[00:18] <ryanakca> Riddell: You upload with the attachment feature under the new post, the image's url will be http://www.kubuntu.org/files/<filename>
[00:19] <Riddell> ryanakca: I worked that out but last I looked it hadn't picked up all the images
[00:19] <Riddell> or rather they keep changing randomly
[00:19] <Riddell> so something wasn't synced
[00:19] <ryanakca> Riddell: Cache maybe? I'm about to head off, but I'll look at it in the morning. On http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-platform-workspaces-and-applications-472 I assume?
[00:20] <Riddell> on news/release-11.10
[00:20] <Riddell> which isn't published yet
[00:20] <Riddell> I haven't checked it for a few hours maybe it's fixed itself
[00:21] <ryanakca> I seem to recall images not working right from the admin interface, but working once published. Not quite sure, I'll let you know.
[00:47] <ScottK> claydoh: In the overall one, yes.
[00:50] <Riddell> DVDs tested, time to snooze, send me a text if we suddenly release early
[01:11] <ScottK> claydoh: Graphics on the kmail thing would be great.
[02:52]  * ScottK notes a few tests still needing doing and goes to bed.
[08:48] <apachelogger> hum
[08:48] <apachelogger> so I got the diaspora begging for money mail once more
[08:48] <apachelogger> Dear Friend of Diaspora* - 
[08:48] <apachelogger> We love you. Yes. Really, we do. 
[08:53] <apachelogger> ScottK: I thought akonaditray is seeded? cause I  do not have it here on my new system
[09:01] <valorie> damn, I'm trying to install into a vm with the alternate
[09:01] <valorie> and now it won't reboot
[09:02] <valorie> after those hours of gah
[09:03] <valorie> won't die either
[09:04] <valorie> zombie virtualbox
[09:11] <valorie> bleah, second night in a row testing is a fail
[09:11] <valorie> niters all
[09:25] <apachelogger> valorie: I'd blame vbox on that, native tests seem to have gone well
[09:25] <apachelogger> valorie: anywho, testing is signed off for release soo we are now moving towards public announcement 
[09:27] <GirlyGIrl> apachelogger: the 12 iso?
[09:28] <Riddell> yay
[09:28] <apachelogger> GirlyGIrl: yes
[09:29] <GirlyGIrl> Nice the #ubuntu-release-party is going crazy and flooded with chatter
[09:30] <nigelb> heh
[09:30] <nigelb> flooded is the right word
[09:30] <apachelogger> hm
[09:30] <apachelogger> why did I just click there
[09:30] <apachelogger> Oo
[09:31] <apachelogger> oh well, might as well stay for the party
[10:20] <Riddell> so, release banner
[10:20] <Riddell> GirlyGIrl did this one http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/bannerdbb.png
[10:20] <Riddell> which is not quite the right size
[10:20] <Riddell> and this one http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/bannerhrl.png which looks a bit squashed in places
[10:21] <Riddell> GirlyGIrl: do you have a .xcf file for that large one?
[10:21] <GirlyGIrl> Riddell: No png
[10:29] <sheytan> Riddell i will do one
[10:29] <sheytan> quick
[10:31] <Riddell> you have about half an hour :)
[10:38] <sheytan> will do it ;d
[10:39] <Riddell> sheytan: 941x231 seems to be the required size
[10:39] <Riddell> sorry
[10:39] <Riddell> 946x231
[10:39] <sheytan> Riddell i do the same as it's now (one i made for 11.04)
[10:40] <Riddell> ryanakca or anyone, do we want to be poking sysadmins about the wiki theme today?
[10:50] <sheytan> Riddell http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8760/1110d.png
[10:50] <sheytan> just replace the image on the server. Don't edit any position of it, should be fine :)
[10:51] <Riddell> cor, thanks
[10:51] <sheytan> welcome
[10:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: please run that through a png compression tool if you got time
[10:56] <apachelogger> way too large for the intartubes
[11:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: any recommended one?  I'm not getting much reduction
[11:00] <apachelogger> pngcrush does a good job
[11:01] <Riddell> doesn't change anything when I run it
[11:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: -brute
[11:01] <apachelogger> indeed
[11:01] <apachelogger> that is strange
[11:02] <apachelogger> oh
[11:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: open with gwenview and save it from there ^^
[11:02] <apachelogger> gimp's png exporter is all sorts of weird
[11:02] <apachelogger> (and partially broken actually IIRC)
[11:03] <Riddell> wow, gwenview cut it down to 1/4 of the size, agateau for compression king
[11:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/1110d.gwenview.new.png
[11:04] <apachelogger> gwenview and pngcrush brute  = 142k
[11:04] <apachelogger> that seems sensible for a graphic of that dimension
[11:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you try optipng already?
[11:05] <apachelogger> I think jt likes to use that
[11:05] <Riddell> I have not tried it
[11:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok, I am giving that a shot
[11:06] <apachelogger> maybe it can squeeze a couple more kb out of it :)
[11:06] <Riddell> your concern for canonical's bandwidth is appreciated :)
[11:08] <apachelogger> :P
[11:08] <apachelogger> the user's 'time to website' is also a concern ^^
[11:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: 0.07% reduction, so I guess 142k is as small as it gets
[11:35] <ryanakca> Riddell: Yes
[11:35] <ryanakca> Riddell: Shall I prod?
[11:35] <apachelogger> oh cool
[11:35] <apachelogger> kgamma deb is empty
[11:35] <apachelogger> whooo
[11:35] <ryanakca> They said they'd be willing to flip the switch on the theme today.
[11:35] <apachelogger> someone broke kgamma
[11:37] <apachelogger> ryanakca: give them the long stick of fluff :P
[11:37]  * apachelogger installs bzr
[11:37] <ryanakca> Riddell: It also looks like you got images to work?
[11:41] <Riddell> ryanakca: yes, I had to ask for a manual sync
[11:42] <apachelogger> no one uploaded kubuntu-dev-tools? :(
[11:54] <debfx> hm, should we upload oxygen-icons? it only has one change: http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1255155
[11:55] <debfx> seems not worth it to me
[11:56] <ScottK> apachelogger: It's not a separate package (akonaditray).
[11:56] <apachelogger> ah
[11:56] <apachelogger> indeed
[11:56] <apachelogger> thx
[11:57] <Riddell> debfx: if you notice where this icon is used and it looks bad then it could be updated, but otherwise not too important
[11:57] <Riddell> ryanakca: a prod on the wiki theme would be good
[11:57] <ryanakca> Riddell: Alright
[12:00] <apachelogger> Riddell, debfx: just put the changed icon into debian/ and overwrite the old with the new version?
[12:01] <debfx> apachelogger: everyone would still have to download 16MB for one updated icon that I've never seen
[12:04] <apachelogger> debdelta :P
[12:04] <apachelogger> debfx: the icon is used in the nntp akonadi resource
[12:05] <apachelogger> usenet stuff that is I think
[12:05] <yofel> o/
[12:05] <debfx> usenet in akonadi, yuk!
[12:06] <yofel> apachelogger: you fixing kgamma?
[12:06] <apachelogger> debfx: I am not sure it matters though
[12:06] <apachelogger> as IIRC kiconloader will ignore both .svgz and .png, thus probably also the combination of those two
[12:06] <apachelogger> yofel: I started then I got distracted by something or someone
[12:06] <apachelogger> ah, right, kdevtools install
[12:07] <yofel> k
[12:07] <yofel> and re kubuntu-dev-tools, since we're notoriously bad at uploading that - got an idea where to put a daily build of that?
[12:08] <apachelogger> debfx: interstingly enough in akonadi I get the new icon and not the old one
[12:09] <ryanakca> yofel: Links should be fixed in the wiki theme
[12:10]  * yofel tries
[12:10] <ryanakca> Click on your username in the navigation bar to get to your preferences (same as on wiki.u.c)
[12:10]  * yofel hugs ryanakca
[12:10] <yofel> now the theme's great ;)
[12:11] <ryanakca> yofel: Alright, I'll prod to have them flip the switch, thanks :)
[12:12] <Quintasan> wendar: Did you receive the invoice?
[12:14] <jussi> ryanakca: kubuntu-light? 
[12:14] <ryanakca> jussi: Yes
[12:14] <jussi> ryanakca: looks pretty good here (when the wiki finally loads :P )
[12:15] <ryanakca> ;)
[12:15] <Quintasan> lol
[12:15] <Quintasan> w.k.o never fails to amuse me
[12:16] <Quintasan> 144 B/s
[12:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: still no release?
[12:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: not according to #ubuntu-release-party
[12:18] <apachelogger> lol, is that the official resource for release info? ^^
[12:19] <ryanakca> Hurray, kubuntu-light is now the default theme
[12:19] <Riddell> ryanakca: awooga!
[12:20] <CIA-130> [okular] Michal Zajac * 15 * debian/changelog New upstream release (LP: #872506)
[12:26] <Riddell> ryanakca: lovely, well done, great stuff
[12:26] <ryanakca> Riddell: Thanks
[12:37] <Mamarok> will there be any last minute updates?
[12:38] <Mamarok> or can I just go for a walk and congratulate you folks in advance for a great piece of work :)
[12:50] <Riddell> Mamarok: enjoy your walk :)
[12:55] <wendar> Quintasan: yes, and paid it by wire transfer
[12:56] <wendar> Quintasan: they estimated "3 days" for the transfer to complete, which would have put it completing by yesterday, but I can imagine it could take longer
[12:59] <Quintasan> wendar: I see
[13:00] <Quintasan> wendar: I'll let you know when I get it :)
[13:00] <debfx> we should really disable events in the clock applet: http://majewsky.wordpress.com/2011/10/10/reducing-the-memory-footprint-of-akonadi/
[13:05]  * Quintasan sometimes thinks this whole semantic crap should be killed with fire
[13:05] <Quintasan> same goes for Akonadi
[13:14] <debfx> not starting akonadi by default would be a huge step in the right direction :)
[13:14] <ScottK> Does it start be default or when something that needs it starts?
[13:16] <debfx> only when something needs it
[13:16] <ScottK> BTW, I got kdepim/runtime 4.4 built on oneiric.  About to test it.
[13:17] <ScottK> Then the problem is starting stuff that needs it.
[13:17] <debfx> which in a default install seems to be only the clock widget
[13:18] <ScottK> A clock widget that needs a relational database.
[13:19] <Riddell> voila http://www.kubuntu.org/
[13:20] <ScottK> There's a widget called simpleclock.
[13:20] <ScottK> Described as for the akonadi hater.
[13:26] <debfx> ScottK: there is an option in the clock widget to disable the akonadi stuff, so no need to switch the widget
[13:26] <ScottK> Thanks.
[13:31] <ScottK> Someone should change #kubuntu if it's not already.
[13:31] <maco> upgrade instructions are in the /topic already
[13:31] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[13:32] <Riddell> anyone want to e-mail kubuntu-users or shall I?
[13:32] <maco> boyfriend's sister is asking if she should upgrade because the button popped up. 
[13:32]  * maco snags release notes link
[13:32] <Riddell> maco: ooh that's good, means it's working
[13:32] <maco> i told her to either read the release notes and decide or wait til i do
[13:32]  * maco didnt dogfood
[13:33]  * maco loses developer hat
[13:33] <maco> hrmm release notes link isnt in /topic though
[13:34] <pascal> Release announcement is public. But download links are for 11.04 NOT 11.10
[13:34] <pascal> on kubuntu.org
[13:34] <maco> bahaha she said she's going to wait a few days. i told her given release day server load itd probably take 5 hours to download anyway. she said it claimed 12 minutes and she laughed at it
[13:34] <Riddell> pascal: mm
[13:35] <maco> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download#download-block here
[13:36]  * Riddell fixes
[13:36] <pascal> Riddell: Also the torrent links
[13:36] <GirlyGIrl> pascal: True but cdimage.ubuntu.com has the imaages
[13:37] <maco> GirlyGIrl: but when the release announcement points you wrong 5 ways to sunday...thats no good
[13:40] <GirlyGIrl> maco: Can't find i386 cd though
[13:40] <pascal> Riddell: all the new torrent links fail with a "Not found" apache message
[13:42] <zematynnad> < 4 mins. download on release day - Riddell thanks for fixing the link
[13:43] <apachelogger> oh
[13:43] <apachelogger> we got a release
[13:43] <apachelogger> how cute
[13:44] <ryanakca> Riddell: Do we handle our download block or does newz2000 still do it?
[13:45] <apachelogger> ryanakca: when do we get the new site theme?
[13:46] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Ask Darkwing, he was working on porting the wiki theme to Drupal
[13:46] <GirlyGIrl> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/11.10/release/  ... lacks many isos and besides the heading order is not nice ... mac amd64 first in the list?
[13:46] <apachelogger> Darkwing: ^
[13:46] <Riddell> ok how's this? https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[13:47] <Riddell> ryanakca: the stuff on that page we do, the redirect he does
[13:47] <GirlyGIrl> Do we no longer have a cd image or will that come later
[13:47]  * sheytan a bit dissappointed of this release :(
[13:47] <Riddell> GirlyGIrl: that's for the unimportant ones, important ones are on releases.u.c
[13:47] <Riddell> 14:47 < popey> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.org/files/11.10-release-banner.png
[13:47] <Riddell> 14:47 < popey> oneirc -> oneiric
[13:47] <Riddell> sheytan: ^^
[13:47] <Quintasan> sheytan: How so?
[13:48] <GirlyGIrl> Ah ok
[13:49] <sheytan> Riddell i meant no new stuff like printing, sharing kcms, apper is cooler then muon (imho), etc.
[13:49] <Mamarok> Riddell: thanks, it was a nice one :)
[13:49] <sheytan> The problem is, that we don't have any 'boom' for users
[13:49] <Mamarok> ang again, congrats for the release everyone :)
[13:49] <sheytan> we need to kick asses
[13:50] <Mamarok> and*
[13:50] <apachelogger> hahaha
[13:50] <sheytan> of course i'm happy of it, but there are things that need to change. And i will take care of that :)
[13:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: >=3 people looked at it and no one noticed ^^
[13:50] <ScottK> sheytan: Users will get pleanty of boom when they try kmail2.  Unfortunately not the good kind.
[13:50] <pascal> All the download links seem to work now :-)
[13:51] <sheytan> ScottK well, im running it from experimental on natty and works for me
[13:51] <Quintasan> sheytan: Also, how is Apper cooler than Muon, it's cooler in working randomlu
[13:52] <Quintasan> or crapping out whenever there is a conflict :O
[13:52] <ulysses> the KMail2 link has a typo in the known issues
[13:52] <ulysses> the link is /Kmail2 instead of /KMail2
[13:52] <ScottK> Fixed
[13:52] <ulysses> thanks
[13:52] <Riddell> mm, someone changed that back
[13:53] <apachelogger> sheytan: do we get a new graphic please
[13:53] <sheytan> Quintasan never noticed that :)
[13:53] <sheytan> why
[13:53] <apachelogger> sheytan: <Riddell> 14:47 < popey> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.org/files/11.10-release-banner.png
 14:47 < popey> oneirc -> oneiric
[13:53] <apachelogger> TYPO!
[13:53] <Quintasan> sheytan: o.n.e.i.r.i.c.k :P
[13:53] <sheytan> damn!
[13:53] <sheytan> wait
[13:53] <Riddell> sheytan: or just remove the code name, code names are generally for use before releases
[13:53] <Quintasan> Precise's going to be awesome
[13:54] <Quintasan> Release slogan:
[13:54] <Quintasan> Precisely folks, with utmost precision we have prepared a smashing LTS for you
[13:54] <apachelogger> sheytan: actually yeah, replacing the code name with 11.10 might be the best idea there
[13:54] <ScottK> sheytan: It works for some people, not for others.  Nowhere near production ready, IMO.
[13:55] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I like you started off using fancy words and then ended up with smashing :P
[13:55] <apachelogger> try s/smashing/fabolous/ :P
[13:55] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Doesn't "smashing" mean "very good" ?
[13:56] <apachelogger> yeah, however on a degree of fancyness smashing is somewhere between apachelogger-wouldnt-use-it-ever and apachelogger-would-use-it-if-his-life-dependent-on-it :P
[13:56] <Quintasan> apachelogger: It's "fabulous" actually :P
[13:56] <apachelogger> Quintasan: indeed
[13:57] <GirlyGIrl> Smashing means wonderful and impressive actually
[13:58]  * apachelogger apparenlty is doing the most ultimate jahava course ever this term around \\o/
[13:58] <Riddell> bug 873353 for sheytan :)
[13:59] <Quintasan> lol
[13:59] <apachelogger> it is an outrage
[13:59] <apachelogger> see that is a fancy word, unlike smashing :P
[14:00] <GirlyGIrl> I noticed that too but kept quiet
[14:00] <Quintasan> Let's replace it with "marvelous" then
[14:01] <apachelogger> wfm
[14:01] <Quintasan> or hmmm
[14:01]  * Quintasan looks for something
[14:01] <Quintasan> palatial
[14:01] <Quintasan> :O
[14:01] <apachelogger> fail
[14:01] <Quintasan> splendiferous?
[14:01] <apachelogger> lol
[14:01] <GirlyGIrl> Would be creative to strike out the mispelled word and place the corrected one after
[14:01] <Quintasan> or illustrious
[14:02]  * Quintasan likes splendiferous better
[14:02] <apachelogger> yeah, illustrious does not work for LTS at all
[14:04] <Quintasan> Ubuntu S-Series: Splendiferous Suni?
[14:05] <Quintasan> recipe for codename
[14:05] <Quintasan> 1. Look for hard to pronounce adjective
[14:05] <Quintasan> 2. Look for some obscure animal
[14:05] <Quintasan> 3. Combine
[14:06] <Quintasan> 4. ???????
[14:06] <Quintasan> 5. PROFIT
[14:06] <charlie-tca> I don't think they got to 5 yet
[14:06] <GirlyGIrl> Quintasan: Slimy Slug
[14:06] <Quintasan> GirlyGIrl: Doesn't sound too fancy :P
[14:07] <GirlyGIrl> Sure but its unique
[14:07] <apachelogger> also slug is a word used every other day :P
[14:07] <Quintasan> charlie-tca: well, the problem is, noone knows what's step 4 actually :P
[14:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Do you fancy a remote-controlled microwave?
[14:09] <apachelogger> yes
[14:09] <apachelogger> sheytan: Quintasan: do you have your tabs yet?
[14:09] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Nah, wendar said the wire transfer takes about 3 days but can take longer
[14:09] <Quintasan> Waiting for call from shop
[14:10] <Quintasan> (assuming we are talking about transformers)
[14:10] <Quintasan> :P
[14:10] <apachelogger> megatron!
[14:10] <Quintasan> OPTIMUS PRIME!
[14:10] <apachelogger> ohohohoh
[14:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: UX fail
[14:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: the main banner says download
[14:10] <apachelogger> but really it leads to the info page
[14:11] <wendar> aw, my favorite was always bumblebee
[14:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: what would you like?
[14:11] <apachelogger> it not to say download
[14:11] <apachelogger> or lead to downloa
[14:11] <apachelogger> d
[14:11] <Quintasan> OHSHI-
[14:11]  * Quintasan forgot about his driving license course
[14:11] <Quintasan> goddamn I'm late
[14:11] <Quintasan> bbl
[14:12] <apachelogger> :O
[14:12] <apachelogger> where is scott?
[14:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you know what the difference between amd64 and amd64mac is?
[14:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: one of them is for macs?
[14:13] <apachelogger> yeah, but how is it different
[14:13] <apachelogger> particularly could one install the amd64 version on a mac?
[14:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: halp!
[14:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: something to do with the bootloader maybe?  I'm not sure
[14:14] <GirlyGIrl> apachelogger: I think there is a bug fix in the "mac" iso ... there was an unbootable mac bug before
[14:15] <GirlyGIrl> mac's use EFI not MBR
[14:16] <sheytan> apachelogger: what tabs do you mean?
[14:19] <apachelogger> sheytan: tabs?
[14:20] <sheytan> apachelogger:  <apachelogger> sheytan: Quintasan: do you have your tabs yet?
[14:20] <apachelogger> ah
[14:20] <apachelogger> sorry
[14:20] <apachelogger> I meant shadeslayer
[14:21] <sheytan> ok 
[14:22] <GirlyGIrl> http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9355/1110releasebanner.png How is this I added the missing "i"
[14:23] <apachelogger> somehow the space before i seems bigger than after 
[14:23] <sheytan> Riddell: http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3049/1110z.png
[14:23] <apachelogger> or sheytan could just replace it with 11.10 :P
[14:23] <sheytan> apachelogger: there already is 11.10
[14:23] <sheytan> the big one
[14:23] <sheytan> no need for double 
[14:23] <apachelogger> sheytan: yes, but the oneiric ocelot is confusing
[14:24] <apachelogger> as we try only to use the name for the development series
[14:24] <apachelogger> not the final product
[14:24] <sheytan> this means?
[14:24] <sheytan> GirlyGIrl: Good job :D
[14:25] <apachelogger> sheytan: that it should not say oneiric ocelot
[14:25] <apachelogger> sheytan: you could just leave it out completely
[14:26] <sheytan> i did
[14:26] <apachelogger> oh
[14:26] <apachelogger> intarwebs is slow here
[14:26] <apachelogger> it is only half way loaded ^^
[14:26] <sheytan> but, if we shouldn't use the name, what is it for then?
[14:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: are you integrating it?
[14:26] <apachelogger> sheytan: no one knows
[14:26] <sheytan> rly? :D
[14:26] <apachelogger> yes
[14:26] <debfx> apachelogger: do you know if it's possible to change plasma widget settings in a global config file?
[14:27] <sheytan> so why take care of it every release?
[14:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[14:28] <apachelogger> debfx: no
[14:28] <Riddell> sheytan: code names are for use before release, but not generally after release
[14:28] <apachelogger> debfx: we can write a new script for init
[14:28] <apachelogger> that is all
[14:28] <apachelogger> plasma settings do not cascade via kiosk \o/
[14:28] <sheytan> Riddell asking again, what for? Can't we recognize it only using numbers?
[14:28] <apachelogger> though there were plans of sane kiosk support at some point
[14:29] <Riddell> sheytan: yes, numbers are the way to talk about versions after releases
[14:29] <apachelogger> sheytan: numbers are harder to write
[14:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: is Panwinkler a real Austrian surname?
[14:29] <apachelogger> sounds austrian
[14:30] <Riddell> sounds amusing :)
[14:30] <apachelogger> yeah
[14:31] <sheytan> ok, maybe i just don't get it. nvm :D
[14:33] <apachelogger> eh
[14:33] <apachelogger> bug in ubiquity
[14:33] <apachelogger> when you install and say quit you end up in a session rather than shutdown
[14:33] <apachelogger> -.-
[14:33] <apachelogger> sheytan: 11.10 is more writing work than oneiric
[14:33] <apachelogger> because you have to consult with the numbers part of the keyboard which is generally more straining
[14:34] <sheytan> apachelogger: not really :P
[14:34] <Riddell> at least people can spell 11.10
[14:34] <apachelogger> trust me it is
[14:34] <apachelogger> phonon also has names for versions
[14:34] <apachelogger> except we do not call products silly names
[14:35] <GirlyGIrl> New banner is not really centered ... site looks funny
[14:35] <sheytan> it would be better to call kubuntu only like 'ocelot' without anything else
 I'm not sure if this is the proper place to report this but... The release page says "...Please be aware of the known issues, as one effects upgrading."
 Shouldn't that be "*affects upgrading"?
[14:35] <maco> from #kubuntu. pretty sure that's correct
[14:36]  * GirlyGIrl thinks kubuntu.org would look better if it were a wordpress site
[14:38] <Riddell> maco: fixed
[14:38] <maco> tnx
[14:39] <Riddell> GirlyGIrl: yes the banner position isn't great but my HTML isn't good enough to fix it alas
[14:39] <Riddell> it's also too wide for the announce page
[14:39] <sheytan> WE NEED A NEW PAGE!  :D
[14:39] <sheytan> and no one can help me :(
[14:39] <debfx> apachelogger: that's quite bad, so we'd have to patch the code :/
[14:40] <GirlyGIrl> html is easy!  haven't used it for a long time though
[14:40] <Riddell> sheytan: what what?
[14:41] <sheytan> I've done a great page for kubuntu, but ofir don't had time to finish this. So all my work is unsuded now
[14:41] <Riddell> oh template?
[14:41] <sheytan> i even think that i could take the ubuntu theme from launchpad for drupal and start adding stuff into it
[14:41] <Riddell> ryanakca said that Darkwing was porting the wiki theme to Drupal
[14:42] <sheytan> i need to take care of that, really
[14:42] <sheytan> to finally fnish it
[14:42] <sheytan> and we need our own server, to not depent on canonical when we want to put new stuff on it
[14:42] <maco> Riddell: you can put <center>    ...    </center> around the link object that surrounds the image
[14:43] <maco> its not the *correct* way to do it with CSS and all, but its the way tht works without me having to sort out the floating divs that are blocking the correct way
[14:44] <Riddell> maco: golly you're right
[14:44] <GirlyGIrl> Riddell: Let alone the banner but see the announcement page itself this one is a major problem http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/4638/snapshot4f.png ... or is it my browser
[14:44] <GirlyGIrl> referring to the weird overlap
[14:44] <Riddell> GirlyGIrl: it's not just your browser
[14:45] <Riddell> GirlyGIrl: that just needs the banner made less wide, time for your gimp skills? 
[14:46] <GirlyGIrl> Riddell: But less wide= adverse effects on the main page
[14:46] <maco> GirlyGIrl: can have two images on the server at once
[14:46] <maco> just change the filename a bit when you make it smaller
[14:47] <maco> and then poke riddell to make the one that needs to be smaller point to the one that is smaller
[14:47] <maco> oh um or
[14:47] <maco> use height= and width=
[14:47] <maco> thats easier
[14:48] <maco> Riddell: on the announcements page, change where it has width="800" height="195" in the <img> tag to just say      style="width:100%"
[14:49] <maco> itll automatically make it just big enough to fit
[14:50] <wendar> Quintasan: I just got confirmation on my side that the transfer was "complete". May still be a delay until it officially shows up in the store's account.
[14:51] <Riddell> maco: that'll streth or shink the image which never looks good
[14:53] <BarkingFish> hi guys :)  Anyone here seeing any moans about the dist-upgrade?  I can't get mine to work :P
[14:53] <maco> Riddell: i just tried it live in my browser. looks fine to me
[14:53]  * maco <3 chrome's developer stuff being built-in
[14:54] <maco> it maintains aspect ratio if you only set one dimension
[14:54] <Riddell> BarkingFish: what's wrong with it?
[14:55] <maco> muon is taco, right?
[14:55] <GirlyGIrl> http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2559/bannershortened.png
[14:55] <BarkingFish> I get as far as the upgrade "Getting new software channels", it downloads about 104 packages, and then drops out with "Sorry - Kpackagekit: Process exited with code 1", Riddell 
[14:55] <GirlyGIrl> hmm no messed up gradient there
[14:55] <BarkingFish> then the upgrade stops and I drop back to kpackagekit
[14:56] <Riddell> maco: yes
[14:57] <Riddell> BarkingFish: sounds like a crash, look at logs in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ and file a bug
[14:57] <maco> hrmph. he's not online. 
[14:57] <BarkingFish> It's odd, Riddell - I just called back kpackagekit and I now have 1307 packages to upgrade :)
 what is this muon business? It looks cool. Is it cool?
 it appears to be like kpackagekit but with more features and pretty stuff
 ok, well I am interested in this muon, and wish to subscribe to its newsletter.
[14:57] <Riddell> BarkingFish: because it's looking at oneiric sources now, best not upgrade through kpackagekit though
[14:58] <BarkingFish> Well that's silly then, cause kpackagekit is what alerted me to the dist upgrade in the first place :)
[14:58] <BarkingFish> I clicked on the software update icon in the system tray, and offered me the link to upgrade through the program.
[15:02] <BarkingFish> Riddell, it's not a crash, it's a whole mess of broken packages 
[15:02] <BarkingFish> I'll pastebin my apt-log up for you, it's quite a mess
[15:03] <BarkingFish> http://paste.ubuntu.com/707377/
[15:03] <Riddell>  /var/log/dist-upgrade/ is more interesting
[15:03] <BarkingFish> Riddell, that's a folder, there are files inside it
[15:03] <BarkingFish> which do you want?
[15:04] <Riddell> a bug report with those files attached
[15:04] <BarkingFish> Ok, fair enough. I'll get on and file one :)
[15:06] <debfx> what do you guys think, is bug #873396 SRU material?
[15:06] <GirlyGIrl> Maybe this one for the release page http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/2559/bannershortened.png
[15:07] <Riddell> debfx: makes sense
[15:08] <Riddell> GirlyGIrl: hmm that gradient is gnarly
[15:08] <Riddell> I guess it needs the original source to shorten it
[15:08] <Riddell> sheytan_: would you be able to make a shorter version of the banner?
[15:08] <sheytan_> Riddell w8
[15:14] <sheytan_> Riddell http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/193/1110small.png
[15:16] <Riddell> lovely
[15:17] <BarkingFish> Riddell, right - the bug is up, I've attached everything from the dist-upgrade folder, so I'll leave it and see what happens.
[15:17] <BarkingFish> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kpackagekit/+bug/873411/
[15:21] <apachelogger> debfx: in reply to what was the badness?
[15:22] <debfx> apachelogger: not being able to change plasma defaults via config files
[15:22] <apachelogger> depends on what you want to do
[15:25] <debfx> apachelogger: bug #873396
[15:30] <LaserJock> maco: Amarok is sort of "3rd party" isn't it? Juk is the official KDE music player, no?
[15:30] <maco> LaserJock: i thought they were both on git.kde.org and therefore both "part of kde"
[15:30] <LaserJock> last time I looked they were just hosted at the same place
[15:31] <LaserJock> but if you look at the lists, it's Juk
[15:31] <maco> i thought being hosted by kde.org was what made something "a kde program"
[15:31] <LaserJock> I don't think so
[15:31] <maco> though i did see #kde-devel debating where lines should be drawn on "what's part of kde" last week
[15:31] <LaserJock> I think with the svn repo it was clearer maybe
[15:32] <Riddell> both Amarok and Juk are part of KDE
[15:32] <LaserJock> hmm, kde.org lists both
[15:32] <Riddell> they are both made by KDE
[15:32] <LaserJock> it used to be only Juk
[15:32] <LaserJock> interesting
[15:32] <Riddell> Juk is part of KDE SC while Amarok does its own releases but that has no bearing on anything
[15:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I can't until they patch up the kernel
[15:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what?
[15:49] <apachelogger> why?
[15:49] <apachelogger> but generally
[15:49] <apachelogger> how would you do it?
[15:49] <apachelogger> cause we were trying and are getting a grub-efi something error
[15:49] <apachelogger> from ubiquity
[15:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: in order to boot a alternate OS, you hold down the option key during boot and select the CD drive
[15:50] <shadeslayer> BUT
[15:50] <apachelogger> we are installing already
[15:50] <apachelogger> with bootcamp rubbish and whatnot
[15:50] <shadeslayer> uh how
[15:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i couldn't even get it to boot
[15:50] <shadeslayer> I got a "Could not find a live file system error"
[15:50] <Riddell> vorian bringing some sense to that kubuntu-devel thread :)
[15:51] <LaserJock> lol
[15:51] <maco> hahaha
[15:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I'm hit by bug 782389
[15:52] <shadeslayer> hence I cannot boot the ISO
[15:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dude, why doesn't https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active build for ARM till now
[15:58] <afiestas> congratulations for the release guys, awesome as always :)
[15:59] <Riddell> thanks afiestas, they did great
[16:00] <afiestas> Riddell: back in kubuntu business?
[16:01] <Riddell> afiestas: half back until UDS
[16:04] <maco> Riddell:  you wrote precious instead of precise
[16:05] <maco> did you turn into gollum?
[16:05] <GirlyGIrl> "Kubuntu-offtopic" topic needs to be changed to 11.10
[16:05] <Riddell> hah
[16:07]  * afiestas has been testing the workaround for "Ghost entries" for a few weeks, I think it is ready for backporting
[16:07] <afiestas> should I send the sha1 to kubuntu-devel ?
[16:07] <Riddell> afiestas: ghost entries in what?
[16:09] <afiestas> Riddell: in the taskbar
[16:09] <afiestas> one of the bugs mentioned in the release notes
[16:09] <allee> FWI aded to Kmail2 backup section: ~/Mail - Used by (very) old Kmail versions. (Still used when found). 
[16:10] <Riddell> thanks allee 
[16:10] <Riddell> afiestas: probably best to add it to the launchpad bug then (and maybe post kubuntu-devel for good measure)
[16:11] <afiestas> Riddell: in the release notes, there is no launchpad bug
[16:11] <afiestas> :/
[16:14] <Riddell> afiestas: just post to the mailing list then
[16:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: bulldog98 did either of you get multi touch to work on Kubuntu Active?
[16:17] <shadeslayer> ( on the exoPC )
[16:36] <yuriy> congratulations on another release!
[16:40] <yofel> maco: just btw. #kubuntu-offtopic isn't +t - I changed it
[16:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: multi touch of what?
[16:41] <maco> yofel: doh
[16:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: multi touch on the screen of the exoPC
[16:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: for what?
[16:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: for Kubuntu Active
[16:42] <apachelogger> active does multitouch?
[16:42] <apachelogger> for what?
[16:42] <shadeslayer> Don't ask me, I'm just the messenger
[16:42] <apachelogger> of whom
[16:42] <shadeslayer> I'll relay the question back
[16:43] <apachelogger> lol
[16:43] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ARM builders for Kubuntu Active PPA!!!!
[16:44] <GirlyGIrl> plasma active?
[16:44] <shadeslayer> !g plasma active
[16:44] <shadeslayer> brrr
[16:45] <shadeslayer> kubotu: google plasma active
[16:45] <kubotu> Results for plasma active: 1. Plasma/Active - KDE Community Wiki: http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active | 2. Plasma Active One released! | KDE.news: http://dot.kde.org/2011/10/09/plasma-active-one-released | 3. Plasma/Active/Installation - KDE Community Wiki: http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active/Installation
[16:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what?
[16:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the Kubuntu Active ppa does not have ARM builds
[16:49] <apachelogger> I know
[16:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: shouldn't we ask for ARM builders for that ppa?
[16:49] <apachelogger> dude
[16:49] <apachelogger> we are way ahead of you
[16:49] <shadeslayer> yes?
[16:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I was not informed of this, so no idea
[16:49] <apachelogger> :P
[16:49] <apachelogger> well
[16:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: please supply more information :P
[16:49] <apachelogger> you are not in the in-channels clearly
[16:49] <shadeslayer> clearly
[16:50] <shadeslayer> which channel would that be? :D
[17:03] <Nightrose> is Markus here by chance?
[17:04] <mgraesslin> congrats to the release
[17:04] <Nightrose> indeed - congrats
[17:04] <maco> hi Nightrose
[17:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: wait, you
[17:05] <Nightrose> heya
[17:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you're not going to UDS?
[17:48] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: You going to UDS?
[17:48] <shadeslayer> nope
[17:48] <Quintasan> What the...
[17:48] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I have my GRE on 2nd November
[17:48] <Quintasan> So it's only me, Darkwing and JT?
[17:48] <shadeslayer> can't miss that
[17:49] <Quintasan> IIRC Scott said he ain't going
[17:49] <shadeslayer> jussi isn't coming?
[17:49] <yofel> he did
[17:50] <shadeslayer> I probably won't be able to join remotely before 2nd as well
[17:50] <Quintasan> I can't really see him coming, I think his fork() process finished some time ago and he now oscilates between feed() and sleep()
[17:56]  * Quintasan wants his Transformer already :S
[18:01] <jussi> shadeslayer: nope, Im not going. wifes tummy is too big ;)
[18:01] <shadeslayer> ah
[18:01] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: same here
[18:02] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: altho, I'll have to travel halfway around the world to get it :P
[18:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://askubuntu.com/questions/37999/what-is-different-about-the-mac-iso-image
[18:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^
[18:03] <jussi> @config supybot.plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease 
[18:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I've seen that before, but EFI is actually pretty poorly supported
[18:05] <shadeslayer> ( On ubuntu that is )
[18:05] <shadeslayer> From what I understood with my explorations, you actually need to move some files to the OS X partition which has a EFI folder in /
[18:06] <shadeslayer> ( a efi boot executable script its called i think )
[18:06] <shadeslayer> on booting, EFI reads these scripts and then gives users a option to boot a alternate OS or OS X
[18:06] <yofel> jussi: just curious - why are we always on the stable release in here? (thanks for switching though)
[18:08] <jussi> yofel: because no one has reqested to be any other?
[18:08] <jussi> Its easily changeable
[18:08] <yofel> makes sense...
[18:10] <jussi> yofel: if I get a KC member saying to me please change it, I will. :=)
[18:10] <yofel> k
[18:16] <shadeslayer>   /* XXX: dear compiler, these are for you: */
[18:16] <shadeslayer> something i just found in a test ^^ :P
[18:16] <yofel> heh
[18:41] <jussi> yofel: thanks for being in #kubuntu to answer questions.
[18:41] <yofel> sure
[18:42] <Quintasan> yeah, thanks
[18:42] <Quintasan> I should start dropping there as well
[18:45] <GirlyGirl> yofel: Quintasan funny you should chose today to drop in its normally a rather dead channel
[18:45] <yofel> not that much - but today's release day ^^
[18:45] <Quintasan> GirlyGirl: It's because we are severly understaffed and can't be everywhere :P
[18:46] <GirlyGirl> I am aware ... I was saying that normally there are not many support questions from the users
[18:46] <jussi> its only cause their brains are already a mess on the carpet, so they cant get any worse...
[18:46] <jussi> :P
[19:39] <sheytan> Hey geeks
[19:40] <sheytan> do you know if cp command can log files that are unable to copy?
[19:42] <Quintasan> sheytan: It will tell you that it can't copy a file and will skip it
[19:42] <Quintasan> yofel: Do we have copypasta for bugs that should go to kde not launchpad?
[19:42] <sheytan> Quintasan: i need to copy files, skip the ones unable to copy (would be lots of that) and log the ones unable to copy
[19:44] <yofel> Quintasan: uh... JT had a stock responce IIRC, lemme look
[19:45] <yofel> Quintasan: something like that: http://paste.kde.org/133405
[19:46] <Quintasan> We could decide on a stock one at UDS
[19:46] <shadeslayer> Theres a wiki page with stock responses iirc
[19:47] <shadeslayer> I had it bookmarked ... used to work when i had < 10 bookmarks
[19:49] <yofel> the ubuntu bugsquad has one, but nothing on it for KDE bugs
[19:51] <yofel> Quintasan: as a reference - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[19:51] <Quintasan> Yeah, that's why we need one
[19:52] <shadeslayer> you could just add to it
[19:54] <yofel> shadeslayer, Quintasan_ as a matter of fact: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Responses
[19:54] <yofel> just found it...
[19:54] <yofel> it's linked from https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/LucidBugTriagePolicy
[20:18] <yofel> heh, the adobe flash KCM ends up in Lost and Found
[20:20] <shadeslayer> yofel: old :P
[20:21] <shadeslayer> fun thing is, they even have a android entry now
[20:21] <shadeslayer> which just opens up a web page
[20:21] <yofel> ^^
[20:21] <shadeslayer> i mean wth is wrong with adobe -.-
[20:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you still haven't told me what the right channel is :P
[20:40] <Daskreech> Sorry for not being around for support guys
[20:41] <Daskreech>  Has there been anyone gathering Kubuntu reviews for the website?
[20:41] <yofel> Daskreech: any ati konwledge?
[20:41] <Daskreech> yofel: Some I've run ATI cards for the past 7 years
[20:41] <shadeslayer> yofel: whats wrong with ATI ?
[20:41] <yofel> see #kubuntu - I'm not quite sure what to do
[20:42] <yofel> re Yours3lf
[20:42] <Daskreech> Who has the problem?
[20:42] <Daskreech> ok
[20:45]  * Darkwing raises his eyebrows
[20:53] <maco> how do i change what browser is launched when i use launchpadlib? it keeps launching konqueror or rekonq or something that doesnt want to load past the part where i log into lp
[20:53] <maco> but i need to get to the part whre i authorize launchpadlib
[20:55] <maco> oh. i have to hard code a browser in default applications
[20:56] <Riddell> konqueror and rekonq work fine for launchpad authentication for me
[20:57] <yofel> for me too
[20:57] <yofel> it's usually the kwallet backend of python-keyring that crashes here
[21:05] <Darkwing> This little thread is fun to read.
[21:10] <ryanakca> Daskreech: We were once upon a time, they vanished when we migrated to Ofir's theme a couple of years ago.
[21:16] <Riddell> archives running slow tonight
[21:17] <yofel> the archives are somewhat fine, except archive.canonical.com, that's almost down
[21:20] <Riddell> mm, and gb.archive points to that, time to move to France
[21:23] <dtchen> or right into the DC
[21:23] <Riddell> hmm, this Markus guy is pretty nasty in his e-mails
[21:23] <dtchen> yeah, reminds me of Lennart P ;-)
[21:28] <Riddell> any more flamebait e-mails from him and I'll remove him from the list
[21:39] <Darkwing> I'm a bit confused though... as downstream and a distro, isn't our objective to provide the best distro we can to the users?
[21:40] <yofel> "The Kontact team is horribly understaffed."
[21:40] <yofel> rolf
[21:40] <yofel> like we aren't
[21:40] <Darkwing> I know we pride ourselves as being as close to upstream as we are but, our priorities should be to the user because we are a distro.
[21:40] <Darkwing> LOL
[21:40] <yofel> *rofl
[21:41] <dtchen> Darkwing: I think there has been confusion in how "pristine" (or close) to upstream Kubuntu is
[21:41] <Darkwing> yofel: I did like the rolf thing though :P:P
[21:41] <yofel> Daskreech: it reminds me on the kdelibs-4.8 thread on kde-core-devel
[21:41] <yofel> :P
[21:41] <yofel> argh, tab fail, sry Daskreech
[21:41] <Darkwing> dtchen: Reguardless... Our goal should be toward the user...
[21:42] <dtchen> my opinion is that it should go without saying that Kubuntu serves its users, not its upstreams. No upstream bootstraps its own UEFI handler.
[21:42] <maco> dtchen: the pristineness policy states that upstream has to agree to the patches before we'll integrate them. it doesnt include that upstream has to also integrate them though
[21:42] <yofel> Darkwing: if you didn't read the kdelibs-4.8 thread - it was about where distro people that contribute to kdelibs should put their code. Which as essentially Kevin Kofler saying that he doesn't care about kde platform 5, but about a kdelibs-4.8 release as a distro guy
[21:43] <Darkwing> yofel: :D Yeah, I'm remembering that.
[21:43] <dtchen> maco: right, and I don't think that was even raised in the flamewar on k-d.
[21:43] <Darkwing> I'm just saying that we *should* provide what is the most stable and best for the end user.
[21:43] <yofel> and I agree there, even today a had an argument in -offtopic about kde lacking quality control
[21:43] <dtchen> i.e., a lot of hoopla over egotism
[21:43] <Darkwing> :D
[22:43] <Riddell> ooh, foul language from afiestas
[22:45] <Darkwing> ROCK ON ryanakca, the new Kubuntu Wiki Theme is EPIC! ++
[22:47] <Riddell> Darkwing: sheytan deserves similar capitalised words for doing the artwork :)
[22:47] <Darkwing> Oh right!
[22:47] <yofel> true
[22:47] <yofel> ryanakca++
[22:47] <Darkwing> sheytan: You are amazing!!!!
[22:47] <yofel> sheytan++
[22:47] <Darkwing> I will actually use wiki.kubuntu.org now.
[23:12] <maco> Riddell: need to drag afiestas by the ear to a elder him
[23:12] <maco> s/ a //
[23:12] <kubotu> maco meant: "Riddell: need to drag afiestas by the ear toelder him"
[23:17] <Riddell> I'm not sure draggings by ear is how eldering is done :)
[23:18] <Riddell> more "perhaps our Friend would like to discuss this ministry outside the meeting"
[23:18] <maco> well that way he's taken aside instead of you doing it in front of others, see?
[23:18] <maco> i guess maybe "FRIEND, i will see YOU over HERE" could start it...
[23:18] <Riddell> aco the Grumpy Elder 
[23:19] <Riddell> s/aco/Maco/
[23:19] <kubotu> Riddell meant: "Maco the Grumpy Elder"
[23:19] <Riddell> :)
[23:19] <maco> i hear a very stern "FRIEND" at the beginning of a sentence is how you know you're in trouble :P
[23:21] <yofel> btw... what was the difference between "KDE Platform" and "KDE Frameworks" again o.O?
[23:22] <Riddell> yofel: KDE Frameworks is the new term
[23:23] <Riddell> KDE Platform is older term and kde libraries is older still
[23:23] <Riddell> I can't remember the reasoning for the change now
[23:23] <Riddell> hmm, Markus just posted again, should I take him off the list?
[23:24] <yofel> http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.7.2.php talks about "Development platform"
[23:24]  * yofel is utterly confused
[23:25] <Riddell> yofel: I think the KDE Frameworks term is due to come into use for KDE Frameworks 5
[23:25] <yofel> k
[23:25] <Riddell> you know it's fun hanging out here again
[23:26] <Riddell> big shame Scott and harald are all burnt out
[23:26] <Riddell> I'll need to take extra care with the rest of you :)
[23:27] <Riddell> hmm, maybe I should just block the whole thread
[23:27] <Riddell> shame since it's an important topic
[23:28]  * yofel would rather have it ongoing - if people would calm down
[23:28] <Riddell> now I know how Mamarok feels modering kubuntu-users
[23:38] <Mamarok> Riddell: what thread are you folks talking about?
[23:39] <Riddell> Mamarok: UDS/kmail 2 one on kubuntu-devel
[23:40] <Mamarok> right...
[23:43] <Mamarok> since when is Juk THE default music player? Wishfull thinking mayb?
[23:43]  * yofel has never used juk
[23:43] <Darkwing> The heck is juk?
[23:44] <yofel> hm, not particulary bad - but I still prefer amarok
[23:44] <yofel> !info juk
[23:44] <maco> Darkwing: i think its like the kde version of xmms
[23:44] <Darkwing> maco: ahhhh, ewww....
[23:45] <maco> Riddell: just because im hanging out here and occasionally piping up doesnt mean i lack a burnout too
[23:45] <Riddell> Mamarok: worryingly enough this person is the k3b maintainer
[23:45] <Mamarok> I know but his tome is in no way better on the KDE lists, that guy is full of ME KNOWS BETTER
[23:45] <Mamarok> tone*
[23:46] <maco> Mamarok: so he's a walking flamewar
[23:46] <maco> afiestas probably DOES owe him an apology though
[23:46] <Mamarok> Amarok is shipped as the default KDE media player since ages by pretty much all distros, all also offer Juk, but the users preference goes to Amarok, clearly
[23:47] <Mamarok> well, I think afiestas is sick of having that guy starting flamewars everywhere
[23:47] <maco> just because the one's gone off doesnt mean another needs to
[23:47] <Riddell> maco: hugs to you too then, although I think that's due to other areas of Ubuntu then Kubuntu so I get to feel less guilty
[23:47] <Mamarok> true that, though
[23:47] <maco> Riddell: indeed. ive never been all that helpful with kubuntu :P
[23:47] <Riddell> so should I remove Markus from the list?
[23:48] <Mamarok> that's up to you
[23:49] <Mamarok> and the KDE experience provided by Kubuntu is rather good, I have seen worse :)
[23:50]  * Riddell hugs Mamarok 
[23:50] <yofel> for kdepim I would go Scott's way, put 4.4 somewhere where you can use it if you want to
[23:50] <Riddell> and now we even have a user who likes KMail 2, there's an unexpected twist
[23:51] <Darkwing> Riddell: I would say that if we remove him then, we have to remove those who were also out of line. OR, we can get an email out to those violators and let them know that they are on a final warning, point them to the policies and see what happens.
[23:51] <yofel> well, I can agree with Ingo so far that Kmail2 works fine for me - after a huge amount of fiddling around and puring the akonadi DB at least onc
[23:51] <yofel> *once
[23:51] <Mamarok> where Markus us wrong is that he thinks Kubuntu devs are payed or their work... that guy is not very well informed
[23:52] <yofel> hm, I should be sleeping
[23:53] <Mamarok> me too :)
[23:53]  * yofel is off to bed - good night
[23:53] <Riddell> sweet dreams continental europeans
[23:53] <yofel> happy remaining release day for those where it's still the 13th ;)
[23:53] <maco> Mamarok: i pointed out helpfully that there were NO paid workers this round
[23:53] <maco> because we were down a Riddell and technically agateau's DX not Desktop 
[23:54] <Riddell> I think that's more than a technicality
[23:54] <Riddell> for now, he keeps talking about a rotation
[23:54] <maco> oh