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Juzzyyo sed works fine02:08
Juzzyuse single quotes02:08
Juzzy# echo hi/there/pimp/ | sed 's/\//?/g'02:09
Juzzyhi?there?pimp?02:09
Juzzyand you dont escape the substitutions02:10
Juzzya little cleaner:02:10
Juzzy# echo hi/there/pimp/ | sed 's#/#?#g'02:10
Juzzyhi?there?pimp?02:10
binarymutantthanks02:19
binarymutanthttp://www.osnews.com/story/25232/Dennis_Ritchie_Creator_of_UNIX_and_C_Dead_at_7002:28
chris4585well I believe I screwed my computer once again lol02:57
wrstchris4585: what happened?02:59
cyberangerchris4585: was it intentional03:01
chris4585cyberanger, no lol03:03
chris4585well it just suddenly started to shut off by itself again after I changed the PSUs03:03
chris4585now thats my secondary issue..03:03
chris4585a few hours ago my onboard video (vga) was working fine03:04
chris4585now.. I don't have any signal from it03:04
chris4585I have a pci-e card and could use it if I could see the bios.. which I can't :/03:04
chris4585so I'm in a pickle03:04
cyberangerouch, need the bios to enable it don't you?03:05
cyberangerit's not one that autodetects some events like a new graphics card, or blown chip03:06
chris4585yeah and I can't see it03:07
chris4585I can guess the layout as best I can, but it appears something is different..03:07
chris4585no I had to manually switch to my pci-e card when I put it in before03:07
chris4585I believe I'm SOL03:08
wrst:(03:11
cyberangerchris4585: just on a mobo, any way you could have shorted it (even just the graphics chip on it or some other peice) as you dealt with the PSU03:11
chris4585it could have possibly shorted something after all the times its randomly shutoff03:12
cyberangeras part of a power issue on the PSU, plus you swapping them, sounds like a good canidate03:13
cyberangeronly a mobo though, could be worse03:13
chris4585I believe I'm gonna switch the power source once more...03:13
chris4585I'm pro at this now lol03:14
chris4585the good news is it appears (not tested) to not shutting off now..03:14
* cyberanger grabs something handy in case we see an eletrical fire in say 20 seconds03:16
* cyberanger throws the bucket of water on chris458503:16
chris4585lol I don't think I will..03:17
cyberangerwait a minute, this was for a brush fire, sorry chris458503:18
* cyberanger hands chris4585 a towel03:18
wrstchris4585: i have one right now I'm working on i thought it was a psu i should have checked it but turned out to be a MB03:18
cyberangerwrst: and one can get one problem to cause another03:20
wrstyes it can, I suspect that could ahve been the issue here haven't gotten the MB yet03:21
cyberangerwell, careful if the PSU is toast, you don't fry two boards03:24
wrsti have a new psu03:24
wrstbut it would fire up run for just a little then shut off03:24
cyberangerouch03:25
wrstyeah so that's not good for things :)03:25
chris4585wrst, yeah the motherboard right now I think is basically fried :/03:25
wrstoh and cyberanger my main server will be running debian if i have to do anything major to it again03:26
chris4585wrst, yes thats what would be happening to me...03:26
chris4585the power supplies I think are fine03:26
wrstyeah i think so03:27
chris4585so I'm pretty sure the onboard vga connector? is fried or shorted, for a few weeks when I turned on my computer I would see this weird faint lines on my screen and now this :/03:28
chris4585you guys think I should look into buying another mobo and replacing the current one?03:28
wrsti'm thinking so but i would yield to cyberanger as I'm not having any luck either :)03:29
chris4585well tomorrow I'm gonna pay a visit to someone who has a lot of experience with fixing computers03:29
binarymutantchris4585: you try a video card?03:30
cyberangerbinarymutant: he can't get at the bios to enable it03:30
binarymutantwhy not?03:30
cyberangervga seems fried03:31
cyberangeror possibly onboard03:31
chris4585correct03:31
binarymutantpnp03:31
cyberangerjist is, his problem is interferring with getting to the bios to enable the pci-e card03:31
chris4585binarymutant, I have 2 I could try but I can't get into the bios and see the configuration03:31
binarymutantshould be plug n play03:32
chris4585I had to manually switch to pci-e before03:32
cyberangereithr his board is fried entirely, or plug and play isn't working as it should03:32
cyberangeror the board is older than pnp (as mine is for pci-e)03:32
binarymutantpnp is like mid 90's03:32
binarymutantthat's def. a pickle03:32
chris4585when i turn my computer on both fans (ontop of the cpu and on the back) turn on, no beeps and no video signal03:33
chris4585same thing with two psu's03:33
binarymutantit's your vga for sure03:33
chris4585anyway I can get this repaired without buying another mobo?03:34
binarymutantor monitor, try switching monitors. If that doesn't work than it's the video card03:34
chris4585no, I've tried two monitors, my main one works fine03:34
binarymutantchris4585: no one will do onboard video replacement except the manufact.03:34
cyberangerchris4585: and quite honestly, not worth it in most cases03:35
chris4585ah ok03:35
cyberangerbinarymutant: mine is early pci-e03:35
chris4585so I am SOL, buy another mobo basically?03:35
cyberanger2004, won't do it03:35
binarymutantputting in the card doesn't work?03:35
chris4585nope03:35
chris4585anyway I could flash my bios or update it without visually seeing the screen? lol03:36
binarymutantwhat motherboard is this? OEM should have the bios set to card, then onboard03:36
chris4585that would be lovely03:36
chris4585this is the computer binarymutant http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1688310736303:36
chris4585got it in 2007 I think03:37
binarymutantthat's too good of a pc to trash03:37
chris4585yeah03:37
chris4585lets just say I'm determined to get this thing fixed03:38
binarymutantflash it: http://www.jetway.com.tw/evisn/download/bios/Awdflash.exe03:38
binarymutantgood luck, don't brick it :D03:38
chris4585I even tried navigating the bios without visually seeing it and changing settings but didn't do anything03:38
chris4585D:03:39
chris4585I've never flashed anything, what would that do exactly?03:39
binarymutantwait idk if you can without seeing it...03:40
binarymutantthat's a pickle03:40
chris4585yep03:40
binarymutanterrm03:42
binarymutantchris4585: sorry :(03:42
binarymutantchris4585: reset jumper on the mobo!03:43
binarymutantblam fixed03:43
chris4585uh where would that be exactly?03:44
binarymutantthere's either a jumper or just take the cmos battery out03:45
chris4585oh well I guess I could try the cmos03:45
binarymutantjust flip the battery out03:46
binarymutantchris4585: http://www.wikihow.com/Reset-Your-BIOS03:46
chris4585really 5 to 10mins?03:48
binarymutantit has to discharge03:48
binarymutantor something idk03:48
binarymutantthe mobo's I've seen had a jumper03:49
binarymutant5-10minutes vs new motherboard :D03:49
chris4585I'll try this, but I must ask, what type of mobo do I have and would any kind of the type I need work?03:51
chris4585I should know this..03:51
chris4585I think its ATX?03:52
binarymutantatx is big/old03:53
chris4585micro atx?03:54
binarymutantmore than likely03:54
chris4585that looks right..03:54
binarymutantidk how HP does their boxes, but you should be able to put any atx/micro in there03:55
chris4585so would any micro atx mobo work03:55
chris4585ah alright03:55
binarymutantbut if it has a lot of plastic inside then maybe not :/03:55
chris4585I basically took the whole computer tonight and took off the casing and plastic03:55
chris4585its stripped down to, psu, mobo/cpu, fans, harddrive, card reader, so I should be good03:56
binarymutantplastic=not a white box03:56
chris4585lol I just have the metal case right now03:57
binarymutant:D03:57
chris4585binarymutant, thanks for your help03:57
binarymutantnaked03:57
chris4585yep03:57
binarymutanthope that works03:57
chris4585welp, this is my naked beauty http://i.imgur.com/G3LfB.jpg04:03
chris4585a bit blurry had to take the flash off, was too shiny lol04:03
binarymutantooo aahh04:05
binarymutanti see you took the cmos battery out :D04:06
chris4585lol yeah04:07
chris4585I don't see how you see that well its soo blurry04:07
binarymutantsuperpowers04:09
chris4585lol04:09
binarymutanta lot of 8bit/16bit video games :D04:09
chris4585haha, I miss that era04:10
chris4585well the video games anyway04:10
binarymutantbig pixel blurs04:11
chris4585binarymutant, I know I have an amd cpu, but do you know if its AM2 type?04:37
chris4585thats what I'm thinking04:37
binarymutantam2?04:37
binarymutantidk what that is, sorry04:37
chris4585ah alright, cpus are the department I know just about nothing04:38
binarymutantya me too04:38
binarymutantthe basics, the rest is on google :D04:38
Unit193johnhaitas: You did come back! We thought you were just going to rage quit!05:16
Unit193;)05:16
johnhaitashaha05:16
johnhaitasi had to do some hardening on the server05:16
johnhaitasforgot to log back in05:16
johnhaitasi'm back05:17
cyberangerjohnhaitas: don't harden you network too hard, gonna make irc a real pain to use ;-)05:23
johnhaitascyberanger: it was a basic thing that needed to be done05:35
cyberangerwhy stop with the basics ;-)05:53
wrsthello crazyguy51013:20
crazyguy510Hello.13:29
* wrst_amazon tries out a cloud isntance13:36
* cyberanger wonders about wrst15:10
xpistosMorning15:23
wrstcyberanger: why is that?15:27
wrstmorning xpistos15:27
xpistosCapo15:32
wrsthow are you doing xpistos?15:36
xpistoswrst: aside from getting annoyed with a printer. not bad15:36
xpistosyou ?15:36
wrstoh i'm doing well not doing much of anythign :) and I hate printers xpistos15:38
xpistoslol15:38
xpistosfiddling with Arch too15:38
wrsti'm using 11.10 right now its very nice15:40
wrstor very nice compared to 11.04 :)15:41
wrstbut don't think its replacing arch15:41
cyberangerwrst: why is what16:51
johnhaitashappy oneiric day everyone17:44
wrstcyberanger: with arch i dont' have to risk trashing my entire system every 6 months17:56
wrstjohnhaitas: happy indeed the finished product is actually pretty nice17:56
johnhaitaswrst: somehow they always bring it together nicely18:02
johnhaitaswrst: remember karmic ... when they dropped the new theme on us18:03
johnhaitasbefore the new new theme in lucid18:03
wrstwell i would argue that nothing in 11.04 was brought together nicely ;) but i think unity will be good by LTS and that's the goal I'm sure18:03
wrstyeah johnhaitas I think i was one of the few that liked karmic :)18:03
johnhaitaswrst: i usually like the releases18:04
johnhaitasnatty was not my favorite18:04
johnhaitasparts looked good ... but the lack of proper 2d unity was a problem for VMs18:05
wrsti wont be so PC unity in 11.04 sucked18:06
cyberangerjohnhaitas: remember karmic where they dropped grub2 on us and dropped hal18:19
cyberangerwrst: I'd say lucid was nice, since it followed karmic18:19
cyberangerthe headache of headaches18:19
cyberangerwrst: same with debian testing18:20
johnhaitashey guys ... networking question18:53
johnhaitasi am running wired networking cable in my new house before drywall goes up18:53
johnhaitasCAT5e or CAT618:56
johnhaitasi am inclined to go CAT618:56
xpistoswhy not go CAT618:58
johnhaitasxpistos: that's what i'm going with19:07
johnhaitasplenum cat619:07
cyberangerjohnhaitas: go cat6, it's got thicker shielding, capable of 10G ethernet too19:13
johnhaitascyberanger: ty19:13
johnhaitas:)19:13
cyberangerif the drywall isn't up, get what'll stand for years19:13
cyberanger(not saying you'll ever need 10G ethernet, just that level of shielding is useful for slower speeds too)19:14
* cyberanger keeps drooling over 10G ethernet, keep using it in the datacenters, want it in my place19:15
vychuneo/19:34
cosmicpizza' afternoon19:34
vychunehows it going19:35
cosmicpizzahowdy ?19:36
cosmicpizzai'm very fine19:36
vychunegood19:36
vychunehowdy?19:36
cosmicpizzai said i ' m fine dude !!!!!!!!!!!!!19:38
vychunei know but why did say howdy?19:38
vychune*did u say19:39
cosmicpizzasorry19:39
vychune?me just found out what howdy stands for19:39
* vychune just found out what howdy stands for19:39
vychunechalk up another idiot mom=ent for my day lol19:39
cyberangerlol, rotfl19:40
cyberangercosmicpizza: howdy isn't used much aside from the west, texas, arizona, new mexico19:40
cyberangerit's known, usually, but kinda unusual here19:41
cyberangervychune: been a city slicker too long19:41
cosmicpizzai didn' t know cyberanger sorry19:44
cyberangercell phone connection in memphis, no wonder he doesn't stay & chat long19:45
cyberangercosmicpizza: nothing to be sorry about, just letting you know something new19:45
cosmicpizzaok19:46
cyberangerI say howdy, but I dated a texan, made sense19:46
cyberangervychune: been a city slicker too long, eh?19:46
cyberanger;-)19:46
vychunei hate dial up19:46
vychunelol19:46
vychunewhat i miss?19:46
cosmicpizzai come here to learn more my english19:46
cosmicpizzanothing vychune19:46
cyberangervychune: not much (when did leap wireless start a dial up division)19:47
vychunecosmicpizza: where you from19:47
cyberangercosmicpizza: granted, I also goto the store & say bonjour19:47
cosmicpizzai' m from france19:47
vychunecyberanger: cricket broadband19:47
vychunecosmicpizza: Salut lol19:48
cyberangervychune: ah, that explains the leap wireless then (same company)19:48
cosmicpizzais there french bashing anymore in united states ?19:48
cosmicpizzawow19:48
cyberangercosmicpizza: pockets near the border with quebec mainly19:49
cyberangerone state has it's moments, but honestly, english is the big one by far, spanish as a minority19:50
cyberangerfrench is even lower on that scale19:50
cyberangerI hate that myself, my french (while low) is still better than my spanish19:51
cyberangermakes me miss ontario growing up (lived near the border)19:51
vychune-_-19:52
vychunelongest ive stayed up is ten minutes19:52
cosmicpizzawhat happened vychune ????19:53
vychuneconnection keeps getting droped19:53
cosmicpizzaok19:53
cyberangercosmicpizza: lets just say celluar networks here will make you miss france19:53
* vychune lives within walking distance of airport19:53
cyberangerinternet & celluar connectivity isn't as stellar19:53
vychuneAT ALL19:53
cyberangervychune: oh boy, that doesn't help, MEM right?19:54
vychuneMemphis Internatioal yep19:54
cyberangercosmicpizza: we're better than canada for the most part, but compared to europe, sad19:54
vychunemataku mo19:54
cyberangervychune: that explains some of that mess19:54
vychunealso, come on it's cricket AND dial up19:55
vychune3 strikes19:55
cyberangervychune: your 100% sure it's dial up19:56
vychuneit says dialing on start up19:56
vychuneclear give away lol19:56
cyberangermy celluar card merely uses ppp from the laptop to the stick, hence that dial up bit19:57
cyberangerbut really it's not going over the towers that way19:57
vychuneoh19:57
cyberangernor is it limited to 54k like real dialup would be19:58
cyberangeroh boy, he needs help19:58
cyberangerfor his connection19:58
chris4585binarymutant, I have success! sort of19:59
chris4585after taking the mobo apart and laying it on my kitchen table and assembling it that way, I get video, and I successfully changed to my pci-e card20:00
chris4585now I'm still having issues where it just keeps shutting off by itself20:00
chris4585I'm thinking its a cpu problem now...20:00
cyberangerchris4585: and you've ruled out the PSU and loose cabling20:00
chris4585but :|!?20:00
chris4585cyberanger, the thing is it doesn't shut off when I'm in the bios or grub menu only when the cpu is doing something20:01
chris4585I tried with a bootable flash drive and it instantly shut off20:01
chris4585only when the cpu is doing some work like booting up or something20:02
chris4585like right now I'm doing a memtest and its doing fine?20:07
cyberangeroverheating symptoms20:09
chris4585so I know this guy I went to today and talked to him about it20:10
chris4585he suggested taking the mobo out of the case which I did and try setting it up on a table which I did20:10
chris4585I somehow got video back20:10
chris4585would you think I just need some thermal paste or something?20:11
jamdatadudecoudl be20:13
chris4585right now I've got it running and the desktop actually loaded this time20:13
chris4585spoke too soon, it shut off as I was trying to run apt-get20:17
cyberangerchris4585: well, somethingin your case aided the issue20:18
cyberangerI'd be trying to asses what is off first & foremost20:19
cyberangerhard to fly blind20:19
chris4585what do you mean off?20:24
chris4585right now I'm getting video20:24
cyberangeryou seem to have heat related issue would be my thought20:25
cyberangerif you took it out of the case & linked the cpu to the issue20:25
cyberangerI'd be figuring out why it's overheating, on the table & in the case20:25
chris4585ah, well I'm not doing anything out of the ordinary20:26
chris4585the motherboard itself seems to be hot on the bottom20:27
cyberangeryou got it's risers correct20:28
cyberangerin the case there is usually a cool cusion of air under it20:28
cyberangerI'd be thinking the cpu's heatsink is dead or improperly seated20:28
cyberangerjust based on what you've said20:28
chris4585no I'm not on any risers right now20:33
chris4585I didn't know a heatsink could die20:33
chris4585I'm thinking this is the issue..20:35
cyberangerchris4585: well, anything with moving parts will with enough friction, enough use20:36
chris4585recently I did put the computer under some hard loads so..20:36
cyberangerdunno if yours is moving or not, but even the ones that don't move can become innefficent over time20:36
johnhaitascyberanger: you're advise is always solid21:07
cyberangerjohnhaitas: thanks21:09
johnhaitasguys21:41
johnhaitasreal quick ... what is the command to build kernel modules?21:41
johnhaitasi forget21:41
johnhaitasfound it21:42
johnhaitas"module-assistant"21:43
cyberangerlol, I'm getting slow21:46
cyberangerone way (and probally the easiest) to do it21:46
Unit193Going to have to reboot soon :(21:47
cyberangerUnit193: kernel updates?21:54
cyberangerthe world is coming to an end, please log off21:55
Unit193There's that too, but I normally ignore them. PS2 wasn't plugged in and Oneiric is out to update to21:55
* cyberanger is lost, what's a playstation gotta do with updating ubuntu22:02
cyberangerand natty to oneiric or oneiric updates22:02
Unit193PS/2 Mouse and Natty > Oneiric22:09
cyberangerah, that's not an issue22:13
cyberangerjust gotta restart some services (namely, gdm)22:14
cyberangerunless there is a new kernel you desire to use22:14
Unit193BIOS didn't detect it as it wasn't plugged in22:18
johnhaitasps/2 mouse ... Unit193 you need to be doing realtime stuff w/ your mouse?22:22
Unit193johnhaitas: I don't follow...22:23
johnhaitasUnit193: why a ps/2 mouse?22:23
johnhaitasi've only used them over USB for real-time computing applications22:23
Unit193Because the computer is just that old22:24
Unit193It's what it has and the computer only has 2 USB ports (1 in use, other for flash drive)22:24
johnhaitasUnit193: usb hub....22:26
johnhaitasbrb22:26
Unit193That would require a spare USB keyboard and mouse22:27
johnhaitasUnit193: understood22:27
johnhaitasUnit193: you realize that ps2 peripherals are going to be low priority so far as support goes22:28
Unit193It works for me if I actually plug it in on boot...22:52
cyberangerI'm supporting them just fine, linux is supporting them just fine, they work & last23:34
cyberangerbut since you brought it up pace_t_zulu, how much latency does usb add23:35
cyberangerjohnhaitas: ^^ old habit23:35
cyberangerman, used to get 3 hours on this netbook, now it's roughly two23:40
Unit193I responded to that on another channel :P23:44
* cyberanger wonders what channel23:44
chris4585any idea how I can figure out what type of heatsink I should buy?23:54
cyberangerchris4585: one supported by your socket type, fan driven23:59

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