[05:04] morning superfly nuvolari and others [05:04] sjoe oom, up early this morning! [05:05] yeah got a thumper [05:05] eina [05:06] have a good day superfly [05:08] thanks oom, I hope your headache clears up soon [05:08] ty my friend [05:29] o/ [05:30] hiya nlsthzn [05:33] Hey uncle Kilos , all well? [05:33] yes ty nlsthzn and there [05:33] ? [05:34] All well, fuzzy but awake [05:34] lol [05:38] Maaz, coffee on [05:38] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [05:42] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [05:42] Maaz, thanks [05:42] Kilos: Okay :-) [05:59] morning all [06:00] hi magespawn [06:00] one of these days i will get in here before you. [06:01] lol. its the fly you gotta beat not me [06:02] the fly might be here but seems to sit in the corner until there is a problem, not really up for general conversation. [06:02] and greets always [06:02] proper gentleman [06:02] yup [06:03] no time for just chatting him [06:03] he is a busy busy fella [06:03] Tonberry, wb [06:04] Kilos you are the maitre d'Ubuntu-za. [06:05] only when i got enough data yes [06:05] i greet and welcome noobs etc [06:05] and get helped with probs [06:07] you have put your name in yet even [06:07] sigh [06:07] so slack [06:07] say what? [06:07] I'm very busy at the moment :-( [06:07] unless its actually unknown [06:07] End of the month I'm leaving this job, so then I'll have more time to chat :-) [06:07] ahh the fly is here. lol [06:07] are you using xchat magespawn [06:08] Morning [06:08] thats cool [06:08] yup [06:08] hiya sakhi [06:08] Kilos: and then I won't be in early anymore... I'll be sleeping in! (well, as much as my 2 year old will allow) [06:08] ha ha zac will sort you out superfly [06:09] superfly: time flies, he's two years already. [06:10] 2 year olds do not let you sleep in. superfly you going to work from home? [06:10] sakhi: yeah... 2 years and 2 months currently [06:10] magespawn: yeah\ [06:11] thats a new challange altogether. [06:11] Kilos why did you ask? [06:12] i like to right click on the nicks and see who i am talking to [06:12] like whois [06:12] ahh right will remedy. [06:13] magespawn: it's not a must, but it is nice :-) [06:15] then we know to swear at you in english or afrikaans [06:22] ha. either one is good my wife is afrikaans. [06:22] no man, we dont wanna swear at your wife [06:22] she is innocent [06:28] yo scar[w] [06:29] she could translate is what i mean, and i have a fair to poor understanding of the language anyways [06:29] lol [06:29] lol [06:29] just joking [06:34] there we go. it is done on the laptop. [06:34] hmmm not here [06:35] just changed it now. [06:35] run a /whois magespawn [06:37] did you tell freenode magespawn [06:37] i forget how, was a long job for me [06:38] no i thought you meant to put it in user info in xchat [06:38] maybe you gotta close and open xchat again [06:39] okay brb. [06:39] magespawn, wb [06:39] yay clever fella [06:39] well done [06:41] morning drussell [06:41] Kilos: morning :o) [06:55] mornings o/ [06:55] môre nuvolari [07:02] hi |3o|3 [07:06] more oom Kilos, hoe gaan dit vanoggend? [07:06] ok dankie nuvolari en daar? [08:19] later all going on a game drive. [10:33] ahhhh, eprom,eeprom,mrom, sram dram prom, flash memory, uvprom, so many [10:33] memory overload in brain [12:08] sigh this channel keeps shrinking [12:09] we had 45 guys here once [12:09] sigh [12:10] pff [12:10] 00:55 -!- Irssi: #ubuntu-za: Total of 3 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 3 normal] [12:11] I remember when it was just me and linuxboy and ChanServ hanging out in here [12:11] whew musta been tough back then [12:11] no one to share coffee with [12:16] wow, channel has grown! [12:16] lol hiya linuxboy [12:16] hi Kilos [12:17] still getting Maaz to make you tea every morning? [12:17] yeah and often through the day as well [12:17] you well linuxboy [12:17] ? [12:17] ja [12:17] you? [12:17] good as well ty [12:18] just a quick drive by [12:18] kbe [12:18] kbye [12:18] whew someone told him to just pop in hey Vhata ? [12:19] too much coincidence otherwise [12:21] he sits behind me [12:21] ha ha ha [12:21] did you kick him? [12:21] hehe [12:21] I showed him what you were saying [12:21] ah [12:55] afternoon morgs [12:56] hi superfly [12:56] hi morgs [12:57] hi Kilos [12:58] Odd, my oneiric machine needed manual fdsking after a reboot [13:45] hiya nlsthzn ghostknife [13:46] hello again Kilos [14:37] hmmmmm [14:39] anybody thats using 10.04 or 10.10, tried gnome3? [14:50] have you zeref ? [14:50] you not scared [15:00] hi Kilos [15:00] have not tried [15:01] was wondering whether its stable? [15:01] Maaz, is gnome3 stable in ubuntu lucid [15:01] Kilos: *blink* [15:01] grrr [15:02] Maaz, google is gnome3 stable in ubuntu lucid [15:02] lol [15:02] Kilos: "how to install Gnome 3 on ubuntu 10.10-10.04" http://blog.sudobits.com/2011/04/24/how-to-install-gnome-3-on-ubuntu-10-10-10-04/ :: "how to install GNOME 3 on Ubuntu 11.04" http://blog.sudobits.com/2011/04/26/how-to-install-gnome-3-on-ubuntu-11-04/ :: "List of Ubuntu releases - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases :: "Ubuntu (operating system) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http: [15:02] have you tried? [15:03] no im scared, and can it be better than gnome 2 anyway [15:03] there must be some reason gor going to unity [15:03] for/gor [15:04] yeah, did ubuntu mention why they are forking with gnome3? [15:04] Maaz, google advantages of gnome3 over gnome2 [15:04] Kilos: "GNOME 3.0 Release Notes" http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.0/ :: "GnomeShell/Design - GNOME Live!" http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/ :: "GNOME - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME :: "What is the disadvantage to XFCE interface as compared GNOME in ..." http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=5507 :: "gnome - Why is Ubuntu 11.04 switching to Unity? - Ask Ubuntu ..." http://askubuntu [15:04] i think nl tried it [15:04] webs are shapped heavlily now, so cant googles [15:05] check after 19:00 [15:05] lol [15:05] shaped? [15:05] choked? [15:06] yeah [15:06] it sucks hey [15:06] that seacom cable is still out [15:07] i did a clean install of maverick today [15:07] twice actually [15:07] yeah, but i've not seem the effects yet, if seasom goes boom, they shape torrents/p2p [15:07] first time saved the /home partition [15:07] bu tmy torernts still zoom [15:08] ah [15:08] o0o0 [15:08] why? [15:08] i had some ugly bug somewhere that wouldnt allow pidgin to work properly [15:08] even with removing and purging [15:09] deep [15:09] and reinstalling [15:09] clamAV? [15:09] found 2 trojans but i was too doff to save the results [15:09] i use clamtk [15:10] ohhh, thought it did that automatically [15:10] one was somewhere in wine and other one deep in /home [15:11] there is a block i ticked to not save them and just deleted [15:11] :P [15:12] so you lost /home with the 2nd install [15:12] yeah i let it format /home too and prob gone [15:16] luckily i have /var/cache/apt/archives/ rsync ed to an external so dont need to download any packages [15:16] just had to apt-get update [15:18] when iturned to linux, i didn't know that if you did a reinstall, linux bombs everything [15:18] ohhh, thats was a good idea [15:19] btw, why do they call you oom????? [15:19] lol [15:19] i am 60 [15:19] LOL [15:20] yeah and they persist [15:20] hi Conradvo [15:20] hi [15:20] retired? thats why you on here so much :-D [15:21] im new to this irc chat [15:21] welcome :D [15:21] welcome to ubuntu-za Conradvo [15:21] thanks [15:21] forced retirement [15:22] o0o0 [15:22] had an accident and now am brain dead that why i always need help [15:22] hehe [15:22] lol [15:22] Conradvo, what OS are you using [15:23] 11.04 on 7 pc [15:23] great and what client to get here [15:24] wait, thats 7 pc's or 11.04 on a win 7 pc? [15:24] lol [15:24] was thinking about that too zeref [15:24] it opend in firefox is there a alternitave [15:25] yes get xchat [15:25] no [15:25] irssi [15:25] no windows in office [15:25] :-D [15:25] sudo apt-get install aptitude [15:25] keep craching so replaced all os wit ubuntu +- 10 months ago [15:25] then sudo aptitude install xchat [15:26] Conradvo: noce [15:26] *nice [15:26] well done Conradvo [15:27] need to change media center to mythbuntu or? [15:28] what do you want to do Conradvo [15:28] do you know how to use the terminal [15:28] live tv pvr , music and movies [15:29] sudo aptitude install vlc [15:29] installed vlc but need to make it wife proof only remote [15:30] lol [15:30] bad boy [15:30] get her her own pc [15:31] have looked at mythbuntu 11.10 in vm but batteled to get mount to connect auto after reboot media on ubuntu server with samba share [15:32] i dont know mythubuntu at all [15:33] in xchat to witch network do you connect [15:33] freenode [15:34] then after ticking freenode edit button [15:34] type in #ubuntu-za [15:34] lol [15:34] welcome [15:34] you guys too fast [15:35] zeref, have you tried xchat [15:36] nope [15:36] it work nice [15:36] i like my irssi [15:36] i think it rocks [15:36] i can not wait for 11.10 release [15:38] irssi is only command lin === conrad_ is now known as conradvo [15:39] thats why i like xchat [15:40] witch os do you use kilos [15:41] maverick [15:41] conrad, yep [15:41] 10.10 [15:41] isnt it 3 days to wait [15:42] did you see the new community fork of maverick [15:42] no [15:42] what is that? [15:42] mageia is the new os [15:43] o0o0 [15:43] since i left windows i have stayed with ubntu [15:43] ubuntu [15:43] tried xubuntu and looked at kubuntu [15:44] will take too muct thinking to change from ubuntu [15:44] much [15:45] my son loves kubuntu [15:45] that is true [15:45] and some of the experts on here too [15:45] heheh [15:45] debian is awesome as well [15:45] hehe [15:45] got to use to gnome used kde on redhat 9 many years ago [15:46] started on mandriva [15:46] what do you do conradvo [15:47] but have been using ubuntu from 8.04 [15:47] good [15:47] general it and erp software design in qt [15:47] erp? [15:47] i started with 8.10 because i couldnt get 8.04 to use my phone as a modem [15:48] 6.06 LTS [15:48] then moved to debian [15:48] then back here :P [15:49] ubuntu rocks [15:49] financial soft with all the bells and tricks [15:49] thats a while back hey zeref [15:50] you must be nearly a ballie too [15:50] :fear: [15:50] 23 :P [15:50] lol [15:51] wish i coulda started with pcs when i was younger [15:51] school teacher introduced us to linux, Mind Blown [15:51] we need more teachers like that [15:52] most are winsucks brainwashed [15:52] yeah, SA should start to move to open source [15:52] esp schools [15:52] yes windows make you stupid if you can not click the it does not work [15:52] especially now with ms puuling back support [15:53] is that for Xp [15:53] the guys had a chat about it a few months ago [15:54] a lot of people still think linux is for nurds an to diff to use i converted a lady of 60 frm vista to 11.04 [15:54] lol [15:54] yay [15:54] vista was cr*p [15:54] he didnt say old lady so i dont feel bad [15:54] used it for like 2 days [15:54] lol Kilos [15:55] i think ubuntu is the best distribution for newbies [15:56] but it not only a newbie desktop, can do some nerdy stuff as well [15:56] i just dont understand why all the varsity peeps dont switch [15:57] do those freedom toaters still work zeref [15:58] hmmm, i know for instance in Engineering, there are some digital simulations that work on windows but not in linux [15:58] Kilos, yep [15:58] but i think for the general students, they can use linux [15:58] i got 9.10 at the pta varsity [15:59] then found out about shipit.com [15:59] now canonical closed it [16:00] oh, first time hearing bout that [16:00] torrents is how we do [16:01] they used to ship free cd's [16:01] what does shipit.com do killos [16:01] conradvo, when you type a nick just type the first three letters and hit tab [16:02] ok sorry [16:02] np [16:02] i battle with getting some nicks right [16:02] was told about tab and what a relief [16:03] i gotta look at the keyboard when typing [16:04] conradvo: ubuntu used to deliver ubuntu cd's for free to users [16:05] one can still get them but now the gotta be ordered by the local groups [16:06] ok now we download them [16:06] and that ya [16:06] bit expensive when using broadband [16:08] witch verson of ubuntu do you need [16:08] i have from 8.04 to 11.10 beta 2 [16:08] my pc cant do unity so i will stay on maverick for a while ty [16:09] have you look at unity 2d [16:09] no, will try it with 11.10 [16:10] 11.04 wasnt too good here with gnome [16:10] gave some probs [16:10] it will be the default fall back desktop on 11.10 [16:11] yes i believe so [16:11] where are you conradvo [16:11] unity 2d work well i have one in the office [16:12] pretoria [16:12] another pta guy [16:12] yay [16:12] we growing [16:13] inetpro, one more pta guy [16:14] Maaz, coffee on [16:14] * Maaz puts the kettle on [16:15] too much chatting, very thirsty now [16:16] haha [16:17] lol hiya superfly [16:17] hi Kilos [16:17] our numbers are growing up here [16:17] I see [16:18] Cape Town seems to be leaking Ubuntues [16:18] conradvo, meet superfly the python king [16:18] *Ubuntuers [16:18] lol [16:18] heh, anything but a king [16:18] jou beurt is jou beurt [16:18] ya ya [16:18] I'm a Python advocate. [16:18] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [16:18] Maaz, ty [16:18] Enjoy Kilos [16:20] hmmmmm [16:23] i agree with superfly, python is awesome [16:24] A colleague of mine who recently joined the company wasn't particularly pro Python when he joined, and now, a month and a bit after he joined, he can see why everyone who uses Python absolutely loves it. [16:25] hey superfly hows the grass/lawn [16:25] yeah, atm learning wxPython [16:26] book i'm using is 1000 pages [16:26] o0o0 [16:26] eish [16:29] evening [16:29] hey magespawn [16:30] Kilos: grpwing well hey [16:30] *growing [16:30] hi superfly [16:30] yay [16:31] superfly when is the big move? [16:31] magespawn: this weekend [16:32] magespawn: er, you talking work or home? [16:32] eish you moving home as well [16:32] you said you were going to be working from home. that one [16:33] but either one really [16:33] lol [16:34] i wanted to find out if you were going to be self employed at home or just working from home? [16:38] magespawn: no, I'll just be working from home [16:38] Kilos: yes, not far, about a km away [16:39] eish what about the grass [16:39] lol [16:39] dig it up and take it with [16:47] Kilos: no, I need to leave it. The garden had grass before we got the stupid canine [16:47] ha ha ha [16:47] o/ [16:48] 0/ [16:57] howdy all back again [16:58] wb [16:59] i didn't catch the answers if there were any [17:00] magespawn: no, I'll just be working from home [17:01] nah that one i got. but not for the last two [17:01] lol about the grass [17:01] Kilos: no, I need to leave it. The garden had grass before we got the stupid canine [17:02] nah the one about does any here blog regularly and superfly do you connect your n900 to ubuntu? [17:03] i dont see that [17:03] magespawn: yes, but usually just for the storage device [17:03] maybe it did not go through, would explain the lack of response. [17:04] superfly have you seen KMobileTools? [17:04] maybe in passing [17:07] have any one here used things like pands boards? pandaboards.org [17:09] magespawn: that URL does not resolve [17:12] * superfly is busy figuring out how to do facial recognition in Python [17:14] sorry pandaboard.org [17:14] why? [17:16] need it for work [17:16] people uploading profile pictures, and I need to crop them [17:18] bbl putting daughter to bed [17:35] back daughter in bed [17:39] bb just switching to the laptop [17:47] howdy all [17:47] wb magespawn [17:49] ty [17:50] * magespawn does not know enough python to be able to help [17:50] superfly how did you learn? [17:51] Kilos do you know how to program? [17:51] magespawn: Python? [17:51] yup [17:51] I started two big projects :-) [17:51] no magespawn im a mechanic and farmer [17:51] I like to dive into the deep end :-D [17:52] superfly so the deep end then [17:52] did you look at the pandboard.org? [17:53] nope, rather busy - I'll have a look just now [17:53] Kilos what kind of farming? [17:53] me to superfly. did you learn other languages first? [17:53] merino sheep jersey cows and crops [17:54] I did, for various reasons, but if I'd known about Python, I would have learned it sooner and instead of other languages [17:54] no worries. [17:54] and near two years of managing beef farm [17:54] if you dive into the shallow end you smack your head hard. [17:55] magespawn: before becoming a Python developer, I was a PHP developer [17:55] lol [17:55] but I also have a working knowledge of C++, C# and Delphi [17:55] and I've also programmed in Java and Assembler [17:56] s/Assembler/Assembly Language/ [17:56] i know a little html and css that got me interested in python and perl. [17:56] I can make people believe I can code in Perl [17:57] oh, yeah, I know HTML and CSS, but they aren't programming languages [17:57] how so? [17:57] Oh, I also know COBOL and NATURAL [17:57] magespawn: you don't write programs using HTML or CSS [17:57] i know marginally more about game farming than about stock [17:57] and CSS itself specifically is not even a markup language, it doesn't exist outside of HTML [18:24] evening all :) [18:24] hi there octoquad [18:24] hey Kilos [18:25] superfly: I see the problem persists [18:26] hi octoquad [18:26] hi JabberwockyA19 [18:26] I'm afraid I haven't had a chance to look into it further [18:26] things have been crazy here [18:26] hallo oom Kilos :) [18:27] lol [18:27] no problem, that's why I'm back, to try and fix it hehe [19:27] night everyone. sleep tight. see you tomorrow [19:31] whee, fun day on ubuntu-devel: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-October/034208.html etc. [19:32] evening tumbleweed [19:32] hi [19:33] hey tumbleweed, how long do you think it would take for me to get an app into Debian? [19:34] * superfly sees the DebianImportFreeze is in December, and is wondering if November+December is enough time [19:35] sycing to ubutnu after DIF is not a problem, but doing it after FF requires paperwork [19:35] also, get it in sooner, you can always upload updates [19:35] as to how long, that depends on the quality, and how much you prod me to review it, or how fast you find another interested sponsor [19:36] < a week is totally doable [19:36] OK [19:36] I'm gonna be on leave in November, I'm gonna try for then. [19:37] tumbleweed: would you be willing to look at our existing PPA package and maybe give some pointers as to what we might need to do? [19:37] sure [19:38] tumbleweed: https://launchpad.net/~openlp-core/+archive/release [19:39] Thanks :-) [19:45] superfly: the packaging generally looks a little dated, and could use some polish [19:46] but its nice and simple [19:52] tumbleweed: cocooncrash started us off, and I've just continued little bit by little bit where needed [20:03] hmmmmm [20:04] superfly, if you want to start developing for ubuntu, what steps should you take? [20:05] zeref: in what way, getting a package into Ubuntu, or just developing for Linux in general? [20:07] zeref: do you have anything in particular that you want to work on, or do you just want to contribute? [20:07] superfly: heh, yeah, looks like his style (and my ibid packaging started from cocooncrash-packaging, too) [20:09] just developing in linux in general [20:10] zeref: you can start anywhere, really [20:10] zeref: though it might be a good idea to rather find a project you like, and start contributing there [20:11] kk [20:11] zeref: Ubuntu is realeasing later this week, but we're still interested in looking for last minute release critical bug fixes for packages that aren't on CDs, if you're interested [20:11] offer expires in 24hours or so, though :P [20:12] LOL [20:13] seriously. http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs/ I found a handful of easy ones yesterday. There's still some time left [20:24] hmmm, essentially this is what i want to do, when i'm done with my studies [20:24] so read up, read up and read up [20:24] soon...... [20:27] that sounds way too sensible. I'm letting it get in the way of my studies... [20:33] * superfly agrees with tumbleweed ;-) [20:48] now it lets me back on [20:53] night all. [21:31] hmmm [21:32] anybody tried linux Mint? [21:44] zeref: mint is cool [21:49] how'd you compare to teh buntu [21:49] i've read some posts that suggest that, there are less bugs in it. [21:51] zeref: I don't know about less bugs, the main edition of Mint is built on top of Ubuntu [21:53] true, i'll try it out on VM, [21:53] That is the best way :) [21:53] Try and make up your own mind :) [21:54] yeah, if i dont like, 12.04's interface, i think i'll be moving to a new distro [21:54] gnome 2.xx is too awesome [21:55] Well Mint won't be on 2.x for too long either... it isn't being maintained so they will also have to shift to Gnome 3... eventually... [21:55] you can't blame distros for not liking gnome 3 [21:56] and you can still get gnome panel (gnome 2) in modern ubuntu [21:56] well, for a little while still [21:56] for as long as people maintain it [21:57] tumbleweed: what people? [21:58] us [21:58] gnome people, and the gnome maintainers in debian and ubuntu [21:59] Well my knowledge is limited on the comings and goings but there isn't any Classic mode for Ubuntu 11.10 except the Gnome-shell fallback mode... [22:01] still there, if you have the right packages installed [22:03] well I will take your word for it then... as I have not seen anyone doing this, just a lot of people complaining they wish they could... [22:09] people love complaining :) [22:10] +1 to that :) [22:11] and, I think ubuntu probably released unity too soon. canonical still has to work out how to handle projects like that in cycle with Ubuntu [22:12] the feeling I got is "grand scale beta testing" [22:13] its a beta but don't tell anyone [22:13] lol [22:14] :) [22:14] nlsthzn: thing is, it happened again this cycle [22:14] a week ago, it was still pretty unstable. Much better now, though [22:15] not something i would release if given the choice... [22:15] tumbleweed: well as far as stability goes I am using natty with unity and it is stable... got a few bugs for sure but no issues in usebility ... I am expecting Oneiric to be even better... [22:16] define stable? [22:16] fine it rarely crashes anymore [22:17] mine hasn't crashed in ages... I have closed the wrong windows because of focus issues but that is just annoying :p [22:17] but i find it hard to keer unity running for more than a week or so before things start getting wobbly and the memory leaks start getting noticeably large [22:17] a friends of mine said that unity is moving towards the apple interface [22:18] i don't mind the looks [22:18] yeah, hasn't crashed on me in a few days, either [22:18] next thing desktop is going to look like an iphone [22:18] but we once forgot a gnome 2 computer on for 180 days and it was still going strong [22:18] unity would kill itself long before that [22:19] but over time Unity will become just a strong as gnome 2.xx [22:19] how much time? [22:19] o0o0 [22:20] 2 years prob [22:20] maybe by 12.10 [22:20] 6 months with windows looking more stable than ubuntu has left me slightly grumpy about the whole thing [22:20] Well, I have faith that Ubunut can pull this off... I feel they have done an amazing job already... [22:21] unity was a surprize, even for ubuntu-devel [22:21] lol [22:22] suddenly Unity [22:22] nobody expects the spanish inquisition [23:07] KDE works fine :-P [23:10] superfly: :p