[00:18] Riddell: You upload with the attachment feature under the new post, the image's url will be http://www.kubuntu.org/files/ [00:19] ryanakca: I worked that out but last I looked it hadn't picked up all the images [00:19] or rather they keep changing randomly [00:19] so something wasn't synced [00:19] Riddell: Cache maybe? I'm about to head off, but I'll look at it in the morning. On http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-platform-workspaces-and-applications-472 I assume? [00:20] on news/release-11.10 [00:20] which isn't published yet [00:20] I haven't checked it for a few hours maybe it's fixed itself [00:21] I seem to recall images not working right from the admin interface, but working once published. Not quite sure, I'll let you know. [00:47] claydoh: In the overall one, yes. [00:50] DVDs tested, time to snooze, send me a text if we suddenly release early [01:11] claydoh: Graphics on the kmail thing would be great. [02:52] * ScottK notes a few tests still needing doing and goes to bed. === GirlyGirl is now known as Alysha === Alysha is now known as GirlyGIrl [08:48] hum [08:48] so I got the diaspora begging for money mail once more [08:48] Dear Friend of Diaspora* - [08:48] We love you. Yes. Really, we do. [08:53] ScottK: I thought akonaditray is seeded? cause I do not have it here on my new system [09:01] damn, I'm trying to install into a vm with the alternate [09:01] and now it won't reboot [09:02] after those hours of gah [09:03] won't die either [09:04] zombie virtualbox [09:11] bleah, second night in a row testing is a fail [09:11] niters all [09:25] valorie: I'd blame vbox on that, native tests seem to have gone well [09:25] valorie: anywho, testing is signed off for release soo we are now moving towards public announcement [09:27] apachelogger: the 12 iso? [09:28] yay [09:28] GirlyGIrl: yes [09:29] Nice the #ubuntu-release-party is going crazy and flooded with chatter [09:30] heh [09:30] flooded is the right word [09:30] hm [09:30] why did I just click there [09:30] Oo [09:31] oh well, might as well stay for the party [10:20] so, release banner [10:20] GirlyGIrl did this one http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/bannerdbb.png [10:20] which is not quite the right size [10:20] and this one http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/bannerhrl.png which looks a bit squashed in places [10:21] GirlyGIrl: do you have a .xcf file for that large one? [10:21] Riddell: No png [10:29] Riddell i will do one [10:29] quick [10:31] you have about half an hour :) [10:38] will do it ;d [10:39] sheytan: 941x231 seems to be the required size [10:39] sorry [10:39] 946x231 [10:39] Riddell i do the same as it's now (one i made for 11.04) [10:40] ryanakca or anyone, do we want to be poking sysadmins about the wiki theme today? [10:50] Riddell http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8760/1110d.png [10:50] just replace the image on the server. Don't edit any position of it, should be fine :) [10:51] cor, thanks [10:51] welcome [10:56] Riddell: please run that through a png compression tool if you got time [10:56] way too large for the intartubes [11:00] apachelogger: any recommended one? I'm not getting much reduction [11:00] pngcrush does a good job [11:01] doesn't change anything when I run it [11:01] Riddell: -brute [11:01] indeed [11:01] that is strange [11:02] oh [11:02] Riddell: open with gwenview and save it from there ^^ [11:02] gimp's png exporter is all sorts of weird [11:02] (and partially broken actually IIRC) [11:03] wow, gwenview cut it down to 1/4 of the size, agateau for compression king [11:04] Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/1110d.gwenview.new.png [11:04] gwenview and pngcrush brute = 142k [11:04] that seems sensible for a graphic of that dimension [11:04] Riddell: did you try optipng already? [11:05] I think jt likes to use that [11:05] I have not tried it [11:06] Riddell: ok, I am giving that a shot [11:06] maybe it can squeeze a couple more kb out of it :) [11:06] your concern for canonical's bandwidth is appreciated :) [11:08] :P [11:08] the user's 'time to website' is also a concern ^^ [11:09] Riddell: 0.07% reduction, so I guess 142k is as small as it gets [11:35] Riddell: Yes [11:35] Riddell: Shall I prod? [11:35] oh cool [11:35] kgamma deb is empty [11:35] whooo [11:35] They said they'd be willing to flip the switch on the theme today. [11:35] someone broke kgamma [11:37] ryanakca: give them the long stick of fluff :P [11:37] * apachelogger installs bzr [11:37] Riddell: It also looks like you got images to work? [11:41] ryanakca: yes, I had to ask for a manual sync [11:42] no one uploaded kubuntu-dev-tools? :( [11:54] hm, should we upload oxygen-icons? it only has one change: http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1255155 [11:55] seems not worth it to me [11:56] apachelogger: It's not a separate package (akonaditray). [11:56] ah [11:56] indeed [11:56] thx [11:57] debfx: if you notice where this icon is used and it looks bad then it could be updated, but otherwise not too important [11:57] ryanakca: a prod on the wiki theme would be good [11:57] Riddell: Alright [12:00] Riddell, debfx: just put the changed icon into debian/ and overwrite the old with the new version? [12:01] apachelogger: everyone would still have to download 16MB for one updated icon that I've never seen [12:04] debdelta :P [12:04] debfx: the icon is used in the nntp akonadi resource [12:05] usenet stuff that is I think [12:05] o/ [12:05] usenet in akonadi, yuk! [12:06] apachelogger: you fixing kgamma? [12:06] debfx: I am not sure it matters though [12:06] as IIRC kiconloader will ignore both .svgz and .png, thus probably also the combination of those two [12:06] yofel: I started then I got distracted by something or someone [12:06] ah, right, kdevtools install [12:07] k [12:07] and re kubuntu-dev-tools, since we're notoriously bad at uploading that - got an idea where to put a daily build of that? [12:08] debfx: interstingly enough in akonadi I get the new icon and not the old one === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [12:09] yofel: Links should be fixed in the wiki theme [12:10] * yofel tries [12:10] Click on your username in the navigation bar to get to your preferences (same as on wiki.u.c) [12:10] * yofel hugs ryanakca [12:10] now the theme's great ;) [12:11] yofel: Alright, I'll prod to have them flip the switch, thanks :) [12:12] wendar: Did you receive the invoice? [12:14] ryanakca: kubuntu-light? [12:14] jussi: Yes [12:14] ryanakca: looks pretty good here (when the wiki finally loads :P ) [12:15] ;) [12:15] lol [12:15] w.k.o never fails to amuse me [12:16] 144 B/s [12:17] Riddell: still no release? [12:18] apachelogger: not according to #ubuntu-release-party [12:18] lol, is that the official resource for release info? ^^ [12:19] Hurray, kubuntu-light is now the default theme [12:19] ryanakca: awooga! [12:20] [okular] Michal Zajac * 15 * debian/changelog New upstream release (LP: #872506) === dpm_ is now known as dpm [12:26] ryanakca: lovely, well done, great stuff [12:26] Riddell: Thanks [12:37] will there be any last minute updates? [12:38] or can I just go for a walk and congratulate you folks in advance for a great piece of work :) [12:50] Mamarok: enjoy your walk :) [12:55] Quintasan: yes, and paid it by wire transfer [12:56] Quintasan: they estimated "3 days" for the transfer to complete, which would have put it completing by yesterday, but I can imagine it could take longer [12:59] wendar: I see [13:00] wendar: I'll let you know when I get it :) [13:00] we should really disable events in the clock applet: http://majewsky.wordpress.com/2011/10/10/reducing-the-memory-footprint-of-akonadi/ [13:05] * Quintasan sometimes thinks this whole semantic crap should be killed with fire [13:05] same goes for Akonadi [13:14] not starting akonadi by default would be a huge step in the right direction :) [13:14] Does it start be default or when something that needs it starts? [13:16] only when something needs it [13:16] BTW, I got kdepim/runtime 4.4 built on oneiric. About to test it. [13:17] Then the problem is starting stuff that needs it. [13:17] which in a default install seems to be only the clock widget [13:18] A clock widget that needs a relational database. [13:19] voila http://www.kubuntu.org/ [13:20] There's a widget called simpleclock. [13:20] Described as for the akonadi hater. [13:26] ScottK: there is an option in the clock widget to disable the akonadi stuff, so no need to switch the widget [13:26] Thanks. === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | 11.10 Released! | UDS Ideas: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-P | 4.7.2 Packaging: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging [13:31] Someone should change #kubuntu if it's not already. [13:31] upgrade instructions are in the /topic already [13:31] OK. Thanks. [13:32] anyone want to e-mail kubuntu-users or shall I? [13:32] boyfriend's sister is asking if she should upgrade because the button popped up. [13:32] * maco snags release notes link [13:32] maco: ooh that's good, means it's working [13:32] i told her to either read the release notes and decide or wait til i do [13:32] * maco didnt dogfood [13:33] * maco loses developer hat [13:33] hrmm release notes link isnt in /topic though [13:34] Release announcement is public. But download links are for 11.04 NOT 11.10 [13:34] on kubuntu.org [13:34] bahaha she said she's going to wait a few days. i told her given release day server load itd probably take 5 hours to download anyway. she said it claimed 12 minutes and she laughed at it [13:34] pascal: mm [13:35] Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download#download-block here [13:36] * Riddell fixes [13:36] Riddell: Also the torrent links [13:36] pascal: True but cdimage.ubuntu.com has the imaages [13:37] GirlyGIrl: but when the release announcement points you wrong 5 ways to sunday...thats no good [13:40] maco: Can't find i386 cd though [13:40] Riddell: all the new torrent links fail with a "Not found" apache message [13:42] < 4 mins. download on release day - Riddell thanks for fixing the link [13:43] oh [13:43] we got a release [13:43] how cute [13:44] Riddell: Do we handle our download block or does newz2000 still do it? [13:45] ryanakca: when do we get the new site theme? [13:46] apachelogger: Ask Darkwing, he was working on porting the wiki theme to Drupal [13:46] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/11.10/release/ ... lacks many isos and besides the heading order is not nice ... mac amd64 first in the list? [13:46] Darkwing: ^ [13:46] ok how's this? https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download [13:47] ryanakca: the stuff on that page we do, the redirect he does [13:47] Do we no longer have a cd image or will that come later [13:47] * sheytan a bit dissappointed of this release :( [13:47] GirlyGIrl: that's for the unimportant ones, important ones are on releases.u.c [13:47] 14:47 < popey> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.org/files/11.10-release-banner.png [13:47] 14:47 < popey> oneirc -> oneiric [13:47] sheytan: ^^ [13:47] sheytan: How so? [13:48] Ah ok [13:49] Riddell i meant no new stuff like printing, sharing kcms, apper is cooler then muon (imho), etc. [13:49] Riddell: thanks, it was a nice one :) [13:49] The problem is, that we don't have any 'boom' for users [13:49] ang again, congrats for the release everyone :) [13:49] we need to kick asses [13:50] and* [13:50] hahaha [13:50] of course i'm happy of it, but there are things that need to change. And i will take care of that :) [13:50] Riddell: >=3 people looked at it and no one noticed ^^ [13:50] sheytan: Users will get pleanty of boom when they try kmail2. Unfortunately not the good kind. [13:50] All the download links seem to work now :-) [13:51] ScottK well, im running it from experimental on natty and works for me [13:51] sheytan: Also, how is Apper cooler than Muon, it's cooler in working randomlu [13:52] or crapping out whenever there is a conflict :O [13:52] the KMail2 link has a typo in the known issues [13:52] the link is /Kmail2 instead of /KMail2 [13:52] Fixed [13:52] thanks [13:52] mm, someone changed that back [13:53] sheytan: do we get a new graphic please [13:53] Quintasan never noticed that :) [13:53] why [13:53] sheytan: 14:47 < popey> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.org/files/11.10-release-banner.png [13:53] 14:47 < popey> oneirc -> oneiric [13:53] TYPO! [13:53] sheytan: o.n.e.i.r.i.c.k :P [13:53] damn! [13:53] wait [13:53] sheytan: or just remove the code name, code names are generally for use before releases [13:53] Precise's going to be awesome [13:54] Release slogan: [13:54] Precisely folks, with utmost precision we have prepared a smashing LTS for you [13:54] sheytan: actually yeah, replacing the code name with 11.10 might be the best idea there [13:54] sheytan: It works for some people, not for others. Nowhere near production ready, IMO. [13:55] Quintasan: I like you started off using fancy words and then ended up with smashing :P [13:55] try s/smashing/fabolous/ :P [13:55] apachelogger: Doesn't "smashing" mean "very good" ? [13:56] yeah, however on a degree of fancyness smashing is somewhere between apachelogger-wouldnt-use-it-ever and apachelogger-would-use-it-if-his-life-dependent-on-it :P [13:56] apachelogger: It's "fabulous" actually :P [13:56] Quintasan: indeed [13:57] Smashing means wonderful and impressive actually [13:58] * apachelogger apparenlty is doing the most ultimate jahava course ever this term around \\o/ [13:58] bug 873353 for sheytan :) [13:58] Launchpad bug 873353 in Kubuntu Website "misspelled 'oneiric ' on the main graphic for the 11.10 landing page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873353 [13:59] lol [13:59] it is an outrage [13:59] see that is a fancy word, unlike smashing :P [14:00] I noticed that too but kept quiet [14:00] Let's replace it with "marvelous" then [14:01] wfm [14:01] or hmmm [14:01] * Quintasan looks for something [14:01] palatial [14:01] :O [14:01] fail [14:01] splendiferous? [14:01] lol [14:01] Would be creative to strike out the mispelled word and place the corrected one after [14:01] or illustrious [14:02] * Quintasan likes splendiferous better [14:02] yeah, illustrious does not work for LTS at all [14:04] Ubuntu S-Series: Splendiferous Suni? [14:05] recipe for codename [14:05] 1. Look for hard to pronounce adjective [14:05] 2. Look for some obscure animal [14:05] 3. Combine [14:06] 4. ??????? [14:06] 5. PROFIT [14:06] I don't think they got to 5 yet [14:06] Quintasan: Slimy Slug [14:06] GirlyGIrl: Doesn't sound too fancy :P [14:07] Sure but its unique [14:07] also slug is a word used every other day :P [14:07] charlie-tca: well, the problem is, noone knows what's step 4 actually :P [14:08] apachelogger: Do you fancy a remote-controlled microwave? [14:09] yes [14:09] sheytan: Quintasan: do you have your tabs yet? [14:09] apachelogger: Nah, wendar said the wire transfer takes about 3 days but can take longer [14:09] Waiting for call from shop [14:10] (assuming we are talking about transformers) [14:10] :P [14:10] megatron! [14:10] OPTIMUS PRIME! [14:10] ohohohoh [14:10] Riddell: UX fail [14:10] Riddell: the main banner says download [14:10] but really it leads to the info page [14:11] aw, my favorite was always bumblebee [14:11] apachelogger: what would you like? [14:11] it not to say download [14:11] or lead to downloa [14:11] d [14:11] OHSHI- [14:11] * Quintasan forgot about his driving license course [14:11] goddamn I'm late [14:11] bbl [14:12] :O [14:12] where is scott? [14:13] Riddell: do you know what the difference between amd64 and amd64mac is? [14:13] apachelogger: one of them is for macs? [14:13] yeah, but how is it different [14:13] particularly could one install the amd64 version on a mac? [14:13] shadeslayer: halp! [14:14] apachelogger: something to do with the bootloader maybe? I'm not sure [14:14] apachelogger: I think there is a bug fix in the "mac" iso ... there was an unbootable mac bug before [14:15] mac's use EFI not MBR [14:16] apachelogger: what tabs do you mean? [14:19] sheytan: tabs? [14:20] apachelogger: sheytan: Quintasan: do you have your tabs yet? [14:20] ah [14:20] sorry [14:20] I meant shadeslayer [14:21] ok [14:22] http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9355/1110releasebanner.png How is this I added the missing "i" [14:23] somehow the space before i seems bigger than after [14:23] Riddell: http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3049/1110z.png [14:23] or sheytan could just replace it with 11.10 :P [14:23] apachelogger: there already is 11.10 [14:23] the big one [14:23] no need for double [14:23] sheytan: yes, but the oneiric ocelot is confusing [14:24] as we try only to use the name for the development series [14:24] not the final product [14:24] this means? [14:24] GirlyGIrl: Good job :D [14:25] sheytan: that it should not say oneiric ocelot [14:25] sheytan: you could just leave it out completely [14:26] i did [14:26] oh [14:26] intarwebs is slow here [14:26] it is only half way loaded ^^ [14:26] but, if we shouldn't use the name, what is it for then? [14:26] Riddell: are you integrating it? [14:26] sheytan: no one knows [14:26] rly? :D [14:26] yes [14:26] apachelogger: do you know if it's possible to change plasma widget settings in a global config file? [14:27] so why take care of it every release? [14:27] apachelogger: yes [14:28] debfx: no [14:28] sheytan: code names are for use before release, but not generally after release [14:28] debfx: we can write a new script for init [14:28] that is all [14:28] plasma settings do not cascade via kiosk \o/ [14:28] Riddell asking again, what for? Can't we recognize it only using numbers? [14:28] though there were plans of sane kiosk support at some point [14:29] sheytan: yes, numbers are the way to talk about versions after releases [14:29] sheytan: numbers are harder to write [14:29] apachelogger: is Panwinkler a real Austrian surname? [14:29] sounds austrian [14:30] sounds amusing :) [14:30] yeah [14:31] ok, maybe i just don't get it. nvm :D [14:33] eh [14:33] bug in ubiquity [14:33] when you install and say quit you end up in a session rather than shutdown [14:33] -.- [14:33] sheytan: 11.10 is more writing work than oneiric [14:33] because you have to consult with the numbers part of the keyboard which is generally more straining [14:34] apachelogger: not really :P [14:34] at least people can spell 11.10 [14:34] trust me it is [14:34] phonon also has names for versions [14:34] except we do not call products silly names [14:35] New banner is not really centered ... site looks funny [14:35] it would be better to call kubuntu only like 'ocelot' without anything else [14:35] I'm not sure if this is the proper place to report this but... The release page says "...Please be aware of the known issues, as one effects upgrading." [14:35] Shouldn't that be "*affects upgrading"? [14:35] from #kubuntu. pretty sure that's correct [14:36] * GirlyGIrl thinks kubuntu.org would look better if it were a wordpress site [14:38] maco: fixed [14:38] tnx [14:39] GirlyGIrl: yes the banner position isn't great but my HTML isn't good enough to fix it alas [14:39] it's also too wide for the announce page [14:39] WE NEED A NEW PAGE! :D [14:39] and no one can help me :( [14:39] apachelogger: that's quite bad, so we'd have to patch the code :/ [14:40] html is easy! haven't used it for a long time though [14:40] sheytan: what what? [14:41] I've done a great page for kubuntu, but ofir don't had time to finish this. So all my work is unsuded now [14:41] oh template? [14:41] i even think that i could take the ubuntu theme from launchpad for drupal and start adding stuff into it [14:41] ryanakca said that Darkwing was porting the wiki theme to Drupal [14:42] i need to take care of that, really [14:42] to finally fnish it [14:42] and we need our own server, to not depent on canonical when we want to put new stuff on it [14:42] Riddell: you can put ... around the link object that surrounds the image [14:43] its not the *correct* way to do it with CSS and all, but its the way tht works without me having to sort out the floating divs that are blocking the correct way [14:44] maco: golly you're right [14:44] Riddell: Let alone the banner but see the announcement page itself this one is a major problem http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/4638/snapshot4f.png ... or is it my browser [14:44] referring to the weird overlap [14:44] GirlyGIrl: it's not just your browser [14:45] GirlyGIrl: that just needs the banner made less wide, time for your gimp skills? [14:46] Riddell: But less wide= adverse effects on the main page [14:46] GirlyGIrl: can have two images on the server at once [14:46] just change the filename a bit when you make it smaller [14:47] and then poke riddell to make the one that needs to be smaller point to the one that is smaller [14:47] oh um or [14:47] use height= and width= [14:47] thats easier [14:48] Riddell: on the announcements page, change where it has width="800" height="195" in the tag to just say style="width:100%" [14:49] itll automatically make it just big enough to fit [14:50] Quintasan: I just got confirmation on my side that the transfer was "complete". May still be a delay until it officially shows up in the store's account. [14:51] maco: that'll streth or shink the image which never looks good [14:53] hi guys :) Anyone here seeing any moans about the dist-upgrade? I can't get mine to work :P [14:53] Riddell: i just tried it live in my browser. looks fine to me [14:53] * maco <3 chrome's developer stuff being built-in [14:54] it maintains aspect ratio if you only set one dimension [14:54]