[00:00] gosh why is deja dup so nice [00:00] !torrents [00:00] Natty can be torrented from http://torrent.ubuntu.com/simple/natty/desktop/ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent or http://torrent.ubuntu.com/simple/natty/server/ubuntu-11.04-server-amd64.iso.torrent depending on your architecture. Other flavors can be found at http://torrent.ubuntu.com/ [00:00] Heh, that one needs to be updated :) [00:02] 11.10 is in there though [00:02] Though the links should be valid with name substitution, though I'm not sure if there are torrents fro later versions than beta2 [00:02] maybe I should stick to the cdimage site [00:02] We'll update the factoids once the release announcement has been made. [00:03] Yeah http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/beta-2/ is the only one available [00:03] Pici: I thought they werer supposed to point at point releases in this channel.. [00:04] whats out now? [00:04] RC? Beta 3? [00:04] arand: I don't think we have those setup [00:04] Roasted: the beta2 is the last point before release, I think [00:05] should be an RC... [00:06] On the upside Ubuntu 11.10 will be released on the 13th tomorrow [00:06] Pici: Well, there is a torrent for beta2 there at least.. [00:06] oh [00:06] it will? [00:06] I thought it was the end of the month [00:06] Yes... [00:06] No... [00:06] oh wow [00:06] Roasted, Yes [00:06] I failed. [00:06] Yes [00:06] lol [00:06] ;) [00:07] does 11.10 beta + that upgrade/update command truly bring you up to speed as if you had installed 11.10 final release? [00:07] Roasted, So if you can wait until 13th tomorrow you can just download the final release. [00:07] It's pretty quiet here for that time of the year, I must say... [00:07] sandra, oh yeah, if these broken packages I'm fixing aren't the solution I'll just wait for it. [00:07] I am not seeing wunderlist in the software center? [00:08] Roasted: it should be, in theory, although there may always be bumps. [00:09] !final | Roasted [00:09] Roasted: If you install a development version of Ubuntu Oneiric and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 11.10 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a terminal. [00:10] Ok, so during the GUI upgrade, X.org died. Caput. Dumped me to virt terms. Won't start. Now I have a half-upgraded system. Will running `aptitude upgrade` finish it up? [00:12] woooooooooooooo [00:12] <-- has audio [00:12] astro73, one can only hope. [00:12] pink floyd, london, 1994, pulse concert. comfortably numb. [00:12] astro73|mal: It will at least try to, to the best of it's ability. [00:13] Roasted, That's great :-) [00:13] MAGIC is coming through my speakers at the moment [00:13] Roasted, What did you do ? [00:13] arand: So there's nothing else I have to worry about? [00:13] sandra, fixed my broken packages with a sudo dpkg --configure -a. then ran sudo apt-get update and removed ~/.pulse/ and rebooted. [00:13] not sure if I needed to remove .pulse but I decided to be safe and axe it quick [00:14] Roasted, I like pulseaudio keeps my skype program running smoothly and in tandem w/other audio programs. [00:14] yeah. pulse audio was a bit of a disaster upon its start, but it sure is nice now [00:15] will the new ubuntu be able to run on an 8 core processor? [00:16] johnjohn101, you got a bulldozer? [00:16] just ordered this.... with mb and 8 gb memory. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=1308191&sku=A79-8150 [00:17] johnjohn101, it runs on my i-7 processor just fine . [00:17] wife wondring why i always have to be first [00:18] johnjohn101, yeah, that's the bulldozer [00:19] can't wait.... [00:21] ok... X started, but when I attempt to login (unity and unity 2d), it just dumps me back at the login screen. [00:22] And same with wmii [00:27] arand, sandra: any advice? [00:28] astro73|mal: I don't know I'm afraid. [00:31] ok, what log do i check? [00:33] I haven't had any updates for the past 2 to 3 days is that normal right now? I thought since the release date is fast approaching I would be getting more updates. [00:34] Restarting lightdm doesn't help === Brandon is now known as BrandonBolton [00:36] zmbmartin, quite the opposite is true [00:36] they slow things down to create a final release cd that works [00:36] Is it stable to upgrade to 11.10 yet» [00:37] bjsnider: ok so nothing to worry about. [00:37] i love the new version.. everything works and is smooth [00:37] Chotaz, sure is [00:37] is it possible to upgrade without losing stuff? [00:38] I read that wunderlist is in the software center I do not see it. Does anyone else? [00:38] Chotaz, sure is [00:39] bjsnider, want to guide me through it? [00:39] the bot can do that [00:39] !upgrade [00:39] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade [00:40] And rebooting doesn't help either. [00:40] bjsnider: do you use the regular upgrade feature or do you reformat and install / with a seperate /home? [00:41] i have a separate home, and i upgrade normally without formatting [00:41] so i have my cake and eat it too [00:41] and no problems? [00:42] I have a seperate /home also. I have been using Arch for 6 years so newer to ubuntu [00:42] I am use to the rolling release model [00:42] I have separate homes for each partition, but I link shared things such as Desktop from a common partition. [00:43] Different releases and distros keep incompatible data under ~, and sometimes you just need a clean install. [00:44] I have just read mixed reviews on upgrading without reformatting. [00:44] it can be a bit of a skill if you use a lot of ppas [00:44] i had to do a lot of manual purging of packages afterwards [00:44] which a n00b might not be able to do [00:48] n00b that would be me lol [00:50] bjsnider, on my update manager there is no Upgrade button [01:09] *headdesk* ~/.Xauthority had perms root:root 600 [01:11] bjsinder, could you please tell me when the latest nvidia 285.05.09 will be posted to x-swat please. Thanks [01:44] b [01:47] NoelJB, do you know when the nvidia 285.05.09 driver will be uploaded to x-update ? [01:51] i set GRUB_DEFAULT=saved in /etc/default/grub then update grub.cfg. it doesn't work? anyone know why? [01:52] sandra, whenever bjsnider gets it there. He thought it would be tonight. [01:52] iWang: did you run sudo update-grub afterwards? [01:53] iWang, I've never gotten save default to work properly with GRUB 2. As much as possibly, I've stuck with GRUB 1, since it actually works. [01:53] NoelJB, Thanks for the FYI :-) [01:57] NoelJB, that's funny, if grub2 is not working then you have a messed up setup. [01:57] jbicha: yeah,i run it! [02:00] Oh,i got it! there is another thing! GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT !!!! [02:01] !release party [02:02] !release-party > johnjohn101 [02:02] johnjohn101, please see my private message [02:02] urlin2u, that might be true. grub2 works in general for me, just not the save default. [02:03] iWang, how did you get GRUB_SAVEFAULT to work ? [02:04] Grub 2 has been another thorn in my side too lol [02:05] you have to run update-grub after a default change to have it work. [02:05] urlin2u, Thanks for the FYI :-) [02:05] urlin2u, I'll probably stick with GRUB1 for my dedicated boot partition, but have it boot grub2 for newer installs (since each one has their own grub in their partition) [02:06] it is easy to miss that paret. :D [02:06] part* [02:28] shucks [02:42] i have 2 monitors and i cant seem to get unity to work properly on 2nd screen [02:43] if i use twinview it works, but none of my games work, if i dont use twinview, unity wont use or detect my 2nd screen, its ON though. i can mouse over it, it just has no window manager or anything [02:43] hey when it releases? 13th? [02:44] the unit page is dead.. [02:58] sandra, the new driver is published [02:59] bjsnider, thanks :-) Is there also going to be a matching nvidia-settings? [02:59] if you're on amd64 anyway. i386 is backed up awhile [02:59] nvidia-settings uploading now [03:00] bjsnider, ah, OK. I see the driver, but I'll wait a bit for the pair. [03:00] bjsnider, Thank you for that important piece of FYI :-) [03:05] okay going to install bjsinder latest video driver upload :-) [03:05] I shall return [03:08] bjsnider: can you do me a favor? [03:09] does it involve a pound of flesh? [03:09] nope [03:09] du -hs /boot and tell me the total size? [03:09] new driver? what latest driver [03:09] nvidia? [03:09] I have no system with a normal boot process and i'm trying to plan the size but have no idea :P [03:09] whats new about it? where do i get it, im also having alot of nvidia issues [03:09] MTecknology, du -hs /boot/ [03:09] 30M /boot/ [03:09] i cant get my 2nd screen to work [03:09] 47M [03:10] thanks! [03:10] probably have a bunch of old kernels in there [03:10] so 100M will be more than enough and giving / the rest of the 4GB will be crazy plenty [03:10] bjsnider, yeah, I have three (3), you probably have more. [03:10] :D [03:10] I've got 3.0.0.11 and 12 -generic and 12-lowlatency [03:10] 12M /boot [03:11] don't know if a separate partition is really necessary [03:11] that's with two kernels [03:11] So any firm time when its out [03:11] SetiAmon: it's been decided, we're not privy to it, though [03:11] geez im running a huge update.. its taking forever [03:12] NoelJB, nvidia-settings build starting in 5 minutes [03:12] i thought those were closed source [03:12] they arent? [03:12] or is it just the driver itself? [03:13] can no one see what im typing? [03:13] right [03:13] nvidia-settings is on freedesktop.org [03:13] oh CRAP! [03:13] I just purged the wrong disk [03:13] i was having an issue with nvidia's config wizard saying: Failed to query NoScanout for screen 0 [03:14] well you shouldn't have done that [03:14] MTecknology, I regularly make image backups on my drives so that I can restore in just such an emergency. [03:16] NoelJB: this is a new system, but because of the insane setup (apparently insane) grub is having a hissy fit.. i'm trying to make every single thing including the boot process redundant [03:16] NoelJB: so.. i get to do a lot of the setup post- [03:16] install [03:17] it's only /boot that i lost though.. [03:17] i can recreate that by reinstalling grub and the kernel... then running grub-install [03:18] I' [03:18] MTecknology, you've made quite a big meal of this [03:18] bjsnider: meal? [03:19] just an expression [03:19] it's a huge, complicated thing [03:19] ooooh [03:19] yup... [03:19] ... huge ... [03:19] I'm having trouble installing the latest 11.10 build. Installing Grub failed the first time on every partition I tried. I created a /boot partition the 2nd time and installed successfully, but it won't boot [03:19] MTecknology, for the last several releases, I've used the alternate install in expert mode to install GRUB1, but it seems the Oneiric no longer offers that option. [03:19] MTecknology, what is insane about your setup? [03:20] NoelJB: i usually do something like that... cli base install, strip it down, compile my stripped down kernel, add things back, enjoy [03:20] what is stripped down in your kernel? [03:21] And why not do the stripped down kernel post a normal install? [03:21] the whole monolithic kernel is <2MB [03:21] i'm crazy like that.. that's not whay i'm doing now [03:22] NoelJB: i thought nothing crazy... i wanted to have /boot on its own software raid1 then everything else on lvm on raid6, install mbr to both boot devices, then be done with it [03:22] he probably strips out every driver except those on his own board [03:23] bjsnider: yup, ond then drivers for the stuff on my boardd that i don't care about.. like the webcam [03:23] NoelJB: when i try to install, the installer kinda freaks out after partitioning right before starting to install ... i can't remember teh exact error [03:24] point ended up being, that i can't install to a raid6 device [03:24] someone said something about a low latency kernel a bit ago? what is that [03:24] i dont see it in the package manager [03:24] NoelJB, nvidia-settings built, maybe not yet published [03:25] intangir: I think it is a not strongly maintained branch of the kernel [03:25] whats generic-pae? [03:25] i think it's called realtime, -rt [03:26] -pae is physical address extension, for 32-bit with at least 4gb of ram [03:26] what if its only 4gb of ram [03:26] it is automatically selected at install time if you choose i386 and have that much ram [03:26] i thought it was >3GB RAM [03:27] might be >3 [03:27] i have 4 gigs [03:27] but it didnt install pae [03:27] anyway, it's automatically selected [03:27] NoelJB: i guess knowing that / can't sit on RAID 6 and having everything else set up, I should be able to let the installer do its thing [03:27] are you sure? [03:27] you should be fine [03:27] oh it looks like thats for x86, i have 64bi [03:28] pae is ubuntu-auto-smart enabled :) [03:28] bjsnider, not published as of right now [03:29] Bah... Grub keeps on failing... [03:29] ok i still cant get my 2nd monitor to work [03:29] intangir, it is a maintained kernel typically used with Ubuntu Studio. Currently in a PPA. [03:29] and my nvidia-settings is still not letting my configure my xorg.conf [03:29] intangir, I do a lot with audio, and have had fewer problems using that kernel to -generic. [03:29] also after running updates, my font for terminal is goofy looking ;) [03:29] Is there a known problem with the 11.10 installer? [03:30] Concerning grub failing? [03:30] my audio is usually mute except at work [03:30] NoelJB: i play alot of games, maybe i should also get it [03:30] NoelJB: where do i get it [03:30] anyone got problem with gnome3 and his graphic driver? [03:30] intangir, in fact, I don't want to jinx it, but currently using the -lowlatency kernel I'm getting a whole day with Oneiric, whereas with -generic, the system generally spontenously stops within an hour or so. [03:30] yikes, ok i want it, how do i get it? [03:31] intangir, xorg.conf is deprecated. do you really need it? [03:31] maizuddin35: ya im having issues with graphics all day [03:31] hello everyone [03:31] all day ? what graphic carddo you use? [03:31] NoelJB: i dont know, but if i delete it how do i configure my graphics? [03:31] sileni : hello [03:31] nvidia [03:31] 9800 gtx [03:31] the -rt kernel is largely dead these days, it seems. [03:31] if i download the developer version of 11.10 would it be very close to the release kind right now ? [03:32] sileni: thats what im guessing [03:32] there's e developer version? [03:32] daily build [03:32] intangir, the system should detect and use the driver. I don't have one and nvidia is correctly used here. bjsnider would have more detail. [03:32] MTecknology: i mean daily build [03:32] that's no developer [03:32] intangir: thats weird before this, I use that card, and I had no problem . [03:32] ya- keep it up to date and you have release ver when it's released [03:32] im going to delete my xorg then and see what happens... [03:32] im guessing 1 screen [03:32] brb [03:33] so do nothing to get released version except updates [03:33] MTecknology: i see [03:33] MTecknology: any word on the approx time it is being released? [03:33] intangir, you're going to delete all of xorg? you won't get a screen at all [03:33] MTecknology: which part of the world oct 13? [03:33] did they say oct 13? [03:34] ye [03:34] yes, tomorrow is released day. I wish they'd have changed it to yesterday. [03:34] i deleted my conf [03:34] honestly... i don't pay attention :P [03:34] it loaded with just 1 monitor [03:34] tommorow is 4 hours here [03:34] 1 am PST [03:34] i just stay up to date [03:34] and it does not detect a 2nd screen [03:34] NoelJB: why change it to yesterday? [03:34] still cant use X server display configuration [03:34] sileni, because then it would have been released on 11/11/11 [03:34] its already today for me but for them its tomorrow. [03:35] NoelJB: ah true [03:35] oops, 10/11/11. nevermind [03:35] :-) [03:35] so im still screwed, same boat, except now 2nd monitor is OFF instead of blank white [03:35] sileni: time of day is never announced [03:35] LOL [03:35] bjsnider: can you please help me setup nvidia dual screens [03:35] intangir : do you use the driver from the nvidia site or wat? [03:35] NoelJB: ah true that .. [03:35] NoelJB: i'm bad with dates [03:35] im using the nvidia driver from the repos [03:35] intangir, after you get loaded, run nvidia-settings (not nvidia-xconfig) and have it detect the monitors. [03:35] it doesnt work [03:35] sileni: if you know it's x day, then it will be on x day at some time in the world [03:36] Unable to load X Server Display Configuration page: [03:36] Failed to query NoScanout for screen 0. [03:36] i've been happier since i use intel graphics and ubuntu [03:36] MTecknology: i kinda figured that .. [03:36] Has the grub installation on 11.10 failed for anyone else? [03:36] sileni: #ubuntu-release-party wouldn't be as annoying if they announced that.... [03:37] MTecknology: i hate that channel and the bot in it [03:37] why? [03:37] and the people [03:37] OK, all new nvidia code in x-updates. both driver and settings [03:37] how do i get it? [03:38] is this something that might help me? [03:38] i'm not sure what fs i want for /opt.... it's going to have a few >1TB files, but also many many little files.... [03:38] since im not able to get my nvidia stuff to work [03:40] intangir: maybe I can't help anything tehnically, but have you check out this..http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=909460&highlight=Nvidia+9800 [03:40] intangir, no clue if it would help, but google x-updates ppa, and follow instructions [03:41] MTecknology, either XFS or ext4. I don't believe that btrfs is RFPT. [03:42] NoelJB: i suppose i'll stick with the good old fashioned ext4 :) [03:42] check this out, this looks like it could be whats causing my issue: [03:42] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports-bugs/2011-February/206865.html [03:43] does the version on x-updates ppa include that check which leaves out my card? [03:43] think not..? [03:43] is this it? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates [03:44] Why is the Unity global menu insisting on infiltrating my gnome-shell? [03:44] magn3ts, because it knows that Gnome Shell sucks? [03:44] intangir, yes [03:44] NoelJB: lol [03:45] magn3ts, no clue. I just seriously dislike Gnome Shell. [03:45] objectively wrong [03:45] NoelJB: so... [/dev/sdf1|/dev/sdg1] -> {raid1} /boot && [/dev/sdf2|/dev/sdg2] -> {raid1} / && [/dev/sda1|/dev/sdb1|/dev/sdc1|/dev/sdd1|/dev/sde1] -> {raid6} -> lvm -> rest of system .. /home /var /opt /usr /devel [03:45] NoelJB: 100M, 4.9GB, 6TB (available) [03:46] about to kick it off... wish me luck :) [03:46] How can one strongly dislike gnome-shell and like unity? [03:46] bjsnider, LOL objectively it is subjectively right [03:46] magn3ts: how can one like either? [03:46] magn3ts, they aren't the same. For example, Unity supports integration using languages other than JS. [03:47] MTecknology, on Fedora, where the choice is a steaming pile of Gnome Shell or KDE, I've gone with KDE. [03:47] On Ubuntu, I'm still willing to see how Unity evolves. [03:47] i use openbox [03:48] NoelJB: and... it failed [03:48] MTecknology, why? [03:48] bjsnider: ok i installed that ppa, so do i now just update and install nvidia-settings and nvidia-current? or what [03:49] magn3ts: you can uninstall indicator-appmenu or just don't use a transparent gshell theme & you probably wouldn't even notice [03:49] NoelJB: WARNING **: Configuring 'bootstrap-bas' failed with error code 1 [03:49] bootstrap-base* [03:50] well, just because you have the latest graphics driver doesn't mean all of your problems will be solved [03:50] MTecknology, here I have sda1 for a dedicated boot partition, sda5-9 for entire OS installs, sda10 for a swap partition, and sda11 is a large shared volume mounted as /mnt/SHARED. I have /home for each release partition, but shareable things within /home are then symlnked to the shared FS. [03:50] but i would use jockey to install the driver [03:50] bjsnider:agreed [03:50] intangir: did you already install the "Ubuntu-X"? [03:50] bjsnider, as far as I know, there are only a few documented bug fixes between the prior driver and now. [03:51] maizuddin35: ya [03:51] NoelJB: i think this is just i a bug in bootstrap-base... i know grub can handle this setup [03:51] im going to reboot and see how it goes brb [03:51] intangir:gudluck [03:54] NoelJB: now i'm trying to install with / on it's own partition.. removed the raid for just that [03:54] damn it it still doesnt show the display config in nvidia-settings [03:54] for some reason theres a line in there that arbitrarily excludes older cards that can use it fine [03:55] NoelJB: and... no worky [03:56] maybe it doesn't like that i'm trying to install things to an external disk?... but linux shouldn't care about that [03:56] so maybe i should build my own nvidia-settings [03:57] how do i tell if im actually using your newest build? [03:58] 173.14.30 [03:58] thats old isnt it? [03:58] MTecknology, FWIW, apparently RedHat thinks that btrfs is good enough to be the default for FC16. [03:58] they're wrong [03:58] indeed they are [03:59] bjsnider, I agree, as you might see in the scroll. XFS or ext4 would be my choices. [03:59] where in the world did you read that absurd bunch of nonsense? [03:59] NoelJB: scary [03:59] bjsnider, some web story on the topic. [04:00] k... so having / and /boot on their own partitions w/o raid still isn't good enough [04:00] looks like it was proposed, but backed out as not being ready. [04:00] i guess redhat doesn't care about fedora users [04:00] is it the default in rhel? [04:00] is it the default in rhas? [04:01] bjsnider, fedora users are guinea pigs for RHEL [04:01] apparently so [04:01] jbicha, wait, it's because of the transparency. [04:02] jbicha, that screams hack. [04:02] that will do a good job creating a bunch of bad blood [04:02] jbicha, but thanks, removing the indicator hadn't occured to me. [04:05] why oh why does this installer hate me so? [04:05] bjsnider, why would he still be using 173? That's ancient. Really old HW? [04:06] I think it's getting mad about me trying to install things to the external disk.. why it would care, i do not know [04:06] NoelJB, anything before the geforce 6k, also including a 9k variant [04:07] it would upgrade nvidia-settings though [04:07] not that a very minor upgrade in nvidia-settings would make any difference [04:08] are there any wallpaper changers that work in oneiric? or any way to change the wallpaper from the command line? [04:11] bjsnider, OK, so dkms just removed all of the nvidia modules for all the kernels, but only built it for the current one. when I boot to another kernel, so far I've experienced the need to manually tell dkms to autoinstall. any idea why? [04:12] i give up for tonight [04:12] magn3ts: which is a hack? the transparency or the nautilus global menu or that nautilus is drawing the desktop? [04:12] no, that the indicator-appmenu is being drawn ... on... no panel. [04:12] ^ disable any 1 of those 3 and you're good [04:13] why is it being drawn when the panel isn't there? [04:13] but frankly, nautilus shouldn't be drawing the desktop in the year 2011 but that's neither here nor there. [04:13] god this nvidia shit is a huge pain... [04:13] magn3ts: you can turn off nautilus drawing the desktop, GNOME doesn't do it by default any more [04:13] i guess i have to build a custom nvidia-settings that doesnt exclude my old card... [04:14] not sure when, but at somepoint they added some stupid code that screwed old cards out... [04:14] i dont know how other people arent falling victim to this, its unconfigurable [04:14] jbicha, right, but I still don't understand why the indicator is being run period in gnome-shell. [04:14] so you cant use multiple monitors [04:15] jbicha, I mean, it's smart enough not to suppress the menus appearing in the application window, ala gnome-shell style, but it's not intelligent enough to not render itself in the middle of seemingly nowhere without the unity-panel there? [04:15] magn3ts: it's always being ran... [04:15] seems beyond silly. [04:15] it's not in the middle of nowhere, it's part of Nautilus [04:15] yes, but that indicator is normally drawn into gnome-panel or unity-panel [04:16] magn3ts: as a very bad idea, try running Ctrl+T to open a new tab on your desktop :( [04:16] seeing as neither of those are running, why is magically appearing there. [04:16] challenge accepted [04:22] OOOOH!!!! [04:23] KimberlyCarmichael: i saw the pic it's freaking out about! I'll need to figure out what can and can't be on raid6 for the system to boot [04:24] it's the raid6 it's freaking out about! I'll need to figure out what can and can't be on raid6 for the system to boot ** [04:28] ok well im back to having the 2nd screen on, but totally white [04:28] its like it starts up, then turns white, i saw the background and menu on it briefly [04:28] i got nvidia-settings working, but all it does it set the xorg.conf [04:28] which is what i had an hours and a half ago ;) [04:29] intangir:nicely done [04:29] i think you misunderstood, it still doesnt work right ;) [04:29] 2nd monitor is on, but worthless [04:30] oh wait actually i just went over to it and used a hotkey to open terminal, it appeared [04:30]