[00:00] <ubuntu_> but has been replaced in the defaults by banshee
[00:03] <ubuntu_> but sometime in the last week, rhythmbox has lost the radio capability as far as I can tell
[01:44] <Dougie187> Has anyone had any success setting up google chrome on 11.10 yet?
[01:47] <Stanley00> Dougie187: yes?
[01:47] <Dougie187> How did you get it to install? Every time I download the 64 bit deb it won't install for me.
[01:49] <Stanley00> Dougie187: chrome? why dont you use chromium? and how did you "install" it? dpkg -i? double click? or else?
[01:49] <Dougie187> Ionno, I was using chrome before. but I could just use chromium. I tried both sudo dpkg -i and double click
[01:50] <Dougie187> neither worked.
[01:50] <Dougie187> dpkg says "Errors were encountered while processing:"
[01:50] <Dougie187> double click says "Internal Error"
[02:01] <Dougie187> Got it.
[02:01] <Dougie187> it was just missing dep's
[02:07] <famgod> what the package that has gnome3 advance settings on it? related gnome--session-fallback?  i had it previously installed with an alpha build of 11.10
[02:07] <famgod> just reinstalled 11.10 and I cant remember the name of it
[02:07] <famgod> it has a bunch of options of theme options and settings in it
[02:08] <famgod> found it...gnome-tweak-tool i beleive
[02:08] <bjsnider> that's it
[02:09] <albech> isnt sun java in the partner repos anymore?
[02:09] <bjsnider> i think that's added only after the final release
[02:14] <itaylor57> i have sun java in the repos
[02:14] <itaylor57> and installed and running
[02:14] <jbicha> personally, icedtea does 95+% of what I need
[02:22] <albech> unfortunately my net bank authentication applet doesnt allow anything but sun java and it does detect iced as not being a sun java :(
[02:26] <jbicha> stupid banks
[02:27] <albech> jbicha, yeah.. trust me this authentication applet is stupid.. part of a national electronic ID and authentication system.. NOTHING works
[02:28] <jbicha> oh even better, banks and the national government ;)
[02:28] <albech> well its been like that for many years already :(
[02:53] <famgod> with ubuntu 64 do I have to install 32-bit libs or anything?
[02:59] <pmp6nl> Does anyone know why the Ubuntu countdown timer is not working?
[03:04] <johnjohn101> thank you ubuntu. 11.10 is sweet
[03:04] <jbicha> pmp6nl: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/countdown ?
[03:05] <bjsnider> famgod, to do what?
[03:05] <pmp6nl> jbicha: yea.  It says 8 days for me in all my browsers
[03:06] <johnjohn101> i guess if i'm up to date, there won't be too much to update on 10/13 right?
[03:07] <famgod> bjsnider, i was having trouble with the quakelive plugin....tried running an oldversion of firefox and was getting 32bit compatability errors
[03:07] <bjsnider> johnjohn101, you'll have to download the secret dvd and go through a very complicated...
[03:07] <bjsnider> j/k
[03:07] <famgod> but i found a hacked version of the quakelive plugin that seems to work
[03:08] <johnjohn101> bjsnider.  i'll keep my eye open for that.    I did notice that firefox and flash not working
[03:09] <bjsnider> oh, sure they are
[03:09] <johnjohn101> seems to want to use gnash
[03:09] <johnjohn101> how do i fix this?
[03:09] <bjsnider> purge flashplugin-installer and install adobe-flashplugin
[03:10] <bjsnider> actually purge flashplugin-downloader too
[03:11] <bjsnider> and you might have to do more if you did something very foolish and manually installed a userland flash plugin or something
[03:12] <johnjohn101> nope all ubuntu
[03:14] <bjsnider> and purge gnash of course
[03:15] <pmp6nl> jbicha: you having the same issue?
[03:16] <famgod> how can i set what program opens a default file from nautilus? ie I want video files to open with VLC player instead of movie player or banshee
[03:18] <jbicha> pmp6nl: good catch, you should probably reply to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2011-October/001180.html
[03:19] <jbicha> or see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website
[03:20] <pmp6nl> jbicha: ok cool, thanks for the suggestions.  I will try
[03:20] <johnjohn101> still doesn't work in firefox
[03:21] <bjsnider> go to about:config
[03:21] <bjsnider> is flash there?
[03:21] <johnjohn101> i downloaded from adobe directly
[03:21] <johnjohn101> works now
[03:22] <bjsnider> wrong
[03:22] <johnjohn101> do you want me to uninstall? and try again?
[03:22] <bjsnider> what did you download?
[03:23] <johnjohn101> the deb that you can download for 10.04
[03:23] <bjsnider> for 10.04
[03:23] <johnjohn101> still works in 11.10 and it's the current version....    tell me what you want me to try
[03:24] <bjsnider> did it force adobe-flashplugin out?
[03:24] <johnjohn101> i think so
[03:25] <johnjohn101> oh wait..  in software center i removed the adobe
[03:25] <johnjohn101> and then it brought up software center again and i installed from there
[03:26] <bjsnider> adobe-flashplugin couldn't have failed
[03:26] <bjsnider> if it installed properly it worked
[03:27] <johnjohn101> i will remove  using software center
[03:27] <famgod> anyone else have a problem with vlc player delaying audio? it seems that my audio is always between 200-400 ms behind the video when using VLC player
[03:29] <famgod> its sort annoying cuz VLC lets me put my audio up to 400% which is significally louder then other video players will let me
[03:29] <bjsnider> what graphics driver?
[03:30] <famgod> happens with both gallium 3d and fglrx
[03:31] <johnjohn101> bjsnider: it worked from the software center   - adobe flash but didn't seem to work from synaptic
[03:31] <bjsnider> johnjohn101, run ls /etc/alternatives/xulrunner-addons-flashplugin -l
[03:32] <johnjohn101> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 48 2011-10-10 23:29 /etc/alternatives/xulrunner-addons-flashplugin -> /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
[03:32] <bjsnider> sigh
[03:32] <bjsnider> wrong
[03:34] <johnjohn101> anything you want me to do
[03:34] <bjsnider> sudo apt-get purge flashplugin-installer flashplugin-downloader gnash
[03:34] <bjsnider> sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin
[03:34] <bjsnider> then repeat the ls command above
[03:35] <johnjohn101> ls: cannot access /etc/alternatives/xulrunner-addons-flashplugin: No such file or directory
[03:39] <bjsnider> johnjohn101, ls -l /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so
[03:39] <jetsaredim> is there a package for some of the gnome-shell extensions?
[03:39] <bjsnider> not in ubuntu
[03:39] <bjsnider> webupd8's ppa has it
[03:40] <johnjohn101> ls: cannot access /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so: No such file or directory
[03:40] <bjsnider> ok, there's something you're not telling me
[03:40] <bjsnider> adbone-flashplugin installs that file
[03:40] <bjsnider> so it can't be installed right now
[03:40] <johnjohn101> i've seen it in two different ubuntu distros..
[03:40] <johnjohn101> let me try from synaptic again
[03:41] <bjsnider> look at synaptic for a minute
[03:41] <bjsnider> search for it and check it's properties page. it has the list of installed files for that package
[03:41] <jetsaredim> bjsnider: https://launchpad.net/~nilarimogard/+archive/webupd8 ?? I don't see anything related to gnome-shell there
[03:42] <bjsnider> well, just check the blog because he posted a recent article about it
[03:43] <johnjohn101> bjsnider. ok it works.  maybe just a one time glitch. I'm not worried
[03:43] <cyphase> ah yea, oneiric this thursday
[03:43] <bjsnider> johnjohn101, you have that correct path right?
[03:43] <johnjohn101> yep
[03:43] <bjsnider> ok then
[03:44] <johnjohn101> as long as it works with new installs, i don't have a problem fixiing
[03:46] <bjsnider> adobe has the wrong package on their site because the new one has been backported to lucid
[03:46] <bjsnider> but anyway, it's nice to see them releasing 32/64 simultaneously
[03:46] <bjsnider> somebody's kicking butt over there
[03:47] <johnjohn101> all over the linux world they've made huge strides
[03:47] <bjsnider> not in photoshop. you're talking about adobe right?
[03:48] <johnjohn101> i mean just linux stuff
[03:49] <johnjohn101> kernel, flash, unity..
[03:49] <johnjohn101> liboffice,  freerdp will have an upgrade soon.   it's all so so so good
[03:49] <zenrox> linux in general has come a long way
[03:49] <bjsnider> what about photoshop?
[03:50] <johnjohn101> not sure what you mean?
[03:51] <bjsnider> it's native to mac, but they ported it to windows. what about linux?
[03:51] <cyphase> there' imagemagick
[03:51] <cyphase> there's*
[03:51] <cyphase> :P
[03:51] <zenrox> gimp on linux
[03:52] <johnjohn101> does't photoshop work under wine?
[04:01] <needhelp1> did the rc ever come out today?
[04:02] <needhelp1> im assuming it didnt
[04:02] <zenrox> thay dint do rc in this cycle
[04:03] <needhelp1> it looks like they decided to do an rc
[04:03] <needhelp1> one sec
[04:03] <needhelp1> i'll link
[04:03] <needhelp1> kate stewart from canonical said they are coming
[04:04] <needhelp1> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/10/ubuntu-11-10-release-candidate-due-shortly/
[04:04] <zenrox> full releace comming out on the 13th
[04:05] <johnjohn101> two day release candidate?
[04:06] <zenrox> hold on trying to find info
[04:06] <needhelp1> zenrox, that article i linked seems to indicate an RC due sun/mon
[04:08] <dank_> I'm running Wine tests on Oneiric.  Have to use gcc-4.5, the gcc-4.6 in Oneiric is buggy.  Also saw new error "PulseAudio: Unable to create stream: Connection terminated" once, don't know how repeatable that is.
[04:08] <needhelp1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KateStewart
[04:08] <zenrox> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule <--thats it
[04:09] <johnjohn101> i wish there was a way to get the snow effect into 11.10 compiz
[04:10] <zenrox> so katestewart is wrong
[04:10] <zenrox> its FUD
[04:12] <johnjohn101> doesn't matter now.  3 days
[04:13] <zenrox> really
[04:13] <zenrox> right
[04:13] <zenrox> i am running it now any way
[04:13] <johnjohn101> me too, i love it
[04:14] <zenrox> it wouldent do a upgrade
[04:14] <zenrox> but it did do a full install
[04:14] <zenrox> from a usb drive
[04:14] <johnjohn101> i was able to upgrade my 11.04
[04:15] <zenrox> it crashed at "reinstalling packages"
[04:15] <zenrox> no big deal as i use a seprate /home dir
[04:15] <johnjohn101> i had that for about a week but somehow ti figured a way around it
[04:15] <zenrox> so no need to louse important data
[04:16] <zenrox> so i just did a fresh install
[04:23] <Firefishe> I'm trying to install 11.10 beta 2 on an HP Mini 110-3700 netbook.  I installed 11.10 to a usb stick, and it boots up well, and everything seems to run smoothly.  Wi-fi works, and Unity functions flawlessly.  Does anybody know if HP uses firmware BIOS or a file on the h/d?
[04:30] <zenrox> i know my hp g60 lappy (16" screen) use firmware
[04:30] <zenrox> not shure on the mini
[04:36] <saruji> hello, could anyone tell me why am I being asked to insert a cd labeled 11.10 every single time I sudo apt-get install anything
[04:36] <saruji> anyone?
[04:45] <jbicha> saruji: go to Software Sources>Other Software and uncheck the CD line
[04:46] <Firefishe> zenrox: thanks
[04:46] <jbicha> Oneiric was never scheduled to have an official Release Candidate for everyone to use
[04:46] <zenrox> n/p
[04:47] <zenrox> Firefishe, how did i help
[04:47] <Firefishe> zenrox: I figured out how to not mess with the partitions on the mini.  Whether or not I'm able to do a win7/starter system recovery to the existing free space I do not know.
[04:47] <jbicha> there are pre-release images being tested now, but that's not really what you're asking for
[04:48] <zenrox> ok good i kept my hp recovery partions till my warenty ran out
[04:49] <Firefishe> zenrox: There is a \SYSTEM partition on the mini that has a few folders and files in it, and the HP_Tools partition which seems to have some BIOS stuff in it.  Based on that info, I don't know if the BIOS is actually on the drive or in on-board firmware.
[04:49] <zenrox> i notices that on a newer version of my lappy
[04:50] <jbicha> Firefishe: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/BIOS it should always be on-board firmware
[04:50] <Firefishe> jbicha: thank you
[04:51] <Firefishe> zenrox: Do you know if running a system recovery from the 3 DVD's I made will recognize empty freespace and install win 7/starter to that free space?
[04:52] <Firefishe> zenrox: or if it would overwrite the entire drive?
[04:52] <zenrox> probly not it will clear the whole hdd and start over
[04:53] <zenrox> in my experance
[04:53] <zenrox> it will clear the whole drive and start over
[04:53] <Firefishe> zenrox: I see
[04:53] <zenrox> but if you have the dvds id wipe the drive is this test works for you
[04:53] <zenrox> is-if
[04:53] <famgod> how do I get back the gallium 3d driver if I uninstall fglrx?  the other day I did I fresh install of 11.10 and the gallium 3d ATI driver worked fine for most stuff, but one program I couldnt get to work with...so I install 'fglrx'....now today I remove fglrx and am getting ligGl errors which im assuming means the gallium driver isnt working
[04:56] <zenrox> brb need to reboot
[05:07] <Firefishe> wb zenrox
[05:08] <zenrox> thx
[05:08] <zenrox> just finishing my install
[05:08] <zenrox> had to get my nvidia drivers worken
[05:08] <zenrox> installed and 1 quick reboot and bam worked
[05:08] <famgod> anyone know how I can get the gallium 3d driver working again after removing fglrx? im assuming this is a common problem
[05:11] <Firefishe> zenrox: did oneirc just go release?
[05:11] <Firefishe> oneiric
[05:12] <famgod> got another issue, how can I stop my laptop from going into sleep mode when closing the lid?
[05:12] <zenrox> let me look
[05:12] <Firefishe> famgod: perhaps a gong alongside the laptop? *duck* ;)
[05:12] <zenrox> check in power manager
[05:12] <zenrox> your answer is in thare
[05:13] <famgod> ahhh, didnt see that
[05:13] <Firefishe> zenrox: sorry, not really a gen chat chan
[05:13] <famgod> thanks :)
[05:13]  * zenrox farts at Firefishe 
[05:13] <Firefishe> I resemble that remark ;)
[05:13] <zenrox> rofl
[05:13] <Firefishe> just ask my wife ;)
[05:15] <Firefishe> zenrox: anyway, 11.10 has installed, and I am upgrading now.
[05:16] <okee> Is version 11.10 as stable as 11.04?
[05:16] <anotherstiffler> Does anyone have experience with installing/activating drivers that do not currently exist?
[05:16] <okee> Anything negative?
[05:16] <Firefishe> okee:  I had nothing but trouble with 11.04 on my Asus G50V.
[05:16] <zenrox> Firefishe, let take this offtopic talk to #ubuntuforums (my fav offtopic area
[05:16] <okee> Fishe>  What version you recommend?
[05:17] <okee> Hmm.  I don't see anything in the heading that indicates this is off topic.  Perhaps it isn't your topic??
[05:19] <okee> Firefishe are you running 11.10?
[05:19] <Firefishe> okee: Yes
[05:20] <Firefishe> okee: I'd get the 11.10 .iso, install it, then do an upgrade immediately.  If you want stable, you can always go 10.04.3 LTS.
[05:21] <Firefishe> okee: But I'm very happy with 11.10.  I'm using it on the same asus I mentioned earlier.  It's very nice.
[05:21] <Firefishe> both kde and gnome/unity work very well for me.
[05:21] <okee> Thanks for the tip.....
[05:21] <Firefishe> unity is looking very nice on my HP Mini 110 I just got.  Win starter 7 was driving me nutso.
[05:52] <Stefan80> no updates today either is there a freeze?
[05:57] <jbicha> Stefan80: yes, seems there's a Ubuntu release this week ;)
[05:58] <Stefan80> oh so thats why it's been rather stable since last week :P
[06:11] <Ibis> I don't think theres going to be a fix for nvidia geforce fx graphic card users. -.-
[07:18] <kdub__> hey all, with 11.10, 'service gdm stop' says 'unknown instance'. any one else see this?
[07:19] <zniavre> ligtdm maybe ?
[07:19] <zniavre> lightdm*
[07:26] <vlt> Hello. Is this the right place to post problems I experienced while using Ubuntu 11.10?
[07:27] <rww> vlt: for support with them, yes. for bug reports, use the usual place
[07:27] <rww> !bugs
[07:28] <vlt> rww: Thank you.
[07:30] <vlt> When I open the examples folder in my home dir and click on one of the ogg files banshee opens. Then when I close it the music continues playing and I can't stop it. Is this a bug or am I doing it wrong?
[07:31] <rww> I don't use Unity, so I may be wrong about this, but I think that's intended behavior and you use the music indicator or something.
[07:32] <vlt> rww: When I press the pause button in the music indicator nothing happens.
[07:33] <rww> perhaps that's a bug then :\
[07:43] <GirlyGirl> All gtk3 apps and gnome-shell are very slow here ... by slow I mean just the UI, like when placing the mouse on a selection it takes time to annimate and scrolling lags. Even when I launch the apps under kde same thing.
[07:47] <fredrikj> Hi all. The last couple of days I haven't seen any package updates at all for oneiric when I use apt-get update/upgrade. Is that normal this late in the release cycle? (I'm using the swedish mirror)
[07:50] <jbicha> fredrikj: yes, you could enable proposed if you want some updates that haven't been verified to work yet
[07:53] <fredrikj> jbicha: ok, thanks!
[07:53] <GirlyGirl> fredrikj: Try switching the mirror to something else too. The uk mirror didn't have updates for me but main did
[08:25] <Ian_> jbicha, that's just cruel
[09:38] <pr0d> Hi all, Im having severe problems with my nvidia card and the latest 3.0.0-12 kernel since updating last night
[09:39] <pr0d> My main monitor in my dual head configuration is flashing only when oneiric is loaded
[09:40] <pr0d> I have tryed reinstalling nvidia-current via cli and removed old with --purge
[09:40] <pr0d> not really sure where to go from here, any help would be hugely appreciated
[09:43] <howlymowly> hi poeple..   short question, as I got some problems, with aptitude:   http://pastebin.com/J01rq1SS
[09:45] <howlymowly> when I do the upgrade using "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade --full-resolver"  i get this: http://pastebin.com/9BhUz6i6
[09:46] <howlymowly> that' doesn't seem rigth to me as there are a lot of packages, from kde for example
[09:46] <howlymowly> but I use the kde desktop so they should not be removed
[10:48] <psypher246> hi all, i have just installed oneiric on my laptop, been running it in vm for a while, and I am currently experiencing major graphical issues which will stop me from upgrading until fixed. what really concerns me is that I have been logging various bugs, even before natty, about graphics issues  and none of those have been been acknowledged and assigned. So i am very worried about rolling out oneiric. How do i get developer attention to these issu
[10:48] <psypher246> es so that they can be fixed before oneiric is released??
[11:01] <JohnFlux> Ubuntu+1 failed to boot for me, because a disk was missing in the softraid
[11:01] <JohnFlux> 11.04 works just fine, but 11,10 has changed the behaviour and now fails to boot
[11:02] <JohnFlux> instead it asks a question "Continue to boot? y/N"
[11:02] <JohnFlux> but it ignores any keypresses, then times out after about 4 seconds and drops to emergency bash
[11:28] <vega-> JohnFlux: i have the same error
[11:37] <JohnFlux> vega-: support my bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/872220
[11:37] <JohnFlux> As a workaround, you can add "bootdegraded=true" to the kernel boot options.
[11:41] <sagaci> is the ubuntu monospace font just installed by default or is it the active default font for terminal... ie. do I have to switch to using it or is it already set?
[11:54] <Stanley00> sagaci: It's there by default, afaik.
[12:00] <johnjohn101> is there a schedule for 12.04?
[12:00] <Ibyss> What's with the .04, .10, .04 pattern?
[12:01] <Fleck> Ibyss april and october
[12:02] <johnjohn101> i can't wait to see the goal from 12.04.  but i won't have to update my brother from 10.04 anytime soon.  It has 1.5 more years right?
[12:03] <Ibyss> Ah, that makes sense.
[12:03] <th_> it's gonna be released april 2012 ;)
[12:03] <th_> version number itself is the schedule
[12:04] <johnjohn101> the last month or so before the release has to be tough to get everything in
[12:05] <Ibyss> I'm really hoping I can finally use Unity 3D.
[12:06] <Ibyss> No matter what nvidia driver I install. I still will not be able to see unity icons (left side bar).
[12:07] <vsync_> Ibyss try ccsm
[12:07] <vsync_> and enable them from there
[12:07] <GirlyGirl> Unity had trouble for me always .... never worked right ... in 11.10 both unity and gnome-shell work well
[12:07] <vsync_> ...profit
[12:07] <GirlyGirl> Except that everything gtk3 is a bit laggy
[12:08] <Promethes> hi, i am trying to install gnome-shell and apt says to me: "gnome-shell: Depends libcogl2 (>= 1.7.4) but it is not going to be installed". Anyone knows how to install gnome-shell?
[12:08] <Ibyss> vsync_: I did, some stuff were enabled already. (I'm assuming you want me to enable unity plugin for it and such.)
[12:08] <th_> ati drivers still don't work with gnome-shell :/
[12:09] <vsync_> Ibyss no not just the unity plugin
[12:10] <vsync_> Ibyss open up ccsm->desktop->desktop wall
[12:11] <vsync_> If i recall correct
[12:12] <Ibyss> Okay. I'll be right back.
[12:12] <Ibyss> Actually, it's Ubuntu unity plugin, unless you want me to do something else with desktop wall
[12:13] <vlt> Hello. When there's something happening with my network (connection established for example) there's this black popup near the upper right screen corner. When I move the mouse there it gets blurry but doesn't disappear. Is this intentional behaviour?
[12:13] <Ian_Corne> yes
[12:13] <Ian_Corne> It's anotification
[12:13] <Ian_Corne> but it should have some text
[12:13] <vsync_> Ibyss no i don't. I just remember that the thing for the left menu wasn't enabled for me by default
[12:14] <Ibyss> Alrighties.
[12:18] <vlt> Ian_Corne: Yes, there's text. I just don't understand why it gets blurry on mouseover ... hmmm
[12:19] <vlt> Ian_Corne: Aah .... now I see. The mouse still interacts with the window under the notification. That's why.
[12:19] <GirlyGirl> Promethes: any ppa or something you added
[12:20] <GirlyGirl> Promethes: also try sudo apt-get update and try again
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:30] <johnjohn101> will it be possible to move unity bar to the right side of the screen?
[12:30] <zniavre> no yet im thinking
[12:39] <Promethes> GirlyGirl: no ppa, clean install of 11.10 beta, updated
[12:45] <Promethes> in final 11.10 will be possible to install gnome-shell without problems?
[12:52] <BluesKaj> hmm, just updated , update-alternatives: warning: forcing reinstallation of alternative /usr/lib/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf because link group x86_64-linux-gnu_gl_conf is broken.  This seems to happen with every nvidia update . Is there a reason this han't been fixed ..not important or doesn't affect the graphics etc...?
[12:53] <vega-> hmm, i haven't gotten any updates in last 4-5 days or so
[12:54] <gnomefreak> i havent cheaked my emnAIL IN ~2 weeks but maybe due to freeze?
[12:55] <gnomefreak> anyone know if we enabled screensaver settings yet? also dose fglrx drivers work yet?
[12:55] <Ian_Corne> gnomefreak: fglrx doesn't work for me
[12:55] <Ian_Corne> and my computer doesn't suspend/hibernate anymore
[12:55] <GirlyGirl> any idea why lsb_release gives No LSB modules are available.
[12:56] <BluesKaj> GirlyGirl, it always gives that message
[12:57] <gnomefreak> Ian_Corne: thanks. they have been broken for a long time now maybe ~2 months
[12:57] <jbicha> gnomefreak: it's way past feature freeze, no there won't suddenly be a screensaver chooser at this point
[12:57] <GirlyGirl> BluesKaj: Its not supposed to identify the release?
[12:57] <BluesKaj> lsb_release -a
[12:57] <gnomefreak> of course why remove screensavers from a release
[12:58] <jbicha> gnomefreak: they weren't removed from a release, they never were in Oneiric! ;)
[12:58] <GirlyGirl> BluesKaj: Ah I see I forgot the -a ... silly me ... thanks
[12:58] <BluesKaj> for some reason it doesn't give the not available message here anymore
[12:58] <BluesKaj> which is good :)
[12:58] <jbicha> gnomefreak: please direct your frustrations with screensavers to gnome
[12:58] <gnomefreak> jbicha: yes they were. i was able to set a screensaver and have it show up
[12:59] <Ian_Corne> oh like that gnomefreak
[12:59] <jbicha> gnomefreak: what do you mean? setting a specific screensaver has not been possible since before Oneiric Alpha 1
[12:59] <jbicha> you can try installing xscreensaver
[13:00]  * gnomefreak not frustratede in the least i just think it was stupid to remove the settings but keep the screensaver packages in 
[13:00] <gnomefreak> jbicha: i was able to use them
[13:00] <gnomefreak> jbicha: already have it
[13:00] <jbicha> the black screen is considered a screensaver and is the only part of gnome-screensaver left
[13:00] <jbicha> gnomefreak: when? I think you're mistaken
[13:01] <GirlyGirl> On the kde, side the settings are there but there are no screensavers ... an notification to install them comes up but this is understandable as kubuntu always has trouble packaging the cd iso less than 700mb
[13:01] <gnomefreak> jbicha: http://paste.ubuntu.com/706041/
[13:01] <GirlyGirl> Maybe ubuntu did it for the same reason?
[13:02] <gnomefreak> those packages have screensavers in them, so it is not possable to only have gnome-screensaver package with only a black screen
[13:02] <jbicha> gnomefreak: yes you can install those but GNOME removed the chooser when they released 3.0
[13:03] <gnomefreak> jbicha: at least for this release any way. i will check on Oneiric but i am 90% sure i could set a screensaver
[13:04]  * gnomefreak just doesnt understand the reason behind remmoving the settings
[13:05] <jbicha> gnomefreak: gnome is trying to remove complexity
[13:05] <gnomefreak> for end users?
[13:05] <jbicha> we have like 18 patches to gnome-control-center, but no one got to restoring a screensaver chooser
[13:05] <jbicha> yes
[13:06] <gnomefreak> hint win* has a settings for screensavers and i dont hear people having issues with it being to complex
[13:06] <Ian_Corne> :D
[13:06] <Ian_Corne> gnomefreak: it was a source of many virusses tho :D
[13:06] <Ian_Corne> ooh britney spears naked screensaver!
[13:07] <jbicha> gnomefreak: Windows is not the perfect UI...
[13:07] <Ian_Corne> tbh; i couldn't care less about screensavers
[13:07] <Ian_Corne> i want my screen to go into stand-by
[13:07]  * gnomefreak doesnt much care what it is but it should be somethiong other than a black screen(this is not a screensaver) it is however the monitor going into "rest" for lack of better word
[13:07] <Ian_Corne> when a screensaver would pop up
[13:08] <FernandoMiguel> installing debian sid minimal into a VM... 
[13:08] <FernandoMiguel> I missed it
[13:08] <gnomefreak> s/"rest"/"rest mode"
[13:08] <gnomefreak> be back need a smoke
[13:09] <FernandoMiguel> it's weird how old the karnal is
[13:09] <Ibis> Kernel.
[13:10] <Ian_Corne> what kernel FernandoMiguel ?
[13:11] <FernandoMiguel> 2.6.32
[13:11] <Ian_Corne> in SID?
[13:11] <FernandoMiguel> Ibis: it's a joke.... karnal.... :D
[13:11] <FernandoMiguel> yep
[13:12] <Ibis> xD
[13:23] <gnomefreak> it seems for some reason importing wallpapers set one. close setting box than open it again and not all the wall papars are there. it my case out of 30 or so it least at most 10
[13:25] <gnomefreak> i guess i will file a bunch of bugs tomorrow or when ever i can get back online
[13:27] <FernandoMiguel> https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=99835&thanks=99835&ts=1318339615
[13:27] <jMCg> Is there a good reason why suspending my machine should only work *once* ?
[13:30] <Ibis> jMCg: What happened AFTER you suspended your machine? (hibernate)
[13:31] <jMCg> Ibis: no. suspend. Hibernate is no longer supported, for whatever reason. And: Nothing. It hangs trying to suspend. I get a blinking cursor. Hard to tell what the machine does in that kibnd of state.
[13:31] <FernandoMiguel> jMCg: do you have a swap bigger then your RAM?
[13:32] <FernandoMiguel> if not, you can't hibernate
[13:32] <FernandoMiguel> everytime I suspend, I loose my trackpad and bluetooth
[13:32] <FernandoMiguel> :(
[13:32] <jMCg> what the.... http://sprunge.us/SRic
[13:32] <jMCg> FernandoMiguel: *not* Hibernate. suspend.
[13:33] <jMCg> Who set this machine up..?
[13:34]  * jMCg usually assigns double swap as there is RAM.
[13:34] <FernandoMiguel> jMCg: you said you can't hibernate.... hence me asking
[13:35] <jMCg> FernandoMiguel: I said I can't hibernate any more. Since after the update.
[13:37] <Ibis> jMCg: I never really got that feature to work, it's been buggy with me for such a long time. I never really did like suspend anyway.
[13:38] <jMCg> Ibis: I know it only takes 15 seconds to boot, but.. still.. going through all the motions when I could simply suspend. I don't care how much you like it or not. I need it as a device productivity.
[13:39] <ali1234> on this machine suspend takes significantly longer than rebooting
[13:39] <ali1234> like 5 minutes
[13:39] <jMCg> ali1234: suspend or hibernate?
[13:39] <ali1234> either
[13:40] <ali1234> for most of the 5 minutes, the monitor turns on and off for no reason
[13:40] <ali1234> it's quite amusing to watch
[13:41] <jMCg> ali1234: how can that be? hibernate should copy the entire RAM into swap (freeing swap in the process if necessary) -- suspend should only freeze everything and keep the power running to refresh the RAM.
[13:41] <ali1234> i dunno
[13:41] <jMCg> One is an OS function, the other is a hardware function.
[13:41] <ali1234> how can it "free swap" anyway?
[13:42] <jMCg> Writing dirty pages to disk for instance.
[13:43] <Ibis> jMCg: Understood.
[13:45] <Ibis> jMCg: I see a topic named "Suspend only works once" on Launchpad for bug report, I'm not sure if that's even fixed. So the first time you did this, worked if I understoof you properly.
[13:47] <jMCg> Ibis: first time works, second time hangs.
[13:47] <Ibis> jMCg: Might want to take a look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1359382             Not sure this will solve the problem for users of Ubuntu 11.10 beta though
[13:48] <jMCg> Not immediate wakeup. Hangup.
[13:49] <madjoe> How can I reinstall compiz?
[13:49] <jMCg> Why?
[13:50] <madjoe> I think I've lost it in recent upgrades
[13:50] <Atamisk> Hello, i'm debugging a small issue with LightDM's unity-greeter, and i noticed something odd. the log file for unity-greeter can't be created. The lightDM log thhrows a Permission Denied error for Unity-greeter's log. any idea why?
[13:51] <Ibis> madjoe: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/how-to-reset-unity-launcher-icons-or.html                         For "resetting compiz to default".
[13:52] <madjoe> Ibis: thnx
[13:52] <Ibis> madjoe: To install compiz (Assuming it's removed, or doesn't exist): sudo apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager
[13:52] <madjoe> Ibis: would it warn me if it's installed properly?
[13:53] <Ibis> I have no idea. I never go far to the point I would need to reinstall compiz. O_O
[13:53] <madjoe> ok
[13:54] <Ibis> Removing compiz may result  in catastrophic effects. (So think 3 times before trying).
[14:15] <Atamisk> anybody know why lightDM seems to have logfile permissions errors? Just curious
[15:04] <bizzerlee> Hello. I am playing with 11.10. I have an ati ( VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV710 [Radeon HD 4350] ) card using the radeon driver. The contents of nautilus become distorted - big black bars appear - when I scroll. Any ideas?
[15:04] <bizzerlee> the distortion also occurs in dialogue boxes eg select a keyboard
[15:06] <sonicated> I have upgraded my VM to oneiric and it won't boot. If I follow the OMGBroken instructions I can get it back up and it appears to be ok but still won't reboot, the virtual console last displays "mount request for 'tmpfs' at '/run/shm'". Can anyone advise me how I can get it to cleanly reboot?
[15:06] <BluesKaj> bizzerlee, the recommended driver or the default that was installed with the OS? if so check admin >additional drivers for the recommended ati driver.
[15:09] <jetsaredim> is there any way to get rid of the black bar at the top of the screen with "File/Edit/View/Go/Bookmarks/Help" on it?
[15:10] <jetsaredim> I've installed gnome-shell and then changed the theme to something with a bit of transparency and there seems to be a type of status bar that was hiding under the gnome shell bar
[15:15] <sonicated> I have upgraded my VM to oneiric and it won't boot. If I follow the OMGBroken instructions I can get it back up and it appears to be ok but still won't reboot, the virtual console last displays "mount request for 'tmpfs' at '/run/shm'". Can anyone advise me how I can get it to cleanly reboot?
[15:17] <silverarrow> hi
[15:17] <silverarrow> I have burned both Ubuntu and lubuntu from this list http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/
[15:17] <charlie-tca> Um, those just finished rebuilding again
[15:19] <silverarrow> is it rebuilding all the time now?
[15:19] <charlie-tca> Every time there is a critical bug found, it will be fixed and the images rebuilt
[15:20] <silverarrow> If I burn and install the latest version, is there a chance it works well enough to update to final release?
[15:20] <silverarrow> I see
[15:20] <charlie-tca> I show Lubuntu imges being rebuilt according the ISO tracker
[15:20] <charlie-tca> yes, there is a chance
[15:20] <silverarrow> I suppose there are not such thing as a totally bug free os
[15:20] <charlie-tca> no, but critical bug free is important.
[15:21] <silverarrow> i installed last Friday's daily and it was a mess
[15:21] <silverarrow> lubuntu
[15:21] <silverarrow> I tried Ubuntu live, and it seemed to work
[15:23] <dr_willis> beta has been very good for me. so far
[15:23] <silverarrow> ubuntu or lubuntu?
[15:23] <silverarrow> I like Totem, but on one of my laptops, it just is too much
[15:24] <dr_willis> i am on a headless box so  neither. :-)
[15:24] <silverarrow> headless nick
[15:24] <silverarrow> hmm
[15:24] <silverarrow> server?
[15:24] <dr_willis> 10 plus days uptine right now
[15:25] <silverarrow> that's pretty good, might update to final release
[15:25] <genii-around> dr_willis: Are you using ksplice for updates?
[15:25] <dr_willis> genii-around:  i just havent rebooted..
[15:25] <genii-around> dr_willis: Heh, OK
[15:26] <dr_willis> its a desktop box.. i just newded the monitor and keybord for anorheer box
[15:27] <dr_willis> 11 days so far.
[15:27] <silverarrow> only two to go,
[15:28]  * genii-around twitches in anticipation!
[15:28] <dr_willis> its running my znc server mainly
[15:28] <silverarrow> I need to get lubuntu going
[15:28] <silverarrow> I was too optimistic and installed 11.10,
[15:29] <silverarrow> did not work at all with package manager, or updates
[15:29] <silverarrow> not in terminal either
[15:29] <silverarrow> I hope they don't mess too much with driver packages
[15:32] <GirlyGirl> Any one running Kubuntu oneric can you confirm gtk3 kde integration does not work
[15:34] <BluesKaj> GirlyGirl, what do mean by integration ?
[15:34] <BluesKaj> you mean
[15:35] <yofel> GirlyGirl: there is no gtk3 theme, thus no integration
[15:35]  * genii-around likes yofel's logic
[15:35] <BluesKaj> GirlyGirl, you choose the desired desktop at login
[15:35] <GirlyGirl> yofel: Ah ok ... maybe I'll create one later
[15:36] <silverarrow> what kind of connotations is oneric suppose to give
[15:36] <silverarrow> ?
[15:36] <silverarrow> on-eric
[15:36] <silverarrow> one-ric
[15:36] <GirlyGirl> BluesKaj: I was referring to running a gtk3 app under KDE
[15:36] <yofel> you can install a gtk3 theme if you want, I don't know when the oxygen team will add gtk3 support
[15:37] <BluesKaj> GirlyGirl, as far graphics is concerned , don't expect much ...the app should run in KDE but it will still look like a kde app
[15:37] <yofel> BluesKaj: no it won't it'll look gtk1 style - as we have no gtk3 theme in kubuntu
[15:39] <BluesKaj> yofel, and that's the way it should be IMO ..if you want gtk3 then use agnome desktop
[15:40] <yofel> well, just saying. There's not much we can do right now at least, the most we care about is firefox, which is gtk2 and fine
[15:40] <BluesKaj> :)
[15:40] <yofel> bbl
[15:41]  * BluesKaj doesn't want cartooney gnome apps cluttering up his clean kde install :)
[15:43] <silverarrow> what does the line across the name mean ? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/
[15:43] <GirlyGirl> BluesKaj: Generally I don't too but occasionally users will encounter gtk apps
[15:43]  * BluesKaj makes one exception with synapticc
[15:43] <GirlyGirl> fortunately gimp is gtk2
[15:43] <alkisg> How can I change the default session to gnome-session-fallback for *all* users in my system?
[15:44] <BluesKaj> yeah, GirlyGirl , we have to take the good with bad :)
[15:45] <BluesKaj> or the reverse
[16:03] <lee__> Ok
[16:03] <lee__>  ello using Kubuntu 11.10. and noticed soe really things, any one in here?
[16:04] <BluesKaj> BBL...stuff to do
[16:04] <lee__> ok
[16:13] <vooze> Hey guys, i recently disable globalmenu extension, and after that i still dont see the "normal menu" i have ofcouse retryed, restart, ALT + F2: r, etc.etc. what am i missing?
[16:13] <vooze> gnome shell btw.
[16:21] <Silviu-> Hello, have a small "problem" with Ubuntu 11.10 RC x64 . I installed it today on my PC, graphic card nvidia 9800 GTX+ graphic drivers 280.13 monitor is a Benq FP93gwa with a resolution of 1440x900 , and a USB KVM with 4 ports . Problem is that Ubunto won`t recognize my resolution and when i manually set it from nvidia X server it is "bigger" then my screen i must move the mouse to see settings
[16:21] <Silviu-> button for example or Unity dock bar
[16:25] <Silviu-> Anyone ? :P also tryed to downgrade drivers to 173 series and tryed to update to 285 drivers, point when X would not start anymore and had to reinstall
[16:33] <alkisg> How can I change the default session to "gnome-fallback" for *all* users in my oneiric system?
[16:38] <suhel> girlygirl here?
[16:38] <GirlyGirl> yes
[16:39] <suhel> GirlyGirl waht could be the possible problem then?
[16:39] <GirlyGirl> suhel: I would not not advice downgrading the kernel like than to a maverick one. I will break the system
[16:40] <GirlyGirl> suhel: Why do you want to downgrade it firstly
[16:40] <suhel> girlygirl I was skeptical about it too but the one who gave me the advice was pretty sure
[16:40] <GirlyGirl> suhel: What was the issue for?
[16:41] <suhel> GirlyGirl as a measure to test the power bug, you remember?  I'd a long discussion with you and Joedublin on Saturay?
[16:41] <GirlyGirl> That "bug" is really fixed and has nothing to do with your issue at all
[16:42] <suhel> girlygirl the description of the bug exactly matches my problem
[16:42] <GirlyGirl> send the bug link again
[16:42] <suhel> gimme a second
[16:44] <suhel> GirlyGirl https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/760131
[16:47] <GirlyGirl> suhel: Install a program called "batterycare" on windows and remove ac and monitor the discharge rate, then boot ubuntu and check the discharge rate with "cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state" and compare with the windows value ... use same brightness, wifi bluetooth settings for both tests
[16:48] <GirlyGirl> suhel: Also check battery health with "cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info"
[16:48] <yofel> you can monitor the power usage with 'upower --dump' - look for energy-rate
[16:49] <suhel> girlygirl before I download and check it, I just have used for 3hours on windows7 today and it still had juice... and with the same settings and things I'd done
[16:49] <suhel> on ubuntu I got battery around 1 hour 5mins approx
[16:49] <yofel> suhel: does adding 'pcie_aspm=force' to your kernel options help ?
[16:49] <suhel> yofel no, I already tried it
[16:49] <yofel> then at least file a new bug, that one's become a mess
[16:50] <suhel> yofel yeah they closed it today, said file new bugs with system specs in new thread
[16:51] <yofel> there's really no proper way to close a bug like that, so might as well close it in *some* way
[16:51] <yofel> I've got a bug for my system
[16:52] <GirlyGirl> suhel: Does using an older version of ubuntu with an old kernel help?
[16:52] <suhel> yofel this is what they said "This patch improves the situation for at least one person (#168) so I'm
[16:52] <suhel> marking this verification-done. Furthermore,  this bug report has become
[16:52] <suhel> unmanageable. We'll be looking at this issue during the LTS development
[16:52] <suhel> cycle, so everyone please start your own bug with your hardware
[16:52] <suhel> specifics attached."
[16:53] <yofel> yes, it'll help if you have a new enough system with a cpu that supports EBP
[16:53] <yofel> mine doesn't so the fix doesn't help me
[16:53] <suhel> Girlygirl like I said  I'm not seeing the old kernel version in my boot menu.. dats the reason I wanted to test old version to check if tis fault with kernel
[16:54] <suhel> yofel I donno about it but I got a new laptop just 4 months old
[16:54] <yofel> suhel: you can get a mainline build from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[16:54] <yofel> suhel: does 'cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -i ebp' show something?
[16:54] <suhel> yofel am new to Ubuntu so donno the jargons, whats main line hehe
[16:55] <suhel> yofel nope nothing guess I got an old system lol
[16:55] <yofel> suhel: mainline = unpatched linux kernel. As the ubuntu one has quite a few modifications and backported fixes
[16:55] <suhel> yofel is it really safe to use a mainline kernel? just want to be on the safe side for now
[16:55] <yofel> suhel: well, depends - read this if you're interested: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_linux_epb&num=1
[16:56] <yofel> suhel: well... mostly, unreleased new versions *might* have a risk, but if it's just an older one it should work
[16:56] <bjsnider> of course it's safe
[16:56] <yofel> as long as your system isn't so new that an old kernel won't support it
[16:57] <suhel> yofel yeah I've that patched kernel installed already, on my boot menu it says 3.0.1 the one that link is talking about
[16:57] <yofel> suhel: if you file a kernel bug you'll be asked to test the newest mainline build anyway
[16:57] <suhel> bjsnider yofel is there a specific way to install the kernel? would 'sudo dpkg -i <kernel>' do?
[16:58] <yofel> that'll do
[16:58] <GirlyGirl> suhel: If you want you can compile the kernel with your own config ... mind you there are loads of config options
[16:58] <suhel> yofel *sighs* I tried that with a maverick kernel but the boot menu dont show it
[16:58] <GirlyGirl> !kernel | suhel
[16:58] <yofel> suhel: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[16:58] <yofel> !grub2 | suhel
[16:58] <suhel> girlygirl that would be too advance for a newbie like me
[16:59] <yofel> suhel: since grub2 the boot menu doesn't show up by default
[16:59] <suhel> yofel I did a sudo grub-update
[17:00] <yofel> a) it's sudo update-grub, b) unless you uncommend the hidden options that won't change a thing and you'll still have to hold left shift pressed at boot to get to the boot menu
[17:00] <GirlyGirl> suhel: is the image in /boot ?
[17:00] <suhel> yofel yes sorry typo :)
[17:00] <yofel> suhel: wait, what did you install?
[17:00] <suhel> girlygirl didnt get you? should I check the /boot directory
[17:01] <GirlyGirl> suhel: yes list the file contents in there
[17:01] <suhel> yofel sounds odd but I tried to install the 2.6.35 kernel, (hides my face behind the curtain lol)
[17:01] <yofel> the *image* - right?
[17:02] <suhel> yofel the file name is 'kernel-image-2.6.35-24-generic-di_2.6.35-24.42_amd64.udeb' am using 64bit
[17:02] <suhel> girlygirl no mention of 2.6.35 anywhere in /boot
[17:02] <yofel> uh... that should be .deb, not udeb
[17:02] <suhel> yofel i downloaded it from http://packages.ubuntu.com
[17:03] <yofel> suhel: just take a mainline build for 2.6.37 - that was the last kernel before the regression
[17:03] <FernandoMiguel> suhel: I like to use launchpad bette
[17:03] <FernandoMiguel> *r
[17:04] <suhel> yofel what version it would be in ? natty?
[17:04] <GirlyGirl> suhel: hmm this is my battery status on oneric ... but I don't believe its a correct value http://paste.ubuntu.com/706230/
[17:04] <bjsnider> yofel, what is the problem?
[17:04] <yofel> bjsnider: he wanted to do some power measuring on 2.6.37 to compare it with the current one
[17:04] <suhel> FernandoMiguel for what
[17:04] <yofel> or on << 2.6.38 for that matter
[17:05] <yofel> suhel: take the image .deb from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.37.6-natty/
[17:05] <suhel> girlygirl how can I generate such a stat?
[17:05] <GirlyGirl> upower --dump' - look for energy-rate
[17:05] <suhel> yofel but tis mainline? do Ive to compile it? I have no knowledge of compilation
[17:05] <GirlyGirl> cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info
[17:05] <yofel> noooo
[17:05] <GirlyGirl> cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state
[17:06] <yofel> suhel: if you read .deb you only have to dpkg -i it
[17:06] <suhel> yofel thanks I would try it..
[17:06] <yofel> suhel: and make sure you get to the grub menu, or the system will simply boot the newer one
[17:07] <FernandoMiguel> design capacity:         5000 mAh
[17:07] <FernandoMiguel> last full capacity:      3116 mAh
[17:07] <FernandoMiguel> it's dead Jim
[17:07] <suhel> yofel didnt get the thing
[17:07] <suhel> yofel you mean I have to do the update-grub thingy?
[17:08] <yofel> suhel: no, dpkg will take care of that
[17:08] <yofel> suhel: I mean you have to get to the grub menu as the grub2 wiki page explains
[17:08] <GirlyGirl> last time I tried an old kernel on a new ubuntu release, it resulted in kernel panick ... makes the keyboard lights blink like a hazard light!
[17:09] <alkisg> To answer my own question, "gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.session session-name gnome-fallback" didn't work, but editing lightdm.conf did it
[17:09] <suhel> Girlygirl http://paste.ubuntu.com/706232/
[17:10] <suhel> yofel I would read it thanks
[17:12] <GirlyGirl> suhel: Try "cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info"
[17:15] <suhel> Girlygirl http://paste.ubuntu.com/706236/
[17:15] <suhel> yofel you still here?
[17:16] <GirlyGirl> suhel: There we go dell battery already damaged
[17:16] <suhel> girlygirl damaged?
[17:16] <suhel> girlygirl how exactly?
[17:16] <GirlyGirl> suhel: see lines 2 and 3 in your last paste
[17:17] <GirlyGirl> The last total capacity is less than the total designed capacity for the battery
[17:17] <suhel> Girlygirl but the difference aint too much? my battery capacity says 86% in ubuntu battery stats
[17:17] <yofel> well, that's not *that* bad, depend on the age and use of the battery ofc.
[17:18] <GirlyGirl> yofel: its a 4 month old comp he has!
[17:18] <FernandoMiguel> hoaw
[17:18] <FernandoMiguel> that's a lot
[17:18] <suhel> yofel dude, am so lost... what do you mean by get to the grub menu, that grub page is damn confusing lol
[17:18] <FernandoMiguel> design capacity:         5000 mAh
[17:18] <FernandoMiguel> last full capacity:      3116 mAh
[17:18] <FernandoMiguel> mine is almost 4yo
[17:18] <yofel> suhel: hold left shift pressed on / after the bios screen
[17:19] <GirlyGirl> Mine is 2 years ...
[17:19] <GirlyGirl> present:                 yes
[17:19] <suhel> yofel short and sweet thanks lol
[17:19] <GirlyGirl> design capacity:         4300 mAh
[17:19] <GirlyGirl> last full capacity:      4577 mAh
[17:19] <GirlyGirl> battery technology:      rechargeable
[17:19] <GirlyGirl> design voltage:          10800 mV
[17:19] <GirlyGirl> design capacity warning: 256 mAh
[17:19] <GirlyGirl> design capacity low:     0 mAh
[17:19] <GirlyGirl> cycle count:              0
[17:19] <GirlyGirl> capacity granularity 1:  43 mAh
[17:19] <GirlyGirl> capacity granularity 2:  43 mAh
[17:19] <GirlyGirl> model number:            1005HA
[17:19] <GirlyGirl> serial number:
[17:19] <GirlyGirl> battery type:            LION
[17:19]  * yofel isn't sure what the guarantee rules for batteries are these days
[17:19] <GirlyGirl> OEM info:                ASUS
[17:19] <GirlyGirl> sorry for the flood
[17:19] <yofel> !paste | GirlyGirl
[17:19] <GirlyGirl> yofel: I know, I though I copied only two lines
[17:20] <suhel> girlygirl I guess all that problem occured after I started using 11.10
[17:20] <GirlyGirl> suhel: did 11.04 work?
[17:20] <yofel> hm, Battery 0: design capacity 4158 mAh, last full capacity 3376 mAh = 81%
[17:20] <yofel> and that's ~4y too
[17:20] <suhel> girlygirl yes quite well
[17:21] <yofel> well, then we at least know that 2.6.37 or 35 won't help
[17:21] <yofel> as natty had 2.6.38
[17:21] <suhel> yofel I was told by Girlygirl that Dell batteries suck lol
[17:21] <suhel> girlygirl you had your dell batteries dead in a year?
[17:22] <yofel> suhel: more like you should look up how old the battery is and the guarantee rules. If it dies to fast you might be able to get a replacement
[17:22] <GirlyGirl> suhel: My brothers actuall xps m1530
[17:23] <suhel> yofel lets see how much do they last, I was really dying to make a transition from Windows to Ubuntu but this bug killed all the enthusiasm
[17:24] <suhel> I've downloaded the old kernel lets see how things go, thanks yofel Girlygirl & (fernandomiguel for the intermittent comments) , will let you know guys asap
[17:24] <GirlyGirl> suhel: its just that Dell for some reason dies to fast with there newer comps (considering the people I know who bought dells) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=1024&bih=460&site=webhp&q=+site:en.community.dell.com+dell+battery+problems
[17:26] <suhel> Girlygirl just a general question... can I use other manufacturer's battery in place of Dell's?
[17:26] <yofel> nope, at least not unless it fits into your notebook
[17:26] <yofel> and has the same specs
[17:26] <GirlyGirl> suhel: There are after market things unsupported by "dell"
[17:27] <suhel> yofel darn, am stuck with dell lol... bye for now :)
[17:27] <GirlyGirl> but I saw an interesting external battery that plugs in AC one day
[17:27] <GirlyGirl> google instant search suggests "dell battery not charging" when you type "dell battery" and everybody's dell lowers battery life then stops charging
[17:27] <suhel> Girlygirl yeah I saw that just now, I would soon join the elite list I guess lol
[17:28] <GirlyGirl> suhel: But actually why don't you remove the battery if you use ac a lot
[17:42] <BluesKaj> GirlyGirl, have you tried A/C without the battery installed ...on most laptops it won't work , because the battery is part of the circuit
[17:43] <GirlyGirl> BluesKaj: it works on all laptops I have used after 2005
[17:43] <GirlyGirl> BluesKaj: That's the mobile phone concept
[17:44] <BluesKaj> wish daughter would return my laptop, so i could try that :P
[18:23] <gunksta> Any gear-heads in here today? When I start up Kontact (updated Kubuntu 11.10), the akonadi connections to my work email (POP) and gmail account (IMAP) are turned off every single time. I can use akonadi console to start them, but I really shouldn't have to do that. Thoughts?
[18:38] <kyle__> There's probably going to be a really easy answer for this but...
[18:38] <kyle__> Why isn't netbeans in the repos for 11.10?  How can we get it back?
[18:40] <Pici> kyle__: Take a look at bug #822753
[18:43] <kyle__> Awe.  It was never cumbersome or unstable, just a little dated.  It's like scite, even old versions are an invaluable programming tool.
[18:43] <kyle__> Having it in the repo made it really easy for multi-machine administration.
[18:45] <kyle__> I wonder why they didn't just repackage the official, like the oracle-jdk-6 package does.
[18:45] <bjsnider> "there is no enough resources to support and update the packages." interesting
[18:45] <bjsnider> it's such a fast-moving target that the debian maintainer can't keep up?
[18:46] <kyle__> I really didn't think it was.  Major updates what, once a year?  patches every month or so?
[18:49] <bjsnider> is there not a ppa?
[18:54] <iceroot> kyle__: its not allowed to put java in a package anymore
[18:54] <iceroot> kyle__: thanks to oracle
[18:56] <silverlightning> hi
[18:56] <silverlightning> do you know how dependent lubuntu/buntu is on swap?
[18:59] <jtaylor> depends on how much ram you have
[18:59] <jtaylor> last I used xubuntu is a while ago, but there 1GB ram was more than enough to never swap
[18:59] <jtaylor> lubuntu should be even better
[19:00] <silverlightning> I have 1GB ram
[19:00] <silverlightning> I did add swap though
[19:00] <jtaylor> should be fine with minimal swap
[19:00] <silverlightning> it said installation might go wrong if there was no swap
[19:00] <iceroot> if the system is swapping it doesnt mean its out of ram
[19:00] <silverlightning> I got the advice to have twice the swap of ram?
[19:01] <jtaylor> no
[19:01] <jtaylor> 1*ram is enough if you hibernate
[19:01] <jtaylor> when you don't you can often do with less
[19:01] <silverlightning> still, I have 2gb swap, cannot be bad?
[19:01] <silverlightning> booted fine
[19:01] <jtaylor> no
[19:01] <jtaylor> too much swap is just wasted diskspace but is no harm
[19:02] <silverlightning> then i will just keep it, install seem to work
[19:02] <jtaylor> swap is not so important anymore with supercheap ram and disks still as slow as 20 years ago
[19:03] <silverlightning> 7200rmp is still nice though
[19:03] <silverlightning> or even 5400
[19:03] <jtaylor> the latency stil sucks, and that is what is important for memory
[19:03] <bjsnider> iceroot, netbeans can't be built against external openjdk packages?
[19:07] <silverlightning> is package manager different from 11.04?
[19:07] <charlie-tca> also, having a swap file/partition does not mean it will get used
[19:08] <silverlightning> packages available I mean
[19:08] <silverlightning> that would be a waste
[19:08] <charlie-tca> There is a little difference, yes
[19:09] <charlie-tca> silverlightning: most of the changes will never be seen by normal users
[19:09] <silverlightning> just figuring out how to mark of for restricted
[19:09] <silverlightning> i see
[19:13] <silverlightning> it looks like restricteds have to be downloaded from terminal
[19:14] <silverlightning> do I dare go for this version, and treat it like main os?
[19:14] <silverlightning> I downloaded FreeBSD
[19:15] <silverlightning> there was a guy bragging something awful about it
[19:15] <phibxr> silverlightning, did you search for 'restricted' in ubuntu software center?
[19:15] <silverlightning> yes
[19:15] <phibxr> silverlightning, strange, it showed up here. and still does
[19:16] <silverlightning> hmm
[19:16] <silverlightning> one more try
[19:16] <silverlightning> I hope the critical bugs are sorted out, at least quickly by update
[19:18] <phibxr> http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/2045/restrictedp.png <- this is what it looks like for me right now
[19:19] <silverlightning> found them
[19:19] <phibxr> :D
[19:19] <silverlightning> odd they didn't appear at once?
[19:19] <phibxr> my only explanation would be that they are a bit shy after all the patent wars raging everywhere.
[19:20] <silverlightning> yes, very likely
[19:20] <silverlightning> buntus are up against strong forces
[19:21] <silverlightning> Puppy linux have sort of the same issues, but worked around it a bit different
[19:21] <phibxr> hehe, haven't tried that one.
[19:21] <silverlightning> I hope I need most of the metapackage
[19:22] <silverlightning> it it nice, light, a bit flimsy at times
[19:22] <silverlightning> depending very much on hardware
[19:23] <silverlightning> html5 works fine?
[19:24] <phibxr> seems to be working great in chromium under 11.10. :)
[19:25] <silverlightning> microsoft corefront installer? what?
[19:26] <silverlightning> I like the FF addon, flash video replacer
[19:26] <silverlightning> might add firefox
[19:27] <silverlightning> have any of you tried BSD?
[19:27] <silverlightning> I wonder if os proper and grub2 would handle it as dual boot
[19:35] <silverlightning> hi again
[19:35] <silverlightning> do builders ever consider softmaker for buntus?
[19:36] <silverlightning> it is much lighter than open office
[19:36] <silverlightning> quite nice
[19:38] <silverlightning> Softmaker is open source and 2008 version is free
[19:38] <silverlightning> Softmaker is open source and 2008 version is free
[19:40] <silverlightning> No one thinks well of SoftMaker?
[19:40] <silverlightning> it's full featured, and comparable to MS Office
[19:41] <silverlightning> hmm
[19:41] <vlt> Hello. What program is used as calender and contacts app in 11.10?
[19:42] <silverlightning> vlt, osmo
[19:42] <gunksta> silverlightning:softmaker is not FOSS.
[19:43] <silverlightning> foss?
[19:43] <vlt> silverlightning: Now gedit seems to be default program for calendar data ...
[19:43] <gunksta> silverlightning:short hand for open source
[19:43] <silverlightning> see, hmm, are you sure?
[19:44] <gunksta> silverlightning:yep
[19:44] <silverlightning> maybe that's why it's not in package manager
[19:44] <gunksta> silverlightning:http://www.softmaker.com/english/license2010_en.htm
[19:44] <silverlightning> there is a version that would work with buntus I think though
[19:44] <silverlightning> oh, it is the 2008 version that is free
[19:45] <gunksta> silverlightning: free does not automatically mean open source. Example - Flash
[19:46] <phibxr> another example: headache.
[19:47] <silverlightning> unfortunate, SM is lighter
[19:47] <silverlightning> however, I installed libre office two seconds ago
[19:48] <silverlightning> and launches quicker
[19:48] <NoTV__> I want to put Ubuntu on an empty USB. What type/format should the USB be and what file system should I use?
[19:50] <silverlightning> do I have gecko by default in lubuntu?
[19:53] <iceroot> NoTV__: ext3 or ext4, what you like more
[19:53] <iceroot> NoTV__: if you mean "install to usb"
[19:53] <NoTV__> iceroot: I'm trying the Startup Disk Creator right now.
[19:54] <NoTV__> iceroot: We'll see if it works in a couple of minutes.
[19:58] <silverlightning> what packages would conflict with mplayer-geck setup?
[20:01] <silverlightning> nobody really knows do they
[20:01] <silverlightning> daft
[20:01] <iceroot> silverlightning: apt-get and aptitude knows it
[20:01] <iceroot> silverlightning: why not asking them?
[20:01] <silverlightning> i did use package manager to install restricted packages
[20:02] <silverlightning> which would mean apt-get?
[20:02] <silverlightning> with gui
[20:02] <iceroot> silverlightning: aptitude is much better for something like that
[20:02] <iceroot> silverlightning: to find out why something is not working
[20:06] <silverlightning> why does this keep happening
[20:07] <iceroot> you know what a beta is?
[20:13] <jtaylor> a beta two days to release and in deep freeze :)
[20:13] <jtaylor> issues hit now will most likely also be in the release
[20:19] <kyle__> so, issues like, can't alter the sound, and webcam drivers being all wonky, won't be fixed in the release?
[20:20] <lucas-arg> solution, dont upgrade until all major bugs are fixed
[20:21] <kyle__> Unfortunately enough is wrong with 11.04 that some major bugs are better than the instability.
[20:22] <lucas-arg> in linux, latest doesnt mean always the best
[20:24] <kyle__> lucas-arg: I'm quite aware of that.  I'm also aware of the fact that 10.x was rock solid on my laptop, until some update that gave me corrupted graphics when scrolling.  So 11.04 was necessary to use my machine for day to day purposes.  And 11.10 (finally) includes a driver for the SD card reader, which is awfully nice to have.
[20:26] <lucas-arg> i dont understand why, but instead of progressing sometimes devs go backwards in each release... they should make them more stable secure and easy to install or upgrade, but its always a pain in the a"#
[20:27] <lucas-arg> for me 11.04 is great, i tried 11.10 and it was really unstable unity crashed, sound with pulseaudio crashed with skype... etc etc etc
[20:28] <kyle__> lucas-arg: It's why projects with paid teams end up doing so well.  Everyone likes coding the cool fun part of it: pretty graphics, new features, a neat trick. People volunteer to do that part.  But nobody likes profiling code, hadling nasty edge cases, etc.
[20:29] <lucas-arg> i always compare ubuntu with osx, osx is always better, copyin ideas from other or whatever, but its always better.... maybe as time goes by, we will have a really cool 11.10 release and just when its stable and cool enough, a new release will came up
[20:29] <lucas-arg> lol
[20:30] <kyle__> lucas-arg: Hum.  There were issues for me, primarily if you walk away while it's under heavy mem usage, it screensavers, then crashes. I did run memtest86, all seems OK....
[20:31] <silverlightning> I'm on  a new mac daily, not that fantastic?
[20:31] <silverlightning> or rather, latest desktopmodel
[20:31] <kyle__> silverlightning: So, mc'mini, iMac, or MacPro?
[20:32] <silverlightning> imac
[20:33] <silverlightning> the one with everything sort of integrated in the screen,
[20:34] <silverlightning> large screen
[20:34] <silverlightning> it is really nice
[20:34] <silverlightning> however, does have some issues
[20:35] <silverlightning> it mess up schematics at work, the program they use to set up pay/hours
[20:35] <silverlightning> that is a horror really
[20:35] <silverlightning> and it keeps disconnecting from the router
[20:35] <silverlightning> for no apparent reason
[20:36] <silverlightning> which mess up printing, cause printer is set up via router
[20:37] <silverlightning> IT gang at work have been working on it for ages, and still the same on the newest macs
[20:37] <silverlightning> for some reason windows computers are not affected
[20:37] <silverlightning> the issue with wireless disconnecting, is on one particular computer
[20:39] <silverlightning> mac osx has to be better than Ubuntu what ever they do, unless Ubuntu guys are allowed to choose hardware, make a drivers,
[20:39] <kyle__> silverlightning: Is it wirelessly connected?  I've had some apple hardware be really finicky about wireless access.
[20:39] <silverlightning> yes, really annoying with the mac wireless
[20:40]  * kyle__ finds OSX to be a perfectly acceptible unix, unless you want to admin it like a normal unix...
[20:40] <silverlightning> and only on the mac, not other computers, linux or windows
[20:40] <silverlightning> did you ever fix issues with wireless on macs kyle__?
[20:41] <kyle__> By using an apple airport at home.  Although we had one airport that actually caused the issue, and apple replaced it without a word, even though it was 4 months out of warantee.
[20:41] <kyle__> They're pretty awesome when it comes to that sort of service.
[20:44] <silverlightning> apple center in my town is sort of iffy
[20:44] <silverlightning> not so good service and they could
[20:44] <silverlightning> hope they are this time
[20:45] <silverlightning> they have offered to take computer in for service and checkup, and will keep it for two weeks
[20:45] <vsync_> they really branded os x as an unix as a pr-trick
[20:45] <silverlightning> well, at least minimum one week
[20:46] <vsync_> rotten apples, jobs 6 feet under
[20:47] <kyle__> vsync_: yea, the fact you can boot into single user mode and it runs a BSD kernel is just a facade.....
[20:47] <silverlightning> here apple brag about lasting hardware, stable os,
[20:47] <silverlightning> which to an extent is true
[20:48] <silverlightning> I'm not sure I understand really
[20:49]  * kyle__ was being sarchastic.
[20:49] <vsync_> yes I know
[20:49] <kyle__> Ubuntu bug locked up on me.
[20:49] <vsync_> BSD is sorta, unix-like
[20:49] <vsync_> But i was referring to their big news some years ago when they officially branded os x as "unix"
[20:50]  * kyle__ nods
[20:50] <kyle__> With ubuntu's departure from a standard init, BSD is closer to unix than ubuntu you know.
[20:50] <vsync_> you know, you can run a bsd-kernel with a linux system
[20:50]  * kyle__ nods
[20:51] <vsync_> but yes i get your point
[20:51] <kyle__> Debian makes a release, but I've known some one-offs as well.  BSD kernel with a GNU userland.  Havn't actually seen the inverse, but it's just as possible.
[20:51] <silverlightning> I burnt freeBSD a few hours ago
[20:51] <silverlightning> CD
[20:51] <vsync_> yeah sorry, what I meant was gnu with a bsd kernel, ehh it's 12pm here
[20:52]  * kyle__ understands
[20:52] <vsync_> used to run gentoo with a freebsd kernel many years ago, to try it out
[20:52] <kyle__> teething infant kept me from getting my 6 hours last night.
[20:53] <kyle__> silverlightning: FBSD is a fun OS to play with.  Quite good for servers.  Desktop usage isn't wasn't as pelesant, but I've done it.
[20:53] <vsync_> I have bad vibes out of the Ports system
[20:54] <silverlightning> oh I see
[20:55] <silverlightning> kyle__: there is a pcBSD too
[20:55] <vsync_> I guess bsd with a linux-kernel could make sense. At least linux is developed faster I'd assume
[20:55] <vsync_> silverlightning there's many flavors of BSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD...
[20:55] <kyle__> vsync_: It never bothered me, but then I used to use NetBSD all the time on savlaged sparc hardware.
[20:55] <silverlightning> some BSDs that work for laptops?
[20:55] <silverlightning> and preferably light
[20:56] <vsync_> it doesn't quite work that way with bsd's
[20:57] <kyle__> silverlightning: FreeBSD and NetBSD can both do quite well on a laptop.  Their X drivers used to lag a bit behind those of linux (even though they use the same xorg/xfree86), so latest-greatest laptops may not have drivers.
[20:58] <vsync_> If you're into this whole taking a walk on the wild side -thing, why not HaikuOS?
[20:58] <kyle__> MMM BeOS alike.
[20:58] <vsync_> yup
[21:00] <silverlightning> haiku?
[21:01] <vsync_> Yeah, it bases on this long-dead failed OS called BeOS
[21:01] <silverlightning> I see
[21:02] <silverlightning> I would rather have one that works though
[21:02] <vsync_> BeOS fell short back in the 90's, and the new open source haikuos continues from that. But well, it's not proving out to be ... pretty much anything
[21:03] <silverlightning> I was searching for a light running os, and someone mentioned freeBSD
[21:03] <silverlightning> as much better than debian
[21:04] <kyle__> BeOS was a beautiful thing.  It only failed because of a complete lack of drivers, an italian-car-inspired network stack (very fast, when it worked, which wasn't consistant), increadibly late releases, and a lack of software.
[21:04] <jtaylor> silverlightning: debian has a bsd kernel as option
[21:04] <silverlightning> kyle__: seems like it needed more time in development
[21:05]  * kyle__ agrees, FBSD is better than deb in many ways.
[21:05]  * kyle__ nods
[21:05] <vsync_> debian's just a bit dated. For an OS that runs 'lightly', I'd go with arch
[21:05] <silverlightning> jtaylor: never new that !
[21:05] <jtaylor> vsync_: on what is arch based?
[21:05] <jtaylor> and what is fbsd oO
[21:05] <silverlightning> arch is like gentoo, you spend a week to get anything going?
[21:06] <vsync_> no
[21:06] <vsync_> jtaylor actually I can't remember
[21:06] <kyle__> jtaylor: Arch is it's own thing.  Maybe they used LFS or crux as a starting point, but it's its own thing.
[21:06] <jtaylor> what package management?
[21:06] <kyle__> I apologize for the first "it's".  Should be its.
[21:07] <vsync_> Thing is, there are some differences between distros, sure. But as to getting shit run lightly, you can pretty much strip every distro to it's bare bones to get it running lightly. Now with arch (pacman is probably the best package manager I've used), the installation is very very vanilla
[21:07] <vsync_> and it runs very light by default, which is what you were looking for I think
[21:08] <vsync_> configuring arch is a bit harder though, it leaves a lot to the end-user
[21:08] <vsync_> which is good if you know what you're doing, of course
[21:09] <ali1234> does arch have unity?
[21:09] <vsync_> You can get unity on arch, sure
[21:09] <jtaylor> ony ubuntu has unity
[21:09] <jtaylor> really?
[21:09] <ali1234> but is it packaged?
[21:09] <vsync_> There seems to be unity from the AUR
[21:09] <jtaylor> I was not aware of any ports
[21:09] <ali1234> obviously i can compile it myself
[21:09] <jtaylor> its not even in debian
[21:10] <jtaylor> which is the obvious first palce for it to go
[21:10] <vsync_> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=42311
[21:10] <vsync_> AUR is user (not dev) maintained
[21:14] <sebsebseb> hi
[21:53] <17WAAGX0Y> anyone been using Kubuntu 11.10? how is it looking?
[22:15] <silverlightning> anyone still here?
[22:16] <sebsebseb> silverlightning: hi
[22:16] <silverlightning> hi
[22:16] <silverlightning> do you know if wmp firefox plugin comes as default in lubuntu?
[22:16] <silverlightning> It is suppose to work with chromium and opera too
[22:17] <silverlightning> windows media plugin
[22:17] <silverlightning> sebsebseb: are you testing 11.10 too?
[22:18] <silverlightning> i have installed restricted extra packages from synaptic
[22:18] <hotte76> Hello. I've just installed 11.10 Daily Biuld on my Thinkpad. Its an IntelI Core 2 Duo Machine with Intel onboard Graphics. It performed well under 11.04. But now in 11.10. the Intel Grafik isn't recognized. Its "unknown". DO you know why? Went out of the box at 11.04....   Everything is slow now, ans Unity in 2D....
[22:18] <silverlightning> and I am wondering if I have it, or might have something conflicting
[22:19] <silverlightning> hmm, do you get any picture at all hotte76?
[22:19] <saulotoledo> Why GTK3.x on KDE do not load themes?
[22:20] <hotte76> Yes, of course. But the whole machine runs slower than on 11.04. WHen i check the Graphic card it is said "unknown"
[22:20] <silverlightning> you activated additional drivers?
[22:20] <nico_> Is this for help?
[22:21] <silverlightning> nico_:  if you are lucky
[22:21] <hotte76> Where can i do this? I just searched for drivers
[22:21] <nico_> i've been trying to get my system fixed for 2 days now, and can't seem to figure it out. i really don't want to install a fresh system :/
[22:22] <silverlightning> menu-preferances-additonal drivers
[22:22] <silverlightning> hotte76:
[22:22] <silverlightning> nico_:  are you in 11.10?
[22:23] <hotte76> i did that. After the search it is said (in german): There are no "propriet" drivers on this system
[22:23] <nico_> I was in 11.04, but it may have upgraded to 11.10
[22:26] <silverlightning> nico_: might not have, it takes for ever and huge upgrade, you would have noticed
[22:26] <silverlightning> hotte76: you must go on a driver hunt
[22:27] <hotte76> Or try to use linuxmint or something
[22:27] <nico_> do you think i should continue trying to fix this system, or install a fresh 11.10
[22:27] <hotte76> Is that an option? Mint?
[22:28] <silverlightning> 11.10 comes in two days
[22:28] <silverlightning> nico_: what's wrong?
[22:29] <nico_> to be honest, i'm not even sure what's the problem at this point. my laptop turned off the other day due to a power issue, and once i had restarted it i couldn't boot my system. i've been off and on my live-cd since trying various things to fix the problem such as fsck.
[22:30] <nico_> when i try to boot up my default system now it takes forever to load and eventually I get a black screen that says unity login:
[22:31] <nico_> when i attempt to login my desktop account it tells me "pam error     critical! abort"
[23:00] <famgod> can anyone help me with installing wordpress? I followed the instructions here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WordPress ...i followed the instructions, i think everything working, apache is running, but when i got 127.0.0.1/wordpress it downloads a file named 'Download' with this inside it http://pastebin.com/43TuPnfX
[23:01] <ali1234> famgod: you did not enable php properly
[23:05] <famgod> alia1234 hmmm
[23:05] <famgod> any suggestions on how to enable it?
[23:05] <famgod> i installed php5 libapache2-mod-php5
[23:06] <der> sony vaio touchpad doesn't work in ocelot
[23:06] <der> didn't work in 11.04 too
[23:06] <der> i see there's no classic gnome support in 11.10
[23:06] <der> im doomed
[23:06] <der> anyone else hate unity?
[23:09] <famgod> yes
[23:09] <famgod> i do
[23:09] <famgod> http://johnwarford.blogspot.com/
[23:09] <famgod> that has everything you need to get rid of unity
[23:09] <famgod> and use gnome classic
[23:09] <famgod> :)
[23:10] <der> famgod, i just detest it, i don't know how it passed quality control
[23:10] <der> been using 10.10 for as long as i can
[23:10] <famgod> i can see it being okay
[23:10] <famgod> for a touchpad
[23:10] <famgod> touchscreen*
[23:10] <famgod> or maybe a low res netbook
[23:11] <der> my fan seems to never shut up since installing ocelot
[23:11] <der> its a dual core 4 gb ram
[23:11] <der> it's like they've dumbed down linux for the masses
[23:11] <der> half the options to config and tweak are missing
[23:12] <der> how does one remove the broadcast account or switched accounts at the top in taskbar ?
[23:13] <der> i think it must be an error, can't even get properties with a right click
[23:17] <der> i think im gonna go back to using gnewsense
[23:18] <popsch> I just upgraded my machine to 11.10 and nautilus crashes constantly with a segmentation fault: #0  0x00007fc5583258be in gconf_client_get () from /usr/lib/libgconf-2.so.4
[23:18] <der> yeah unity is the new windows virus
[23:19] <jbicha> popsch: try uninstalling nautilus-open-terminal or any other nautilus extensions you have
[23:19] <sebsebseb> der: Like Gnome Shell?
[23:19] <sebsebseb> der: http://gnome3.org
[23:20] <der> sebsebseb, are they going to merge at some stage?
[23:20] <sebsebseb> der: what you mean merge?
[23:20] <Daekdroom> Whatever he means, I don't think so.
[23:21] <sebsebseb> der: it's in the 11.10 repos, but personally I would juse use Gnome Shell in other distros
[23:21] <der> i think they're more designed for tablets
[23:22] <sebsebseb> der: however yep  Ubuntu Classic Desktop is not in Gnome 2 at all, also Gnome 3 has a fall back mode that's more Gnome 2 like, again in the 11.10 repos
[23:22] <sebsebseb> is not in 11.10 at all, I meant above
[23:22] <der> yup at least 11.04 has fallback option to classic
[23:22] <popsch> jbicha, removing nautilus-open-terminal did the trick. I assume it's a known problem then.
[23:22] <sebsebseb> der: some distros still using Gnome 2 as well
[23:23] <der> for a system that's no longer got evolution as the default mail client
[23:23] <der> they've sure as hell left alot of config files and such lying around
[23:23] <sebsebseb> der: oh?
[23:24] <der> do a locate evolution
[23:24] <sebsebseb> yep Thunderbird is the default email client now, howver evolution is in the repos
[23:25] <jbicha> popsch: bug 865115 maybe it's fixed with the new proposed ubuntuone-client-gnome
[23:26]  * der when 11.10 comes out I is setting my homepage to distrowatch.com for a new home :)
[23:26] <popsch> jbicha, well, also the incremental search doesn't work and now it crashed on libc. will be fun times now
[23:27] <sebsebseb> der: heh :D
[23:52] <Johnny_Giggles> I like to do a lot of coding in C.  I use nano, gcc, clang, and the bash Terminal.  Can anyone tell me why I should upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10?
[23:53] <zenrox> newer viersions of thoes tools
[23:58] <Johnny_Giggles> Can 11.10 be virtualized within virtualbox on Windows 7 okay?