[04:55] <xannen> omg 11.10 won't release for another day!  :(
[05:30] <sagaci> yeah
[05:30] <sagaci> Canonical should move to an in-the-future timezone
[05:45] <xannen> hi sagaci <3
[07:26] <airtonix> <3 is pretty awesome
[07:26] <airtonix> gnome-shell that is 
[07:50] <gggs> I don't know, this might sound like blasphemy, but I think I'll either stick with 11.04 or move to Xubuntu
[07:51] <blahdeblah> gggs: My blasphemy is that i'll move back to Debian and sit on GNOME 2 for as long as they support it ;-)
[07:52] <gggs> blahdeblah: Nice to know I'm not alone, I'm a focus-follows-mouse, window shading, oldschool-X kindof person myself
[07:53] <blahdeblah> I never said that! :-)
[07:53] <airtonix> i'm a "wish i could customise my desktop-environ without compiling C code" kinda guy
[07:54] <gggs> blahdeblah: I meant `staying with gnome2 or similar'
[07:54] <blahdeblah> gggs: I hate focus-follows-mouse, and i never use window shading.  I use a GNOME 2 that's vanilla other than replacing their window manager with icewm.  I just love the full control over keyboard shortcuts it provides.
[07:58] <gggs> blahdeblah: I even use focus-follows-mouse (aka `sloppy focus') on Windows! Multiple desktops + winshading means the whole alt+tab behaviour is a non-issue. I'm curious though, what sortof keyboard shortcuts are you talking about?
[08:00] <blahdeblah> I use 12 virtual workspaces.  I keep fixed applications in each by convention.  I switch between them frequently.  Icewm provides hotkeys for forward, back, most recent, and arbitrary numbered workspaces.
[08:00] <blahdeblah> So i map win+# keys to all of them
[08:02] <gggs> blahdeblah: I've setup Compiz in a similar fashion with super+left/right and super+LMB/RMB
[08:06] <gggs> 12 workspaces is a fair bit though
[08:11] <blahdeblah> right now, 2 of them are empty
[08:11] <blahdeblah> But i try to keep my work separated out 
[08:22] <gggs> 10 windows is a lot of seperation
[08:23] <gggs> although I do have a dual-monitor setup, so it's probably about the same
[08:25] <sagaci> head_victim: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric -- just reached the goal in time
[08:27] <gggs> sagaci: damn, you've been busy
[08:27] <sagaci> <21% to go for the precise cycle
[08:30] <gggs> What does "79,942 untranslated" mean?
[08:32] <gggs> is that words, files, lines...?
[08:33] <sagaci> strings
[08:34] <gggs> sagaci: so... you've translated 380,986 strings already?
[08:35] <sagaci> the no, we've collectively translated around 300,000
[08:35] <gggs> wow, good work
[08:36] <sagaci> still that ~79,000 to go and then we'll scape out the errors people have made :)
[08:36] <sagaci> scrape
[08:41] <gggs> Hey being part of the Australian Ubuntu team, can you modify the en_AU locale and submit changes?
[08:43] <xannen> ZZZZZZZZZ 20 hours till 11.10 :(
[08:44] <sagaci> gggs: you need to join the team and be approved, which is easily done
[08:45] <sagaci> xannen: it'll likely be release when we're asleep around 4am in the morning
[08:45] <gggs> gnome-clock showed Sunday as the first day of the week, modifying one line in en_AU fixed it, but some dude I forget the name of said I'd need some sortof official standard or document to change it
[08:45] <head_victim> gggs: depends on what you mean by locale though.
[08:46] <head_victim> timezones are a whole other kettle of fish
[08:46] <xannen> I'm an ubuntu-au asylum seeker, process me, not in malaysia. :D
[08:46] <sagaci> honestly, I'd like the date to display as 13th October, 2011
[08:46] <sagaci> rather than the US October 13, 2011
[08:47] <xannen> I have us-en locale too.  i'm over it.  :(
[08:47] <head_victim> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/langpack-locales/+bug/192507
[08:47] <head_victim> That's an old one but the same issue
[08:47] <head_victim> Basically we can't collectively decide
[08:49] <head_victim> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/langpack-locales is where to report any bugs you think need fixing though
[08:49] <xannen> hehe...  shuttleworth boarded US spaceship didn't he?  :P
[08:50] <gggs> yea that's the issue I ran into, but I've never met anyone that thought Sunday was the first day of the week
[08:50] <xannen> Hi head_victim, btw <3
[08:50] <head_victim> http://cpan.uwinnipeg.ca/htdocs/DateTime-Locale/DateTime/Locale/en_AU.html looks like the most comprehensive list of info on the topic
[08:51] <head_victim> Gday xannen 
[08:52] <head_victim> sagaci: doesn't it display the right date format when using en_AU?
[08:52] <head_victim> Hmm, so it doesn't. That definitely is a bug.
[08:53] <gggs> head_victim: would that doc be enough to convince the committers upstream?
[08:53] <head_victim> gggs: not sure, worth a try?
[08:54] <sagaci> yeah, I tried tweak it but didn't have time at the time to file/struggle with it
[08:56] <gggs> head_victim: maybe, what do we have to do?
[08:59] <head_victim> gggs: I'd submit a bug against that package
[09:08] <gggs> head_victim: but it was marked wontfix
[09:09] <head_victim> gggs: yeah that was 3 years ago as well though
[09:09] <cretsiah> hi any1 know how to fix right click in firefox on ubuntu?
[09:09] <head_victim> If you can point to a credible source that states it is "X" and the locale is set to "Y" I'm sure you'll get it sorted. Just need a good reason
[09:09] <head_victim> cretsiah: depends on what you've done to make it not work?
[09:10] <gggs> it's surprising that an entire continent of Ubuntu users either haven't noticed or haven't attempted to fix it
[09:11] <cretsiah> lol gggs, unfortunetly I dont what has happened, as my kid was using it at the time, he is claiming he was only watching youtube
[09:13] <gggs> cretsiah: hah, I was talking about something else
[09:13] <gggs> cretsiah: what sortof mouse is it
[09:18] <cretsiah> logitech scroll-wheel mouse
[09:19] <cretsiah> it was fine 3 days ago...
[09:19] <cretsiah> he also managed to remove all the desktop icons 
[09:21] <gggs> cretsiah: heh, you need to setup another user account next time, Linux is designed for multi-users
[09:21] <gggs> when did you reboot it last?
[09:22] <cretsiah> he has his own account, however kids being kids my account was in use at the time, and no rebooting didnt help..
[09:22] <airtonix> cretsiah: i assume you tried restarting nautilus with : nautilus -q
[09:23] <airtonix> cretsiah: and which version of ubuntu ? 
[09:28] <cretsiah> ubuntu 11.04 running xfce, 
[09:29] <cretsiah> no i havent tried restarting nautilus
[11:05] <sagaci> wow great, it's already synced on aarnet
[11:17] <xannen> what's sync on aarnet?
[11:17] <sagaci> 11.10 isos are on aarnet
[11:18] <sagaci> for unmetered for bigpond
[11:19] <xannen> oh wow already?
[11:19] <gggs> sagaci: hey, you're right: 62fb5d750c30a27a26d01c5f3d8df459 *ubuntu-11.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[11:20] <xannen> according to: http://http://thisisthecountdown.com/ it's release in 6 hours ish
[11:21] <gggs> hmm, "ubuntu-11.10-desktop-amd64.iso - 12-Oct-2011 15:14  697M" <- yesterday?
[11:21] <sagaci> yeah, it's the real deal
[11:22] <sagaci> it wouldn't be labelled ubuntu-11.10-desktop.amd64.iso otherwise :)
[11:22] <xannen> hmm... but on the ubuntu.com it's now on there yet?
[11:22] <sagaci> takes time for all mirrors to sync, they don't start pushing the isos out on release day
[11:22] <xannen> so... what does that mean?
[11:22] <sagaci> xannen, they're waiting for the international mirrors to pick it up
[11:23] <xannen> can you post me link for aarnet?  :D
[11:23] <gggs> http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/ubuntu/releases/11.10/
[11:24] <head_victim> sagaci: that's good news, means I'm syncing it now
[11:24] <xannen> ty gggs.  what's diff between alternate vs desktop?
[11:25] <sagaci> desktop is a desktop install whereas alternate is a text based install
[11:25] <xannen> ah ty sagaci.   i'm such a noob <3
[11:25] <sagaci> or alternate can be used as an upgrade mediumm
[11:25] <sagaci> desktop cannot
[11:29] <xannen> is the iso supposed to be for dvd right?
[11:31] <xannen> also, what's the zsync?  o.O
[11:33] <sagaci> you can keep updating the file without needing to redownload the whole thing
[11:33] <sagaci> with a final iso, it shouldn't be necessary, if you're on a linux system just wget the iso
[11:34] <xannen> ty sagaci.  back to the iso, 'cause the size is close to 700MB, so it has to be on a dvd eh?
[11:35] <sagaci> no, CD
[11:35] <sagaci> they've made it so it's CD size so it's compatible with older/more computers
[11:35] <xannen> okay...  i heard they were goin to release a dvd iso?  is that later?
[11:35] <sagaci> but I prefer to install via USB anyway
[11:35] <sagaci> yeah, a bit later
[11:36] <xannen> you mention to get the iso via wget/web, is it just as faster compared torrent?  just curious, 'cause i thought torrent might be faster?
[11:37] <xannen> i'm dl-ing at about 230kbps now.
[11:37] <sagaci> yeah, torrent may be quicker
[11:38] <sagaci> but aarnet for me is unmetered so I don't mind how quick it comes down, I'm probably not installing it tonight
[11:44] <xannen> it's interesting to see desktop iso was out on 12 oct, 3pm ish.
[11:44] <xannen> i could have got it yesterday. :(
[11:47] <gggs> you download the torrent and you're using bandwidth, you download the iso and you're using unmetered bandwidth (if you're with Bigpond)
[11:47] <gggs> s/bandwidth/`download quota'/g
[11:48] <sagaci> yeah, that's why I generally don't do torrents
[11:50] <sagaci> going to go see how well it fares on the old P4
[11:53] <head_victim> No promises that's the official release
[11:53] <gggs> head_victim: would there be any sha1 hashes/gpg sigs from Ubuntu yet?
[11:53] <head_victim> gggs: nope, not until official release
[11:53] <head_victim> Who says they won't respin it
[11:53] <gggs> head_victim: true; xannen: I'd probably check it when hashes are released just in case
[11:54] <head_victim> sagaci: Lubuntu will be fine, I would hate to think how gnome or kde would go
[11:54] <head_victim> XFCE is just as heavy as gnome in my recent experience.
[11:57] <sagaci> head_victim: due to that critical release bug, eh :)
[11:57] <sagaci> ubuntu booted without flicker on the P4, that's an improvement, going to install now
[12:04] <sagaci> xannen: fyi, iinet host their own repo, don't know if it'd be unmetered but it's not updated yet to the final anyhow
[12:08] <xannen> sagaci, yeah, i know they have their own ftp for linux.  :D  and it's not updated, i checked there.
[12:11] <sagaci> install went fine :)
[12:17] <sagaci> seeya on oneiric :
[12:17] <sagaci> :)
[12:20] <sagaci> head_victim, well xchat translations didn't make it
[12:34] <sagaci> but on the flipside, the chromium browser is en_AU friendly :)
[12:41] <airtonix> ye gawds. chrome title bar is five foot high
[12:42] <airtonix> http://i.imgur.com/ODkYY.png
[12:46] <sagaci> airtonix, not getting that on chromium
[12:46] <airtonix> sagaci: it was a freak instance
[12:46] <airtonix> a restart of chromium fixed it
[14:39] <ikt> happy 11.10 everybody :)
[15:52] <ikt> heya ejat :)
[22:47] <kaushal> Hi
[22:47] <kaushal> I need help on pastebinit
[22:47] <kaushal> cat glassfish0 | pastebinit -b http://sprunge.us -t [glassfish0] -> this does not set title
[22:47] <kaushal> Any clue ?
[23:08] <gorilla> kaushal: I belive that the problem could be the square brackets [ & ]. Apart from that you could try experimentign with what does work and what doesn't and report a possible bug.
[23:08]  * gorilla hasn't used pastbinint but has taken a stab at it.