[00:04] <claydoh> antlarr: to get 4.7 in natty, you need the kubuntu-backports ppa, the kubuntu-ppa is for minor updates, say 4.6.2 to 4.6.5
[00:05] <claydoh> the kubuntu-backports will get you new major version of KDE, so 4.7
[00:06] <claydoh> you should be able to just go directly from 4.6.x straight to 4.7.1
[00:07] <claydoh> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports
[00:28] <antlarr> claydoh: argh, you're right
[00:30] <antlarr> claydoh: thanks, I'm already updating :)
[00:34] <claydoh> antlarr: :)
[00:34] <hoverbear_> Ohhh, Quassel is rather nice.
[00:38] <hoverbear_> Hmmm, 4 hour battery quote in Kubuntu.... 9 hour quote in Windows 7... Much be an issue.
[02:00] <Drecondius> Hello, i have a question about my gui apt handler and what it did can anyone help me with it?
[02:02] <Drecondius> I added the repository for Wine 1.3 and the gui crashed waiting for my password which it never prompted me for.
[02:42] <stigma_> Hey folks, can anyone help shed light on how I can get my second monitor working under kubuntu 11.04?
[02:43] <well_laid_lawn> !xrandr | stigma_
[02:44] <stigma_> Thank you both very much.  I will read up and come back if I have trouble.
[02:51] <Tweev> SO I'm having a lot of problems with my 11.04 install - is installing 11.10 tomorrow a good idea or should I go back to 10.04?
[02:58] <stigma_> Hey guys, that link appears to be an excellent guide to configuring detected displays, but doesn't seem to mention how to deal with a display not being detected.  Any tips there?
[02:59] <stigma_> xrandr reported only the one display, and it even claims not to be reporting correctly, but it's showing my desktop.
[02:59] <well_laid_lawn> see if the X log mentions anything about it
[03:04] <TheEvilPhoenix> whats the Kubuntu-equivalent of Empathy Instant Messenger (GNOME)?
[03:04] <stigma_> Forgive me, I'm new to this.  What is the x log and where is that found?
[03:09] <stigma_> Aha! NVIDIA X Server Settings.  What is recommended config: "separate x screen" or "twinview"?
[03:15] <well_laid_lawn> I believe it's twinview
[03:33] <Snowhog> TheEvilPhoenix: I believe that would be Kopete
[03:34] <TheEvilPhoenix> thanks
[03:34]  * TheEvilPhoenix is building a custom installation ISO with KDE as the base, but doesn't have the Kubuntu software list handy
[04:47] <jmichaelx> i updated my sources list so that they point to oneiric, and have started upgrading on one machine. i am seeing that a good number of packages are being pulled from the kubuntu ppa. would there be any reason to disable that ppa for the upgrade?
[06:05] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: Most of the time you disable ppas for upgrades like that
[06:12] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i probably should have, but the upgrade is well underway now
[06:13] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: it's not super high likely that it will break anything
[06:13] <Daskreech>  but why risk eh? :)
[06:13] <jmichaelx> eh
[06:14] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: as long as you live without X for a day or so you should be fine
[06:15] <jmichaelx> i do not disagree. i should have disabled them, but am almost on the verge of not caring
[06:17] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: If it's any assurance unless you have a crazy mix of ppa it should be fine
[06:18] <Daskreech> I've seen you around enough to think that you are in a good place
[06:19] <jmichaelx> yes, i was just thinking that i think i have left the ppa's enabled during upgrades for as long as ppa's have been around
[07:17] <jmichaelx> i did get some jave-related dkpg errors...
[07:19] <jmichaelx> i also just noticed that in doing this upgrade, my system was using swap... on a 2.5GHz quad core, with 4GB RAM
[07:20] <jmichaelx> that would seem to me a little ridiculous
[07:20] <well_laid_lawn> why? live cd's work from ramdisk afaik
[07:26] <jmichaelx> i was doing a live upgrade
[07:27] <jmichaelx> also have a ton of open office errors
[07:34] <jmichaelx> well, i predict that the dpkg errors i got are going to be seen by a lot of other people as well, unless this is something that gets fixed by the time stable release is announced
[07:45] <SunTsu> Hello everybody
[08:00] <jmichaelx> lol kde... the bug where icons remaining in the task manager after windows are closed is still alive and well in oneiric/kde4.7.2
[08:13] <student> Первичный ключ - это поле или группа полей, которые единственным образом идентифицируют каждую строку в таблице.  Таблица может иметь только один первичный ключ.
[08:13] <student> Альтернативный ключ – это поле или группа полей, несовпадающих с первичным ключом и уникально идентифицирующий каждую строку в таблице. Таблица может содержать несколько альтернативных (вторичных) ключей.
[08:13] <FloodBotK2> student: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:13] <FloodBotK1> student: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:15] <Unit193> !ru | student
[09:04] <Zorobabel> hello folks
[09:04] <Zorobabel> not long now I suppose
[09:51] <alvin> Not long now before the complaints about kmail/akonadi/nepomuk come pouring in :-)
[09:52] <alvin> On the bright side (I'm running Oneiric), you can now safely resize the konsole window!
[10:10] <Yamauchi> alvin: is it good?
[10:13] <alvin> Depends on what you need. It is better than natty in some respects. X doesn't crash when resizing the console, the kernel doesn't panic when you're an NFS client and shut the system down. So, that's most definately better. Bugs are fixed in KDE too. The big downside is that the new kmail is not really useable. It's slow, very slow, eats up system resources. Doesn't display all IMAP folders, throws random errors, doesn't work with some
[10:13] <alvin> Kolab configurations and forget about marking your mails as read.
[10:13] <alvin> That's about what I care about of course. Your needs might be very different. I also lost Flash, but I don't care about that.
[10:15] <alvin> Oh, also, Phonon is more stable. No more crashing Amarok when pressing 'next'
[10:52] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[10:52] <phoenix_firebrd> hi
[11:01] <BlaXpirit> So when is the release? I just can't wait.
[11:10] <stephni> hello i was banned from #ubuntu and i don't know why
[11:10] <akis_gr> hi all. i have a set of usb phones. when i plug them to a usb slot i can see in my kmixer a usb audio option but the phones doesn't work. any idea?
[11:32] <jincreator> It looks like there's typo in http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ . Ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot) > "Ku"buntu 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot) Anyone who can fix it?
[11:47] <Riddell> jincreator: hmm
[11:51] <Riddell> jincreator: sorted, thanks for that
[11:51] <jincreator> Riddell: Thanks for quick fix!
[12:00] <CruX|> hi kubuntu 11.10 is also released today ?
[12:00] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:10] <doctor> hi boy
[12:10] <doctor> what's the irc channel kubuntu, italian language?
[12:11] <Pici> !it
[12:20] <afief> How stable is the new kubuntu? Should I plan for an upgrade tonight or wait another month?
[12:28] <mika__> hi, is there a good client for ubuntu one which doesn't require the whole ubuntu deps? i'm currently using dropbox, but i want to give ubuntu1 a try
[12:36] <BluesKaj> mika__, not sure whether the dropbox kde integration has been worked out or not , kubuntu one is ok too ...a few gtk apps and libs don't bother me much
[12:37] <BluesKaj> err ubuntu one rather
[12:40] <mika__> BluesKaj: nope, 0 integration with dropbox and kde..
[12:40] <BluesKaj> mika__, bummer :(
[12:40] <mika__> yeah :(
[12:41] <Duolos> Good morning, all.  I'm looking for a simple program (preferably GUI) that will allow me to rip certain DVD titles to MP3 (or flac/ogg).  I have a concert DVD that I'd like the audio for... any suggestions?
[12:41] <BluesKaj> there was a dropbox for kde app called kfilebox but it was unstable , mika__
[12:43] <mika__> actually i don't care so much about the kde integration, i don't use very frequently dolphin :) just the whole gtk libs eheh
[12:44] <Yamauchi> waiting for 11.10
[12:44] <BluesKaj> Duolos, k9copy might do it , i"m not sure ...it keeps crashing here tho , on 11.10
[12:44] <mika__> Yamauchi: it's been canceled until 2012
[12:45] <Yamauchi> don't think so
[12:45] <mika__> :)
[12:45] <Yamauchi> since ubuntu 11.10 is already up on their site (though they're waiting to announce it)
[12:45] <Realmkeeper> mika__: Be nice. Some of us have weak hearts.
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Tabmow, will be released today , not out yet tho
[12:46] <BluesKaj> oops Yamauchi^
[12:46] <Yamauchi> np
[12:47] <mika__> Realmkeeper: eheh, ok ;)
[12:48]  * mika__ is waiting for 11.10 too ;)
[12:49] <Realmkeeper> Is 11.10 going to have Flash 11?
[12:49] <Realmkeeper> (64 bit)
[12:51] <mika__> Realmkeeper: yes http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=flash&searchon=names&suite=oneiric&section=all
[12:52] <Realmkeeper> yay! Thanks for finding it, mika__.
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Realmkeeper, flash 64 bit can be downloaded from adobe ...it runs with out the pluginwrapper , but you need to remove the wrpper and the flash plugin first then place the so files in /usrlib/whateverbrowser /plugin
[12:58] <BluesKaj> mika__, I'm using the 64 bit from adobe and it works well
[13:09] <afief> How stable is the new kubuntu? Should I plan for an upgrade tonight or wait another month?
 Depends on what you need. It is better than natty in some respects. X doesn't crash when resizing the console, the kernel doesn't panic when you're an NFS client and shut the system down. So, that's most definately better. Bugs are fixed in KDE too. The big downside is that the new kmail is not really useable. It's slow, very slow, eats up system resources. Doesn't display all IMAP
[13:10] <Yamauchi> folders, throws random errors, doesn't work with some
 Kolab configurations and forget about marking your mails as read.
[13:10] <Yamauchi> the comments of a previous user
[13:17] <Yamauchi> ubuntu officially out
[13:17]  * BluesKaj isn't in a work environment, kmail and kontact and akonadi for that matter are deleted or turned off here ...too bad how kmail got totally clunky after kde4
[13:18] <Yamauchi> it's out
[13:18] <Yamauchi> woot
[13:18] <bntech> wats out
[13:19] <Yamauchi> Kubuntu 11.10
[13:19] <BluesKaj> not in my repos
[13:19] <Yamauchi> frontpage
[13:21] <Riddell> Kubuntu 11.10 is out!
[13:21] <Yamauchi> indeed
[13:22] <bntech> it was out long tie ago
[13:23] <Realmkeeper> BluesKaj: Thanks, but may as well wait now for the official packaged Flash 11.
[13:23] <Yamauchi> 11.10 not showing up on the download page for me, though
[13:25] <BluesKaj> Realmkeeper, it's supposed to be available in the canonical partners repos , but whan i tried that 2 days ago it flash wouldn't work without the nspluginwrapper on some sites , but there wqas alink to the .so files which I unfortunately didn't save
[13:26] <BluesKaj> whch do work without that damn wrapper
[13:49] <zematynnad> Anyone know of a compelling reason to do a fresh install versus an upgrade?
[13:49] <genii-around> To get rid of the cruft
[13:50] <dthacker> fresh installs smell better?
[13:50] <tankdriver> clean configs.
[13:50] <zematynnad> :)
[13:51] <dthacker> torrrent is 0.14 percent complete!   This could take awhile
[14:06] <alvin> avoiding a kmail migration?
[14:10] <leuty> is this the right place to get help for todays upgrade?
[14:11] <BluesKaj> upgrade of ?
[14:11] <leuty> 10.04 -> 10.10
[14:11] <leuty> Kubuntu ofc
[14:12] <BluesKaj> LTS ?
[14:13] <BluesKaj> leuty, today is the 11.10 official release , hence my question
[14:13] <leuty> sorry, 11.04 -> 11.10, my head lags 1 year behind
[14:13] <BluesKaj> try #ubuntu +1
[14:14] <leuty> ok, thank you
[14:35] <naproxeno> I'm not sure if this is the proper place to report this but... The release page says "...Please be aware of the known issues, as one effects upgrading."
[14:35] <naproxeno> Shouldn't that be "*affects upgrading"?
[14:35] <maco> yes it should
[14:36]  * maco passes along to people who can do website stuff
[14:36] <naproxeno> thanks maco!
[14:38] <maco> naproxeno: Riddell says its fixed
[14:39] <naproxeno> maco: yes, it is. Perfect!
[14:43] <dthacker> download done, now I'm seeding....
[14:49] <Daskreech> \o/
[14:49] <Daskreech> Release day!
[14:50] <g0rs> Daskreech: is there a new vversion of ubuntu today :0) ?
[14:50] <BarkingFish> Hi guys. Anyone else trying the dist-upgrade via kpackagekit? I got news for ya, it's not working!
[14:50] <Daskreech> g0rs: Indeed there is :)
[14:51] <SunTsu> g0rs: as expected it's 11.10 release day
[14:51] <BarkingFish> I just went to process the distribution upgrade after getting alerted by kpackagekit, and it started, went as far as the Getting new software channels, and crashed out with "process exited with code 1"
[14:57] <leuty> BarkingFish: I might have a similar issue here. Do you have more info so we can see if it is the same issue?
[14:57] <g0rs> I'm already downloading 11.10 :0)
[14:57] <BarkingFish> leuty, I'm advised it could be a crash, I've been instructed to file a bug
[14:58] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, nothing here yet either
[14:58] <dthacker> I've got the 64 bit CD seeding, but the DVD is going to take awhile.  KTorrent only shows 3 seeders....
[14:59] <leuty> BarkingFish: is it something like:  E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::resolve generated breaks ?
[14:59] <BarkingFish> leuty, no - i'm upgrading through kpackagekit and getting the error "Process exited with code 1" in a box in the middle of the screen.
[14:59] <BarkingFish> However, kpackagekit is now offering me 1307 new package updates
[15:01] <jbwiv> anyone know how to get the menu to show up in Dolphin on 11.10?
[15:01]  * BluesKaj avoids kpackagekit , always found it buggy
[15:04] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj, kpackagekit has never let me down up to now, don't see why it's starting now :)
[15:05] <leuty> BarkingFish: Ok, you got further than I did. I now have the oneric sources but unmet dependencies (kdevelop)
[15:05] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, I had problems with it fetching apps and holding repos that I added
[15:06] <BarkingFish> well this appears to be a whole mass of busted files, and stuff it's just having conflicts with... I'm filing a bug on it anyway
[15:07] <dthacker> clean install for me.
[15:07] <leuty> BarkingFish:ok, append the logs is /var/log/dist-upgrade/. Thats the first things they will ask you for.
[15:08] <BarkingFish> yep, i'm sorting that now
[15:10] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, make sure you don't have any old ppas lurking in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[15:10] <phoenix_firebrd> I am using  11.10 beta is it good to update to 11.10 full release or should i do a fresh install?
[15:11] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj, I don't have.  It went and got all the new stuff at the start of the upgrade
[15:11] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, i'm waiting to do just that in beata to official release , but there's no updates in the repos yet
[15:11] <leuty> ha, I had to manually remove kdevelop. Now it runs.
[15:11] <Peace-> BluesKaj: hey  o/
[15:11] <BluesKaj> hi Peace-
[15:12] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: That means our system is fully updated?
[15:12] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: hi
[15:12] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: hi
[15:13] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: I am having a audio related issue in beta, i am wondering if a fresh install will solve it
[15:14] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, not sure ,I doubt it since I haven't seen an upgrade for 24hrs
[15:14] <jbwiv> anyone know how to get the menu to show up in Dolphin on 11.10?
[15:15] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, audion related , care to elaborate ?
[15:15] <leuty> jbwiv: Click on the "tool" in the upper right corner.
[15:16] <BluesKaj> jbwiv, that's an unusual request , why not just use the kciker in the panel
[15:17] <jbwiv> leuty, ah, thanks. Completely missed that for some reason
[15:17] <leuty> jbwiv: you are welcome
[15:18]  * BluesKaj must have misunderstood
[15:18] <BarkingFish> ok guys, I've filed the bug with launchpad, we'll see what happens with it.
[15:18] <BarkingFish> #873411
[15:18] <BluesKaj> heh, good luck
[15:19] <BarkingFish> OK, well at this point, I'm processing all the upgrades manually, all 1307 of them
[15:20] <BarkingFish> see you all later
[15:20] <notGuest> downloading 11.10 right now, but so slow. any one else experience the same?
[15:21] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: sorry , i had a small work to finish
[15:21] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: the audio gets stuck when cpu is high and it sounds like a looping broken venyl record player
[15:24] <BluesKaj> what's causing the high cpu usage , not the audio I hope
[15:24] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, ^
[15:24] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: not the audio,
[15:25] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: some other apps like an installation process
[15:25] <BluesKaj> are you using pulseaudio in phonon ?
[15:25] <Bauldrick> I can't get any openGL screensavers working, anyone help?
[15:26] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i tried increasing the cpu priority of pulseaudio, no good
[15:26] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: high cpu usage? on 11.10?
[15:26] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: not that kind of problem
[15:27] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: my cpu usage  usually increases around 80% during a installation of cpu intensive process
[15:28] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: my cpu usage usually increases around 80% during a installation *or* cpu intensive process
[15:28] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: mmm ALT F2
[15:28] <Peace-> type :  akonadi
[15:28] <Peace-> first application , disable it
[15:29] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: the service is not running
[15:29] <mr-rich> 11.10 switches back to Openoffice?
[15:29] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: I have already disabled strigi and nepomuk
[15:30] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: even disabled some unwanted services
[15:30] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: is this one ? http://wstaw.org/m/2011/10/13/plasma-desktopLG1302.jpg
[15:30] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, which player do you use ?
[15:30] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: vlc
[15:31] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: but ried with athers like dragon player, amarok same thing happens
[15:31] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: ya the same
[15:31] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: mm ok nvdia?
[15:31] <OerHeks> nice, update screen is much better now
[15:31] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-:  he he ya
[15:31] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: ok... so it could be the driver ...
[15:31]  * OerHeks succesfully upgraded to 11.10
[15:32] <BluesKaj> hmm,  vlc is a really good player , and even amarok is getting better ...what soundcard ?
[15:32] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: disabled the desktop effect?
[15:32]  * dthacker gives OerHeks a high five
[15:32] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: The i have already done that, what the nvidia driver is related to audio problem?
[15:32]  * OerHeks h5
[15:33] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: no, you said you had problem with cpu usage
[15:33] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: no thats not the issue
[15:34] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: the problem is the audio gets stuck in a lopp untill the cpu usage goes down , this didnt happen in 11.04 or the previous ones
[15:34] <Peace-> mmm
[15:35] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: ok let's test this
[15:35] <Peace-> sudo apt-get install phonon-backend-vlc
[15:35] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: ok, wait , gstreamer issue?
[15:35] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: i will the backend now
[15:37] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: then go on systemsettings ,
[15:37] <Peace-> =>multimedia =>http://wstaw.org/m/2011/10/13/plasma-desktopvc1302.jpg
[15:38] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: finished replacing the backend
[15:38] <Peace-> you can keep the gstreamfreakstuff
[15:38] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: any player you recommend
[15:38] <Peace-> just set the vlc backedn on that screenshot
[15:39] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: vlc
[15:39] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: ok
[15:39] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, make it the default in phonon, but i don't think it will make a diff
[15:39] <Peace-> it could
[15:39] <Peace-> :D
[15:39] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: done, testing
[15:40] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio and vlc don't worl=k weel together IME
[15:40] <BluesKaj> don't work well
[15:40] <BluesKaj> vlc backend that is
[15:41] <Peace-> BluesKaj: here it works fine
[15:41] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: no difference
[15:41] <Peace-> but :) we know that it doesn't mean anything
[15:41] <BluesKaj> Peace-, how about pulseaudio , Peace- , do you use it ?
[15:42] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: what about irq priority?
[15:42] <Peace-> ok
[15:42] <Peace-> BluesKaj: yes
[15:42] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: mmm
[15:42] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: we could try to remove pulse btw
[15:42] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: i am using a creative soundblaster pci card
[15:43] <Peace-> if pulse is not the problem i guess it's an hardware problem
[15:43] <Peace-> or maybe better... an alsa problem
[15:43] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: driver?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> ok Peace- , I'm forced to use PA as well for web content audio , alsa doesn't work with flash audio on websites here for some reason
[15:43] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: thats a big issue
[15:44] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i have tried different things and ended up wasting my time
[15:44] <Peace-> BluesKaj: really ? wtf here is working with flash it doesn't make me crazy like before , have you installed veromix?
[15:45] <BluesKaj> my onboard audio card works without PA on everything , but my new m-audio card doesn't do flash audio on websites without PA :(
[15:46] <petete> i borked up the display on my computer
[15:46] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: creative cards also sucks
[15:46] <petete> but i could ssh from my phone and fix it, yay!
[15:47] <Peace-> BluesKaj: so you are saying that you have 2 audio cards 1 works fine with  flash and pulse the other no ?
[15:47] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-:  is there a way to increase the irq priority ?
[15:47] <BluesKaj> Peace-, , I don't think it's the card so much as the alsa driver
[15:48] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: sorry :( i dunno that stuff
[15:48] <Peace-> BluesKaj: mm bad story then
[15:48] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: ok, you have no problem with the audio right?
[15:49] <Peace-> yep
[15:49] <Peace-> BluesKaj: btw install plasma-widget-veromix
[15:49] <Peace-> try if you have time and you want try to test better your problem
[15:49] <BluesKaj>  Peace- , what I mean is both cards work with PA on everything including web audio , but the onboard nvidia sound card doesn't need PA to work
[15:49] <Peace-> try it
[15:50] <Peace-> ya ya got it
[15:50] <Peace-> BluesKaj: it should be alsa <=>Pa connection
[15:51] <Peace-> who knows
[15:51] <BluesKaj> what's veromix ?
[15:51] <Peace-> BluesKaj: a mixer for PA
[15:51] <Peace-> BluesKaj: it's like kmix but for PA its not so bad..
[15:52] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: I will check if the nvidia driver is causing this issue.
[15:52] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: mah i don't think so
[15:52] <BluesKaj> don't ned a mixer for PA , ,,, I use it for it's digital spdif passthru properties , which alsa doesn't provide for website audio content
[15:52] <Peace-> :)
[15:52] <Peace-> ok
[15:53] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: ok
[15:53] <Tweev> Are the wireless issues with 11.10 a little better than 11.04? Trying to get wireless to work correctly in 11.04 has been a bit of a nightmare (and I never solved it).
[15:54] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: you could test this too sudo alsa force-reload
[15:54] <BluesKaj> I have my onboard soundcard blacklisted , so it doesn't show up in phonon and muck up the works
[15:54] <dthacker> Tweev: I think that's probably a "try it and see" question
[15:54] <vsrao> Hi. Would you guys recommend a fresh re-installation to 11.10 or upgrade?
[15:55] <dthacker> vsrao: I almost always do a fresh install.  YMMV
[15:55] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: What does it resets alsa settings?
[15:55] <Tweev> dthacker: Fair enough.  At this point I just need a system that works.  I would have gone to 10.04 if making a 10.04 LTS USB from 11.04 wasn't so buggy
[15:55] <vsrao> dthacker: Okay.
[15:55] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: reboot the audio drivers...
[15:55] <Peace-> only the audio drivers
[15:55] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: ok
[15:56] <Peace-> if you see the cpu usage go down it means it's an alsa problem
[15:56] <vsrao> Is there a synaptic equivalent to save a list of installed packages to re-install on the fresh installation?
[15:56] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: do i have to restart pulseaudio?
[15:56] <Peace-> vsrao: of course
[15:57] <vsrao> Peace-: What is it?
[15:57] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: try that command ... i have written before
[15:57] <Peace-> vsrao: one moment
[15:57] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: thats done
[16:00] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: so... now the cpu usage?
[16:00] <Peace-> vsrao: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/10/13/plasma-desktopDi1302.jpg
[16:00] <BluesKaj> vsrao, one thing to remember a fresh install will require resetting everything to your tastes , unless of course you have a /home partition , then part of the work is already saved in the config files
[16:00] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: testing
[16:00] <vsrao> BluesKaj: Yes, I have a separate /home partition configured.
[16:00] <BluesKaj> ok  vsrao , cool :)
[16:00] <vsrao> BluesKaj: All I need is a KDE equivalent synaptic sort of package list saver kinda thing.
[16:01] <Tweev> BluesKaj: I also have a seperate /home.  Do you have a link to a walk though to do a fresh install when you have a seperate /home? Do I just reformat the /,swap & boot and leave /home alone?
[16:01] <BluesKaj> vsrao, why not just use synaptic ...I do
[16:01] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: problem is still there
[16:01] <BluesKaj> just reformat the /
[16:01] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: even when you are restarting alsa?
[16:01] <vsrao> BluesKaj: I guess. I do too, always. I thought Muon/KPackManager or K* would have one.
[16:02] <BluesKaj> Tweev, ^
[16:02] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: ya
[16:02] <Peace-> i mean in the while you are restaring the cpu is still high
[16:02] <Tweev> BluesKaj: awesome thanks!
[16:03] <Tweev> BluesKaj: I wonder why the seperate /home isn't default.  It's seems to be a smarter approach
[16:03] <BluesKaj> muon showed promise at first but now I'm not happy with it ...buggy on my setup
[16:03] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd:  mmm so ... it could be an irq problem  but i am not used to manage that kind of problem
[16:03] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: After the restart when the cpu is high the audio has the same problem
[16:03] <Peace-> i have no ideas
[16:03] <BluesKaj> Tweev, it is IMO but , too many partitoninig options scares ppl away
[16:04] <Tweev> BluesKaj: I can understand that, I felt the same way until i did it 5 times
[16:04] <Peace-> BluesKaj: +1
[16:04] <Peace-> for muon
[16:04] <vsrao> During the installation, a lot of downloads happen regarding "language packs". Anyway to avoid that part of download?
[16:04] <Peace-> it doesn't work well here
[16:04] <BluesKaj> Tweev,  :)
[16:04] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: where can i see a driver change in a kernel , do you think a new creative  audio driver was put in in 3.0.x ?
[16:05] <Tweev> OK, my bootable 11.10 USB is done - I am off to do my fresh 11.10 install - wish me luck! (<fingers crossed> please work out of the box!!!)
[16:06] <BluesKaj> Peace-, I think the devs "dropped the ball" on muon ,,, I even had dependency conflicts with it
[16:07] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: muon works well
[16:08]  * BluesKaj sticks with synaptic
[16:08] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: do you preview before removing packages?
[16:09] <BluesKaj> I just use synaptic mostly as a reference for available packafges , I usually use apt in the cli to install and remove stuff
[16:09] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ok
[16:11] <BluesKaj> wow, still nothing new in the repos ...wonder what's going on
[16:28] <vsrao> During the installation, a lot of downloads happen regarding "language packs". Anyway to avoid that part of download?
[16:35] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: i think i solved my audio problem
[16:36] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: solution ?
[16:36] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-:  i added audio to user privileges
[16:37] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: omg
[16:37] <Peace-> hahahaha
[16:37] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: what
[16:37] <Peace-> funny :)
[16:37] <Peace-> i didn't think to that
[16:37] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: is that a solution ?
[16:38] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: what i did was right or wrong?
[16:38] <Peace-> bah
[16:39] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: what?
[16:39] <Peace-> it's not bad that for sure
[16:39] <Peace-> and if it worked is a solution
[16:39] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: he he
[16:39] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: thanks for the support buddy
[16:40] <TheLastProject> Just upgraded to Kubuntu 11.10, Internet connection no longer works and mouse refuses to work as well. I expected the special button to not work because I manually installed open source drivers for my Roccat Kova+ mouse, but no mouse input is taken at all anymore.
[16:40] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-:one last question
[16:41] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: how can i update from beta to a full release?
[16:42] <afief> phoenix_firebrd: `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` or the normal upgrades(muon/kpackagekit) should do that
[16:42] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: i guess it's thsi : sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:43] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: does that remove the backports entry in the sources list?
[16:43] <yofel> TheLastProject: how do you connect to the internet? does the keyboard at least still work?
[16:43] <TheLastProject> The keyboard still works, I use a wired internet connection. Even though Windows 7 also displays the connection as non-functioning at the moment I can still use it, as you can see.
[16:44] <TheLastProject> On Kubuntu 11.10, however, I can't connect at all.
[16:44] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: well you need to set only normal repository...
[16:44] <Peace-> !repository
[16:44] <TheLastProject> (Oops, guess I should've added "yofel: " at the beginning of my sentence? >_<)
[16:47] <yofel> TheLastProject: hm, not sure about that then, but you could go to a TTY with ctrl-alt-f2 from the login screen, and look at the output of dmesg (long!) and at /var/log/Xorg.0.log if there's any error about the mouse
[16:48] <TheLastProject> yofel: The mouse driver I installed was originally meant for another Linux kernel than 3.0, I guess I should try grabbing the appropriate version then? (That is, if I get my Internet connection up and running again)
[16:49] <yofel> how did you install the driver? If you installed it by hand then you'll have to install it for the new kernel as well
[16:49] <Tweev> I'm back: seems like the 11.10 install went fine - although it sure stalled on 86% and 90% - I thought it was going to crap out
[16:50] <phoenix_firebrd> Tweev: let me guess during downloading of language packs?
[16:50] <Tweev> phoenix- likely, I wasn't looking at the details.
[16:51] <phoenix_firebrd> Tweev: that problem was already reported as a bug
[16:51] <TheLastProject> yofel: I installed it manually, compiled the source code and added it to the Xorg.conf file and so on. There was no automatic installation for it available as it was an unofficial open source driver. So I guess that is to blame for the complete lack of mouse support. Still wonder how I can fix my connection, perhaps it will decide to fix itself again or so... Hopefully =/
[16:52] <TheLastProject> yofel: At least, thanks for the help!
[16:52] <yofel> TheLastProject: is that wired 56k? or dsl + modem? or network + router?
[16:52] <Tweev> phoenix_firebrd: That's a bug? Yeesh, it just gave me a chance to do some extra dishes and laundry - my wireless crapping out cost me DAYS - THAT'S a bug! (for 11.o4). Now I must see if my wireless issues seem to be fixed
[16:53] <TheLastProject> yofel: I think it would be dsl + modem + router? I'm not really familiar with what DSL or so exactly is. It is a constant connection at an average speed for this country. Perhaps I can try taking the power off it for 30 seconds and reconnecting =/
[16:53] <phoenix_firebrd> Tweev: but the bug should be fixed by now
[16:54] <yofel> TheLastProject: hm, that would mean you should just need to connect to the router over LAN, check if at least the network device shows up when you type 'ifconfig'
[16:55] <TheLastProject> yofel: Wrote it down, will try that when I reboot back into Kubuntu. Thank you!
[16:56] <jmichaelx> anyone else getting a GPG error for archive.canonical.com?
[16:56] <phoenix_firebrd> jmichaelx: me
[16:59] <jmichaelx> also, have others run into openoffice-related errors upon upgrading to oneiric?
[17:01] <saidi> can i cancel kubuntu upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10?
[17:01] <saidi> it take too much time
[17:02] <jmichaelx> saidi: are you just at the stage of downloading packages?
[17:03] <saidi> no before that
[17:05] <saidi> downloading source packages
[17:05] <saidi> will i did cancel it, but the apt is still runnig
[17:07] <saidi> should i restore this file /etc/apt/sources.list.save ?
[17:08] <saidi> i don't want to upgrade it now
[17:09] <jmichaelx> saidi: you can just stop now. you do not need to change your sources list back, unless you are planning to stay in natty
[17:10] <saidi> jmichaelx, yes i want to stay with it :)
[17:10] <BartBlackMagic> Did the upgrade from Kubuntu 11.04 to 11.10, everything went nice but it hangs every time after about 2 minutes, any idea which log file I have to open to see the cause?
[17:10] <jmichaelx> saidi: well then, yes. you will need to make sure all of your sources point to natty instead of oneiric
[17:13] <BartBlackMagic> I'm going to do a clean reinstall now
[17:13] <BartBlackMagic> think that's the best :)
[17:20] <saidi> BartBlackMagic, when it hangs? at any stage?
[17:21] <BartBlackMagic> fully loaded desktop
[17:21] <BartBlackMagic> so.. i log in.. when i do nothing, it doesn't hang, but when i start a browser, email client, or just te application browse menu, it hangs after a some time
[17:22] <BartBlackMagic> some time = 15 sec to 1 minute
[17:23] <BartBlackMagic> tried to install the amd ati 11.9 drivers (have ATI/AMD 6970m in my laptop) but that made no difference
[17:26] <jmichaelx> does anyone know what the deal is with the GPG error?
[17:29] <BlaXpirit> "error: invalid arch independent ELF magic.\grub rescue>" at boot. What's up with that? :(
[17:31] <BlaXpirit> help please...
[17:32] <BartBlackMagic> you have an ssd?
[17:32] <BlaXpirit> nope
[17:32] <BartBlackMagic> you tried this? -> http://askubuntu.com/questions/37692/grub-invalid-arch-independent-elf-magic-after-natty-install-on-ssd
[17:33] <BlaXpirit> I've seen that, but... /dev/sda3 ? really? I don't even have that partition
[17:34] <BartBlackMagic> yes of course :) you'll probably have another one like: /dev/sda1 or something
[17:34] <BartBlackMagic> that's up to you
[17:34] <BlaXpirit> well, i think i have the following settings: "/dev/sda5 /, /dev/sda7 swap, /dev/sda6 /home"
[17:34] <BartBlackMagic> when did you get this error? after upgrading from 11.04 to 11.10?
[17:35] <BlaXpirit> i installed over the old one
[17:35] <BlaXpirit> using the same partitions and putting the "format" checkbox on them
[17:36] <BartBlackMagic> clean install is mostly better than updating to my opinion
[17:36] <BartBlackMagic> and which partition did you select to install the boot manager?
[17:36] <BlaXpirit> well, that's why i did what i thought was clean
[17:36] <BlaXpirit> i didn't change the setting, and i think it was /dev/sda
[17:37] <BartBlackMagic> hmm :s that's the perfect thing to do...
[17:37] <BlaXpirit> maybe i could remove those partitions and then install? i prefer reinstalling to some dirty fixes from live cd
[17:37] <BartBlackMagic> but you formatted /dev/sda5?
[17:38] <BlaXpirit> yes
[17:38] <BartBlackMagic> so the only "dirty" files would be in /dev/sda7
[17:38] <BlaXpirit> well, u may want to know that i have another system installed
[17:38] <BlaXpirit> but i did this "scheme" before and had no problems
[17:39] <BartBlackMagic> uhu, you did nothing wrong to my opnion
[17:39] <BartBlackMagic> as a matter of fact, I just did the EXACT same thing to my computer!
[17:39] <BartBlackMagic> first updated, but this gave me some troubles
[17:39] <BlaXpirit> i (re)installed twice btw, checking all the settings
[17:39] <BartBlackMagic> then formatted the / partition and left the /home for what it was
[17:40] <BlaXpirit> well then, i'll remove those partitions completely......
[17:41] <BartBlackMagic> ok
[17:41] <BartBlackMagic> and if that doesn't work
[17:41] <BartBlackMagic> try another distro :$
[17:41] <BlaXpirit> wha?
[17:41] <BartBlackMagic> why? because this can be a bug
[17:41] <BlaXpirit> there's nothing else i'm not afraid of.
[17:41] <BlaXpirit> i mean, it could damage my other system
[17:41] <BlaXpirit> and with ubuntu i'm completely safe
[17:42] <BartBlackMagic> you installed ubuntu or kubuntu?
[17:42] <BlaXpirit> kubuntu
[17:42] <BlaXpirit> but that's only desktop, the low-level part is just Ubuntu
[17:43] <orava> hi, has someone got banshee working in kubuntu 11.10?
[17:43] <BlaXpirit> use Amarok!!!
[17:44] <orava> no, banshee is way better
[17:44] <BartBlackMagic> yes i know :)
[17:44] <BlaXpirit> no, Amarok is the best -_-
[17:44] <TheLastProject> "use X instead" isn't a good reply to "how do I make Y work?"
[17:46] <BlaXpirit> damn, i think it didn't format those partitions
[17:46] <BartBlackMagic> lol :)
[17:46] <BlaXpirit> because /home partition has 3GB used and i did mark it for Format
[17:46] <BartBlackMagic> ah ok, so you did want to format /home
[17:46] <BartBlackMagic> i thought you wanted to leave that intact
[17:46] <BartBlackMagic> then.. remove all your partitions
[17:47] <BartBlackMagic> and do a clean install
[17:47] <BlaXpirit> i want completely clean... yes.
[17:47] <BartBlackMagic> that should do it
[17:47] <orava> no one has gotten banshee working in 11.10? :)
[17:47] <BlaXpirit> that's what i was doing, the installer just refued to format, or what...
[17:47] <BartBlackMagic> can't be possible
[17:47] <BlaXpirit> meh, i'll just use kde partition manager to remove the partitions first...
[17:48] <BartBlackMagic> it isn't possible to format the partition you are using
[17:48] <jmichaelx> why is apt telling me that things like amarok and google-talk-plugin will be removed in the upgrade to oneiric?
[17:48] <BartBlackMagic> you should do it with the boot cd (just saying)
[17:48] <BlaXpirit> of course, i can't boot into the system anyway -_-
[17:49] <BartBlackMagic> of course (dumb answer from me)
[17:49] <yofel> orava: more like nobody of the people currently online tried it I guess ^^
[17:49] <BartBlackMagic> so :) go ahead
[17:50] <BlaXpirit> So disappointing. I can't shut down the PC from live session...
[17:50] <BlaXpirit> just doesn't work.
[17:51] <BartBlackMagic> i understand
[17:52] <kadoban42> i can't seem to find this in the docs, can i install using encrypted hard drive somehow? do i need to use the alternate CD or whatever? (11.10)
[17:52] <kadoban42> not updating, clean install
[17:52] <BlaXpirit> But HEY, now I can change the screen brightness!!! I had to do dirty hacks and cutom scripts before. Hardware support is obviously better, as promised.
[17:54] <jmichaelx> seriously... i would like to know why amarok, flashplugin-installer and google-talk-plugin are going to be removed upon upgrading to oneiric.... anyone have a clue about this?
[17:54] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, perhaps removed , then reinstalled i suspect... no upgrades in oneiric totally removed them in my experience
[17:54] <BlaXpirit> how did you read and type that in 7 seconds?
[17:56] <TheLastProject> BluesKaj has obviously used IRC for somewhat longer
[17:56] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: hmm, usually i pay close attention to that sort of thing. i upgraded a machine last night, and do not recall those packages having had to be removed...
[17:56] <TheLastProject> It makes you fast
[17:56] <jmichaelx> of course, i may have just not been paying as close attention as i thought
[17:56] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, if you have a 64bit system then flash will be reinstalled without the nspluginwrapper...it helps to multiarch installed as well
[17:56] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: ok, i think you are proving that i did pay close enough attention :-D
[17:59]  * BluesKaj isn't out to prove anything :)
[18:00] <BluesKaj> BBL, gotta go check the postbox for paper mail
[18:02] <Oxymoron> hi guys, I seriously need help FAST with lost files through dropbox permission error. It is ciritcal, I need files to school in important meeting
[18:02] <orava> is someone running kwin cwith OpenGL ES compositor?
[18:03] <jussi> @config supybot.plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease
[18:03] <orava> I tried to install kde-window-manager-gles package and when run kwin_gles –replace it says command not found
[18:03] <krise> my problem is that after upgrade, i have sound with vlc media player, but i dont have sound with amarok
[18:04] <orst3n> hi
[18:04] <orst3n> why kubuntu gets with every rls a new bugy package manager ?
[18:04] <BlaXpirit> Muon is quite good.
[18:04] <drbobb> hi, I wanna plug in an external monitor into the vga port on my laptop, but apparently that's not supported. what do I do to make it work?
[18:05] <orst3n> i cant i cant disable prerlses packages -.-
[18:05] <orst3n> always gets rechecked--
[18:06] <jmichaelx> orst3n: each kde/kubuntu release gets a whole lot more buggy stuff besides just the package manager...
[18:06] <BlaXpirit> umm no
[18:07] <Trashi> hi guys. i upgraded today ubuntu 11.04 to 11.10 ... after installing i wasnt able to login. after i looked up my /var/log/syslog, i noticed the following error: unable to read /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/faces/.default.face .... i could fix it by reinstalling the plasma-desktop package ... after the reinstallation the faces/.default.face file and directory doesnt exist also, but all seems to work ... think there were corrupt package
[18:07] <Trashi> dependences caused by the dist-upgrade?!
[18:08] <drbobb> hello, nobody at all uses dual monitors with kubuntu??
[18:08] <Trashi> drbobb: i dod
[18:08] <Trashi> -d
[18:08] <drbobb> dod?
[18:08] <drbobb> ah
[18:08] <orst3n> so how can i disable to get prereleased updates ?
[18:08] <orst3n> quick fix for terminal would be enough.
[18:08] <drbobb> Trashi: how did you achieve it?
[18:09] <jmichaelx> has amarok had to be removed for any of you when you upgraded to oneiric?
[18:09] <ssfdre38> since i have Gnome (Ubuntu) installed on my Kubuntu as an under layer program support, would both desktops upgrade?
[18:10] <GirlyGirl> ssfdre38: Yes
[18:10] <ssfdre38> just need to check
[18:10] <Trashi> drbobb: well, im using an mobile geforce videocard and the nvidia-settings driver ... in association with twinview it works more or less
[18:10] <GirlyGirl> ssfdre38: If you don't use gnome it would be wise to remove it before upgrade
[18:10] <GirlyGirl> ssfdre38: less clutter
[18:10] <Trashi> drbobb: whats your problem exactly?
[18:11] <drbobb> Trashi: just a moment, what packages did you need to add to the system? btw nvidia-settings is not a driver
[18:11] <ssfdre38> i use it as a layer for gnome programs on top of my KDE
[18:11] <GirlyGirl> Trashi: do a "sudo apt-get install -f" to be safe
[18:11] <drbobb> Trashi: my problem is that the external monitor is not detected at all
[18:12] <drbobb> and btw I also have a geforce in my lenovo
[18:12] <Trashi> drbobb:  ok if you have a geforce, do you use the proprietary driver from nvidia?
[18:13] <drbobb> Trashi: yes, I installed it via 'jockey'
[18:14] <jmichaelx> drbobb: i am pretty sutre you will be able to do it, and that it is supported.... but it takes some futzing around.... there are things in both nvidia-settings and in kde's system settings you will have to adjust, and it is FAR from intuitive
[18:14] <Trashi> drbobb: so you are able to start nvida-settings?
[18:14] <GirlyGirl> drbobb: What is the problem exactly?
[18:14] <Trashi> GirlyGirl: i will do so, thanks!
[18:14] <Trashi> drbobb: in nvidia-settings you have an option called "detect displays"
[18:14] <Trashi> that should work
[18:14] <Trashi> after you have to enable the external monitor
[18:22] <drbobb_> okay, nvidia-settings seems to be working
[18:22] <drbobb_> I'll play around a little and see if it helps
[18:24] <Tweev> So far I am very VERY pleased with 11.10
[18:25] <drbobb_> I don't like kmail being broken
[18:26] <BlaXpirit> that's the only part of KDE i never liked
[18:27] <dthacker> why is kmail broken?
[18:27] <jmichaelx> i do have to say that things like the breakage in kmail should be considered show-stoppers, imo
[18:28] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, go visit #ubuntu ...he's there now ranting at me
[18:28] <drbobb_> who knows why it's broken
[18:28] <drbobb_> fact is it doesn't work much
[18:29] <yofel> akonadi run... "suboptimal"
[18:29] <yofel> more like it breaks once you just look at it
[18:30] <yofel> drbobb_: read https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail2
[18:30] <jmichaelx> i have always wondered why kde just continues making new releases, while major bugs live on and on....
[18:31] <drbobb_> I did read it, but it didn't work for me
[18:31] <TheLastProject> Wow, I'm glad I use Thunderbird :P
[18:31]  * yofel too
[18:31] <kadoban42> ya, ive always found thunderbird far superior anyway
[18:31] <drbobb_> actually I nuked all kmail settings I could find on my account and tried to start fresh
[18:32] <drbobb_> but I can't, kmail segfaults as soon as started
[18:32] <yofel> kmail2 works somewhat here... but usually akonadi_nepomuk_email_feeder just eats up my resources
[18:32] <yofel> drbobb_: that's new - can you get a backtrace please?
[18:33] <drbobb_> yofel: I made myself a new account in the meantime
[18:33] <yofel> and that works?
[18:33] <drbobb_> too much stuff was broken when I tried to reuse the same home dir on oneiric
[18:34] <drbobb_> yofel: *sometimes* it works
[18:34] <dthacker> wow, that's ugly.    I think I'll test migration in a VM first.
[18:34] <drbobb_> but sometimes outgoing mail just stays in the queue forever for no reason
[18:35] <yofel> drbobb_: ok, you're not the first person to report *that*
[18:35] <drbobb_> yofel: no that is NOT ok
[18:35] <yofel> can you file a bug at https://bugs.kde.org ? They didn't get flooded enough yet...
[18:35] <drbobb_> it means kmail is unfit for daily use at present
[18:36] <yofel> drbobb_: believe me, kde 4.7 + kdepim 4.4 doesn't work well together either
[18:36] <yofel> so it's a choice between the 6th and 7th hell
[18:36] <drbobb_> while before the whole akoonadi/nepomuk/whatever debacle it was a top-notch mail client
[18:36] <yofel> + kdepim 4.4 is unsupported upstream - *sigh*
[18:36] <jmichaelx> who is responsible for firefox-kde-support?
[18:36] <drbobb_> (too much of those weird names, ugh)
[18:37] <yofel> jmichaelx: what's broken?
[18:37] <yofel> jmichaelx: the kubuntu devs pretty much
[18:37] <jmichaelx> yofel: well, firefox-kde-support has always been broken
[18:37] <drbobb_> too bad gnome is in the process of being fubar'ed as well
[18:38] <yofel> file a bug...
[18:38] <GirlyGirl> I have a problem with the message indicator plasmoid, on natty with 4.7.1 it used to become green when there is an incomming message from konversation in oneiric it does not. KDE developers say that the message indicator is not their package its for kubuntu only so I came here
[18:38] <drbobb_> that leaves linux users little to choose from
[18:38] <yofel> drbobb_: believe me - we're not happy with the situation either
[18:39] <yofel> as a matter of fact - once of the kubuntu devs created himself a lucid VM just to run kmail in it...
[18:39] <yofel> s/once/one/
[18:39] <drbobb_> heh that *wild*
[18:39] <BlaXpirit> dagnammit.
[18:39] <BlaXpirit> "error: invalid arch independent ELF magic.\grub rescue>" at boot
[18:42] <drbobb_> wtf is apper?
[18:42] <shadeslayer> drbobb_: kpackagekit was renamed
[18:42] <jussi> !info apper
[18:42] <shadeslayer> it's now called apper
[18:42] <GirlyGirl> kmail2 will improve hopefully ... I prefer web-mail right now and avoid akondani
[18:42] <jussi> drbobb_: also, try keep it family friendly, even with the acronyms :)
[18:42] <drbobb_> I thought muon was the package manager frontend now
[18:43] <BlaXpirit> in Kubuntu.
[18:43] <GirlyGirl> drbobb_: it is
[18:43] <BlaXpirit> Muon is Kubuntu-exclusive, i think.
[18:43] <Quintasan> drbobb_: It is, but we are leaving the final choice
[18:43] <Quintasan> to the user*
[18:43] <yofel> drbobb_: by default yes - doesn't mean apper isn't allowed to be in the archive
[18:43] <Quintasan> If you fancy using Apper then please do so :)
[18:43] <GirlyGirl> BlaXpirit: debian has it too now I think not default though
[18:43] <drbobb_> yofel: it seems to be pulled in by dependencies
[18:43] <yofel> drbobb_: really?
[18:44]  * yofel doesn't have it installed here
[18:44] <drbobb_> I upgraded to beta at first, and had no apper
[18:44] <GirlyGirl> drbobb_: Installation of what pulled it in?
[18:44] <drbobb_> now I'm upgrading to final, and apper is being pulled in
[18:44] <Quintasan> Hmnmm
[18:44]  * Quintasan looks
[18:45] <yofel> drbobb_: did you have kpackagekit installed?
[18:45] <yofel> then you *will* get apper
[18:45] <drbobb_> not that I mind a lot, my hd is big enough
[18:45] <drbobb_> well since it is an upgrade from natty, I guess yes
[18:45] <BlaXpirit> umm could you help me with that GRUB stuff?
[18:45] <yofel> yeah, then you'll get apper on update
[18:45]  * BluesKaj upgrades his other linux pc to 11.10 ...it's abit old but still chugging away
[18:45] <Quintasan> drbobb_: That would explain the upgrade
[18:46] <jmichaelx> with kde bugs, is there generally any way to get a feel of what the status is of that bug? that anyone is working on it?
[18:46] <Quintasan> BlaXpirit: Your machine is using EFI?
[18:46] <BlaXpirit> and what is that?
[18:47] <BlaXpirit> Everything worked perfectly before. I installed new version over the old one, and that's what I get.
[18:47] <GirlyGirl> BlaXpirit: EFI is an alternative to bios
[18:47] <GirlyGirl> !efi
[18:47] <Quintasan> BlaXpirit: Do you know what motherboard model you have?
[18:47] <BlaXpirit> woops :P
[18:47] <BlaXpirit> I have a Lenovo laptop with some Sandy Bridge stuff, i think
[18:48] <BlaXpirit> and no, it should be normal BIOS
[18:48] <yofel> jmichaelx: *we* usually don't work on them at all, go to bugs.kde.org if you're interested
[18:48] <Quintasan> BlaXpirit: http://askubuntu.com/questions/37692/grub-invalid-arch-independent-elf-magic-after-natty-install-on-ssd
[18:48] <GirlyGirl> BlaXpirit: Most PC's have BIOS, EFI is generally on some servers and Intel Macs
[18:48] <BlaXpirit> but i don't have "/dev/sda3"
[18:48] <yofel> jmichaelx: fixes get to kubuntu once it's fixed in KDE usually
[18:48] <Quintasan> BlaXpirit: Please note that /dev/sda3 should be replaced with the partition number you installed Kubuntu on
[18:48] <BlaXpirit> and why doesn't it work in the first place??
[18:48] <jmichaelx> yofel: i don't think i mentioned a 'we' anywhere.... i was asking a general question
[18:49] <GirlyGirl> BlaXpirit: What is the issue?
[18:49] <yofel> jmichaelx: s/we/the kubuntu developers/
[18:49] <Quintasan> GirlyGirl: He is getting "error: invalid arch independent ELF magic." from GRUB when booting
[18:49] <jmichaelx> yofel: i also mentioned no kubuntu developers
[18:49] <BlaXpirit> yes.
[18:50] <yofel> jmichaelx: well, what I meant is that KDE bugs aren't tracked on launchpad in the ubuntu bug tracker - your best bet to check the state of KDE bugs is in the KDE bugzilla
[18:50] <GirlyGirl> BlaXpirit: 64 bit? also did it have grub-legacy before upgrade?
[18:50] <BlaXpirit> 64bit
[18:50] <Quintasan> jmichaelx: Usually, when you report a bug it gets assigned to someone, if that certain someone is working on it you should get some reply asking for more information if necessary
[18:50] <BlaXpirit> no idea what grub-legacy is
[18:50] <Quintasan> BlaXpirit: It's a package
[18:51] <BlaXpirit> i didn't do an upgrade. installed new over the old one, using the same partitions (but checked "format" during installation)
[18:51] <Quintasan> Oh
[18:51] <BlaXpirit> so I have /dev/sda5 : / ; /dev/sda7 : swap ; /dev/sda6 : /home
[18:51] <BlaXpirit> what should I do?
[18:51] <Quintasan> /dev/sda5 is /   right?
[18:52] <BlaXpirit> yes, I just wrote that.
[18:52] <jmichaelx> Quintasan: ok, i am very bothered by one particular kde bug, which is apparently still very much alive in 4.7.2... it would be reassuring to know that it is being addressed (i know it probablly is)
[18:52] <Quintasan> jmichaelx: Do you have the bug number?
[18:52] <Quintasan> BlaXpirit: Are you on LiveCD right now?
[18:52] <jmichaelx> Quintasan: yes... jsut a sec
[18:52] <BlaXpirit> no, but that's not a problem
[18:52] <BlaXpirit> LiveUSB rather...
[18:53] <Quintasan> Whatever, I want you to mount the / partition and retry installing GRUB on that
[18:53] <jmichaelx> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275469
[18:53] <Quintasan> BlaXpirit: By the way, / is ext4?
[18:53] <BlaXpirit> yes.
[18:53] <GirlyGirl> BlaXpirit: Was this an LVM installation
[18:53] <BluesKaj> I'm going to as k general question to anyone here who's tried XnView , does it actually work in kde ? I havent had much luck with it , even after following the readme instructions it doesn't respond to any options whatsoever
[18:53] <BlaXpirit> well, i even removed all the kubuntu partitions and made new ones during installation, but that didn't help....
[18:54] <BlaXpirit> (i did it when reinstalling for the 3rd time)
[18:54] <jmichaelx> i notice this bug is quickly heading to the top of the list of most hated kde bugs, but it has been around for a while now. to me it is an embarassment to kde
[18:54] <GirlyGirl> BlaXpirit: I heard of this problem before can't remember how to solve it though its possible
[18:54] <yofel> jmichaelx: that is a known issue indeed
[18:55] <GirlyGirl> jmichaelx: I think its scheduled for fixing in 4.7.3
[18:55] <OerHeks> jmichaelx, i notices this bug too, after upgrade it did not happen yet
[18:55] <GirlyGirl> OerHeks: Still happens though its quite rare
[18:55] <jmichaelx> OerHeks: it has been happening to me on one machine more often than before the upgrade
[18:55] <BluesKaj> that bug is old and don't think it's been attended to
[18:56] <GirlyGirl> BlaXpirit:  How old is your hard drive ... this also happens with corrupted file system
[18:56] <Quintasan> jmichaelx: Can you reproduce it with the method in comment #38?
[18:56] <BlaXpirit> corrupted, eh. well it's a fairly new laptop
[18:57] <jmichaelx> to me, and i know i am oppinionated, that is a serious bug.... and letting it live on is pretty shameful
[18:57] <Quintasan> I can't :S
[18:57] <BlaXpirit> So what's up with http://askubuntu.com/questions/37692/ ? How do I change those numbers?
[18:57] <Quintasan> BlaXpirit: In your case it would be
[18:57] <Quintasan> sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt
[18:57] <Quintasan> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda
[18:58] <BlaXpirit> that's it?
[18:58] <Quintasan> Yup, it should reinstall GRUB
[18:58] <BlaXpirit> gonna try.
[18:58] <jmichaelx> Quintasan: i am not at that machine at the moment, but i will try to test that this evening, and maybe post what i find in that bug report
[18:58] <Quintasan> jmichaelx: I really can't reproduce it
[18:58] <Quintasan> I tried 5 times
[18:59] <BlaXpirit> No error reported.
[18:59] <BlaXpirit> reboot now?
[18:59] <Quintasan> Aha
[18:59] <Quintasan> BlaXpirit: Yes
[18:59] <Quintasan> jmichaelx: Oh god
[18:59] <Quintasan> I did get it
[18:59] <Quintasan> :/
[19:00] <yofel> it's hard to get it, but it *does* happen
[19:00] <Quintasan> This looks fairly stupid
[19:00] <Quintasan> yofel: Method from comment #38 works
[19:00] <yofel> shadeslayer: go reproduce in neon ^
[19:00] <BlaXpirit> ok,it started
[19:00] <BlaXpirit> but not nice
[19:00] <Oxymoron> how to check where current system is running? I installed ubuntu throgh Windows. I just wonder, when to restore deleted files, where to look?
[19:01] <GirlyGirl> BlaXpirit: not nice?
[19:01] <BlaXpirit> resolution is unusual, and letters in my locale are all "????"
[19:01] <Oxymoron> Where is ubuntu installed?
[19:01] <BlaXpirit> in grub OS selection
[19:01] <Oxymoron> if you install inside windows
[19:01] <GirlyGirl> BlaXpirit: did it boot?
[19:01] <BlaXpirit> grub started, i didn't select an OS yet.
[19:01] <Quintasan> BlaXpirit: Please do
[19:01] <BlaXpirit> ok
[19:02] <yofel> Oxymoron: I'm not a wubi expert, but IIRC it installs makes a VM-like file for the filesystem and installs into that
[19:02] <jmichaelx> Quintasan: yes, it's still very much there
[19:02] <yofel> *it makes a
[19:02] <Oxymoron> yofel: Alright, and all files I create in this, where on the hdd are they? :)
[19:02] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: How do I manually uninstall Wubi?
[19:02] <Quintasan> Remove C:\ubuntu and C:\wubildr*
[19:02] <BlaXpirit> so I logged in.
[19:02] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: Please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide beforehand
[19:02]  * shadeslayer looks
[19:02] <Oxymoron> yofel: I wonder where to make recovere files software should look in Windows.
[19:03] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: Wait, sorry, what do you exactly want to do?
[19:03] <Quintasan> BlaXpirit: It works?
[19:03] <shadeslayer> yofel: kde bug 275469?
[19:03] <yofel> yep
[19:03] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Fix it
[19:03] <Quintasan> :P
[19:04] <GirlyGirl> Oxymoron: If you want to unistall kubuntu wubi install you can do so in  add/remove (win xp) or programs and features (vista/7)
[19:04] <BlaXpirit> works.
[19:04] <BluesKaj> wubi is ok for trying ubuntu, but it's really not meant for serious installs IMO
[19:04] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I'm neck deep in C code and RFC's right now :P
[19:04] <shadeslayer> throw in some AI as well
[19:04] <Quintasan> BlaXpirit: Open up Konsole on the PC, and issue "sudo update-grub"
[19:04]  * shadeslayer looks at report
[19:04] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: I want to recover files, that  Dropbox *******************ers deleted on permission error in Ubuntu installed with wubi ...
[19:04] <Oxymoron> GirlyGirl: Thanks, but I do not want to unintall kubuntu
[19:05] <Oxymoron> GirlyGirl: or maybe I will, because it sucks .... not even network works
[19:05] <GirlyGirl> Oxymoron: What do you want to do? Sorry, didn't understand you
[19:05] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: Hmm, so you installed Kubuntu using Wubi, copied some files from Windows to Kubuntu and you want to recover them?
[19:05] <BlaXpirit> yay, now GRUB looks as usual!
[19:05] <BlaXpirit> thank you very much!
[19:05] <shadeslayer> heh yeah
[19:05] <Quintasan> BlaXpirit: You're welcome
[19:06] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yofel I can confirm on my very outdated neon install
[19:06] <Quintasan> :/
[19:06] <BlaXpirit> but I wonder why it was broken in the first place.
[19:06] <shadeslayer> Need to get 603 MB/968 MB of archives.
[19:06] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: No, I installed kubuntu using wubi. I copied some files to a dropbox folder, got permission error, Dropbois x server removed my files and restored to old state, now my files are fucking gone and nobody helping
[19:06] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ^^ Do you expect me to upgrade that on a 1Mbps connection? :P
[19:06] <BlaXpirit> and will it be so after all posible future installations?
[19:06] <Oxymoron> GirlyGirl: Restore deleted files, I didnt delete
[19:07] <Oxymoron> GirlyGirl: Dropbox deleted them
[19:07] <Oxymoron> byt ITSELF
[19:07] <Quintasan> BlaXpirit: It shouldn't work like this, if this persists in a future upgrade please report a bug
[19:07] <GirlyGirl> Oxymoron: Dropbox does not delete files on its own ... go to dropbox support if it did
[19:07] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: So the problem is with Dropbox, sorry we can't really help you with Dropbox eating your files
[19:08] <GirlyGirl> Oxymoron: Check on dropbox web interface if the files are still there
[19:08] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: However there in an "Show deleted files" option in the Dropbox web interface
[19:08] <Oxymoron> GirlyGirl: Well, dropbox has no support now ... I need them NOW. i am gogin to report a programming project to my techer tomorrow.
[19:08] <GirlyGirl> and by design you cannot undelete from an ext4 filesystem
[19:08] <GirlyGirl> Oxymoron: Web interface ...
[19:09] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: Recover them using dropbox web interface at http://dropbox.com
[19:09] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: Well i need to restore the deleted files, as they are locally stored on my computer also and not only on dropbox.
[19:09] <GirlyGirl> Oxymoron: https://www.dropbox.com/
[19:09] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: Dropbox does not show the deleted files, as it somehow restored to a old state and ignore latest files.
[19:09] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: Look, if you restore them on Dropbox Web interface then they should get downloaded to your PC the same moment
[19:09] <Oxymoron> Everything is just like overwritten
[19:09] <BluesKaj> dropbox doesn't work very well on kubuntu ...I swtiched to ubuntu one ...a few gtk libs never hurt anyone
[19:10] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: Yes, but they are not there on dropbox web interface
[19:10] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: Even with the "Show deleted files" option?
[19:10] <Oxymoron> Seriously, HOURS and DAYS of programmign is gone thanks to dropbox
[19:10] <GirlyGirl> BluesKaj: works fine for me
[19:10] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: Yes, EVEN with show deleted files they are not there
[19:10] <GirlyGirl> Oxymoron: I think its GIGO really
[19:10] <Quintasan> BluesKaj: Well, I just run the deamon and it works
[19:10] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: Please ask Dropbox Support then
[19:11] <Quintasan> I'm really sorry but I can't help you with that
[19:11] <Oxymoron> I also get permission error suddenly, EVEN though I own the folder completly.
[19:11] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: Well, I need files now. I rather kill dropbox support.
[19:11] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: By any chance, did you look for the files in the previous location?
[19:11] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: What you mean previous location?
[19:11] <TheLastProject> Oh God
[19:12] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: A permission error wouldn't let you copy the files instead of eatin them I think.
[19:12] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: I store the files directly in dropbox
[19:12] <TheLastProject> The green shield "Apper" uses when there are no updates feels so Windows...
[19:12]  * TheLastProject has to puke
[19:12] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: Oh :/
[19:12] <BluesKaj> GirlyGirl, the web page does but the actual dropbox app in kubuntu ?
[19:12] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: Then Dropbox Support is your only option
[19:12] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: When I got permission error all files where gone, ALL of them and OLD ONES days ago was sddenly there which my newest should overwrite if they where there
[19:12]  * dthacker pats TheLastProject on the hand:  There There, you'll get used to it.
[19:12] <GirlyGirl> BluesKaj: Yes ... agreed it did not launch before but now it works fine with the new version that came some days back
[19:13] <TheLastProject> Oh great
[19:13] <TheLastProject> I have no sound as well
[19:13] <TheLastProject> And rhythmbox suddenly looks awful
[19:13] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: I need files NOW, I cannot wait for support, I am going to report to my teacher tomorrow.
[19:13] <TheLastProject> I wish I never upgraded >_>
[19:13] <Quintasan> TheLastProject: ximon on #kubuntu-devel is open for suggestion or new artwork
[19:13] <Quintasan> :)
[19:13] <BluesKaj> GirlyGirl, ok , in the repos or do i have install from source?
[19:13] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: As I told you, I'm not Dropbox support and I can't help you.
[19:14] <GirlyGirl> BluesKaj: the .deb on the website works
[19:14] <TheLastProject> ARG
[19:14] <BluesKaj> ok
[19:14] <TheLastProject> ...
[19:14]  * TheLastProject is going to cry
[19:14] <BlaXpirit> now i'm angry at KDE
[19:15]  * jmichaelx ducks
[19:15] <BlaXpirit> my wireless card obviously has better support now, as it's recognized as "wlan0", not "eth1"
[19:15] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: WAHT A ********************* the files are back in eclipse now, but I cannot see them in dropbox?! :O
[19:15] <BlaXpirit> but KDE still doesn't want to use it
[19:15] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: You'd better save the project somewhere else then
[19:15] <Quintasan> BlaXpirit: Are you using NetworkManager plasmoid?
[19:16] <BlaXpirit> i don't know. just the default thing.
[19:16] <BlaXpirit> on the panel
[19:16] <BlaXpirit> looks like i'll have to use wicd again...
[19:16] <Quintasan> BlaXpirit: Mhm, could you run Additional drivers application from System category in KMenu?
[19:16] <GirlyGirl> BlaXpirit: try "iwlist scan"
[19:17] <BlaXpirit> jockey says that the wireless driver is installed
[19:17] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: Yes, I will never ever use Kubuntu or Dropbox again, Cloud sucks asshole.
[19:17] <drbobb> omg, why is nvidia-current over 52 MB
[19:18] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: There ir not even a working recover program in *buntu, network locks itself on laptop, graphics does not work, hdmi does not work erc.
[19:18] <BlaXpirit> wlan0 failed to read scan data: networ is down
[19:18] <jmichaelx> Oxymoron: it is very doubtful that the dropbox issue is a problem specific to kubuntu
[19:18] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: I'd appreciate it if you spared us the insults.
[19:19] <GirlyGirl> BlaXpirit: That's no kde problem then
[19:19] <BlaXpirit> we'll see about that. i bet wicd is gonna work flawlessly
[19:19] <ssfdre38> Oxymoron, dropbox works great for me on my Kubuntu so its really pertaining to your system
[19:19] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: Maybe it help you fix the problems ;) They existed YEARS, and bugs reported never fixed
[19:19] <drbobb> looks like a stupid graphics driver is larger than all of libreoffice
[19:19] <GirlyGirl> BlaXpirit: In the network manager plasmoid hit "disable wireless" wait a few secs and press "enable wireless"
[19:19] <Oxymoron> ssfdre38: it worked good, but not any more
[19:19] <GirlyGirl> BlaXpirit: Then try "iwlist scan" again
[19:20] <ssfdre38> it works great but then again i have ubuntu-desktop on my system cause it needs the Gnome file manager for it work just right
[19:20] <BlaXpirit> yep, wicd sees the list of connections. trying to connect.
[19:20] <ssfdre38> and Oxymoron that was towards you
[19:20] <Oxymoron> ssfdre38: It needs nautilus yes, which kubuntu also uses now.
[19:20] <jmichaelx> BlaXpirit: what type of wireless device do you have (usb/pci/mini-pci/etc)?
[19:21] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: Well, I would be happy to look at those reports if you care to link me to them. Wubi is not really the way to run a production environment. There are no undelete tools for Wubi because it's not running any sane file system AFAIR
[19:21] <BlaXpirit> GirlyGirl: now lots of stuff under wlan0
[19:21] <BlaXpirit> (iwlist scan, i mean)
[19:21] <ssfdre38> no KDE doesnt use Nautilus at all it only uses Dolphin
[19:21] <GirlyGirl> BlaXpirit: try connecting again
[19:21] <GirlyGirl> in network manager
[19:21] <BlaXpirit> wireless - built-in, that's a laptop
[19:22] <jmichaelx> BlaXpirit: ok, so probably mini-pci(e)
[19:22] <Quintasan> ssfdre38 and Oxymoron: It doesn't need Nautilus, really http://www.nixternal.com/kde-and-dropbox/
[19:22] <GirlyGirl> BluesKaj: look on kde-look for dropbox service menu once installed for dolphin integration
[19:22] <BlaXpirit> i can't use networ manager, the "enable wireless" checkbox goes back to unchecked when i click it
[19:22] <Quintasan> ssfdre38 and Oxymoron: That way it doesn't pull any GTK stuff
[19:22]  * GirlyGirl wonders when this became a dropbox channel
[19:22] <Quintasan> BlaXpirit: Did you run Additional drivers and checked if there are any for your WiFi card?
[19:23] <GirlyGirl> BlaXpirit: What wifi card is this?
[19:23] <yofel> TheLastProject: that rythmbox looks bad is probably because you have no gtk3 theme installed - we don't ship one by default as there's not really one that fits into KDE yet
[19:23] <BlaXpirit> broadcom something
[19:23] <BlaXpirit> and yes, the driver is installed, as i wrote before
[19:23] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: I have linked bug reports several times to developers, none seem to care. it is a shame, I really want to like Kubuntu and Ubuntu, but cannot. I tried several times and then in the end it becomes windows dual boot with kubuntu
[19:23] <Quintasan> I'd still like to see the bug reports.
[19:23] <BlaXpirit> Broadcom BCM4313
[19:24] <Quintasan> BlaXpirit: Did you try Wicd?
[19:24] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: Everytime you upgrade, nothing works, which mean you need to remove verything and do clean install instead, because of package conflicts and config files conflict with new ones.
[19:24] <BlaXpirit> yes, as i also wrote before
[19:24] <BlaXpirit> and it works
[19:24] <Quintasan> At least that.
[19:24] <BlaXpirit> i just need to enter my huge passphrase to actually connect. but so far i at least see the lit of connections in wicd
[19:25] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: That's not a bug report and I'm perfectly fine running an upgraded install.
[19:25] <BlaXpirit> s button lags.. that was supposed to be "list"
[19:25] <GirlyGirl> Oxymoron: I have a system that has been upgraded from karmic all the way up one by one and still runs fine
[19:25] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: For instance https://bugs.launchpad.net/lpbugreporter/+bug/752542
[19:26] <Oxymoron> Some things work on upgrade, but most get wrong with config files, problem with installing new things, problem with sound, graphics etc.
[19:26] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: This is an information tracking bug
[19:26] <BlaXpirit> yup, wicd works flawlessly.
[19:27] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/590316
[19:27] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: That's nvidia, we can't fix that as we do not have access to the source code
[19:27] <Quintasan> We can only ASK them to fix it
[19:27] <Quintasan> As with the infamous "Freeze on Konsole resize bug"
[19:27] <BlaXpirit> oh, that was great.
[19:28] <TheLastProject> I have two pretty serious issues: 1. My sound doesn't work anymore after upgrading to Kubuntu 11.10; 2. Several applications like Rhythmbox miss the layout, they look really dull and Windows 3.1-ish
[19:28] <BlaXpirit> i got it 2 or 3 times
[19:28] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: It doesnt work with Intel HDMI either.
[19:28] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: Well, nvidia driver is not supposed to work with Intel HDMI magic
[19:28] <Quintasan> TheLastProject: ad. 2 as yofel we do not ship a GTK3 theme because there is none that fits KDE
[19:29] <Quintasan> ad 1. Did you try setting up sound in System settings?
[19:29] <drbobb> BlaXpirit: I have a BCM4313, it works fine on kubuntu
[19:29] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: I searched all google to try to fix hdmi, do not work at all. Hybrid graphics does noyt work. I can point a lot more bugs, but I dont even remeber all bugs as I stopped care. Would try to fix, but it feels dark in the dev world.
[19:29] <Quintasan> drbobb: This is probably a problem with networkmanagment :/
[19:30] <TheLastProject> Quintasan: So, there is no way I can get Rhytmbox to look normal again?
[19:30] <GirlyGirl> drbobb: BlaXpirit I think I have used one in the past too not sure thoug
[19:30] <GirlyGirl> h
[19:30] <TheLastProject> (Also just got another tip, going to try that first)
[19:30] <yofel> TheLastProject: sure there is, install a gtk3 theme
[19:30] <drbobb> Quintasan: I had no problems setting mine up
[19:30] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: I'm trying to tell you that we can't fix CLOSED SOURCE drivers because we do not have the access to SOURCE
[19:30] <Quintasan> drbobb: Really? :S
[19:31]  * Quintasan sometimes thinks that rm -rf ~/.kde is the solution
[19:31] <drbobb> well before Maveric it was a hassle, but not anymore
[19:31] <drbobb> Maverick
[19:31] <Oxymoron> Another bug happened to me latetly, when my computer is going to hybernate, networkmanager LOCKS itself. Then I try to restart computer and it waits for authorization, I type in pass for KDE Deamon module, but it still waits. Then try to select wifi network, it locks aagain and it never works, forever loop
[19:31] <GirlyGirl> Quintasan: Agreed
[19:31] <Quintasan> do not issue that command
[19:31] <BlaXpirit> anyway, wicd is good enough, maybe even better. thanks for help!
[19:31] <TheLastProject> yofel: Any clue where I can find gtk3 themes?
[19:31] <GirlyGirl> TheLastProject: gnome-look.org
[19:31] <BluesKaj> cool GirlyGirl , Quintasan, I did the cli tutorial at the bottom of this page. http://www.nixternal.com/kde-and-dropbox/ ...worked well :)
[19:32] <Oxymoron> It is like Networkmanager do not get authorixation and cannot autoconnect to wifi network
[19:32] <Quintasan> TheLastProject: There is one in repos gtk3-engines-unico
[19:32] <Quintasan> I think it should work
[19:32] <yofel> TheLastProject: not sure, in gtk2 days the themes were called gtk2-theme* gtk2-engine*, there is gtk3-engines-unico at least
[19:32] <GirlyGirl> Oxymoron: So it finds ssid?
[19:32] <Quintasan> BluesKaj: Be sure to thank nixternal if he shows up here :)
[19:33] <Oxymoron> GirlyGirl: Yes, finds wifi spots, but it locks me out w it works, I do not know what I do, restart computer 10 times, and logout -ogin etc and it is different each time
[19:33] <jmichaelx> ok, just finished another upgrade..... and i also seem to have lost wireless :-D
[19:33] <Oxymoron> GirlyGirl: It does not work with sudo service network-manager restart either
[19:34] <BlaXpirit> wicd is for you then..
[19:34] <BluesKaj> \yeah , that nick is vaguely familair , but my memory is bad, Quintasan :)
[19:34] <Oxymoron> GirlyGirl: Suddenly one time it just works again. What I did last time was to change that it does not store password secrets, it prompts each time I want to connect
[19:34] <GirlyGirl> Oxymoron: "sudo apt-get install nm-applet" then ALT  + F2 "nm-apple" check if that connects
[19:34] <Quintasan> yofel: That said, I haven't seen nixternal a long time
[19:35] <GirlyGirl> Oxymoron: or with delete the network profile ... set up the network again and check "system connection"
[19:35]  * GirlyGirl likes atheros network cards the best
[19:35] <Oxymoron> GirlyGirl: So the problem is that network secrets get locked someway and kdewallet does not report to network manager properly when it happens. This only happens when my  laptop runing low battery, everything just disabled
[19:35] <Quintasan> jmichaelx: Well, that bug is really stupid
[19:35] <yofel> Quintasan: me neither..
[19:35] <Oxymoron> GirlyGirl: yes, I deleted my network profiles and everything, didnt work
[19:36] <Quintasan> jmichaelx: If there is a fix somewhere we will backport it probably
[19:36] <GirlyGirl> Oxymoron: you checked "system connection"
[19:37] <jmichaelx> Quintasan: it turns out my wireless is actually working, it's just that my wireless settings were lost in the upgrade
[19:37] <GirlyGirl> Oxymoron: check connect auto and system connection ... then no kde wallet is used
[19:37] <drbobb> wow, 490 packages to update/install
[19:37] <Quintasan> jmichaelx: Damn.
[19:37] <BlaXpirit> btw, i don't have kpackagekit or apper on fresh install, if you're interested
[19:38] <Quintasan> jmichaelx: Ehh, how ofter this empty task manager entry triggers for you?
[19:38] <Quintasan> BlaXpirit: Good.
[19:39] <BluesKaj> I wish the toolbar/titlebar fonts as root on dolphin and kate would integrate with my root system settings , for some reason the text inside files are fine but the toolbarand titlebars are so small they're unreadable
[19:39] <jmichaelx> Quintasan: well, in natty, a LOT.... with oneiric, that still remains somewhat to be seen
[19:39] <drbobb> in muon the pane that displays the description of the selected package is too small, and seems to be not resizable
[19:39] <TheLastProject> I installed gtk3-engines-unico, rebooted but still no GTK themes =/
[19:39] <GirlyGirl> BluesKaj: Default fonts are small increase them by 1
[19:40] <BluesKaj> GirlyGirl, they don't follow the systemsettings fonts that I setup as root even in application appearances
[19:41] <GirlyGirl> Quintasan: easy work arround for task manager ... use "plasma-widget-smooth-tasks"
[19:41] <GirlyGirl> BluesKaj: "kdesu systemsettings"
[19:41] <Quintasan> GirlyGirl: You know, I care about what users get by default, telling them to use something else is not really elegant :)
[19:41] <GirlyGirl> Quintasan: true but its a work arround
[19:42] <Oxymoron> GirlyGirl: System connection?
[19:42] <GirlyGirl> Oxymoron: yes
[19:42] <BluesKaj> GirlyGirl, the fonts work  in the user mode , but not root mode ...yes that's exactly what i did
[19:42] <drbobb> as for muon, too bad it's impossible to view details of what's going on while installing stuff
[19:42] <Oxymoron> GirlyGirl: Cannot check system connection if auto connect is on?
[19:42] <drbobb> my upgrade has been on Preparing kde-window-manager for like ten minutes now
[19:43] <GirlyGirl> Oxymoron: check only system connection then
[19:43] <GirlyGirl> strange I have both checked myself!
[19:44] <drbobb> the upgrade is probably stuck, but how can I know
[19:44] <TheLastProject> Muon Package Manager "Unmark" button is broken =
[19:44] <TheLastProject> =/
[19:44] <TheLastProject> Great =/
[19:45] <GirlyGirl> drbobb: analyse processes with "ksysguard"
[19:45] <BlaXpirit> it aint broken
[19:45] <TheLastProject> The unmark button does nothing. Not even unmark =/
[19:45] <GirlyGirl> TheLastProject: not confirmed
[19:45] <TheLastProject> I'll send a bug report later or so
[19:45] <drbobb> GirlyGirl: and how is that supposed to help?
[19:46] <TheLastProject> First I am busy trying to get my gtk3 themes back =/
[19:46] <GirlyGirl> drbobb: what is supposed to help?
[19:46] <drbobb> ksysguard
[19:46] <GirlyGirl> drbobb: run it as root it has a process analyser
[19:47] <drbobb> all it shows me is that the muon process is quite idle
[19:47] <GirlyGirl> drbobb: apt-get upgrade might have been better
[19:48] <GirlyGirl> edit: dist
[19:48] <drbobb> funny how each iteration of stuff becomes less functiona;
[19:48] <drbobb> l
[19:48] <drbobb> adept package manager was actually quite good
[19:49]  * BluesKaj wonders if this is uid thing about the fonts not holding their settings as root
[19:49] <BluesKaj> drbobb, i still use synaptic
[19:49] <BluesKaj> mostly as a refernce tho
[19:51] <jmichaelx> ok, why the heck did amarok get removed in my dist-upgrade?
[19:52] <drbobb> okay, so it's back to command-line
[19:52] <drbobb> jmichaelx: good riddance, try clementine instead
[19:52] <jmichaelx> amarok : Depends: libmtp9 (>= 1.1.0) but it is not going to be installed
[19:53] <BlaXpirit> what the hey? why is the new Kubuntu shipped with KDE 4.7.1??
[19:53] <TheLastProject> I installed gtk3-engines-unico, rebooted but still no GTK themes =/
[19:53] <drbobb> dung, I left my laptop's power adapter at work somewhere
[19:55] <yofel> BlaXpirit: 4.7.2 was released to late, 4.7.2 is in the process to get into oneiric, until then use ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[19:56] <drbobb> yofel: is the ppa kde more or less buggy than the release?
[19:56] <yofel> well, 4.7.2 *should* have less bugs than 4.7.1. It won't make much difference for Kdepim though, as we tried to get as many fixes into the archive packages as possible
[19:57] <BlaXpirit> umm actually i'm updating to 4.7.2 right now
[19:58] <BlaXpirit> but what's up with heavy blue color instead of light blue in listboxes etc???
[19:58] <BlaXpirit> (selected items)
[19:58] <drbobb> I hardly ever used any of the kdepim stuff at all, wasn't very useful
[19:58] <BlaXpirit> really looks out of place, and windows-ish
[19:58] <drbobb> but I had come to rely on kmail while it was quite solid
[19:59] <drbobb> Unable to connect to archive.canonical.com:http:
[19:59] <drbobb> darn
[19:59] <drbobb> (trying to keep the channel family-friendly, etc.)
[20:01] <yofel> the archive.canonical.com error is known and someone's looking at it AFAIK
[20:01] <jmichaelx> hmm, i thought the archive.canonical.com issue had been fixed
[20:02] <jmichaelx> archive.canonical.com seems to be working here
[20:02] <yofel> from what I know it's just a hopelessly overloaded server, works every now and then
[20:02] <jmichaelx> ahh
[20:04] <jmichaelx> for some reason, apt remove a ton of packages during the upgrade on one machine... things like the flash plugin
[20:05] <jmichaelx> OK, NEVERMIND
[20:05] <yofel> try using do-release-upgrade if you want to upgrade
[20:05] <jmichaelx> (minus the caps)
[20:05] <yofel> has probably something to do with multiarch
[20:05] <jmichaelx> yup
[20:06] <jmichaelx> i had forgotten about that
[20:08] <jmichaelx> so for 64 bit systems, what is the proper package to install for the flash plugin?
[20:10] <yofel> adobe-flashplugin from the partner repos
[20:10] <jmichaelx> and not flashplugin-installer?
[20:11] <yofel> that'll still pull in the 32bit version and relies on multiarch
[20:11] <orava> any luck with getting banshee working with 11.10? :)
[20:11] <yofel> adobe-flashplugin is the 64bit plugin
[20:11] <bobweaver> hi there I think that I earsed my kernels
[20:12] <bobweaver> I have mounted the sda to a live cd right now
[20:12] <bobweaver> and only see  vmlinuz.old@
[20:12] <bobweaver> and only see vmlinuz.old.img@
[20:12] <yofel> the kernels are in /boot
[20:12] <bobweaver> thanks
[20:12] <yofel> vmlinuz-*
[20:12] <jmichaelx> ok... i will give the 64 bit a shot... i had tried it on a few machines while 11 was in beta, and did not like it. have mostly still been using the last 10.x flash 'square' preview
[20:13] <bobweaver> It is not in there
[20:13] <jmichaelx> i see now the issues with archive.canonical.com
[20:14] <bobweaver> how to reinstall ?
[20:14] <yofel> bobweaver: no vmlinuz files?
[20:14] <yofel> bobweaver: how did you get to that again?
[20:14] <bobweaver> only old one 1,6.38-8
[20:14] <bobweaver> only old one 2,6.38-8
[20:15] <yofel> can't you boot that?
[20:15] <bobweaver> with the how to get back to pure kde
[20:15] <bobweaver> No I can not boot woith that
[20:15] <bobweaver> I tryted
[20:15] <yofel> ouch - you could try to chroot and install linux-image-generic
[20:16] <bobweaver> chroot /mnt/ ?
[20:16] <bobweaver> that is where I have it mounted
[20:16] <bobweaver> I have never used chroot
[20:17] <yofel> bobweaver: ok, give me a sec
[20:17] <bobweaver> yofel: thank you so much :>)
[20:18] <Yours3lf> Hi, I've just upgraded my kubuntu from 11.04 to 11.10 it doesnt boot in stops at the blue screen I could only get command l
[20:18] <Yours3lf> Line access with ctrl alt f1
[20:19] <yofel> bobweaver: do the instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#ChRoot UNTIL step 8, you don't need the grub part for now
[20:19] <bobweaver> yofel:  sudo etc/init.d/kdm start
[20:19] <bobweaver> Yours3lf: : sudo etc/init.d/kdm start
[20:19] <bobweaver> sorry
[20:19] <Yours3lf> To add i had to uninstall the ati driver after the updates to make it there
[20:20] <yofel> Yours3lf: aah, then 'sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf' first, after that try 'sudo service kdm restart"
[20:20] <Yours3lf> Already runs
[20:21] <Yours3lf> I mean kdm
[20:21] <yofel> Yours3lf: and restart doesn't do a thing?
[20:23] <drbobb> when nothing else works, I try a reboot....
[20:23] <jmichaelx> hmmm, no audio since upgrade
[20:24] <Yours3lf> Ok removed restarted i've got graphical aceess i. E. Gui,  but when i try to log in it fails to load the desktop, so i get dropped. Bakc to the login screen
[20:24] <TheLastProject> jmichaelx, try deleting ~/.pulse
[20:24] <TheLastProject> That fixed it for me
[20:25] <yofel> Yours3lf: ok, check ~/.xsession-errors, it should have *some* indication why the session failed to start
[20:25] <jmichaelx> TheLastProject: i was able to get it going in alsamixer by increasing volume on a slider labeled "front" (i don't think that was there before)
[20:25] <TheLastProject> Ah, okay o,o
[20:25] <TheLastProject> Thanks for the info o,o
[20:27] <Yours3lf> Ok i rebooted
[20:28] <Yours3lf> Xsession: xsession started,  fatal io error client killed, sessionmanager destroyed witb sessions st alive
[20:28] <yofel> ok.. check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:29] <yofel> or rather /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[20:30] <Yours3lf> Ok its long :) whar shall i look for?
[20:31] <yofel> scroll to the bottom, if there's no error there, look for any line that has [EE] in it
[20:31] <ashwin> how can i upgrade to 11.10?
[20:31]  * bobweaver crosses fingers time for a reboot 
[20:32] <Yours3lf> Ok from bottom the fist ee is: glx couldnt load software renderer
[20:34] <Yours3lf> Then i have aiglx reverting to software mode
[20:34] <ashwin> how can i upgrade to Oneiric.there is no upgrade button in kpackagekit?
[20:35] <Yours3lf> It complains about not being able to open /usr/lib/dri-alternTes/r600_dri. So
[20:35] <yofel> how did you install the ati driver?
[20:36] <yofel> ashwin: make sure your package cache is up to date, then https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OneiricUpgrades/Kubuntu should work
[20:37] <Yours3lf> From command line in recovery mode with recommended settings but it is now uninstalled because it prevented me from even getting the command line, kubuntu froze at booting, at the blue screen
[20:39] <yofel> Yours3lf: ati driver from upstream or the package?
[20:39] <yofel> I'm not particualry familiar with the ati drivers :/
[20:39] <MeanderingCode> Hello, all
[20:39] <MeanderingCode> The help doc recommends "installing over" w/o wiping the partition in order to upgrade skipping a version
[20:40] <MeanderingCode> Anyone have experience / advice?
[20:40] <Yours3lf> From amd. Com
[20:41] <yofel> hm, then the driver probably overwrote some of the system files, at least the nvidia driver does that...
[20:41] <MeanderingCode> Particularly, I'm wondering: will it install default /etc files, keep non-default software installed (plus their /etc files), and other system level installs (icons, /opt, etc) ?
[20:42] <Yours3lf> Ok lemme try installing the ati driver back again because the last one was installed to 11.04
[20:43] <shadeslayer> Yours3lf: please uninstall the current one from AMD first then
[20:43] <OerHeks> nice, Significant reductions in memory usage (up to 32%) and the subsequent savings in KDE's loading time (up to 33%) can be had simply by installing the package kubuntu-low-fat-settings
[20:44] <shadeslayer> and then check /var/log/Xorg.log if it doesn't work
[20:44] <Daskreech> Yours3lf: what driver are you using?
[20:44] <shadeslayer> OerHeks: yes
[20:44] <Daskreech> From ATI?
[20:44] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: he installed it from the AMD site
[20:44] <shadeslayer> OerHeks: doesn't give you compositing tho :)
[20:44] <Daskreech> I'd suggest that unless you have particular reason to do so use the one from the Kernel
[20:44] <BlaXpirit> oh snap! ttf-mscore-installer is being configured for ages. what do i do?
[20:44] <BlaXpirit> mscorefonts*
[20:45] <Daskreech> AMD has been working in the kernel for about 2 years so the driver there is pretty good
[20:45] <Daskreech> Only for certain bits they can't publish the code for and things like workstation videocards do they still have a separate closed driver
[20:45] <shadeslayer> BlaXpirit: what does the log in /var/log/dpkg.log say?
[20:46] <Daskreech> I've a 6 core APU from AMD with a pretty new video card and the driver in the kernel pretty much works
[20:46] <Yours3lf> Ok so i installed 11.9 under 11.04 then i upgraded to 11.10 and i couldnt boot because it froze at the blue screen, so i uninstalled it.
[20:46] <shadeslayer> Actually, I have to leave, off to sleep
[20:46] <MeanderingCode> Or does anyone have any other input on moving from 10.10 to 11.10 ?
[20:47] <Daskreech> Yours3lf: You would have to rerun the installer. The installer is a bootstrap that recompiles for whatever kernel you are running
[20:47] <BlaXpirit> last entry is 6min ago
[20:47] <Daskreech>  obviously doing a major upgrade will change you kernel number so you have recompile
[20:47] <Daskreech> but I think that what is shipped as a standard should work pretty well and would save you a lot of trouble
[20:48] <yofel> MeanderingCode: the installer will delete all the system folders except /home if I remember correctly
[20:48] <yofel> MeanderingCode: so you'll loose all settings except your user data
[20:48] <MeanderingCode> yofel: and pkgs too, then
[20:48] <MeanderingCode> thanks
[20:49] <BlaXpirit> aaarrgh! will i have to stop the install/upgrade abruptly!?
[20:49] <MeanderingCode> what about using dist-upgrade to jump to 11.10
[20:49] <MeanderingCode> ?
[20:49] <BlaXpirit> it's the whole kde update and installation of ton of programs
[20:49] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: how are you liking that new APU?
[20:49] <yofel> BlaXpirit: what's at the end of /var/log/apt/term.log ?
[20:49] <Daskreech> I never run out of CPU power anymore :)
[20:49] <jmichaelx> lol
[20:49] <Daskreech> but that does mean I start to hit memory limits a lot faster
[20:49] <yofel> MeanderingCode: 10.10 -> 11.10 isn't officially supported, so if you want to try it, feel free to, but don't complain if it doesn't work
[20:49] <BlaXpirit> http request sent
[20:50] <yofel> MeanderingCode: the only supported upgrade path is 10.10 -> 11.04 -> 11.10
[20:50] <Yours3lf> Rerun the 11.10 installer?
[20:50] <BlaXpirit> awaiting response
[20:50] <Daskreech> I had Nepomuk running at 102% of my CPU for 6 hours before I noticed it
[20:50] <Daskreech> and I had to check to see it
[20:50] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i would not have been aware of the relation btwn # of CPUs and memory use
[20:50] <MeanderingCode> yofel: that much i know.  just wondering if there were any clues as to the things that might not play nice
[20:50] <Daskreech> Well the computer is as good as it's weakest point
[20:51] <jmichaelx> yea
[20:51] <Daskreech>  Right now I need more RAM
[20:51] <BlaXpirit> yofel, so?
[20:51] <bobweaver> yofel: hate to say it but it did not work :>(
[20:51] <Daskreech> and maybe some more swap space
[20:51] <jmichaelx> how much is installed atm?
[20:51] <Daskreech> Yours3lf: if you like
[20:51] <yofel> MeanderingCode: can't remember right now, it's mostly packaging transitions that get dropped again once the release is out, so you might have to take care of some dependency resolutions yourself
[20:51] <Daskreech>  it should have hooks to the new kernel
[20:51] <yofel> MeanderingCode: and possibly some overwrite errors
[20:51] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: 4 GB
[20:51] <bobweaver> but I know see config-3.0.0-12-generic
[20:52] <bobweaver> looks like they are back
[20:52] <Daskreech> with 1GB swap cause I'm an idiot
[20:52] <yofel> bobweaver: hm, still no vmlinuz?
[20:52] <BlaXpirit> yofel: "HTTP request sent, awaiting response..." is in the end of the log, what now?
[20:52] <bobweaver> vmlinuz-3.0.0-12-generic
[20:52] <bobweaver> it is there now
[20:52] <yofel> BlaXpirit: are you connected to the net? seems like it hung itself up downloading the fonts
[20:52] <Yours3lf> Ok i've downloaded the driver to my mobile (here) so i'm gon log off for a monute to connect it to the pc
[20:52] <jmichaelx> i did notice last night that my desktop was usingswap during dist-upgrade, on a quade core machine with 4GB RAM.... was a little surprised
[20:52] <BlaXpirit> yofel: i'm connected, yes
[20:53] <yofel> BlaXpirit: then I don't know - other than aborting and running 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' in Konsole
[20:53] <BlaXpirit> this thing sucks, why can't it skip? T_T
[20:53] <BlaXpirit> i'll never trust Muon anything important again
[20:54] <BlaXpirit> so how do I abort?
[20:54] <bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/707568/  <--sda10
[20:54] <BlaXpirit> kill muon or what
[20:54] <yofel> I fear that isn't a Muon problem... Update Manager wouldn't handle this well either...
[20:55] <bobweaver> maybe it is kdm then ?
[20:55] <OvermindDL1> 11.10 stable upgrade *just* popped up on my screen, is this safe to upgrade to or will it screw things over like the 10.10 to 11.04 upgrade?
[20:55] <yofel> BlaXpirit: hm, something else: did you get a window asking your for the mscorefonts license?
[20:55] <OvermindDL1> Ubuntu's fault that was...
[20:55] <yofel> *asking you
[20:55] <BlaXpirit> earlier, i accepted.
[20:55] <BlaXpirit> it stuck on "impact.exe" download from sourceforge
[20:56] <BlaXpirit> too late, i killd muon anyway
[20:56] <yofel> worked fine here :/
[20:56] <BlaXpirit> "dpkg status database is locked by another process"
[20:56] <BlaXpirit> so i killed muon, what else to kill? -_-
[20:56] <yofel> !aptlock
[20:58] <BlaXpirit> "Kill process 14740? (y/N) y" in endless loop. wtf?
[20:58] <bobweaver> BlaXpirit: what is that
[20:58] <bobweaver> BlaXpirit: ps aux | grep  14740
[20:59] <BlaXpirit> that "fuser" didn't work
[20:59] <BlaXpirit> i just went to ctrl+esc and decided to kill dpkg
[20:59] <BlaXpirit> works now
[20:59] <yofel> bobweaver: yeah, vmlinuz is there.. where did it get stuck this time again?
[20:59] <bobweaver> just wont boot
[20:59] <bobweaver> on plymouth it sticks
[20:59] <bobweaver> no up or down
[21:00] <bobweaver> to change the view
[21:00] <bobweaver> either
[21:00] <yofel> can you get to a tty?
[21:00] <bobweaver> nope ohh how I wish
[21:00] <bobweaver> soon
[21:00] <bobweaver> *0*
[21:01] <bobweaver> how to chroot then reconfigure kdm ?
[21:01] <well_laid_lawn> !chroot
[21:02] <bobweaver> thanks well_laid_lawn
[21:02] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[21:02] <bobweaver> and !bot
[21:07] <SJr> How do I stop getting pestered for the onercic update?
[21:07] <BlaXpirit> install it
[21:07] <SJr> nah I'll do that when I have time
[21:08] <MeanderingCode> Okay, so how do I update 10.10 to 11.04?  upgrade-manager-core?
[21:08] <BlaXpirit> well, i remember some setting in "software sources"
[21:10] <yofel> MeanderingCode: sudo do-release-upgrade
[21:10] <bobweaver> hoe to reconfigure kdm ?  sudo dpkg -reconfigure kdm   <-wrong
[21:10] <MeanderingCode> SJr: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8439606&postcount=2
[21:10] <bobweaver> how not hoe *
[21:10] <yofel> bobweaver: what do you want to do?
[21:10] <MeanderingCode> yofel: will that take me to 11.10?  I'm thinking i should go one by one :/
[21:11] <bobweaver> reconfigure kdm
[21:11] <yofel> MeanderingCode: that'll take you to 11.04 first
[21:11] <MeanderingCode> okay, great, thanks
[21:11] <yofel> bobweaver: reconfiguring kdm usually doesn't do anything useful
[21:11] <Exilant> in kubuntu 11.10, is there a way to restart the bluetooth stuff? after suspend, it stops working for me, and with a bt mouse that is quite annoying. the systray icon reports "no adapters found". Any ideas/solutions? could not find a recent bug report, so i suspect it's not a common problem
[21:11] <yofel> at least not dpkg-reconfigure-ing it
[21:11] <yofel> bobweaver: unless you want to switch DM's
[21:12] <yofel> Exilant: does 'rfkill list' show that bluetooth is on?
[21:12] <Exilant> shouldn't that reconfigure ask which manager to use, if xdm or gdm is also installed?
[21:12] <MeanderingCode> new question: I installed drivers (can't remember from where) to run my touchpad as proper multitouch...are those going to live through a double release upgrade?
[21:12] <bobweaver> rebootin time
[21:12] <bobweaver> cya soon
[21:12] <Exilant> yofel, i'll try
[21:13] <MeanderingCode> or is that better supported and I can somehow remove my "special" ones for repo ones?
[21:13] <MeanderingCode> (if i can figure out where they are in the first place :/)
[21:14] <MeanderingCode> oops: do-release-upgrade says there are no new releases :/
[21:14] <yofel> Exilant: it should yes, I forgot about that for a sec
[21:15] <MeanderingCode> changing my "never" to "normal" in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades fixed that
[21:16] <Exilant> yofel: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/707581/ (after suspend/resume, should have tried before to see if it changes)
[21:16] <yofel> hm... that looks fine... try 'sudo rfkill block bluetooth; sudo rfkill unblock bluetooth"
[21:19] <Exilant> yofel: didn't change anything i see
[21:19] <yofel> hm, I sometimes use that on my netbook to get bluedevil to recoginse the device :/
[21:20] <yofel> there's also 'sudo service bluetooth restart'  - but I'm not quite sure what that does
[21:20] <drbobb> apper looks like it has a good bit more functionality than muon
[21:21] <bobweaver> \0/ thanks you guys ROCK yofel well_laid_lawn thanks again
[21:21] <bobweaver> no more gnome stuff \0/
[21:22] <Yours3lf> Ok i reinstalled the 11.9 driver andnow i could login with gui,  but i had to use a non-default method at the login screen
[21:22] <yofel> drbobb: I'm having my issues with it, although those are more on the packagkit side than on apper's - and IMO muon's options are fine, and muon-installer isn't meant to have many
[21:23] <Exilant> yofel: cool, that 'sudo service bluetooth restart' did it, thanks a lot
[21:23] <Yours3lf> Kdeinit4 and printer applet crashed :(
[21:24] <drbobb> yofel: muon doesn't even have a decen search
[21:24] <yofel> drbobb: so far I've found everything I looked for
[21:24] <drbobb> it can't find apper ;)
[21:25] <drbobb> and you can't choose whether to search on name, description etc.
[21:25] <yofel> muon finds it, that muon-installer doesn't is because apper isn't registered as an application
[21:25] <yofel> the ubuntu software center wouldn't find it either
[21:26] <drbobb> *sigh* anoher reason to stick to cli and apt-cache
[21:27] <bobweaver> !tty
[21:28] <Yours3lf> Ok i guess i will reinstall the whole system bcause it apps are crashing like crazy :)
[21:31] <Yours3lf> Thanks guys for the help now i gotta go bye
[21:37] <drbobb> I have ugly large fonts in my google chrome's menus, how do I bring it's appearence more in line with kde?
[21:38] <galvao> Hi, everyone. Can anyone please tell me de MD5 hash for Kubuntu 11.10 64 bits?
[21:38] <galvao> My CD failed the integrity check so I'm suspecting the iso I've downloaded is corrupted
[21:39] <well_laid_lawn> !md5
[21:41] <galvao> I'm on Kubuntu. And the hash for the 11.10 release is not on the page yet
[21:41] <galvao> hence I'm asking here
[21:47] <galvao> well, so much for great help
[21:49] <yofel> o.O
[21:49] <yofel> the hash is there...
[21:49] <Newbee> hey
[21:49] <Newbee> i have updatet to the new kubuntu and kmail
[21:50] <Newbee> everything works now, besides kmail complains about the mail server not to offer uids
[21:50] <Newbee> can i disable that? I get every message 10 times in my post box and kmail complains all the time!
[21:54]  * yofel never saw that warning yet o.O
[22:21] <fremmi> !list
[22:30] <Daskreech> Newbee: Can You take a screenshot of it?
[22:40] <fremmi> list
[22:40] <fremmi> !list
[22:41] <Daskreech> fremmi: You tried that before not likely to change in 30 minutes
[22:59] <lee_> I have on itty bitty question that hs left me scratching my head about Kubuntu
[23:01] <lee_> why, must we load "Ubuntu Software Center" in order to get "myplayerthmbs"?
[23:01] <lee_> and it is For kde?
[23:03] <lee_> aside from that, I have no complaints :)
[23:03] <lee_> hello
[23:05] <Daskreech> lee_: You don't have it
[23:05] <Daskreech> Have to
[23:06] <Mausschubser> hello and good evening
[23:06] <Daskreech>  Hello and good morning :)
[23:06] <Mausschubser> Daskreech:  where are you ? :-)
[23:06] <Mausschubser> I want to save my list of installed programms according to this "guide"
[23:06] <Mausschubser> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/apt-get#Paketliste-zur-Wiederherstellung-erzeugen
[23:07] <Mausschubser> my problem is that I am running live-CD right now and the path will not be the right one
[23:07] <Mausschubser> I have to change it but into what?
[23:08] <Daskreech> Mausschubser: mount your hard drive and chroot into it
[23:08] <Mausschubser> Daskreech:  already mounted
[23:09] <Mausschubser> by dolphin
[23:10] <Daskreech> Mausschubser: chroot into it with konsole
[23:11] <Mausschubser> Daskreech:  could you be a little bit more precise please? I am not very familiar with Konsole and CLI
[23:12] <Daskreech> Mausschubser: ok :)
[23:12] <Daskreech> Mausschubser: you know where the hard drive is mounted to?
[23:12] <Daskreech>  it should be in /media/disk I think
[23:12] <Mausschubser> Daskreech:  yes, thats's right
[23:13] <Daskreech> Mausschubser: ok then you are going to chroot /media/disk
[23:13] <Mausschubser> I see
[23:13] <Daskreech> it should change the prompt to #
[23:13] <Mausschubser> operation not permitted
[23:13] <Daskreech> sudo chroot
[23:13] <Mausschubser> sudo helped
[23:13] <Mausschubser> ok, there is the #
[23:14] <Daskreech> try ls /home
[23:14] <Daskreech> should see your users
[23:14] <Mausschubser> yes
[23:14] <Mausschubser> there is only one
[23:14] <Mausschubser> me :-)
[23:15] <Mausschubser> myself
[23:15] <g0rs> is ubuntu worth upgrading? gnome 2 seems better than the newer versions.
[23:15] <Mausschubser> hello g0rs
[23:15] <Daskreech> ok so now you are trapped in your hard drive and all the commands should be as you expect
[23:15] <g0rs> hi Mausschubser
[23:15] <Daskreech> g0rs: wrong chan and if it doesn't seem like it is then dont upgrade
[23:15] <g0rs> greetings Mausschubser
[23:16] <Daskreech> install a virtual machine or test out the new one on a different computer
[23:16] <Mausschubser> Daskreech:  I see. great
[23:16] <g0rs> Daskreech: i was planning to do that Daskreech
[23:16] <Daskreech> Mausschubser: Great little tool eh? :)
[23:16] <g0rs> i have virtualbox
[23:16] <Mausschubser> yep
[23:16] <Daskreech> g0rs: Cool :)
[23:17] <g0rs> Mausschubser: are you in germany?
[23:17] <Mausschubser> yes
[23:17] <Mausschubser> my name told you
[23:17] <Daskreech> Mausschubser: It's alittle annoying at times how difficult some problems seem till you realise that it's really easy under Linux
[23:17] <g0rs> Mausschubser: yes, it is something to do with mouse
[23:17] <Mausschubser> Daskreech:  ok, I will try to save the list
[23:17] <g0rs> mous schubser?
[23:18] <Daskreech> ok let us know if there is any problems
[23:18] <g0rs> mouse schubser?
[23:18] <g0rs> :)
[23:18] <Mausschubser> g0rs:  very good :-)
[23:18] <Mausschubser> I have to look up the "schubser"
[23:18] <g0rs> we havent seen a mickymouse this year so far :D
[23:19] <Mausschubser> g0rs:  it's the one who pushes the mouse around
[23:19] <g0rs> Mausschubser: have you installed the newer version of ubuntu or you're still using gnome2?
[23:20] <g0rs> Mausschubser: \o/
[23:20] <Mausschubser> g0rs: as Daskreech already said, we are in Kubuntu
[23:20] <Mausschubser> room
[23:20] <Mausschubser> guess what I am using ;-)
[23:20] <g0rs> Mausschubser: my bad. I have kde and gnome. I prefer gnome though
[23:20] <Mausschubser> no problem. I prefer KDE
[23:20] <g0rs> Mausschubser: what's that you're using?
[23:21] <Mausschubser> I like the graphics and the possibility to be able to tune almost everything
[23:21] <Mausschubser> Kubuntu 11.04
[23:21] <Mausschubser> back in 1 min
[23:22] <g0rs> Mausschubser: yes, its possible to customize more with kde. at one time i did make my computer look like it is from a space age :)
[23:22] <g0rs> Mausschubser: kde looks good on transparent desktops
[23:22] <Daskreech> :-)
[23:24] <g0rs> Daskreech: i'm looking for transparent window themes in gnome :D
[23:25] <ScottyK> what's the command to upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10 via the command line? I thought it was apt-get dist-upgrade but that doesn't do anything. Kpackage is showing the upgrade though..
[23:26] <yofel> ScottyK: if https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OneiricUpgrades/Kubuntu doesn't work, sudo do-release-upgrade
[23:26] <Daskreech> g0rs: I dont know that Gtk+2 was that good at it. It was a round about hack which they berated anyone from using much since they knew they didn't want to rely on it
[23:26] <Daskreech> ScottyK: sudo do-release-upgrade
[23:26] <Daskreech> !upgrade
[23:27] <Mausschubser> Daskreech:  when entering the command I get the follwing error message: /home/ubuntu/packages.list not found
[23:28] <ScottyK> Daskreech & ubottu - that's the command I was looking for, thanks!
[23:28] <g0rs> Daskreech: it seems like an established framework
[23:29] <Daskreech> Mausschubser: your user is ubuntu I take it?
[23:29] <Mausschubser> Daskreech:  no, it's mausschubser again
[23:29] <Mausschubser> I understand
[23:30] <Daskreech> Mausschubser: :-)
[23:30] <Mausschubser> now it worked
[23:30] <Daskreech> yofel: here is your thanks
[23:30] <Daskreech> Mausschubser: Grat
[23:31] <g0rs> Daskreech: i'm looking at transparent compiz themes
[23:31] <Daskreech> groß
[23:31] <Mausschubser> groß??
[23:31] <g0rs> Mausschubser: did you try glassified themes?
[23:31] <Mausschubser> nee
[23:31] <Daskreech> Huge step :)
[23:31] <Mausschubser> Daskreech:  what time is it?
[23:32] <Daskreech> Umm
[23:32] <Mausschubser> g0rs:  not that I am aware of ;-)
[23:32] <Mausschubser> Daskreech: do you speak German
[23:32] <Daskreech> Mausschubser: 20:32
[23:32] <Mausschubser> oh
[23:33] <Mausschubser> wrong time zone
[23:33] <Daskreech> Nein :)
[23:33] <anathema> hi guys I want to replace the 11.10 icon them with 11.04 icon theme. where I can find it?
[23:33] <Mausschubser> Daskreech:  hehe
[23:35] <anathema> anyone with 11.04 in order to tell me the name of default icon theme
[23:35] <Mausschubser> anathema:  wait a sec
[23:36] <yofel> anathema: the icon theme name hasn't change, it's the icon theme that has changed
[23:36] <g0rs> Mausschubser: can i pm you?
[23:36] <yofel> *hasn't changed
[23:36] <Mausschubser> g0rs:  I am a boy but yes - you can ;-)
[23:36] <anathema> Ok thanks is there any way to have the old one?
[23:37] <anathema> I don't like the folders icons :P
[23:37] <anathema> It's oxygen but how to find the old package
[23:37] <yofel> kde bug 272756 had a long thread on the icon theme
[23:37] <yofel> someone put the old one on kde-looks.org (I think)
[23:39] <anathema> I know that is a bug
[23:39] <anathema> @yofel:I searched but I cant find it
[23:39] <yofel> anathema: it was a bug in 4.6.3, but in 4.7 it's intentional
[23:39] <yofel> anathema: this should be it: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen+Old+%28before+4.6.2%29?content=142662
[23:40] <anathema> thanks yofel. It will be a conflict If i install them?
[23:40] <yofel> no idea, I never installed a theme from kde-look.org
[23:40] <yofel> hm....
[23:40] <anathema> ok i will try it
[23:40] <anathema> also I get an annoying message in info
[23:40] <anathema> about mail
[23:41] <yofel> anathema: wait
[23:41] <anathema> I have not setup kmail, but when I run it it tells that it shutdowns (fatal error)
[23:41] <anathema> ok!
[23:41] <yofel> anathema: go to system settings -> application appearance -> icons -> get new themes
[23:41] <yofel> if you search and install oxygen old there it should work without a conflict
[23:42] <anathema> thank you yofel I will try it now
[23:42] <anathema> :)
[23:43] <amichair_> can the desktop cd be used somehow to speed up an upgrade (reducing the amount of downloads needed)?
[23:43] <aperson> hi, I upgraded today, but my system hangs when plymouth tries to show a boot splash.  If I boot into recovery mode and then resume the boot (skipping plymouth) everything runs fine
[23:44] <aperson> amichair_: read the upgrade notes, they detail how to do this
[23:44] <anathema> yofel:ok it works ok but only in big icons. the small ones are gray. is there any way to fix that?
[23:44] <amichair_> !upgrade
[23:44] <Mausschubser> anathema:  sorry, can't find it
[23:45] <Mausschubser> Daskreech: does it make sense to install 10.04 and upgrade to 11.04?
[23:45] <aperson> is anyone else having a problem with plymouth and is there a way to get around this (possibly other than removing plymouth)?
[23:45] <yofel> anathema: hm, try to log out maybe, at least in the advance settings all icon sizes seem to be fine
[23:45] <anathema> ok i will logout and i will rejoin cause i have one another problem and i need your help
[23:45] <anathema> many many thanks guys:)
[23:46] <Daskreech> Mausschubser: depends on what the situation is but given most circumstances I would say just install 11.04 but you can do that no problem
[23:48] <Mausschubser> Daskreech: I see. Have you ever tried installing from usb-stick?
[23:48] <Daskreech> Yes
[23:48] <Mausschubser> does it run?
[23:49] <Mausschubser> I think you need a blank stick?
[23:49] <anathema> ok fixed about the icons. Another one prob: when i login i get an error notification:"Mail dispatcher agent"mail dispatcher agent counld not accss the outbox folder (failed to fetch the resoure collection) also kmail when starts shut down with fatal error
[23:49] <Mausschubser> uff
[23:51] <Mausschubser> Daskreech:  I will play it safe and burn a CD
[23:51] <Mausschubser> but thanks
[23:51] <Daskreech> Live Dangerous! Burn a house!
[23:51] <Daskreech> No on second thought burn a CD
[23:51] <amichair_> aperson: where in the release notes?
[23:51] <Daskreech> Much safer
[23:52] <Daskreech> Mausschubser: Umm I think you need a blank Stick. Mine is always blank so ... :-/
[23:53] <aperson> amichair_: where it details how to use the cd to upgrade.
[23:53] <amichair_> aperson: I don't see it...
[23:54] <anathema> where to search about this probem. i think its becaue I have upgraded from 11.04-.> 11.10
[23:54] <Mausschubser> Daskreech:  mine never...
[23:55] <amichair_> aperson: the upgrade notes link doesn't mention it anywhere
[23:55] <amichair_> nor the oneiric link from there
[23:55] <aperson> amichair_: yes it does
[23:55] <aperson> third heading.
[23:56] <yofel> anathema: there are some issues with kmail in 11.10 so far - maybe you'll find something useful on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail2
[23:56] <Daskreech> Mausschubser: the only thing that I could say to make it interesting is that it works jsut like a Live CD but anything that you do stays for the next time you boot
[23:56] <yofel> I'm off to bed
[23:56] <Daskreech> night yofel
[23:56] <aperson> if you insert/mount a cd with a new release, kubuntu should detect that anyways
[23:57] <Mausschubser> Daskreech: but faster?
[23:57] <anathema> thank you yofel :)
[23:57] <Daskreech> But faster
[23:58] <aperson> gah, I want to see if removing plymouth fixes things, but if it doesn't, I won't be able to ssh back in :(
[23:58] <amichair_> aperson: got a link?
[23:59] <aperson> !upgrade > amichair_