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akgranerjcastro - I create a news and leadership team blueprint - made jono approver - can you look over them to just make sure their in the right format? - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-leadership-team and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-news-team-goals00:12
jonohey akgraner00:13
akgranerjcastro just realized I can add them to you "todo" card muahahaha :-)00:13
akgranerhey jono!00:13
jonohows things?00:13
akgranergood :-)  you're up late aren't you?00:14
jonoakgraner, yeah, just wrapping some things up00:14
akgranerI liked your death metal memories  - I think I teared up a bit...:-P00:14
jonoakgraner, hehe :-)00:15
akgranerlooks like you're getting a lot of feedback on the survey! \o/ yay for that...I haven't submitted anything yet, I can't think of anything I need to add to the conversation00:15
jonoakgraner, yeah, there has been a lot of content coming in, lots of emails too00:18
akgranergreat! :-)00:18
jonoand I spent a lot of time this week on calls with folks to get data too00:18
jonoit has been my mini-obsession over the last week00:18
akgranerjono - thanks for the comment on my blog...I wasn't trying to bag on you..hope you know that.00:19
jonoakgraner, np00:19
akgraner:-)00:19
akgranerI personally can't wait to see what you've uncovered - thanks for working on the survey and all the time you are putting into it00:20
jonowell, I just want to ensure I can get the best possible sense of community perspective00:20
jonoI don't want to make any assumptions00:21
jonomy goal is to report the findings with some proposed solutions00:22
jonoI already have some things I am keen to do to help fix things00:23
jonoone such thing will be IRC meetings for my team00:23
akgraner:-) I'm glad - I think that the results may surprise many people...I think that Familiarity  Breeds Contempt - sorta like when developers work on stuff and know all the areas that are broken sometimes you can't see past the broken-ness and you don't see how awesome the whole of the distro is...00:23
jonoto provide a better sense of what the team is doing00:23
jonoyeah the survey has been insightful so far00:23
akgranerI know for me, personally, I think I got caught up in seeing the community with tunnel vision...so I was missing the whole of the awesomeness, as look back in hindsight00:24
akgraneras I look back...00:24
akgranerthat's not to say there aren't areas that can be improved upon -  just sometimes it's good to take a set back and take in the whole view of the Grand Canyon and not just the edge of the cliff :-)00:25
akgraners/can/can't00:26
akgraners/set/step00:26
akgranerjeez I can't type tonight - sorry about that00:26
jonoyeah, I think there is so much goodwill00:26
jonobut there is plenty I can improve on, my team, and Canonical00:27
jonoit's healthy to be reflective00:27
jonoso this has been an interesting week ;-)00:27
akgranertotally :-)  and Thank you !00:27
jonothanks, akgraner, I hope it helps00:28
akgranerme too :-)  if there is anything you need from me , the news team, or leadership team let me/us know00:29
jonothanks akgraner00:31
jonoI just sent a reminder to all those who have not yet responded00:31
jono(the survey)00:31
akgraner:-) is that a hint...00:32
jonolol00:33
jonodon't worry if you are busy, akgraner00:33
nigelbmaco: hahaha03:18
nigelbjcastro: nice post!03:18
doctormoJono's post is easily is it not? I see no 11.10 release03:21
nigelbdoctormo: CONGRATS!03:21
doctormonigelb: Thanks :-D03:22
jcastrodoctormo: congrats!03:42
jcastroget off irc!03:42
jcastroakgraner: sly move there, well done!03:42
nigelblol03:42
akgranerjcastro, :-) thanks!03:44
doctormojcastro: I'm home resting up, actually about to go to bed.03:45
akgranerdoctormo, CONGRATULATIONS!!!  \o/03:51
greg-gdoctormo: CONGRATS indeed! :)03:54
* greg-g 's is coming in December03:54
nigelbahh, nice!03:54
nigelbgreg-g: congrats :)03:54
akgranerjcastro, love that post and the about.me that was fun!03:55
jcastroya03:55
jcastroit was awesome, and then it got by AOL03:55
jcastrobut luckily, they didn't mess with it03:55
nigelbLike maco said, my moustache might be offended there :P03:55
akgranerjcastro, you are a fun tool finding magnet these last few days03:55
jcastroI AM INTO TOOLS03:56
* akgraner resists the urge to say something totally inappropriate :-)03:56
nigelblol03:57
jcastroI said that just to torture you03:57
akgraneryeah I know :-P03:57
nigelbakgraner: lyz said it right last night03:57
nigelb--> "I have tool porn!" is my new favorite jcastroism03:57
akgranertotally....03:58
akgranerfrom the book of jcastro03:58
jcastroconsider me your lifehacker!03:59
akgranermy favorite is - "Dude, just do s@#$!"03:59
akgranerI have it on a post-it note on my desk and in my calendar....:-)04:00
akgranerit makes me smile :-)04:00
jcastrohah04:01
jcastrodid I actually ever say that?04:02
jcastrothat sounds too positive a thing for me to say04:02
nigelb^ that needs quoting04:02
nigelb"Did I actually ever say that?" - jcastro04:02
akgranerjcastro, yep you said that!04:02
akgranerto quote Archer <jazz hands> Amazing </jazz hands>04:03
akgranerArchor even04:03
czajkowskialoha06:39
AlanBellmorning all06:54
dholbachgood morning07:08
dholbachis it released yet?07:08
nigelbNow that you asked, the release date has been moved by an hour.07:10
dholbachjussi, ^ the bot is slow07:10
nigelblol07:11
* nigelb hugs dholbach 07:11
dholbachwow07:16
dholbachthere's07:16
dholbachhttp://thisisthecountdown.com/07:16
dholbachhttp://thisisntthecountdown.com/07:16
dholbachhttp://thisisthefinalcountdown.com/07:16
nigelbheh07:18
AlanBelland that has been a totally brilliant project by the advert team07:19
nigelbagreed07:20
AlanBellseen the line below the countdown?07:20
nigelbwhat is that?07:21
AlanBellthat is actually a 1px high gif07:21
AlanBellwith red bars at even spacings. If you take all the black and white bits and put them on top of each other it makes a reversed QR code07:21
AlanBellwhich takes you to a bitly url and downloads a password protected .7z file containing the second set of casefiles or something07:23
nigelbhow the...07:23
nigelbhow did you do that?07:23
AlanBelldunno, I was going to do it in gimp but someone else did it very very fast07:23
AlanBellhttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/14204175/qr.png07:24
dholbachhi dpm07:24
dpmhey dholbach, good morning :)07:24
dpmmorning all07:25
nigelbThis is just wow.07:25
nigelbThere's been a *lot* of effort gone into this.07:25
AlanBellyes, there was a phone number to call for one clue07:25
AlanBelland there is a video07:25
AlanBellhttp://worldspaceagency.org/security/cctv/recon/07:27
=== kim0|holiday is now known as kim0
kim0Morning everyone07:48
kim0Today is Oneiric day eh07:49
dpmhey kim0, welcome back and happy release day :)07:49
kim0dpm: thanks man07:53
kim0anyone doing something special today07:53
dholbachhey jono08:00
jonohey dholbach08:00
dholbachjono, this one is for you: http://thisisthefinalcountdown.com/08:00
dholbach(not sure if you've seen http://thisisthecountdown.com/ before)08:01
jonoyeah I saw that08:01
jonopretty cool :-)08:01
kim0jono: isn't it too late for you :)08:05
jonokim0, I am in London :-)08:05
kim0a ah08:06
jonohappy release day, folks!08:06
czajkowskiheh08:21
AlanBell-release-party is already moving fast08:28
czajkowskibugger forgot my camera  :/08:31
* dholbach just started https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Social - feel free to add more to it08:36
nigelbAlanBell: Its slower this year08:37
czajkowskidholbach: cool, perhaps adding yours jono and dpm U cast stuff there the channels?08:38
czajkowskidholbach: ohhh offical #locoteam tag (which rocks btws)08:39
dholbachsure, feel free to add :)08:41
czajkowskiwill do08:41
dholbachalthough my videocast has been a bit inactive lately08:41
czajkowskijust need to not be in view of others editing a wiki08:41
czajkowskibut for reference they're still there08:41
nigelbwow08:43
nigelb1600 people in #ubuntu08:43
nigelbis that normal?08:43
AlanBellhttp://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/?p=128&shareadraft=4e96a8313980508:59
nigelbAlanBell: looks good09:01
nigelbI like the bit where there's feedback from the personas09:01
AlanBellyeah, I thought I would go round and interview them all :)09:02
=== dpm_ is now known as dpm
jcastrocan someone on android/iphone check to see if Guidebook has the new UDS on it yet?13:08
jcastro(mine is in preview mode so I can't tell when it's published)13:08
Pendulumjcastro: still not seeing it13:10
dholbachtoday seems to be a bad day for writing an article on fridge.u.c13:10
jcastrothanks!13:11
jcastrodholbach: Go out and support users!13:11
jcastropost on the forums, AU, a user mailing list, etc.13:11
dholbachI need to write this blog post first :)13:11
jcastrodholbach: or just sit back for a moment13:11
jcastroput on those sunglasses13:11
jcastroand flex your muscles13:11
dholbach:-)13:11
* dholbach hugs jcastro13:11
jcastrodholbach: man, we made it!13:11
jcastro<---- didn't die13:11
dholbach:-)13:12
jcastroI did gain 15 lbs this cycle though13:12
mhall119jcastro: it's not out yet13:12
jcastronow I have to get rid of that13:12
akgranerdholbach, is it slow? (the fridge that is)13:13
dholbachakgraner, yep13:14
akgranerping the IT/IS folks they were supposed to be working on a solution to fix that - they needed to plan for its becoming popular13:15
nigelbwoah13:16
nigelbnew website is cool13:16
akgranerdholbach, dang it - it is slow - I need to add the release announcement  - boo13:19
dholbachnigelb, you mean the tour?13:19
nigelbdholbach: yeah13:19
dholbachit's ....ing amazing!13:20
nigelbheh13:20
jcastromhall119: NOW I can relax13:23
nigelbdholbach: I don't know how they pulled it off.13:23
nigelbThe tour section is so full of win!13:23
dholbachnigelb, try sending an email :)13:23
mhall119jcastro: me too13:24
nigelbit works?13:24
mhall119if anyone hasn't seen http://www.ubuntu.com/tour/ go check it out, it's pretty awesome13:24
dholbachyeah, I'm sure it's full of alien technology13:24
mhall119dholbach: +113:24
nigelbOh, ISD does do "some" work :P13:24
* nigelb hides from mhall119 13:25
* mhall119 kicks nigelb13:25
jcastromhall119: did you guys work on that?13:27
jcastroit's basically totally awesome13:27
mhall119jcastro: the tour? no, but it is awesome13:27
nigelbI have no words to describe its awesomness13:27
nigelbmhall119: Not ISD work?13:27
mhall119nigelb: nope13:27
mhall119I did work on https://try.cloud.ubuntu.com/ which is also pretty cool though13:27
mhall119get Wordpress, Drupal or MoinMoin setup on Ubuntu in the cloud in about 5 minutes13:28
nigelbmhall119: Is that the one Daviey dumped on you? :P13:28
mhall119yes13:28
jcastromhall119: ok so I can go ahead and tell people to try that?13:30
mhall119jcastro: yup13:31
jcastrois this what you worked on?13:31
jcastrothis is way cooler than a tour. :)13:31
mhall119jcastro: the past month or so, that's what newz and I have been hacking on13:31
jcastroawesome13:31
AlanBellthat is rather impressive13:33
AlanBellis it translated too? I see a rubbish bin, not a trashcan13:33
nigelbYeah, I as like13:34
nigelbdrat, en_GB13:34
dpmAlanBell, all communications in the website are in en_GB13:34
AlanBellso everyone gets to see the rubbish bin?13:34
nigelbyeah13:35
popeywin13:36
nigelbI'm instaling stuff13:36
nigelbwow13:36
nigelbomgubuntu did some good stuff - http://www.thenewubuntu.com/13:54
akgraneroh that is sweet!13:55
czajkowskihmm site doesnt load14:00
jcastroI started a G+ hangout14:03
nigelbheh <3 http://lunduke.com/?p=198514:08
nigelbHe says "I take it back. Unity is cool."14:08
pangolinczajkowski: it loads but sloooooooooooowwwwwwwwww, been loading for over 5 minutes now :/14:08
mhall119czajkowski: it's slow loading, lots of big images14:08
nigelbPretty sure the sever is nicely hosed :P14:08
pangolinall thanks to you nigelb :P14:08
Martynunity + multi-monitor = bad juju though14:08
MartynI've been trying to use it, I really have .. but when you have a three-monitor setup, it's far more awkward than gnome was14:09
nigelbpangolin: heh, I've been laughing at http://bristowe.com/blog/2011/6/15/awesome-canadian-html5-coat-of-arms-is-awesome.html14:09
pangolinI would look but right now my ISP is freaking out at all the bandwidth I am using lol14:10
czajkowskiI'm doig my 1st G+ hang out with the AWESOME jcastro14:10
nigelbhaha14:10
pangolinnigelb: What? no hockey stick?14:14
czajkowskiand I only use that word when dealing with mr. jcastro as otherwise I dislike it, but tis him and it sums jcastro up14:15
nigelbpangolin: heh14:16
akgranerwhoa the fridge is just crawling along..14:50
jonocongrats everyone on the release!14:54
akgranerjono - this has to be the best release day yet...tell everyone in Millbank thanks!14:57
jonoakgraner, awesome, will do :-)14:58
doctormoIs it go? I thought we had 3 hours15:03
jcastrojono: hey I'm doing a release hangout15:03
akgranerdoctormo, why are you on IRC  - babies trump Ubuntu releases :-P  Congrats again she is awwwwdorable!15:04
jonojcastro, awesome, I would join but I am in a room with a bunch of other people and I probably shouldnt disturb them15:04
doctormoBabies need good Ubuntu releases too you know.15:04
akgraner:-)15:04
doctormoShe is really cute though :-)15:04
jcastrojono: right, so I was thinking in the future ....15:04
jcastroa little webcam at millbank15:05
jcastroand people can drop in and say hi15:05
akgranerjcastro, how long are you going to be hanging out....15:05
jcastrocimi and I are just working and leaving it open15:06
jcastroand every once in a while someone asks a question15:06
doctormoWow so many torrenters of the iso are being jerks and not seeding.15:06
akgranercause well I can't hangout until I go through hair and makeup :-P15:10
jonojcastro, totally15:10
jonoakgraner, same here :-)15:10
jcastrojono: you guys aren't all streaming out of the office and heading to the pub?15:10
akgranerhaha15:10
jonojcastro, not yet :-)15:10
* popey heads to london for beer15:12
popeywhat's that jono, you're buying me a beer!? Awesome!15:12
jcastrodid someone say jono is buying beer?15:13
jonoruh roh15:13
jono:-)15:13
popeyright, see you later :D15:14
czajkowskiBEER15:55
czajkowskiNEED15:55
czajkowskiand the cask has some yummy yummy beers15:56
czajkowskipasion fruit15:56
czajkowskibanana15:56
czajkowskirasberry15:56
czajkowskistrawberry15:56
czajkowskiyou're getting the idea right15:56
mhall119any beer flavored ones?16:00
dholbachalright my friends - I call it a day16:23
dholbachsee you all tomorrow16:23
akgranerDang it the Fridge is still unreachable17:58
jcastroI'm sure all infrastructure is creaking right now17:59
akgranertotally....but this is happening more and more - I'll chalk it up to release day excitement18:00
bkerensaa few grammar issues in the Oneiric release notes18:01
bkerensa:D18:01
akgranerand I love the fact we are getting enough traffic on the Fridge now  to cripple it or slow it down....which in a way is cool considering where we were a year ago18:02
bkerensa:D18:02
bkerensaakgraner: Poor Fridge18:04
akgranerhehe18:05
akgranerall things considered I guess it's a good thing...18:06
akgranernot really - but I am trying to find the positives ;-)18:07
jcastrohey daker18:09
jcastrooops, sorry, I meant dpm18:09
daker18:10
jcastrodpm: can an app make a symlink for the software center?18:10
jcastrolike, with a lens, it needs to have a .desktop file in a specific place18:10
jcastroand being wrapped in /opt doesn't help there. :-/18:10
dpmjcastro, I'm not sure. wendar, stgraber, mvo or achuni might be able to tell you more. The user's folder can also be used, I think. Can't they go to .local or somewhere like that?18:13
jcastrooh, they can!18:13
jcastrothat actually answers my question!18:13
dpmoh, great, then :)18:13
jcastroI really need to learn to stop overusing exclamation points.18:13
jcastro!18:13
jussi!!!!18:14
bkerensajcastro: Does planet have a master feed so I can throw it into Twitter feed?18:41
bkerensa:D18:41
akgranerjcastro, OMG you didn't tell me that test driving Ubuntu Cloud with wordpress was this cool - DUDE even I can figure this out18:41
jcastroakgraner: I know right18:41
akgranerand THAT is freakin cool!18:41
jcastroand it's still too complicated, once the charm stuff is in you'll be deploying things everywhere like you install packages18:42
jcastro*soon*18:42
akgranerI want my own Ubuntu Cloud now not just this test instance18:42
bkerensaBitnami + Wordpress = Winning :P18:42
akgranerTHIS IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COOOOOOL!!!!!18:42
jcastrohttp://planet.ubuntu.com/rss20.xml18:42
jcastrobkerensa: ^18:43
* bkerensa has his Znc, Wordpress Sites and a few other things on the cloud now :P18:43
bkerensajcastro: Cool thanks :D18:43
jcastroakgraner: we do bare metal too18:43
jcastroso like, you can just deploy to your own hw18:43
akgranerOh really - I want to know more..../me plans on interviewing server team soon and paying more attention to this cloud stuff18:44
akgranerI thought it was like totally to hard and technical for me - but OMG you all are making it so I can do this stuff - AMAZING!!18:45
jcastroyeah!18:45
jcastrothough kim0 or I can explain it too18:45
akgranerremember you said that when I bug you at UDS18:45
bkerensaakgraner: The server team is cool... I met them all at PuppetConf :)18:45
jcastroI got nothin but spare time on fri/sat18:45
akgranersweet!18:45
akgranerthen you have to show me how to deploy this stuff - I want to build 2 new websites and stuff18:46
akgranerbkerensa, the puppet folks are awesome too :-)  I've got to interview a few of them - now I am totally understanding this stuff more - I used to have Nick or Pete move sites around for me18:47
bkerensa:D18:47
akgranerI think I might actually be able to do this from start to finish using ubuntu cloud...18:47
jcastroyeah18:47
jcastrothe problem there is18:47
jussiakgraner: how are my questions going? :D18:47
jcastroyou go from a simple cheap VPS bill18:47
bkerensaLove the puppet guys... They sponsored us to PuppetConf when Canonical declined :P18:48
jcastroto nickel and dimes on amazon18:48
akgranerhmmm18:48
akgranerwell Pete will not fund my FOSS habits - /me has to find a solution to cost then18:49
jcastrowell, ya'll have hardware already right?18:49
jcastrolike a home server and all that?18:49
akgraneryep18:49
akgraneryeppers18:49
bkerensaakgraner: I approached their CM after global jam and told him there was interest to have a booth and he was like well Canonical is sponsoring PuppetConf so I don't see why they wouldnt just send a e-mail around and make it happen and I was like uhh I doubt it but ok :P18:49
jcastroand it's not horrible hw?18:49
akgranernope18:49
akgranerrelatively new18:50
bkerensaand sure enough two weeks letter we got a response saying nope :P but PuppetLabs said they would pick up the cost18:50
jcastroyeah so you'll want to play with local LXC stuff18:50
jcastrowhich basically means, you would deploy to that server18:51
jcastroinstead of EC218:51
akgranerahhh ok18:51
jcastrobut juju won't care, the commands and stuff are exactly the same18:51
bkerensaJuJu :)18:51
akgraneroh cool - /me goes back through cloud.ubuntu.com and reads kim0's posts18:52
jcastroactually, it's all lowecase18:52
jcastroI got a talking to by the branding police. :p18:52
akgranerjcastro, hehe yeah they are everywhere :-)18:52
jussibranding police are scary18:53
akgranerbkerensa, glad it was a good experience for you  - I've interviewed Luke a few times and he is so patient when explaining stuff to me...18:53
bkerensajcastro: :) better the branding police then the external critics18:53
jcastroI assure you, with a name like juju .....18:54
jcastrothere are plenty of critics18:54
akgranerhaha18:54
jussiakgraner: you are a great listener though18:54
akgranerthanks!  I try18:54
akgranerjcastro, I'll get back to you if I get stuck or totally don't understand something18:55
akgranergotta go pick the kids up18:55
jcastrocooh18:55
bkerensaakgraner: Full server team http://www.flickr.com/photos/bkerensa/6241547400/in/photostream <--- I think thats everyone not sure18:55
jussithe server teeam is definately one team you dont want to annoy... :D18:55
bkerensajussi: Yeah people tried to flame juju at puppetconf18:56
bkerensaand the Canonical guys uhh did a decent job of defending the product18:56
bkerensa:P18:56
akgranerok I think my head is going to explode reading about all this cloud stuff is like drinking from a firehose...19:56
akgranerjcastro, I am so hooked on this stuff - if I bring a server with me to UDS you going help me set it up?  (just kidding  - but seriously what do I need to bring so that I can learn the most from you and kim0)20:55
akgranercrap gotta run back to the kids school and drop off flags..grrr. bbiab20:55
bkerensaakgraner: digital voice recorder and note pad :D21:27
akgranerbkerensa, I always have those with me :-)21:31
akgranerjcastro, kim0 can I just tell you guys that I am so happy Ubuntu Cloud *can be* for regular end users like me :-) I thought it was only for uber geeks...y'all just made my day today!21:44
akgranerok so maybe *regular* doesn't describe me but you know what I mean21:44
AlanBellevening all23:26
AlanBellI saw pgraner earlier akgraner23:26
akgraneroh cool - how was he , I've only seen him about 6 days more than you this month  :-P23:28
akgranerAlanBell, I hope he was in good spirits (yes there is a pun in there somewhere)23:29
akgranerHow was the release party - fun I hope!  I have to miss the NC team one this weekend :-(  My daughter has a band competition...23:30
AlanBellhe seemed on good form :)23:31
AlanBellit was great fun, really good turnout23:32
akgraner:-)23:32
jcastroAlanBell: good millbank turn out?23:39

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