[00:00] see i really wanted to get back 9.10 but when i try to burn it to disk it comes up with errors [00:00] what spec is your computer? [00:01] its old real old its got 256mb ram 120gb hdd and a pentium 3 [00:01] im in the middle of upgrading [00:01] crikey [00:01] give up! [00:01] i know [00:01] but see when i was running 9.10 it was running fine [00:02] really, get one on ebay for £20 for a much better spec! [00:02] cant i try download it from somewhere and instal ontop of 11.04 [00:03] the downloads are fine, you can use md5sum to check them [00:03] night all o/ [00:04] ok ill try that ive got a cupboard full of good pc's and laptops but its like a computer graveyard in there and it will take me forever to find all the components but ill try what you said thanks [00:04] do a cli and add lxde [00:04] cli install* [00:04] whats lxde [00:05] erm [00:05] lol [00:05] is lubuntu alive? [00:05] oh ok and where can i obtain this [00:05] maybe a better place to start, but I'd want someone who knows for sure to confirm it is good [00:05] ok [00:06] before recommending it fully to you [00:06] :) [00:06] I have a 1.2ghz p3 with 512mb ram [00:06] runs well on lxde.... [00:07] but it will still slow down with the heavyweight apps [00:07] right [00:08] alan is probably right though [00:08] :) [00:08] * hamitron just doesn't like throwing out old hardware [00:08] see im quite new to ubuntu do i obtain these files from my terminal? [00:09] well, I normally install it all from the command line.... but [00:09] but there is a version of ubuntu that uses lxde by default [00:09] !lubuntu [00:09] lubuntu is a project to create a derivative of Ubuntu using the LXDE desktop environment. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu . /join #lubuntu for lubuntu support. [00:10] that page is a good place to start [00:11] thanks hamitron [00:11] good luck [00:11] :) === ali12341 is now known as ali1234 === RichTUK is now known as RichieTUK === RichieTUK is now known as RichTUK [01:21] [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu 11.10 and London Release Party - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/13/ubuntu-11-10-and-london-release-party/ [01:37] Hey! [01:37] anyone here? === hannibal is now known as Guest14475 [01:37] the...? [01:38] Ok, then! I'm a guest now, so treat me well! :-) [01:38] guise, I need some help... [01:40] !!! [01:41] And, I guess this could be one of the many reasons why Linux holds onle 1% of the market share... Support is almost null sometimes!!! [01:44] eugh, itunes copying to an iphone is soooooooooo slowwwwwwwwwwwwww [01:44] upgrading to ios5 means copying my library over again [01:44] 351/2482 :/ [01:45] uff .. appears dennis ritchie died :/ now that's a legacy [01:52] wow [01:56] 1% what... get some more patients and do some more studying === ax_ is now known as asgw [03:20] Can I re-install with apt the LAMP stack - what command would I use? Me a noob -sorry [05:07] hi [06:38] Aloha [06:40] morning [06:40] 02:41 < Guest14475> And, I guess this could be one of the many reasons why Linux holds onle 1% of the market share... Support is almost null sometimes!!! [06:41] Morning [06:41] yes, 02:41 would indeed be one of those times [06:41] * daubers cooks up bacon and eggs for breakfast [06:43] sunny side up for me [06:46] Also, it's cold :( [06:46] Coming back to this from temperatures in the 38's is a bit o a shock [06:49] Morning all/ [06:50] howdy TheOpenSourcerer [06:50] ooops who put / next to === AlanBell changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting 20th October 21:00 UK time #ubuntu-uk-meeting | Ubuntu 11.10 Release Day \o/ [07:21] Another 10 hours to wait for 11.10 :/ [07:24] 10 hours? [07:24] oh got ya :D [07:26] what? There's a set time for it this time? [07:26] according to thisisthecountdown.com :) [07:26] ah yeah. somehow I'd forgotten about that [07:27] * BigRedS blames an absence of coffee [07:27] heh [07:27] * MooDoo drinks his costa :) :p [07:29] * smittix drinks his 20p crap cup of coffee from the vending machine :/ [07:30] i needed proper coffee, in for a crap day today [07:34] smittix: it will be released before 7PM I should think [07:34] smittix: can't you just download the beta and then upgrade? [07:35] or the daily and have less to upgrade [07:35] or just upgrade on sunday when the mirrors wont all be on their knees === GirlyGirl is now known as Alysha [07:36] * BigRedS is a debian user. I don't really get release dates. === Alysha is now known as GirlyGIrl [07:38] * TheOpenSourcerer will probably be holding off for a while... [07:39] Yeah, I suppose. [07:40] * smittix prods popey - Any news on the Ubuntu-Users list vacancy? [07:42] wait. Ritchie's dead? That's not supposed to happen [07:43] People die all the time [07:43] And people can die at *anytime* too. [07:43] yeah, but he's init. Everyone else is supposed to be killed of first. [07:45] * AlanBell is having a low brainpower day [07:45] That said, I've no idea what he's been doing since the 70s. I've just been quite fond of this state where almost everyone who was involved in the invention of modern computing is still alive [07:45] not trying to install compiz on a client's server again? [07:45] just microwaved a cup of coffee that I had forgotten about and whilst waiting for it to warm up I absent mindedly made myself a cup of coffee [07:45] lol [07:46] haha [07:47] HEH [07:51] AlanBell: doh! [07:51] heh, Put that mac on swapz.co.uk - Been offered cars, motorcycles, guitars . Everything but a bloody laptop! [07:51] smittix: what you got? [07:51] Even though the ad states "I'd be interested in swapping for a laptop only" [07:51] Its a Mac Pro Quad Core 2.66 [07:52] nice. [07:52] Dual Dual Core Processor's [07:52] Trying to get rid of it without putting it on ebay. [07:52] if my dell was working properly i would probably have been up for that [07:53] My current laptop is playing up so want something else, and I dont have the room fori t. [07:53] smittix: my cd rom is knackard although i've got a external, and there are dead pixels on screen lol [07:53] heh [07:54] smittix: thank goodness for 4gb and a ssd :) [07:54] :) [08:00] very lol: https://twitter.com/opensourcerer/status/124394040899801088 [08:01] Ouch [08:01] lol [08:06] Anyone know what Lenovo T400's are like? [08:07] that's the big thinkpad isn't it? [08:07] Yeah [08:08] my diddy one (x201) is awesome. [08:08] in fact, all my thinkpads have been good :) [08:08] but this is my first lenovo one and it seems as good as the ibm ones [08:10] I have always liked them but Havent used one for years. [08:11] It feels a tad cheaper than the old IBM ones, but it's lived up pretty well to my, er, less-than-careful ownership of it [08:12] heh [08:17] hi guys what time is 11.10 out? [08:17] tim__: some time today. join #ubuntu-release-party [08:18] Every time you ask, it's delayed another minute. [08:19] 11.10 is out today? whoah, somehow thought it was later in the month [08:20] comes out pretty soon mate [08:23] aloha [08:25] g'morning! [08:37] howdy all [08:37] morning all [08:37] anyone having issues logging into the wiki? [08:38] ahoy hoy savaloys! [08:38] i really need to start answering my phone with "ahoy hoy" [08:41] is it out yet? [08:42] hehe [08:42] I was gonna type the same thing :p [08:42] anyone else got no internal speaker sound with oneiric? [08:43] like the speaker that goes beep? i lost that several releases back [08:43] i mean at all [08:43] blimey, how about this. It's released when it's released.....sigh lol [08:43] i only get sound via headphones [08:44] all my laptop speakers work fine [08:44] and desktop [08:44] just not the one that goes beep [08:44] gord its out in 9 hours or so, there is a countdown clock at http://thisisthecountdown.com/ [08:45] hehe 9 hours or so [08:45] any thunderbird users managed to get the ubuntu notifications working since v6? [08:45] replace 9 with $rand [08:45] Good morning peeps [08:46] oimon, you have thunderbird-globalmenu installed? i *think* then notifications are piggybacked on to that [08:46] gord: i'm on lucid [08:46] oimon, ah... [08:46] gord, in "sound settings", in the output tab, which devices are in the connector pulldown menu? [08:47] there's a thunderbird plugin for ubuntu notifications, but seems to have stopped working on later versions [08:47] directhex, analogue, but i have a bunch of devices so its different for different ones [08:53] Happy Release Day, everyone! [08:53] popey: get all your issues resolved? [08:54] Is it out yet? [08:54] Is that a defrag image? [08:55] heh [08:55] bigcalm: not out yet [08:55] 7pmish then [08:55] Morning all [08:55] bigcalm: yup [08:56] Wondering if any one can point me in direction of performance issues with *linux in general testing [08:56] IE we have got a lot more powerful server yet it's running things slower, want to pick out if it;s a hardware fault or software I guess [08:57] Old server running a report takes 20 secs with 200+ users, new server with 0 users takes 52 secs [08:57] hdparm is similar output [09:02] Morning all [09:02] czajkowski: no [09:02] morning popey [09:03] diplo: have you tried using bonnie to check I/O speed? [09:03] popey: bugger [09:03] Nope, not heard of bonnie, I'll investigate now. Been using IOStat and seen nada there [09:03] popey: poked folks in -desktop wwith the bugs ? [09:03] not yet [09:03] they are aware of them [09:04] cool [09:04] I think it'#s good [09:04] but thre does seem to be too many niggle bugs still lurking [09:05] yeah [09:05] popey: one last night for example [09:05] morning andylockran [09:05] morning popey [09:05] * popey wonders what free stuff andylockran got for his blatant advertising blog post [09:05] andylockran, popey morning [09:05] I think that's the big downside to a fixed date release [09:05] it should/could happen any time in october for 11 [09:06] fixing it to a date not sure is actually working [09:07] i get less excited by ubuntu releases each year. i don't know if that's because i've tested the beta for months already, or that releases have been less momentous in terms of features since 10.04? [09:07] czajkowski: I understand why there's a date there - but I'm not sure if there's too much focus on 'new features' [09:07] i.e. LTS releases should be the rock solid stable ones [09:08] these 6 monthly releases should be considered beta of LTS releases imho [09:10] the next LTS won't have anything like gnome classic though :-\ [09:10] oimon: xfce :P [09:10] xfc-ugly [09:10] lxde? [09:11] quite nice, although feels more kde3 to me [09:11] for average corporate users on 10.04 , the 12.04 will be a struggle [09:11] eww [09:11] oimon: I'm ok with the lack of classic I like unity [09:11] oimon: not more than WinXP->Win7 [09:12] i have many users on kde3 still [09:12] centos5.x [09:12] they've been using it for 10 years [09:12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIrhVo1WA78 [09:12] oimon: ^ [09:12] persists through a reboot. sigh [09:14] MartijnVdS: in the related videos, there seems to be a whole meme of for 10 minutes [09:14] watch nelson "ha ha" for 10 minutes [09:15] aww, krename is broken in oneiric, i'm going to have to use actual bash :( [09:16] seems that bug i filed last night is well know by design and unity [09:17] alt-tab? [09:17] bug 873082 [09:17] Launchpad bug 873082 in unity (Ubuntu) "ALT+Tab doesn't switch between two most recent windows" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873082 [09:17] and _is_ current desired behaviour [09:17] according to bug 861250 [09:17] Launchpad bug 861250 in unity (Ubuntu) "alt-tab - quick alt + tab (before the switcher shows) not consistent" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861250 [09:18] popey, get people to hit the also affects me button, i hate it too :) [09:18] should I mark my bug as a dupe do you think? [09:19] but popey, why would you ever want more than one terminal windows :P [09:20] don't find bugs on the day of release!! [09:20] it doesnt just affect terminal windows [09:20] oh, i'm good then [09:20] it affects any app that is multi-window [09:20] marking as a dupe seems sensible [09:20] seems like the same issue [09:21] popey: I just checked in Gnome-shell, the behaviour seems the same [09:21] however, I heard there was a lot of noise about it so there is a G-S extension to go back to the old-fashioned behaviour [09:21] [Jono Bacon] Join The Online Ubuntu Release Party - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/13/join-the-online-ubuntu-release-party/ [09:21] [Andy Loughran] Guest Bloggers - http://zrmt.com/2011/10/13/guest-bloggers/ === kazade_ is now known as kazade [09:21] Oh. Oh. I assumed that was just [09:21] kazade: its properly mental [09:22] ah, so my keypresses *are* getting to the server. Just about forty minutes later... [09:22] When is the 11.10 release date? [09:22] good morning everyone, [09:22] today [09:22] today? Oh, that was good timing then. I was just wondering about this earlier [09:23] About 7pm tonight [09:23] ok [09:27] 7pm is too far away I want it now [09:27] * MooDoo is predicting 43 people ask when is the release date, any one for their guess. [09:27] constrictor: i'm sure you can get the RC now [09:27] and apt-get update later [09:28] about 4pm today as drinks start from 5/6 onwards [09:29] already did that with my personal laptop (xubuntu) [09:29] it's perfect [09:30] does xubuntu come with ubuntu one integration etc? [09:31] MooDoo: as we can't bet on the release time, this is the alternative? [09:31] oimon, depends what applications you use in it. if you install the u1 daemon, then ~/Ubuntu One will be synchronized - however you won't be able to set more folders to synchronize unless you use nautilus [09:31] bigcalm: sorry i'm just grumpy and wonder how many more impatient people will ask :D [09:32] is it out yet? [09:32] !topic [09:32] Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic [09:32] Didn't think there was a RC of 11.10 [09:32] i miss audio :( [09:32] how would you do a release without a release candidate? [09:33] I can't find the RC [09:33] oimon, no xubuntu doesn't I didn't use that much anyway [09:33] MooDoo: the whole the-more-you-ask-the-more-it's-delayed thing should really be implemented [09:33] i think the oneconf stuff can be a killer feature for ubuntu [09:34] BigRedS: hear hear :) [09:34] BigRedS: I'm tempted to do that with my clients ;) [09:34] what is oneconf? [09:34] BigRedS: try asking in #ubuntu-release-party [09:35] bigcalm, problem is, we would actually like to release some time this year ;) [09:35] BigRedS* ^ [09:35] stop having similar nicks you two >:( [09:35] Bwuhahaha [09:35] nymwar: using ubuntu one to store configs and application settings to make it easier to use multiple machine and perform super easy reinstalls and upgrades [09:35] ah [09:35] it's a work in progress [09:36] Is it out yet? [09:36] What about now? [09:36] Ok, Now? [09:36] release the hounds on smittix [09:36] That would have taken it back 3 hours [09:36] * AlanBell kicks smittix to #ubuntu-release-party [09:36] heh [09:39] did that ARG finish? [09:45] AlanBell: can't you just kick hom? [09:45] s/him [09:50] <_serial_> hi all, do you guys know when the iso's will be release for 11.10? [09:50] <_serial_> released* [09:50] UUPC mentioned about chromium being old and the update manager wants to bring it up to date [09:51] _serial_: no, but feel free to join #ubuntu-release party and ask there [09:51] Feel the power of the podcast [09:51] <_serial_> thank you AlanBell [09:51] _serial_: join #ubuntu-release-party even [09:52] MooDoo: Thats not nice :P [09:52] smittix: what isn't? [09:52] asking alan to kick me heh [09:58] smittix: ah i'm in one of those moods, feel free to poke me at will :) [09:58] smittix like this czajkowski *POKE* :) [10:00] >:( [10:00] czajkowski: well seeing as davmor2 wasn't here, it's my job to fill in :) [10:00] yeah where is that little you know whatits [10:01] czajkowski: just logged in by the look of it......now we can harras you more :) [10:01] AlanBell: what time you heading into town? [10:01] after the school run [10:01] czajkowski: prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, prod [10:01] morning all [10:01] * czajkowski kicks davmor2 I suggest you behave [10:02] czajkowski: are you in a stressed mood? [10:02] morning GirlyGIrl :D [10:02] 5pm train maybe, have to grab an offspring from a netball match [10:02] czajkowski: Ha! not gonna happen [10:03] MooDoo: nope [10:04] MooDoo: Hi [10:04] GirlyGIrl: are you well? [10:05] MooDoo: Ehy such a question? [10:05] gord: friggin app launcher suck in oneiric and I blame you personally for it ;) [10:05] GirlyGIrl: because we're a friendly bunch? :-) [10:05] GirlyGIrl: just being friendly and nosey and making conversation [10:05] etherpadlite opens new notes, but hangs at "loading..." for existing notes - any ideas? [10:06] MooDoo: Fine then :d [10:07] * MooDoo makes a mental note, totally ignore any one that joins the channel as he doesn't like the spanish inquisition [moodoo waits to see if anyone will say say it] [10:07] gord: I have thunderbird and xchat maximised and now the launcher won't show at all [10:07] MooDoo: that didn't make any sense [10:07] gord: I have to hit the windows button to open/swap apps :( [10:08] kirrus: i said spanish inquisition, wondered if anyone would comment [ala monty python] [10:08] davmor2, yeah its known [10:09] gord: :( [10:09] not a happy bunny [10:09] restarting compiz should help [10:10] MooDoo: ahh, never seen monty python.. [10:10] gord: yeah but I should have too ;) [10:10] kirrus: what!? [10:10] Oh, hang on, I recall being astounded at that before [10:11] Spooky convo. [10:12] BigRedS: I'll watch your youtube video link after you've seen the fifth element. [10:12] not seen monty python??? disgraceful [10:12] :D [10:12] davmor2: when you said that somebody had never seen MP, I found it hard to believe [10:12] kirrus: get off this channel and don't return till you know it word for word [10:12] popey: really not enjoying the alt-tab behavior now [10:13] davmor2: bring out your dead :D [10:14] MooDoo: He's not the massiah, he's a very naughty boy [10:14] davmor2: the snippets I've seen made me cringe [10:14] cringe? [10:14] kirrus: don't watch snippet watch the whole film [10:14] and all of them [10:14] and most of the series [10:14] I don't like the humor. [10:14] twice [10:15] I've never watched a whole Mp film [10:15] kirrus: it's humour :) [10:16] BigRedS: which doesn't mesh with my sense of humor [10:16] * kirrus knows he's odd [10:16] no, your sense of humour [10:16] kirrus: Stone him, are there any Ladies here? [10:16] you're talk to MooDoo and davmor2 and they're pretty odd [10:16] so you're ok [10:16] Woo! \o/ [10:17] czajkowski: bugger off [10:17] MooDoo: Language timothy [10:17] davmor2: yea sorry [10:18] MooDoo: we are pretty and odd to be fair take it as a compliment that czajkowski thinks you're pretty [10:18] heh [10:19] davmor2: czajkowski knows i'm pretty, i mean just look at all my facebook images :) [10:19] czajkowski: we do seem to have a similar taste in humour oh hang along with pretty much the entire channel so that makes us all odd in your book :P [10:21] * czajkowski sends MooDoo and davmor2 to the naughtystep to stop talking for 10 mins [10:22] czajkowski: hahahahahaaha we talk all we want on the naughtystep [10:22] czajkowski: do you really think that'll work? [10:22] davmor2: czajkowski is an oasis of sanity in the desert of buffonery and tomfoolery [10:22] * AlanBell doesn't really believe that [10:23] AlanBell: careful you are at the release party tonight and she has a memory [10:23] feel free to join us on #naughtystep :) [10:23] yay, my openerp module loads without crashing [10:23] now to make it do something [10:23] AlanBell: good! me-too the bug please [10:23] popey: did already [10:23] popey: me too [10:24] popey: what bug? [10:25] There are no bugs? [10:27] bug 873082 [10:27] Launchpad bug 873082 in unity (Ubuntu) "ALT+Tab doesn't switch between two most recent windows" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873082 [10:28] bugs? on release day? surely not [10:29] but unity is PERFECT [10:29] it doesn't have ANY bugs [10:29] Everything it does, it does by design! [10:30] which is why the bug is against ayatana design as well :) [10:31] MartijnVdS: it's amusing how much of it could plausibly just be down to a drunk design team [10:31] alt tabbig is slow for me in 2D and 3d [10:31] really really anoying [10:32] it takes an age for the default display of applications to pop up [10:32] drives me insane [10:32] install fedora [10:32] * MooDoo ducks and runs [10:32] Mmmm, crispy duck [10:34] czajkowski, that.. is by design [10:34] basically because if you are alt tabbing about between things, you don't want the windows [10:34] huh? [10:34] * smittix trips MooDoo up [10:34] and on the non-unity switchers it is a configurable delay [10:34] smittix: rats foiled again [10:34] * BigRedS *does* want the windows [10:35] and really there is little point in the delay when quick alt-tabbing doesn't generally do something predictable anyway [10:35] AlanBell: so I wonder what magic thisisthecountdown.com holds for us today [10:37] AlanBell: exactly. When I select that icon which represents six or seven different windows, it'd be nice to have some idea of which desktop I'm going to be transported to, even if I can't affect what unity decides to do there [10:37] oh the worlds longest barcode genius [10:38] davmor2: it is a qr code [10:38] AlanBell: oh no it isn't, well it's not one that my phone recognises at any rate [10:39] davmor2: you have to chop it up on the red lines, reassemble it and reverse it [10:39] Haha [10:39] * bigcalm gets to work [10:40] what happens at 7pm? [10:40] AlanBell: NO time for such frivolities [10:40] Laney: ubuntu release [10:41] MooDoo: Release Party more like [10:41] davmor2: can't go :( [10:41] i will be enbeered by then [10:42] MooDoo: nor me, I got way too much to do that requires more than the 2 laptops I could take to London [10:42] davmor2: rosie is just too young for me to get a pass out just yet [10:42] MooDoo: You love it you know you do [10:44] davmor2: yes i do, but meeting you lot would be nice too :) [10:44] haha [10:44] MooDoo: shame you don't work from Home you could of come to the Home Workers Anonymous on the 17th of nov [10:45] well you davmor2 not czajkowski :) [10:45] MooDoo: that's only cause you'd have to put your hand in your pocket for that pint you still owe her :P [10:48]