[00:06] * wrst_ peeks in at himself [00:07] Unit193: so I have this little machine and I don't know what it is but I'm trying to get linux to run on it [00:07] How'd I get this? ;) [00:07] Linux == arch? [00:07] ha ha well thought you might know what I need to do [00:08] Unit193: no i started trying to get ubuntu server on it, it has a VIA chip [00:08] it didn't like ubuntu server, i'm trying to install arch right now, and it doesn't seem to like it either but i'm going through with it [00:09] but as you can tell Unit193 i have gotten to a point in the install i could ssh out so that is getting better :) [00:14] This way you can check logs and see what's up :D [00:15] 2 VMs. Yep, this'll die :P [00:16] :) [00:16] hmm this is a very very slow machine i am working on... [00:17] CPU; RAM? [00:17] i get lots of cryptic errors with lots of numbers :) [00:20] i'm thinking possibly some bad memory or something [00:20] Got a few days? Memtest it :P [00:21] yeah i'm curious what memory it has in it probably quicker to just swap it out and see [00:22] I don't know on the cpu and ram i know its via of some sort [00:22] all these errors have ran arch's curses menu up to where I can't see it :| [00:23] whew there it is :) [00:25] wrst_: cryptic errors with lots of numbers, when did you start working for the "No Such Agency" [00:25] ha ha cyberanger [00:25] * wrst_ reboots! [00:27] ok so grub hates this ghing [00:27] *thing [00:27] grub, grub 2... i think i will try lilo never used it! [00:35] lilo is awesome [00:35] old school but still in development [00:37] binarymutant: have no clue how to use it, but tried ubuntu server, arhc, now have an ubuntu minimal cd in and the problem is always with grub [00:37] in grub 2 the rescue prompt didn't work correctly [00:37] what's the grub problem? [00:38] directx + wine is making me angry [00:39] i don't really know binarymutant :) [00:40] hmm direct x why oh why... how i hate you direct x [00:40] wrst: how do you know there's a problem? [00:42] wrst: try a different kernel version [00:44] although if it doesn't boot any kernel that won't help... [00:45] if it kernel panics it's the kernel not the bootloader, if it doesn't even get to try and load the kernel that it's grub [00:46] :/ [00:50] anyone try MS games in virtualbox? [01:08] binarymutant: yeah it doesn't get to the kernel and tried everything from ubuntu 8.04 to arch running kernel 3.0 [01:09] binarymutant: i'm not much of a gamer never tried it? [01:13] meh I gave up on AoE, I don't have the space for a Windows image, and can't get directx and wine to play well [01:14] wrst: that's strange, is grub on your mbr/ [01:15] yes supposed to be :) [01:15] i'm thinking its some hardware weirdness of some sort this is an odd little thing i bought from linuxman410 a year or so ago he couldn't get anything to run on it so thought I would try [01:15] binarymutant: I had it working a while ago on 6.10 (I think it was) [01:19] that's really strange o_0 [02:24] woot got it to working! [02:34] woot woot [02:39] hmm but kernel panics!!! woot woot :) [02:59] back [03:00] here's to twelve years of marriage ! [03:00] * netritious raises glass [03:00] awesome netritious [03:00] congrats [03:00] * netritious takes a drink [03:00] thanks wrst [03:00] now back to debian :D [03:01] ha ha what are you doing with debian netritious? [03:01] wrst: experimenting [03:01] researching [03:01] trying to see just how diff it is to ubuntu [03:02] netritious: i'm betting for what you do it won't get in the way [03:03] so far it seems leaner and a bit less crazy about eclectic (some might say proprietary) dependencies [03:03] how so ? [03:03] like in ubuntu if you apt-get remove openoffice.org/* then it will remove ubuntu-desktop, which "supposedly" (according to documentation) screws up version upgrades [03:04] not openoffice.org, but evolutions [03:04] *evolution [03:04] why in the world does it remove ubuntu-desktop???? [03:04] and now in 11.10 gwibber will cause the same effect [03:04] because the calendar depends on it? [03:05] maybe, but I am alsmot certain it has something to do with couchdb [03:05] ok i have to ask what is couchdb? [03:05] just the met package is removed though (ubuntu-desktop) not it's dependencies [03:05] *meta [03:06] used for ubuntu-one apparently [03:06] It's fine to remove that package, it's just for getting what you need on initial install [03:07] ahh gotcha [03:07] I have also done an upgrade without it, but it's NOT recommended (Also did it over SSH, another thing not recommended :P ) [03:07] netritious: tried a minimal install of ubuntu? [03:07] which package Unit193? [03:07] metapackage [03:07] wrst: I can install ubuntu probably 50 diff ways now :) [03:08] ha ha gotcha but if you install the stock desktop... [03:08] minimal and minimal virtual are my favs for ubuntu [03:08] min-virt gives me a 410-450mb install [03:08] that's a very minimal install :) [03:08] min comes in around 800mb [03:09] i think arch installs at 5-600 [03:09] ah but there are caveats [03:09] wrst: Try mini+lubuntu-core [03:09] to min-virt [03:09] Unit193: i'm happy where i am at on the destkop don't have to worry about junk [03:12] Unit193: about the unbuntu-desktop meta-package...according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions ... [03:12] It is technically just fine to remove a meta-package, if required, and this shouldn't necessarily cause any problems. However, it is strongly recommended that you reinstall that package if you decide to manually upgrade to another version of Ubuntu. The package manager requires those packages to be installed for it to successfully perform the upgrade. [03:12] who is going to remember that [03:13] Well, it worked for me, but I am not sure I would have a second go with it :P [03:15] I am just saying I would rather avoid the issue altogether by using a distro that doesn't have that issue with that particular meta-package [03:15] I have only bothered upgrading a desktop version maybe twice and it was a horrible experience [03:16] reminded me of upgrading windows [03:16] *server* though I have upgraded a few times without issue [03:17] netritious: i have never had an issue with the server, and the desktop goes ok for me when I have, but I don't tweak much [03:17] netritious: unfortunately for the ubuntu desktop, that is an accurate comparison of the headaches [03:17] and it's only getting worse [03:17] wrst: I need to fit a working OS on a 4GB flash drive...using debian :D [03:18] *compact flash drive [03:18] netritious: that's not an issue [03:18] live or can it be installed [03:18] to the flash drive [03:19] cyberanger: yep...you remember exodus_ms when he upgraded from intrepid to karmic? the upgrade from grub to grub2 *and* removal of hal *and* from ext3 to ext4? crazy stuff happened [03:19] cyberanger: I got it covered [03:19] working atm just fine [03:19] 1.4GB with fully funtional desktop [03:20] netritious: that was actually minor in some ways too, just the dependencies were too crazy [03:20] and 1.4GB for a bare system, that's heavy [03:21] cyberanger: instead of digging into the guts of it all I just scraped the top [03:21] with debians default "Graphical Desktop" and "System Utilities" I was coming in at 2.5GB [03:22] netritious: I just start small & build up, 500MB is the low record (and I could technically go lower, but I'd be missing stuff I like too much, like vlc & conky) [03:22] so I've shaved a gig, and it is only a 5 step ordeal post install [03:22] easy enough to remember [03:22] cyberanger: same here [03:22] ? /me reads up [03:24] saved a gig with debian, I believe it [03:26] one thing that tripped me up with gnome on debian at first was the use of gksu vs gksudo [03:26] netritious: thing is, with ubuntu as a base, really didn't save any [03:26] after searching for hours I finally found gksu-properties and solved that issue [03:26] it's packages ubuntu has debian leaves out (including whois even) that I reinstall [03:26] netritious: still using gnome? [03:26] shave another gig by ditching it [03:27] save 200MB somewhere, but after installing tons of stuff over time, I get the same 1GB in the end (including fatter config files, photos, some music) [03:27] binarymutant: I don't run a desktop by default, meaning, when the system boots it's CLI [03:27] ah [03:27] I have to sudo start gdm [03:27] gdm is big too [03:27] gdm + deps [03:27] and now on 11.10 it's sudo start lightdm [03:27] yeah it is [03:28] anyone try cdm yet? I couldn't get it to work [03:28] I just change the upstart script to start gdm in runlevel 3 [03:28] <- xdm right now [03:29] I use gnome or nothing atm...i mean, if I use a desktop it's gnome, otherwise it's CLI for me [03:30] if you like floating windows, *box is much smaller than gnome [03:30] and tiling window managers are even smaller :D [03:30] I've tried lxde and fluxbox...they were ok [03:30] fluxbox ya [03:30] and lxde uses openbox [03:31] and binarymutant uses awesomewm [03:31] :) [03:32] * wrst likes to have plenty of things to pointy pointy, clicky clicky [03:32] keyboard is where it's at, laptop mice hurt [03:32] crampy [03:34] I like computers that run something and that I can interact with...i am not tooo picky about cli vs windows or linux vs unix or gnome vs *...i use mouse at CLI to [03:34] trying to remember the package name [03:34] ah ya [03:34] but MAN did that come in handy [03:34] thinkstrain [03:34] having a mouse at console I mean [03:34] ya [03:35] uh uh... [03:35] I still can't remember...it's something weird too [03:35] GPM! [03:35] <- had to google it [03:36] gpm with aptitude | mc | whatever is awwesome [03:37] yep that's it! [03:38] was googling too :D [03:40] lol [03:41] the google generation [03:41] netritious: tried slim yet? [03:42] I use openbox raw (no lxde) but rarely do I fireup xorg to use it [03:43] cyberanger: sure haven't [03:44] netritious: simple login manager is about as slim as it gets [03:44] short of starting out in a cli and running xorg via startx [03:45] cdm [03:45] http://cdm.ghost1227.com/ [03:49] binarymutant: neato [03:50] js is cool [03:51] ya the site is nice [03:51] the dm looks nice too [03:58] trying to decide what browser to install...chromium or iceweasel..isn't iceweasel ff in disguise? [03:59] yes [03:59] ff without trademarks [03:59] right..debian seems to be pretty serious about that [04:00] yeah [04:00] dfsg, free all the way [04:01] I can dig that [04:02] netritious: iceweasel [04:11] luakit :D [04:11] -- crashes all the time with flash -- [04:56] binarymutant: that's flash for ya [04:56] I'm still thinking of doing a server and it sounds like I'm going with Stable :P [04:58] cya guys..was fun [04:59] * Unit193 wonders if he would get shot for posting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp6uEIAEy9g [04:59] ya i wish I had a cd now [04:59] lol Unit193 [05:00] I stopped it, knowing exactly how long it would go on [14:12] johnhaitas: How the frak did you find me on FB? lol [14:12] oh good morning everyone [14:22] o/ [14:22] Good morning gentleman [14:22] how ya doing [14:23] Hi vychune, I am doing great. How are you? [14:23] anything exciting going on? [14:24] im good, despite my dialup dilemmea. [14:25] I was just noticing that you are on dial-up [14:25] that's gotta suk [14:26] just finished watching Gordon Ramasy's F word. and speaking of F words..... [14:26] yes it F'n SUCKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS [14:26] but it's free [14:26] no ads [14:26] Thats pretty cool I guess. I still don't think I could do it [14:27] I didn't even kno ppl still offer it [14:27] i'm desparate [14:27] * vychune is unemployed and living with Mom [14:27] Netzero [14:28] people PC [14:28] AOL [14:28] Oh, I feel ya there. I've been unemployed more then a year [14:28] DAMN [14:29] I go to McDonalds or Starbucks with the laptop in times of desperation [14:29] that bites [14:29] or bytes lol [14:29] nice [14:29] luckly the wife still works [14:29] what part of TN are in from? [14:29] good good [14:29] I'm in knoxville [14:30] yu? [14:30] Memphis empathsis [14:30] Everyone here seems to be out that wayt [14:31] which just got voted one of the poorest and most dangerous cities in the US [14:31] hmm yeah kinda [14:31] Idk, I feel like while everyone has been whining, the economy has been slowly turning the corner [14:32] define turning the corner [14:32] I got 2 call for $21hr+ yesterday alone [14:32] cool [14:32] the phone is starting to ring again [14:33] I have a felony so most good jobs don't work out [14:33] Oh yeah [14:33] but it is good that ppl are at least hiring [14:34] right [14:34] Felony? ouch [14:34] Hack the gov't? lol [14:34] sorry bad joke [14:35] it's coo [14:36] I started going back to my chruch and a family business i used to work for is really needing me back in the fold so i'll be back in the workforce soon [14:36] Awesome! I wish you luck [14:38] thank you [14:40] cosmicpizza? nice nick [14:40] hi there [14:41] o/ [14:41] thx [14:42] average_guy: i'm really hating my dialup right now, because the top of this picture i want to see really look cool lol [14:43] Yeah, I get frustrated just thinking about dial-up [14:43] you can't do graphics [14:44] then there's the iorc lag [14:45] *irc [14:46] sooo.. no wireless capability? [14:48] nope [14:49] I can't live without [14:50] its nerveracking [14:51] I bet. An exersize in patience [14:53] good thing i stockpile that lol [14:54] Ahh, no kids I take it.. [14:54] Thats where all mine goes [14:57] * vychune just turned twenty [14:57] i miss my teen years [14:58] ? [14:58] they not THAT far gone [14:58] tell that to my Mother [14:59] Haha [14:59] Ms. "my job is done....You're Eighteen" [14:59] Hey you're stayin there.. at least you have a roof [15:00] WHO SAID YOU CAN RETIRE FROM BEING A PARENT?!?!?!?!?! [15:00] My Mom would never let me move back [15:00] well yeah [15:01] mine wouldnt eiether [15:01] i just havent gotten out yet [15:01] Ahh.. [15:01] speaking of getting out............ [15:01] I had to join the Army at 18 I was NOT allowed to stay at home [15:02] i'm gonna walk to the library now i cant take much more of this [15:02] don't blame ya [15:02] they tried to get mer to do that [15:03] brb [15:54] cyberanger: got a very basic arch install just under 400MB [16:01] ha but it failed [16:47] i'm backkkk [16:47] ahhh broadband lol [16:56] average_guy: still here? [16:59] wrst: failed and did it have all the tools you wanted, or were you about to add 100MB [17:00] and not sure failed should count [17:03] Hey vychune, better now? [17:04] YESSSSSSSSSSSSS [17:04] broadband baby [17:05] cyberanger: well installed but grub failed, on this machine that i got from linuxman410 [17:05] i had ubuntu booting and running but kernel panics, i had to put a jumper on the hard drive, i think grub2 works better so trying ubuntu again then going to try debian [17:06] how is my old buddy linuxman410? [17:08] vychune: haven't heard from him in a while i'm looking forward to telling him i finally got that box atleast to booting [17:09] i think the one he gave me will be going to #midsouthmakers [17:09] cool vychune [17:10] not cool [17:10] it's going to the scarp room [17:10] *scrap [17:11] the hard from it is burning up [17:11] literally [17:18] ok i got three minutes till i have to got off so gotta go [17:45] binarymutant: sup dude? [18:02] asup homie [18:03] binarymutant: you know that machine i was messing with last night, a second install seemed to get it going i didn't install the server kernel [18:04] that's good news [18:04] so it was the kernel? [18:05] i don't know binarymutant, arch didn't work at all on it, which is weird [18:06] i had to put a jumper on the hard drive to get grub to work, its IDE so i'm not for sure but right now it seems good [18:06] now to figure out what I'm going to do with it! [18:06] ah it was the jumper [18:06] master|slave|cable select [18:06] yes that was the grub issue i'm not for sure what the kernel panic issue was [18:07] probably the jumper too, who knows [18:07] that would have tripped me up forever [18:07] bad ISO? [18:07] well got that after the jumper, but installed before the jumper [18:07] binarymutant: it was a shot in the dark for me :) [18:07] vychune: net install trying to keep it as small as possible, only have a 10GB hard drive [18:08] oh ok [18:08] i like having music out in the garage and have the wifes old G3 macbook out there now, thinking of hooking it up to speakers and see if i can get some type of control to remote play music [18:08] and of course wireless of some type [18:09] mpd [18:09] mpd+lirc=greatness [18:09] hmm binarymutant, i shall google that :) [18:10] oh wow binarymutant cool i may give that a try [18:10] gtg into town bbl [18:10] gotta get a usb wireless that works and all that setup i think cyberanger uses wicd-curses for that [18:10] thanks for the hint binarymutant! [18:10] np [18:11] uh oh spoke too soon, we have panic and I think its the kernel screaming [18:12] i think the little via processor just can't handle much and by much i mean apt [18:15] rolling out guys [18:54] wrst: yep, wicd instead of network-manager [18:56] wrst: Belkin Components F5D7050 Wireless G Adapter v4000 [Zydas ZD1211B] [18:57] wrst: that card has mutiple chipsets, I can vouch for this and another I forget what that was [18:57] never heard of that card with an annoying non-linux chipset [19:47] cool cyberanger if i get this thing stable i may get that [19:48] * wrst thinks he may have a heating issue [19:48] wrst: that card has only gotten cheaper, gotten slightly harder to find [19:49] there are better cards, but you know me, I go overboard on that [19:49] stuff that's got multimile range [19:49] well i just want one that works really [19:49] and easily [19:50] this card does, minimal issues, and easy [19:50] ok cyberanger i'm wondering how to cool a fanless machine :) [19:50] with no hope of a fan! [19:51] (it's not too sensitive, that's it's main issue, if your on fringe of your signal, this card is one of the first to fail to get it) [19:51] wrst: check the airflow, look for dust & debris [19:51] cyberanger: this is completely enclosed device, there is no airflow [19:51] it's still got airflow, just not fan assisted [19:51] I doubt that, your saying it's airtight [19:51] no air flow it has aluminun case that is supposed to disperse the heat [19:52] cyberanger: yep air tight, well not air tight but for practical purposes air tight [19:52] air tight like a metal box bolted together is air tight [19:52] can you open it and check for any debris [19:52] yes I have its clean [19:53] nothing out of place [19:54] not that I can tell i may have to fabricate something with a fan [19:54] nope not heat it locked up as quick as i started it :) [19:54] overclocked any? [19:54] ha, oh boy [19:54] cyberanger: its got a via chip any ideas on that beast? [19:55] which via chip, there are a few [19:56] oh, you mean processer [19:56] yes [19:56] processor. [19:56] let me hard reboot this baby again :) [19:57] lilo and arch currently? [19:58] no grub and ubuntu :) [19:58] how i wanted it to start with actually [20:02] cyberanger: this is the cpuinfo: http://pastebin.com/AQpamuNi [20:02] and lspci: http://pastebin.com/2fRAqxLN [20:02] wrst: when you say ubuntu, you mean normal ubuntu desktop, what release [20:03] i used the 11.10 minimal install cyberanger [20:03] * cyberanger pulls up pastebin links with curl, take that gui [20:03] wrst: but for a desktop install, or did you tell it to do something different [20:03] like I do for crunchbang like results [20:04] ok cyberanger i see a debian install that looks like using 486 worked and 686 kernel may not have [20:04] cyberanger: no just bare bones all i wanted was cli [20:05] cyberanger: about to try debian on it [20:06] wrst: was thinking kernel arch would help, but was trying to verify [20:06] try it, it was the same route I was thinking too [20:07] also, that could explain bootloader issues a little [20:09] what debian should i use cyberanger? [20:19] wrst: testing [20:20] ok meant which architecture :) [20:20] i386? [20:21] 486 [20:21] so yeah [20:22] ok i'm installing, but hey i can isntall and boot on this that's more than me and linuxman410 could do for a couple years :) [20:24] dunno if he was trying debian though [20:25] never could get it to boot hard drive had to have a jumper [20:27] via ? wowza [20:29] I don't think I've ever seen Via architecture before [20:30] binarymutant: they're usually x86, but they're rare now [20:30] just not optimized for anything beyond 486 [20:31] ah [20:32] ubuntu seems to be all 686-pae now [20:32] pae? [20:32] plug and enjoy? [20:33] physical address exteensions [20:33] never heard :/ [20:33] some mobos don't support pae [20:33] wiki-ing it now [20:34]