[00:33] <jthan> Evening everyone
[00:35] <teddy-dbear> 0/
[00:36] <beta0x64> hello
[00:38] <jthan> How are we all tonight?
[00:39] <teddy-dbear> I'm good
[00:39] <GeekyAdam> i had a crappy day, but drinking an Octoberfest now, so getting better
[00:39] <GeekyAdam> hi all, btw
[00:39] <teddy-dbear> just waiting for Thur. and the release party :-D
[00:45] <beta0x64>  I'm doing Karnaugh maps
[00:45] <beta0x64> because I have to :(
[01:09] <GeekyAdam> night
[01:09] <pleia2> teddy-dbear: stitch says hi!
[01:09] <teddy-dbear> hi Stitch :-[
[01:10] <teddy-dbear> I can't wait to hang out with you on Thur.
[01:45] <pvl1> hello
[01:45] <teddy-dbear> 0/
[01:46] <beta0x64> anyone here do any karnaugh maps, boolean minimization, etc?
[01:48]  * teddy-dbear hides
[01:49] <beta0x64> oh it's good fun.
[01:49] <beta0x64> you should have a go
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[01:50] <teddy-dbear> I should just go to bed 8-)
[01:50] <beta0x64> too early
[01:51] <teddy-dbear> bizzy week ;-)
[02:01] <InHisName> beta0x64: yea LOVED doing those maps way back in school daze
[02:06] <teddy-dbear> that's it for me
[02:06] <beta0x64> I have to do 5
[02:06] <beta0x64> 2 of which have 4 variables
[02:06] <teddy-dbear> nite-nite
[02:07] <beta0x64> so 16 row truth table for me
[02:08] <pvl1> what are they
[02:08] <InHisName> Yucked it up at many job interviews for several years but, nada.  Not a single tickle that ever used those babies.
[02:08] <beta0x64> a way of minimizing a boolean expression
[02:08] <beta0x64> OR
[02:08] <beta0x64> a way of finding the most optimal circuit
[02:09] <InHisName> Then you can implement into hardware for least cost in design.
[02:09] <beta0x64> for example, ' means NOT + means OR and multiplication is AND. (a'b + ab + a'c')(a'd + ab' + ac)
[02:09] <beta0x64> has the same truth table as (a'b'd + a'c'd + abc)
[02:10] <beta0x64> you mean you messed it up but still got the job InHisName ?
[02:11] <InHisName> No, tried to get jobs that used that skill, none EVER did.   Blahhhh
[02:12] <beta0x64> it could be useful if you can take the time to express your problem as a boolean expression
[02:12] <beta0x64> I was trying to do that for a stock indicator for my uncle, which it worked pretty well for constructing my if statements, etc
[02:12] <InHisName> At least none that I ever interviewed anyway.   And I did a lot of them during college.  Just to see what was available out there.
[02:14] <jthan> What's the weather like in nebraska come winter?
[02:15] <InHisName> cold, snowy, etc
[02:15] <InHisName> windy
[02:15] <jthan> That stinks.
[02:16] <InHisName> sometimes still and blue sky.   Perfect X-ski weather.
[02:16] <beta0x64> it's rumored that odor travels farther in the cold
[02:16] <beta0x64> which doesn't make sense to me since the particles would be more excited in the heat
[02:16] <InHisName> farther in dry air
[02:16] <InHisName> less to collide with
[02:16] <beta0x64> oh that makes sense because it's less dense
[02:16] <beta0x64> yes
[02:19] <InHisName> I spent a Christmas in Iowa (Near Nebraska) once.  More fun than staying in Fla for holidays.  I usually went to VT or NH for christmas break.   My one time to play in snow while living in tropics the rest of the year.
[02:20] <beta0x64> sounds delightful
[02:23] <InHisName> I have lotta fond memories of packing tent, sleeping bag and going to northeast, WV or IA for christmas holidays with NO reservation and had a blast.   Tent was in case I didn't make it or no room at inn sorta thing.
[02:24] <InHisName> Only 2 diff years did I ever get chance to camp out the whole night.  The rest it was carried around for no reason except for possible emergencies.
[02:25] <jthan> lol
[02:25] <jthan> I love your stories IHN
[02:25] <InHisName> Now you got me missing that sort of thing again.
[02:25] <InHisName> Need to find place that rents x-ski s for kid sizes.
[02:27] <jthan> I've never tried cross country skiing
[02:28] <InHisName> Just yesterday, I dusted of my tandem.  Droped the back seat to minimum. and YES! my foster daughter barely fit on it.  So we had nice long neighborhood ride on all roads bounded by busy roads.  About hour to do them all.
[02:28] <InHisName> s/of/off/
[02:29] <jthan> nice
[02:31] <InHisName> She's only 8 (this week) but nearly 5' tall already.   Still not good at stopping for signs, cars,e tc.   Tandem fixes that issue.
[02:34] <InHisName> Hey, my beta0x64 - don't cha wanna talk about karnaugh maps any more ?
[02:34] <InHisName> s/my/mr./
[02:35] <beta0x64> Well I was doing them but now I'm relaxing
[02:35] <beta0x64> It hurts my head to do something so monotonous
[02:35] <InHisName> finished already, snif snif
[02:35] <beta0x64> I'm wondering if I should go eat some Wendy's now or later
[02:35] <beta0x64> now I am not finished
[02:35] <beta0x64> no*
[02:35] <beta0x64> I am on b out of a,b,c,d,e :(
[02:36] <beta0x64> there was another question before though
[02:36] <InHisName> skip wendy an have a long blast of a time!
[02:36] <beta0x64> >: (
[02:36] <beta0x64> but that meager leftover taco from the fridge ain't filling me up
[02:38] <InHisName> so which is it?   minimizing boolean or maximizing your girth ?
[02:38] <beta0x64> muahaha. you sound like some nerd's search history
[02:39] <InHisName> unless you are as skinny as I always was / is.
[02:39] <beta0x64> I'm 190 pounds
[02:39] <beta0x64> and I really don't care
[02:39] <beta0x64> if I'm hungry, I eat
[02:40] <InHisName> If you were 6'7" then that'd be REAL thin.
[02:40] <beta0x64> I'm 5'7". And I still don't care.
[02:41] <InHisName> Then we're both happy with ourselves.  (the most ideal wt)
[02:41] <beta0x64> I just don't care about my weight at this point.
[02:42] <beta0x64> I care about surviving until next week :\
[02:46] <InHisName> I was surviving then too.  I got 100% in digital design 2.
[02:47] <beta0x64> Well obviously I suck.
[02:47] <beta0x64> Happy?
[02:47] <InHisName> I continued that 100% for several more classes in that 5th year.  Brought my gpa up to 3.2 at finish.
[02:47] <beta0x64> You can inspire me to be healthy all you want; the loss of so many vices simultaneously would drive me insane considering my circumstances.
[02:47] <InHisName> wrong that was HS,  more like 3.4
[02:48] <InHisName> Stick with education, be happy just as you are for rest and be successful with that degree.
[02:49] <beta0x64> That's my plan, though even focusing on developing a career and résumé now has caused a mid-midlife crisis. Though I'm pretty sure the transition from sophomore to junior is supposed to be a shift in looking at work prospects.
[02:51] <InHisName> So you have a couple of years left to go?   Lucky guy.
[02:52] <InHisName> Maybe the economy will be stronger by then ?   maaaayyyybe
[02:52] <beta0x64> 2 if I'm lucky. maybe 2.5 if my 18 credits plan with work doesn't work out
[02:52] <beta0x64> no if I'm lucky we'll be on the triple dip
[02:53] <beta0x64> I had to transfer schools and was unsure of whether or not my mom would die, so I was half-time for a term.
[02:53] <beta0x64> So, now I'm a sophomore and a half ... but I'm full-time again
[02:53] <InHisName> good for you
[02:54] <InHisName> mid-life crisis ?   are you a bit over 23  or so ?
[02:54] <beta0x64> I guess. I just feel like I need to go faster, better, everything but it's so hard to concentrate at home
[02:56] <beta0x64> I'm 20
[02:56] <beta0x64> I'll be 21 in July
[02:57] <InHisName> So you're on normal ed track.  only 47 or so years to retirement.
[02:57] <InHisName> Don't expect all 47 to be paid though.
[02:57] <beta0x64> if something catastrophic doesn't happen
[02:58] <beta0x64> I want to work as a programmer until I can save enough money to start a company.
[02:58] <InHisName> this last 7, I've worked 2 years.   Rest is living off 'extra' savings.
[02:58] <InHisName> Nice plan.
[02:59] <beta0x64> I've realized that you can really only live out of your profits. so you either reduce your spending to accomodate savings or you can make more profits :P
[02:59] <InHisName> u got that right
[02:59] <beta0x64> which the stock market is attractive from a computer science perspective because more and more of it is dominated by automated trading
[02:59] <JonathanD> the whole deal is dominated by automated trading
[02:59] <JonathanD> Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
[03:00] <JonathanD> It's terribly broken from it's "purpose"
[03:00] <beta0x64> so then you have a cash machine and can save enough profits from that up to put a down payment on a loan from a bank for a company
[03:01] <InHisName> Still need that 'sensational' idea to base company upon.  Without it its still born.
[03:01] <beta0x64> and if you advertise enough correctly (which costs money) I think many ideas that are scoffed at would work
[03:01] <beta0x64> nothing is new
[03:01] <beta0x64> just do something less people are doing and rebrand it
[03:02] <beta0x64> I swear I will sink 9 companies to find the tenth
[03:02] <InHisName> that's one method that works for many
[03:02] <beta0x64> a: no way man, that's the easy way out
[03:02] <beta0x64> b: yea man, that's the easy way out!
[03:02] <beta0x64> I choose b
[03:06] <pvl1> hello
[03:06] <beta0x64> greetings
[03:06] <InHisName> Hi pvl1
[03:07] <pvl1> so how do the tables find an optimal circuit
[03:08] <beta0x64> the tables are just a special way of representing a truth table
[03:08] <beta0x64> they are in a position so that each cell with a 1 is a solution, also called a minterm
[03:09] <beta0x64> if two 1's are next to each other, then they can be combined (or there is only 1 thing different between them and you take the difference)
[03:09] <beta0x64> this way you reduce the redundancy
[03:10] <pvl1> u find that fun?
[03:10] <beta0x64> no I find it torturous
[03:10] <beta0x64> but my professor finds it fun to assign it
[03:10] <beta0x64> probably because it's torturous
[03:11] <pvl1> thats cruel
[03:12] <beta0x64> yes it's likely
[03:12] <pvl1> for what class is it
[03:12] <beta0x64> "logic & switching theory"
[03:13] <beta0x64> which so far is just binary for dummies
[03:13] <beta0x64> more like
[03:13] <beta0x64> binary: behind the music
[03:14] <InHisName> Good way to develop solution when programming logic arrays.
[03:15] <beta0x64> or to at least reduce the time taken to calculate some logical answer
[03:15] <beta0x64> but honest to goodness, we're not learning how to write one
[03:15] <beta0x64> we're learning how to do one like a machine...which is a bit silly in my eyes
[03:15] <beta0x64> "oh you have to learn it to program it" ... exactly, so program it to learn it
[03:17] <beta0x64> I could see implementing this into an artifical neural network to recognize karnaugh map shapes and reduce that way
[03:17] <beta0x64> but why?
[03:19] <InHisName> all are great reasons depending on situation to solve.
[03:20] <beta0x64> I guess a karnaugh map could be useful for some kind of gray code recognition thingie
[03:20] <InHisName> yea in a simple form
[03:20] <beta0x64> but that's so vague and specific. you'd probably have hired a mathematician at that point
[03:23] <InHisName> The only people I met who DID karnaugh mapping in their career were contractors with Masters and 25+ years experience.    I never got to do much of the 'fun' stuff, The 'super guy' would swoop in do the fun stuff and then leave us with the drudgery of the rest of the work.
[03:23] <beta0x64> I'm sure he did it by hand, right?
[03:24] <InHisName> 40 years ago, yea,  prolly not that way today.
[03:29] <beta0x64> my point...
[03:31] <InHisName> yea, but 'cause he did karnaugh mapping 40 years ago, he gets the new assignment with new software to do same work.  7 years experience trumps any amount of education.
[03:32] <beta0x64> which type of experience?
[03:32] <beta0x64> workplace?
[03:34] <InHisName> yes, workplace and SPECIFIC.  i.e.  'must have had 7 years working with Windows 7.'   and other idiotic statements.
[03:35] <JonathanD> typical
[03:35] <beta0x64> because it might be tough to get workplace experience without an education and without enough free time to master something in that way
[03:35] <JonathanD> Although my workplace requires 7 years experience with windows 8.
[03:36] <beta0x64> wow JonathanD you must work at a 0-tier piracy "company"
[03:36] <InHisName> JonathanD: then how'd you keep your job ?
[03:36] <JonathanD> InHisName: personally I have 15 years on windows 10
[03:36] <JonathanD> So I'mm good.
[03:36] <beta0x64> I'm pretty good at Final Fantasy 8. does that qualify?
[03:36] <JonathanD> yes.
[03:37] <beta0x64> excelente
[03:37] <JonathanD> They're almost the same thing.
[03:37] <InHisName> might if that is what some HR person is spec'ing.
[03:37] <beta0x64> rawr random monster attack
[03:37] <beta0x64> IRQ error
[03:37] <beta0x64> BSoD :(
[03:37] <beta0x64> rather, IRQ conflict
[03:41] <JonathanD> Oh dear.
[03:41] <JonathanD> windows 98 now? :P
[03:42] <beta0x64> I wish Windows 98 was the last thing I remembered of that OS
[03:42] <beta0x64> don't forget, 98SE
[03:42] <beta0x64> then my all-time personal favorite which I recommend for enterprise servers: windows me
[03:47] <JonathanD> oh dear.
[03:47] <JonathanD> beta0x64: I just exclude ME from memory
[03:47] <JonathanD> people compare vista to ME. those people never used ME.
[03:48] <beta0x64> I recommend Embedded Windows for all train brakes, turbine blades, and sonar radios
[03:48] <beta0x64> D:
[03:48] <JonathanD> heh
[03:48] <JonathanD> lets use CE. CE is ok.
[03:49] <beta0x64> ok dumb question
[03:49] <beta0x64> what does CE stand for?
[03:49] <beta0x64> I am reading about it on wiki but it won't say :(
[03:49] <beta0x64> oh
[03:49] <beta0x64> compact embedded
[09:53] <rmg51> Morning
[09:54] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:14] <rmg51> hi JonathanD
[10:14] <JonathanD> hey
[12:05] <teddy-dbear> morning
[12:40] <jedijf> 2 wootoffs
[12:40] <jedijf> woot and kids
[12:50] <InHisName> So what did you buy already, jedijf ?
[14:19] <toggles> beta0x64: lol, we do actually use CE for some train on board systems
[18:12] <beta0x64> toggles, I think I'll walk
[18:18] <toggles> lol
[18:33] <jedijf> http://geekadelphia.com/2011/10/11/ubuntu-release-party-national-mechanics/
[18:43] <pleia2> :D
[20:23] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[22:24] <InHisName> hello, SamuraiAlba, are you having a good bacon time of school ?
[23:21] <SamuraiAlba> Bacons rockins in school!
[23:21] <SamuraiAlba> Sorry for the delay.  Was AFS (Away From Sanity)
[23:22] <SamuraiAlba> Got hired for work study in the Student Success and Testing Center