[04:45] <kaege> could some 1 help me?
[04:45] <kaege> hello
[04:45] <kaege> hell
[04:47] <kaege> my ubuntu software centre is missing
[08:27] <airurando> morning
[08:28] <slashtom> good morning
[08:29] <airurando> hi slashtom
[08:30] <czajkowski> peeka  boo
[08:30] <czajkowski> release day
[08:30] <slashtom> when's your party?
[08:31] <czajkowski> tonight
[08:31] <czajkowski> happens in london this way as canonical been here all week
[08:31] <slashtom> grand
[08:32] <slashtom> you could fly out to our party on the saturday ;)
[08:34] <czajkowski> saturday is a photo workshop
[08:35] <airurando> hi czajkowski
[08:35] <czajkowski> airurando: howdy doody
[08:35] <czajkowski> airurando: read my blog lately
[08:35] <czajkowski> :)
[08:35] <airurando> yip
[08:35] <airurando> :)
[08:36] <airurando> tell me how did canonical get to retweet the ubuntuie tweet yesterday?
[08:36] <airurando> you must have influenced that
[08:37] <czajkowski> I tweet
[08:37] <czajkowski> canonical follows me
[08:37] <czajkowski> :)
[08:37] <czajkowski> simples
[08:37] <airurando> ahh
[08:37] <czajkowski> but also rather cool
[08:37] <czajkowski> :)
[08:37] <airurando> very cool
[08:37] <airurando> I was gobsmacked
[08:38] <airurando> is everyone #ubuntu-release-party today?
[08:39] <airurando> only 249 in there at present
[08:41] <czajkowski> aye slow start
[09:18] <slashtom> BenChapman: you coming to the release party? http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ie/1278/detail/
[09:27] <dumb1224> dont want to ask but any other window manager to temporarily replace unity
[09:27] <dumb1224> i know there are a lot
[09:27] <slashtom> gnome?
[09:28] <dumb1224> hmmm is it worth it?
[09:28] <czajkowski> why would you want to replace unity
[09:28] <czajkowski> next lts it's the standard
[09:28] <dumb1224> oh you mean gnome3?
[09:28] <dumb1224> czajkowski: trying to get used to it but need to do some work as well so...
[09:28] <BenChapman> slashtom: yes, I will. sorry kept forgetting to respond to the email!
[09:29] <slashtom> we will be booking a table later, so sign up ;)
[09:29] <czajkowski> hmm
[09:29] <czajkowski> dont see what needs to get used to and I'm not trying to be smart
[09:29] <BenChapman> done and done
[09:29] <czajkowski> different layout
[09:29] <czajkowski> but all your stuff is still there
[09:29] <czajkowski> just alt f2 there
[09:30] <czajkowski> and type what you want and it finds it
[09:30] <slashtom> czajkowski: freedom is about user choice, i should be able to choose whatever windowmanager i want to use and not be inflicted with whatever canonical decide
[09:30] <slashtom> overwise you may as just well be Apple
[09:30] <BenChapman> slashtom: I may have 1 guest with me
[09:30] <slashtom> grand
[09:31] <ebel> slashtom: you can still change it
[09:31] <slashtom> aye ebel
[09:31] <dumb1224> czajkowski: for some reason it's not working very well....
[09:32] <ebel> slashtom: however you /have/ to have a default. otherwise you vastly increase the complexity when installing.
[09:33] <czajkowski> ebel: +1
[09:33] <dumb1224> czajkowski: there are some quirky behaviour,,,could be tat I upgraded two releases in a row
[09:33] <czajkowski> dumb1224: what's not working well
[09:33] <czajkowski> I've been running alpahas and betas on the same machine since karmic
[09:33] <ebel> slashtom: by your logic ubuntu has always been like apple since it has /always/ had a default window manager/desktop environment that canonical choose.
[09:34] <dumb1224> e.g when I minimise a window i couldn't click on the launcher, some app works fine but some dont
[09:34] <ebel> (Now complaints about the technical merits of unity are a different matter :P )
[09:34] <slashtom> ebel: i was refering to the attitude of "there's something wrong with you if you want to change the default"
[09:35] <dumb1224> I'm happy canonical stepped forward for a more user-friendly UI
[09:35] <dumb1224> But I also like to have a default minimal WM installed, in contrast to a fancy one
[09:36] <slashtom> there are lots of minimal WM available
[09:36] <dumb1224> I've tried blackbox, it's very nice but a bit of conf to do,,,I'm still very green on configuring a wm
[09:36] <ebel> slashtom: ah, i see why what czajkowski said might be interpreted that way.
[09:37] <ebel> sounds like a simple miscommunication though.
[09:37] <slashtom> however i quite like enlightenment :P
[09:38] <ebel> "why would you want to" can sound a bit opressive, but "it shouldn't be much of a change, so don't worry about it" less so.
[09:38] <dumb1224> what does the panel on top do?
[09:38]  * ebel goes back to his coffee
[09:38] <slashtom> :P
[09:39] <dumb1224> it looks like mac os' title bar?
[09:44] <czajkowski>  #ubuntu-release-party is the channel to hang out if you want to keeep up to date
[13:21] <czajkowski> ubuntu.com Ubuntu 11.10 is here!
[13:21] <czajkowski> tis out
[13:24] <czajkowski> http://www.ubuntu.com/tour
[13:25] <ebel> !!
[13:25] <ebel> is that a mock up....
[13:25] <ebel> or that jslinux thing....
[13:25] <ebel> ah it's just a HTML mockup...
[13:25] <ebel> shame, "Booting Ubuntu in your browser would be freaking cool"
[13:35] <tdr112> thats a cool demo
[13:36] <czajkowski> yup the tour is nice
[13:41] <tdr112> i want to change my dev laptop to ubuntu
[13:41] <tdr112> its looks great
[13:41] <tdr112> i miss it
[13:45] <czajkowski> ok fucntional spec all done up bar one wire frame which I cannot get my head around
[13:45] <czajkowski> gah!!!!!!!!!!
[13:46] <czajkowski> so not in the mood
[13:48] <czajkowski> can someone post to the -ie list the tour link and 11.10 is out
[14:02] <tdr112> ok
[14:02] <czajkowski> thanks
[14:03] <czajkowski> http://www.thenewubuntu.com
[14:03] <czajkowski> is also a good tour
[14:07] <tdr112> email away
[14:12] <delcoyote> precise pangolin....
[17:37] <dumb1224> oh no....
[17:38] <dumb1224> after a partial upgrade the keyboard and mouse not working on my laptop
[17:39] <dumb1224> run dpkg-reconfigure not helping
[18:49] <tonywade> hi
[19:04] <Belgarat1> hi