[00:00] <doad> see i really wanted to get back 9.10 but when i try to burn it to disk it comes up with errors
[00:00] <AlanBell> what spec  is your computer?
[00:01] <doad> its old real old its got 256mb ram 120gb hdd and a pentium 3
[00:01] <doad> im in the middle of upgrading
[00:01] <AlanBell> crikey
[00:01] <AlanBell> give up!
[00:01] <doad> i know
[00:01] <doad> but see when i was running 9.10 it was running fine
[00:02] <AlanBell> really, get one on ebay for £20 for a much better spec!
[00:02] <doad> cant i try download it from somewhere and instal ontop of 11.04
[00:03] <AlanBell> the downloads are fine, you can use md5sum to check them
[00:03] <AlanBell> night all o/
[00:04] <doad> ok ill try that ive got a cupboard full of good pc's and laptops but its like a computer graveyard in there and it will take me forever to find all the components but ill try what you said thanks
[00:04] <hamitron> do a cli and add lxde
[00:04] <hamitron> cli install*
[00:04] <doad> whats lxde
[00:05] <hamitron> erm
[00:05] <doad> lol
[00:05] <hamitron> is lubuntu alive?
[00:05] <doad> oh ok and where can i obtain this
[00:05] <hamitron> maybe a better place to start, but I'd want someone who knows for sure to confirm it is good
[00:05] <doad> ok
[00:06] <hamitron> before recommending it fully to you
[00:06] <hamitron> :)
[00:06] <hamitron> I have a 1.2ghz p3 with 512mb ram
[00:06] <hamitron> runs well on lxde....
[00:07] <hamitron> but it will still slow down with the heavyweight apps
[00:07] <doad> right
[00:08] <hamitron> alan is probably right though
[00:08] <hamitron> :)
[00:08]  * hamitron just doesn't like throwing out old hardware
[00:08] <doad> see im quite new to ubuntu do i obtain these files from my terminal?
[00:09] <hamitron> well, I normally install it all from the command line.... but
[00:09] <hamitron> but there is a version of ubuntu that uses lxde by default
[00:09] <hamitron> !lubuntu
[00:10] <hamitron> that page is a good place to start
[00:11] <doad> thanks hamitron
[00:11] <hamitron> good luck
[00:11] <hamitron> :)
[01:21] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu 11.10 and London Release Party - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/13/ubuntu-11-10-and-london-release-party/
[01:37] <hannibal> Hey!
[01:37] <hannibal> anyone here?
[01:37] <Guest14475> the...?
[01:38] <Guest14475> Ok, then! I'm a guest now, so treat me well! :-)
[01:38] <Guest14475> guise, I need some help...
[01:40] <Guest14475> !!!
[01:41] <Guest14475> And, I guess this could be one of the many reasons why Linux holds onle 1% of the market share... Support is almost null sometimes!!!
[01:44] <Seeker`> eugh, itunes copying to an iphone is soooooooooo slowwwwwwwwwwwwww
[01:44] <Seeker`> upgrading to ios5 means copying my library over again
[01:44] <Seeker`> 351/2482 :/
[01:45] <shauno> uff .. appears dennis ritchie died :/  now that's a legacy
[01:52] <Seeker`> wow
[01:56] <RichTUK> 1% what... get some more patients and do some more studying
[03:20] <david_> Can I re-install with apt the LAMP stack - what command would I use? Me a noob -sorry
[05:07] <sebsebseb> hi
[06:38] <czajkowski> Aloha
[06:40] <AlanBell> morning
[06:40] <AlanBell> 02:41 < Guest14475> And, I guess this could be one of the many reasons why Linux holds onle 1% of the market share... Support is almost null sometimes!!!
[06:41] <daubers> Morning
[06:41] <AlanBell> yes, 02:41 would indeed be one of those times
[06:41]  * daubers cooks up bacon and eggs for breakfast
[06:43] <AlanBell> sunny side up for me
[06:46] <daubers> Also, it's cold :(
[06:46] <daubers> Coming back to this from temperatures in the 38's is a bit o a shock
[06:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all/
[06:50] <MartijnVdS> howdy TheOpenSourcerer
[06:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> ooops who put / next to
[07:21] <smittix> Another 10 hours to wait for 11.10 :/
[07:24] <MooDoo> 10 hours?
[07:24] <MooDoo> oh got ya :D
[07:26] <BigRedS> what? There's a set time for it this time?
[07:26] <smittix> according to thisisthecountdown.com :)
[07:26] <BigRedS> ah yeah. somehow I'd forgotten about that
[07:27]  * BigRedS blames an absence of coffee
[07:27] <smittix> heh
[07:27]  * MooDoo drinks his costa :) :p
[07:29]  * smittix drinks his 20p crap cup of coffee from the vending machine :/
[07:30] <MooDoo> i needed proper coffee, in for a crap day today
[07:34] <AlanBell> smittix: it will be released before 7PM I should think
[07:34] <MooDoo> smittix: can't you just download the beta and then upgrade?
[07:35] <AlanBell> or the daily and have less to upgrade
[07:35] <BigRedS> or just upgrade on sunday when the mirrors wont all be on their knees
[07:36]  * BigRedS is a debian user. I don't really get release dates.
[07:38]  * TheOpenSourcerer will probably be holding off for a while...
[07:39] <smittix> Yeah, I suppose.
[07:40]  * smittix prods popey - Any news on the Ubuntu-Users list vacancy?
[07:42] <BigRedS> wait. Ritchie's dead? That's not supposed to happen
[07:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> People die all the time
[07:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> And people can die at *anytime* too.
[07:43] <BigRedS> yeah, but he's init. Everyone else is supposed to be killed of first.
[07:45]  * AlanBell is having a low brainpower day
[07:45] <BigRedS> That said, I've no idea what he's been doing since the 70s. I've just been quite fond of this state where almost everyone who was involved in the invention of modern computing is still alive
[07:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> not trying to install compiz on a client's server again?
[07:45] <AlanBell> just microwaved a cup of coffee that I had forgotten about and whilst waiting for it to warm up I absent mindedly made myself a cup of coffee
[07:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[07:46] <BigRedS> haha
[07:47] <smittix> HEH
[07:51] <MooDoo> AlanBell: doh!
[07:51] <smittix> heh, Put that mac on swapz.co.uk - Been offered cars, motorcycles, guitars . Everything but a bloody laptop!
[07:51] <MooDoo> smittix: what you got?
[07:51] <smittix> Even though the ad states "I'd be interested in swapping for a laptop only"
[07:51] <smittix> Its a Mac Pro Quad Core 2.66
[07:52] <MooDoo> nice.
[07:52] <smittix> Dual Dual Core Processor's
[07:52] <smittix> Trying to get rid of it without putting it on ebay.
[07:52] <MooDoo> if my dell was working properly i would probably have been up for that
[07:53] <smittix> My current laptop is playing up so want something else, and I dont have the room fori t.
[07:53] <MooDoo> smittix: my cd rom is knackard although i've got a external, and there are dead pixels on screen lol
[07:53] <smittix> heh
[07:54] <MooDoo> smittix: thank goodness for 4gb and a ssd :)
[07:54] <smittix> :)
[08:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> very lol: https://twitter.com/opensourcerer/status/124394040899801088
[08:01] <DJones> Ouch
[08:01] <smittix> lol
[08:06] <smittix> Anyone know what Lenovo T400's are like?
[08:07] <BigRedS> that's the big thinkpad isn't it?
[08:07] <smittix> Yeah
[08:08] <BigRedS> my diddy one (x201) is awesome.
[08:08] <BigRedS> in fact, all my thinkpads have been good :)
[08:08] <BigRedS> but this is my first lenovo one and it seems as good as the ibm ones
[08:10] <smittix> I have always liked them but Havent used one for years.
[08:11] <BigRedS> It feels a tad cheaper than the old IBM ones, but it's lived up pretty well to my, er, less-than-careful ownership of it
[08:12] <smittix> heh
[08:17] <tim__> hi guys what time is 11.10 out?
[08:17] <AlanBell> tim__: some time today. join #ubuntu-release-party
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> Every time you ask, it's delayed another minute.
[08:19] <oimon> 11.10 is out today? whoah, somehow thought it was later in the month
[08:20] <RichTUK> comes out pretty soon mate
[08:23] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:25] <BigRedS> g'morning!
[08:37] <andylockran> howdy all
[08:37] <czajkowski> morning all
[08:37] <andylockran> anyone having issues logging into the wiki?
[08:38] <danfish> ahoy hoy savaloys!
[08:38] <gord> i really need to start answering my phone with "ahoy hoy"
[08:41] <gord> is it out yet?
[08:42] <kazade> hehe
[08:42] <kazade> I was gonna type the same thing :p
[08:42] <directhex> anyone else got no internal speaker sound with oneiric?
[08:43] <gord> like the speaker that goes beep? i lost that several releases back
[08:43] <directhex> i mean at all
[08:43] <MooDoo> blimey, how about this.  It's released when it's released.....sigh lol
[08:43] <directhex> i only get sound via headphones
[08:44] <gord> all my laptop speakers work fine
[08:44] <gord> and desktop
[08:44] <gord> just not the one that goes beep
[08:44] <RichTUK> gord its out in 9 hours or so, there is a countdown clock at http://thisisthecountdown.com/
[08:45] <gord> hehe 9 hours or so
[08:45] <oimon> any thunderbird users managed to get the ubuntu notifications working since v6?
[08:45] <gord> replace 9 with $rand
[08:45] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps
[08:46] <gord> oimon, you have thunderbird-globalmenu installed? i *think* then notifications are piggybacked on to that
[08:46] <oimon> gord: i'm on lucid
[08:46] <gord> oimon, ah...
[08:46] <directhex> gord, in "sound settings", in the output tab, which devices are in the connector pulldown menu?
[08:47] <oimon> there's a thunderbird plugin for ubuntu notifications, but seems to have stopped working on later versions
[08:47] <gord> directhex, analogue, but i have a bunch of devices so its different for different ones
[08:53] <JamesTait> Happy Release Day, everyone!
[08:53] <czajkowski> popey: get all your issues resolved?
[08:54] <bigcalm> Is it out yet?
[08:54] <bigcalm> Is that a defrag image?
[08:55] <smittix> heh
[08:55] <RichTUK> bigcalm: not out yet
[08:55] <bigcalm> 7pmish then
[08:55] <diplo> Morning all
[08:55] <smittix> bigcalm: yup
[08:56] <diplo> Wondering if any one can point me in direction of performance issues with *linux in general testing
[08:56] <diplo> IE we have got a lot more powerful server yet it's running things slower, want to pick out if it;s a hardware fault or software I guess
[08:57] <diplo> Old server running a report takes 20 secs with 200+ users, new server with 0 users takes 52 secs
[08:57] <diplo> hdparm is similar output
[09:02] <popey> Morning all
[09:02] <popey> czajkowski: no
[09:02] <kazade> morning popey
[09:03] <kirrus> diplo: have you tried using bonnie to check I/O speed?
[09:03] <czajkowski> popey: bugger
[09:03] <diplo> Nope, not heard of bonnie, I'll investigate now. Been using IOStat and seen nada there
[09:03] <czajkowski> popey: poked folks in -desktop wwith the bugs ?
[09:03] <popey> not yet
[09:03] <popey> they are aware of them
[09:04] <czajkowski> cool
[09:04] <czajkowski> I think it'#s good
[09:04] <czajkowski> but thre does seem to be too many niggle bugs still lurking
[09:05] <andylockran> yeah
[09:05] <andylockran> popey: one last night for example
[09:05] <popey> morning andylockran
[09:05] <andylockran> morning popey
[09:05]  * popey wonders what free stuff andylockran got for his blatant advertising blog post
[09:05] <constrictor> andylockran, popey morning
[09:05] <czajkowski> I think that's the big downside to a fixed date release
[09:05] <czajkowski> it should/could happen any time in october for 11
[09:06] <czajkowski> fixing it to a date not sure is actually working
[09:07] <oimon> i get less excited by ubuntu releases each year. i don't know if that's because i've tested the beta for months already, or that releases have been less momentous in terms of features since 10.04?
[09:07] <andylockran> czajkowski: I understand why there's a date there - but I'm not sure if there's too much focus on 'new features'
[09:07] <andylockran> i.e. LTS releases should be the rock solid stable ones
[09:08] <andylockran> these 6 monthly releases should be considered beta of LTS releases imho
[09:10] <oimon> the next LTS won't have anything like gnome classic though :-\
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> oimon: xfce :P
[09:10] <oimon> xfc-ugly
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> lxde?
[09:11] <oimon> quite nice, although feels more kde3 to me
[09:11] <oimon> for average corporate users on 10.04 , the 12.04 will be a struggle
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> eww
[09:11] <czajkowski> oimon: I'm ok with the lack of classic I like unity
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> oimon: not more than WinXP->Win7
[09:12] <oimon> i have many users on kde3 still
[09:12] <oimon> centos5.x
[09:12] <oimon> they've been using it for 10 years
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIrhVo1WA78
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> oimon: ^
[09:12] <directhex> persists through a reboot. sigh
[09:14] <oimon> MartijnVdS: in the related videos, there seems to be a whole meme of <thing> for 10 minutes
[09:14] <oimon> watch nelson "ha ha" for 10 minutes
[09:15] <gord> aww, krename is broken in oneiric, i'm going to have to use actual bash :(
[09:16] <popey> seems that bug i filed last night is well know by design and unity
[09:17] <oimon> alt-tab?
[09:17] <popey> bug 873082
[09:17] <popey> and _is_ current desired behaviour
[09:17] <popey> according to bug 861250
[09:18] <gord> popey, get people to hit the also affects me button, i hate it too :)
[09:18] <popey> should I mark my bug as a dupe do you think?
[09:19] <oimon> but popey, why would you ever want more than one terminal windows :P
[09:20] <Daviey> don't find bugs on the day of release!!
[09:20] <popey> it doesnt just affect terminal windows
[09:20] <Daviey> oh, i'm good then
[09:20] <popey> it affects any app that is multi-window
[09:20] <gord> marking as a dupe seems sensible
[09:20] <gord> seems like the same issue
[09:21] <kazade_> popey: I just checked in Gnome-shell, the behaviour seems the same
[09:21] <kazade_> however, I heard there was a lot of noise about it so there is a G-S extension to go back to the old-fashioned behaviour
[09:21] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Join The Online Ubuntu Release Party - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/13/join-the-online-ubuntu-release-party/
[09:21] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] Guest Bloggers - http://zrmt.com/2011/10/13/guest-bloggers/
[09:21] <BigRedS> Oh. Oh. I assumed that was just
[09:21] <popey> kazade: its properly mental
[09:22] <BigRedS> ah, so my keypresses *are* getting to the server. Just about forty minutes later...
[09:22] <nymwar> When is the 11.10 release date?
[09:22] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:22] <BigRedS> today
[09:22] <nymwar> today?  Oh, that was good timing then.  I was just wondering about this earlier
[09:23] <bigcalm> About 7pm tonight
[09:23] <nymwar> ok
[09:27] <constrictor> 7pm is too far away I want it now
[09:27]  * MooDoo is predicting 43 people ask when is the release date, any one for their guess.
[09:27] <oimon> constrictor: i'm sure you can get the RC now
[09:27] <oimon> and apt-get update later
[09:28] <czajkowski> about 4pm today as drinks start from 5/6 onwards
[09:29] <constrictor> already did that with my personal laptop (xubuntu)
[09:29] <constrictor> it's perfect
[09:30] <oimon> does xubuntu come with ubuntu one integration etc?
[09:31] <bigcalm> MooDoo: as we can't bet on the release time, this is the alternative?
[09:31] <gord> oimon, depends what applications you use in it. if you install the u1 daemon, then ~/Ubuntu One will be synchronized - however you won't be able to set more folders to synchronize unless you use nautilus
[09:31] <MooDoo> bigcalm: sorry i'm just grumpy and wonder how many more impatient people will ask :D
[09:32] <gord> is it out yet?
[09:32] <oimon> !topic
[09:32] <smittix> Didn't think there was a RC of 11.10
[09:32] <directhex> i miss audio :(
[09:32] <gord> how would you do a release without a release candidate?
[09:33] <smittix> I can't find the RC
[09:33] <constrictor> oimon, no xubuntu doesn't I didn't use that much anyway
[09:33] <BigRedS> MooDoo: the whole the-more-you-ask-the-more-it's-delayed thing should really be implemented
[09:33] <oimon> i think the oneconf stuff can be a killer feature for ubuntu
[09:34] <MooDoo> BigRedS: hear hear :)
[09:34] <bigcalm> BigRedS: I'm tempted to do that with my clients ;)
[09:34] <nymwar> what is oneconf?
[09:34] <AlanBell> BigRedS: try asking in #ubuntu-release-party
[09:35] <gord> bigcalm, problem is, we would actually like to release some time this year ;)
[09:35] <gord> BigRedS* ^
[09:35] <gord> stop having similar nicks you two >:(
[09:35] <bigcalm> Bwuhahaha
[09:35] <oimon> nymwar: using ubuntu one to store configs and application settings to make it easier to use multiple machine and perform super easy reinstalls and upgrades
[09:35] <nymwar> ah
[09:35] <oimon> it's a work in progress
[09:36] <smittix> Is it out yet?
[09:36] <smittix> What about now?
[09:36] <smittix> Ok, Now?
[09:36] <oimon> release the hounds on smittix
[09:36] <smittix> That would have taken it back 3 hours
[09:36]  * AlanBell kicks smittix to #ubuntu-release-party
[09:36] <smittix> heh
[09:39] <Laney> did that ARG finish?
[09:45] <MooDoo> AlanBell: can't you just kick hom?
[09:45] <MooDoo> s/him
[09:50] <_serial_> hi all, do you guys know when the iso's will be release for 11.10?
[09:50] <_serial_> released*
[09:50] <bigcalm> UUPC mentioned about chromium being old and the update manager wants to bring it up to date
[09:51] <AlanBell> _serial_: no, but feel free to join #ubuntu-release party and ask there
[09:51] <bigcalm> Feel the power of the podcast
[09:51] <_serial_> thank you AlanBell
[09:51] <AlanBell> _serial_: join #ubuntu-release-party even
[09:52] <smittix> MooDoo: Thats not nice :P
[09:52] <MooDoo> smittix: what isn't?
[09:52] <smittix> asking alan to kick me heh
[09:58] <MooDoo> smittix: ah i'm in one of those moods, feel free to poke me at will :)
[09:58] <MooDoo> smittix like this czajkowski *POKE* :)
[10:00] <czajkowski> >:(
[10:00] <MooDoo> czajkowski: well seeing as davmor2 wasn't here, it's my job to fill in :)
[10:00] <czajkowski> yeah where is that little you know whatits
[10:01] <MooDoo> czajkowski: just logged in by the look of it......now we can harras you more :)
[10:01] <popey> AlanBell: what time you heading into town?
[10:01] <AlanBell> after the school run
[10:01] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, prod
[10:01] <davmor2> morning all
[10:01]  * czajkowski kicks davmor2 I suggest you behave 
[10:02] <MooDoo> czajkowski: are you in a stressed mood?
[10:02] <MooDoo> morning GirlyGIrl :D
[10:02] <AlanBell> 5pm train maybe, have to grab an offspring from a netball match
[10:02] <davmor2> czajkowski: Ha! not gonna happen
[10:03] <czajkowski> MooDoo: nope
[10:04] <GirlyGIrl> MooDoo: Hi
[10:04] <MooDoo> GirlyGIrl: are you well?
[10:05] <GirlyGIrl> MooDoo: Ehy such a question?
[10:05] <davmor2> gord: friggin app launcher suck in oneiric and I blame you personally for it ;)
[10:05] <kirrus> GirlyGIrl: because we're a friendly bunch? :-)
[10:05] <MooDoo> GirlyGIrl: just being friendly and nosey and making conversation
[10:05] <oimon> etherpadlite opens new notes, but hangs at "loading..." for existing notes - any ideas?
[10:06] <GirlyGIrl> MooDoo: Fine then :d
[10:07]  * MooDoo makes a mental note, totally ignore any one that joins the channel as he doesn't like the spanish inquisition [moodoo waits to see if anyone will say say it]
[10:07] <davmor2> gord: I have thunderbird and xchat maximised and now the launcher won't show at all
[10:07] <kirrus> MooDoo: that didn't make any sense
[10:07] <davmor2> gord: I have to hit the windows button to open/swap apps :(
[10:08] <MooDoo> kirrus: i said spanish inquisition, wondered if anyone would comment [ala monty python]
[10:08] <gord> davmor2, yeah its known
[10:09] <davmor2> gord: :(
[10:09] <davmor2> not a happy bunny
[10:09] <gord> restarting compiz should help
[10:10] <kirrus> MooDoo: ahh, never seen monty python..
[10:10] <davmor2> gord: yeah but I should have too ;)
[10:10] <BigRedS> kirrus: what!?
[10:10] <BigRedS> Oh, hang on, I recall being astounded at that before
[10:11] <bigcalm> Spooky convo.
[10:12] <kirrus> BigRedS: I'll watch your youtube video link after you've seen the fifth element.
[10:12] <MooDoo> not seen monty python??? disgraceful
[10:12] <MooDoo> :D
[10:12] <bigcalm> davmor2: when you said that somebody had never seen MP, I found it hard to believe
[10:12] <davmor2> kirrus: get off this channel and don't return till you know it word for word
[10:12] <AlanBell> popey: really not enjoying the alt-tab behavior now
[10:13] <MooDoo> davmor2: bring out your dead :D
[10:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: He's not the massiah, he's a very naughty boy
[10:14] <kirrus> davmor2: the snippets I've seen made me cringe
[10:14] <BigRedS> cringe?
[10:14] <davmor2> kirrus: don't watch snippet watch the whole film
[10:14] <BigRedS> and all of them
[10:14] <BigRedS> and most of the series
[10:14] <kirrus> I don't like the humor.
[10:14] <AlanBell> twice
[10:15] <czajkowski> I've never watched a whole Mp film
[10:15] <BigRedS> kirrus: it's humour :)
[10:16] <kirrus> BigRedS: which doesn't mesh with my sense of humor
[10:16]  * kirrus knows he's odd
[10:16] <BigRedS> no, your sense of humour
[10:16] <davmor2> kirrus: Stone him, are there any Ladies here?
[10:16] <czajkowski> you're talk to MooDoo and davmor2 and they're pretty odd
[10:16] <czajkowski> so you're ok
[10:16] <kirrus> Woo! \o/
[10:17] <MooDoo> czajkowski: bugger off
[10:17] <davmor2> MooDoo: Language timothy
[10:17] <MooDoo> davmor2: yea sorry
[10:18] <davmor2> MooDoo: we are pretty and odd to be fair take it as a compliment that czajkowski thinks you're pretty
[10:18] <bigcalm> heh
[10:19] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski knows i'm pretty, i mean just look at all my facebook images :)
[10:19] <davmor2> czajkowski: we do seem to have a similar taste in humour oh hang along with pretty much the entire channel so that makes us all odd in your book :P
[10:21]  * czajkowski sends MooDoo and davmor2 to the naughtystep to stop talking for 10 mins 
[10:22] <davmor2> czajkowski: hahahahahaaha we talk all we want on the naughtystep
[10:22] <kirrus> czajkowski: do you really think that'll work?
[10:22] <AlanBell> davmor2: czajkowski is an oasis of sanity in the desert of buffonery and tomfoolery
[10:22]  * AlanBell doesn't really believe that
[10:23] <davmor2> AlanBell: careful you are at the release party tonight and she has a memory
[10:23] <MooDoo> feel free to join us on #naughtystep :)
[10:23] <AlanBell> yay, my openerp module loads without crashing
[10:23] <AlanBell> now to make it do something
[10:23] <popey> AlanBell: good! me-too the bug please
[10:23] <AlanBell> popey: did already
[10:23] <czajkowski> popey: me too
[10:24] <davmor2> popey: what bug?
[10:25] <bigcalm> There are no bugs?
[10:27] <AlanBell> bug 873082
[10:28] <MooDoo> bugs?  on release day? surely not
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> but unity is PERFECT
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> it doesn't have ANY bugs
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> Everything it does, it does by design!
[10:30] <AlanBell> which is why the bug is against ayatana design as well :)
[10:31] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: it's amusing how much of it could plausibly just be down to a drunk design team
[10:31] <czajkowski> alt tabbig is slow for me in 2D and 3d
[10:31] <czajkowski> really really anoying
[10:32] <czajkowski> it takes an age for the default display of applications to pop up
[10:32] <czajkowski> drives me insane
[10:32] <MooDoo> install fedora
[10:32]  * MooDoo ducks and runs
[10:32] <bigcalm> Mmmm, crispy duck
[10:34] <gord> czajkowski, that.. is by design
[10:34] <gord> basically because if you are alt tabbing about between things, you don't want the windows
[10:34] <BigRedS> huh?
[10:34]  * smittix trips MooDoo up
[10:34] <AlanBell> and on the non-unity switchers it is a configurable delay
[10:34] <MooDoo> smittix: rats foiled again
[10:34]  * BigRedS *does* want the windows
[10:35] <AlanBell> and really there is little point in the delay when quick alt-tabbing doesn't generally do something predictable anyway
[10:35] <davmor2> AlanBell: so I wonder what magic thisisthecountdown.com holds for us today
[10:37] <BigRedS> AlanBell: exactly. When I select that icon which represents six or seven different windows, it'd be nice to have some idea of which desktop I'm going to be transported to, even if I can't affect what unity decides to do there
[10:37] <davmor2> oh the worlds longest barcode genius
[10:38] <AlanBell> davmor2: it is a qr code
[10:38] <davmor2> AlanBell: oh no it isn't,  well it's not one that my phone recognises at any rate
[10:39] <AlanBell> davmor2: you have to chop it up on the red lines, reassemble it and reverse it
[10:39] <bigcalm> Haha
[10:39]  * bigcalm gets to work
[10:40] <Laney> what happens at 7pm?
[10:40] <davmor2> AlanBell: NO time for such frivolities
[10:40] <MooDoo> Laney: ubuntu release
[10:41] <davmor2> MooDoo: Release Party more like
[10:41] <MooDoo> davmor2: can't go :(
[10:41] <Laney> i will be enbeered by then
[10:42] <davmor2> MooDoo: nor me, I got way too much to do that requires more than the 2 laptops I could take to London
[10:42] <MooDoo> davmor2: rosie is just too young for me to get a pass out just yet
[10:42] <davmor2> MooDoo: You love it you know you do
[10:44] <MooDoo> davmor2: yes i do, but meeting you lot would be nice too :)
[10:44] <davmor2> haha
[10:44] <davmor2> MooDoo: shame you don't work from Home you could of come to the Home Workers Anonymous on the 17th of nov
[10:45] <MooDoo> well you davmor2 not czajkowski :)
[10:45] <davmor2> MooDoo: that's only cause you'd have to put your hand in your pocket for that pint you still owe her :P
[10:48] <MooDoo> davmor2: oh shush she's forgotten about that
[10:48] <davmor2> MooDoo: it's beer you don't stand a chance of czajkowski forgetting that
[10:50] <smittix> The beta has gone from the oniric folder on cdimage.ubuntu.com
[10:51] <smittix> now it actually says "release"
[10:52] <gordonjcp> ooo
[10:58] <smittix> Looks like its out http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/11.10/release/
[10:59] <popey> *sigh*
[10:59] <AlanBell> when skaet says it is out it is out
[10:59] <popey> it isnt out until this page has content on it https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2011-October/000153.html
[11:00] <DJones> smittix: The announcement email hasn't been sent out yet, so its not out yet, anything else is rumours or unsynched iso's for now
[11:00] <czajkowski> smittix: long day ahead give it another 3-4 hrs ok
[11:00] <directhex> why does it matter?
[11:00] <smittix> heh ok
[11:00] <directhex> you can do-release-upgrade now
[11:00] <popey> indeed you can
[11:00]  * BigRedS wanders off to update his twitter bot
[11:00] <popey> heh
[11:00] <BigRedS> every time it gets a bit later
[11:02] <BigRedS> one day I'll automate it or somthing
[11:08] <bigcalm> AlanBell: I've constructed what looks like a qr code from that image, but google goggles doesn't like it yet
[11:09] <AlanBell> reverse it
[11:11] <bigcalm> I'm wondering if I've missed a line
[11:11] <bigcalm> My image is 25 px high
[11:14] <bigcalm> Could have been human error
[11:14]  * bigcalm writes a script to manipulate it
[11:15] <AlanBell> should look a bit like this http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14204175/qr.png :)
[11:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: if it doesn't look like miss piggy hitting kermit in a czajkowski chop then it's wrong
[11:15] <kirrus> davmor2: what's a czajkowski chop?
[11:16] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:17] <davmor2> kirrus: prey you never know
[11:18] <kirrus> davmor2: hunted animals never know?
[11:18] <kirrus> :P
[11:44] <davmor2> AlanBell: that's just nasty locking the file
[11:44] <Singham> Hi..I have win 7 and ubuntu on my hard disk...If I remove ubuntu , will the windows start automatically ? Or I have to install mbr etc.. ?
[11:45] <DJones> Singham: You'll need to reinstall the mbr
[11:45] <Singham> DJones : How to do that ?
[11:45] <DJones> !fixmbr
[11:45] <DJones> Thats not quite what I was hoping for
[11:46] <Singham> !mbr
[11:46] <brobostigon> there was a dos program, to restore a dos and or windows mbr, if memory serves.
[11:47] <AlanBell> davmor2: eventhorizon
[11:47] <DJones> Singham: This looks about right http://www.ehow.com/how_4836283_repair-mbr-windows.html
[11:48] <DJones> I'm not sure how you can do it if you don't have a Win 7 disc though
[11:51] <gord> couldn't you just set grub to boot into windows?
[11:52] <gord> my grub 2 skills are lacking/nonexistant - but thats what i would do if it were grub1
[11:52] <gordonjcp> brobostigon: fdisk /mbr
[11:52] <Singham> DJones : Thanks..will tyr it.. :)
[11:53] <Singham> gord : how to do it
[11:53] <Singham> ?
[11:53] <brobostigon> gordonjcp: thats it. :)
[11:58] <davmor2> AlanBell: you guys have way too much time on your hands :D
[12:00] <brobostigon> twitter.com/GrumpyOldSodBan lol
[12:03] <Andres-kain> is this thing on?
[12:05] <AlanBell> yes Andres-kain
[12:05] <daubers> lo
[12:15] <BigRedS> hah. wow. I'm 7 minutes away from the release do tonight apparently.
[12:15] <BigRedS> I might even be early
[12:17]  * kirrus grumbles about lucky people
[12:17] <popey> I'm 70 mins away
[12:17] <bigcalm> Any PHP peeps want to play with a script I just wrote to reassemble the countdown qr code?
[12:18] <bigcalm> Because it's not giving me a qr code that google goggles can read
[12:19] <AlanBell> have you reversed it?
[12:20] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/707301/
[12:20] <bigcalm> Do you mean reverse the colours or mirroring the image?
[12:20] <AlanBell> colours
[12:20] <bigcalm> Doh
[12:20] <AlanBell> black=white white=black
[12:20] <bigcalm> Indeed
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> can't you make compiz do that?
[12:25] <bigcalm> Haha, can't open 7zip files by default
[12:27] <bigcalm> It's password protected!
[12:27] <bigcalm> :D
[12:27] <MartijnVdS> "aubergine"
[12:27] <bigcalm> AlanBell: is the password known?
[12:27] <bigcalm> Aww, don't give it away so quickly :)
[12:28]  * MartijnVdS was just guessing
[12:28] <bigcalm> Wrong guess :D
[12:28] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: apt-get install crack :P
[12:30] <bigcalm> It's not this or next release names
[12:30] <bigcalm> Hummz
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> sabdfl?
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> plain "ubuntu"?
[12:30]  * AlanBell did say it earlier
[12:30] <bigcalm> No and no
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: ah, starting with e?
[12:31] <bigcalm> Why would you say it? ;)
[12:31] <bigcalm> Makes sense though
[12:32] <bigcalm> AlanBell: so you are part of all of this
[12:33] <AlanBell> 3it is a conspiracy
[12:33] <AlanBell> but I am not in on it
[12:33] <bigcalm> You're named :)
[12:33] <AlanBell> #awholenewworld is the place to go
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kl4hJ4j48s
[12:39] <bigcalm> This is a fun game indeed
[13:14] <davmor2> hey popey  how long till zaney zebra?
[13:16] <MartijnVdS> popey: is it out yet? and will it contain KDE4?
[13:16] <davmor2> popey: my reckoning is 17.04
[13:16] <tim____> when will ubuntu 11.10 be released
[13:17] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2011-October/000153.html
[13:17] <awilkins> Hmm? There's a release planned, you say?
[13:17]  * awilkins goes back to sleep
[13:17] <heeed> are we there yet?
[13:18] <gord> is 12.04 out yet?
[13:18]  * kirrus bashes gord with the don't-be-a-child blow-up mallet
[13:18] <kirrus> (and heeed)
[13:19]  * awilkins emits the standard "Timmy Mallet's Mallet" noise
[13:19]  * kirrus googles Timmy Mallet's Mallet
[13:19] <smittix> gord: HAH!
[13:19] <gord> this is the only fun i get to have all through the cycle :( everything else is just people complaining at me
[13:19] <davmor2> gord: the amount of work that needs to go into it I would imagine trunk is available now right?
[13:19] <smittix> Can I upgrade to Intrepid yet?
[13:20] <gord> davmor2, trunk what?
[13:20] <davmor2> gord: for all the new software
[13:21] <Nafallo> happy release guys! :-)
[13:22] <imexil> I'm not really sure if I can be happy with a release where synaptic is broken :(
[13:22] <freckle> I have a 3 monitor setup with 2 Nvidia cards. Is Unity going to work for me?
[13:23]  * czajkowski hugs Nafallo 
[13:24]  * Nafallo hugs czajkowski back :-)
[13:26] <diplo> freckle, I didn't have much luck
[13:26] <diplo> with natty
[13:26] <diplo> But also didn't have a lot of patience this time
[13:26] <davmor2> guys take the time to take the tour it's awesome
[13:27] <diplo> I'm running Oneric on lappy at home, find it slow and unfinished tbh
[13:28] <freckle> diplo: since going to 11.04 my 3 monitor experince has dimished over 10.044
[13:28] <freckle> 10.04
[13:28] <diplo> Yep, I moved to 10.10 after trying natty
[13:28] <diplo> everything worked perfectly
[13:28] <diplo> :/
[13:29] <diplo> I'm not against it perse the new look and working, I just find it on both releases buggy as hll
[13:29] <freckle> I find it amazing you can't get a classic desktop out of the box
[13:30] <freckle> is there a rationale to that?
[13:30] <BigRedS> freckle: gnome 2 isn't supported any more
[13:30] <BigRedS> 11.10 ships with gnome3 which is incapale of doing a gnome2 de
[13:31] <freckle> BigRedS: I understand that but why stop supporting when the alternative is a backward step in many respects
[13:31] <diplo> I suppose if Gnome are not supporting 2.* then security issues etc
[13:32] <davmor2> freckle: Because it is no more?  who do you expect to support it?
[13:32] <diplo> Gnome/Canonical have both made the decision to move on, so whats the point in supporting it
[13:32] <constrictor> just got an email it's alive!!!!
[13:32] <freckle> I understand all of that but I think the alternative is inferior
[13:32] <diplo> Who knows, someone may fork it yet
[13:33] <diplo> Yep, I'm not sold.. XFCE/LXDE or use a distro that still is using 2.* ?
[13:33] <diplo> Or KDE
[13:33] <freckle> I use Ubuntu for my desktop at work and Unity is a disaster in this scenario
[13:33] <andatche> unity is a disaster full stop when multiple monitors are involved :(
[13:33] <freckle> all of my colleagues who use Ubuntu feel the same.
[13:34] <ali1234> unity is still better than anything that isn't gnome 2.x
[13:34] <davmor2> freckle: so don't use it there are plenty of options out there
[13:34] <gordonjcp> unity is actually okay once you get rid of the stupid menu-at-the-top thing, and put the window decorations back on the right side
[13:34] <andatche> I love openbox on the desktop, but it lacks some of the convenience features I need a laptop
[13:34] <constrictor> it just inverted all my eclipse menu
[13:34] <freckle> davmor2: so what is a good desktop for triple monitors:?
[13:35] <ali1234> apparently xfce has good multimonitor support
[13:35] <jaymeskeller> Unity may be helpful in the case of netbooks/anything portable. Not on desktops, I say.
[13:35] <gordonjcp> it would be nice if it had a proper taskbar and didn't take up such a huge amount of space with that strip down the side
[13:35] <ali1234> as long as it is real multimonitor nd not twinview
[13:35] <davmor2> freckle: no idea I don't use 3 monitors
[13:35] <constrictor> so "help" comes first and "file" comes last
[13:35] <BigRedS> I really don't get that. It seems as bad to me on a desktop as anything else
[13:36] <freckle> lol4
[13:36] <jaymeskeller> And yes, I did get the memo that 11.10 is live. Not in a hurry to upgrade though.
[13:37] <jaymeskeller> Might wait until it's settled down some.
[13:37] <BigRedS> well, if you were in a hurry you'd have skipped the rush and done it yesterday
[13:37] <jaymeskeller> Really?
[13:37] <BigRedS> well, the RC as it stood yesterday would be basically the same as what's just been released
[13:37] <jaymeskeller> Ah. I see.
[13:37] <BigRedS> and so you'd have a minimal upgrade to do whenever everyone stops ddossing all the mirrors
[13:40] <jaymeskeller> Not to mention that bugs that were missed for whatever reason will be fixed by that time. For example, when I first got natty, it was flaky with RAID support. Now it's working fine.
[13:41] <jaymeskeller> Although that could have also been nvidia acting the goat again.
[13:41] <BigRedS> ell
[13:41] <BigRedS> oop.
[13:41] <popey> http://www.lonap.net/bandwidth.shtml
[13:41] <BigRedS> well, they'll fix some bugs and introduce more :)
[13:41] <popey> will that climb ☺
[13:41] <BigRedS> some way to go to beat apple
[13:41] <popey> yeah
[13:42] <BigRedS> though the spike from 10.04 scared me
[13:42] <BigRedS> http://www.lonap.net/mrtg/lonap-total-year.png
[13:42] <BigRedS> at least I assume that's what it is
[13:42] <BigRedS> hah. no. wrong month :)
[13:43] <jaymeskeller> Mind you, there's always using a VM to road-test it. :)
[13:43] <BigRedS> which wouldn't catch your hardware bug
[13:44] <jaymeskeller> True. Then again, it's useful for testing if software I compile on a regular basis form mercurial and so on still work.
[13:45] <jaymeskeller> Although getting an ISO of orneric is tricky due to the aformentioned bandwith spike.
[13:46] <jacobw> torrent
[13:47] <jaymeskeller> That's what I thought.
[13:55] <scoundrel50a> Hi, I got my e-mail telling me Oneiric is finally out to download. it gives the urls to get the download, but I want to upgrade using the update manager, but its not showing on there yet, how do i get the upgrade that way
[14:09] <kirrus> scoundrel50a: wait
[14:09] <kirrus> it's not released yet
[14:10] <kirrus> scoundrel50a: ahh, sorry, it has released
[14:10] <kirrus> try updating your package lists. Personally, I'd wait though, you'll wait ages for it to download
[14:11] <esteeven> Hello 11.10. How can I edit the services that start when I log on?
[14:14] <Azelphur> esteeven: startup applications?
[14:19] <gordonjcp> the ubuntu tour is pretty cool
[14:22] <bigcalm> The update manager can't download the release notes so no upgrade for me yet
[14:23] <addicted2ramen> hello
[14:23] <bigcalm> Is it me you are looking for?
[14:23] <addicted2ramen> me?
[14:23] <addicted2ramen> lol
[14:23] <bigcalm> I'm just singing, ignore me
[14:23] <addicted2ramen> lionel richie...nice touch
[14:24] <addicted2ramen> *yawns*
[14:25]  * DJones replaces the lionel ritchie song in bigcalm's head with Agadoo......
[14:26] <bigcalm> DJones: do you like to sing along with Oompa Lumpa?
[14:27] <smittix> hmm can't resize the launcher with CCSM
[14:27] <DJones> I'll give that a miss thanks
[14:28] <bigcalm> I assume that the Update Manager can't get the release notes due to network load?
[14:29] <bigcalm> popey: stop playing with Ubuntu and upgrade the mc servers to 1.9pre4!
[14:44] <smittix> There is nothing still that changes the mouse cursor properley. I have tried using gnome-tweak-tools to change the cursor to DMZ_Black and it still doesnt work. Only manually changing the index.theme in /usr/share/icons/default works.
[14:44]  * BigRedS has found a bug in this ubuntu tour thing
[14:45] <BigRedS> If I try to view a tour in a tour in a tour I can't get at the side panel thingy
[14:46] <gord> PEBCAK
[14:47] <BigRedS> haha
[14:47] <BigRedS> I'm quite impressed, though
[14:48] <davmor2> BigRedS: you're not meant to the T'interweb implodes on itself if you do ;)
[14:50] <oimon> just seen a bug with the longest title in humanity
[14:51] <oimon> surprised launchpad allows them that long
[14:53] <davmor2> oimon: there are ways and means, my friend, ways and means
[14:54] <oimon> i'd post the bug number in here but it would lubotu3 would kill me
[15:02]  * popey tickles ali1234 
[15:02] <popey> er AlanBell
[15:02] <popey> :D
[15:02] <oimon> popey: agree, thenewubuntu.com is a well made site
[15:14] <hcfd> Hi, has anyone got advice on installing Windows 7 alongside Ubuntu? I have 7 HDDs, 6 of which are Ubuntu/ext3 and ext4 RAID1 mirrors. The 7th drive I want to install Windows 7 on. I propose to use the Win7 USB installer, point at HDD#7, install, then use BIOS boot order to boot that drive. Later I will add Win7 to GRUB. Will my Ubuntu installation be fine?
[15:15] <hcfd> GRUB (and /) is on /dev/sda and /dev/sdc ... I'm guessing Win7 will not touch these drives or any of the others?
[15:16] <ali1234> install windows first
[15:17] <ali1234> if you can't install windows first, unplug all other drives to prevent windows from screwing with them
[15:17] <hcfd> Well that's my main question.. do I need to unplug the drives or not
[15:18] <hcfd> Also, I'm on Ubuntu now (using all 6 current disks). Win7 is going on its own disk.
[15:18] <hcfd> No MBR backup/restore needed I'm assuming.
[15:18] <hcfd> Win7 will put its own MBR on its own disk. BIOS determines which OS boots (sda or sdc = Ubuntu via GRUB, and sdX = Win7)
[15:19] <hcfd> I'm guessing Windows 7 will see the sdX drive just fine
[15:20] <hcfd> Later.. when all is working.. Win7 can be added to GRUB
[15:21] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alistair McKinlay] Ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot) Review - http://www.10people.co.uk/index.php/2011/10/ubuntu-11-10-review/
[15:23] <smittix> wow seeing some really slow wireless problems in 11.10
[15:27] <oimon> anyone running cyanogen 7.1 ? MooDoo?
[15:27] <bigcalm> o/
[15:28] <bigcalm> Humm, changing the software source from GB mirror to main server has sped up the upgrade process
[15:32] <bigcalm> I wonder if the next Wii console with have 802.11N. I would like to ditch g
[15:32] <bigcalm> The wii and my joggler are the only devices left on g I think
[15:35] <Azelphur> wtf, this is really messed up
[15:35] <Azelphur> If I go to /media/ there's nothing there
[15:35] <Azelphur> in both a terminal and nautilus
[15:36] <Azelphur> but if I click the "1.0TB File System" button in nautilus, it takes me to /media/<uid> and it works
[15:36] <Azelphur> but /media/ is still an empty folder
[15:36] <Azelphur> how the hell does that work xD
[15:37] <rindolf> Hi all.
[15:37] <oimon> Azelphur: anything under the output of the mount command?
[15:37] <Azelphur> oimon: nope I can't see it in there
[15:39] <Azelphur> oimon: http://i.imgur.com/eW5MV.png
[15:44] <DJones> Azelphur: Is it supposed to be auto mounted via fstab?
[15:44] <Azelphur> DJones: I just clicked on the icon in nautilus to mount it
[15:45] <DJones> Azelphur: I ask that because I've got some nfs shares I mount and tehre should be an icon on the desktop for each one, but sine 11.10, I've not had the icon, haven't investigated it yet, but I wondered if mine aren't auto-mounting as they should
[15:46] <Azelphur> hehe
[15:46] <Azelphur> nah this is 11.04
[15:46] <DJones> They're not being mounted under /mnt by any daft chance are they
[15:47] <Azelphur> nope
[15:48] <DJones> Is it the same after a reboot?
[15:49] <Azelphur> dunno, don't particularly wanna reboot that machine. I can work around it by navigating direct to that folder anyway
[15:49] <gord> Azelphur, check ~/.gvfs/ - i think some stuff gets mounted under there
[15:50] <Azelphur> gord nope
[15:50] <ando> Has anyone else experienced difficulties installing 11.10 from a USB stick?
[15:51]  * bigcalm cracks a whip at the Ubuntu servers. Download things more quickly!
[15:52] <ando> It just drops me in an initramfs shell or something
[15:52] <ando> I'm going to try from a DVD now and see if that helps
[15:52] <DJones> ando: Have you checked the md5sum of the iso you downloaded
[15:53] <Azelphur> is it release day today?
[15:53] <DJones> If the iso is corrupted, the usb stick might be corrupted because of it
[15:53] <DJones> Azelphur: Yep
[15:53] <Azelphur> oh, fun :D
[15:54] <Azelphur> any fancy page that gives a brief overview on what's new?
[15:55] <DJones> !11.10
[15:55] <DJones> Nope, thought that went to the release notes
[15:55] <Azelphur> lol
[15:55] <DJones> I would guess ubuntu.com will have a list of changes
[15:56] <DJones> Azelphur: http://www.ubuntu.com/tour/ :)
[15:57] <DJones> Maybe
[15:57] <Azelphur> DJones: woa, haha that's cool
[15:57] <DJones> That does have a whats new link as well
[16:01] <bigcalm> I look forward to Libre Office correctly handling .docx with track changes enabled
[16:01] <ando> Azelphur, the md5sums are fine
[16:01] <ando> Perhaps my USB stick is screwed
[16:01] <Azelphur> md5sums? o.O
[16:01] <ando> I'll try from a DVD now anyway
[16:01] <bigcalm> Had to print a file from MS Office on a windows laptop just to get the correct list of changes :(
[16:02] <ando> md5sum
[16:02] <ando> :P
[16:02]  * AlanBell is on a train
[16:03] <bigcalm> Not a horse
[16:03] <bigcalm> ?
[16:03] <bigcalm> Aww
[16:03] <DJones> A sea horse would be better
[16:03] <davmor2> AlanBell: wow London has an A trian
[16:07] <MartijnVdS> A++++  would ride again?
[16:14] <shauno> my natty bug just got confirmed for precise :(
[16:14] <bigcalm> Well, means that it'll get looked at...
[16:17] <shauno> (on the plus side, I do like that I can spell 'precise')
[16:17] <DJones> shauno: Does it affect Oneiric as well?
[16:17] <shauno> yeah
[16:18] <DJones> Thats good, in that if it affects the latest release, there's even more chance of it being investigated/fixed
[16:18] <shauno> it's been investigated, just waiting for it to trickle down from the mainline kernel now
[16:18] <czajkowski> I wnanna be on a bus into town
[16:23] <awilkins> Ack, dammit, why did you have to have the release party in Leeds.
[16:24] <awilkins> I'm in Leeds. But I have to go home now. Waah. Etc
[16:24] <czajkowski> awilkins: wghere do you want one to happen ???
[16:24] <awilkins> Manchester? On a Friday?
[16:24] <awilkins> :)
[16:24] <czajkowski> go make one happen so
[16:24] <czajkowski> simples
[16:24] <awilkins> Maybe MadLab will have one
[16:37] <sdh> \o/
[16:40] <bigcalm> Absolute Radio feeds have all just gone down :(
[16:43] <ali1234> hackers. everywhere.
[16:44] <gord> they are gonna hack the planet =\
[16:45] <jacobw> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15287391
[16:45] <jacobw> :(
[16:45] <jacobw> gord: perhaps the IBM Smart Planet :P
[16:48] <ali1234> "Many users complained on Apple forums that the download was taking time"
[16:48] <ali1234> are the bbc paying writers by the word now?
[17:06] <jacobw> their coverage of dennis ritchie's death is underneath their coverage of BBM
[17:12] <emorris> release parties: do you just put your name down and turn up or...?
[17:12] <bigcalm> As far as I know
[17:13] <emorris> is anyone going to the leeds one?
[17:19] <daftykins> damn - the cyanogenmod channel for the HP touchpad has just gone ridiculous since they released the alpha
[17:19] <daftykins> full of newbies refusing to read instructions
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: newbies are good at that
[17:19] <daftykins> ^_^ indeed
[17:20] <daftykins> oh look new ubuntu - *yawn*
[17:20] <daftykins> :D
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: this is why I left #ubuntu-nl -- people refusing to read instructions, and then blaming me for pointing them to them ;)
[17:20] <daftykins> :D
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> ("I followed the instructions, and it doesn't work." "So, did you do X Y Z?" "X Y Z?" "Yes, step 3/5 from that HOWTO I linked earlier" "...")
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> *shakes fist*
[17:21] <daftykins> :D
[17:22] <bigcalm> Sod the HP Touchpad. I want CM on my Kogan Agora
[17:22] <daftykins> the what...
[17:22] <bigcalm> ;)
[17:22] <daftykins> screw the Kogan Agora, HP touchpad \o/
[17:22] <bigcalm> :P
[17:22] <daftykins> =]
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> I want Google and Samsung to hurry up with the new Nexus
[17:22] <daftykins> though i'm not touching the alpha for now :)
[17:22] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahahahaha CM have probably never heard of it ;)
[17:22] <bigcalm> Sensible
[17:22] <daftykins> i enjoy good battery life on my devices
[17:23] <bigcalm> davmor2: oh hush now :P
[17:23] <daftykins> and i'm not a big fan of doing things repeatedly
[17:23] <bigcalm> The Kogan tablet is a rebranded product. So there are lots of devices that will have the same hardware
[17:24] <daftykins> bigcalm: just buy one and send it to a CM dev
[17:24] <daftykins> problem sorted \o/
[17:24] <bigcalm> daftykins: Not _that_ bothered :)
[17:24] <daftykins> oh WELL
[17:25] <daftykins> NOW you say
[17:25] <bigcalm> I know it's being worked upon. But I've lost track of where things are
[17:25] <daftykins> ah
[17:25] <bigcalm> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14737322
[17:26] <daftykins> yeah found that just now
[17:26] <daftykins> seems CM don't really care 'til XDA finish
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> sounds reasonable
[17:27] <bigcalm> Indeed
[17:32] <daftykins> oh so it has android already
[17:32] <daftykins> ok well that's far less of a priority than the HP Touchpad ;)
[17:33] <bigcalm> Yes, but doesn't work well
[17:33] <bigcalm> Bah
[17:47] <brobostigon> get-iplayer --nopurge --get 89     ,brazil :)
[17:48] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: :)
[17:49]  * MartijnVdS goes to watch some other TV first
[17:53] <Monsterwizard> boob
[18:00] <bigcalm> Odd
[18:01] <scoundrel50a> how do I know if I have the correct kernel for 11.10. I didnt get the upgrade button....and it keeps telling me that there is no upgrade available
[18:01] <scoundrel50a> been updating every day, via the terminal
[18:07] <emorris> scoundrel50a, uname -r # should be 3.0.0-12
[18:08] <DJones> scoundrel50a: What version of ubuntu did you have prior to the upgrade?
[18:09] <scoundrel50a> it was the beta version, I did sudo apt-get dist-upgrade this morning, really early, and since then it tells me there are no upgrades.
[18:10] <DJones> Over the last few days, there have been very few updates because they were finalising the images
[18:10] <scoundrel50a> It seems I am up to date, with out a huge upgrade, it says after that command I have 3.0.0-12-generic
[18:10] <DJones> That sounds about right
[18:11] <scoundrel50a> That is good news I was dreading a huge upgrade
[18:11] <scoundrel50a> brilliant
[18:11] <scoundrel50a> thank you
[18:11] <smittix> are the mirrors getting hammered or what?
[18:11] <smittix> trying to update a natty box and getting nowhere
[18:13] <DJones> I would expecr they're being hammered at the minute, you could change to a different repo and try with that
[18:15] <scoundrel50a> I got the Tomboy Synch working as well, it was a simple as removing the / at the end of the url
[18:15] <jacobw> smittix: have you got many extra packages on this natty box?
[18:16] <smittix> quite a few.
[18:16] <smittix> im begining to think its my connection now
[18:22] <DJones> I'm just trying to get on the lubuntu site, but that must be overloaded
[18:32] <ali1234> how do i make virtualbox host networking work?
[18:32] <ali1234> it says there are no drivers
[18:42] <ali1234> answer: vboxmanage hostonlyif create
[18:43] <daftykins> main prog didn't install those bits? how poo
[18:44] <ali1234> they are installed but not enabled
[18:44] <ali1234> you don't need it for 99% of the time
[18:50] <daftykins> hmm
[18:52] <Azelphur> ali1234: any idea how to get USB in virtualbox on 11.10?
[18:53] <ali1234> sure
[18:53] <ali1234> just add yourself to the group permissions
[18:53] <ali1234> same as always
[18:53] <Azelphur> what group is it again?
[18:55] <Azelphur> found it, ty :p
[18:59] <AlanBell> hello from the party
[19:00] <Azelphur> hello from the home
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> haha @ BBC 4
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> Jo Brand about crying on TV
[19:01] <davmor2> AlanBell: Say hello to everyone for me,  give czajkowski a hug and say hello to Michelle popey and evan_d
[19:01] <awilkins> How many people in Leeds?
[19:01] <awilkins> (at party)
[19:24] <smittix> Hello party people!
[19:28] <bigcalm> Laptop has just finished upgrading and rebooted. Looks nice. Opening any folder shows the archive manager which complains about not being able to handle it. Dropbox doesn't work anymore.
[19:28] <bigcalm> More fun after tea I think
[19:34] <smittix> bigcalm: having weird internet connection problems here
[19:43] <smittix> getting a lovely 33.4 kb/s upgrading another natty install
[19:43] <smittix> heh
[19:54] <StevenR> hmmph. Can't download release notes.
[19:54] <StevenR> :(
[19:55] <GirlyGirl> Bye
[19:59] <bigcalm> StevenR: try changing the software source
[19:59] <bigcalm> You may have the GB mirror selected, try the main Ubuntu server
[20:06] <bigcalm> Drumming fingers, waiting for Dropbox to sort itself out
[20:06] <bigcalm> I don't think it's going to happen
[20:07] <bigcalm> The sidebar is not showing when I move my mouse to the left hand side of the screen. I have to press the super key to access things
[20:16] <addicted2ramen> hello....again
[20:17] <addicted2ramen> .............
[20:23] <bigcalm> Hi
[20:23] <bigcalm> Oh, I missed :)
[20:26]  * smittix gives up
[20:26] <smittix> Ill update tomorrow lol
[20:26] <smittix> 40 minutes to install vlc :(
[20:26] <bigcalm> Are you doing a fresh install?
[20:27] <smittix> yeah
[20:27] <bigcalm> It's not really surprising that installs will take a long time tonight :)
[20:27] <smittix> heh
[20:40] <bigcalm> Turns out the dropbox updater was trying to do system stuff without asking for permission 1st. So it failed every time
[20:41] <bigcalm> "sudo dropbox update" worked from the command line
[20:41] <bigcalm> smittix: ping
[20:49] <bigcalm> How might I have more than 4 workspaces in Unity?
[20:50] <mgdm> so, Oneric has removed GNOME classic, correct?
[20:50] <smittix> bigcalm: does compizconfig-settings-manager have the option to add more workspaces?
[20:50] <bigcalm> mgdm: yes
[20:51] <bigcalm> compizconfig-settings-manager: command not found
[20:51] <smittix> install it :)
[20:51] <mgdm> bigcalm: byebye Ubuntu, then
[20:51] <bigcalm> Heh
[20:51] <smittix> it will take 3 hours to download though
[20:51] <bigcalm> mgdm: try xfce?
[20:51] <smittix> mgdm: :( not a Unity fan then?
[20:51] <mgdm> smittix: oh heck no
[20:52] <emorris> mgdm, if you install gnome-panel, you get the Ubuntu Classic options back
[20:52] <mgdm> bigcalm: actually if I can get LXDE I might stick with it
[20:52] <mgdm> emorris: Oh?
[20:52] <smittix> mgdm: KDE?
[20:52] <mgdm> i *detest* Unity, it's unusable for me
[20:52] <mgdm> smittix: not a huge fan of that
[20:52] <emorris> mgdm, yeah it installs some fallback package
[20:52] <mgdm> emorris: interesting
[20:53] <mgdm> either that or I use this Mac as my main machine
[20:53] <mgdm> which i'd rather not
[20:54] <mgdm> (I am no longer interested in the politics of free software/OSS - RMS has put paid to that)
[20:54] <mgdm> I don't want to be associated with a movement with him at the head of it
[20:55] <emorris> FOSS OTTness annoys me
[20:55] <bigcalm> I won't be updating my workstation any time soon as Unity won't be able to cope with 3 screens
[20:55] <bigcalm> Just about works so far on my laptop though
[20:56] <mgdm> bigcalm: does it cope with 2?
[20:56] <bigcalm> Un-maximising everything is a good start
[20:56] <bigcalm> mgdm: the version on 11.04 didn't do what I needed
[20:57] <bigcalm> mgdm: I'm slightly unusual in that I have my central screen (2nd) rotated 90deg. So no defaults will ever work for me :)
[20:58] <mgdm> bigcalm: heh
[20:58] <bigcalm> I _have_ to have my workstation working. So testing the waters on my laptop
[20:58] <bigcalm> Wonder how the eeeeeeeepc 1000 would do with 11.10
[20:59] <smittix> i dont like it how the appearance menu has gone
[20:59] <smittix> so changing font sizes and themes is more of a pain
[20:59] <mgdm> Can I install GNOME 3's shell on Ubuntu?
[20:59] <bigcalm> You have to search for everything now
[20:59] <bigcalm> Yes, it'll work propperly with 11.10
[20:59] <mgdm> If I can do that, I might be able to tolerate it
[20:59] <smittix> i installed gnome-tweak-tool to just change the fonts :/
[20:59] <bigcalm> Will have a look at Gnome 3 in a bit
[21:10] <Andres-kain> so what is the waiting period for me to recomend upgrade?
[21:12] <Andres-kain> as in my non-techie sisterinlaw?
[21:13] <bigcalm> A month +
[21:14] <Andres-kain> wow.
[21:16] <Andres-kain> i have had people say from 1 week to wait for 12.04
[21:18] <bigcalm> Humm
[21:18] <bigcalm> Do you want stability?
[21:21] <Myrtti> dumdidum
[21:38] <Andres-kain> bigcalm i guess the basic things really. for a user that uses firefox and little more
[21:41] <bigcalm> Then upgrade whenever you want. Consider that you'll be providing the support though :)
[21:44] <Andres-kain> i'll need to upgrade my machine as well. just to know where things are.
[21:52] <jacobw> i think i prefer unity in natty :s
[21:57] <zleap> it will be nice when the ubuntu manual is updated (if ever) so new and i mean new users have a good reference for how to use stuff
[21:59] <bigcalm> Would be good if that were to happen in time for the 12.04 LTS
[21:59] <zleap> yes
[21:59] <zleap> but the manual needs to be ready ideally before
[21:59] <bigcalm> zleap: nice of you to volunteer ;)
[22:00] <zleap> hmm,  i can contribute something, butdon't really know enough LaTeX
[22:00] <bigcalm> I know diddly squat
[22:01] <zleap> i use lyx,  whichis not that helpful really, not for this,
[22:03] <jacobw> why not?
[22:03] <zleap> its using texlive
[22:04] <zleap> so i need to use pure latex by the looks of it,
[22:04] <zleap> ok so i need to find my ubuntu lauchpad password
[22:10] <dutchie> zleap: i'm sure that they will be happy to have anyone contributing anything, even just plain text
[22:11] <dutchie> there are plenty of latex experts in the project who will mark it up afterwards
[22:11] <zleap> yeah
[22:11] <zleap> so would i need to have 12.04 beta then
[22:12] <dutchie> a vm would do
[22:13] <zleap> i can't even login to lauchpad can't find my password and its bound to my old e-mail address
[22:13] <Myrtti> LaTeX ♥
[22:14] <Myrtti> just rewrote a five page rental agreement with it
[22:14] <zleap> cool
[22:20] <zleap> ok just strugglingto create a new account,  stupid captcha thing is really hard to read
[23:24] <AlanBell> yay, home
[23:25] <AlanBell> anyone go to the Leeds party?
[23:25] <AlanBell> London was great fun
[23:30] <funkyHat> wheeee
[23:30]  * funkyHat prods BigRedS 
[23:32] <AlanBell> o/ funkyhat
[23:33] <funkyHat> ô/ AlanBell
[23:38] <bigcalm> Apart from alt-tabbing and number of workspaces, 11.10 seems to work ok on my laptop so far
[23:46] <emorris> kind of glad I didn't go to the Leeds one
[23:46] <emorris> 3 ppl asked about it and no-one replied...