[14:54] <Pjotr> Hello, I installed Xubuntu Oneiric today, with the daily build of yesterday evening. I noticed two issues:
[14:54] <Pjotr> 1. the wireless network data (SSID and key) weren't transferred from the live session to the hard disk installation (previous installs of Xubuntu did that fine): at the end of the installation, I received an error message stating that the transfer of network data had failed.
[14:54] <Pjotr> 2. In Xubuntu, Firefox didn't contain the Dutch spell checking dictionary (in a Dutch localized system). I had to install it manually afterwards. The same Firefox in Ubuntu, *did* contain this dictionary. So this issue is Xubuntu-only. My guess is, that this happens in all languages, not only in Dutch.
[14:59] <charlie-tca> New images for testing just came out. Plese download/sync if you are testing these final candidates.
[15:01] <Pjotr> charlie-tca: the images here, are still those of yesterday evening: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[15:02] <charlie-tca> nope
[15:03] <charlie-tca> yeah
[15:03] <charlie-tca> give them a minute to refresh maybe.
[15:03] <charlie-tca> the new images just hit, and it takes a few minutes for them to sync to current
[15:04] <charlie-tca> If you look at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/, you see the ones dated for today
[15:04] <Pjotr> OK... Do they address the two issues I just reported?
[15:04] <charlie-tca> and I would know because? they just got posted...
[15:05] <charlie-tca> I know for sure between the time you posted the issues here and the respin finished, nothing was done
[15:06] <Pjotr> I found them, thanks... 
[15:06] <Pjotr> Do you happen to know if they address the two issues I just mentioned here?
[15:08] <charlie-tca> No, I don't. They have been respinning to much for me to even test them
[15:09] <Pjotr> OK, I'll do a fresh install and then report back here.
[16:09] <Pjotr> Hello, I've just freshly installed Xubuntu Oneiric, daily build of this afternoon
[16:10] <Pjotr> the issue of the transfer of the wireless data, has been solved
[16:10] <charlie-tca> great!
[16:10] <charlie-tca> however, ...
[16:10] <Pjotr> but not the issue of the Firefox spell dictionary: only in Xubuntu, Firefox didn't contain the Dutch spell checking dictionary (in a Dutch localized system). I had to install it manually afterwards. The same Firefox in Ubuntu, *did* contain this dictionary. So this issue is Xubuntu-only. My guess is, that this happens in all languages, not only in Dutch.
[16:11] <Pjotr> charlie-tca: lol
[16:12] <Pjotr> And another thing, which I've noticed all along in all Oneiric builds: Oneiric-backports were enabled by default. Is this intentional? Backports never ever were enabled by default in *buntu.
[16:14] <charlie-tca> micahg: what about a 0day SRU to enable the languages in firefox for Xubuntu?
[16:14] <charlie-tca> Pjotr: we probably enabled them by mistake
[16:15] <Pjotr> charlie-tca: Same in Ubuntu Oneiric, as I recall.... Backports are not a good thing for a stable system.
[16:16] <charlie-tca> I don't think it is a big deal, since backports is empty until we get to this point anyway
[16:17] <charlie-tca> Even enabled, an empty repository has no effect
[16:17] <Pjotr> OK, but this changes after final release...
[16:19] <charlie-tca> yes, 
[16:19] <charlie-tca> it will start filling up, and then enabled can be very bad
[16:19] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: we have backports enabled in the final images
[16:19] <madnick> how is the spreadsheet for today? should one change it? it doesnt have any date field
[16:20] <charlie-tca> We use the ISO tracker only this week
[16:20] <madnick> iso tracker?
[16:20] <madnick> :P
[16:20] <charlie-tca> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/
[16:20] <madnick> oh okay
[16:23]  * charlie-tca is still syncing...
[16:30] <Pjotr> Have to go. Good luck with the final polishing; Xubuntu Oneiric is already mighty fine, and will be a great success!
[16:30] <charlie-tca> Thank you for testing today
[17:51] <pleia2> charlie-tca: who all has access to the drupal site? I have a company meeting on thursday so I am going to be away for a few hours, possibly when release happens and we need the announcement posted
[17:51] <charlie-tca> you, cody-somerville, vinnl unless vinnl lost his password again
[17:53] <knome> how does chrome compare to epiphany/midori memorywise?
[17:56] <charlie-tca> knome: how good is your memory? did I get the access list right?
[17:57] <knome> that sounds about right
[17:58] <charlie-tca> I don't the memory requirements for browsers. I haven't used chrome, I used epiphany a number of years ago, and I try midori each release.
[17:59] <knome> right
[17:59] <charlie-tca> but I am hoping someone else does know. :)
[17:59] <knome> my eeepc has 512MB mem, and i'd need to get a decent fast browser
[18:00] <madnick> 512MB RAM, same as mine then, I use netsurf
[18:00] <knome> is it cli? :P
[18:00] <madnick> it can be :)
[18:00] <madnick> does not have to be
[18:00] <knome> right
[18:00] <madnick> http://www.netsurf-browser.org/about/screenshots/images/framebuffer-bbc.png
[18:00] <madnick> there is framebuffer version
[18:00] <madnick> http://www.netsurf-browser.org/about/screenshots/images/gtk-bbc.png
[18:00] <madnick> gtk version
[18:01] <knome> how well does it know the new css3/html5 stuff?
[18:01] <madnick> You had to ask :(
[18:01] <knome> haha
[18:01] <charlie-tca> netsurf appears to be in Oneiric, too
[18:01] <knome> yeah, i had to, because i need to show off a css3/html5 site with that browser :P
[18:01] <madnick> Well, afaik they are trying to keep pace with HTML5/CSS3
[18:01] <knome> btw, one more bomb
[18:01] <knome> i have lucid :P
[18:02] <knome> well, i don't need the css3 stuff to work
[18:02] <knome> as long as anything doesn't break horribly.
[18:02] <charlie-tca> netsurf | 1.2-1build1 | lucid/universe | source, amd64, armel, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc
[18:02] <madnick> I think perhaps a webkit based browser is your best shot
[18:02] <charlie-tca> should still have netsurf then
[18:02] <knome> why is my D/L rates like 30kB/s on the eeepc? :(
[18:02] <charlie-tca> midori was not all that great in lucid, was it?
[18:03] <knome> no idea.
[18:03] <knome> :)
[18:03] <charlie-tca> I think I would epiphany or chrome, but am not sure. 
[18:05] <madnick> #include <webkit/webkit.h> #include <gtk/gtk.h> + 50 more lines of code, it wont get much lighter :P But Epiphany is light, even tho it has some features
[18:06] <knome> with ethernet, the download rates are as they should be
[18:07] <knome> i wonder if the wlan is somehow broken, or if it's just supposed to be slow :P
[18:07] <madnick> hehe, i got the EEEPC900, it barely runs :\
[18:08] <knome> i've the 4G
[18:09] <knome> my laptop is not working, since its HD went dingdong
[18:09] <knome> i haven't got the motivation yet to check if it works with the new HD
[18:09] <knome> i must've done something wrong, because the DVD drive in it doesn't work any more :((
[18:15] <knome> how broken is the daily build for today?
[18:15] <knome> wait, there is no desktop daily
[18:15] <knome> awwwh
[18:16] <knome> ehh, what
[18:16] <knome> what's the official site for daily builds? are desktop images working?
[18:20] <charlie-tca> knome: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[18:20] <charlie-tca> or !daily
[18:20] <charlie-tca> !daily
[18:20] <knome> okay
[18:20] <knome> are they working? ;)
[18:21] <charlie-tca> yes, they appear to be working, but I am just starting an install now. I haven't had time yet to run them
[18:21] <knome> heh, okay.
[18:21] <knome> they should work with the startup creator too, right?
[18:21] <charlie-tca> I have seen a report that Ubuntu has 57 updates after installing today
[18:22] <knome> that's not a problem really.
[18:22] <charlie-tca> yup, supposed to with with startup creator or unetbootin
[18:22] <knome> good
[18:39] <charlie-tca> Still got Onboard in the menu! That's a big difference at this point in the cycle
[18:43] <madnick> onboard is a bliss compared to xkb, or what its called :)
[18:43] <charlie-tca> Yeah, but to actually still have it in the menu is awesome!
[18:43] <madnick> :)
[18:45] <charlie-tca> 64bit live session is working good.
[18:45] <madnick> yeah 32bit too :) 
[18:47] <charlie-tca> The only serious issue I have so far is abiword won't save the template, and you have to manually change settings every time you use it
[18:47] <charlie-tca> If you change the fonts, write a letter, save and close, when you open the letter, the font is back to the original font
[18:53] <charlie-tca> madnick: verify bug 854198 . Can we sign it off as fixed now?
[18:54] <madnick> charlie-tca: let me try
[18:55] <charlie-tca> I can not reproduce it any more
[18:57] <madnick> charlie-tca: http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/nope.png
[18:57] <madnick> sorry, its still there on days image
[18:59] <madnick> todays*
[19:05] <charlie-tca> No problem. The bug is still open, too
[19:05] <charlie-tca> I tried from desktop session, and could not make it freeze
[19:06] <madnick> I tried from the installer
[19:06] <charlie-tca> Yeah, one more reason to push the install from live session thing.
[19:11] <micahg> charlie-tca: dictionaries are installed as part of language-selector, I'm not sure how that works for derivatives, also backports is enabled for everyone by default with a lower pin priority, this allows users to get entirely new packages from backports, but not ones currently in the distro w/out explicitly selecting them
[19:13] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I thought about backports and came to that conclusion
[19:13] <charlie-tca> Apparently dictionaries work different for derivatives, since the report was they are enabled by default in Ubuntu.
[19:14] <charlie-tca> I don't know how it works, is it anything to worry about or do we just tell them to install the dictionary of their choice?
[19:17] <micahg> if they fire up language selector, it should allow the install of whatever is missing
[19:20] <charlie-tca> hm, does that mean we are not fully installing languages again?
[19:20] <charlie-tca> I will run a Korean installation and check that out
[19:20] <charlie-tca> m, wait
[19:21] <charlie-tca> If they choose to install in their native language, they never have to fire up the language selector after the install, but they also don't get the dictionary of their native language.
[19:38] <charlie-tca> Does anyone get the "remove the disk and hit enter to continue" prompt on the desktop cd?
[19:38] <charlie-tca> Does anyone get the "remove the disk and hit enter to continue" prompt on the desktop cd?
[19:40] <charlie-tca> It's plymouth that should generate the message, right?
[19:54] <charlie-tca> Well, anyway, it's now bug 872472
[19:57] <charlie-tca> Okay, even saveas defaults to recently used? REALLY?
[19:57] <charlie-tca> and then errors because you did not pick the folder. REALLY
[19:57] <charlie-tca> Can't it just default to /home/$USER anymore?
[19:59] <charlie-tca> hm, my abiword bug seems to be my own settings. will have to investigate after release.
[20:04] <jay__> Hi all, have installed beta 2, been using the last 2 days, all up to date. its been going great, but suddenly every time i log in, xfdesktop needs to be restarted as i just get a blank screen, any ideas?/can anyone help? thanks
[20:05] <jay__> its a problem with xfdesktop
[20:12] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: we seem to be in good condition for this final release. 
[20:12] <charlie-tca> Keeping the fingers crossed, of course.
[20:13] <charlie-tca> jay__: user support is #xubuntu. You might try saving the session before shutting dow/restarting/logging out
[20:13] <mr_pouit> nice, thanks
[20:13] <charlie-tca> I still can not reproduce the blueman crash
[20:15] <mr_pouit> (fyi, I'm busy tomorrow afternoon and thursday afternoon, so don't hate me if I'm not online before the evening ;-)
[20:15]  * micahg is gone from tomorrow afternoon until sat night
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Okay, I promise
[20:18] <charlie-tca> micahg: Thanks for all you have done. Enjoy your time off!
[20:18] <jay__> i just figured since this was dev and that i was using beta 2 that this might be the place, thanks for getting back, i head over to xubuntu now
[20:19] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I am thinking just tomorrow . We will be releasing it Thursday, and if they don't screw us by tomorrow night, it's too late, isn't it?
[20:19] <charlie-tca> jay__: all of +1 is supported in #ubuntu+1, for all flavors/derivatives
[20:24] <charlie-tca> micahg: before you disappear, is it possible to look over the release notes and see what I screwed up?
[20:24] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/OneiricOcelot/Final
[20:24] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I would really appreciate you taking a look too
[20:25] <charlie-tca> hm, I don't know how to bypass the lightdm screen, but autologin works when the user name is hightlighted and login is clicked.
[20:27] <charlie-tca> oops, seems if Session and Startup -> Advanced tab, Launch GNOME services on startup is checked, Onboard starts automatically
[20:27] <charlie-tca> but can be closed, with a click
[20:29] <charlie-tca> It is not in Autostart, so it is tied to GNOME services starting.
[20:31] <charlie-tca> hm, GNOME services gives another user a blue background instead of the wallpaper
[20:35] <mr_pouit> I read it this afternoon, and it was ok
[20:35] <micahg> charlie-tca: nautilus?
[20:37] <charlie-tca> no
[20:37] <charlie-tca> seems unchecking Gnome Services makes things work right again
[20:38] <charlie-tca> nautilus not installed here
[20:38] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: bug against xfce4-session for Gnome Services?
[20:42] <charlie-tca> micahg: no, nautilus not installed when the blue background comes up
[20:43] <mr_pouit> xfce4-session then
[20:44] <charlie-tca> filing the bug now. Thank you
[20:44] <charlie-tca> annoyance more than anything. Hate having to close a window I didn't open
[20:51] <charlie-tca> The issue with the desktop is nautilus caused for jay__ 
[21:01] <charlie-tca> madnick: still testing?
[21:07] <madnick> charlie-tca: nope, i did both images
[21:07] <madnick> desktop and alternatte
[21:08] <charlie-tca> Thanks!
[21:08] <charlie-tca> I was going to have you verify that Gnome services/Onboard starting bug
[21:08] <madnick> I can boot it up
[21:09] <madnick> What is the test case?
[21:09] <charlie-tca> bug 872515
[21:10] <charlie-tca> just open settings -> Sessions and Startup, last tab is advanced, check Gnome services, reboot
[21:10] <charlie-tca> see if Onboard is started when you login
[21:10] <madnick> okay
[21:12] <madnick> charlie-tca: it does
[21:13] <madnick> Should I write that I confirm it?
[21:13] <charlie-tca> please do
[21:13] <charlie-tca> I can't confirm my own bug, but I can mark it triaged if you confirm it
[21:15] <madnick> I wrote that i confirmed it
[21:15] <madnick> I should perhaps have given more details like me following the steps, but I did not think of that :(
[21:16] <charlie-tca> That's okay, as long as it happens
[21:16] <charlie-tca> Thank you very much. 
[21:16] <charlie-tca> Have a good night, sir
[21:16] <madnick> :)
[21:23] <charlie-tca> ouch
[21:23] <charlie-tca> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/10/11/1845226/Linux-Kernel-Developer-Declares-VirtualBox-Driver-Crap?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed
[21:23] <charlie-tca> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/10/11/1845226/Linux-Kernel-Developer-Declares-VirtualBox-Driver-Crap
[21:23] <charlie-tca> That's better
[22:30] <charlie-tca> knome: I thought you said topics don't get read?
[22:30] <charlie-tca> think it will help?
[22:31] <Unit193> For the 1 in 100 it might
[22:31] <knome> charlie-tca, no, i said i don't get to read topics :)
[22:31] <charlie-tca> lol
[22:31] <knome> charlie-tca, those who join with a GUI client, probably read the topics better
[22:31] <charlie-tca> That's different, all right. :)
[22:31] <knome> that's the difference
[22:31] <knome> just got oneiric installed in my eeepc
[22:31] <knome> works fine
[22:32] <charlie-tca> Let's hope. the !notyet factoid is up too now
[22:32]  * Unit193 thinks less than half
[22:32] <charlie-tca> !notyet
[22:32] <knome> charlie-tca, btw, i do have factoid editing rights, if we ever need anything...
[22:32] <charlie-tca> great. it's +1 only
[22:32] <knome> heh
[22:32] <knome> !notyet-#ubuntu+1
[22:33] <Unit193> !isitout
[22:33] <knome> hmm.
[22:33] <charlie-tca> I generally try to push the factoids towards you. You are better with them then me
[22:33] <charlie-tca> oh
[22:33] <charlie-tca> isitout, huh?
[22:34] <charlie-tca> I thought that was an alias for notyet
[22:34] <Unit193> !-isitout
[22:34] <charlie-tca> no, huh?
[22:34] <charlie-tca> gonna make my brain hurt
[22:35] <Unit193> outyet
[22:35] <charlie-tca> I wrote it down this time
[22:36] <knome> hehe
[22:36] <charlie-tca> Now if I don't lose the paper again
[22:36] <knome> firefox with 2 zoomouts on eeepc is actually quite enjoyable
[22:37] <charlie-tca> heh, I imagine it is
[22:37] <knome> one could say the text is quite small... but not me
[22:38] <knome> the slowness i wanted to get rid of wasn't actually in firefox
[22:38] <knome> it was the bad wifi driver that dragged down the pageloads
[22:38] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I have to zoom a few more than two times these days
[22:38] <charlie-tca> so, you got the driver fixed?
[22:38] <knome> well, i installed oneiric
[22:38] <knome> i had lucid
[22:38] <charlie-tca> :)
[22:39] <charlie-tca> oneiric has some advantages
[22:39] <knome> it boots a bit slower i think, but it's okay to use
[22:39] <knome> it's not my everyday machine anyway
[22:39] <knome> i think i have to buy a new laptop though
[22:39] <Unit193> Is -release-party worth it?
[22:39] <knome> seems like there is something else broken than just the HDD...
[22:39] <charlie-tca> I thought that one you had was new?
[22:39] <knome> ah, no ;)
[22:40] <knome> both the eeepc and the 15" laptop are old
[22:40] <charlie-tca> Unit193: never tried the channel. bad enough in #ubuntu+1 close to release
[22:40] <charlie-tca> knome: then it is probably time to replace it
[22:40] <knome> Unit193, no. people are just asking if it's out, the other people is linking to porn and stupid links saying it's out, and in the end, they all get banned.
[22:40] <charlie-tca> Unit193: when +1 swells to 1000, I drop it too
[22:41] <knome> charlie-tca, yeah, i think so. not that i need a new one right now, i just upgraded the graphics card on my desktop...
[22:41] <Unit193> knome, charlie-tca: Thanks. Only thing that sounds fun is all the banning :P
[22:42] <knome> that's not funny either actually. because after that, they're all at #ubuntu-ops whining :P
[22:43] <Unit193> Oh nice... Seems I should be glad I'm only in the secret one :P
[22:44] <knome> heh :P
[22:44] <knome> it'll be soon when you're on -ops too
[22:44] <knome> anyway
[22:44] <knome> have you seen a problem on oneiric, where part of the n letter is cut out on some text sizes?
[22:45] <Unit193> Doesn't sound like it from last meeting, but yes. anyway...
[22:45] <Unit193> Know what size? I could check
[22:46] <knome> the default terminal font size for example
[22:46] <charlie-tca> no, is it by chance the actual font doing it?
[22:46] <knome> it doesn't look intentional, and it's the default font.
[22:47] <charlie-tca> I don't see it cut off on this fresh install
[22:47] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_font/Screenshot.png
[22:47] <charlie-tca> it is straight legged
[22:48] <Unit193> I didn't have that...
[22:48] <charlie-tca> oh, that's weird. I don't get that here
[22:48] <knome> droid sans mono 12
[22:48] <knome> works well now with 9
[22:49] <charlie-tca> Yeah, mine are complete, with legs to the bottom of the line
[22:49] <charlie-tca> I even tried in leafpad to see if I could tell a difference. 
[22:50] <charlie-tca> My terminal preferences show Droid Sans Mono 12 as default
[22:50] <charlie-tca> knome: that's only the n doing it?
[22:50] <knome> that actually happens in firefox too in some sizes (and happened in installation too), so i'm wondering if it has something to do with the GPU, but then again, i can't install anything from jockey either
[22:50] <knome> let me check
[22:51] <charlie-tca> I would expect m to do it too, but it didn't 
[22:51] <knome> actually, the problem just disappeared from firefox
[22:51] <knome> but terminal still has it
[22:53] <charlie-tca> weird. It has to be something in the GPU then. What about a different font? I know it's a pain to change them, but maybe it is something to do with the way droid draws the letters
[22:53] <knome> hmm....
[22:53] <knome> it has something to do with antialiasing
[22:53] <knome> when i disable that, the legs show up
[22:54] <knome> from appearance tab fonts, setting hinting to anything else than "slight", the problem disappears
[22:55] <charlie-tca> That is the GPU, then, isn't it? Most of the systems have to stay on slight to get decent characters
[22:56] <knome> or changing the dpi works too
[22:56] <knome> none is a bit bad, but the others look just like slight
[22:57] <knome> except the letter-spacing is a bit smaller in them.
[22:57] <knome> which is actually nice
[22:57] <knome> hmmkay, now i see the problem in firefox again
[22:58] <charlie-tca> I think firefox is the reason we default to slight hinting. 
[22:58] <knome> the problem is there with firefox and slight hinting too :)
[23:05] <knome> i like the panel on bottom. it's a very good guide on what apps to remove :P
[23:05] <knome> (on eeepc)
[23:11] <charlie-tca> Okay, I am going rest for a bit
[23:12] <knome> i should too
[23:12] <knome> meeting in <13 hours
[23:12] <knome> err
[23:13] <knome> <11 hours
[23:13] <knome> see you tomorrow
[23:13] <Unit193> Less than 1 for me, adios
[23:13] <knome> heh :)
[23:45] <Olbi> I have strange problems on Live 11.10, when I trying to connect with wi-fi I see it, type right pass but system doesnt want to connect it, it refuse and want again type right password
[23:45] <Olbi> it is weird :/