[04:42] <thorn> sets keyboard to "lurk" and says goodnight...
[05:11] <greg-g> huh, I'm reporting a bug with the title "Software Center SEGFAULTS when attempting to start" the night before release :(
[11:23] <iceroot> i want to create a debdiff for a package from 11.04 but i am using 11.10. is there an easy (and not space-intensiv) way to build up a 11.04 environment to build the source-package correctly?
[11:24] <iceroot> as it seems https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/Debdiff is down  :(
[11:57] <iceroot> how to get "kwallet-cli" as source-package for 11.04 when using 11.10? apt-get source will give me 11.10 version
[11:59] <iceroot> pull-lp-source kwalletcli natty
[12:00] <damg> should I branch off lp:ubuntu/${PROJECTNAME} or off lp:${PROJECT_NAME} on launchpad?
[12:22] <iceroot> maybe someone can have a look at my first debdiff for a security issue? feedback is very welcome  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kwalletcli/+bug/802274
[12:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 802274 in kwalletcli (Ubuntu) "Security issue in kwalletcli_getpin(1): tty I/O now properly disables echoing input when asking for a passphrase is not fixed (affects: 1) (heat: 260)" [Low,Confirmed]
[12:26] <iceroot> also is it possible for me to upload packages to some testing repos instead of posting patch/diff on launchpad? or is this only for people from canocial? ( i am not talking about the real repos, just dev-repos)
[12:34] <hggdh> iceroot: ideally, you should have a local build environment -- look at pbuilder
[12:34] <iceroot> hggdh: so a complete chroot from 11.04
[12:34] <iceroot> or better a pbuilder-environment for 11.04, 10.10 and so onm
[12:35] <hggdh> iceroot: correct, only way to have a non-contamined environment
[12:35] <hggdh> and you can upload to a PPA for tests
[12:35] <iceroot> hggdh: are there pbuilder-images ready? or do i have to build it all myself?
[12:36] <hggdh> iceroot: unfortunately, you have to build them locally
[12:36] <iceroot> i guess pbuilder is downloading the dependecies with apt-get so i only need a very small environment to use it
[12:37] <hggdh> yes, it will.
[12:37] <iceroot> ok, then i will try it later
[12:37] <iceroot> but for just creating a debdiff, i dont need pbuilder. just build the dsc and use debdiff
[12:37] <iceroot> ?
[12:37] <hggdh> damg: lp:ubuntu/project is the Ubuntu localisation for the project; lp:project is the "upstream" project
[12:38] <hggdh> pbuilder is for _building_ the package; for a debdiff you only need the source packages
[12:38] <hggdh> iceroot: ^
[12:39] <damg> hggdh, thanks for the hint
[12:48] <iceroot> hggdh: thanks for the info
[13:30] <hggdh> alea jactas est, Oneiric is released
[13:31] <hggdh> s/jactas/jacta/
[13:40] <pedro_> \o/
[13:40] <pedro_> Thanks all for their contributions :-)
[13:40]  * pedro_ hugs the bugsquad
[13:47]  * hggdh hugs pedro_, so that he will not be feeling forgotten
[14:06] <roadmr> congrats all :)
[14:48] <bdmurray> mvo: Hi, about that apturl fix.  I end up getting a message saying that the package is virtual.
[14:55] <mvo> bdmurray: hm, what example are you using? I tested this with apt:libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental:i386 and it works for me
[14:55] <bdmurray> mvo: I tried skype as mentioned in the bug
[14:58] <bdmurray> mvo: I don't have partner in my sources.list though so that might be the issue
[14:58] <mvo> bdmurray: yeah, that is the issue, does apt:sykype:i386?channel=oneiric-partner
[14:59] <mvo> work
[15:01] <bdmurray> mvo: yes, that's great.  I was trying to fix this bug yesterday and missed that.  Could you sponsor my debdiff in bug 207065?
[15:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 207065 in compizconfig-backend-gconf (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "Bad Compiz Bindings Bug (affects: 23) (dups: 2) (heat: 130)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207065
[15:03] <mvo> bdmurray: sure, hold on a minute
[16:32] <thorn> how do I share a screen shot of my computer so I can demonstrate a bug?
[16:36] <hggdh> thorn: you can use a graphical pastebin, or attach it to the bug
[17:03] <wagafo> Bug 873391 has an informative title :-! Is it OK if I change the title to "Failed to fetch packages" and tell the OP that he should try later because probably the server he tried didn't have yet the new packages?
[17:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 873391 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Code: Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/geoip/libgeoip1_1.4.8+dfsg-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb Unable to connect to gb.archive.ubuntu.com:http: Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/bind9/bind9-host_9.7.3.dfsg-1ubuntu4_amd64.deb Unable to connect to gb.archive.ubuntu.com:http: Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/bind9/dn
[17:05] <mvo> wagafo: sounds like the server is overloaded
[17:06] <wagafo> mvo: yes, that's more likely, I will tell also that possibility to the reporter
[17:08] <bdmurray> mvo: and a 503 might indicate the same thing yes?
[17:23] <SwitchDK> Could anybody tell me if the BugSquad mentorship team is still active? I just noticed that the "Proposed member" list contains application from April this year
[17:29] <bfwg> anybody seeing issues with the package 'ubuntu-minimal' when trying to upgrade?
[17:45] <ikt> SwitchDK: no it's not
[17:45] <ikt> afaik it's died
[17:49] <SwitchDK> ikt: that is sad news :(
[17:49] <SwitchDK> ikt: but thank you for letting me know
[17:50] <ikt> :D
[17:50] <bdmurray> That doesn't mean mentorship isn't available
[17:50] <bdmurray> Just that the whole team thing wasn't working out so well
[17:50] <ikt> are you interested in bug triage or just wondering?
[17:51] <SwitchDK> Ah ok, I would like to do triaging and just joined the BugSquad a month ago but I don't feel comfortable with triaging yet and was wondering how I could get to know the robes better
[17:51] <bdmurray> this channel is an excellent forum
[17:51] <ikt> forum of silence?
[17:52] <ikt> actually
[17:52] <SwitchDK> for a newbie it can be rather daunting to keep asking questions in the forum
[17:52] <ikt> why doesn't the bugsquad have a forum on the ubuntuforums?
[17:52] <SwitchDK> but if that is acceptable I will do that
[17:53] <greg-g> SwitchDK: a few of us in here usually try to respond to people's questions when they have them. Just ask and we'll respond when we see it
[17:54] <yofel> ikt: you want to split the information onto yet another medium?
[17:54] <SwitchDK> ok, thank you greg-g, ikt and bdmurray
[17:54] <ikt> yofel: that's classic
[17:54] <ikt> they said the exact same thing when I said we should make a forum for our loco team
[17:54] <yofel> heh
[17:55] <greg-g> ikt: which team are you from?
[17:55] <ikt> ubuntu australia
[17:55] <greg-g> awesome
[17:56] <ikt> yeah! our loco had the same problem as the bugsquad had
[17:56] <ikt> or has*
[17:58] <yofel> I just mean: what are you going to put on the forums and what on the ML once you have the forum?
[17:58] <yofel> you won't get everyone to use both
[17:59] <ikt> one sec, just grabbing the log, I swear this is deja-vu
[17:59] <yofel> I'm sure it is ^^
[18:01] <bil21al> hey congrats every body to oneiric release
[18:02] <SwitchDK> bil21al: indeed, I echo that, still downloading it though, the servers must be rather busy at the moment
[18:02] <yofel> use torrents, the main servers are totally overloaded today
[18:03] <bdmurray> additionally you might not want to choose to install 3rd party software
[18:03] <bil21al> yes torrent servers are quite faster.
[18:03] <SwitchDK> yofol: absolutely I agree, I guess it is an exciting "bad" thing the servers are overloaded. It means lots of interest
[18:04] <ikt> yofel: http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-au.log.20110208_0401.html <- search for "forum" should take you straight to the action
[18:04] <greg-g> bdmurray: are you referring to a specific issue with the 3rd party software comment?
[18:05] <bdmurray> greg-g: yes, archive.canonical.com is rather busy and install flash may not work
[18:06] <greg-g> ahhhhhh
[18:06] <greg-g> that installer option, gotcha
[18:07] <bil21al> bdmurray: you are the main person  here ,so congrats.and tomorrow i will give this new version to my cousins and relatives.oneiric rocks in pakistan also
[18:07] <hggdh> ikt: I see no reason why a forum would not work. But our base is IRC. I, for example, seldom go to the fora (no time)
[18:08] <yofel> ikt: well, I can agree that you'll see people on the forum that you won't see somewhere else. But IMO bugsquad members should learn to use IRC, as that's what we usually use
[18:08] <greg-g> I wonder if it might help the forum community when dealing with bugs (just thinking out loud here) because many times issues are discussed on a forum but there isn't always a bug reported/linked to.
[18:09] <greg-g> Have a place that is where people knowledgeable/want to help with bugs look might enable the forum to better react to bug reports happening on the forum
[18:09]  * greg-g shrugs
[18:09] <hggdh> greg-g: I think it would. This goes, partially, for the casual user -- good enought o use the forum, but daunted by LP
[18:09] <ikt> yeah exactly
[18:10] <yofel> you usually have some bug people in the +1 forum, but rarely somewhere else
[18:10] <greg-g> but, I'll be honest, I'll never read it :/
[18:10] <bdmurray> nor will I
[18:11] <yofel> +1
[18:11] <ikt> that's the problem :P
[18:11] <greg-g> yeah :/
[18:11] <ikt> but it doesn't need you guys to specifically read and take part in the forum
[18:11] <greg-g> my bug triage time is limited as it is
[18:11] <ikt> very similar to the hug a bug day
[18:12] <hggdh> no, it does not. But whoever is there responding for bugsquad/bugcontrol better know what they are talking about
[18:12] <greg-g> :)
[18:13] <hggdh> this is actually a discussion that has been going on and off for a while now -- LKP does not scale for the casual user
[18:13] <hggdh> so we need other venues
[18:13] <ikt> it's not about taking in bug requests and bugs on the forum
[18:14] <hggdh> dammit s/LKP/LP/
[18:14] <ikt> it's about communicating with people
[18:14] <ikt> anyways I gotta sleep, ttyl :)
[18:15] <hggdh> exactly. Communicating with people. And how, for example, does the fora scale for millions of users?
[18:15] <hggdh> (I know LP does not)
[18:17] <yofel> we have millions of users in the bugsquad? ^^
[18:17] <yofel> and no, please don't suggest aksubuntu for bugsquad communication...
[18:17] <yofel> *askubuntu
[18:18] <hggdh> no, we do not :-) But we have millions of users. Users have bugs/issues/problems/questions
[18:18] <hggdh> and, somehow, we should cater to them. I think ikt is absolutely right (if he meant this)
[18:22] <hggdh> er. Or she.
[19:06] <bdmurray> how can these launchpad users not put an irc nick on their launchpad page!
[19:09] <bdmurray> hrm
[19:35] <hjd> hi. Do we have a master bug for bug 873552 / bug 873420 already? (I suspect this might get a couple of duplicates)
[19:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 873552 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "check-new-release-gtk "remind me later" button not working (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873552
[19:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 873420 in update-manager (Ubuntu) ""Remind me later" doesn't do anything (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873420
[20:13] <hjd> I ended up marking one as a duplicate of the other, but I assume there will be more in the future ^
[20:57] <bil21al> bdmurray: r you a bot?
[20:59] <bdmurray> no but I have some
[21:00] <bil21al> hmmm gud you  work very fast so i asked.
[21:48] <kwisatzh4der4ch> Hi all. I was just wandering how ubuntu use Debian critical bugs report. Is there a chance that a debian packages with known critical bugs goes to an ubuntu releases with just a package rebuild ?
[21:56] <dtchen> kwisatzh4der4ch: currently, there is no formal process for reviewing http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ in Ubuntu. There is a 100% probability that RC bugs will ship in Ubuntu releases.
[21:57] <dtchen> kwisatzh4der4ch: for instance, I've spent the past several days triaging RC bugs in sid, and those bugs aren't closed in oneiric simply because the Ubuntu archive was in hard freeze.
[21:58] <dtchen> kwisatzh4der4ch: it would be great to have had them fixed before oneiric shipped, but as always, it's a matter of resources.
[21:58] <kwisatzh4der4ch> ok thanks. The positive aspect is that it will make more manpower on theses bugs, than if they stay only in Debian ;-).
[21:59] <dtchen> kwisatzh4der4ch: certainly there is strong encouragement to get such bugs fixed in sid then synced into the current Ubuntu development branch.
[22:00] <dtchen> (that's pretty much what I did this entire cycle)