[05:04] <Kilos> morning superfly nuvolari and others
[05:04] <superfly> sjoe oom, up early this morning!
[05:05] <Kilos> yeah got a thumper
[05:05] <superfly> eina
[05:06] <Kilos> have a good day superfly 
[05:08] <superfly> thanks oom, I hope your headache clears up soon
[05:08] <Kilos> ty my friend
[05:29] <nlsthzn> o/
[05:30] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn 
[05:33] <nlsthzn> Hey uncle Kilos , all well?
[05:33] <Kilos> yes ty nlsthzn  and there
[05:33] <Kilos> ?
[05:34] <nlsthzn> All well, fuzzy but awake
[05:34] <Kilos> lol
[05:38] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[05:38]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[05:42] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[05:42] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks
[05:42] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay :-)
[05:59] <magespawn> morning all
[06:00] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[06:00] <magespawn> one of these days i will get in here before you.
[06:01] <Kilos> lol. its the fly you gotta beat not me
[06:02] <magespawn> the fly might be here but seems to sit in the corner until there is a problem, not really up for general conversation.
[06:02] <Kilos> and greets always
[06:02] <Kilos> proper gentleman
[06:02] <magespawn> yup
[06:03] <Kilos> no time for just chatting him
[06:03] <Kilos> he is a busy busy fella
[06:03] <Kilos> Tonberry, wb
[06:04] <magespawn> Kilos you are the maitre d'Ubuntu-za.
[06:05] <Kilos> only when i got enough data yes
[06:05] <Kilos> i greet and welcome noobs etc
[06:05] <Kilos> and get helped with probs
[06:07] <Kilos> you have put your name in yet even
[06:07] <Kilos> sigh
[06:07] <Kilos> so slack
[06:07] <magespawn> say what?
[06:07] <superfly> I'm very busy at the moment :-(
[06:07] <Kilos> unless its actually unknown
[06:07] <superfly> End of the month I'm leaving this job, so then I'll have more time to chat :-)
[06:07] <magespawn> ahh the fly is here. lol
[06:07] <Kilos> are you using xchat magespawn 
[06:08] <sakhi> Morning
[06:08] <magespawn> thats cool
[06:08] <magespawn> yup
[06:08] <Kilos> hiya sakhi 
[06:08] <superfly> Kilos: and then I won't be in early anymore... I'll be sleeping in! (well, as much as my 2 year old will allow)
[06:08] <Kilos> ha ha zac will sort you out superfly 
[06:09] <sakhi> superfly: time flies, he's two years already.
[06:10] <magespawn> 2 year olds do not let you sleep in. superfly you going to work from home?
[06:10] <superfly> sakhi: yeah... 2 years and 2 months currently
[06:10] <superfly> magespawn: yeah\
[06:11] <magespawn> thats a new challange altogether.
[06:11] <magespawn> Kilos why did you ask?
[06:12] <Kilos> i like to right click on the nicks and see who i am talking to
[06:12] <Kilos> like whois
[06:12] <magespawn> ahh right will remedy.
[06:13] <superfly> magespawn: it's not a must, but it is nice :-)
[06:15] <Kilos> then we know to swear at you in english or afrikaans
[06:22] <magespawn> ha. either one is good my wife is afrikaans.
[06:22] <Kilos> no man, we dont wanna swear at your wife
[06:22] <Kilos> she is innocent
[06:28] <Kilos> yo scar[w] 
[06:29] <magespawn> she could translate is what i mean, and i have a fair to poor understanding of the language anyways
[06:29] <magespawn> lol
[06:29] <Kilos> lol
[06:29] <Kilos> just joking
[06:34] <magespawn> there we go. it is done on the laptop.
[06:34] <Kilos> hmmm not here
[06:35] <magespawn> just changed it now.
[06:35] <Kilos> run a /whois magespawn 
[06:37] <Kilos> did you tell freenode magespawn 
[06:37] <Kilos> i forget how, was a long job for me
[06:38] <magespawn> no i thought you meant to put it in user info in xchat
[06:38] <Kilos> maybe you gotta close and open xchat again
[06:39] <magespawn> okay brb.
[06:39] <Kilos> magespawn, wb
[06:39] <Kilos> yay clever fella
[06:39] <Kilos> well done
[06:41] <Kilos> morning drussell 
[06:41] <drussell> Kilos: morning :o)
[06:55] <nuvolari> mornings o/
[06:55] <Kilos> môre nuvolari 
[07:02] <Kilos> hi |3o|3 
[07:06] <nuvolari> more oom Kilos, hoe gaan dit vanoggend?
[07:06] <Kilos> ok dankie nuvolari en daar?
[08:19] <magespawn> later all going on a game drive.
[10:33] <zeref> ahhhh, eprom,eeprom,mrom, sram dram prom, flash memory, uvprom, so many
[10:33] <zeref> memory overload in brain
[12:08] <Kilos> sigh this channel keeps shrinking
[12:09] <Kilos> we had 45 guys here once
[12:09] <Kilos> sigh
[12:10] <Vhata> pff
[12:10] <Vhata> 00:55 -!- Irssi: #ubuntu-za: Total of 3 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 3 normal]
[12:11] <Vhata> I remember when it was just me and linuxboy and ChanServ hanging out in here
[12:11] <Kilos> whew musta been tough back then
[12:11] <Kilos> no one to share coffee with
[12:16] <linuxboy> wow, channel has grown!
[12:16] <Kilos> lol hiya linuxboy 
[12:16] <linuxboy> hi Kilos 
[12:17] <linuxboy> still getting Maaz to make you tea every morning?
[12:17] <Kilos> yeah and often through the day as well
[12:17] <Kilos> you well linuxboy 
[12:17] <Kilos> ?
[12:17] <linuxboy> ja
[12:17] <linuxboy> you?
[12:17] <Kilos> good as well ty
[12:18] <linuxboy> just a quick drive by
[12:18] <linuxboy> kbe
[12:18] <linuxboy> kbye
[12:18] <Kilos> whew someone told him to just pop in hey Vhata ?
[12:19] <Kilos> too much coincidence otherwise
[12:21] <Vhata> he sits behind me
[12:21] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[12:21] <Kilos> did you kick him?
[12:21] <Kilos> hehe
[12:21] <Vhata> I showed him what you were saying
[12:21] <Kilos> ah
[12:55] <superfly> afternoon morgs
[12:56] <morgs> hi superfly 
[12:56] <Kilos> hi morgs 
[12:57] <morgs> hi Kilos 
[12:58] <morgs> Odd, my oneiric machine needed manual fdsking after a reboot
[13:45] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn  ghostknife 
[13:46] <nlsthzn> hello again Kilos 
[14:37] <zeref> hmmmmm
[14:39] <zeref> anybody thats using 10.04 or 10.10, tried gnome3?
[14:50] <Kilos> have you zeref ?
[14:50] <Kilos> you not scared
[15:00] <zeref> hi Kilos
[15:00] <zeref> have not tried
[15:01] <zeref> was wondering whether its stable?
[15:01] <Kilos> Maaz, is gnome3 stable in ubuntu lucid
[15:01] <Maaz> Kilos: *blink*
[15:01] <Kilos> grrr
[15:02] <Kilos> Maaz, google  is gnome3 stable in ubuntu lucid
[15:02] <zeref> lol
[15:02] <Maaz> Kilos: "how to install Gnome 3 on ubuntu 10.10-10.04" http://blog.sudobits.com/2011/04/24/how-to-install-gnome-3-on-ubuntu-10-10-10-04/ :: "how to install GNOME 3 on Ubuntu 11.04" http://blog.sudobits.com/2011/04/26/how-to-install-gnome-3-on-ubuntu-11-04/ :: "List of Ubuntu releases - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases :: "Ubuntu (operating system) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http:
[15:02] <zeref> have you tried?
[15:03] <Kilos> no im scared, and can it be better than gnome 2 anyway
[15:03] <Kilos> there must be some reason gor going to unity
[15:03] <Kilos> for/gor
[15:04] <zeref> yeah, did ubuntu mention why they are forking with gnome3?
[15:04] <Kilos> Maaz, google advantages of gnome3 over gnome2
[15:04] <Maaz> Kilos: "GNOME 3.0 Release Notes" http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.0/ :: "GnomeShell/Design - GNOME Live!" http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/ :: "GNOME - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME :: "What is the disadvantage to XFCE interface as compared GNOME in ..." http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=5507 :: "gnome - Why is Ubuntu 11.04 switching to Unity? - Ask Ubuntu ..." http://askubuntu
[15:04] <Kilos> i think nl tried it
[15:04] <zeref> webs are shapped heavlily now, so cant googles
[15:05] <zeref> check after 19:00
[15:05] <zeref> lol
[15:05] <Kilos> shaped?
[15:05] <Kilos> choked?
[15:06] <zeref> yeah
[15:06] <Kilos> it sucks hey
[15:06] <Kilos> that seacom cable is still out
[15:07] <Kilos> i did a clean install of maverick today
[15:07] <Kilos> twice actually
[15:07] <zeref> yeah, but i've not seem the effects yet, if seasom goes boom, they shape torrents/p2p
[15:07] <Kilos> first time saved the /home partition
[15:07] <zeref> bu tmy torernts still zoom
[15:08] <Kilos> ah
[15:08] <zeref> o0o0
[15:08] <zeref> why?
[15:08] <Kilos> i had some ugly bug somewhere that wouldnt allow pidgin to work properly
[15:08] <Kilos> even with removing and purging
[15:09] <zeref> deep
[15:09] <Kilos> and reinstalling
[15:09] <zeref> clamAV?
[15:09] <Kilos> found 2 trojans but i was too doff to save the results
[15:09] <Kilos> i use clamtk
[15:10] <zeref> ohhh, thought it did that automatically
[15:10] <Kilos> one was somewhere in wine and other one deep in /home
[15:11] <Kilos> there is a block i ticked to not save them and just deleted
[15:11] <zeref> :P
[15:12] <zeref> so you lost /home with the 2nd install
[15:12] <Kilos> yeah i let it format /home too and prob gone
[15:16] <Kilos> luckily i have /var/cache/apt/archives/ rsync ed to an external so dont need to download any packages
[15:16] <Kilos> just had to apt-get update
[15:18] <zeref> when iturned to linux, i didn't know that if you did a reinstall, linux bombs everything
[15:18] <zeref> ohhh, thats was a good idea
[15:19] <zeref> btw, why do they call you oom?????
[15:19] <Kilos> lol
[15:19] <Kilos> i am 60
[15:19] <zeref> LOL
[15:20] <Kilos> yeah and they persist
[15:20] <Kilos> hi Conradvo 
[15:20] <Conradvo> hi
[15:20] <zeref> retired? thats why you on here so much :-D
[15:21] <Conradvo>  im new to this irc chat
[15:21] <zeref> welcome :D
[15:21] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za Conradvo 
[15:21] <Conradvo> thanks
[15:21] <Kilos> forced retirement
[15:22] <zeref> o0o0
[15:22] <Kilos> had an accident and now am brain dead that why i always need help
[15:22] <Kilos> hehe
[15:22] <zeref> lol
[15:22] <Kilos> Conradvo, what OS are you using
[15:23] <Conradvo> 11.04 on 7 pc
[15:23] <Kilos> great and what client to get here
[15:24] <zeref> wait, thats 7 pc's or 11.04 on a win 7 pc?
[15:24] <Kilos> lol
[15:24] <Kilos> was thinking about that too zeref 
[15:24] <Conradvo> it opend in firefox is there a alternitave 
[15:25] <Kilos> yes get xchat
[15:25] <zeref> no
[15:25] <zeref> irssi
[15:25] <Conradvo> no windows in office
[15:25] <zeref> :-D
[15:25] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install aptitude
[15:25] <Conradvo> keep craching so replaced all os wit ubuntu +- 10 months ago
[15:25] <Kilos> then sudo aptitude install xchat
[15:26] <zeref> Conradvo: noce
[15:26] <zeref> *nice
[15:26] <Kilos> well done Conradvo 
[15:27] <Conradvo> need to change media center to mythbuntu or?
[15:28] <Kilos> what do you want to do Conradvo 
[15:28] <Kilos> do you know how to use the terminal
[15:28] <Conradvo> live tv pvr , music and movies 
[15:29] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install vlc
[15:29] <Conradvo> installed vlc but need to make it wife proof only remote 
[15:30] <Kilos> lol
[15:30] <Kilos> bad boy
[15:30] <Kilos> get her her own pc
[15:31] <Conradvo> have looked at mythbuntu 11.10 in vm but batteled to get mount to connect auto after reboot media on ubuntu server with samba share
[15:32] <Kilos> i dont know mythubuntu at all
[15:33] <Conradvo> in xchat to witch network do you connect
[15:33] <Kilos> freenode
[15:34] <Kilos> then after ticking freenode edit button
[15:34] <Kilos> type in #ubuntu-za
[15:34] <Kilos> lol
[15:34] <Kilos> welcome
[15:34] <Kilos> you guys too fast
[15:35] <Kilos> zeref, have you tried xchat
[15:36] <zeref> nope
[15:36] <conrad_> it work nice
[15:36] <zeref> i like my irssi
[15:36] <Kilos> i think it rocks
[15:36] <conrad_> i can not wait for 11.10 release 
[15:38] <conrad_> irssi is only command lin
[15:39] <Kilos> thats why i like xchat
[15:40] <conradvo> witch os do you use kilos
[15:41] <Kilos> maverick
[15:41] <zeref> conrad, yep
[15:41] <Kilos> 10.10
[15:41] <Kilos> isnt it 3 days to wait
[15:42] <conradvo> did you see the new community fork of maverick
[15:42] <Kilos> no
[15:42] <Kilos> what is that?
[15:42] <conradvo> mageia is the new os
[15:43] <zeref> o0o0
[15:43] <Kilos> since i left windows i have stayed with ubntu
[15:43] <Kilos> ubuntu
[15:43] <Kilos> tried xubuntu and looked at kubuntu
[15:44] <Kilos> will take too muct thinking to change from ubuntu
[15:44] <Kilos> much
[15:45] <Kilos> my son loves kubuntu
[15:45] <conradvo> that is true 
[15:45] <Kilos> and some of the experts on here too
[15:45] <zeref> heheh
[15:45] <zeref> debian is awesome as well
[15:45] <Kilos> hehe
[15:45] <conradvo> got to use to gnome used kde on redhat 9 many years ago
[15:46] <conradvo> started on mandriva 
[15:46] <Kilos> what do you do conradvo 
[15:47] <conradvo> but have been using ubuntu from 8.04
[15:47] <Kilos> good
[15:47] <conradvo> general it and erp software design in qt
[15:47] <zeref> erp?
[15:47] <Kilos> i started with 8.10 because i couldnt get 8.04 to use my phone as a modem
[15:48] <zeref> 6.06 LTS
[15:48] <zeref> then moved to debian
[15:48] <zeref> then back here :P
[15:49] <Kilos> ubuntu rocks
[15:49] <conradvo> financial soft with all the bells and  tricks 
[15:49] <Kilos> thats a while back hey zeref 
[15:50] <Kilos> you must be nearly a ballie too
[15:50] <zeref> :fear:
[15:50] <zeref> 23 :P
[15:50] <Kilos> lol
[15:51] <Kilos> wish i coulda started with pcs when i was younger
[15:51] <zeref> school teacher introduced us to linux, Mind Blown
[15:51] <Kilos> we need more teachers like that
[15:52] <Kilos> most are winsucks brainwashed
[15:52] <zeref> yeah, SA should start to move to open source
[15:52] <zeref> esp schools
[15:52] <conradvo> yes windows make you stupid if you can not click the it does not work
[15:52] <Kilos> especially now with ms puuling back support
[15:53] <zeref> is that for Xp
[15:53] <Kilos> the guys had a chat about it a few months ago
[15:54] <conradvo> a lot of people still think linux is for nurds an to diff to use i converted a lady of 60 frm vista to 11.04 
[15:54] <zeref> lol
[15:54] <Kilos> yay
[15:54] <zeref> vista was cr*p
[15:54] <Kilos> he didnt say old lady so i dont feel bad
[15:54] <zeref> used it for like 2 days
[15:54] <zeref> lol Kilos
[15:55] <zeref> i think ubuntu is the best distribution for newbies
[15:56] <zeref> but it not only a newbie desktop, can do some nerdy stuff as well
[15:56] <Kilos> i just dont understand why all the varsity peeps dont switch
[15:57] <Kilos> do those freedom toaters still work zeref 
[15:58] <zeref> hmmm, i know for instance in Engineering, there are some digital simulations that work on windows but not in linux
[15:58] <zeref> Kilos, yep
[15:58] <zeref> but i think for the general students, they can use linux
[15:58] <Kilos> i got 9.10 at the pta varsity
[15:59] <Kilos> then found out about shipit.com
[15:59] <Kilos> now canonical closed it
[16:00] <zeref> oh, first time hearing bout that
[16:00] <zeref> torrents is how we do
[16:01] <Kilos> they used to ship free cd's
[16:01] <conradvo> what does shipit.com do killos
[16:01] <Kilos> conradvo, when you type a nick just type the first three letters and hit tab
[16:02] <conradvo> ok sorry
[16:02] <Kilos> np
[16:02] <Kilos> i battle with getting some nicks right
[16:02] <Kilos> was told about tab and what a relief
[16:03] <Kilos> i gotta look at the keyboard when typing
[16:04] <zeref> conradvo: ubuntu used to deliver ubuntu cd's for free to users
[16:05] <Kilos> one can still get them but now the gotta be ordered by the local groups
[16:06] <conradvo> ok now we download them
[16:06] <Kilos> and that ya
[16:06] <Kilos> bit expensive when using broadband
[16:08] <conradvo> witch  verson of ubuntu do you need
[16:08] <conradvo> i have from 8.04 to 11.10 beta 2
[16:08] <Kilos> my pc cant do unity so i will stay on maverick for a while ty
[16:09] <conradvo> have you look at unity 2d
[16:09] <Kilos> no, will try it with 11.10
[16:10] <Kilos> 11.04 wasnt too good here with gnome
[16:10] <Kilos> gave some probs
[16:10] <conradvo> it will be the default fall back desktop on 11.10
[16:11] <Kilos> yes i believe so
[16:11] <Kilos> where are you conradvo 
[16:11] <conradvo> unity 2d work well i have one in the office
[16:12] <conradvo> pretoria 
[16:12] <Kilos> another pta guy
[16:12] <Kilos> yay
[16:12] <Kilos> we growing
[16:13] <Kilos> inetpro, one more pta guy
[16:14] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[16:14]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[16:15] <Kilos> too much chatting, very thirsty  now
[16:16] <superfly> haha
[16:17] <Kilos> lol hiya superfly 
[16:17] <superfly> hi Kilos
[16:17] <Kilos> our numbers are growing up here
[16:17] <superfly> I see
[16:18] <superfly> Cape Town seems to be leaking Ubuntues
[16:18] <Kilos> conradvo, meet superfly the python king
[16:18] <superfly> *Ubuntuers
[16:18] <Kilos> lol
[16:18] <superfly> heh, anything but a king
[16:18] <Kilos> jou beurt is jou beurt
[16:18] <Kilos> ya ya
[16:18] <superfly> I'm a Python advocate.
[16:18] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:18] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[16:18] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[16:20] <zeref> hmmmmm
[16:23] <zeref> i agree with superfly, python is awesome
[16:24] <superfly> A colleague of mine who recently joined the company wasn't particularly pro Python when he joined, and now, a month and a bit after he joined, he can see why everyone who uses Python absolutely loves it.
[16:25] <Kilos> hey superfly hows the grass/lawn
[16:25] <zeref> yeah, atm learning wxPython
[16:26] <zeref> book i'm using is 1000 pages
[16:26] <zeref> o0o0
[16:26] <Kilos> eish
[16:29] <magespawn> evening
[16:29] <Kilos> hey magespawn 
[16:30] <superfly> Kilos: grpwing well hey
[16:30] <superfly> *growing
[16:30] <magespawn> hi superfly
[16:30] <Kilos> yay
[16:31] <magespawn> superfly when is the big move?
[16:31] <superfly> magespawn: this weekend
[16:32] <superfly> magespawn: er, you talking work or home?
[16:32] <Kilos> eish you moving home as well
[16:32] <magespawn> you said you were going to be working from home. that one
[16:33] <magespawn> but either one really
[16:33] <Kilos> lol
[16:34] <magespawn> i wanted to find out if you were going to be self employed at home or just working from home?
[16:38] <superfly> magespawn: no, I'll just be working from home
[16:38] <superfly> Kilos: yes, not far, about a km away
[16:39] <Kilos> eish what about the grass
[16:39] <Kilos> lol
[16:39] <Kilos> dig it up and take it with
[16:47] <superfly> Kilos: no, I need to leave it. The garden had grass before we got the stupid canine
[16:47] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[16:47] <nlsthzn> o/
[16:48] <Kilos> 0/
[16:57] <magespawn> howdy all back again
[16:58] <Kilos> wb
[16:59] <magespawn> i didn't catch the answers if there were any
 magespawn: no, I'll just be working from home
[17:01] <magespawn> nah that one i got. but not for the last two
[17:01] <Kilos> lol about the grass
 Kilos: no, I need to leave it. The garden had grass before we got the stupid canine
[17:02] <magespawn> nah the one about does any here blog regularly and superfly do you connect your n900 to ubuntu?
[17:03] <Kilos> i dont see that
[17:03] <superfly> magespawn: yes, but usually just for the storage device
[17:03] <magespawn> maybe it did not go through, would explain the lack of response.
[17:04] <magespawn> superfly have you seen KMobileTools?
[17:04] <superfly> maybe in passing
[17:07] <magespawn> have any one here used things like pands boards? pandaboards.org
[17:09] <superfly> magespawn: that URL does not resolve
[17:12]  * superfly is busy figuring out how to do facial recognition in Python
[17:14] <magespawn> sorry pandaboard.org
[17:14] <magespawn> why?
[17:16] <superfly> need it for work
[17:16] <superfly> people uploading profile pictures, and I need to crop them
[17:18] <magespawn> bbl putting daughter to bed
[17:35] <magespawn> back daughter in bed
[17:39] <magespawn> bb just switching to the laptop
[17:47] <magespawn> howdy all
[17:47] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[17:49] <magespawn> ty
[17:50]  * magespawn does not know enough python to be able to help
[17:50] <magespawn> superfly how did you learn?
[17:51] <magespawn> Kilos do you know how to program?
[17:51] <superfly> magespawn: Python?
[17:51] <magespawn> yup
[17:51] <superfly> I started two big projects :-)
[17:51] <Kilos> no magespawn  im a mechanic and farmer
[17:51] <superfly> I like to dive into the deep end :-D
[17:52] <magespawn> superfly so the deep end then
[17:52] <magespawn> did you look at the pandboard.org?
[17:53] <superfly> nope, rather busy - I'll have a look just now
[17:53] <magespawn> Kilos what kind of farming?
[17:53] <magespawn> me to superfly. did you learn other languages first?
[17:53] <Kilos> merino sheep jersey cows and crops
[17:54] <superfly> I did, for various reasons, but if I'd known about Python, I would have learned it sooner and instead of other languages
[17:54] <magespawn> no worries.
[17:54] <Kilos> and near two years of managing beef farm
[17:54] <magespawn> if you dive into the shallow end you smack your head hard.
[17:55] <superfly> magespawn: before becoming a Python developer, I was a PHP developer
[17:55] <Kilos> lol
[17:55] <superfly> but I also have a working knowledge of C++, C# and Delphi
[17:55] <superfly> and I've also programmed in Java and Assembler
[17:56] <superfly> s/Assembler/Assembly Language/
[17:56] <magespawn> i know a little html and css that got me interested in python and perl.
[17:56] <superfly> I can make people believe I can code in Perl
[17:57] <superfly> oh, yeah, I know HTML and CSS, but they aren't programming languages
[17:57] <magespawn> how so?
[17:57] <superfly> Oh, I also know COBOL and NATURAL
[17:57] <superfly> magespawn: you don't write programs using HTML or CSS
[17:57] <magespawn> i know marginally more about game farming than about stock
[17:57] <superfly> and CSS itself specifically is not even a markup language, it doesn't exist outside of HTML
[18:24] <octoquad> evening all :)
[18:24] <Kilos> hi there octoquad 
[18:24] <octoquad> hey Kilos 
[18:25] <octoquad> superfly: I see the problem persists 
[18:26] <superfly> hi octoquad
[18:26] <Kilos> hi JabberwockyA19 
[18:26] <superfly> I'm afraid I haven't had a chance to look into it further
[18:26] <superfly> things have been crazy here
[18:26] <JabberwockyA19> hallo oom Kilos :)
[18:27] <Kilos> lol
[18:27] <octoquad> no problem, that's why I'm back, to try and fix it hehe
[19:27] <Kilos> night everyone. sleep tight. see you tomorrow
[19:31] <tumbleweed> whee, fun day on ubuntu-devel: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-October/034208.html etc.
[19:32] <superfly> evening tumbleweed
[19:32] <tumbleweed> hi
[19:33] <superfly> hey tumbleweed, how long do you think it would take for me to get an app into Debian?
[19:34]  * superfly sees the DebianImportFreeze is in December, and is wondering if November+December is enough time
[19:35] <tumbleweed> sycing to ubutnu after DIF is not a problem, but doing it after FF requires paperwork
[19:35] <tumbleweed> also, get it in sooner, you can always upload updates
[19:35] <tumbleweed> as to how long, that depends on the quality, and how much you prod me to review it, or how fast you find another interested sponsor
[19:36] <tumbleweed> < a week is totally doable
[19:36] <superfly> OK
[19:36] <superfly> I'm gonna be on leave in November, I'm gonna try for then.
[19:37] <superfly> tumbleweed: would you be willing to look at our existing PPA package and maybe give some pointers as to what we might need to do?
[19:37] <tumbleweed> sure
[19:38] <superfly> tumbleweed: https://launchpad.net/~openlp-core/+archive/release
[19:39] <superfly> Thanks :-)
[19:45] <tumbleweed> superfly: the packaging generally looks a little dated, and could use some polish
[19:46] <tumbleweed> but its nice and simple
[19:52] <superfly> tumbleweed: cocooncrash started us off, and I've just continued little bit by little bit where needed
[20:03] <zeref> hmmmmm
[20:04] <zeref> superfly, if you want to start developing for ubuntu, what steps should you take?
[20:05] <superfly> zeref: in what way, getting a package into Ubuntu, or just developing for Linux in general?
[20:07] <tumbleweed> zeref: do you have anything in particular that you want to work on, or do you just want to contribute?
[20:07] <tumbleweed> superfly: heh, yeah, looks like his style (and my ibid packaging started from cocooncrash-packaging, too)
[20:09] <zeref> just developing in linux in general
[20:10] <superfly> zeref: you can start anywhere, really
[20:10] <superfly> zeref: though it might be a good idea to rather find a project you like, and start contributing there
[20:11] <zeref> kk
[20:11] <tumbleweed> zeref: Ubuntu is realeasing later this week, but we're still interested in looking for last minute release critical bug fixes for packages that aren't on CDs, if you're interested
[20:11] <tumbleweed> offer expires in 24hours or so, though :P
[20:12] <zeref> LOL
[20:13] <tumbleweed> seriously. http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs/ I found a handful of easy ones yesterday. There's still some time left
[20:24] <zeref> hmmm, essentially this is what i want to do, when i'm done with my studies
[20:24] <zeref> so read up, read up and read up
[20:24] <zeref> soon......
[20:27] <tumbleweed> that sounds way too sensible. I'm letting it get in the way of my studies...
[20:33]  * superfly agrees with tumbleweed ;-)
[20:48] <magespawn> now it lets me back on
[20:53] <magespawn> night all.
[21:31] <zeref> hmmm
[21:32] <zeref> anybody tried linux Mint?
[21:44] <nlsthzn> zeref: mint is cool
[21:49] <zeref> how'd you compare to teh buntu
[21:49] <zeref> i've read some posts that suggest that, there are less bugs in it.
[21:51] <nlsthzn> zeref: I don't know about less bugs, the main edition of Mint is built on top of Ubuntu
[21:53] <zeref> true, i'll try it out on VM,
[21:53] <nlsthzn> That is the best way :)
[21:53] <nlsthzn> Try and make up your own mind :)
[21:54] <zeref> yeah, if i dont like, 12.04's interface, i think i'll be moving to a new distro
[21:54] <zeref> gnome 2.xx is too awesome
[21:55] <nlsthzn> Well Mint won't be on 2.x for too long either... it isn't being maintained so they will also have to shift to Gnome 3... eventually...
[21:55] <tumbleweed> you can't blame distros for not liking gnome 3
[21:56] <tumbleweed> and you can still get gnome panel (gnome 2) in modern ubuntu
[21:56] <nlsthzn> well, for a little while still
[21:56] <tumbleweed> for as long as people maintain it
[21:57] <nlsthzn> tumbleweed: what people?
[21:58] <zeref> us
[21:58] <tumbleweed> gnome people, and the gnome maintainers in debian and ubuntu
[21:59] <nlsthzn> Well my knowledge is limited on the comings and goings but there isn't any Classic mode for Ubuntu 11.10 except the Gnome-shell fallback mode...
[22:01] <tumbleweed> still there, if you have the right packages installed
[22:03] <nlsthzn> well I will take your word for it then... as I have not seen anyone doing this, just a lot of people complaining they wish they could...
[22:09] <tumbleweed> people love complaining :)
[22:10] <nlsthzn> +1 to that :)
[22:11] <tumbleweed> and, I think ubuntu probably released unity too soon. canonical still has to work out how to handle projects like that in cycle with Ubuntu
[22:12] <nlsthzn> the feeling I got is "grand scale beta testing"
[22:13] <Tonberry> its a beta but don't tell anyone
[22:13] <zeref> lol
[22:14] <nlsthzn> :)
[22:14] <tumbleweed> nlsthzn: thing is, it happened again this cycle
[22:14] <tumbleweed> a week ago, it was still pretty unstable. Much better now, though
[22:15] <Tonberry> not something i would release if given the choice...
[22:15] <nlsthzn> tumbleweed: well as far as stability goes I am using natty with unity and it is stable... got a few bugs for sure but no issues in usebility ... I am expecting Oneiric to be even better...
[22:16] <Tonberry> define stable?
[22:16] <Tonberry> fine it rarely crashes anymore
[22:17] <nlsthzn> mine hasn't crashed in ages... I have closed the wrong windows because of focus issues but that is just annoying :p
[22:17] <Tonberry> but i find it hard to keer unity running for more than a week or so before things start getting wobbly and the memory leaks start getting noticeably large
[22:17] <zeref> a friends of mine said that unity is moving towards the apple interface
[22:18] <Tonberry> i don't mind the looks
[22:18] <tumbleweed> yeah, hasn't crashed on me in a few days, either
[22:18] <zeref> next thing desktop is going to look like an iphone
[22:18] <Tonberry> but we once forgot a gnome 2 computer on for 180 days and it was still going strong
[22:18] <Tonberry> unity would kill itself long before that
[22:19] <zeref> but over time Unity will become just a strong as gnome 2.xx
[22:19] <Tonberry> how much time?
[22:19] <zeref> o0o0
[22:20] <zeref> 2 years prob
[22:20] <zeref> maybe by 12.10
[22:20] <Tonberry> 6 months with windows looking more stable than ubuntu has left me slightly grumpy about the whole thing
[22:20] <nlsthzn> Well, I have faith that Ubunut can pull this off... I feel they have done an amazing job already...
[22:21] <zeref> unity was a surprize, even for ubuntu-devel
[22:21] <zeref> lol
[22:22] <zeref> suddenly Unity
[22:22] <nlsthzn> nobody expects the spanish inquisition
[23:07] <superfly> KDE works fine :-P
[23:10] <nlsthzn> superfly: :p