[00:03] Johnny_Giggles: maybe. but why dont you use it on a live CD. It will perform better on live CD. [00:04] you're joking... liveCDs experience horrible slowness when accessing the CD [00:07] Johnny_Giggles: then, how about live USB? ;) [00:09] G'day my fellow Oneiric inmates :-) [00:10] I trust all of you are doing well. [00:13] I'm relatively new to Ubuntu and would like ask if anyone is experiencing difficulties with Nautilus and with attempting to install nvidia's latest stable driver 285.05.09 video driver ? [00:15] As far as Nautilus goes when I attempt to select a folder or folder on another partition it nautilus box disappears and at times hangs my track pad completly . [00:16] Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Odd thing is I don't have any of these problems under Natty. [00:22] sandra, wait a month until the bugs are fixed... :) [00:23] johnny_Giggles: Thank you [00:31] what is the dd command to wipe clean a USB stick? [00:37] Does the usb stick need to be formatted before I dd an iso to it? [00:39] pangolin: why dont you use the "USB startup disk creator"? Installed by default on Ubuntu? [00:39] Stanley00: because umm no reason just want to try dd :) === M0hi is now known as IamNotThatGuy [00:40] pangolin: btw, dd if=/path/to/your/file.iso of=/dev/sdX , make sure the "of=" point to your USB, [00:41] Stanley00: and I can leave the USB as unallocated space? [00:42] right now it has no file system [00:42] pangolin: yes, dd will copy "raw" data, so you dont need to do anything with your USB [00:42] ok, cool thanks for the info [00:43] pangolin: yw ;) [01:07] Is it out yet? [01:07] :P [01:07] JK [01:07] Thought I'd get things primed. [01:10] when booting , where it would normally show the boot logo, my monitor says "Out of Range". Is there a way to see what resolution is being used? [01:12] IanWizard-Cloud: #uubntu-release-party [01:13] * #ubuntu-release-party [01:13] Logan_: oh, I thought it was always here. [01:13] I've completely forgotten about over there, thanks Logan_ :) [01:13] No problem. [01:14] I do actually have a relevant question, that I've seen mixed results on. What will be the default DE for desktop in 11.10? [01:15] IanWizard-Cloud: what mixed results have you seen? [01:15] jbicha: Unity, and Gnome 3 [01:15] IanWizard-Cloud: Ubuntu (Unity) and Ubuntu 2D [01:16] ^ which use GNOME 3 apps and libraries, but GNOME Shell is a separate install [01:16] I have enough problems with my system crashing on my laptop anyway though, so I try to avoid the RCs [01:17] So Ubuntu 2D is just a "flatter" :P Unity? [01:17] Sorry if I'm getting too off-topic for this channel. [01:18] IanWizard-Cloud: actually, they are both similar, but 2D is more basic and uses less resources [01:18] GTRsdk: yeah, that's what I meant. [01:18] for the most part, the appearance is very similar [01:19] Ok, thank you all, I look forward to it. [01:19] Great work, and all that. [01:21] Is 11.10 rolled yet? [01:21] Just waiting for all the mirrors or something? [01:22] iszak: there are isos [01:22] GTRsdk, they're deemed the stable final release yeah? [01:22] but the release manager must release the iso to be used [01:23] but I can download it now and install it and that's the final release? [01:23] iszak: not 100% stable, but stable enough for me to use right now [01:23] okay stable probably wasn't the right word, are they the final release? [01:23] no [01:23] it would be as close as you can get right now [01:23] they are probably extrememly close to the final [01:24] they will probably add an update or two to the final [01:24] extremely* [01:24] alright [01:24] there are about 40 hours between now and 11.10 release [01:24] guess I'll have to wait 2 days :P [01:24] yup [01:25] iszak: if you download and install, (in a perfect world) it would act like the final. But there could be some bugs, but you would get the same updates [01:25] well I'll be reinstall completely with wubi [01:27] iszak: wubi doesn't always work as well as a regular install [01:27] yeah I know [01:29] jbicha, what are the downsides again? [01:30] iszak: for wubi or plain 11.10? [01:31] wubi [01:34] hello all [01:35] GTRsdk, ? [01:36] iszak: I don't know much about wubi, so I can't help you there. Sorry. [01:38] iszak: I've heard several stories about upgrades failing & then the user being unable to boot into Windows or Ubuntu [01:39] the scariest part for me is that I don't know of any devs that regularly use wubi so it's not as thoroughly tested [01:41] Anyone here know how I might get Ubuntu on my laptop working? When I dual-boot it (opposed to Windows 7) via GRUB, I only get a blinking cursor. I can access recovery mode (aka a shell), though. [01:46] BlueProtoman: are the latest updates installed? [01:47] GTRsdk: In terms of what, exactly? [01:47] BlueProtoman: everything up to yesterday [01:48] GTRsdk: Not THE latest. Ubuntu 11.04, a modified (official) ISO with some different graphics drivers. [01:48] The MD5 checked out. [01:51] BlueProtoman: I think getting a 11.10 iso would probably be the best [01:52] GTRsdk: But will it be able to run on my weird-ass laptop? It's got dual GPUs, an Intel HD 3000 and a nVidia GeForce 520M. [01:53] BlueProtoman: it probably could since Ubuntu supports a wide variety of hardware [01:54] GTRsdk: Well, I tried the regular 11.04 before, but got nowhere; the installer didn't even run, and the MD5 of the ISO checked out [01:55] BlueProtoman: I think trying 11.10 and 10.04 would be best. [01:55] Why, were there driver regressions from 10.04? [01:55] As for 11.10, what changes does that make which might affect my situation? [01:57] GTRsdk? [01:57] BlueProtoman: Linux Kernel 3.0 and GNOME 3.1.92 (I think) [01:57] And that's in 11.10. OK, when does that come out? [01:58] less than 40 hours from now [02:00] Hrm. [02:00] I really wanted to get Ubuntu on my new laptop ASAP. :/ [02:00] No one seems to be helpful. === ryanakca is now known as Guest66690 [02:17] http://linux-hybrid-graphics.blogspot.com/ [02:17] google for the win [02:19] and you dont have a weird laptop [02:20] all core i's have an integrated gpu on the cpu die [02:20] so if you have a core i series laptop that has a dedicated chip [02:20] then you have dual graphics [02:21] blah [02:21] he left lol [02:21] thats still killer linux for the win [02:27] what is the hybrid graphics? [02:27] looks like running an onboard gpu that is on the cpu to work in concert with a decated gpu [03:04] hello all [03:04] Hello D_Russ :-) [03:05] hi, snadra [03:05] anyone using 11.10 as there primary? [03:06] Would love to use Oneiric as my prmary but unfortunately it's not ready for prime time on my HP-HDX-18-Notebook [03:06] D_Russ: that would be offtopic, but I am. [03:07] how is it working out GTRsdk? more stable than 11.04? [03:07] I think it is more stable [03:07] ohh ok so whatst the offtopic chanell [03:08] offtopic: #ubuntu-offtopic [03:08] is it any faster [03:09] D_Russ: it's not any faster then Natty when approaching it from day to day use for me. [03:09] What gcc and clang version are in 11.10? [03:09] 11.04 is 4.5.2 and 2.8 [03:12] gcc: Installed: 4:4.6.1-2ubuntu5 [03:12] clang: 2.9-11ubuntu1 [03:28] lol brb Oneiric choked on me again have to reboot [03:30] !screenshot | D_Russ [03:30] D_Russ: Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://imagebin.org/?page=add and post a link to it. [03:45] did anybody lose their sound card with the recent kernel update? [03:50] jordan_U, http://imagebin.org/178600 [03:54] D_Russ: Is it only with text that you see particular issues? Have you tried changing the font rendering preferences (System Settings > Appearance > Fonts tab). [03:55] thats in inkscape [03:55] a custom font that i downloaded from the web [03:55] thats where i notice the jaggies most [03:56] mainly with fonts or when i am moving widows with wobble effects enables [03:56] enabled [03:57] D_Russ: I don't think anti-ailiasing is enabled with compiz by default as it would be too GPU intensive, but that can be changed. [03:58] will it slow me down? i have l earned to live with it [03:59] D_Russ: It depends on your graphics card and how many other apps you generally have that use OpenGL. [03:59] i see [04:00] how do i enable it. would like to give it a try. [05:36] i heard that synaptic is absent in 11.10. is it true? === GirlyGirl is now known as Guest82250 [05:45] why all silent? [05:45] because it's sleep time for many, and your question got answered in #ubuntu-offtopic already [05:45] sleep time? [05:46] its only sleep time in the west, i'm from the east [05:46] hence me saying "many" and not "everywhere on the planet" [05:57] hi I hav updated ubuntu 11.10 beta and my ubuntu wont start [05:58] the boot screen shows messages and it stops at alsa ++ emulating something [05:59] I've managed to login by pressing contol+alt+f2 and logged in as root [05:59] killed the process lightdm and started it again [05:59] but even then it took more time to boot than earlier === Guest82250 is now known as Girly-Girl [05:59] plz help [06:00] phanindra: I think a daily CD would probably be better than upgrading [06:00] oh bt how can i recover my data now I dont want to re-install [06:01] bt I can if there's no other option [06:01] phanindra: did you have encryption enabled? [06:01] yes [06:02] phanindra: that complicates things. Did you have the encryption key saved so you can decrypt it? [06:02] phanindra: If you have access to tty, you can copy the files using "cp" [06:02] yes [06:03] ya I can do that but is there any other way to recover my ubuntu [06:04] Did something change about encryption? I almost always use encrypted filesystems and so I wonder if I should be concerned here. [06:07] Severian: encrypted filesystems make retrieving your files a much more complicated process, and even impossible if you do not save the key [06:08] true, kind of. I remember my pass phrase. That is all you really need. [06:09] shud i report this as a bug? === rww changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Discussion and support for Ubuntu Oneiric Ocelot | This channel is not a replacement for logging bugs | Release schedule: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | Beta 2 released: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview/Beta2 | See #ubuntu-release-party for 11.10 release festivities :D === Girly-Girl is now known as GirlyGirl [06:58] has there really been no updates for the last 5 days? [07:16] vega-: yea it because of the final release [07:28] vega-: There have been but not much [07:39] Just installed Ubuntu 11.10 and it won't boot.. is there a way to fix this? [07:41] nico_, you couldn't wait 1 day ? XD [07:41] upgraded from 11.04? [07:41] Chotaz: current repo state = final so quite irrelevant wether press releases are out or not :P [07:41] I couldn't :( [07:42] I did a fresh install of it [07:42] th_, thanks for the head up, I had no idea, and you just made my statement irrelevant xD [07:42] I want to get it working asap [07:43] sick of natty [07:43] what's the problem, exactly? "won't boot" is as useful as "my car doesn't start what's wrong" =P [07:43] any errors? [07:44] I start my system, and it doesn't do anything [07:44] black screen [07:44] make sure the battery is charged [07:44] i ran fsck [07:44] so you won't get even terminal? [07:44] an it still isn't loading [07:44] how did you run fsck if it wont boot? [07:44] am i able to get to terminal without loading the system? [07:44] i went to recovery [07:45] so it gets to grub then [07:45] for starters you could check if it's X that's not starting, let it "boot" with blank screen and try if ctrl-alt-f5 gets you to terminal [07:45] yes I get grub fine [07:45] try ^ that first [07:46] once i get to terminal what are my options [07:46] th_: Current repo state ... depends the kubuntu team will be upgrading all kde packages to a new version just before release [07:47] nico_: well, for starters that'll rule out other problems [07:47] nico_: check first if it's X or not [07:47] checking 'dmesg' for errors and /var/X11/error.log or somesuch could help [07:48] nico_: If you can boot in try "sudo apt-get install -f" [07:48] alright, i'll try this stuff now [07:58] damn i knew i should not have installed xfce [07:58] now folders open with thunar under unity [07:59] that's even after i removed xfce4 and did an autoremove [07:59] ali1234: file a bug? wfm with nautilus [08:00] i'm going to have to file two [08:03] back, i am able to load terminal [08:03] i tried sudo apt-get install -f and it didn't work [08:03] something about a read only file system [08:05] x wont load [08:09] Hello. I want to playback an Audio CD. Can someone help me? I inserted it and now I got a new icon in the Unity bar. What to do to play it now? [08:11] Anyone else having issues with 11.10 not loading properly? [08:12] When I click on the Audio CD icon nautilus file browser opens. [08:13] Then? Should I open Banshee? [08:15] Ok, I did it. Banshee doesn't play it. Anyone successfully tried playing an Audio CD? [08:22] alright.. unity/compiz have now crashed three times during last few hours [08:22] looking good for final release! [08:22] sigh [08:26] at least you're able to get it running [08:26] I can't even get a login screen [08:27] well things were getting too stable so it was time to rewrite all the desktop libs [08:27] =P [08:27] like nux or whatever the new toolkit for unity is [08:29] this have been more or less stable for me with 11.10 anyway, thankfully [08:29] =P [08:45] Ok, maybe playing an Audio CD is too much ... Let's try a DVD ... [08:47] I inserted a DVD now. What is supposed to happen? [08:51] Hi folks. Got a weird one in my Oneiric (upgraded from 11.04 this morning), on two different machines (netbook and desktop): Terminal is constantly spewing "ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so' from /etc/ld.so.preload cannot be preloaded: ignored." I've googled it but only found reports of this happening when Skype or Cheese is loaded - and Cheese is working fine, if a bit choppy. Any known bugs? [08:52] holybladder: Graphic releated problem it seems [08:53] But is the system usable? [08:54] It is, but seems slow even accounting for the upgrade, wondering if this constant screaming from the error is slowing things down - it seems to be happening constantly somewhere, anything I do on the command line from "ls" to a package install brings at least one of them and usually more [08:55] sudo apt-get remove libv4l [08:55] :p [08:55] Hehe...good thought. Guess I can always reinstall it afterwards if it pooches my webcam apps, see if that fixes it... [08:59] touchpad-indicator doesn't work properly on oneiric (release candidate) [09:03] holybladder: For me on fresh install on Kubuntu ... after installing ubuntu-desktop I find gtk3 stuff really slow ... kde 4.7 however is very fast [09:03] I'll check for the same error [09:04] hmm no bt I do get different errors [09:15] I inserted a video DVD, clicked on the icon, nautilus opened. Then I clicked on "open video player". Now I got a message dialog that says something like "missing plugin to playback". Playing back with vlc did work. What di I need to install to make the video player (what's its name) work? [09:16] The video player seems to be totem, the dialog is a python process "gstreamer-codec-install" [09:18] I changed the default application for DVDs to "vlc". But when I click on the icon it's still totem opening complaining about missing plugins. [09:19] * vlt wonders who would ever be able to use an Ubuntu system. [09:19] I use several Ubuntu systems every day, vlt. [09:20] Severian: Did you try to playback an audio CD yet? [09:20] No, I always rip them to ogg files and play those. [09:21] Severian: When I click on one of the ogg files in the examples folder Banshee opens and starts to play. How to stop the music? [09:21] Unplug the speakers? [09:21] built-in [09:22] Banshee is popular, but I don't like it. I like simpler programs like vlc. I tell nautilus to use vlc to play music. [09:22] Banshee must have a control to stop playing, though. [09:23] Severian: I told nautilus to open DVDs with vlc but it still uses totem. [09:23] When I press it nothing happens. [09:23] right click on the dvd icon and say open with vlc. [09:24] I don't have a machine handy with a dvd drive or I would be more specific. [09:24] GirlyGirl: th_: Thanks guys, got it nailed down. In case anyone else has the same problem (seems possible since I had it on two systems), it turns out libv4l has been moved from /usr/lib to /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu, obviously a pointer hasn't been updated somewhere. I softlinked it back up and the error went away. System definitely seems a little faster now. [09:24] Severian: right click only offers "eject" [09:26] vlt. as I said above, I don't have a machine with a DVD drive running at the moment. So, I can't tell you much more. [09:28] I am doing some fresh build of machines for charity and they only have CD drives. I have my own DVD systems put away for a couple of days to make room. Sorry. [09:28] hmmm ... release date is tomorrow? [09:28] So, the calendar says. [09:29] hi [09:31] Now I tried to copy a CD. I opened brasero and chose "copy cd/dvd". Now I got an error message: "not all needed apps and libs installed, please manually install 'toc2cue' and 'cdrdao'". [09:32] I installed cdrdao but there's no toc2cue in apt. [09:32] Again: Who is supposed to use this? [09:33] cdrdao should provide it, I believe [09:34] After installing cdrdao I still got an error message like "binary not found". I clicked OK and now it seems as if the image is created. [09:36] If you run brasero from a terminal prompt, you may be able to look there and get a better error message. But, it seems you accomplished your goal. [09:39] vlt, I suggest you install k3b. It is a much better cd/dvd burning program. [09:39] Severian: I want to know whether Ubuntu is usable for people like my mother. So I installed 11.10 to see whether it works. I experienced so many problems by now, I don't think Ubuntu is ready. [09:41] vlt: you are using a beta and are angrsy because there are problems? [09:41] vlt: are you sure 11.10 is the correct one for you? [09:41] The systems I am setting up today are going to people with very little or no computer experience. I give them a couple of hours of basic training and they do fine. I am still using Natty for them and I have it boot into Gnome. I can give you my setup info, if you want it. [09:41] iceroot: I checked 11.04 before and wanted to see if it got better in 11.10. [09:42] iceroot: When will all these problems be fixed when release date is tomorrow? [09:43] Does anyone else have weird sound problems in skype? About 3/4 of my sound just gets chopped off. [09:43] vlt: no [09:43] vlt: beacuse of that, dont use a new release at the release-date [09:43] vlt: if you want a stbale-system use 10.04 [09:44] ...I've tried with audacity and it's clearly with skype, not with microphone/recording in general [09:44] vlt: if you are facing problems, create bugs (if there are no bugs about that issue) [09:45] vlt: Please file a bug report then to help fix it [09:45] iceroot, GirlyGirl: I filed a bunch of reports yesterday. [09:45] vlt: good [09:45] vlt: If you want to "try" the final candidate iso in testing http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/all [09:46] vlt: but its hart to fix all your reports until tomorrow [09:46] vlt: but reporting a bug is always the best idea when facing problems [09:46] Where are people from in here then? [09:46] England for me [09:46] wrong channel [09:46] GirlyGirl: Is this different from the version I'm running now (that says it's up to date)? [09:46] Dallas, Texas, here [09:47] vlt: no [09:47] vlt: its the same version [09:47] vlt: not really but you can help test it .. if you find a major issue and link a bug there it will be fixed by release [09:49] Severian: England [09:50] hey, I just added a patch for launchpad problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/810093 . Should I change to "in progress"? and what should I do to get it in 11.10 kernel? [09:50] Ubuntu bug 810093 in linux (Ubuntu) "The new (2.6.39+) samsung_laptop kernel module causes serious backlight flickering - makes the desktop unusable" [Undecided,Confirmed] [09:50] flexxxv: no, just add the tag "patch" [09:51] flexxxv: i can do it also for you if you dont know how to do [09:51] i think I can do it [09:52] so tag patch is added. now all I can do is wait? [09:52] flexxxv: let me have a look [09:53] flexxxv: that is not a correct patchfile [09:54] flexxxv: just the diff is needed (best to create with "diff -u") also its always a good idea to name the person which was creating the patch [09:54] I named the person [09:54] flexxxv: i would suggest to remove the mail-text from the patch, just post the real patch there [09:56] so i should create a diff between original samsung-laptop.c and my patched samsung-laptop.c and add this to launchpad? [09:56] flexxxv: correct [09:56] how about the other patches at http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/gregkh/patches.git;a=tree ? They sound pretty usefull [09:56] flexxxv: use "diff -u old-file new-file = my-patch"" [09:57] flexxxv: are they for the reported issue in launchpad? [09:57] no [09:57] flexxxv: then dont put them to that bug-report [09:58] ok [09:58] i'll try this [09:58] wait a second ;) [09:59] flexxxv: very usefull is also #ubuntu-bugs which is a better place for something like that and general patch-questions [09:59] Hi all I have been using 11.10 for a mouth or so now and have found that it to be fantastic, so thank you all for you great work! [09:59] thx [10:00] I was also over the moon to find that the noise cancellation on my internal laptop mic was finely working and my voice sounded crystal clear! [10:04] flexxxv, :-) and thank you really I mean it I am so grateful and wish I could do more to support the open source community, but I can't code myself out of a wet paper bag and I don't have capital. [10:04] love: the best support is to use the software and give feedback (bugs) on launchpad [10:05] love: I just applied a patch done by Greg Kroah-Hartman so thank him ;) [10:05] love: also there are always people needed for translation [10:06] It just that after a few weeks and a few updates 11.10 becomes unusable and I have to go back to 11.04 and then I can't use my internal mic any more for things like Skype [10:06] Cool [10:12] iceroot: I just created and added the patch. would you like to take a shot look at it? [10:14] like ntfs on a ssd drive? [10:16] flexxxv: sure [10:17] flexxxv: i dont know if the patch itself is ok but the steps doing in launchpad are ok [10:18] ok thx I think the patch should be right. I just used my modified samsung-laptop.c and a original file from linux source archive [10:18] so now it is waiting time? [10:19] flexxxv: correct [10:19] flexxxv: there should be a bot coming which is saying "because of the tag "patch" this bug will get a review soon" [10:19] iceroot: thx for help [10:20] flexxxv: you are welcome === m4yer_zZz is now known as m4yer [10:31] I think opensource software promotes love and well-being between all humans [10:33] Say if I run 11.10 beta 2 but uncheck the backports from the updates is there a better chance that it wont go bad on me? [10:35] love: I think there won't be any backports until realease [10:36] love: backports are ports of software from the next release (which doesn't exists yet) [10:37] flexxxv, cool so it is the normal updates that are braking things for me [10:38] flexxxv, cool thanks for clearing that up for me, I don't think that I fully understood what what they are until now [10:39] So it I enable backports in 11.04 I might get what I am looking for? [10:40] How about pre-released? is it a good idea to have that enabled? [10:42] love: You might, but take a look at http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty-backports/allpackages [10:42] I just did it and got nothing [10:43] there are only very few packges backportet. what do you mean with you got nothing? [10:44] I got no new packages after checking the back ports option then running "sudo apt-get update -f" and then the same but with upgrade [10:46] love: this means all packages are up to date :D I already told you that there are only a very few packages backported. the list is at this link: http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty-backports/allpackages [10:47] Say I have been wondering for a while why sometimes when I run upgrade from the terminal I get nothing but when I run the Ubuntu GUI update manager I get some packages? [10:47] flexxxv, yeah thanks I was having a look at that list [10:48] I think I am just going to install 11.10 again [10:48] love: ubuntu gui also tries dist-upgrade but normally you should get all updates over cli [10:48] And hope for the best [10:50] Yar thanks for that reply, it is a real misty to me, it has only happened a few times and I have seen other people report the same thing [10:51] love: you mentioned sound problems with skype... what kind did you have? [10:53] Lynoure, It is not an issue with Skpye but more an issue with the noise cancelling of the audio driver my laptops internal microphone [10:53] And it is an issue with 11.04 but fixed in 11.10 [10:53] love: ah, not then same as I have... mine eats sounds. just chops off some of it. [10:54] I was so happy when I realised this, but 11.10 keeps braking really bad after updates at the moment so I am not sure what to do [10:55] Lynoure, Ooo that doesn't sound like much fun [11:01] love: well, on the upside might be something that gets me to move off Skype to real SIP :) [11:01] Yes I wish not to use Skype any more also [11:02] In the fist place it is all closed source [11:02] And secondly it now has new owners that I would prefer to have nothing to do with if at all possible [11:04] to upgrade to 11.10 i need to change my repository? or only do `update-manager -d` ? [11:04] I wish there was an open-source client that could connect with Skype like with other messaging software [11:05] But I know that that is not possible because of the whole closed source mentality [11:06] Damn it closed source sucks! [11:06] Is beta 2 the last beta for 11.10? [11:06] love: for messaging there is, but you need skype installed afaik [11:07] (skype has a messaging api) [11:07] love: you can use kopete as skype front end, but then it's just a frontend. [11:07] if apple would've bought skype, everyone would be totally fab about it, yes? [11:07] vsync_: offtopic, but no. [11:07] jussi, cool but I am more thinking for voice [11:07] love: there is also open skype project but I don't konw what's the state of it. [11:08] love there's an rc out I think [11:08] hi all [11:08] Lynoure, well at lest that that is something (the front end that is) [11:09] vsync_, you are exiting me! [11:09] love: and other voice-over-ip things are worth trying, if your conversation partners are not somehow married to skype. [11:09] vsync_: no there isn't an rc [11:10] every morning I boot my desktop PC with Ubuntu 11.10 it, some way, locks on boot... I can wait for minutes but nothing happens and the disks are not writing anything.... I always have to CTRL+ALT+CANC to reboot it. The second boot always goes fine. How can I understand what happens if the screen is black? (or better... is violet, Ubuntu violet) [11:10] siouX_: update-manager -d or do-release-upgrade -d will do [11:10] vega-, Oh well it was nice to fell some hope even thought it was fleeting [11:10] Andy80: same problem here, once on a while [11:10] overall, oneiric quality just sucks [11:11] vsync_, Apple are also a closed source based company [11:11] vega- there is [11:12] Lynoure, Yes would love to but it's that old thing were I am talking to people running Windows and OS 10 and they want to just use Skype [11:12] love: buy a n900 [11:12] you won't even know you are using skype [11:12] best feature of that phone [11:13] don't bother with linux desktop skype, it's useless [11:13] The idea of installing another piece of software to do the same thing just dosen't make scenes to them [11:13] once more I strongly agree with that person that proposed a monthly release... actually software is release buggy to fit the next release and not when it's ready. Developers don't want to wait other 6 months to have their features included.... with a monthly release if it's not ready in 6 months it could be in 7 or 8. But this is another story... [11:13] ali1234: actually worked fine for me about 2 weeks back :) [11:13] use " Ekiga " instead of Skype, and Gnu Call is coming. [11:14] ali1234: or an N9 ;) [11:14] i dunno if N9 has skype or not [11:14] ali1234, nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo not symbian! please! [11:14] but if it does and it works as well as the N900, and you can find somewhere that actually sells them, then sure, get a N9 [11:14] love: *facepalm* [11:15] Oh sorry [11:17] That was my only Nokia experience resonantly and it left me wondering what on earth they were trying to achieve [11:18] I suspect my skype sound problems are somehow pulseaudio related. Will have to try with killed respawn-blocked pulseaudio when I get back home. [11:18] Anyway I just wanted the noise cancelling to work for my internal microphone in Ubuntu [11:19]