[02:08] <Juzzy> yo sed works fine
[02:08] <Juzzy> use single quotes
[02:09] <Juzzy> # echo hi/there/pimp/ | sed 's/\//?/g'
[02:09] <Juzzy> hi?there?pimp?
[02:10] <Juzzy> and you dont escape the substitutions
[02:10] <Juzzy> a little cleaner:
[02:10] <Juzzy> # echo hi/there/pimp/ | sed 's#/#?#g'
[02:10] <Juzzy> hi?there?pimp?
[02:19] <binarymutant> thanks
[02:28] <binarymutant> http://www.osnews.com/story/25232/Dennis_Ritchie_Creator_of_UNIX_and_C_Dead_at_70
[02:57] <chris4585> well I believe I screwed my computer once again lol
[02:59] <wrst> chris4585: what happened?
[03:01] <cyberanger> chris4585: was it intentional
[03:03] <chris4585> cyberanger, no lol
[03:03] <chris4585> well it just suddenly started to shut off by itself again after I changed the PSUs
[03:03] <chris4585> now thats my secondary issue..
[03:04] <chris4585> a few hours ago my onboard video (vga) was working fine
[03:04] <chris4585> now.. I don't have any signal from it
[03:04] <chris4585> I have a pci-e card and could use it if I could see the bios.. which I can't :/
[03:04] <chris4585> so I'm in a pickle
[03:05] <cyberanger> ouch, need the bios to enable it don't you?
[03:06] <cyberanger> it's not one that autodetects some events like a new graphics card, or blown chip
[03:07] <chris4585> yeah and I can't see it
[03:07] <chris4585> I can guess the layout as best I can, but it appears something is different..
[03:07] <chris4585> no I had to manually switch to my pci-e card when I put it in before
[03:08] <chris4585> I believe I'm SOL
[03:11] <wrst> :(
[03:11] <cyberanger> chris4585: just on a mobo, any way you could have shorted it (even just the graphics chip on it or some other peice) as you dealt with the PSU
[03:12] <chris4585> it could have possibly shorted something after all the times its randomly shutoff
[03:13] <cyberanger> as part of a power issue on the PSU, plus you swapping them, sounds like a good canidate
[03:13] <cyberanger> only a mobo though, could be worse
[03:13] <chris4585> I believe I'm gonna switch the power source once more...
[03:14] <chris4585> I'm pro at this now lol
[03:14] <chris4585> the good news is it appears (not tested) to not shutting off now..
[03:16]  * cyberanger grabs something handy in case we see an eletrical fire in say 20 seconds
[03:16]  * cyberanger throws the bucket of water on chris4585
[03:17] <chris4585> lol I don't think I will..
[03:18] <cyberanger> wait a minute, this was for a brush fire, sorry chris4585
[03:18]  * cyberanger hands chris4585 a towel
[03:18] <wrst> chris4585: i have one right now I'm working on i thought it was a psu i should have checked it but turned out to be a MB
[03:20] <cyberanger> wrst: and one can get one problem to cause another
[03:21] <wrst> yes it can, I suspect that could ahve been the issue here haven't gotten the MB yet
[03:24] <cyberanger> well, careful if the PSU is toast, you don't fry two boards
[03:24] <wrst> i have a new psu
[03:24] <wrst> but it would fire up run for just a little then shut off
[03:25] <cyberanger> ouch
[03:25] <wrst> yeah so that's not good for things :)
[03:25] <chris4585> wrst, yeah the motherboard right now I think is basically fried :/
[03:26] <wrst> oh and cyberanger my main server will be running debian if i have to do anything major to it again
[03:26] <chris4585> wrst, yes thats what would be happening to me...
[03:26] <chris4585> the power supplies I think are fine
[03:27] <wrst> yeah i think so
[03:28] <chris4585> so I'm pretty sure the onboard vga connector? is fried or shorted, for a few weeks when I turned on my computer I would see this weird faint lines on my screen and now this :/
[03:28] <chris4585> you guys think I should look into buying another mobo and replacing the current one?
[03:29] <wrst> i'm thinking so but i would yield to cyberanger as I'm not having any luck either :)
[03:29] <chris4585> well tomorrow I'm gonna pay a visit to someone who has a lot of experience with fixing computers
[03:30] <binarymutant> chris4585: you try a video card?
[03:30] <cyberanger> binarymutant: he can't get at the bios to enable it
[03:30] <binarymutant> why not?
[03:31] <cyberanger> vga seems fried
[03:31] <cyberanger> or possibly onboard
[03:31] <chris4585> correct
[03:31] <binarymutant> pnp
[03:31] <cyberanger> jist is, his problem is interferring with getting to the bios to enable the pci-e card
[03:31] <chris4585> binarymutant, I have 2 I could try but I can't get into the bios and see the configuration
[03:32] <binarymutant> should be plug n play
[03:32] <chris4585> I had to manually switch to pci-e before
[03:32] <cyberanger> eithr his board is fried entirely, or plug and play isn't working as it should
[03:32] <cyberanger> or the board is older than pnp (as mine is for pci-e)
[03:32] <binarymutant> pnp is like mid 90's
[03:32] <binarymutant> that's def. a pickle
[03:33] <chris4585> when i turn my computer on both fans (ontop of the cpu and on the back) turn on, no beeps and no video signal
[03:33] <chris4585> same thing with two psu's
[03:33] <binarymutant> it's your vga for sure
[03:34] <chris4585> anyway I can get this repaired without buying another mobo?
[03:34] <binarymutant> or monitor, try switching monitors. If that doesn't work than it's the video card
[03:34] <chris4585> no, I've tried two monitors, my main one works fine
[03:34] <binarymutant> chris4585: no one will do onboard video replacement except the manufact.
[03:35] <cyberanger> chris4585: and quite honestly, not worth it in most cases
[03:35] <chris4585> ah ok
[03:35] <cyberanger> binarymutant: mine is early pci-e
[03:35] <chris4585> so I am SOL, buy another mobo basically?
[03:35] <cyberanger> 2004, won't do it
[03:35] <binarymutant> putting in the card doesn't work?
[03:35] <chris4585> nope
[03:36] <chris4585> anyway I could flash my bios or update it without visually seeing the screen? lol
[03:36] <binarymutant> what motherboard is this? OEM should have the bios set to card, then onboard
[03:36] <chris4585> that would be lovely
[03:36] <chris4585> this is the computer binarymutant http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883107363
[03:37] <chris4585> got it in 2007 I think
[03:37] <binarymutant> that's too good of a pc to trash
[03:37] <chris4585> yeah
[03:38] <chris4585> lets just say I'm determined to get this thing fixed
[03:38] <binarymutant> flash it: http://www.jetway.com.tw/evisn/download/bios/Awdflash.exe
[03:38] <binarymutant> good luck, don't brick it :D
[03:38] <chris4585> I even tried navigating the bios without visually seeing it and changing settings but didn't do anything
[03:39] <chris4585> D:
[03:39] <chris4585> I've never flashed anything, what would that do exactly?
[03:40] <binarymutant> wait idk if you can without seeing it...
[03:40] <binarymutant> that's a pickle
[03:40] <chris4585> yep
[03:42] <binarymutant> errm
[03:42] <binarymutant> chris4585: sorry :(
[03:43] <binarymutant> chris4585: reset jumper on the mobo!
[03:43] <binarymutant> blam fixed
[03:44] <chris4585> uh where would that be exactly?
[03:45] <binarymutant> there's either a jumper or just take the cmos battery out
[03:45] <chris4585> oh well I guess I could try the cmos
[03:46] <binarymutant> just flip the battery out
[03:46] <binarymutant> chris4585: http://www.wikihow.com/Reset-Your-BIOS
[03:48] <chris4585> really 5 to 10mins?
[03:48] <binarymutant> it has to discharge
[03:48] <binarymutant> or something idk
[03:49] <binarymutant> the mobo's I've seen had a jumper
[03:49] <binarymutant> 5-10minutes vs new motherboard :D
[03:51] <chris4585> I'll try this, but I must ask, what type of mobo do I have and would any kind of the type I need work?
[03:51] <chris4585> I should know this..
[03:52] <chris4585> I think its ATX?
[03:53] <binarymutant> atx is big/old
[03:54] <chris4585> micro atx?
[03:54] <binarymutant> more than likely
[03:54] <chris4585> that looks right..
[03:55] <binarymutant> idk how HP does their boxes, but you should be able to put any atx/micro in there
[03:55] <chris4585> so would any micro atx mobo work
[03:55] <chris4585> ah alright
[03:55] <binarymutant> but if it has a lot of plastic inside then maybe not :/
[03:55] <chris4585> I basically took the whole computer tonight and took off the casing and plastic
[03:56] <chris4585> its stripped down to, psu, mobo/cpu, fans, harddrive, card reader, so I should be good
[03:56] <binarymutant> plastic=not a white box
[03:57] <chris4585> lol I just have the metal case right now
[03:57] <binarymutant> :D
[03:57] <chris4585> binarymutant, thanks for your help
[03:57] <binarymutant> naked
[03:57] <chris4585> yep
[03:57] <binarymutant> hope that works
[04:03] <chris4585> welp, this is my naked beauty http://i.imgur.com/G3LfB.jpg
[04:03] <chris4585> a bit blurry had to take the flash off, was too shiny lol
[04:05] <binarymutant> ooo aahh
[04:06] <binarymutant> i see you took the cmos battery out :D
[04:07] <chris4585> lol yeah
[04:07] <chris4585> I don't see how you see that well its soo blurry
[04:09] <binarymutant> superpowers
[04:09] <chris4585> lol
[04:09] <binarymutant> a lot of 8bit/16bit video games :D
[04:10] <chris4585> haha, I miss that era
[04:10] <chris4585> well the video games anyway
[04:11] <binarymutant> big pixel blurs
[04:37] <chris4585> binarymutant, I know I have an amd cpu, but do you know if its AM2 type?
[04:37] <chris4585> thats what I'm thinking
[04:37] <binarymutant> am2?
[04:37] <binarymutant> idk what that is, sorry
[04:38] <chris4585> ah alright, cpus are the department I know just about nothing
[04:38] <binarymutant> ya me too
[04:38] <binarymutant> the basics, the rest is on google :D
[05:16] <Unit193> johnhaitas: You did come back! We thought you were just going to rage quit!
[05:16] <Unit193> ;)
[05:16] <johnhaitas> haha
[05:16] <johnhaitas> i had to do some hardening on the server
[05:16] <johnhaitas> forgot to log back in
[05:17] <johnhaitas> i'm back
[05:23] <cyberanger> johnhaitas: don't harden you network too hard, gonna make irc a real pain to use ;-)
[05:35] <johnhaitas> cyberanger: it was a basic thing that needed to be done
[05:53] <cyberanger> why stop with the basics ;-)
[13:20] <wrst> hello crazyguy510
[13:29] <crazyguy510> Hello.
[13:36]  * wrst_amazon tries out a cloud isntance
[15:10]  * cyberanger wonders about wrst
[15:23] <xpistos> Morning
[15:27] <wrst> cyberanger: why is that?
[15:27] <wrst> morning xpistos
[15:32] <xpistos> Capo
[15:36] <wrst> how are you doing xpistos?
[15:36] <xpistos> wrst: aside from getting annoyed with a printer. not bad
[15:36] <xpistos> you ?
[15:38] <wrst> oh i'm doing well not doing much of anythign :) and I hate printers xpistos
[15:38] <xpistos> lol
[15:38] <xpistos> fiddling with Arch too
[15:40] <wrst> i'm using 11.10 right now its very nice
[15:41] <wrst> or very nice compared to 11.04 :)
[15:41] <wrst> but don't think its replacing arch
[16:51] <cyberanger> wrst: why is what
[17:44] <johnhaitas> happy oneiric day everyone
[17:56] <wrst> cyberanger: with arch i dont' have to risk trashing my entire system every 6 months
[17:56] <wrst> johnhaitas: happy indeed the finished product is actually pretty nice
[18:02] <johnhaitas> wrst: somehow they always bring it together nicely
[18:03] <johnhaitas> wrst: remember karmic ... when they dropped the new theme on us
[18:03] <johnhaitas> before the new new theme in lucid
[18:03] <wrst> well i would argue that nothing in 11.04 was brought together nicely ;) but i think unity will be good by LTS and that's the goal I'm sure
[18:03] <wrst> yeah johnhaitas I think i was one of the few that liked karmic :)
[18:04] <johnhaitas> wrst: i usually like the releases
[18:04] <johnhaitas> natty was not my favorite
[18:05] <johnhaitas> parts looked good ... but the lack of proper 2d unity was a problem for VMs
[18:06] <wrst> i wont be so PC unity in 11.04 sucked
[18:19] <cyberanger> johnhaitas: remember karmic where they dropped grub2 on us and dropped hal
[18:19] <cyberanger> wrst: I'd say lucid was nice, since it followed karmic
[18:19] <cyberanger> the headache of headaches
[18:20] <cyberanger> wrst: same with debian testing
[18:53] <johnhaitas> hey guys ... networking question
[18:53] <johnhaitas> i am running wired networking cable in my new house before drywall goes up
[18:56] <johnhaitas> CAT5e or CAT6
[18:56] <johnhaitas> i am inclined to go CAT6
[18:58] <xpistos> why not go CAT6
[19:07] <johnhaitas> xpistos: that's what i'm going with
[19:07] <johnhaitas> plenum cat6
[19:13] <cyberanger> johnhaitas: go cat6, it's got thicker shielding, capable of 10G ethernet too
[19:13] <johnhaitas> cyberanger: ty
[19:13] <johnhaitas> :)
[19:13] <cyberanger> if the drywall isn't up, get what'll stand for years
[19:14] <cyberanger> (not saying you'll ever need 10G ethernet, just that level of shielding is useful for slower speeds too)
[19:15]  * cyberanger keeps drooling over 10G ethernet, keep using it in the datacenters, want it in my place
[19:34] <vychune> o/
[19:34] <cosmicpizza> ' afternoon
[19:35] <vychune> hows it going
[19:36] <cosmicpizza> howdy ?
[19:36] <cosmicpizza> i'm very fine
[19:36] <vychune> good
[19:36] <vychune> howdy?
[19:38] <cosmicpizza> i said i ' m fine dude !!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:38] <vychune> i know but why did say howdy?
[19:39] <vychune> *did u say
[19:39] <cosmicpizza> sorry
[19:39] <vychune> ?me just found out what howdy stands for
[19:39]  * vychune just found out what howdy stands for
[19:39] <vychune> chalk up another idiot mom=ent for my day lol
[19:40] <cyberanger> lol, rotfl
[19:40] <cyberanger> cosmicpizza: howdy isn't used much aside from the west, texas, arizona, new mexico
[19:41] <cyberanger> it's known, usually, but kinda unusual here
[19:41] <cyberanger> vychune: been a city slicker too long
[19:44] <cosmicpizza> i didn' t know cyberanger sorry
[19:45] <cyberanger> cell phone connection in memphis, no wonder he doesn't stay & chat long
[19:45] <cyberanger> cosmicpizza: nothing to be sorry about, just letting you know something new
[19:46] <cosmicpizza> ok
[19:46] <cyberanger> I say howdy, but I dated a texan, made sense
[19:46] <cyberanger> vychune: been a city slicker too long, eh?
[19:46] <cyberanger> ;-)
[19:46] <vychune> i hate dial up
[19:46] <vychune> lol
[19:46] <vychune> what i miss?
[19:46] <cosmicpizza> i come here to learn more my english
[19:46] <cosmicpizza> nothing vychune
[19:47] <cyberanger> vychune: not much (when did leap wireless start a dial up division)
[19:47] <vychune> cosmicpizza: where you from
[19:47] <cyberanger> cosmicpizza: granted, I also goto the store & say bonjour
[19:47] <cosmicpizza> i' m from france
[19:47] <vychune> cyberanger: cricket broadband
[19:48] <vychune> cosmicpizza: Salut lol
[19:48] <cyberanger> vychune: ah, that explains the leap wireless then (same company)
[19:48] <cosmicpizza> is there french bashing anymore in united states ?
[19:48] <cosmicpizza> wow
[19:49] <cyberanger> cosmicpizza: pockets near the border with quebec mainly
[19:50] <cyberanger> one state has it's moments, but honestly, english is the big one by far, spanish as a minority
[19:50] <cyberanger> french is even lower on that scale
[19:51] <cyberanger> I hate that myself, my french (while low) is still better than my spanish
[19:51] <cyberanger> makes me miss ontario growing up (lived near the border)
[19:52] <vychune> -_-
[19:52] <vychune> longest ive stayed up is ten minutes
[19:53] <cosmicpizza> what happened vychune ????
[19:53] <vychune> connection keeps getting droped
[19:53] <cosmicpizza> ok
[19:53] <cyberanger> cosmicpizza: lets just say celluar networks here will make you miss france
[19:53]  * vychune lives within walking distance of airport
[19:53] <cyberanger> internet & celluar connectivity isn't as stellar
[19:53] <vychune> AT ALL
[19:54] <cyberanger> vychune: oh boy, that doesn't help, MEM right?
[19:54] <vychune> Memphis Internatioal yep
[19:54] <cyberanger> cosmicpizza: we're better than canada for the most part, but compared to europe, sad
[19:54] <vychune> mataku mo
[19:54] <cyberanger> vychune: that explains some of that mess
[19:55] <vychune> also, come on it's cricket AND dial up
[19:55] <vychune> 3 strikes
[19:56] <cyberanger> vychune: your 100% sure it's dial up
[19:56] <vychune> it says dialing on start up
[19:56] <vychune> clear give away lol
[19:57] <cyberanger> my celluar card merely uses ppp from the laptop to the stick, hence that dial up bit
[19:57] <cyberanger> but really it's not going over the towers that way
[19:57] <vychune> oh
[19:58] <cyberanger> nor is it limited to 54k like real dialup would be
[19:58] <cyberanger> oh boy, he needs help
[19:58] <cyberanger> for his connection
[19:59] <chris4585> binarymutant, I have success! sort of
[20:00] <chris4585> after taking the mobo apart and laying it on my kitchen table and assembling it that way, I get video, and I successfully changed to my pci-e card
[20:00] <chris4585> now I'm still having issues where it just keeps shutting off by itself
[20:00] <chris4585> I'm thinking its a cpu problem now...
[20:00] <cyberanger> chris4585: and you've ruled out the PSU and loose cabling
[20:00] <chris4585> but :|!?
[20:01] <chris4585> cyberanger, the thing is it doesn't shut off when I'm in the bios or grub menu only when the cpu is doing something
[20:01] <chris4585> I tried with a bootable flash drive and it instantly shut off
[20:02] <chris4585> only when the cpu is doing some work like booting up or something
[20:07] <chris4585> like right now I'm doing a memtest and its doing fine?
[20:09] <cyberanger> overheating symptoms
[20:10] <chris4585> so I know this guy I went to today and talked to him about it
[20:10] <chris4585> he suggested taking the mobo out of the case which I did and try setting it up on a table which I did
[20:10] <chris4585> I somehow got video back
[20:11] <chris4585> would you think I just need some thermal paste or something?
[20:13] <jamdatadude> coudl be
[20:13] <chris4585> right now I've got it running and the desktop actually loaded this time
[20:17] <chris4585> spoke too soon, it shut off as I was trying to run apt-get
[20:18] <cyberanger> chris4585: well, somethingin your case aided the issue
[20:19] <cyberanger> I'd be trying to asses what is off first & foremost
[20:19] <cyberanger> hard to fly blind
[20:24] <chris4585> what do you mean off?
[20:24] <chris4585> right now I'm getting video
[20:25] <cyberanger> you seem to have heat related issue would be my thought
[20:25] <cyberanger> if you took it out of the case & linked the cpu to the issue
[20:25] <cyberanger> I'd be figuring out why it's overheating, on the table & in the case
[20:26] <chris4585> ah, well I'm not doing anything out of the ordinary
[20:27] <chris4585> the motherboard itself seems to be hot on the bottom
[20:28] <cyberanger> you got it's risers correct
[20:28] <cyberanger> in the case there is usually a cool cusion of air under it
[20:28] <cyberanger> I'd be thinking the cpu's heatsink is dead or improperly seated
[20:28] <cyberanger> just based on what you've said
[20:33] <chris4585> no I'm not on any risers right now
[20:33] <chris4585> I didn't know a heatsink could die
[20:35] <chris4585> I'm thinking this is the issue..
[20:36] <cyberanger> chris4585: well, anything with moving parts will with enough friction, enough use
[20:36] <chris4585> recently I did put the computer under some hard loads so..
[20:36] <cyberanger> dunno if yours is moving or not, but even the ones that don't move can become innefficent over time
[21:07] <johnhaitas> cyberanger: you're advise is always solid
[21:09] <cyberanger> johnhaitas: thanks
[21:41] <johnhaitas> guys
[21:41] <johnhaitas> real quick ... what is the command to build kernel modules?
[21:41] <johnhaitas> i forget
[21:42] <johnhaitas> found it
[21:43] <johnhaitas> "module-assistant"
[21:46] <cyberanger> lol, I'm getting slow
[21:46] <cyberanger> one way (and probally the easiest) to do it
[21:47] <Unit193> Going to have to reboot soon :(
[21:54] <cyberanger> Unit193: kernel updates?
[21:55] <cyberanger> the world is coming to an end, please log off
[21:55] <Unit193> There's that too, but I normally ignore them. PS2 wasn't plugged in and Oneiric is out to update to
[22:02]  * cyberanger is lost, what's a playstation gotta do with updating ubuntu
[22:02] <cyberanger> and natty to oneiric or oneiric updates
[22:09] <Unit193> PS/2 Mouse and Natty > Oneiric
[22:13] <cyberanger> ah, that's not an issue
[22:14] <cyberanger> just gotta restart some services (namely, gdm)
[22:14] <cyberanger> unless there is a new kernel you desire to use
[22:18] <Unit193> BIOS didn't detect it as it wasn't plugged in
[22:22] <johnhaitas> ps/2 mouse ... Unit193 you need to be doing realtime stuff w/ your mouse?
[22:23] <Unit193> johnhaitas: I don't follow...
[22:23] <johnhaitas> Unit193: why a ps/2 mouse?
[22:23] <johnhaitas> i've only used them over USB for real-time computing applications
[22:24] <Unit193> Because the computer is just that old
[22:24] <Unit193> It's what it has and the computer only has 2 USB ports (1 in use, other for flash drive)
[22:26] <johnhaitas> Unit193: usb hub....
[22:26] <johnhaitas> brb
[22:27] <Unit193> That would require a spare USB keyboard and mouse
[22:27] <johnhaitas> Unit193: understood
[22:28] <johnhaitas> Unit193: you realize that ps2 peripherals are going to be low priority so far as support goes
[22:52] <Unit193> It works for me if I actually plug it in on boot...
[23:34] <cyberanger> I'm supporting them just fine, linux is supporting them just fine, they work & last
[23:35] <cyberanger> but since you brought it up pace_t_zulu, how much latency does usb add
[23:35] <cyberanger> johnhaitas: ^^ old habit
[23:40] <cyberanger> man, used to get 3 hours on this netbook, now it's roughly two
[23:44] <Unit193> I responded to that on another channel :P
[23:44]  * cyberanger wonders what channel
[23:54] <chris4585> any idea how I can figure out what type of heatsink I should buy?
[23:59] <cyberanger> chris4585: one supported by your socket type, fan driven