[00:12] mhall119: Awesome ;) [00:23] Wow... I get like 3 e-mails a month of people asking if attending a loco event would be suitable for them since they are not programmers etc [00:23] =o [00:24] People don't understand that LoCo's are about Community :D [00:27] bkerensa: we get folks that aren't even all that info computers [00:28] =o [01:01] * akgraner is pondering the moral "Familiarity Breeds Contempt" [01:03] and has to admit there are times when I have to fight this - where is jono when I need to apologize to him... [01:14] in London [01:15] either drinking or sleeping at this time of night [01:15] with a small possibility that he's doing both [01:16] mhall119, I knew that I was just thinking aloud :-) but thank you... [01:16] hey [01:16] anyone doing anything? [01:16] I have tool porn! [01:17] ok that came out wrong [01:17] hahahahahahahahaha [01:17] https://trello.com/board/community-team/4e6febfb247e35000000aab1 [01:17] gosh I needed to laugh - thanks jcastro [01:17] amber [01:17] let's use this [01:17] as a community pin up board. [01:17] oh sweet [01:17] yes [01:17] add your stuff [01:17] so I need to sign in to use it [01:17] and assign people, etc. [01:17] yeah, I just use my google account [01:18] k [01:18] but whatever, add stuff [01:18] one sec [01:18] let's try it! [01:19] jcastro, I'm logged in === jcastro changed the topic of #ubuntu-community-team to: "Work Items: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-community.html || Community Trello: http://goo.gl/n4or5 (experiment) || Things to work on (in order): OpenWeek, UDS prep, WI's, Blueprints for UDS || dholbach's channel: http://goo.gl/9xNTd || dpm's channel: http://goo.gl/o2IR5" [01:19] ok [01:19] add a few items from your todo list [01:19] and then assign them to yourself [01:20] jcastro: stop showing everyone your porn tool [01:21] mhall119: add a few tasks please [01:21] I want to see if using this doesn't suck [01:23] ok I am just adding random stuff [01:23] but I don't see you [01:23] I just invited you [01:23] oh [01:23] you need to open the Community Team board [01:24] akgraner: also, make an example task [01:24] and assign it to me [01:24] I want to see what happens [01:25] k [01:27] jcastro, I added you to some "doing" items [01:28] oh this may be kinda cool - can you chat in this tool somewhere [01:29] you can leave comments on each card [01:29] I think we would chat in here [01:29] and for each card you can leave a comment, or attach things [01:30] I think the voting is for how important people think each card is? [01:31] I like this [01:31] yeah [01:31] you could have cards and checklist for each project [01:31] RIGHT [01:31] assign people [01:31] and in one glance .... we can see what's going on [01:31] akgraner: let's try to use this for a while, I want to find out if it's useful [01:32] I am investigating email integration [01:32] so those organization wiki pages I created for each ubuntu week that never gets looked at could be turned into a usable item [01:32] because I would just send things into this [01:32] Can you copy cards [01:32] like change the check list for open week to app dev week [01:32] etc [01:33] we can set those up at UDS or the week after and bam it's all in place [01:33] then people can pick various tasks and stuff [01:33] or comment on the planning sessions etc [01:34] jcastro, do we need to clear this testing stuff and add actual stuff [01:34] so we can play with it this week and the rest of open week [01:34] this isn't testing stuff [01:34] I moved my work stuff onto it [01:34] but right [01:35] you could just add everything ahead of time in here [01:35] nods [01:35] and then we'd know the status of what everyone is doing [01:35] and, the best part is [01:35] that is cool [01:35] if you're behind, you just unassign yourself [01:35] bets the hell out my huge as spreadsheet [01:35] or if you want to do something, snag a card for yourself [01:35] s/as/ass [01:35] yes, yes it does. :) [01:35] it's kind of open ended [01:36] we can make however many set of lists we want [01:36] I like that - how did you find this tool [01:36] I just thought todo, doing, done, postponed would make sense [01:36] * akgraner likes lists [01:36] it was on techcrunch [01:36] and I like that it marks through them [01:36] I like how each todo can have a sublist on the back [01:36] with little completion percentages [01:36] nods [01:37] ok - so do I the ubuntu weeks checklist to community team - the board you invited me too? [01:37] yeah [01:37] I was thinking [01:37] keep everything on one board [01:37] if I am going to set it up - I might as well do it in the right place [01:37] yeah [01:37] I like it [01:37] let me look up how to do recurring stuff [01:38] k [01:39] bbias [01:40] k [01:43] akgraner: ah, the little book icon next to the search [01:43] is a help thing [01:43] and then go to the overview [01:43] k [01:44] ah, looks like recurring lists are on the roadmap [01:44] just not implemented [01:44] I gues you could make the list [01:44] then keep it in doing [01:44] and then when you check them all off [01:44] uncheck them again and do it over? [01:45] for now yep - a card for each event [01:45] it's not like it's a hard list to copy and past [01:45] or move it from left to right [01:45] then back to the beginning each time [01:46] hey, assign me a deadline for the blog [01:46] like, for tomorrow [01:46] to blog about openweek [01:47] k [01:48] just assigned it to you, but I think I set it as the 13 let me fix that [01:50] fixed - oh that is easy to fix [01:51] * akgraner wonders can you link multiple boards - you can with the links function right? [01:51] so let's say I had News Team Board but wanted it to show up on the community board or leadership team etc - we could do that as well right? [01:52] this way the community team board has links to all the other areas in the community [01:52] providing teams want to add them there [01:52] yeah [01:52] for now just put everything on this one board [01:52] to see how it works [01:53] before we spread everything out [01:53] also [01:53] akgraner: check out my handy dandy color coding [01:54] jcastro, you used the labels for that right [01:54] yeah [01:54] go in the preferences [01:54] and you can name each color [01:56] that's cool [01:57] ah [01:57] akgraner: we can sort the order top to bottom [01:58] akgraner: you don't have any more todos? [01:58] we need a third person [01:58] yep I have tons of todo's [01:59] cjohnston: are you around? [02:03] akgraner: this is awesome [02:03] akgraner: aha! [02:03] akgraner: so, let me backpedal [02:03] maybe we should create them on seperate boards? [02:04] hehe [02:04] see I told you I had tons of todos [02:04] so here is what I was thinking - (for me anyway) [02:05] ok [02:05] create a News Team Board and a Leadership Team Board [02:05] right [02:05] oh, check it out [02:05] on the top right [02:05] it's trivial to switch between boards [02:05] ok, create those two [02:05] I created an "ubuntu" organization [02:05] all the Ubuntu Weeks can go on the Community board or a Classroom Board [02:06] right right [02:06] NICE! [02:06] oh a classroom board would be better for the weeks [02:06] yeah [02:06] let's just mirror the team structure [02:06] because we know what they are already [02:06] yep [02:07] akgraner: ok I had to invite you to the ubuntu org [02:07] ok me looks [02:07] you should be able to create boards in it now [02:09] jcastro, was I supposed to get a new notification? [02:10] don't know [02:10] see if you can create a new board [02:11] and add it to ubuntu [02:11] k [02:12] oh oopos [02:12] I didn't actually send the invite, try it now [02:14] yep created 3 new boards [02:14] jcastro, can you see them or do I need to invite/assign you to them [02:15] I think you need to invite me, let me check [02:15] Ubuntu Classroom, Ubuntu News Team, Ubuntu Leadership Team [02:15] ok I can see your boards [02:15] but not participate in them [02:16] so to participate I need to assign you to them [02:16] yeah try one [02:16] actually that makes sense [02:17] I can see any of them because I'm in "ubuntu" [02:17] but the person needs to be put in the right team to add stuff [02:18] I just sent you invites to the ones I created [02:18] yep, in now [02:19] cooleo [02:20] How does it move items from todo -> Doing -> Done [02:21] drag it [02:21] or hover over it and <- or -> [02:21] ahh ok [02:21] makes sense [02:21] ah [02:22] , and . are the keyboard shortcuts [02:23] ok I never thought I would ask for keyboard shortcuts, but I don't use the mouse any more - and get annoyed when my hands have to leave the keyboard now [02:24] ok - I'll work on populating those boards I created in a few - thanks for finding this [02:25] beats the heck out of checklists on a wiki page [02:25] or spreadsheets [02:26] hey [02:26] yep [02:26] akgraner: rename the boards and remove "ubuntu" from the front [02:26] it puts the org up top anyway [02:26] ahh ok [02:27] oh that was easy [02:27] this is pretty awesome [02:27] :-) [02:28] ok we just need to toss more people in there to see if it's awesome or if it just confuses the crap out of people, heh [02:28] I invited nigel and chris [02:28] yep let me find all the check list and populate the classroom one right quick [02:28] yeah! [02:29] I get the feeling we're going to want to do a bunch of sublists [02:29] otherwise we'll be swamped with cards [02:29] nods [02:29] I notice you can promote a subtask into a card too [02:29] let me play with this right quick and we can figure it out [02:31] akgraner: https://trello.com/shortcuts [02:31] aha! [02:31] ah suckfest, you can't move cards from one board to another [02:31] so like, you can't move entire things to other teams [02:32] akgraner: also it's in real time, if you leave it open and other people do stuff it just autoupdates [02:35] oh cool on the in real time thing [02:35] akgraner: yeah so I guess you can leave it open all day and see how people are getting on [02:36] I just made an app out of it [02:38] akgraner: heck yeah, that openweek one looks /AWESOME/ [02:45] I realized that some of the wording is for developer week [02:45] but it's a start [02:45] ok I am not seeing how to create a sublist [02:45] what am I missing [02:49] what do you mean? [02:49] there's a sublist for the back of each card? [02:50] hmmm /me looks again for the "back" of the card [02:50] click on the card [02:50] sorry, I mean on the card [02:52] ahh ok [02:53] I thought I missed something [02:53] ok this is kinda cool [02:53] yeah! [02:53] hey so, idea. [02:53] let's run with what we got here, fill em up, use them, etc. [02:53] and then at UDS we can show bacon, etc. [03:01] k [03:01] also how do you delete stuff? [03:01] I want to move things off the todo card on the community team [03:02] since I created boards for them [03:02] you just archive it [03:02] ahhh ok [03:02] http://blog.trello.com/launch/ [03:02] check out their other lists they're using [03:02] I just happened to like todo, doing, done, postpone, since it's like a GTD thing [03:02] on cool [03:03] right [03:03] Use GTD too :-) so yeah I like those too [03:03] so maybe you want to organize it by Each week [03:03] and then instead of 10 weeks out, etc. [03:03] yep [03:03] let me do one and we'll see which one we like [03:03] I wasn't sure how to do that [03:03] * akgraner needs to read up on this [03:03] I'll mess with that, you just keep doing what you were doing [03:04] their whole blog has good info [03:04] ok I'll plan Open Week for 12.04 [03:06] jcastro ok - let me see how you do this [03:06] yeah [03:08] akgraner: can you copy and paste your week stuff on a pastebin somewhere? [03:08] like what you put in those checklists. [03:08] I see - so can you assign due dates to each of the check list items... [03:09] right [03:09] oh dude [03:10] Ok one sec [03:10] I got it [03:10] watch this [03:10] http://pastebin.com/u3wZxfZX [03:10] * akgraner watches [03:11] yeah! [03:11] check it out [03:15] Oh I see :-) [03:15] I got this now [03:16] Do you know the dates for app dev, dev, cloud weeks/days yet for 12.04 [03:16] Open Week is easy to figure out [03:20] no [03:20] we pick those at UDS [03:20] but if you know the steps [03:20] we can always go back and just add dates [03:21] gotcha [03:21] so you convert the items to a card [03:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Organization [03:24] ah check this out [03:24] Look at "final preparations" [03:24] each week could be a card [03:24] and then each task in there, let me adjust it one more time. :) [03:24] k [03:25] SO the steps are the same for each week - with little tweaks here and there - but I can go ahead and use the 12.04 you just did and apply then to the other weeks but just change the wiki pages and mailing lists that are referenced [03:28] that's cool :-) [03:28] so then you just move the items to the right date order [03:29] SO you archive the items when completed then [03:29] or do you want them moved to a "DONE" page [03:29] so you can see what has been completed the archive those items at the end of each week [03:30] akgraner: ok what do you think now? [03:30] I like it it - nice and neat [03:30] akgraner: well, I think what we should do [03:30] is move them to a Done [03:30] so we don't forget them [03:30] k [03:31] and they're there in case of follow up [03:31] and then every cycle [03:31] archive them up [03:31] totally [03:31] or end of every week or something like that [03:31] that way jjono can see what's been done, etc. [03:31] it also makes it easy to see what's been accomplished etc [03:31] yep [03:32] akgraner: and I just color code them [03:33] so we can dump them in Done [03:33] akgraner: I wish we could clone cards [03:33] that would be brilliant [03:33] akgraner: ok don't fix up the one for this time [03:33] we've done all that crap already [03:33] so I will move it to done [03:33] k [03:33] thanks [03:34] we should add it to the suggestions somewhere - clone cards [03:35] it's on there [03:35] I checked. :) [03:37] akgraner: ah I know how we do it [03:37] at the end of every cycle, you rename Done to "Done for 11.10", then archive the entire list at once! [03:37] Oh Nice! [03:37] see you are thinking! [03:39] akgraner: right so I'm thinking [03:39] for things that we need lists for, repetive stuff [03:39] we can do it like that [03:39] Did you change the ToDo Card in classroom? [03:39] and then for ones that always have stuff coming in and out we can use todo, doing, done, postpone [03:39] akgraner: I archived it because I saw you making them into individual ones [03:40] gotcha [03:40] just wanted to make sure I wasn't clicking in the right spot or something :-) [03:40] SO I guess we need to document this somewhere [03:40] jcastro, you want me to start a googledoc? [03:41] for what? [03:41] then we can move it to a wiki page [03:41] well, once people see it set up [03:41] they will just follow along [03:41] this b/c you know some people won't read the blog and stuff on the site [03:41] well [03:41] it's easy [03:41] you write stuff down [03:41] and then drag it around [03:42] I mean, I guess we could write it down, but once you see them set up, it'll be easy [03:42] I know [03:42] nods [03:42] granted it sucks for us right now because we've redone some like 3 times [03:42] but hey, who's counting [03:42] it's still easy though [03:42] a lot easier than doing this on a wiki [03:42] with edit conflicts and crap [03:43] hmm now if these list could interact with the burndown charts [03:43] you could have a burndown list - and when you move it into DONE etc it updates those charts [03:44] but I dream :-) [03:44] indeed [03:44] but they don't have an API yet [03:45] I like this though - just have to remember to change the blueprints and stuff [03:45] but that's easy - just added update blueprints as a checklist item :-) [03:46] hah [03:46] yeah [03:46] hey, on each of the boards you made [03:46] set them to public [03:46] and then turn off voting [03:47] which is like a scrum thing we don't need/want [03:48] ok will do [03:50] Done [03:53] jcastro, I'll populate some of the other boards in the am and invite the other team members to join - :-) this is fun... [03:53] yeah me too! [03:53] wait! [03:53] yes [03:53] https://trello.com/card/board/make-checklists-re-usable/4d5ea62fd76aa1136000000c/4e1e0ab1802ec6e81c0ee19c [03:54] vote for this [03:54] https://trello.com/card/board/templates-for-boards/4d5ea62fd76aa1136000000c/4e6fdc349d5bce0000004fa6 [03:54] and this! [03:54] akgraner: hah awesome, they use it for their own tracking of making it [03:54] how meta. [03:55] :-) Voted [03:55] anything else before I go find my pillow? [03:55] nope, i am off to bed [03:55] this was fun, talk to you tomorrow! [03:55] yeppers laters [04:00] jcastro / akgraner - nEAT [04:00] EXCELLENT. [04:00] nigel is here [04:01] * jcastro rubs hands together [04:01] I knew you'd appreciate a nice web app [04:01] I know of it :) [04:01] Its pretty awesome [04:01] "I have tool porn!" is my new favorite jcastroism [04:01] I do. [04:01] I do. [04:01] and jcastro gets pwned by the pleia2! [04:04] interesting, who makes trello? [04:04] Joel Spolky gang [04:04] What's the company name? FogBiz? [04:05]