord: so it's a move to the left, wait for launcher, find the right icon for the app, then click it [08:47] gord: well you're the one saying "it's only 1 click" :) [08:47] if you happen to want to do it that way, or you can just click on the application if its visible, or you can alt tab to it [08:47] the real problem is that you have to hunt around for the icon, or a safe spot [08:47] it's not about clicks, it's abut having to hunt around for stuff [08:47] alt-tab is also a fail, i have to find the right icon that is associated with the app [08:47] all these things involve a lookup in my brain [08:48] i can't just "minimize this window without caring what it is" [08:49] so now i have to 1. figure out what app the window belongs to. 2. figure out if it is safe to click 3. if it isn't, try to remember what it's icon looks like and then hunt for it in alt tab or launcher [08:49] vs the old method "just click the minimize button" [08:50] OS roulette [08:51] I've only just started trying out Unity on my laptop. I don't care how late I am to the game. Doesn't seem to be a very productive interface to me. Having everything maximised is not optimal [08:53] I love it that way [08:53] Not sure how that will work with 3 monitors on my desktop though [08:53] bigcalm: extremely badly [08:54] Looks like I will keep Unity away from my workstation then :) [08:54] i recommend you to try it anyway [08:54] just to see how bad it is [08:54] Heh [08:54] besides, it's still better than *everything else* [08:55] I'll try, but not sure it'll work having a unified menu system [08:55] anyone know how you can reconfigure your locale settings ? Gpodder wont run anymore from the command line [08:56] dpkg-reconfigure locales ? [08:56] oh wrong approach maybe [09:02] good morning everyone. [09:02] :) morning brobostigon [09:03] morning hagisbasheruk :) [09:03] Morning [09:03] ohayo gozaimasu! [09:04] morning bigcalm and daftykins :) [09:04] ^_^ [09:04] I love that Japanese greeting. Sounds like one is sneezing [09:04] hehehe [09:04] Strange, this is the error i get even after i run dpkg-reconfigure locale http://pastebin.com/Ap9RDfAS (when i run gpodder from the command line) [09:05] interesting, i just found a domain setting on my router, so presumably, i could apply a domain, to the internal network. [09:06] sounds odd [09:07] odd? [09:07] yarr [09:07] why? [09:07] just not the usual way they work of course :) [09:08] very true, i thought it weird also, but it is there. [09:10] i'd do that with hosts file configs [09:10] good point, yes. [09:34] hey guyz , when i start up Gpodder from the command line , i get the following error http://pastebin.com/K0bnarNV [09:34] any idea how i can set those locale settings straight ? [09:45] happy one year since maverick [09:48] Should the mysql client that ships with 5.1 be able to connect to mysql 5.0? [10:03] morning all [10:04] mornin' [10:04] morning gord [10:04] davmor2, rather late in today aren't we? ;) [10:05] gord: my hours of work are 11:00 → 20:00 to tie in with the bulk of my team [10:06] davmor2, all US based? [10:08] gord: some in Europe but my boss was originally in US based and it was so we had some overlap. Now in the new team the one guy that can help me the most is Argentinian based so isn't on till midday-ish === Guest41060 is now known as Girly-Girl [10:19] how can the price of kindle books be justified when they are comparable to *hardback* prices? [10:19] czajkowski: prod [10:19] * czajkowski kicks davmor2 do not mention the rugby [10:20] czajkowski: Ireland to wales wt... [10:20] czajkowski: :P [10:20] davmor2: I'm warning you [10:21] oimon, i don't think they are trying to justify prices, the market decides and the market has up to now said that its an okay price [10:21] gord: are early adopters generally suckers? [10:21] czajkowski: I'm over here dancing a jig that my twitter feed will no longer be full of tweets about Irelands score any more :P [10:21] oimon, early adopters? the kindle has been around for years [10:22] /ignore davmor2 [10:22] davmor2: 2 more weeks of RWC :) [10:22] kindle is waaaaay past the early adopter period, its hugely successful [10:22] in the grand scheme of things, people with ebook readers vs other people is avery small part of the pop [10:23] oimon: kindle sales out sell paper now I'd hardly say that was the case [10:23] * Laney was just considering trying to snag a new kindle in orlando [10:23] czajkowski: I know but it won't have the same twitter inpact :D [10:24] czajkowski: here have a hug I know you're upset [10:24] * czajkowski pours water on davmor2 [10:24] brat [10:24] czajkowski: hopefully while I'm hugging you cause you'll get as wet :P [10:25] davmor2: where did you get that statistic? [10:25] oimon: bbc news, cnn news, the whole of the T'interwebz reported it [10:25] [citation needed] [10:26] oimon: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/kindle_e-books_now_outselling_all_paper_books_on_a.php [10:26] for one [10:27] i wonder if "sold" ebooks includes the free ones? [10:27] oimon: if you type in ebooks out sell paper books there are about 20 pages of it though :) [10:28] ah free ones are excluded [10:28] oimon: In which case it's left them way behind [10:30] oimon: My wife gets really cheap books off of amazon for her kindle and it's the books she wants, I think it depends on the manufacturer as much as amazon as it's the publisher that sets the price as much as it is amazon [10:31] oimon: so to be fair I think you'll find the kindle isn't so much flash in the pan or small fry as you think [10:32] i was hoping that the price of ebooks was artificially high and would come down :( [10:32] it seems that everyone is buying them though [10:32] as you point out [10:32] £10 for ebook, 10.72 for hardback :-\ [10:32] popey, How did you get on with the Android Joggler install? [10:33] its okay. has some issues [10:33] oimon: yeap but is there a paperback price available what you'll find is the paperback price sets the kindle price too [10:33] popey, I couldn't even get it to fire up.. Think all my USB drives are not compatible.. [10:33] how did you write it? [10:34] oimon: it's so the publisher makes as much [10:34] davmor2: and the govt.. [10:34] VAT on ebooks [10:39] whoo release party thursday [10:39] selinuxium: still coming [10:42] czajkowski, Hopefully :) [10:42] czajkowski: I'm still gonna try too just depends how our releases are going [10:42] all the best computer scientists were maths grads :P [10:43] * popey wonders if its safe to follow czajkowski on twitter again [10:44] popey: are your g+ exactly the same as tweets now? i.e. can one unfollow on twitter ? [10:44] popey: apparently not there are still 2 weeks left, however Ireland suck and got beaten by a new welsh team so who knows ..... /me wait for the plume of smoke to erupt from czajkowski [10:44] Monsterwizard: i did joint honours :P [10:45] hmm [10:46] oimon: not always, no [10:46] had a face-off yesterday at the in-laws between a ipad / touchpad and galaxy tab 10.1 [10:46] who won? [10:47] how do you even do a face-off? like, speed tests? [10:48] or just throw them at one and other and see which breaks first? [10:48] gord: get a screwdriver under the bezel, see how long it takes to pull the face off [10:48] heh [10:49] the ones on the galaxy tab are glued down really well [10:49] popey: yeah pretty much [10:49] wont be ranting and raving any more [10:49] the ipad uses the lightest, thinnest glue ever, but you need a special tool to get the cap off the bottle [10:59] the ipad had the best games, the galaxy had the best screen , the touchpad was the cheapest [10:59] galaxy has an interesting form factor, slightly longer and thinner [11:00] touchpad is nice with uberkernel and tweeks [11:00] webos got special mention for it's cards multitasking [11:00] czajkowski: popey she is lying she will always rant and rave on twitter it just won't be about the rugby anymore [11:00] ipad failed on multitask [11:02] so who owns the touchpad [11:03] * czajkowski kicks davmor2 oi [11:03] hagisbasheruk: moi [11:04] popey: ^ see you know it's true when she gets all offensive :D [11:04] Android cm7 release soon oimon :) [11:05] oimon: how you getting on with it now? [11:05] 7.1 was released this morning. That was a very long time from 7.1rc1 [11:05] davmor2: i like it, with more apps would be great. [11:05] on touchpad bigcalm ? [11:06] hagisbasheruk: no, in general [11:06] have you tweeked the hell out of it via preware oimon [11:06] bigcalm: how do you go about upgrading CM 7.0.x to 7.1? straightforward or destrcutive? [11:06] hagisbasheruk: I only care about my own Nexus One ;) [11:06] :) [11:06] hagisbasheruk: only as much as i need to. a couple of patches is all i added [11:07] oimon: used ROM Manager (ClockworkMod) and it 'just worked' (tm) [11:07] oimon: how did the ipad fail on multitask? [11:07] fast card switching patch is a must oimon :) [11:07] popey, sorry, missed your response.... I used dd [11:07] oimon: don't know about 7.0.x, I went from 7.1rc1 [11:08] But it will be just as easy I'm sure [11:08] selinuxium: odd, I did that too, you did dd to /dev/sdb and not /dev/sdb1 didnt you? [11:08] popey: the ipad v1 owner told me it was lame and didn't really multitask properly , so i took his word for it [11:09] popey, yup, I believe so... I will give it another go.. [11:09] Why has dabs.com recently started spamming me again? [11:09] oimon: thats hardly a test [11:09] i look forward to no chroot ubuntu on touchpad as i hate they way the devs have implamented using the webos onscreen keyboard in ubuntu [11:10] any of you guys got the HTC Desire ? [11:10] popey: no, but he forfeited the round optionally :) [11:10] diplo: i have it [11:10] has he actually _used_ the device? [11:10] :D [11:10] popey: all the time, plays a lot of games it seems [11:10] he is making a game too [11:11] Am I the only one who can't get the new Ubuntu countdown banner to work? [11:12] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/countdown that one? [11:12] popey: yes that one, it saying 8 days to go [11:13] oh i hope they dump that stupid new desktop [11:13] seen someone say that in -website a few hrs ago [11:13] hagisbasheruk: unity? [11:13] hagisbasheruk: Unity? [11:13] yup it sux [11:13] plus they're all showing the same version [11:13] hagisbasheruk: bad luck :) [11:14] other desktops are available [11:14] i know but unity should not be standard [11:14] like KDE, XFCE and whichever one Lubuntu uses [11:14] LXDE [11:14] hagisbasheruk: why? [11:14] i like lxde :) [11:15] * oimon is getting impatient wating to see what elementary will look like [11:15] i am liking webos gui , ubuntu/linux should clone that [11:15] Minecraft for android goodness... https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mojang.minecraftpe&feature=more_from_developer [11:16] popey, what issues did you have with the android install? was the market available? [11:16] not properly, no [11:16] it wouldnt sync gmail [11:17] beeb player wouldnt play audio [11:17] enough issues to make it unusable [11:17] hehe beep [11:17] forgot that even existed [11:18] popey: Xalior maybe able to help you === Girly-Girl is now known as GirlyGirl [11:20] !ping [11:20] another contentless ping... sigh... [11:20] !pong [11:20] pong is an old atari game. It's fun! [11:20] TheOpenSourcerer: boo === GirlyGirl is now known as Guest24970 [11:20] Daviey: darling dearest....... [11:21] bah! [11:21] have shaken co-workers can of coke [11:21] he's taking too long to open it [11:21] HAHA [11:21] Office japes! [11:21] anyone got any distro suggestions for a 486 laptop with 16MB RAM? (puppy doesn't work) [11:21] they don't work as well as the old ring pull ones did [11:21] windows 98? [11:21] Windows 95? [11:22] slitaz [11:22] oh, there is another complication [11:22] cd drive is broken [11:22] door stop? [11:22] haha [11:22] i will give slitaz ago, heard of that one [11:22] hey cztab [11:22] An old version of suse. Floppy boot, and net install [11:22] dsl? [11:22] here we go [11:23] ftzzzzz [11:23] Pernig, try tiny core too [11:23] lfs? [11:23] cda0: i'm using microcore at the moment [11:23] it is running out of memory at boot [11:23] whats it going to be used for? [11:23] Daviey: darling are you in london yet [11:24] Daviey: Say no save yourself [11:24] ;) [11:24] popey: text editing and maybe as a terminal to SSH into my main machine [11:24] whats wrong with microcore? [11:24] i can't get it to boot :( [11:24] where is the main machine? [11:25] i'm talking to you on it :P [11:25] just wondering if it's worthwhile [11:25] time and effort + power consumption [11:25] Geeks - we do it because we can [11:25] probably not, but i am determined to get some use out of it! [11:26] it's an awesome little machine, the battery lasts about two hours [11:26] czajkowski: on the train right now \o/ [11:27] Daviey: you had better have the banner with you [11:27] * czajkowski waits for the pause [11:27] and swearing to not come across via IRC [11:28] * czajkowski notes the lack of comments from Daviey [11:29] Oh dear [11:29] Daviey: gets off the train and walks back home to get it [11:30] cz erk. [11:31] czajkowski: would you like me to sing you an oompa loompa song ? [11:33] oompa loompa dumpadedoo I've got another puzzle for you, why leave to Daviey what you can dooooo, he just a bloke and really busy toooo or words to that effect [11:34] Listen to Absolute 80s and it'll block out the Oompa Loompa song :) [11:35] bigcalm: haha I am listening to Absolute 80s on my dab radio and still have the oompa loompa song now :D [11:35] Ha [11:35] ohhhhh chromium in oneiric plays nicely with the kindle app [11:35] * bigcalm fights for his right to party [11:36] i think czajkowski is gonna kill us all ... [11:36] knightwise: never happen she'd have no one to threaten to kill if she killed us [11:37] davmor2: that would indeed put a serious opening in her daily agenda . [11:37] knightwise: NO [11:38] Daviey: !!! [11:38] afternoon all [11:38] knightwise: I heared the Oompa Loompa song yesterday, coincidentally enough [11:38] hi kazade [11:38] * dwatkins hums it === kazade_ is now known as kazade [11:38] hoya [11:39] also, hiya [11:41] kazade: aloha [11:41] hey czajkowski [11:41] how's things? [11:41] kazade: good was in your place last week [11:42] you were?! [11:42] cool :D [11:42] no-one tells me anything :p [11:44] kazade: that's cause you'd know as much as them if they did [11:45] heh [11:45] i'll be able to pick on of these babies up for 250 euro's . Any thoughts ? http://www.anandtech.com/show/4018/asus-eeepc-1215n-ng-ion/1 [11:47] knightwise: it's an over sized netbook [11:48] heh atom and ion? gonna get hot [11:48] but it'll decode 1080p content [11:48] if you are on linux [11:49] knightwise: wait for the transformer 2 to come out and pick up the transformer for a song instead :) [11:51] of COURSE i"ll be on linux gord :) [11:51] allthough I AM looking to hackintosh that baby too [11:51] just cuz i can [11:51] (at least i hope i can) [11:51] but a dual boot osx - mint would be sweet [11:52] davmor2: i reviewed the transformer 1 on www.knightwise.com ... its not all that its hyped up to be [11:52] yeah i just thought i'd specify because windows doesn't have access to the same API's :) [11:52] gord :) Pretty funny .. asus new taggline should be : does less with windows [11:56] * oimon watches knightwise video about transformer, and notices a picture of popey on the tablet :-o [11:56] o_O [11:56] http://www.knightwise.com/kwtv-screencast/848-kwtv0028-reviewing-the-asus-eeepad-transformer go to 4:54 [11:57] yeah .. it became an X-rated podcast about there [11:58] i dont see it [11:58] top lfet [11:58] oh, i see [11:58] good spot! [11:59] * knightwise wonders if he will have to pay popey royalties now. [11:59] this video is too long and i'm getting hungry..why didn't you like the taransformer? [12:00] cuz its not a netbook and neither a real tablet [12:00] it looks and feels like a laptop [12:00] but it doesnt act like a laptop [12:00] only when the kb is connected [12:00] i thought it was quite nice [12:00] i have not been able to determine any difference between "netbook" and "laptop" [12:00] played with one at uupc recording [12:00] popey: what did you think of it ? [12:01] nice device [12:01] if i had the money to spend on a tablet, i would choose the transformer over the gal tab [12:01] although i do think that convertibles are too heavy to use as tablets [12:01] the transformer isnt thatheav [12:01] also like that the tablet charges from the keyboard when it's docked [12:02] typing on a tablet touch screen is a pain [12:02] i think that an optional keyboard suddenly makes a tablet more useful [12:02] well so is typing on a netbook [12:02] typing on anything that isn't a full size proper good keyboard sucks [12:02] basically anything that isn't a model M [12:03] heh [12:03] * popey hugs his model m [12:04] i have the minimalist lexmark version [12:04] unfortunately it doesn't work properly on modern computers [12:04] i don't think they supply enough current on PS/2 [12:04] i am currently using logitech G19 [12:04] and for a £100 keyboard, the key actions is ramarkably bad [12:06] Lexmark is used to building cheap hardware.. but keyboards don't work on expensive ink ;) [12:06] lexmark built all the later model M keyboards to the exact same design, but they also made a small model with the same keys but a much smaller body [12:07] http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/keyboard1.jpg [12:09] \o/ Altoids! [12:16] hello all [12:34] android users may have noticed a new option in the android market which is autochecked : show ads based on interests [12:35] but you can uncheck [12:35] yes [12:35] it's been there for months now [12:35] that's the problem [12:35] :) [12:35] only just noticed it [12:36] however, if it means that i don't get ads for stephen fry books every 5 seconds on the market app, then i'm all for it [12:40] anyone know anything about the google ebooks format? [12:40] read a whole article on the telegraph that didn't mention the format [12:41] oimon: I think they're mostly epub or pdf formats [12:42] http://books.google.com/help/ebooks/content.html This page only seems to mention epub & pdf [12:42] DJones: does epub allow drm? [12:42] http://books.google.com/help/ebooks/content.html yeah, as DJones says [12:42] yes it does (it seems from that page) [12:43] ah, didn't know that [12:44] but epub doesn't work on kindle AFAIK [12:45] correct [12:45]