[12:01] fresh ubuntu install. slightly noobish at the desk. two soundcards: internal and external usb m-audio fast track. task: 1) use internal card for skype. 2) use external card for all other audio processing guitar input/big speakers or headphones from card playback. [13:09] plain-user: is that a statement? [13:12] i forgot to add one key word to that statement. thanks for reminding. [13:12] HOW?! [13:13] +D [13:31] plain-user: pulse will be using the internal card [13:32] for me, i have a firewire device and pulse runs on the internal card [13:32] when i run the FW device, JACK takes that over and leaves pulse running on the internal card [13:32] JACK is not something that i use trivially like that though [13:32] i use JACK when i need it [13:32] and turn it off when im not using it [13:40] what i'm missing is the concept. i must have a device per sound server and one of the servers being default? [13:42] ? [13:42] this is linux [13:42] theres no *must* [13:42] you are implying doing pro audio [13:42] that means you probaly want to use JACK [13:43] i dont know how ) [13:44] and you'll want to use that with the better hardware, that fast track [13:44] plain-user: sure... youll need to learn to use JACK [13:44] pulse will "just work" out of the box with the internal hardware [13:45] if it doesnt, then something is wrong with the hardware, or the support is not there [13:45] plain-user: what i would suggest if you are new to linux/audio is... [13:45] get the normal ubuntu [13:45] install that [13:45] are there any articles that explain the concepts of what is what, or i need to read pages of pages about this, this and that, then build a wrong understanding in my brain, start using it and find myself lost. [13:45] use it with the internal hardware [13:45] get a live CD [13:45] sometihng like AVlinux [13:45] play with that with JACK and the USB hardware [13:46] plain-user: sure, there are nothing but articles about how JACK works with *some* kind of hardware [13:46] but, its all a bit technical, and different depending on what you have [13:46] again, i suggest... [13:46] install just plain normal ubuntu [13:46] play with it [13:47] test with LIVE discs til you learn how JACK works [13:47] then, you can always add whatever you want to that vanilla ubuntu install [13:47] JACK or whatever [13:47] i already installed studio in hope that it already comes with configured jack the almighty and real-time kernel. [13:47] plain-user: you dont need a real-time kernel [13:47] mose folks dont [13:47] the only thing you need that for is low-latency [13:47] doing live effects processing [13:48] or playing software synthesisers live [13:48] other than that, its really just more hassle than its worth [13:48] yes, that's what i want - use an instrument effect over my line-in signal. [13:48] plain-user: right, and thats *not* trivial [13:48] i wouls suggest *not* starting there [13:48] would [13:49] thats what i would call "advanced" [13:49] if you already have US installed, then i would try and get JACK running on the internal hardware [13:49] then the USB hardware [13:50] just get used to configuring JACK and starting/stopping it [13:50] well it's already here on the hard drive installed an happy. jumping from distro to distro is noobish, that's what i was doing for the last few years, using the system just for basic home usage. [13:50] noobish? [13:50] i think its a great way to troubleshoot [13:50] especially with live CD's [13:50] you dont have to install/change the current setup [13:51] and you get to see what the hardware is like with different software [13:51] that's when you know what you do, not like me - just guessing things and doing basic setup, crawl around. [13:51] a kernel rev can totally break, or fix support for some hardware [13:51] well, yes... [13:51] live CD's are an easy way to see whats going on [13:52] for us, kernel versions, and ALSA versions can really make or break it [13:52] and you can fuss around for a long time and not get anywhere... [13:52] well my card is very simple usb fast track m-audio. and internal audio is also quite straight-forward. [13:52] plain-user: lol [13:52] if *any* of this were simple/straight forware, you wouldnt be here ;) [13:53] again, i would start slow [13:53] i would suggest taking some time starting/stopping JACK on both your devices [13:53] starting with the internal one [13:53] what about compiling the kernel with the right drivers that do work.. that's the other way around it isnt' it. [13:53] ? [13:53] ok. [13:53] i use a realtime kernel from PPA [13:54] ubuntustudio doesnt have an RT kernel right now [13:54] hopefully in the 11.10 release we have a -lowlatency one [13:54] the PPA i use is falks ppa from KXstudio [13:55] so my learning process: get my head around jack, and use it on both my cards. [13:56] well, to be more presice [13:56] learn to use it on the internal card first [13:56] then, you dont ever have to run it there again [13:56] that'll be easier (probably) [13:56] jack isn't the sound server by itself, or am i wrong? [13:56] plain-user: dont think of JACK as a sound server [13:56] its not a replacement to pulse or alsa really [13:57] it just needs the audio hardware too, and cant typically run at the same time as pulse [13:57] ok. what is sound server: alsa and pulseaudio? and i have pulse installed and running. it can run one card at a time, is it? [13:58] im not sure what all pulse is capable of [13:58] its all linux [13:58] so, realistically, the answer is *always* yes [13:58] is it same like in windows i had asio and whenever i had guitarrig, all the other sounds including media player were off without sound? [13:58] if you want to run 3 cards with differnt servers on each, its all open code, so you have but to code it [13:59] or, if you want alsa to see a bunch of different cards as one, theres a way to do that [13:59] plain-user: its not going to be helpful to think about windows [13:59] anyways... i gotta run [14:00] i know, i'm just remembering the issue i had recently in windows that was one sound instance per app [14:00] plain-user: let me know when you have about 20 minutes, and you are in front of the computer [14:00] we'll get JACK up and running [14:00] holstein, thank you. of course run, we shall talk later, if it's ok. [14:00] plain-user: yeah, the only limits in linux are the actual hardware limitations [14:00] and you're imagination/coding skills [14:00] its all open [14:01] so, in theory, anything is possible [14:01] that's why i want to nail it : one card for skype, other for guitar. [14:01] right, but you just stop JACK, and use skype with pulse [14:02] OR, use some kind of pulse to JACK bridging [14:02] or, use something other than skype like mumble [14:02] what else i read: what is alsa and pulse and how they work, then jack and play with those. [14:02] there are tons of options with FOSS [14:02] you just have to play around with them [14:02] and ask questions :) [14:02] yes [14:03] anyways... BBL... we'll catch up sometime soon [14:03] ok. thank you again. talk to you later. !