[00:06] pleia2: and puppet helps users manage/update applications on Ubuntu [01:02] mhall119: yeah, I'm familair with puppet :) [01:19] The Fedora Community actually pulled off Beefy Miracle as the Release Name for Fedora 17 :-) [01:20] they did? [01:20] yeppers :-) just got the release name announcement [01:21] I'm a bit surprised, I got the impression that the Fedora devs were opposed to it in the last cycle [01:26] I dunno but according to the vote that's what won out. [01:27] it still creeps me out, but at least now that it's done I don't need to hear all the campaigning for it for another cycle ;) [01:28] At FUDCon the t-shirts were hilarious (at least the first draft I saw of them) [01:28] oh boy, I can't wait until a fedora user starts saying that people won't take animal named releases seriously [01:33] I think it was more of a community stand kinda thing, but I don't have anyone to quote on that [01:34] though I am working on getting one :-) [01:35] heck, if all you need is a quote, I'll say almost anything ;) [01:35] are you allowed to use anonymous sources? [01:36] she'll say it's from an "Unnamed Canonical employee" [01:36] that'll go well, always does [01:39] :( [01:39] I used fedora once, can't I still claim that? [01:40] oh sure :) [01:42] wait, less than 300 people voted? [01:42] hmm, I wish the cloud blog had a "previous posts" button [01:43] (I took a break for dinner, but now I'm back at it) [01:45] oh hey, this is great http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2011/08/formal-introduction-to-ubuntu-orchestra.html [01:56] http://voices.canonical.com/shang.wu/2011/08/31/oneiric-ubuntu-orchestra-server-provision-server-setup/ winner \o/ [02:00] pleia2, dustin has some awesome blog posts and does great interviews [02:01] akgraner: yeah, I just wish this stuff made its way to proper documentation, it took me far too long to find it [02:02] or at least linked somewhere, this stuff was just hanging out there in the tubes [02:02] and when you're on a 3g modem, that's not awesome :) [02:02] :-( [02:15] Is the cursor going to show up in the url bar by Thursday> [02:15] s/>/? === Martyn^ is now known as Martyn [02:30] There isn't just a -P sprint [02:31] you can only choose "Linaro Connect Q4.11 and UDS P" there is no choice for just "UDS P" [02:32] Hey there Amber [02:32] ok so it shows up as UDS-P on the blueprint whew :-) [02:33] Hi [02:33] and I think I actually got the name convention right this time - let's hope so [02:52] ok so that blueprint is off my list :-) yay [04:09] hey folks [04:16] jcastro, around? [04:17] jcastro, actually, ignore [04:19] czajkowski : r u here? [04:21] ejat: she's probably asleep [04:22] * ejat need canonical staff person contact detail (US) for my VISA application … can someone help? [04:23] or UDS Person in charge contact information .. [04:23] ejat, for UDS? [04:23] jono .. yes [04:24] ejat, one sec [04:24] ejat, marianna.raffaele@canonical.com [04:24] she handles UDS travel [04:24] she should be able to help with your Visa [04:24] yeah .. i already send her email … [04:24] no response? [04:24] but online application require me : Contact Person or Organization in the United States [04:25] ejat, ahhh I see [04:25] ejat, I think Marianna can provide the best person - I will see her in a few hours and will ask her to reply to your email [04:25] stuck cannot proceed to the next form .. [04:26] jono : did canonical have office in US ? [04:26] ejat, we do [04:26] ejat, but I want to ensure Marianna gives you the right details [04:26] can i have US office number or is it at the website ? [04:27] and address .. [04:27] ejat, Marianna will provide these to you [04:27] http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/contact/our-offices [04:27] just wait a few hours and she will respond [04:27] can i use that ? [04:27] ejat, please, sorry to repeat myself, but wait for Marianna to reply [04:27] she will advise [04:27] I don't want to tell you to use the wrong info [04:28] ok .. i will .. [04:29] thanks ejat [04:29] i should thanks to u :) [04:33] ejat, looking forward to seeing you at UDS! [04:34] yeah .. me too .. thats y i wanna proceed the visa application a.s.a.p :) [04:35] ejat, don't worry, we will get it sorted [04:35] hopefully they will process it in time [04:35] :) [04:35] sometimes it takes the US Gov't a while to process visas [04:36] yeah .. or else .. ill be miss the UDS :( … yeah .. need the interview session some more .. [04:46] Hey jono, got your email, just responded. [04:47] thanks doctormo! [05:40] * jono grabbing breakfast [05:40] back soon [05:41] ejat: I am whats up [05:42] erw: ah you're sorted so, jono is looking after it, I have nthing to do with UDS [06:23] czajkowski, :-) [06:29] yikes, is anyone seeing an error at http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ / [06:30] * jono reports bug [06:46] good morning all [06:48] jono: Out of memory error, wworks now [06:48] its a transient problem we've been having on the machiinie [06:49] thanks nigelb [06:49] hey dpm [06:50] morning jono :) [06:51] jono: standard bug these days on that machine [06:51] the lads know about it [06:52] I'll poke someone in IS when they're up [06:52] jono: bug is gone [06:52] thanks czajkowski! [06:52] jono: no bother NG and the folks in there know about the machine I reguarly threaten to wallop it with a sledge hammer but nobody has yet told me the location of the server [06:53] lol [06:53] jono: you down in the plaza as well or gone to Mill bank may see you on my way to work [06:54] morning [06:54] czajkowski: Its in Canonical's london data center I think. (leased from Level 3?) [06:54] sweet, I found http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VTtW31-prA&hd=1 [06:54] :-) [06:55] Morning popey! [06:55] hey popey [06:55] I didn't realize how much work went into the countdown website. [06:55] Its *awesome* :-) [06:55] totally [06:57] jono: mind if I makr your bug invalid as ng mhall119 and all others know the issue with the machine [06:57] Its already invalid. I marked it earlier when I told him about it. [06:57] it's more annoyin when I get the errors when I;m adding team data [06:57] czajkowski, sure, thanks! [07:00] np [07:00] right to work [07:00] busy day ahead [07:00] toodles [07:07] good morning [07:07] hey dholbach [07:08] bon dia dpm [07:09] hey :) [07:11] hi dholbach! [07:12] नमस्ते dholbach :D [07:12] Hrm, my Hindi is rusty [07:13] nigelb, you're mean! you know how I can stare at foreign alphabets for hours [07:13] dholbach: I did not know that! [07:13] :) [07:13] * nigelb hugs dholbach [07:14] there's something about slowly being able to decipher once you start learning it which is just great - it must be the constant stream of a-ha moments ... if you're doing it right [07:15] and it a lot of cases it just looks beautiful [07:15] My learning Hindi as a child was constant stream of ugh moments :) [07:15] Not great in languages. [07:16] haha [07:16] ugh moments [07:16] * dholbach hugs nigelb [07:17] * nigelb hugs dholbach :) [07:17] ejat: You're in Malaysia or Indonesia? [07:17] nigelb : Malaysia [07:17] ejat: KL? [07:17] nigelb : yes [07:17] \o/ [07:18] nigelb : anything that i can help with / [07:18] ejat: I *may* be visiting in November :) We should meet :) [07:18] nigelb : after UDS ? [07:18] Yeah [07:18] I won [07:18] I won't be at UDS [07:18] vacation or biz trip ? [07:18] owh u wont be at the UDS ? [07:18] owh okie .. then we shall meet after that … [07:18] I got invited to Mozilla's Asia Camp [07:19] owh okie .. [07:19] :) [07:19] Well, I won't be at UDS in person, but I will be remote :) [07:19] ill be there too … already got email from gen already … [07:19] nigelb : owh okie [07:19] ejat: w00t \o/ [07:20] :) [07:23] nigelb: Nor will I, can't be in Florida if I'm to be a dad. [07:23] doctormo: :) [07:23] doctormo: when is the big day? [07:23] nigelb: But I still dearly wish to meet you at an event. [07:23] doctormo: Yeah, me too! [07:24] doctormo also coming to mozilla asia camp ? [07:24] Me and the spirit world aren't talking, so they won't tell me when the day is. But wife is full term, so any day between now and two weeks from now. [07:24] ejat: Unfort' not. [07:24] doctormo : owh okie .. [07:24] doctormo: Ah, nice! [07:24] baby ubuntu :) [07:26] doctormo : boy or girl ? sorry .. no up2date .. [07:47] ejat: Unknown, we know it's human. [07:48] doctormo : not doing the screening/checking ? [07:48] ejat: Why bother? [07:49] * ejat just asking … here .. all parent excited to know their baby .. so easier to do the preparation .. [07:50] nah I agree with doctormo I'd like it to be a surprise [07:50] there are little surprises left in the world knowing the sex of the baby is 1 [07:51] ejat: a) Extra reason to push, b) Wonderful surprise, c) Annoying people who put too much weight on sex as any indicator of anything. [07:52] :) [07:52] My sister has be a hoot, 'But I won't know if I should buy blue or pink' lol [07:52] been* [07:55] :D [07:56] yellow [07:56] and white [07:56] yeah, we have had same, everyone wants to know if we know the sex [07:56] cant go wrong [07:56] green [07:56] blue [07:56] pink [07:56] red [07:56] etc [07:56] we didnt ask for ours [07:56] If we have a boy it can wear pink, same for a girl with blue. [07:56] We have lots of hand-me-downs anyway, so pink and blue are both available. [07:56] its not like the baby cares. [07:57] _it's a baby_ [07:57] we know, but not telling anyone. (it isnt sure anyway) [07:57] * popey has some advice for the new fathers. :D [07:57] doctormo: +++++ [07:57] popey: go on! [07:57] "There is only one thing worse than a tired parent. [07:57] Two tired parents." [07:57] hehe [07:57] so make sure she gets loads of sleep? [07:57] It's 4am here, I'm formatting for the night shift :-P [07:57] :D [07:58] I used to read HHGTTG on my palm pilot whilst rocking Sophie to sleep :D [07:58] doctormo: hehe [07:58] read those books over and over [07:58] palm pilot... :D [07:58] well, Palm IIIx [07:59] I think I might have to get a tablet/kindle/something... [07:59] the palm was good for being in total darkness [07:59] had a very dim backlight [07:59] popey: We just finished BFG, Sophie is a name I would have loved to use, but my sister used it first. drat. [07:59] heh [08:00] yeah, Sophie is quite popular over here too [08:00] doctormo: yeah there is nothing worse than duplicates of names in the one family [08:00] my grandfather is John [08:00] my uncle is John [08:00] their first cousin is John [08:00] and there are 2 other 2nd cousins Johns [08:00] crazy [08:01] yup [08:01] so no Father Jnr or mother Jnr is wise [08:01] So instead we have a whiteboard full of names. Trying to convince wife not to pick a silly middle name though. [08:01] Each of us can veto a name with a cross. [08:02] I'm named after my gran [08:02] and my sister is named after great gran [08:02] all on mums side [08:02] and reason we don't have irish names is dad and his family can't pronounce irish names correctly [08:03] Eoghain is hard to pronounce? [08:03] they expect to see Eoin [08:04] or Ian [08:04] I expect to see Owen, but my name's Welsh. [08:04] When we had Sam I asked the LUGRadio channel for name suggestions [08:04] I wanted him to have a geeky acronym as a name [08:05] http://www.babynamesofireland.com/irish-boy-names [08:05] http://www.babynamesofireland.com/pages/girl-names-a-c.html [08:05] Having P as last initial opens up lots of opportunity for HTTP, FTP, SMTP etc [08:05] in the end we went with SMP :D [08:05] popey: how does the real popey deal wit you [08:05] czajkowski: irish people spell funny :D [08:05] it's a language.... [08:06] popey: again how does she put up with you :) [08:06] http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/321533_284247124926507_119326601418561_1128511_162375572_n.jpg [08:06] czajkowski: hahahah [08:06] thats epic [08:06] jussi: I know they spell Halloween Samhain ;-) [08:07] Sophie's middle name is Niamh which we both like [08:07] I only learnt how to say that during the last few months in ireland [08:08] Niamh is a nice name [08:08] I kinda like Siobhan [08:09] yeah, but it reminds me of punk [08:09] jussi: with a fada http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siobh%C3%A1n [08:09] Aoife, Catriona, Cormac are our offspring middle names [08:09] czajkowski: yeah, I dunno where that is on my keyboard :D [08:10] how on earth do you pronounce Aoife? [08:10] "oif" [08:10] eefah [08:10] oohhh... It's currently 2011-10-11! [08:11] http://www.thisisthecountdown.com/ [08:12] á is alt+gr + ; a [08:14] ERROR 0x484558: SIGNAL DROPPED [08:14] TRANSMISSION IS ENCRYPTED, OUT OF RANGE OR OFFLINE [08:14] all to do with the aliens [08:15] it is a fantastic thing the advert team have done there [08:15] not exactly wide appeal though [08:16] fun for a very small number of people who have clue / time / motivation to solve the puzzles [08:16] sadly not, but it is the cleverest and most engaging thing I have seen for ages [08:17] aye but there was that whole fuss on G+ about who was behind it no disclaimers [08:17] some people will bitch and moan no matter what we do [08:18] fab and jan are examples of such people [08:18] Jan's not the worst [08:18] Ive just blocked Fab, his feed was making G+ unbearable [08:21] What was fab doing? and who is fab anyway [08:21] does some podcast thing [08:22] got cross with Jono about thisisthecountdown.com on google plus, can't remember why, he wanted to know all about it and whether it was canonical backed or not [08:22] in the end when we found out and explained it all it turned out he couldn't care less [08:23] he gets cranky about a lot of things not just jono or canonical, mostly canonical [08:24] oh, initial point of crankyness was that the page didn't have a button link to identi.ca of all things [08:25] which doesn't have buttons [08:25] cant remember the last time I used that acc [08:26] there seem to be a lot of people in our community like this, is it something we are doing wrong? or just we attract cranky people? [08:27] jussi: he's not in our community though, he's fedora [08:27] bit of friendly rivalry from our redhat associates really [08:28] czajkowski: its not just him though is it - I know several like this. [08:28] the redhat/fedora bunch are OK really [08:29] yup they are [08:29] I think there are people in every community who are rather vocal and anti any other other community [08:29] the rest of people just want to get along and get FOSS out there [08:31] * czajkowski has her redhat interviews next month [08:42] My dealings with the fedora guys has been extreme. extremly good and extremly bad. [08:44] we have a fedora guy in our work, he is a crazy genius... :D [08:44] jussi: I think we breed passion for doing the right thing and sticking to your opinions. Imagine, we need a culture that can stand up to the contemporary thinking on software production and say: 'No, that's not the right way' and I think not many people are selective about what they're stubborn about and what they're tribal about. [08:45] Brother Bear is really an underrated film IMO [08:45] * doctormo just watched it for apropos. [08:46] meh I blieve in stuff, but not to the point I'm gonna cut my nose off, someone got royually shirty with me recently as I said I use skype and twitter to communicate with people and I'd never give up Skype [08:47] czajkowski: Aye but conversely when we use tools that mock our culture we have to have good reasons. Skype is a good enough reason IMO. [08:48] good enough reason to ? [08:50] czajkowski: to excuse it's use, and I mean that in the way that we all have exceptions which don't weaken our principles but we have to have them in order to function. [08:51] the only principle I have is I want to talk to my mates family and I'm not gonna make them use empathy, identi.ca or diaspora [08:53] czajkowski: You don't have any? no morals? there is nothing you wouldn't do to another person in order to talk to your mates family? I'd hate to get between you and a BT phone card. [08:54] I have morals, just not about what tool I use to communicate to people [08:55] czajkowski: That's not logical. [08:55] fair enough [08:55] right better get back to work [08:57] I'm going to talk to myself for a second, don't no pony take any notice, I just like to get things out. [08:58] When confronted with cognitive dissonance I think we have two choices, we can remove conflicting ideas or we can merge ideas together causing dialectics. [09:00] If we support FOSS in our world view prior to using skype, then we must somehow make the idea of supporting foss and the idea of not supporting foss work in our heads. [09:00] Once we really need to use it. [09:04] But what if say instead of making a palatable exception of skype, we weaken the idea of foss as a principle. That still allows both ideas to hold in a single world view; of course someone who has weak foss support isn't going to spend much time supporting alternatives, but that's a personal choice once you've got into that world view. [09:09] I'm sticking to my own view that foss is a good principle to have, worthy of support and that skype is an exception that I will spend some small amount of time of resolving should the opportunity present itself. And in that I have no need to critise people who spend time trying to resolve their inner conflicts or even people who use skype. It's all rather a matter for a persons own thinking. [09:09] OK, that makes sense. Off to lunch. [09:12] hello and have a nice lunch doctormo [09:29] duanedesign: just the man I was looking for. [09:29] duanedesign: pm? [09:33] aww he ran away :( [09:34] lol [09:55] right, food time. [10:55] jussi: helllo [10:55] nigelb: helo [10:55] hmm, cant seem to get the right number of l's in hello [11:02] hey duanedesign :) [11:02] duanedesign: (the trick is to use "hey" or "hi" :P) [11:04] dholbach: ping [11:04] Pendulum, pong === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [11:20] Not seeing where my cursor is in the url bar is frustrating... [11:20] wait - Good Morning is what I meant to type first :-) [11:20] as is the search in unity menu's being rubbish. [11:23] jussi: wait, you're using unity? O_O [11:23] * nigelb asplodes [11:23] nah you know when you have wiki page and you know you need to add /something b/c you need another page - if you click in the url bar (or whatever the technical name is for it) you don't know where your cursor is - so you just have to start typing and hope it's in the right place [11:23] nigelb: at home I have been trying it out, yes [11:24] jussi: NICE! [11:24] nigelb: no.... [11:24] jono: if someone has feedback for you but isn't a member can they mail you feedback [11:29] jcastro just added the Ubuntu Friendly Session, waiting for Rick to tell me what time slot he wants - that leaves 5 slots open to fill today [11:30] hopefully we can accomplish that :-) if hggdh will do a bug filing session that will only leave 4 slots (hggdh - hint hint :-D) [11:30] bbiab - I'm taxing kids to school this morning... [13:53] huh? === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [14:09] taxing them huh? 'bout time they started paying their fair share [14:12] mhall119, probably :-) [14:15] akgraner: what is it I was volunteered to do? [14:15] and good morning :-) [14:16] hggdh, hey! :-) nigelb volunteered you to teach a session on filing bugs [14:16] since I said unless a little box pops up telling me I need to file a bug - I don't really know how [14:16] akgraner: nice of nigelb, I have to remember to clobber him next time ;-) [14:17] akgraner: when? [14:17] hggdh, next week let me show you timetable [14:17] next. week. huh. [14:17] hggdh, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Timetable - if you can't do you know someone who is as awesome as you could do it? [14:18] * hggdh does not know awesomeness even when looking at a mirror [14:18] then you can voluntell them :-) you both can clobber nigelb (and I mean that in the nicest way possible :-D)... [14:20] * akgraner hugs nigelb and hopes he knows I am teasing :-) [14:22] akgraner: OK. I am a sucker, anyways, for a nice request... [14:23] please set me up for Thursday [14:23] aww thank you :-) (I wanted this session for 100% selfish reasons - I need to become a better bug filer) [14:23] heh [14:24] What do you want me to call the session - How to file a bug? [14:24] hggdh, 1400 or 1500 UTC [14:26] akgraner: 1500, it is never good to start a day with bugs [14:42] akgraner: woo, got 3 more coming in [14:45] hggdh, :-) [14:45] jcastro cool! [14:47] akgraner: do you have an accessibility session yet? [14:47] nope [14:47] wanna give one [14:48] if Pendulum wants to help :) [14:48] hggdh, up looks like it's going to have to be 1400 on Thursday [14:48] kirkland snagged the 1500 slot [14:53] jcastro, I'll work on updating the calendars and getting links to the session leaders names etc [15:11] jcastro only 5 slots left.... [15:12] :) [15:12] 2 more coming [15:12] sweet :-) happy dance time :-) [15:12] I'm going to take an early lunch though to avoid the crowd [15:12] bbia little bit [15:13] mhall119, czajkowski others who are working on the LD - maybe an intro to the LoCo directory...how teams can make better more efficient use of it or something [15:13] akgraner: maybe talk to the developers there, they know more about i [15:13] jcastro, ping? [15:13] I just file issues with it and add blogs to it [15:13] jono: ello me old sod [15:14] czajkowski, oi oi savaloy :-) [15:14] czajkowski, looking forward to seeing you on Thurs :-) [15:14] jono: it will be the highlight of my week, no the month! [15:14] :-) [15:14] <--- day of writing documents will make you sarcastic :) [15:14] :-) that's more than I do....I need to do more with it but somehow I always forget it's there (makes me sad) [15:14] lol [15:14] I've 2 fucntions specs [15:14] wire frames a site [15:14] and tested another [15:14] FUN day [15:15] so need a drink [15:15] jono: can a cannical emmployee who's a non member give you feedback ?> [15:15] czajkowski, totally [15:15] just send me an email :-) [15:15] akgraner: I'd suggest cjohnston but he may crack out the whip for teams not using it right, ask mhall119 he'll be gentle and ease them in [15:16] grand [15:16] message passed on [15:16] tick off my to do list [15:19] akgraner: what day is this? [15:19] czajkowski: I'm very harsh, jusk ask my kids ;) [15:19] mhall119: you're mixing you up with your other half [15:19] I'll not cross that lady no way [15:19] mhall119, we have 5 open slots right now - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Timetable take your pick from those for next week [15:20] pencil you are my new favourite tool but I do wish you'd stop crashing on me on windows [15:20] soo handy for wire frames [15:20] done and dusted [15:25] akgraner: I can to 1600 on the 17th, what topic would you like me to discuss? [15:26] How LoCo teams can make better and more effective and efficient use of loco.ubuntu.com [15:26]