[03:11] <rudollf> Hi all, tell me how to set a theme in Xubuntu???
[05:15] <dox> ...
[06:49] <Vermicelli> Howdy. Would someone spare a moment to help me with an installation hitch, to a brand new sata?
[06:51] <Vermicelli> Bios sees both the new sata and an old ide (set with the ide not even in the boot order), but the xubuntu install disk only sees the ide. On the livecd, fdisk -l matches.
[07:32] <nico__> is anyone available to help me
[07:33] <knome> !ask | nico__
[07:35] <nico__> ok, sorry! I had restarted my ubuntu system earlier and haven't been able to boot it back up since. it isn't an issue with my GRUB menu, but some sort of error in the filesystem. it doesn't say much other than pam critical error after loading for about 15minutes. would anyone know what this issue could be caused by?
[13:24] <Guest34331> why I can't use the midbutton on IBM?
[13:25] <WUGUI> ?
[15:47] <Mitch> hi
[15:47] <fl3x> ;3
[15:47] <fl3xiin> ;0
[15:57] <Guest98629> ciao a tutti sono nuovo nel mondo di ubuntu spero di capire come funziona
[15:57] <Pici> !it
[15:58] <Guest98629> mille grazie salve!!
[18:19] <aboudreault> hi, anyone tried xubuntu oneiric beta2?
[18:19] <aboudreault> should I wait the official release?
[18:21] <aboudreault> arf... I think I will install xubuntu natty.. would be safer. unless there is something very exciting in oneiric?
[18:22] <knome> aboudreault, probably safer to go with natty, and upgrade in a few days
[18:22] <aboudreault> ok
[18:23] <aboudreault> hmm, next question.. my home is currently encrypted.
[18:23] <aboudreault> I don' t want to touch to the home partition... next time I haven' t been ask for any password.
[19:25] <xubuntu722> sqlut
[20:17] <ssargennto> My sound was just working an hour ago.. I go to load up again and now no sound.. I reboot and no sound through firefox, clementine, or anything else.. any ideas what it could be?
[20:18] <ssargennto> oops.. meant to load up a game
[20:18] <Myrtti> have you checked the volume levels in something like alsamixer?
[20:20] <jay__> hi all, I have a problem where xfdesktop crashes I THINK even though it is still running, either way, when i log in i just get a blue screen, any ideas?/ any help? thanks
[20:20] <ssargennto> Myrtti: yeah i have... correct volume levels are up
[20:20] <jay__> its a fxdesktop issue
[20:23] <ElderDryas> jay__: Have you turned on GNOME Services in the Advanced tab in Sessions and startup?  That will drop a blue screen (not of death) over my desktop
[20:24] <ElderDryas> But it's a pretty blue :)
[20:30] <charlie-tca> All I get with GNOME services checked is Onboard keyboard starting at login :)
[20:31] <jay__> yes i have, but it didnt initially cause a blue screen, i killed and restarted xfdesktop and it solves it, but after i log in, its back to the bluescreen, and onscreen keyboard, im using 11.10 beta 2 if that helps
[20:31] <ElderDryas> Weel, as we all know XFCE would NEVER think of upsetting you charlie-tca :)
[20:32] <charlie-tca> These are all the same bug in GNOME services. Let me find what to file it against.
[20:32] <charlie-tca> jay__: if GNOME Services is not checked, does the desktop start correctly?
[20:33] <ElderDryas> Actually I thin I saw the Onboard Keyboard on login...before I deleted it from my system
[20:34] <jay__> with it checked i used to only get the keyboard, which i have since got rid off, everything was fine, but now for whatever reason i have to kill and restart xfdesktop, should i try unchecking and restarting now?
[20:36] <charlie-tca> please do
[20:36] <charlie-tca> let's find out if that is causing the desktop not to start.
[20:39] <charlie-tca> ElderDryas: can you open a terminal and type     apt-cache policy nautilus
[20:39] <charlie-tca> tell me if it shows anything 'installed:'
[20:39] <ElderDryas> hmmm...just checked it and relogedin and...wait for it...NO blue screen
[20:40] <ElderDryas> charlie-tca: yes and no...tried iot and Installed:  (none)
[20:40] <charlie-tca> That's good then
[20:40] <charlie-tca> ElderDryas: do you have a launchpad account already?
[20:41] <ElderDryas> yeah, but I wrong...againwas sure it was related to GNOME Services...but I was evedently
[20:41] <charlie-tca> never mind.
[20:41] <ElderDryas> yes
[20:41] <charlie-tca> Onboard is related to it, I will file a bug against it
[20:42] <charlie-tca> ElderDryas: so you get the blue background with Gnome Services unchecked?
[20:42] <charlie-tca> you got something not starting
[20:42] <ElderDryas> No, checked (or so I thought)
[20:43] <charlie-tca> probably got xfsettingsd or xfwm4 not starting
[20:43] <ElderDryas> I;m going to try a few logins with it checked...back in a few
[20:45] <charlie-tca> jay__: you still here?
[20:45] <charlie-tca> I will ask you to comment on the bug when I get it filed, please
[20:47] <jay__> hey still here, ran apt-cache and it says Installed: 1:3.2.0-0ubuntu5
[20:47] <ElderDryas> charlie-tca: Can't reproduce it now.  I tried at least 4 times the other day and it was consistent...GNOME Services check=blue screen, not checked=normal screen.  "I'm so confused" :(
[20:48] <charlie-tca> No problem.
[20:48] <charlie-tca> What about onboard?
[20:48] <charlie-tca> jay__: suspect the issue is caused by nautilus, then.
[20:49] <charlie-tca> It tries to take over the desktop, which it does manage in GNOME. In Xfce, we use xfdesktop4 to manage the desktop, but nautilus doesn't want to allow that.
[20:49] <ElderDryas> I remember seeing it right after login a couple of times, but I'm not sure as to GNOME Services or not.  I have since deleted it, you want me to re-install and try?
[20:49] <charlie-tca> nope
[20:50] <charlie-tca> I will file the bug and it will get confirmed by testing this week
[20:50] <charlie-tca> Thanks for your efforts. If it wasn't for you asking yesterday, I would not have tried GNOME Services
[20:50] <ElderDryas> charlie-tca: When I saw the pattern, I had "update-manager -d" the update, today I have used the daily image from yesterday.
[20:51] <charlie-tca> so, might have been leftover from upgrading
[20:52] <ElderDryas> could have been..I think I remeber wondering what nautilus was doing showing up in the window as it updated.
[20:52] <jay__> ok ill uninstall nautilus (why its there at ll i dont know, as its a fresh install) and ill get back
[20:55] <charlie-tca> ElderDryas: didn't you tell me onboard keeps starting even when you uncheck that thing now?
[20:55] <ElderDryas> I don't think so, but they say the memory is the second thing to go....
[20:56] <jay_> guys you rock, got rid of nautilus, and its all cool now :)
[20:56] <charlie-tca> hm, mine seems to have left me
[20:57] <charlie-tca> jay_: Great! glad we could help a little bit
[20:57] <jay_> can i ask how t got there? are there some apps that need it?
[20:58] <ElderDryas> I only saw the Onboard Keyboard the other day, I deleted it this time before turning on GNOME Services for this
[20:58] <charlie-tca> If you installed a bit back, it was installed by mistake
[20:58] <charlie-tca> during the installation
[20:58] <charlie-tca> also, a couple of times, normal oneiric updates installed nautilus for us
[20:58] <ElderDryas> gremlins
[20:59] <charlie-tca> It's been a bit of a battle to keep it out this cycle
[20:59] <charlie-tca> memory... Onboard did not appear when I unchecked GNOME services
[20:59] <jay_> fair enough, as you can guess im new xfce, jumped ship because of unity/gnome 3, and i have to say i love it so far, i wish i had installed a release or two back
[21:00] <charlie-tca> Welcome aboard
[21:00] <charlie-tca> It does take some getting used to, and the configurations are a bit different
[21:01] <jay_> just a bit, but it feels honestly better (and snappier)
[21:01] <ElderDryas> jay_: I have tried almost every (non-trivial) distro that has xfce in the upper half of Distrowatch, and keep comming back.  Xubuntu has been the standard...there are some distros that might be there in another cycle or two, but nothing to compare to it right now.
[21:02] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu has been the front runner for Xfce from the first Xubuntu release
[21:02] <jay_> i think you might be right elderryas ,one more silly question if you have time, is there a way to disable the shut down confirmation?
[21:02] <ElderDryas> yes
[21:03] <jay_> ......and? :)
[21:03] <ElderDryas> Session/Startup>General> Prompt on logout
[21:03] <ElderDryas> Had to look :)
[21:04] <jay_> mine is unchecked already though? guess its in reverse :)
[21:05] <charlie-tca> uncheck it to not be prompted on logout?
[21:05] <charlie-tca> oh, I see.
[21:06] <charlie-tca> jay_: peculiarities of Xfce, you might find you have to check it, logout, then uncheck it again to make it work
[21:07] <jay_> ha ha ok cool :)
[21:07] <jay_> charlie and elder you guys have been a massive help, thanks so much
[21:08] <well_laid_lawn> !tab
[21:09] <jay_> tab! i will remember that :)
[21:09] <well_laid_lawn> :)
[21:10] <jay_> does anyone know if the lightdm screen that is there at the minute is the final for 11.10, or is mine the only ugly one?
[21:10] <ElderDryas> dunno, I have autologin
[21:11] <charlie-tca> it's final
[21:11] <charlie-tca> what you mean, ugly? should match the desktop wallpaper
[21:12] <ElderDryas> It did, and was still ugly...greyish, IIRC
[21:12] <charlie-tca> You should see the splash screen, the lightdm screen, and the wallpaper are all the same
[21:12] <jay_> no it does match, and is really a pretty cool one at that, but the dialog is an unthemed grey box, i assumed it should/would look like ubuntus?
[21:12] <charlie-tca> ElderDryas: nvidia video?
[21:13] <ElderDryas> charlie-tca: yes, but I remember now, it was the ubuntu left-side login because of the update-manager last week
[21:13] <jay_> nope, intel onboard, the ubuntu one is fine, i thought maybe thexubuntu one was yet to update?
[21:14] <charlie-tca> oh, yeah, you got the unity image
[21:14] <charlie-tca> jay_: I don't know why it is grey then. Sounds like a video card doing it, though.
[21:15] <ElderDryas> charlie-tca:  So I took your advice, waited 'till Monday and grabbed the daily
[21:15] <charlie-tca> heh, and we just got good images a couple of hours ago. but the bugs been fixed, so you should be good
[21:16] <jay_> weird, there is a lightdm customize app floating around webupd8.org, worth a try maybe?
[21:16] <ElderDryas> charlie-tca: could have been, enabled autologin during the same boot cycle as grabbing the nvidia driver
[21:16] <charlie-tca> jay_: is it lightdm-config manager or something ?
[21:17] <ElderDryas> I'll wait till the 13th, just update my system, and burn the final image to my USB revocery stick
[21:18] <charlie-tca> As long as you run "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" you do not need to reinstall. It will be equivalent already
[21:18] <levartemit> evening guys. Small question: does the xubuntu iso also include a "live disc"?
[21:18] <jay_> yeah a lightdm config manager, lets you chamge the bacjground, and I THINK the theme too, not sure
[21:18] <charlie-tca> levartemit: yes, it is called the desktop cd
[21:18] <levartemit> great :)
[21:18] <ElderDryas> If I have to install on the 10th AND the 13th, I'll be very "unhappy" (seeing as this is a family friendly channel)
[21:19] <charlie-tca> jay_: it is approved too, will be added for Precise, the next development release
[21:19] <jay_> awesome :)
[21:19] <charlie-tca> ElderDryas: I wouldn't do that. I installed this one about Alpha1, and just keep it updated
[21:21]  * charlie-tca thinks it is good when he gets one right finally
[21:27]  * ElderDryas thought that with 10.04
[21:27] <jay_> last question, will adding compiz to autostart take care of business or are there more steps in xubuntu?
[21:29] <charlie-tca> more
[21:29] <charlie-tca> jay_: to run compiz, you have to replace xfwm4, since they are both window managers
[21:29] <charlie-tca> so, after installing compiz, you run     compiz --replace       in a terminal, which makes it take over the window manager job
[21:30] <charlie-tca> Then it should work if you save the session on logging out
[21:31] <charlie-tca> To get rid of it, you would run     xfwm4 --replace      first, to allow xfwm to manage the windows again
[21:31] <nasredim> somebody knows how to enable shutdown and reboot buttons?
[21:31] <jay_> compiz --replace, ok got it, ill make a note of the commands incase, cheers Charlie-tca
[21:32] <charlie-tca> nasredim: menu -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> Session and Startup, General tab, check Prompt on logout?
[21:33] <nasredim> charlie-tca, yep, but they didnt work
[21:33] <charlie-tca> You did reboot after checking it, right?
[21:34] <charlie-tca> it should work the second logout, not the first one after checking it
[21:34] <nasredim> charlie-tca, yes
[21:34] <charlie-tca> hm, on a network?
[21:34] <nasredim> charlie-tca, the problem is the buttons doesnt work they just logout but they dont shut down or restart
[21:35] <charlie-tca> um, using Xubuntu 11.04?
[21:35] <charlie-tca> known bug
[21:35] <charlie-tca> no fix yet
[21:35] <nasredim> charlie-tca, yes i found out that but somebody knos how to fix it?
[21:36] <charlie-tca> No, that's why there is no fix yet
[21:36] <nasredim> charlie-tca, i remember when i used to use arch there was a trick by configuring hal... but here.. i dont know
[21:37] <charlie-tca> hal is obsolete and not used
[21:37] <nasredim> charlie-tca, so what do they use?
[21:37] <charlie-tca> dbus
[21:37] <charlie-tca> dbus and udev replaced hal
[21:38] <xubuntu514> salut
[21:38] <charlie-tca> !hi | xubuntu514
[21:39] <xubuntu514> speak french ?
[21:39] <charlie-tca> No sorry. however, the french ubuntu channel can usually help with it
[21:39] <charlie-tca> !fr
[21:40] <nasredim> charlie-tca, well i have to learn how to live with this bug xD
[21:41] <charlie-tca> It gets better in Xubuntu 11.10
[21:41] <charlie-tca> which comes out Thursday
[21:42]  * ElderDryas is taking bets on how long it takes the servers to get swamped after release :)
[21:42] <charlie-tca> within minutes, usually
[21:43] <charlie-tca> and now, back to verifying my release notes and testing these final images
[21:44] <ElderDryas> Last Release as Head? Vacation time?
[21:44] <jay_> charlie-tca, just realised why its not bundled with this release, its trying to load adwaita, so is compiz bound to gnome3 now?
[21:45] <nasredim> charlie-tca, is there a way tu pgrade just xfce?
[21:45] <charlie-tca> jay_: It might be. I don't know for sure
[21:45] <charlie-tca> ElderDryas: remains to be seen what will happen yet
[21:46] <ElderDryas> No one wants the job, huh?
[21:46] <charlie-tca> nasredim: no, not without compiling it for 11.04
[21:46] <charlie-tca> ElderDryas: :)
[21:46] <nasredim> charlie-tca, so this means i have to upgrade the whole distribution¡?
[21:47] <charlie-tca> nasredim: that's the normal way to upgrade, yes
[21:47] <charlie-tca> Why is that a bad thing? it insures all the apps work together with the libraries they need
[21:47] <nasredim> charlie-tca, jajaja i lost to much time gettin the nvidia driver to work
[21:48] <charlie-tca> Might be better to stay at 11.04 then. It is supported until October 2012
[21:49] <nasredim> charlie-tca, yep actually i dont have internet connection at home...
[21:49] <nasredim> charlie-tca, yep actually i dont have internet connection at home...
[21:49] <charlie-tca> You do not have to upgrade.
[21:50] <nasredim> charlie-tca, and i just use my box to listen to music watch the walkin dead xD
[22:15] <RichardNode> Hey everyone, does anyone know if xubuntu 11.10 will ship with ubuntu on the 13th?
[22:21] <RichardNode> Well, if  nobody knows =)  I guess i'll just say i'm excited, Xubuntu feels so much better than unity
[22:22] <knome> yes, the release is on the same day
[22:26] <zus> is new xubuntu releasing on the  13th?
[22:26] <charlie-tca> yes
[22:26] <zus> hi charlie-tca  :) how ya doing
[22:27] <charlie-tca> going strong, I hope
[22:28] <zus> i have been playing with E17, i like
[22:29] <Unit193> This is called a tab fail, it can be funny ;)
[22:35] <zus> is there any last minute fixes or is it at this point waiting  2 days for release?
[22:36] <charlie-tca> remains to be seen. We have all night to break it
[22:37] <zus> lol
[22:37] <knome> Unit193, well fortunately there was no tab fail on the topic.
[22:41] <zus> is there a minimal xubuntu net-iso?
[22:41] <charlie-tca> If I say yes, you gonna know where?
[22:41] <knome> zus, the minimal cd is for all ubuntu flavors, since it doesn't install any DE by default
[22:41] <charlie-tca> If I say yes, you gonna want to know where it is, right?
[22:42] <zus> charlie-tca,  probaly not since i had to ask. :)
[22:42] <charlie-tca> I can't remember where to find it :(
[22:42] <knome> !minimal
[22:46] <Guest99973> hey guys got compiz running on 11.10 but the window decoration is awful, i realize thats because i cant use xfwm, i guessed i would have to use emerald but this doesnt exist in the repos, any ideas?
[22:49] <Guest99973> anyone? :(
[22:52] <charlie-tca> emerald is obsolete
[22:53] <Guest99973> hey charlie-tca, yes it is, what i mean is, that is the only thing i could think of to use with compiz, which is now obsolete, and cant use fxwm, so what is the thing to do?
[22:54] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I stay away from compiz
[22:54] <charlie-tca> what effect in compiz are you trying to get?
[22:54] <Guest99973> expose mainly
[22:55] <charlie-tca> What is expose?
[22:56] <charlie-tca> Is it anything you could achieve using xfwm4 and the compositor built into it?
[22:57] <Guest99973> you can pick a corner of the screen, and when you have the mouse in said corner it will show all the windows at once, a bit like the effect on a mac, its handy for lots of windows, can that be done in xfwm4?
[22:58] <charlie-tca> oh, no
[22:58] <charlie-tca> I just use the workspace switcher on the panel for that
[23:00] <Guest99973> totally true, but a bit of desktop candy is nice too :) is it possible to use gtk or metacity on xfce?
[23:00] <Guest99973> as a way to decorate the window i mean?
[23:00] <well_laid_lawn> gtk apps use gtk it has nothing to do with xfce
[23:01] <charlie-tca> yes, it should be possible.
[23:01] <Guest99973> well_laid_lawn, true i know, i mean to just decorate the window to use with compiz
[23:01] <charlie-tca> Xfce already uses gtk, that's why we have themes in both appearance and window manager
[23:01] <charlie-tca> window manager is xfwm, and appearance is GTK themes
[23:02] <Guest99973> sorry, thats what i am trying to say, can i use gtk as window manager as xfwm doesnt work with compiz
[23:03] <well_laid_lawn> Guest99973: that's window manager decorations - if you use compiz you set it up with whatever it uses, it used to be emerald
[23:03] <well_laid_lawn> !compiz
[23:07] <Guest99973> ok i think im getting somewhere, i just installed the compiz panel icon, it says that i am already using gtk window decorator, so i guess my problem is how to change the theme, as the xfwm theme changer obviously doesnt apply
[23:08] <Guest99973> its blank
[23:08] <well_laid_lawn> install some themes for it then
[23:08] <charlie-tca> It won't work with compiz
[23:09] <well_laid_lawn> I would have checked the howto...
[23:09] <Guest99973> well_laid_lawn, yes but how to select a gtk theme after i have installed one
[23:11] <well_laid_lawn> Guest99973: I don't use it try in #compiz
[23:11] <Guest99973> ok, thanks anyway
[23:12] <well_laid_lawn> np