[05:18] <munikar> anybody here?
[05:18] <munikar> ?
[05:19] <well_laid_lawn> looks like there's 65 in the channel
[05:20] <munikar> people say that xubuntu runs well in 256 mb ram, but my computer with 256 mb ram and 2.4 GHz processor always hangs in the middle of installation process..........!!! :((((
[05:21] <well_laid_lawn> did you check the cd or iso?
[05:23] <munikar> yes, i just downloaded 689.5 mb ISO file and burned it in a cd. The CD worked fine in my laptop with 3 Gb RAM
[05:24] <well_laid_lawn> is there a swap file on the hard disk?
[05:24] <well_laid_lawn> s/file/partition/
[05:24] <munikar> yes i have a page file in the Windows XP
[05:25] <munikar> not installed linux distro yet in that computer
[05:25] <well_laid_lawn> not the same thing but ok
[05:25] <well_laid_lawn> how do you know the comp hangs during installation
[05:25] <well_laid_lawn> ?
[05:32] <munikar> during installation process, after choosing lanuage, when i click the "Forward" button. Then the comptuter hangs.....may be becoz of lack of memory
[05:32] <munikar> xubuntu isn't lightweight anymore .... :(
[05:32] <Unit193> Using the alternate installer could help
[05:35] <well_laid_lawn> you do need a fair bit of memory to run the live cd
[05:35] <munikar> what about alternate cd?
[05:36] <well_laid_lawn> !alternate
[05:55] <ssargennto> #testing
[12:57] <joris> Shouldn't thunar be able to mount remote shares over ssh?
[13:09] <ablomen> joris, gigolo can
[13:09] <ablomen> (applications menu => system => gigolo)
[13:13] <joris> ablomen: thanks!
[13:28] <joris> ablomen: I can't get gigolo to connect. I can also not select ssh for service type only custum location. Any ideas?
[13:31] <joris> ablomen: got it! I needed to install gvs-backends and now it works!
[13:32] <ablomen> joris, ok cool :)
[13:36] <joris> btw  I would have never find  out  that a program with the name gigolo would mount remote shares...
[13:37] <joris> and I hope that my girlfriend does not often check firefox history, because she will be asking why I was googling for a gigolo...
[13:39] <ablomen> joris, haha well the name is gigolo because "it mounts everything you tell it to mount"
[14:43] <_ToZ> quit
[14:45] <MikeChelen> wish gigolo automatically installed the gvfs-backends package
[14:45] <MikeChelen> since its required for most share types
[14:56] <Cosmoe> hi chaps
[14:56] <Cosmoe> has anyone come across an issue with XUbuntu 11.04 where mouse settings (IE acceleration and threshold) don't persist across logins?
[15:02] <ElderDryas> Cosmoe: No, they have always worked for me.
[15:03] <Cosmoe> i see
[15:03] <Cosmoe> do you know where the settings are stored?
[15:03] <ElderDryas> What happens if you edit file:///home/drc/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/pointers.xml
[15:03] <likemindead> Why no mention of 11.10 at xubuntu.com (or ubuntu.com)?
[15:03] <ElderDryas> change drc to your login
[15:03] <ElderDryas> backup the file before editing :)
[15:04] <ElderDryas> likemindead: becasue it's not released yet (tomorrow)
[15:04] <likemindead> Right.
[15:04] <Cosmoe> now, it appears to have changed that file ElderDryas
[15:04] <Cosmoe> to the settings i've input
[15:04] <Cosmoe> but it must be resetting or something on my fresh login
[15:04] <likemindead> There's most always a "Coming Soon" or countdown or something, though.
[15:04] <Cosmoe> i suppose i could make it RO
[15:05] <charlie-tca> likemindead: We didn't get one written
[15:05] <charlie-tca> However, it is in the topic here
[15:05] <likemindead> Ah. No worries.
[15:05] <likemindead> True dat.
[15:06] <ElderDryas> Cosmoe: Change the settins to what you want, re-start X (or reboot) open the file and see what it says.  If it's changed from what you want, "Houston, we have a problem" :)
[15:06] <Cosmoe> yeah, not good eh
[15:06] <Cosmoe> brb
[15:06] <charlie-tca> don't forget to save session
[15:06] <charlie-tca> if session is not saved, settings are not saved either
[15:07] <ubuntu_> Hi everybody. I need a help with my xubuntu. I'm from Poland and my gramma isn't very good, but I tried all what I've found.
[15:07] <Cosmoe> ... i see
[15:07] <Cosmoe> that seems a little counter-intuitive
[15:07] <Cosmoe> brb
[15:07] <charlie-tca> !details | ubuntu_
[15:08] <ElderDryas> charlie-tca: I have never overtly saved a session and my mouse settings carry over.  Does Xubuntu automagically save the session (probably as a default) ?
[15:09] <ElderDryas> charlie-tca: Maybe that is why if I leave, say, xchat open when I shut down it comes up the next time I start.
[15:10] <ElderDryas> Even though I do not have Automatically save session checked....
[15:11] <ubuntu_> I have a problem with grub rescue. I'm running Xubuntu 11.04 on live CD. I've installed it today. I had Windows XP before and Xubuntu is on the second partition I had (not the windows xp partition, even if I choose option to install Xubuntu near windows)
[15:11] <Cosmoe> it looks like the file stays the same ...
[15:11] <Cosmoe> but the settings aren't applied
[15:12] <ubuntu_> and grub doesn't loading, so I can't choose OS
[15:14] <ElderDryas> Cosmoe: This may sound silly, but are you sure you are modifying the correct mouse?
[15:14] <Cosmoe> yep
[15:14] <Cosmoe> 100% sure
[15:14] <Cosmoe> and you were right to ask, as I do have two 'mice'
[15:14] <Cosmoe> the touchpad and an external mpuse
[15:14] <Cosmoe> mouse *
[15:14] <ElderDryas> Cosmoe: OK, I asked becasue I made the mistake of modifying the PS@ mouse and wondered why it wasn't working with my wireless optical mouse :)
[15:15] <Cosmoe> heh
[15:15] <ElderDryas> er...PS2
[15:15] <ubuntu_> I spent few hours in front of my laptop. I'm hungry, tired and angry.
[15:15] <Cosmoe> well according to pointers.xml, my touchpad has acceleration of 5
[15:15] <Cosmoe> but it has none whatsoever
[15:15] <Cosmoe> i wonder if it's getting confused because I have two devices
[15:15] <ElderDryas> Touchpad and Mouse?
[15:16] <Cosmoe> that's right
[15:16] <Cosmoe> it's a bcm5974 touchpad (Macbook Pro)
[15:16] <ElderDryas> Works For Me (tm) :)
[15:16] <Cosmoe> which i'm using the mtrack driver for
[15:17] <charlie-tca> ElderDryas: yes, your session is saving automatically
[15:17] <Cosmoe> i've tried saving the session specifically and it still seems to be an issue
[15:18] <charlie-tca> There are two places for save session on exit, on is at the logout screen, the other is in "Sessions and Startup"
[15:20] <ElderDryas> ChanServ: And even if I choose neither, the session is save...hmmmm
[15:21] <charlie-tca> hmmm
[15:21] <charlie-tca> if both are unchecked, the session should not save, unless you are opening a previously saved session.
[15:21] <charlie-tca> If you close everything, save session, logout, login, nothing should should start
[15:21]  * ElderDryas for one welcomes our new digital overlords.
[15:24] <likemindead> What a load of bull. >> http://yourbrowsermatters.org/
[15:24] <williammw> hello everyone
[15:24] <charlie-tca> well, it is by microsoft, afterall
[15:24] <charlie-tca> !hi | williammw
[15:25] <M-n-M> hello williammw
[15:27] <williammw> hello M-n-M
[15:32] <Cosmoe> looks like even if i set the correct settings in my xorg.conf that xubuntu will reset them to some strange default when i log back in
[15:33] <Cosmoe> it seems the best way around this is to simply have a script that i can run that calls "xset m 5 10"
[15:34] <charlie-tca> Nothing should be changing xorg.conf
[15:34] <ElderDryas> Cosmoe: Mine doesn't change
[15:34] <charlie-tca> The only files Xubuntu should be changing are in ~/.config and ~/.cache
[15:34] <Cosmoe> it isn't changing xorg.conf charlie-tca
[15:34] <Cosmoe> it isn't changing profiles.xml in .config either
[15:35] <Cosmoe> it's just that somehow xubuntu sees fit to tell X some other arbitrary acceleration value that isn't from either of those files
[15:36] <Cosmoe> this appears to only happen at login though
[15:37] <Cosmoe> so i can then run my script to xset the mouse settings BACK to what i actually want them as again
[15:40] <williammw> i had that problem with my NAS.
[15:41] <_Pete_> hey everyone
[15:41] <_Pete_> I want to thank you
[15:41] <williammw> hello pete
[15:41] <_Pete_> this xfce/xubuntu is excellent
[15:42] <williammw> i like the Xfce better also
[15:43] <williammw> this is my second distro install
[15:43] <_Pete_> after this kde3->4 and now gnome->whatever force update
[15:43] <_Pete_> this is just the only option
[15:46] <williammw> i found gnome to be a lil touchy, and in the future i hope to build some more flavors.
[15:47] <_Pete_> yes but with newest ubuntu
[15:47] <_Pete_> you are forced to gnome3
[15:47] <_Pete_> that is totally sucks
[15:47] <_Pete_> like was force kde3 to kde4
[15:48] <williammw> lol true
[15:50] <Sysi> yeah, forcing people out of 90s
[15:50] <Sysi> I never liked kde3 or gnome2 but xfce is still awesome
[15:51] <_Pete_> I liked and still like kde3 best
[15:51] <_Pete_> unfortunatelly it is not easy to use with modern ubuntu
[16:25] <ElderDryas> Sign number 314159 that the world is about to end...tonight my sister is abandoning Windows and installing Xubuntu. What's next?
[16:26] <TheSheep> Abandoning Xubuntu and buying a mac
[16:26] <charlie-tca> Wonders never cease...
[16:26] <ElderDryas> She uses Macs at work, doesn't really like them
[16:26] <ElderDryas> Besides, she's cheap
[16:28] <ElderDryas> So, I've got my work cut out for me tonight...She's using the Desktop to talk to me while she installs on her laptop.  Time to stock up on caffine.
[16:28] <ElderDryas> I noticed that the daily's haven't changed since Monday....
[16:29] <ElderDryas> I take that to mean 1) the ISO is really in it's final form; or 2) Everything is broke and they are starting over.
[16:30] <charlie-tca> they better have
[16:31] <charlie-tca> we just got new desktop images today, and the alternate image should be dated yesterday (2011-10-11)
[16:32] <ElderDryas> OK, I was looking at the daily-live
[16:33] <charlie-tca> we just got new ones for daily-live dated 2011-10-12
[16:34] <ElderDryas> yeah, you rat...let me open my big mouth and then you shove my foot in it :(
[16:34] <ElderDryas> hit refresh and BOOM :)
[16:36] <charlie-tca> That's because I run 10 tests for each new image they put out this week
[16:47] <Sysi> you don't like mac, you just get job done with it
[16:53] <ElderDryas> Sysi: It's my sister, she hasn't made sense since she was 5
[16:54] <Sysi> not bad
[16:55] <Sysi> oneiric installation is pretty fast on virtualbox on ssd
[16:59] <penalvch> Sysi, how do you like SSD v. HDD? Any special configurations you had to perform before running Xubuntu virtual or native w/ SSD?
[16:59] <Sysi> you basically don't need to, but there are some tweak you can do if you want
[17:00] <Sysi> noatime,discard to fstab and elevator=noop to kernel options
[17:02] <Sysi> oneiric is like iphone 4S, looks ~exactly the same but everyone tells you it's new and fancier :P
[17:03] <ElderDryas> Sysi: Nah, they moved some stuff around in the menu(s)
[17:17] <gregounours> hi all, could I get help troubleshooting my mic. I am running xu 11.04 on a dell c400
[17:23] <gregounours> Oh yeah, All those offer of help. I am filling the love :-)
[17:23] <gregounours> feeling :-)
[17:23] <TheSheep> !audio
[17:23] <TheSheep> see that second link
[17:24] <TheSheep> not everything from it applies to xubuntu, but there are some things you can try
[17:26] <gregounours> Thanks. Part of the problem I believe is that for some reason gnome stuff is running in the back gtoung including sound related stuff like volume control
[17:26] <gregounours> amixer sget mic gives me the following:
[17:27] <gregounours> Simple mixer control 'Mic',0   Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined cvolume cvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined cswitch cswitch-exclusive penum   Capture exclusive group: 0   Playback channels: Mono   Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right   Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Capture 0 - 15   Mono: Playback 21 [68%] [-3.00dB] [off]   Front Left: Capture 1 [7%] [1.50dB] [off]   Front Right: Capture 1 [7%] [1.50dB] [off]
[17:27] <TheSheep> open the mixer and unmute the mic
[17:34] <gregounours> Ok added mic to mixer, un muted, tried recording using arecord but did not work. I do hear my self though
[17:34] <gregounours> menaing that the mic picks up sound and sent them striaght to the speakers
[17:38] <TheSheep> gregounours: you can try installing padevchooser
[17:38] <TheSheep> gregounours: and selecting the right source for your application
[17:42] <gregounours> it's installing pulseaudio
[17:42] <gregounours> I was trying to stay away from it
[17:42] <gregounours> but we'll see
[17:43] <gregounours> :-)
[17:43] <TheSheep> um, pulseaudio should be installed by default in xubuntu
[17:44] <gregounours> I removed it in an attempt to amke things work
[17:44] <gregounours> :-)
[17:45] <gregounours> should i run padevchooser in from terminal?
[17:46] <TheSheep> or from menu
[17:46] <TheSheep> doesn't matter
[17:46] <TheSheep> you should see it in the system tray
[17:48] <gregounours> it is but it detect no device
[17:49] <TheSheep> is pulseaudio running?
[17:51] <gregounours> it is
[17:52] <gregounours> well may be not
[17:52] <gregounours> let me check task monitor
[17:52] <TheSheep> it normally starts when you log in
[17:52] <TheSheep> but if you just installed it, you might need to run it manually
[17:53] <gregounours> ok i just did run pulseaudio
[17:53] <ubuntu_> hello
[17:54] <ball> Does Xubuntu know or care whether an amd64 system has ECC RAM?
[17:54] <TheSheep> ball: it will show in lshw
[17:54] <gregounours> and it shows in task manager "pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog"
[17:54] <TheSheep> gregounours: ok, still no device?
[17:55] <ball> TheSheep: thanks.  For corrected memory errors, are those reported to the OS?
[17:55] <TheSheep> ball: I have no idea, but I think they are handled internally
[17:56] <TheSheep> ball: by the memory chip itself
[17:56] <ball> I imagine they're handled by the chipset... I was interested more in reporting.
[17:57] <gregounours> I quit and restarted padevchooser no change
[17:57] <gregounours> as I said earlier I have a bunch of gnome audio stuff running that dome from I don't know where as I installed Xubuntu from the cd
[17:58] <TheSheep> gregounours: but aumix/alsamixer shows it just fine?
[17:58] <gregounours> yeah
[17:58] <TheSheep> that's weird
[17:58] <gregounours> alsmixer seems to work alright
[17:58] <TheSheep> how about pavucontrol?
[17:59] <TheSheep> also, does the program you use for recording have an option to select with device to use?
[18:05] <gregounours> well I was trying to use skype
[18:05] <gregounours> but even using arecord in terminal nothing gets recorded
[18:09] <TheSheep> skype has config for which device to use, *if* you don't have pulseaudio installed
[18:09] <TheSheep> otherwise it uses pulseaudio automatically, afair
[19:31] <gregounours> How do I stop Gnone related processes to start
[19:32] <gregounours> they got installed when I added some program
[19:32] <gregounours> and i can't get rid oif them
[19:33] <gregounours> I tried the "application autostart" route to no avail
[19:33] <ElderDryas> There is a Settings Manager>Sessions and Startup>Advanced>Launch GNOME services...but I'm not sure that's what you are talking about.
[19:33] <gregounours> That's unchecked
[19:34] <gregounours> If you tell me where I can copy my process list I can pist it
[19:34] <gregounours> Can't seem to be able to do it from task Manager
[19:40] <gregounours> :-(
[19:48] <xrdodrx> gregounours, ps aux > file in a terminal will output the list of running processes to a file called `file' in the current directory, usually your home folder
[19:48] <xrdodrx> you can then paste this list into paste.ubuntu.com or pastebin.com
[19:56] <ElderDryas> Is there going to be a #ubuntureleaseparty (or whatever it's called) this release?
[19:56] <gregounours> http://paste.ubuntu.com/706957/
[19:57] <gregounours> As you can see there is all kind of gvfs stuff in there
[19:58] <gregounours> as well as 3 gnome entries
[19:59] <gregounours> ElderDryas > you can alwways organize one :-)
[20:00] <ElderDryas> nah, then everyone will drink MY beer..."Oh I forgot to bring some, maybe next time" :)
[20:01] <charlie-tca> !isitout
[20:01] <charlie-tca> that one?
[20:02] <ElderDryas> that one!
[20:02] <charlie-tca> I won't go near it
[20:02] <ElderDryas> I might, to drink THEIR beer.
[20:03] <ElderDryas> Anyone taking bets on who gets booted first for "IS It Out Yet?" too many times?
[20:35] <gregounours> So anybody as a sec to look at my dump?
[20:36] <gregounours> I am reposting: http://paste.ubuntu.com/706957/
[22:01] <gNewPower> hi! is is possible to remove the text under the icons shown on the desktop? thanks
[22:04] <charlie-tca> why?
[22:05] <gNewPower> just because I don't need the text under them
[22:05] <charlie-tca> gNewPower: Do you have a way to identify what the icon is for when there are three or four the same?
[22:05] <gNewPower> I only have 2 icons
[22:06] <charlie-tca> I don't have any way to remove the text, but you could make it as small a font as possible, probably 6pt
[22:06] <gNewPower> ok
[22:06] <gNewPower> thanks
[22:06] <gNewPower> brb
[22:41] <gNewPower> back
[22:42] <gNewPower> charlie-tca, how about making the background of the text under the icons transparent?  I don't really mind the text itself, as the white bubble in which it sits and which contrasts very heavily with my darker desktop wallpaper.  thanks!
[22:48] <charlie-tca> I guess you could modify the theme for that, if it is that important
[22:51] <ElderDryas> gNewPower: If you have only two icons on the desktop, hy not just drop them on the panel, and get rid of all icons on the desktop?
[22:51] <ElderDryas> no icons == no bubble
[23:26] <gNewPower> ElderDryas, you are right
[23:26] <gNewPower> thanks
[23:26] <gNewPower> idea adopted :-)
[23:27] <gNewPower> uh. drag-n-drop did not work
[23:27] <gNewPower> that's ok, I will find the way to do so
[23:42] <ElderDryas> gNewPower: Sorry, was at the party :)  Grab the icon (from the menu), hold it, move it around the panel until a small + shows up on the icon, then drop it.
[23:43] <ElderDryas> But if it's a data file, not an app, it won't work, unfortunately.
[23:43] <gNewPower> hey ElderDryas no probs, and thanks a lot.  btw - Xubuntu really is fantastic.  I will hang out more around here I think. cya
[23:43] <gNewPower> np
[23:43] <ElderDryas> good luck and have fun...
[23:44] <gNewPower> I am, I am ;-)
[23:48] <xrdodrx> gNewPower, hold up, I'm sure I saw a way somewhere...
[23:49] <gNewPower> xrdodrx, no worry, I just removed em pesty icons :-)
[23:49] <gNewPower> but thanks for that deluge of kind help :-)  I like this channel as much as I like the distro
[23:50] <xrdodrx> yeah, I only knew the way to remove the "backgrounds" behind the icon text :(
[23:50] <ElderDryas> gNewPower: You just have to ask questions that we know the answers too...ask a hard one and you're on your own :)
[23:50] <xrdodrx> In xfce 4.10 xfdesktop is going away and thunar is becoming the desktop manager :D
[23:51] <ElderDryas> Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[23:51] <xrdodrx> sadly it's not public until january and might not make it into LTS
[23:51] <xrdodrx> :s
[23:51] <gNewPower> xrdodrx, and that way was how?
[23:52] <xrdodrx> gNewPower, make a file called ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and put style "xfdesktop-icon-view" { XfdesktopIconView::label-alpha = 0 } in it
[23:53] <xrdodrx> and widget_class "*XfdesktopIconView*" style "xfdesktop-icon-view"
[23:53] <gNewPower> and then, don't I have to restart something?
[23:54] <xrdodrx> gNewPower, simply logging out and in should do it...
[23:54] <gNewPower> k
[23:54] <gNewPower> thanks