[01:10] <MarkDude> Fedora has chosen the name of Beefy Miracle as release name for F17 http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2011-October/003002.html
[01:10] <MarkDude> We need a joint shirt with Pangolin and Hot Dog hanging out
[01:18] <Faqtotum> facepalm
[01:25]  * MarkDude will start taking orders on shirts now
[03:29] <Darkwing> HAH!
[03:29] <Darkwing> I think I may have found a new IRC nick...
[03:30] <Darkwing> Well, nevermind.
[03:30] <pleia2> :P
[03:30] <Darkwing> It's taken.
[03:31] <pleia2> thank goodness
[03:31] <Darkwing> LOL!
[03:31] <Darkwing> Naww, I'll stick to Darkwing.
[03:31] <pleia2> \o/
[03:31] <pleia2> so I am now an expert on cloud (just kidding, but I can probably talk about it without sounding like an idiot now
[03:31] <pleia2> )
[03:32] <pleia2> can't say the same for talking about Unity, but whatever :)
[03:33] <pleia2> was at dinner tonight with some folks at this networking conference my fiance is attending (it's why we're in philly) and one of them was like "ubuntu? I have a question for you... [why did they make unity, ruining my life rant here]'
[03:33] <Faqtotum> Darkwing: bkerensa used to use the nick _-_-_
[03:33] <Darkwing> LOL
[03:34] <pleia2> "because gnome3 was yucky" "ok, why did gnome3 decide to change everything?" "oh, um..."
[03:34] <Faqtotum> but he's come a long way since then; oregon is pretty far
[03:34] <pleia2> because it's ..better?
[03:42]  * MarkDude was advising for slogans for next release, I suggested Gnome3 it is not nearly as sh*tty as you think :D
[03:43] <MarkDude> Best most positive I could be
[03:43] <MarkDude> Went to gnome site- it has just as clean- not much to it feel :P
[03:45] <MarkDude> Darkwing, (the nick formally known as Duck) does KDE have slogan like we use both hands - just to be able to flip the bird to both of the window managers?
[03:51] <MarkDude> grantbow,  I am sure folks in Nairobi will care  >> http://beefymiracle.org/
[03:53] <MarkDude> One more link and I will shut up ( I am still doing happy dance) http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=anaconda-images.git;a=blob_plain;f=rnotes/f11rh7-3is_intermission.png;h=8307233e663063a80c622aa20e5229069433dc41;hb=1896a3f050553eeb0ff971658e1a88b8893a5920
[03:53] <MarkDude> That is where it all started. The original hotdog
[06:37] <bkerensa> Faqtotum: ?
[06:37] <bkerensa> Darkwing ?
[06:58] <philipballew> would anyone be able to recomend a good book to learn linux server admin type stuff?
[07:00] <nhaines> philipballew: what kind fo server?
[07:00] <philipballew> nhaines, well im currently running a debian server.
[07:01] <philipballew> can I say that is the ubuntu channel? haha
[07:01] <nhaines> philipballew: Debian and Ubuntu are platforms, not servers.
[07:01] <philipballew> ah, I thought you were asking what i am running on my server.
[07:01] <nhaines> No, I'm asking what kind of server would you like to run.
[07:01] <philipballew> web server
[07:02] <philipballew> probably
[07:02] <philipballew> seems the best profitable
[07:02] <nhaines> Then you pick a web server (apache, lighthttpd, etc) and learn that.
[07:02] <philipballew> alright. Ill look into it. maybe a lamp stack or something
[07:03] <nhaines> The OS doesn't have a lot to do with the particulars, except in a few details (config location, etc.)
[07:04] <philipballew> alright. is there really big differences between say a R.H. type set up compared to a Debian type?
[07:05] <nhaines> As I said, no.
[07:05] <Darkwing> bkerensa: What's up?
[07:05] <philipballew> ok, that makes sense now that you said that. Ill let you know what I buy sometime. Your a really helpful person nhaines
[07:06] <nhaines> philipballew: just focus on each task.  That's what you'll really need and it's what you'll find the books on.  :)
[07:06] <nhaines> Definitely let me know what you find!
[07:07] <philipballew> alright. I have amazon prime so im gonna be buying 3 tech books tonight
[07:07] <philipballew> python book, networking book, and a lamp book
[07:07] <nhaines> Amazon Prime is fun.  I'm glad I don't have it.  :)
[07:07] <philipballew> I get a free year because im a college student
[07:07] <philipballew> after that its only 40 a year for me
[07:08] <nhaines> Half off!
[07:08] <nhaines> I recommend http://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Python-Novice-Professional-Second/dp/1590599829/
[07:08] <nhaines> For Python.  Magnus Lie Hetland is a very clear writer.
[07:10] <philipballew> I.ll buy it!
[07:11] <nhaines> I have the first edition, and the second edition (linked) for Kindle.  Haven't gone through the second edition but it should be just as good.
[07:13] <nhaines> philipballew: you'll get your books on Friday but you can install GvRng from the Ubuntu Software Center in the meantime to get the feel of Python, plus it's fun.
[19:34] <MarkDude> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/live/ Ubuntu UK is LIVE now
[19:42]  * MarkDude hears British folks
[20:40] <nhaines> Much like the non-existent release candidate, Canonical also isn't telling me what's happening with the order I placed last week.
[20:40] <pleia2> maybe they want you to be surprised when it shows up
[20:41] <nhaines> pleia2: :)
[20:41] <philipballew> nhaines, i think im gonna buy that python book you recomended
[20:42] <rww> at least we're not stuck at eight days before release now :3
[20:42] <nhaines> pleia2: I don't have a release party to go to, so I don't need the clothing for that, but I did do a split order with some coworkers and they were asking.
[20:42] <pleia2> nhaines: *nod*
[20:43] <pleia2> rww: yeah, I poked them
[20:43] <nhaines> philipballew: I wish I had a way to lend you my copy so you could check it out.  But you can always look at this by the same author, for a taste.  It convinced me to go out and buy his book: http://hetland.org/writing/instant-python.html
[20:43] <nhaines> pleia2: luckily, we have customer's complaining about RMA and online store ship times constantly anyway, so they know how things work.
[20:44] <nhaines> Someone placed an order at like 8pm Friday night for overnight delivery and was angry when she didn't get the package until the next Tuesday.
[20:47] <bkerensa> philipballew: Who is the publisher of the book?
[20:47] <nhaines> bkerensa: Apress
[20:47] <bkerensa> nhaines: Likely Apress would ship a free copy if it's for a LoCo
[20:48] <nhaines> bkerensa: I think it's just for him though.  But that does give me an idea!
[20:48]  * philipballew is just looking for a light read
[20:48]  * nhaines 's idea is to shake down publishers for Ubucon prizes.
[20:49] <bkerensa> nhaines: You should come up to Portland for OSCON and help me setup a Ubuntu After Party
[20:49] <bkerensa> :D
[20:49]  * bkerensa is trying to get a boat
[20:49] <nhaines> lol
[20:50] <pleia2> boo, I forgot my presentation remote
[20:50] <bkerensa> nhaines: ;) There is a boat on the waterfront downtown for events so I'm trying to find out how much to rent it for a few hours and sort out getting someone to pay for that, drinks and catering
[20:50] <bkerensa> :D
[20:50] <nhaines> pleia2: just use a Wii controller and Bluetooth!  :D
[20:50] <pleia2> nhaines: I'm in a hotel in philadelphia, I don't haz!
[20:50] <nhaines> pleia2: D:
[20:51] <nhaines> pleia2: if it were November you could pick up the Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword collector's bundle and use the limited edition golden remote!
[20:51] <pleia2> hehe
[20:51] <bkerensa> lol
[20:51] <nhaines> That makes it a business writeoff right?
[20:52] <pleia2> if I were paid or did this for a job, sure :)
[20:52] <pleia2> alas!
[20:52] <nhaines> details!
[20:55] <bkerensa> Fedex is here
[20:55] <bkerensa> :D
[20:55] <bkerensa> YAY
[20:57] <gua> woo
[20:57] <bkerensa> Yay Kingston sent me a 32GB DataTraveler Locker+
[20:57] <bkerensa> :D
[20:58]  * nhaines needs more free stuff.
[20:58]  * pleia2 gives nhaines free hugs
[20:58] <nhaines> \o/
[20:59] <pleia2> ok, off to start wandering toward the suburbs for my first 11.10 talk
[20:59] <nhaines> Good luck!  You'll do great!  :)
[20:59] <nhaines> Also publish your slides for others to steal!  ;)
[20:59] <gua> what's the name of that python book talked about above?
[20:59] <pleia2> nhaines: always!
[20:59]  * pleia2 heads out
[21:00] <philipballew> http://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Python-Professional-Magnus-Hetland/dp/1590599829/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1318365856&sr=1-1
[21:00] <nhaines> gua: Beginning Python by Magnus Lie Hetland.  ISBN: 978-1590599822 http://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Python-Novice-Professional-Second/dp/1590599829/
[21:00] <gua> ahh thanks
[21:00] <gua> nhaines: is it for people new to programming or new to python?
[21:00] <nhaines> gua: both!  :D
[21:01] <gua> aha
[21:01] <bkerensa> nhaines: If you are ever in Portland I have lots of free stuff I often dont want
[21:01] <bkerensa> nhaines: I usually give it to friends
[21:01] <bkerensa> :P
[21:01]  * bkerensa gave a android tablet away a few weeks back
[21:01] <nhaines> bkerensa: I'm pretty much never in Portland.  :P
[21:02] <nhaines> Aww, I could've used an Android tablet though.
[21:02] <nhaines> Let the sponsors note!  :P
[21:02] <nhaines> bkerensa: if you get a free Amazon Kindle Fire let me know.  :P
[21:02] <bkerensa> nhaines: It wont happen... Amazon and Apple have horrible PR along with Google and MS
[21:02] <bkerensa> :P
[21:02] <bkerensa> they wont send me so much as a pen
[21:02] <bkerensa> :P
[21:03] <MarkDude> Maybe try the cowboy
[21:03] <nhaines> bkerensa: tell them the first step towards better PR is baby steps and also Kindles.
[21:03] <bkerensa> nhaines: :P
[21:03] <MarkDude> bkerensa, I think Garret still works there
[21:03] <nhaines> Also I doubt Apple needs the PR and I'm sure MS loves sending free software to FOSS advocates!
[21:04] <bkerensa> nhaines: The problem is they do most of their PR internally.... While other companies I work with have PR firms who love to spoil me
[21:04] <bkerensa> :D
[21:04] <nhaines> bkerensa: haha, that could be it!
[21:04] <nhaines> I know that Microsoft can shower people with software when they want.
[21:04] <bkerensa> nhaines: Yeah at a CTL party Microsoft offered me free boxed MS Office, Shirts and other stuffs
[21:05] <bkerensa> and I declined
[21:05] <bkerensa> :D
[21:05] <bkerensa> showed them my Ubuntu lanyard
[21:05] <bkerensa> one rep was like what is that and the other muttered "Open source"
[21:06] <bkerensa> MarkDude: You know MS can hook up decent drinks though :) remember the CLS after party that Intel and MS sponsored
[21:06] <nhaines> bkerensa: hahaha
[21:06] <MarkDude> Their $ does work well for drinks and food
[21:08] <gua> should've looked confused asked if MS Office was some knockoff of LibreOffice
[21:09] <nhaines> Ask them if they fixed ODF support yet.
[21:09] <MarkDude> http://fearthecowboy.com/
[21:10] <MarkDude> Open Source and MS :D
[21:11] <gua> i've been out of the loop for a little big, was the release of Oneiric pushed back?
[21:11] <gua> i thought they were going for the 10th
[21:11] <nhaines> gua: no, it's been the 13th since... well, before natty launched.  :)
[21:11] <nhaines> Ubuntu always releases on Thursdays.
[21:11] <gua> ah oh ok. i guess i never looked up the date but assumed
[21:12] <nhaines> At least for the last 14 releases.  :)
[21:12] <gua> can't break the tradition :)
[21:12] <nhaines> 10.10 was a big deal, and in fact, the only exception (so for the last 13 releases).
[21:12] <nhaines> But they did that for marketing (read: to be silly).
[21:13] <nhaines> On the bright side, now we get releases in the middle of the month instead of at the end!
[21:13] <gua> ah yeahh. i just remember people weren't so happy since some things were kinda broken
[21:13] <bkerensa> MarkDude: You know your going to make out like a bandit next year at OSCON? I will be saving some goodies for your arrival :D
[21:13] <nhaines> gua: That's the last 14 releases too.  :)
[21:13] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Oh and next year Ubuntu Oregon might have one of those XO laptops at our booth
[21:13] <gua> nhaines: hah, well some more than others
[21:14] <gua> heh that's kind of nice. actually releasing inside of month 04 and 10, instead of really close to the end and technically being within the month
[21:14] <nhaines> The "Breaky Brokehog" release was not the finiest.
[21:14] <nhaines> s/finiest/finest/
[21:14] <gua> still not sure what sabfdl was thinking with that name
[21:14] <MarkDude> You get great donations bkerensa
[21:14] <MarkDude> You need to do a session for the next Open Week
[21:15] <MarkDude> Share your knowledge
[21:15] <bkerensa> MarkDude: I dont have time :P
[21:15] <bkerensa> MarkDude: I'm epic behind right now
[21:15] <nhaines> Yeah, that one hour of talking takes a good five hours of preparation.
[21:15] <nhaines> (or at least beer)
[21:15] <bkerensa> LOL
[21:19] <MarkDude> This suit will be at OSCON next year bkerensa http://mairin.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/sxsw-expo-day-2/
[21:19] <MarkDude> You can plan a few pics with it
[21:22] <MarkDude> Maybe see if you can get a beer donation- and make another Maddog special brew
[21:23] <MarkDude> Beer and Jon are great promotional tools for folks in PNW
[21:23] <MarkDude> Did you see the last one made for him?
[21:24] <MarkDude> Brother Maddogs Belgium beer or sumthin
[21:24] <bkerensa> MarkDude: I guess we better bring our A-Game at OSCON
[21:24] <bkerensa> :D
[21:25] <MarkDude> Well you will
[21:25]  * MarkDude still thinks there is room for TWO Ubuntu booths
[21:25] <MarkDude> Oregon as a host
[21:25] <MarkDude> and a Local Team in general booth, with info for joining wordwide, etc
[21:26] <MarkDude> O'Reilly has given ok for such a thing already, the past 2 years
[21:35] <bkerensa> MarkDude: You mean a Canonical booth? :P
[21:36] <MarkDude> Well Canonical does not generally have specifics on joining local teams
[21:37] <MarkDude> the whole Aubergine and Orange banner deal
[21:38] <MarkDude> http://akgraner.com/?p=1052
[23:24] <MarkDude> OMG, this is horrible >> https://www.facebook.com/2share
[23:25] <MarkDude> FB sparkly gifs, great way to turn FB into myspace
[23:25] <MarkDude> rww you can help ruin fb if you wan to help
[23:28] <MarkDude> I just put a big sparkly heart on G's wall