[00:00] <shauno> it's rather weak in places, but I decided re-recording it forwarned would lose the effect
[05:03] <harry_> Hey is there any channel for the InstallJammer's help???
[05:54] <AlanBell> http://www.thisisthecountdown.com/
[06:11] <Girly-Girl> Morning
[06:46] <czajkowski> aloha
[06:58] <popey> morning all
[07:09] <MartijnVdS> \o popey
[07:10] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:12] <GirlyGirl> MooDoo: Mooooooooo
[07:13]  * MartijnVdS likes the Ubuntu monospace (terminal) font
[07:13] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://xkcd.com/963/
[07:15] <MooDoo> GirlyGirl: mooooooooo back :)
[07:16] <GirlyGirl> MooDoo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_EsxukdNXM
[07:18] <popey> heh MartijnVdS
[07:19] <DJones> Morning all
[07:19] <MooDoo> GirlyGirl: ok ok you win :)
[07:22] <dwatkins> mornin ubuntu-uk
[07:22] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: I completely agree with that graph :D
[07:54] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:05] <Joeb454> morning AlanBell
[08:14] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:16] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:16] <bigcalm> Hi cz
[08:17] <bigcalm> ajkowski
[08:18]  * czajkowski hands bigcalm a tab key 
[08:18] <oimon> man i hate those self-serve tills in sainsbury's." unexpected item in bagging area ,remove item" : remove item, "please replace item". repeat ad nauseum. cannot cancel or proceed
[08:19]  * MooDoo need a caffine drip and a punch bag :)
[08:20] <Joeb454> oimon: I had a self-serve till where the card machine didn't recognise my card 3 times in a row
[08:20] <Joeb454> that was fun
[08:20] <Joeb454> couldn't find a way to cancel and pay by cash either
[08:20] <oimon> you know they run windows, right? :)
[08:22] <gord> so just press random buttons until it bsod's?
[08:24] <Joeb454> oimon: I vaguely remember seeing one on a windows screen once. Shame there's no proper keyboard
[08:25] <oimon> at my local shop there is always 1/6 terminals showing a windows screen and unknown exception error or similar
[08:25] <Joeb454> that's pretty impressive
[08:25] <oimon> bad software on top of bad software :D
[08:30] <JamesTait> Good morning, all!
[08:31] <BigRedS> g'morning!
[08:32]  * oimon wonders if JamesTait's regular morning greetings are produced by a script ;)
[08:32] <BigRedS> It's how I'd do it :)
[08:34] <oimon> is there any way to disable the "top story" thing on facebook?
[08:35] <DJones> oimon: I just clicked on the option to "Sort by recency" that seems to have put it back mostly like normal
[08:36] <oimon> where? where? !!
[08:36] <DJones> Just above the 1st story
[08:36] <DJones> Underneath the whats on your mind box on the right if of the centre section
[08:37] <oimon> doesn't show on mine?
[08:38] <DJones> Underneath the whats on your mind box, I get "x recent stories, x matked as top", then just to the right, "Top stories first:Sort by recency"
[08:38]  * oimon tries on firefox instead
[08:40] <DJones> This is on Chrome
[08:41] <DJones> oimon: http://imagebin.org/178617
[08:41] <oimon> wow, definitely don't get that
[08:41]  * DJones feels "special"
[08:42] <oimon> http://ubuntuone.com/2GFiTN7NKOThjSlhH1wpCQ
[08:43] <oimon> chromium and firefox are the same
[08:45] <DJones> I have seen people suggesting betterfacebook is a good add on to use, but I'm wary of letting facebook apps/addons have access to login details
[08:45] <DJones> http://betterfacebook.net/#wwbfd
[08:46] <ali1234> haha so facebook completely copied google+
[08:46] <DJones> ali1234: You mean the betterfacebook? Its not anything to do with facebook, 3rd party addon
[08:46] <ali1234> no i mean facebook.com
[08:46] <DJones> I have seen people suggesting betterfacebook is a good add on to use, but I'm wary of letting facebook apps/addons have access to login details
[08:47] <DJones> ali1234: ok, I misunderstood
[08:47] <ali1234> i have never heard of betterfacebook but it sounds a bit like polishing a turd
[08:47] <DJones> oimon: http://betterfacebook.net/#wwbfd (Hadn't noticed you'd disconnected)
[08:48]  * oimon wonders if better facebook is always the previous version :)
[08:48] <DJones> oimon: Looking at the screenshots, it does look quite useful for reducing the amount of junk on there
[08:48] <oimon> does anyone else get djones option my my (lack of) option
[08:51] <czajkowski> oimon: nope
[08:51] <oimon> czajkowski: your view looks like mine or djones?
[08:51] <czajkowski> mine looks perfect
[08:52] <oimon> :-\ is that 1 or 2?
[08:53]  * oimon thinks djones has written his own app in his sleep.
[08:54] <DJones> Heh
[08:55] <DJones> Maybe my facebook hasn't been upgraded yet
[08:56] <oimon> "upgraded"
[08:57] <MooDoo> DJones: upgrade it yourself :)
[08:57] <DJones> oimon: ok spamgraded
[08:58] <oimon> just found an ubuntu 8.10 CD in my cd, complete with ubuntu stickers :D
[08:59] <bigcalm> CD in your CD?
[08:59] <oimon> s/cd/drawer/
[08:59] <bigcalm> Ah
[08:59] <DJones> drawer or drive?
[08:59] <oimon> my brain is broken today
[08:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol: http://puffbox.com/2011/03/22/testing-hmrcs-open-source-claims/
[08:59] <popey> ey'up all
[08:59] <czajkowski> you havea drawer full of cds
[08:59] <bigcalm> Hello mr cake man
[08:59] <popey> i need to find somewhere to crash tomorrow night
[09:00] <bigcalm> Have you upset the wifey?
[09:00] <popey> or check times of last trains home
[09:00] <popey> nope
[09:00] <popey> she's out tonight, I'm out tomorrow
[09:01]  * DJones goes one better, my wife is out tonight and won't be back until Monday evening
[09:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> The Farnborough mainline trains run quite late don't they popey?
[09:01] <bigcalm> Hayley is at work all day, not sure how I will cope
[09:02] <popey> not sure TheOpenSourcerer
[09:05] <MooDoo> my wife is p***d off she can't go out, rosie won't let her :) lol
[09:05] <popey> who is rosie?
[09:05] <popey> and how old is she
[09:05] <bigcalm> What's the current prescription charge per item?
[09:05] <popey> 7 pound sommat?
[09:05] <bigcalm> Is it 7.40?
[09:06]  * bigcalm pokes TheOpenSourcerer
[09:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ouch
[09:06] <MooDoo> popey: rosie is my daughter who it 4 weeks, yeah 7 pound sommat
[09:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm: Any particular reason for that abusive prod?
[09:07] <bigcalm> Sorry, guess I got the wrong nick :)
[09:07] <popey> ahhh
[09:07] <popey> quite young then
[09:07] <bigcalm> Who is the medical type person in here?
[09:07] <MooDoo> popey: very, she doesn't like to sleep unless held :S
[09:08]  * bigcalm gives TheOpenSourcerer a plaster and a lollypop
[09:08] <oimon> babies are overrated.. toddlers are great though
[09:09] <Myrtti> popey: are you encouraging people to flood the u-r-p? :-D :-D
[09:09] <bigcalm> I was right with 7.40
[09:09] <popey> Myrtti: moi!?
[09:09] <Myrtti> yes, you!!!
[09:10] <DJones> Has anybody had any issues with 11.10 not shutting down properly, mine just sticks at a point with the 5 dots on it
[09:10] <bigcalm> DJones: not on 11.10 yet, but do you have any network shares?
[09:10] <DJones> bigcalm: NFS shares, yes
[09:11] <gord> the network share problem was fixed a few releases back (or at least, significantly reduced)
[09:11] <DJones> Hadn't had any issues with 11.04 with shares
[09:11] <bigcalm> DJones: next time you go to shut down, try unmounting them before you shutdown
[09:11]  * bigcalm shrugs
[09:11] <bigcalm> Just an idea :)
[09:12] <gord> DJones, iv had it take a long time, but never just hang, let it be for a bit more?
[09:12] <AlanBell> I would like to see a non-negotiable suspend or shutdown based on laptop lid
[09:12] <gord> hrm?
[09:12] <bigcalm> Works on my laptop in 11.04
[09:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> Seems like I need to practice drinking more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15265317
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> Suspend on lid-close works on my laptop
[09:13] <DJones> Will have to look at bug reports, the longest I've left it is 10 minutes before pressing the power button, it starts up with no errors afterwards
[09:13] <AlanBell> bigcalm: yes, but applications can block it, transmission for one
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> But only after suspending manually once
[09:13] <bigcalm> I see
[09:13] <bigcalm> Guess I'm not using such apps :)
[09:13] <gord> suspend shouldn't be blockable
[09:13] <AlanBell> pops up a dialog saying "do you really want to suspend, I am doing something really important" or something like that
[09:13] <DJones> May also try a command line shutdown to see if that has the same problem
[09:15] <gord> AlanBell, file a bug in transmission telling them that its an extremely dumb thing to do :)
[09:15] <gord> i understand for shutdown, but on suspend its just stupid
[09:16] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:16] <AlanBell> actually it might not be doing that, there is a checkbox for "inhibit hibernate"
[09:16] <MooDoo> morning
[09:17] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:20] <gord> so the countdown was a countdown to the start of a countdown thats counting down to the actual release?
[09:20] <AlanBell> estimated, yes
[09:21] <AlanBell> decrypting the transmission from chi saggitari
[09:28] <bigcalm> This makes me think they copied the idea from the Portal 2 release
[09:30] <sebsebseb> hi
[09:35] <Joeb454> hi sebsebseb
[09:35] <sebsebseb> Joeb454: hi
[09:54] <davmor2> morning all
[09:56] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[09:56] <bigcalm> Afternoon
[09:57] <bigcalm> (I wish it was)
[09:58] <bigcalm> davmor2: I'm only on the ubuntu-uk mailing list and haven't seen any responses. Have you had any more feedback elsewhere?
[10:00] <smittix> Moaning all
[10:00] <bigcalm> Morning
[10:01] <smittix> Anyone know what they are doing about the mailing list admin position?
[10:01] <Laney> IS IT OUT YET?
[10:01] <DJones> Anybody with Virgin cable tv, http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/42491/sky-anytime-on-virgin-media
[10:02] <bigcalm> Sweet
[10:02] <bigcalm> Not that we bother to watch any of the Sky channels
[10:04] <AlanBell> smittix: the ubuntu-users one?
[10:04] <jaymeskeller> Why would you want to do that? It's like tying your breakfast onto a plauge rat.
[10:04] <smittix> AlanBell: Yeah
[10:04] <AlanBell> popey might know about that, are you stepping forward?
[10:05] <oimon> isn't that the one that turned popey into a bitter and twisted old man? ;)
[10:05] <smittix> Yeah I emailed but have not recieved anything back yet? That was quite a few weeks ago now.
[10:05] <oimon> perhaps it got moderated :)
[10:05] <AlanBell> oimon: no, popey has always been bitter and twisted
[10:06] <AlanBell> like a slice of lime in a G&T
[10:06] <oimon> he's more machine now than man
[10:06] <smittix> heh
[10:08]  * AlanBell slaps youtube with a support ogv properly stick
[10:12] <davmor2> AlanBell: it might support webm more realistically
[10:12] <gord> i use webm when sending to youtube these days
[10:14] <AlanBell> I have an ogv made with gtk-recordmydesktop
[10:15] <AlanBell> ffmpeg and mencoder are arguing with me
[10:17] <AlanBell> openshot saves the day I think
[10:18] <popey> i have uploaded to youtube by renaming .ogv to .avi before now
[10:18] <gord> i have a command somewhere in my bash history i refer back to that gets me things from <whatever> in to webm :)
[10:18] <gord> chances are it uses non free stuff for audio though
[10:34] <DJones> Ok, Evidence that intelligence levels of the human race are dropping, just noticed this question from a friend on twitter "What date is halloween" (and it was asked in all seriousness)
[10:36] <MooDoo> oh dear lord
[10:36] <MooDoo> DJones: i hope you're still taking the mickey
[10:37] <DJones> MooDoo: Nah, can't be bothered with that
[10:37] <BigRedS> man. Ctrl-A, Backspace is a _really_ bad thing to have in muscle-memory :(
[10:37] <davmor2> bigcalm: nope me neither only gord, alex has it in his diary for next month, Ron has been made aware again and will try and make the afternoon again and mrevell will hopefully be there so there should be more than us this time :)
[10:38] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mukka how's things dude
[10:38] <mrevell> davmor2, I'm hoping to be there, yeah
[10:38] <MooDoo> davmor2: i need lots of beer at the moment, day it's not going well
[10:39] <davmor2> mrevell: 17th put it in your calendar ;)
[10:39] <davmor2> MooDoo: Oh dear what did you break?
[10:39] <MooDoo> davmor2: lol nothing, it's just well busy
[10:40] <davmor2> MooDoo: we're not, not with a release tomorrow on no we're not busy at all oh wait.........
[10:41] <MooDoo> davmor2: oh it's only a release, stop whining, you'd think hundreds of thousands of people are looking forward to it or something
[10:41] <MooDoo> davmor2: oh wait.....
[10:41] <davmor2> MooDoo: :D
[10:42] <davmor2> gord: have you tried out ryzom yet?
[10:42] <gord> davmor2, rywah?
[10:43] <davmor2> gord: look at USC ryzom mmorpg for Ubuntu
[10:43] <davmor2> gord: it's not terrible either :)
[10:44] <gord> davmor2, not in my sc
[10:45] <davmor2> gord: oh you're on oneiric right
[10:45] <gord> yup
[10:45] <davmor2> gord: it will be latter today I think
[10:45] <davmor2> we are porting the for purchase games across steadily
[10:46] <gord> aha
[10:46] <gord> still think most of them are priced too high in the sc
[10:46] <bigcalm> davmor2: goodo :)
[10:47] <davmor2> gord this is free
[10:47] <gord> so why is it "for purchase" :P
[10:48] <davmor2> gord: non free license, and at some point I'm assuming they will have some sort of subscription system to fund the hardware and bandwidth
[10:48] <popey> Lunchtime seems like a good time to release a podcast episode to me.
[10:48] <popey> Agreed?
[10:48] <bigcalm> Yep
[10:48] <davmor2> popey: +1
[10:48] <bigcalm> Gimmie gimmie :)
[10:49] <gord> i disagree, for unspecified reasons that may be made up
[10:49] <popey> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/10/11/s04e17-chains-of-misery/
[10:49] <popey> done
[10:49] <ali1234> davmor2: do they have a website?
[10:49] <davmor2> ali1234: yeap
[10:49] <bigcalm> gpodder to the rescue!
[10:49] <bigcalm> :(
[10:49] <gord> why isn't quake 3 arena in the software centre :(
[10:49] <bigcalm> gpodder says no new episodes
[10:49] <davmor2> http://www.ryzom.com/en/
[10:50]  * bigcalm goes to lunch. Maybe it'll work later
[10:50] <oimon> davmor2: how is it funded?
[10:50] <davmor2> gord: they would have to novitiate it
[10:50] <davmor2> oimon: magic
[10:51] <gord> its free to play
[10:51] <gord> so the same way all other free to play games. hats.
[10:51] <oimon> what's this page? http://www.ryzom.com/en/mmorpg-rpg-mmo-subscription-options.html
[10:51] <ali1234> the video says "21 day free trial"
[10:51] <popey> bigcalm: blame feedburner
[10:51]  * bigcalm blames with fire
[10:51] <davmor2> oimon: as I say I think they will be implementing a subscription system
[10:52]  * oimon scrolls up and nods
[10:52] <gord> davmor2, there is no one outreaching to people who have made games?
[10:53] <davmor2> gord: there is
[10:53] <gord> then tell them to talk to ID about quake 3, because i want it. its the most important thing
[10:54] <ali1234> you need to get that legend of grimdark ported. if i see another mmorpg or fps i might actually lose it
[10:54] <davmor2> gord: you're wrong rage is the most import thing linux client scheduled for next year ;)
[10:54] <gord> how is it supposed to be the year of the linux desktop if we don't even have quake 3 :(
[10:59] <BigRedS> I'm sure I've got quake3 working under linux before
[10:59] <BigRedS> openarena's way easier and basically the same, though
[10:59] <BigRedS> it's like quake 3 but with the lights on
[10:59] <gord> *no* its not
[10:59] <gord> its stupid and i hate it
[10:59] <gord> its *slightly* different in every way, which means its unplayable
[11:00] <DJones> Oh dear, its that time, sony accounts accessed http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/10/11/an-important-message-from-sonys-chief-information-security-officer/
[11:00] <davmor2> BigRedS: I'm pretty sure I got it playing although it may of been Doom3 it's been a long time
[11:00] <BigRedS> hm, maybe it's just been too long since I played Q3 proper, then
[11:01] <BigRedS> either way, it is pretty doable. Basically you need a Q3 disc for the images and the for-linux version of the engine off id's ftp server
[11:01] <davmor2> Rage looks nice though
[11:01] <gord> yeah i don't have my q3 disks anymore
[11:01] <BigRedS> ah, Im sure I've one somewhere which I could stick somewhere accessible to you?
[11:01] <gord> i want to buy it again :) on the software centre, you can play it for free at quakelive.com anyway
[11:01] <davmor2> and I hate fps
[11:02] <BigRedS> yeah, I've bought it several times now. In fact, I think I've got it on steam
[11:02] <gord> but the plugin for quakelive breaks every time firefox updates, which given their new version schedule of a new major version every day, means it breaks a lot.
[11:02] <BigRedS> wonder if that's at all usable as far as extracting he media
[11:03] <gord> should be, you only need one file or so
[11:03] <BigRedS> yeah, just wondered if steam did silly things to it
[11:04] <BigRedS> I have a distrust of anything that makes things that easy. Something must be up there somewhere
[11:04] <gord> yeah there is a wrapper around the exe file that forces authentication with steam, but everything else should be fine
[11:06] <ali1234> sony hacked again? lulz
[11:08] <gord> i think its just people who, when told by sony to choose a new password, put in their old one again =\
[11:08] <BigRedS> oh, gord, have you faffed around getting old id games working on new ubuntus and debians at all?
[11:08] <davmor2> I may have to install neverwinter nights again at some point
[11:09] <BigRedS> the sdl-sound hack appears to have stopped working in oneiric & experimental and I don't know enough about sound in linux to know why :(
[11:09] <ali1234> gord: so ioquake3 with q3a datafiles is not acceptable to you?
[11:10] <gord> BigRedS, they all have open source replacements, up until doom 3, doom 3 source should be out already though i think
[11:10] <gord> ali1234, sure, ioquake3 is great
[11:10] <gord> why wouldn't it be acceptable?
[11:10] <ali1234> i dunno
[11:10] <ali1234> it's in the repositories so what is the problem?
[11:10] <gord> i don't have the datafiles?
[11:11] <davmor2> man upgrades are slow
[11:11] <ali1234> how do you know it's a good game then?
[11:11] <gord> because i used to 12 years ago?
[11:11] <ali1234> is it really that old :|
[11:11] <BigRedS> gord: yeah, they're open, it's just that I'm playing old games that are unawre of the, uh, developments of linux sound recently
[11:12] <BigRedS> I'm playing Enemy Territory mostly
[11:12] <gord> i think 1999
[11:13] <gord> BigRedS, ah, that one never got open source code, sorry :) - maybe remove pulseaudio?
[11:14] <davmor2> BigRedS: it might be that you need the 32 bit lib if you're on 64bit
[11:15] <BigRedS> davmor2: yeah, I've got that from whenever it used to work (Maverick?) so I think that's all there. Every couple of releases something changes to keep me on my toes
[11:15] <BigRedS> gord: I did wonder that. I'm sure it used to work on pulse, but it's probably simplest to just do without it and it'll keep just working
[11:15] <BigRedS> or install a Lenny VM and play in that...
[11:16] <davmor2> BigRedS: don't forget the new naming version in oneiric for the apps is now :i386 other wise it will install the 64bit version that might not be any cop to you
[11:16] <BigRedS> Ahh, I'd not noticed that (Is *that* what these release notes are for? :)
[11:17] <BigRedS> I'll have a poke next time I'm at home
[11:17] <BigRedS> ta
[11:17] <jaymeskeller> Wait. They're changing the naming version in oneriric?
[11:17] <Laney> whawt?
[11:17] <Laney> -w
[11:17] <gord> hawt?
[11:18]  * Laney sews sides back together
[11:20] <davmor2> jaymeskeller: only on packages, it's using multiarch now so you can install any i386 only app
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> not any
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> but lots of them yes
[11:22] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: well the bulk of them then :)
[11:30] <gord> reason #1351 why this is not the year of the linux desktop, we don't have this application ported to ubuntu; http://bitboost.com/pawsense/
[11:31] <BigRedS> oh!
[11:31]  * BigRedS wants
[11:32] <Laney> one of my passwords is cat generated
[11:32] <BigRedS> haha
[11:33] <Pendulum> Laney: how'd you memorize it?
[11:33] <Laney> i just take the cat with me everywhere
[11:33] <Laney> he knows it
[11:33] <Pendulum> heh
[11:33] <Laney> he is also immune to social engineering
[11:33] <Laney> but not tuna engineering :(
[11:34] <davmor2> gord: when you get to reason 1337 is it then cause linux is too leet?
[11:34] <davmor2> got not get
[11:35] <gord> reason #1337 is that linux users think saying 1337 instead of using letters is cool :(
[11:36] <davmor2> gord: haha
[11:36] <davmor2> gord: you mean it isn't cool?
[11:38] <gord> no sir
[11:38] <BigRedS> he lies!
[11:39] <davmor2> BigRedS: gord just isn't 1337 :D
[11:42] <BigRedS> haha, we r t3h 1337 h4xx0rz
[11:42] <BigRedS> I'll stop now
[11:43]  * gord puts more easter eggs into unity to make all text be leetzorized for davmor2 
[11:43] <davmor2> gord: Yay it's you that has to read it though with all the bugs I'll report so I don't care :P
[12:20] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S04E17  Chains of Misery - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/10/11/s04e17-chains-of-misery/
[12:20] <bigcalm> Encoding fail
[12:24] <Myrtti> next naming scheme should be Take That
[12:24] <Myrtti> or Oasis or Blur, just for lulz
[12:28] <dwatkins> !samba
[12:28] <dwatkins> I need to reinstall a server, so this documentation should be useful.
[13:03] <sagaci> is there an en_GB team for the Launchpad-hosted packages, or only the en_GB team for the main Ubuntu package set?
[13:05] <bigcalm> Bloody hell
[13:05] <bigcalm> I got mentioned in the podcast
[13:05] <bigcalm> Meep
[13:07] <MooDoo> bigcalm: yeah they like mentioning stalkers nowadays
[13:07] <Laney> "be aware, strange man spotted wearing a suit made entirely of bacon and bees"
[13:08] <Laney> beer fans, help me choose which ones to try http://www.beerfestival.nottinghamcamra.org/Assets_pdf/Beer_2011_List.pdf
[13:10] <MooDoo> Laney: you going?
[13:10] <MooDoo> er obviously
[13:10] <MooDoo> Laney: i should of asked, what day you going lol
[13:10] <Laney> thursday + saturday
[13:11] <MooDoo> cool
[13:12] <Laney> Dark porter style beer with a ginger infusion
[13:12] <Laney> interesting...
[13:14] <hamitron> WineHQ App DB hacked? :/
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> "a ginger infusion" sounds dirty
[13:14] <Laney> sounds tasty
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: hacked? how?
[13:14] <hamitron> just got an email, saying the user database has been stolen
[13:14] <Monsterwizard> :O
[13:14] <oimon> via phpmyadmin
[13:15] <oimon> easily done
[13:15]  * hamitron spits
[13:15] <oimon> i got an email about it
[13:15] <oimon> fortunately have not used that passwd anywhere else
[13:15] <hamitron> all this stuff is just annoying
[13:15] <oimon> even more fortunate that firefox still remembered the password
[13:16] <hamitron> well, I had done.... only I've changed all important passwords since sony and codemasters
[13:16] <hamitron> ;)
[13:16] <oimon> go for low hanging fruit and hope that users use simple passwords across sites
[13:16] <hamitron> database leaks appears to be the norm :/
[13:17] <oimon> wonder if i can transfer my firefox saved passwds into chromium?
[13:18] <ali1234> yeah so the recent sony breach... done with winehq passwords?
[13:19] <gord> first time i have listened to the u-uk podcast in a while, things i have learnt; popey things a warthog is a type of aardvark
[13:20] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Chris Oattes] How to improve on ARGs - http://www.cjo20.net/blog/?p=33
[13:20] <oimon> the other thing is that when the wing commander comes on it's the end of the show
[13:33] <popey> :D gord
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> oimon: the wing commander rocks :)
[13:57] <gord> hamitron, i just noticed onboard works with unity dash now :)
[13:57] <gord> erm
[13:58] <gord> sorry, not hamitron, i meant "ha" but i tried to tab complete it i guess
[13:58] <hamitron> onboard?
[13:58] <hamitron> haha
[13:59] <Pendulum> gord: yes :)
[14:00] <_janen>   /join #edinhacklab
[14:00] <Seeker`> wow, I['m still on the planet
[14:01] <hamitron> Seeker`, which one?
[14:01] <Seeker`> ubuntu-uk
[14:01] <Laney> earth
[14:01] <hamitron> ah
[14:01] <hamitron> :)
[14:20] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] Health and Exercise - http://zrmt.com/2011/10/12/health-and-exercise/
[14:30] <bigcalm> So, when does uupc get renamed to the Popey Show?
[14:31] <popey> :D
[14:32] <gord> "Popey and friends"
[14:32] <popey> s/P/p/
[15:25] <popey> WAKEY WAKEY!
[15:26] <oimon> ssshhhhh
[15:27] <DJones> zzzzzz's
[15:28] <bigcalm> Bed please
[15:28] <DJones> Hang on, isn't this the wrong channel for that
[15:28] <hamitron> haha
[15:28] <hamitron> yeh, take it into private ;)
[15:29] <DJones> I was thinking more of the minecraft channel :)
[15:29] <ascenseur> hey :)
[15:29] <hamitron> yeh, but no harm in misleading those not aware ;)
[15:29] <kirrus> There's a minecraft channel?
[15:29] <kirrus> hello ascenseur
[15:30]  * DJones erases my last comment
[15:30] <ascenseur> howdy kirrus :)
[15:30] <gord> huh, intel have shut down their Digital Home Group - looks like arm is gonna power tv's and media devices for the foreseeable future
[15:31] <gord> wonder what that means for atoms
[15:32] <DJones> I wonder if you made a "supercomputer" using atom processors, could you call it a molecule computer (I know, bad joke)
[15:32] <hamitron> :D
[15:32]  * hamitron kinda liked it
[15:32] <hamitron> ;/
[15:32] <DJones> gord: Probably the share price will go up
[15:32] <gord> you could network up a bunch of atom computers, each of them simulating a virtual atom
[15:33] <hamitron> that work done at intel with old i586 cpu recently sounded interesting
[15:34] <hamitron> used a lot less power, hope that is the direction they are moving towards
[15:38] <ujjain> What is the children game called when children have to run away from eachother and the 'catcher' has to touch them, them the touched person becomes 'catcher'
[15:38] <ujjain> sorry for bad explanation
[15:38] <hamitron> think it has a few different names
[15:38] <gord> tic-a-nic?
[15:39] <gord> americans like to call it tag i think
[15:39] <popey> "it"
[15:39] <popey> (is what we call it)
[15:39] <DJones> ujjain: We called it "Tic"
[15:39] <ali1234> we called it dobby
[15:39] <popey> ujjain: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_(game)
[15:39] <popey> explains it best
[15:39] <davmor2> that's Tig surely
[15:40] <bigcalm> It goes by many names
[15:40] <bigcalm> I was always it :(
[15:40] <popey> heh
[15:41] <Pendulum> bigcalm: that's because you were loved :)
[15:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: you still are muppet boy ;)
[15:41] <hamitron> we mostly played British Bulldogs iirc
[15:41] <gord> i was really really fast and there was a girl who was really really fast so we both used to only chase each other, ahh to be 8 again
[15:41] <popey> we used to play "1, 2, 3 and out" where you ran hid and had to get back to the base before you were caught
[15:42] <bigcalm> popey: I knew that as 40/40 home
[15:42] <bigcalm> Why, dunno
[15:42] <bigcalm> davmor2: wakka wakka
[15:42] <bigcalm> Pendulum: sweet :)
[15:43] <davmor2> bulldogs and pile-on when they got banned tagdogs bugdogs without the aggression
[15:43] <davmor2> then we realise that if you went to the field and held a rugby ball you could still play pile-on and bulldogs :)
[15:44] <bigcalm> Hahaha
[15:44] <hamitron> banned? :|
[15:55] <ujjain> DJones, popey, thanks! :)
[16:32] <Diogo> #webdetails
[16:45] <marcushaslam> hi
[17:36] <gord> cool, if you buy "dungeons of dreadmore" on steam, they put the linux binaries in the download :)
[18:49] <Girly-Girl> bye
[18:50] <bigcalm> Hi?
[18:52] <popey> YES!
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> Howdy!
[18:53] <bigcalm> Fish fingers!
[18:54] <davmor2> Rupert the Bear
[18:54] <christel> and custard?
[18:59] <Azelphur> fish fingers and custard \o/
[18:59] <Azelphur> I should try that sometime, I wonder how it actually tastes
[19:00] <mgdm> boggin', I'd suspect
[19:01] <Azelphur> apparently it tastes good, http://www.alananna.co.uk/blog/2011/fish-fingers-and-custard/
[19:14] <christel> Azelphur: yeah, you and i both!
[19:14] <christel> i am all for trying it
[19:14] <Azelphur> I've tried more daring things
[19:14] <Azelphur> The other day I cooked a recipe someone pulled off 4chan \o/
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: Dead baby stew?
[19:15] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: 2 minute brownies :D
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> ah the microwave one
[19:15] <Azelphur> yep, it was good \o/
[19:31] <davmor2> http://instantrimshot.com/index.php?sound=crickets  :D nice
[20:01] <brobostigon> bbc4 10pm, brazil, :)
[20:07] <brobostigon> get-iplayer :)
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> I don't think that'll work on movies
[20:09] <Patch230> Evening !
[20:10] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :'(
[20:17] <Patch230> Anyone from the north east ?
[20:22] <davmor2> AlanBell: well looking at the workload I have left I don't think I'll be coming down tomorrow :(  still midst application migration testing for the paid for apps :(
[20:27] <davmor2> oneiric new multiarch is being a pain for us :(
[20:49] <AlanBell> aww
[20:53] <andres-kain> does anyone have gnumeric? if so could you try something simple like adding two columns?
[20:54] <andres-kain> does it work or does it give you #Value!
[20:56] <jacobw> andres-kain: gnumeric is a bit outdated
[20:57] <andres-kain> Ah! found it! it was that I was using decimals like 0.1 and not 0,1
[20:57] <andres-kain> jacobw how is it updated?
[20:57] <andres-kain> outdated?*
[20:59] <andres-kain> last update was in july according to wikipedia... it is what is recomended for lighter distros (or so it seemed)
[21:00]  * jacobw is wrong 
[21:13] <BigRedS> andres-kain: does that mean you don't need it testing?
[21:14] <andres-kain> yes sorry
[21:14]  * BigRedS is as fond of gnumeric as he'll allow himself to become fond of any spreadsheet app
[21:14] <BigRedS> ah, it's fine!
[21:14] <BigRedS> I don't mind not doing something :)
[21:15] <andres-kain> gnumeric is awesome.
[21:18] <BigRedS> I wouldn't go that far, but it's preferable to all the alternatives
[21:20] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] iPhone4S or Galaxy S2? - http://zrmt.com/2011/10/12/iphone4-or-galaxy-s2/
[21:20] <AlanBell> Galaxy S2
[21:21] <andres-kain> samsung tizen
[21:21] <andres-kain> with flexible screen display thanks to grafene.
[21:23] <BigRedS> Despite the goodness of the S2, I'm having trouble liking Samsung again after what they did to the S
[21:24] <Monsterwizard> I need help from you guys
[21:24] <Monsterwizard> Ok when I look at a problem..yano a software or logic one
[21:24] <Monsterwizard> I pannic
[21:25] <Monsterwizard> anixiety
[21:25] <Monsterwizard> kicks in
[21:25] <andres-kain> what is the problem?
[21:25] <Monsterwizard> any problem
[21:25] <Monsterwizard> :P
[21:25] <andres-kain> in what do you need help now..?
[21:27] <zleap> hi
[21:27] <popey> hello
[21:28] <zleap> looks like 10.10 is released friday or very late thursday
[21:28] <popey> i think you mean 11.10
[21:28]  * zleap is going by the counter (yheah 11.10)
[21:28] <popey> i wouldn't go by the counter
[21:29] <popey> that has pretty much no bearing
[21:29] <zleap> okj
[21:30] <AlanBell> zleap: the release manager is coming to the party in London
[21:30] <zleap> ok
[21:31] <AlanBell> that is a much more sensible upper bound on the release time
[21:32] <zleap> i have a countdown banner on my website showing 1 day
[21:34] <zleap> i would have organised a release party but no one on the linux user group ever seems interested
[21:34] <zleap> plus lack of suitable venues
[21:37] <YaManicKill> wow that was a lot of typing
[21:38] <YaManicKill> my ubuntu reviews always end up being so big...
[21:39] <popey> yay
[21:39] <popey> YaManicKill: url?
[21:39] <popey> is it on G+?
[21:39] <YaManicKill> its not posted yet...i'm waiting till the release
[21:39] <popey> ah ok
[21:40] <BigRedS> YaManicKill: but by then it'll be out of date! :)
[21:40] <YaManicKill> ;-)
[21:40] <YaManicKill> it seems premature releasing it when people can't get the stable version
[21:40] <popey> hahah you said stable
[21:40] <YaManicKill> i know, i know, its not much different...but that tag makes a huge difference to people
[21:41]  * BigRedS spots another oneiric user
[21:41] <popey> i had a bit of a rant
[21:41] <YaManicKill> i saw :-P
[21:43] <YaManicKill> i dont think its "broke" its just a rubbish rubbish design tbh...
[21:43] <BigRedS> wonder if ubuntu can beat apple tomorrow: http://www.lonap.net/bandwidth.shtml
[21:45] <AlanBell> no, sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager was *not* what I wanted to do in an SSH session to a customer server
[21:45] <YaManicKill> haha
[21:45] <BigRedS> hah. oops
[21:45] <BigRedS> I apt-get installed mongodb once and got half of X...
[21:46] <AlanBell> saved by a broken proxy :)
[21:47] <zleap> hmm how do I fix a package in an inconsistant state
[21:48] <zleap> does dpkg -p purge a package
[21:48] <zleap> so i can remove it
[21:48] <zleap> still got problems with apt being in an inconsistant state with this printer driver
[21:49] <ali1234> why are you all hating on oneiric?
[21:49] <ali1234> it isn't worse than natty
[21:49] <ali1234> it certainly crashes a lot less
[21:50] <BigRedS> it's more surprising for me
[21:50] <BigRedS> alt-tab in particular seems to go out of its way to not do what I meant
[21:50] <BigRedS> and I can't quite work out whether that's what it's supposed to do
[21:50] <ali1234> i prefer the new alt-tab to the old alt-tab, which was useless
[21:50] <ali1234> now it is only mostly useless
[21:51] <BigRedS> it makes the same assumptions as gnome3 - that I don't necessarily not want another window of the current app - but gnome3 is easier to correct
[21:51] <ali1234> there's too many double negatives in that, i can't parse it
[21:51] <YaManicKill> ali1234: why is it that pointing out a problem is immediately "hating on" something?
[21:51] <BigRedS> haha
[21:51] <zleap> ok if I wanted to search /var/lib/dpkg/status for a specific package how do i do that
[21:52] <zleap> grep /var/lib/dpkg/status <what i want to search for >
[21:52] <ali1234> YaManicKill: i just wonder why so many people seem to have /only just/ noticed that unity sucks
[21:52] <YaManicKill> it doesnt
[21:52] <BigRedS> when I alt-tab in an app with two windows open (say firefox and firefox downloads) the hardest window to get at is the other window of that app
[21:52] <BigRedS> which is completely contrary to how I work
[21:52] <YaManicKill> thats a stupid crap generlisation
[21:52] <ali1234> well, we'll see
[21:52] <BigRedS> I don't think it sucks necessarily. I think it's just made for people with different tastes to me
[21:53] <BigRedS> though I don't find it *hard* to use, I did prefer Gnome2
[21:54]  * TheOpenSourcerer will be sticking to 10.10 on his work machines for *another* round by the sound of things...
[21:54] <BigRedS> Hah. I'm still postponing my shift from Debian
[21:54] <BigRedS> I've been doing that for about five years now
[21:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oneric on my netbook is ludicrously slow to boot... And sometimes I just get the nautilus menu in the top bar and nothing else. Anywhere. CTL+ALT+F1 the login and reboot. Yawn.
[21:55] <popey> takes ages to boot on my 8 core i7 on SSD
[21:55] <BigRedS> surely you could just restart gdm?
[21:55] <ali1234> TheOpenSourcerer: that means unity failed to start due to graphics driver bugs
[21:55] <BigRedS> not a lot more elegant, granted
[21:55] <popey> I dont quite get why its so slow to get to the logon screen
[21:55] <ali1234> or rather compiz
[21:55] <popey> my 1.6GHz atom is faster
[21:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> oh crumbs popey - an i7 should be quite quick.
[21:56] <popey> indeed
[21:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\quite\very
[21:56] <popey> 3.4GHz quick
[21:56]  * popey looks for a bootchart
[21:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-)
[21:56] <mgdm> about half an hour of going "Cor, that's quite a lot of cores you've got"?
[21:57] <popey> hmm, i installed bootchart and now its gone
[21:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> BigRedS: it doesn't seem to have gdm anymore. Something else I found I could restart but it didn't help much.  I had to login as a guest and copy some .gnome2/.gconf dirs from the /tmp/guest to my home dir so it would start properly ;-)
[21:58] <popey> lightdm
[21:58] <BigRedS> TheOpenSourcerer: it's got *something* gdm3? lightdm?
[21:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> that's it.
[21:58] <BigRedS> ah, lightdm
[21:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> that is a lie.
[21:58] <ali1234> where is the lightdm theme stored?
[21:58]  * popey shrugs
[21:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> *light*dm my bottom.
[21:58] <BigRedS> Well, it's nice in some perverse way to know that someone else is having more trouble than me...
[21:58] <ali1234> yeah, it has a whole html engine built in, doesn't it?
[21:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> should be slowdm
[21:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> you are kidding ali1234?
[21:59] <ali1234> no, that's the point of it
[21:59] <BigRedS> oh, is that where this write-a-wm-in-javascript thing comes from?
[21:59] <ali1234> the theme is done in html
[21:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> wft?
[21:59] <AlanBell> lighter than GDM
[22:00] <ali1234> anyway i want to get rid of all traces of that ugly purple wallpaper, even though i only see it after a kernel upgrade
[22:02] <popey> my pc boots to a black screen
[22:02] <popey> with a flashing cursor
[22:02] <popey> _and_ a mouse cursor
[22:03] <BigRedS> oooh
[22:03] <ali1234> nice
[22:03] <YaManicKill> haha
[22:03] <ali1234> sounds like KMS fail
[22:03]  * popey videos this madness
[22:03] <popey> its intel
[22:03] <ali1234> yeah, there you go then
[22:03] <popey> if i press enter lightdm starts
[22:03] <ali1234> the only way to escape the insanity is to use a driver that doesn't support KMS
[22:03] <zleap> ohh i think i may have fixed this issue
[22:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> On  a lighter note: https://plus.google.com/u/0/104060033182234025482/posts/CTKqTsrFyVF
[22:05] <BigRedS> TheOpenSourcerer: looks painful
[22:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> Had all three on my Beans last night ;-)
[22:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[22:05] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/bootcharts/wopr-oneiric-20111012-1.png
[22:06] <popey> hows that for lolworthy
[22:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Today I got some new seeds for next year: Trinidad Scorpion "Butch T" (Current world record holder for hottest chillie at ~1.4m scovilles) and the Naga Viper(R) (The 2nd hottest at ~1.3m scovilles)
[22:07] <BigRedS> you freak :)
[22:07] <mgdm> popey: wow
[22:07] <zleap> what do i need to install to connect to another computer on the same network i am on running Windows XP ?
[22:08] <gordonjcp> popey: comedy cold
[22:08] <ali1234> popey: that looks like the weird IRQ bug again
[22:08] <BigRedS> zleap: define 'connect to'
[22:08] <gordonjcp> or even gold
[22:08] <ali1234> 20 seconds of nothing, then you hit enter and it comes to life
[22:08] <BigRedS> but probably smbclient
[22:08] <gordonjcp> TheOpenSourcerer: interesting
[22:08] <zleap> ok
[22:08] <zleap> if I want to actually control the other computer
[22:08] <YaManicKill> 1:15 for a core i7???
[22:08] <BigRedS> for various windows services (filesharing, wins, netbios)
[22:08] <BigRedS> zleap: aha, there's a terminal services client
[22:08] <YaManicKill> mine booted in about 30...
[22:08] <BigRedS> I can't remember what it's called
[22:08] <zleap> ok
[22:08] <BigRedS> but you don't need smb for it
[22:09] <zleap> so what do i need to run on the windows box ?
[22:09] <BigRedS> 'terminal services' is what windows calls remote desktop
[22:09] <BigRedS> you need to enable terminal services. I can't remember where.
[22:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> zleap - you can browse to an existing Windows share without having to install anything IIRC.
[22:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> On 10.10 Places->Network and wait a mo.
[22:10] <zleap> 11.04
[22:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Christ knows on anything later than that though
[22:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> ;-)
[22:10] <zleap> but yeah,  i havce tried to install what is needed but don't seem to be able to see the other computer
[22:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> open a terminal and (if it isn't installed install it) run smbtree
[22:11] <popey> you can get to that menu in 11.04
[22:11] <popey> just go to the top of the screen
[22:11] <popey> where the menu is
[22:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> With sudo if you need to  - it will browse the LAN for any Windows shares
[22:12] <zleap> ok
[22:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> like that:
[22:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/707019/
[22:13] <zleap> that sees my windows box
[22:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not much else on now - everyone else in bed
[22:15] <zleap> hmm
[22:15] <ali1234> /etc/lightdm/unity-greeter.conf to change the wallpaper on the login screen (or replace it with a solid colour like i just did)
[22:15]  * TheOpenSourcerer decides to (just for a laugh) update his netbook to Oneric released -1day
[22:15] <zleap> i think i need to change the domain  name or what ever on the windows box to WORKGROUP so its the same as for the computer I am on now
[22:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Does anyone else get a message on startup about a sparse file not allowed?
[22:16] <ali1234> no
[22:16] <ali1234> did you install on ntfs or something?
[22:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> I *think* I might have selected btrfs just for fun :-[
[22:17] <BigRedS> haha
[22:17] <ali1234> oops
[22:17] <BigRedS> 'just for fun' about a filesystem choice?
[22:18] <YaManicKill> popey: your weird alt-tab stuff doesn't happen in unity2d
[22:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's my netbook. Not a "production" machine. Well - it has Unity on it so definitely not production.
[22:19] <popey> YaManicKill: colour me unsurprised
[22:19] <popey> friend of mine laments that Ubuntu dont put big warnings in the installer about btrfs
[22:19] <popey> its proper grolsch
[22:20] <ali1234> popey: i've been complaining about the inability to switch to a single window without revealing all of them for 6 months
[22:20] <ubuntuuk-planet> [iain woz ere] Robin Hood beer festival 2011 - http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/blog/posts/2011/10/beer-festival/
[22:20] <ali1234> how did you not notice this before?
[22:20] <popey> pass
[22:20] <ali1234> i just don't get it :|
[22:20] <popey> I used OSX for a fair chunk of this cycle
[22:20] <popey> but wiped that out completely recently
[22:21] <Laney> man that kernel bug looks annoying
[22:21] <Laney> not even the bug itself, but the automated ping pong
[22:21] <popey> which bug?
[22:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh no updates for the last day or two... Don't say this is final. Perrrrlease
[22:22] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: enable -proposed :D
[22:22] <popey> there's loads of updates
[22:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ah OK.
[22:22] <popey> get them now, while you can :D
[22:22] <alexcockell> I was thinking - when I do a major upgrade next year, the learnign curve could be a bit big.. as other LTS-LTS users like me will find...
[22:23] <popey> nah, we'll have the documentatino done by then :D
[22:23] <alexcockell> HArdy to Lucid was pretty seamless...
[22:23] <popey> there will be a new Ubuntu manual out by then
[22:23] <Laney> popey: the one you twote
[22:23] <popey> ..for maverick
[22:23] <Laney> but kernel bugs in general
[22:23] <popey> Laney: the ralink one?
[22:23] <ali1234> popey: is that the italian localization?
[22:23] <alexcockell> but considering my muscle memory was XP Classic - to GNOME2...
[22:23] <Laney> i don't even remember what it was
[22:23] <popey> Laney: i believe it's just that the driver is shit
[22:23] <Laney> i just saw the automated responses and got annoyed
[22:23] <popey> it seems to work if you power down completely
[22:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Only 43 packages
[22:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> About 11MB
[22:24]  * Laney upgrades to precise
[22:24] <Laney> oneiric? pfft, who uses that?
[22:24] <zleap> i can now see my ubuntu box from windows
[22:24]  * popey smells Laney's breath
[22:24] <alexcockell> I also found out the hard way ( as there was a second partition on my netbook) that it's always best on lappies to have nothign connected and battery in - and on mains - to do the full dist-upgrade..
[22:25]  * popey puts a pint of water next to Laney's bedside for rehydration
[22:25] <alexcockell> You lot been following the whole RIM debacle and giggling?
[22:25] <ali1234> popey: point about full shutdown. i *always* do that. half the time this machine wont even post if i warm reboot. bioses these days...
[22:26] <alexcockell> Unless of course you have Blackberries...
[22:26] <popey> i only know about the RIM stuff because a) my nieces are moaning about it and b) people keep posting steve jobs jokes about it
[22:27] <alexcockell> Core switch in Slough went bang and took the whole bloody network with it.
[22:27] <shauno> if a bug has been milestoned for oneiric-updates, does that mean it won't be oneiric at release?
[22:27] <popey> no
[22:27] <popey> it will go to -updates
[22:27] <ali1234> their whole operation was routed through slough?
[22:27] <ali1234> lol
[22:27] <alexcockell> Europe, North Africa etc was..
[22:28] <alexcockell> And BBMs stacking up in their queues then rolled over to their datacentre in Canada and started affecting everything over there as well.
[22:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> On the R4 news this eve. they said it was affecting North America too
[22:29] <alexcockell> Apparently there was a network change going in.. and no disrec or backout plans..
[22:29] <alexcockell> And auto-failover didn't.
[22:29] <alexcockell> One fuckin' massive SPOF waiting to happen.
[22:29] <ali1234> it's still going on? jeez
[22:29] <alexcockell> Apparently no major net upgrades had happened since 2007..
[22:29] <popey> 3 days I think
[22:30] <alexcockell> Oh - and it was *since* then that they decided to add all the consumer traffic.
[22:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Right reboot Oneric and then time for bed.
[22:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Well, breakfast proly
[22:31] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: this samsung is running oneiric
[22:32] <alexcockell> So - Cisco 9000 goes bang... and took down all the proxies with it..
[22:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> "error: sparse file not allowed" It's a grub thing.
[22:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> bug 464743
[22:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Notice "New"... Reported 2009-10-30
[22:34] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: you have one partition and it's btrfs?
[22:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-)
[22:34] <popey> you need /boot
[22:35] <popey> AIUI
[22:35] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: new in grub, fix released in grub2
[22:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> The installer didn't tell me that
[22:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> It boots OK - Just pauses to tell me about sparse files
[22:37] <alexcockell> Oh - re the RIM debacle, I run a Nokia N900... so I'm sitting back with popcorn..
[22:39] <shauno> I thought that was kinda ironic timing.  the same day apple's take on bbm goes live, bbm's nowhere to be seen
[22:39] <AlanBell> wonder if matti is very busy right now
[22:40] <popey> i thought he left
[22:40] <popey> i like that I can send animated gifs over apple imessage :D
[22:40] <AlanBell> ah, I see, matti moves on and the whole infrastructure falls apart!
[22:41] <popey> typical
[22:41] <wintellect> Anyone else having issues with Virgin media?
[22:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> Right time for bed. nn all.
[22:41] <wintellect> Seems I can do anything except access port 80 on other servers :(
[22:42] <shauno> popey, I'm told imessage becomes bbm-compatible if you turn airplane mode on
[22:42] <AlanBell> o/ TheOpenSourcerer
[22:42] <popey> haha
[22:42] <popey> wintellect: no
[22:44] <wintellect> :'(
[22:44] <wintellect> thanks popey
[22:48] <alexcockell> Shauno> LOL
[22:57] <alexcockell> RIM report msg - as quoted by the Grauniad - "The messaging and browsing delays being experienced by BlackBerry users in Europe, the Middle East, Africa, India, Brazil, Chile and Argentina were caused by a core switch failure within RIM's infrastructure. Although the system is designed to failover to a back-up switch, the failover did not function as previously tested. As a result, a large backlog of data was generated and we are now working to clear
[22:57] <alexcockell> that backlog and restore normal service as quickly as possible. We apologise for any inconvenience and we will continue to keep you informed."
[23:07] <shauno> argh .. NTL can't do anything right :/  dvr decided to record exactly 60 seconds of billy connolly
[23:08] <BigRedS> alexcockell: yeah, I'm still skeptical that it's *a* core switch failure. That's one hell of a SPOF
[23:09] <alexcockell> If the whole *frame* went phut...
[23:09] <alexcockell> Cards to each of the related areas... possible?
[23:10] <alexcockell> But no mesh implemented?  No MPLS infrastructure?  or just PVCs to the related centres?
[23:10] <BigRedS> what, and no plan for if the DC had gone away?
[23:11] <alexcockell> Sounds fucking stupid..
[23:11] <BigRedS> well, yeah
[23:11] <Seeker`> alexcockell: language
[23:11] <BigRedS> and, oddly, now doesn't seem to be the time for people to realise that relying on someone else to run a 'free' service for you doesn't always work out well
[23:11]  * BigRedS pats xmpp server
[23:11] <MattJ> XMPP \o/
[23:11] <BigRedS> haha
[23:12] <BigRedS> I'm sure that's a script
[23:12] <MattJ> It's not, I assure you
[23:12] <alexcockell> Apparently, North America was badly affected - as probably BBNs were being rerouted...
[23:13] <alexcockell> The problem is - they seem to have very few interlinks to the rest of the Net - and they rely on push servers to interrogate remote mailfiles run at external IMAP and POP servers...
[23:13] <alexcockell> ... on behalf of their users..
[23:13] <BigRedS> MattJ: ah, I think that proved it.
[23:13] <alexcockell> Same witht he interlinks to Facebook etc.. and their proxy servers..
[23:13] <MattJ> BigRedS, or I'm a good scripter
[23:13] <BigRedS> either it's not a script, or it's a good one :)
[23:13] <MattJ> ;)
[23:39] <doad> hi room im currently using ubuntu 11.04 and im finding it rather slow but when i try to download ubuntu 9.10 and try burning it using ubuntus cd burning software it keeps coming up with error when burning disk, i have tried downloading it from several different sites but no good can anyone help me please
[23:44] <AlanBell> doad: older versions are not neccessarily faster
[23:44] <AlanBell> what processor and ram size do you have?
[23:44] <popey> doad: have you tried installing unity-2d on your 11.04 system?
[23:44] <doad> yeah but my comps quite old and i found using 9.10 faster than 11.04
[23:45] <popey> its quite a bit faster then unity 3d
[23:46] <doad> any ideas people?
[23:46] <doad> 11.04 wont let me burn 9.10 to disk and im stuck :(
[23:49] <doad> any ideas peeps
[23:52] <doad> popey << where can i obtain unity -2d
[23:55] <AlanBell> sudo apt-get install unity2d
[23:55] <doad> do i do that in a terminal?>
[23:56] <AlanBell> yes
[23:56]  * AlanBell heads off to bed
[23:56] <doad> can i ask what does it do?
[23:57] <AlanBell> happy 11.10 release day everyone, see you at the party later
[23:57] <hamitron> 12.04 is next :D
[23:57] <AlanBell> doad: from the login screen you can choose unity2d, it does exactly the same as unity3d, but with less bling (slightly)
[23:58] <doad> and is it a bit faster like for my firefox  internet and loading other programs
[23:59] <AlanBell> not much
[23:59] <AlanBell> what spec  is your computer?