[05:10] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[05:10] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[05:10]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[05:10] <superfly> morning Kilos!
[05:14] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[05:14] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[05:14] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[08:35] <jpm[mobile]> Maaz: is it out yet?
[08:35] <Maaz> jpm[mobile]: *blink*
[09:06]  * tumbleweed reminds people to visit #ubuntu-release-party
[09:58] <superfly> tumbleweed: what, so we can watch everyone asking "is it released yet?!"
[10:03] <zeref> lulz
[10:04]  * drubin forgot today was release today
[10:28] <tumbleweed> superfly: and get kicked when they announce URLs
[13:32] <tumbleweed> http://www.ubuntu.com/tour/ rather neat
[13:32] <tumbleweed> (it released btw)
[13:35] <superfly> wow, that's pretty awesome
[15:09] <superfly> w00t, downloading ISOs
[15:11] <zeref> o0o0
[15:28] <inetpro> good evening
[15:29] <inetpro> superfly: let me know how the upgrade goes or are you planning to do a fresh install?
[15:32] <superfly> inetpro: I upgraded to beta 1, I'm not going to reinstall
[15:32] <superfly> zeref: 4Mbps uncapped FTW
[15:32] <inetpro> superfly: ah, so you should almost be up to date then?
[15:33] <inetpro> superfly: any new issues yet?
[15:33] <inetpro> superfly: or nice improvements?
[15:33] <zeref> superfly, NICE
[15:33] <zeref> i'll be getting 11.10 later tonightz
[15:34] <superfly> inetpro: yeah, almost up-to-date
[15:34] <superfly> but Kmail2 is still a pile of steaming dogpoo
[15:36]  * inetpro will stick to Thunderbird until one day when superfly raves about kmail2
[15:52]  * nuvolari will use the thunderbird in the tour :P
[15:53] <nuvolari> ok, home time
[15:53] <Maaz> nuvolari: By the way, magespawn on freenode told me "tell nuvolari to have a look at oracle.com/javamagazine" 1 day, 22 hours, 17 minutes and 40 seconds ago
[15:53] <nuvolari> Maaz: tell magespawn cool! thanks, I'll have a look
[15:53] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sure, I'll tell magespawn on freenode
[16:01] <superfly> evening nuvolari
[18:08] <Kilos> evening all
[18:08] <Kilos> Maaz,  coffee on
[18:08]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[18:08] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:08] <superfly> you want me to mail Ubuntu to you again?
[18:09] <Kilos> yes please superfly 
[18:09] <superfly> Kilos: which ones do you want?
[18:09] <Kilos> will try give kubuntu a bit more time to sink in this time and wont let ian steal it
[18:11] <Kilos> ubuntu, kubuntu i think will be great ty superfly 
[18:12] <superfly> OK
[18:12] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[18:12] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[18:12] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[18:12] <superfly> Kilos: I'm downloading them all at the moment, but we're moving this weekend, so it'll only be next week or the week after
[18:13] <Kilos> are you almost packed for your move superfly 
[18:13] <Kilos> no rush my friend ty
[18:14]  * Kilos hates moving
[18:15] <Kilos> haai inetpro lewe jy nog??
[18:16] <Kilos> the more ubuntu advances the smaller this channel gets
[18:16] <Kilos> sigh
[18:19] <superfly> Kilos: well, we're moving in bits and pieces, but all the big bits and large pieces are moving this saturday
[18:20] <Kilos> sterkte
[18:21] <superfly> dankie
[18:26] <zeref> hmmmm
[18:32] <superfly> evening Maaz
[18:32] <superfly> *magespawn
[18:32] <magespawn> hi superfly
[18:33] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[18:33] <superfly> upgraded yet?
[18:33] <magespawn> the one in the shop was busy when i left.
[18:33] <superfly> good man
[18:33] <superfly> ;-)
[18:34] <magespawn> i keep my laptop on 10.04
[18:46] <superfly> 3 more ISOs, including this one, and then I have Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Ubuntu Server, both 32 and 64 bit.
[18:47] <Kilos> what speed superfly 
[18:48] <magespawn> hi Kilos did not even see you.
[18:48] <superfly> 400 to 420 KB/s
[18:48] <Kilos> lol
[18:49] <Kilos> thats hsdpa speed
[18:49] <superfly> Kilos: in other words, I'm getting close to my 4Mbps
[18:49] <Kilos> nee man
[18:49] <Kilos> under half a meg/s
[18:50] <superfly> Kilos: Mbps != MB/s
[18:50] <superfly> Mbps = Megabits per second
[18:50] <superfly> MB/s = MegaBytes per second
[18:50] <Kilos> 400 KB/s is under half a m/s?
[18:50] <magespawn> connection speed and actual download speed are different
[18:50] <superfly> Kilos: yes, it is
[18:51] <Kilos> 4000 kB/s is megs
[18:51] <superfly> Kilos: yes, but line speed is measures in BITS per second, not BYTES per second
[18:51] <Kilos> im lost now
[18:51] <Kilos> did you mean 400 or 4000KB/s
[18:51] <magespawn> 8 bites to a byte
[18:52] <superfly> a bit is the single smallest value in computers
[18:52] <Kilos> yes
[18:52] <superfly> Kilos: while a byte is 8 bits
[18:52] <Kilos> yes
[18:52] <superfly> ADSL speed is measures in bits per second
[18:53] <Kilos> oh thats even slower than bytes
[18:53] <superfly> but downloads are usually talked about in bytes per second
[18:53] <superfly> because a byte is how computers actually work
[18:54] <magespawn> i usually get 109 on my 1 meg line.
[18:54] <Kilos> yes i understand the bits and bytes part, but you lose me when you say you getting 400KB/s sec and relate that to 4m/s
[18:55] <Kilos> i get a max of 350kB/s and never near 1m?s
[18:55] <superfly> Kilos: when you send data over a network, the data is not just shoved down the network cable, it is first divided up into packets
[18:56] <superfly> each of those packets has a little bit of data attached to it, to tell the receiving computer how to put all the data back together
[18:56] <superfly> so when we talk about Mbps, we're talking about the data, plus the extra bit of information associated with those packets
[18:57] <superfly> and when we talk about KB/s, we're talking about just the data you're sending, not the extra information
[18:57] <Kilos> oh mbits/sec
[18:57] <Kilos> sorry i slow
[18:57] <Kilos> thats 8 times slower than MB/s
[19:01] <Kilos> hi amanica 
[19:05] <amanica> hi Kilos 
[19:05] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. see ya morrow , of and on
[19:05] <amanica> thx my adsl was down for a while, turns out it is on again!!!! thx
[19:05] <superfly> I think he still doesn't quite get it
[19:05] <superfly> amanica: just in time for the new release ;-)
[19:06] <amanica> yeah!
[19:06] <amanica> my torrents went down that is how I noticed to start with
[19:08] <magespawn> superfly dropping people in the deep end does tend to cover them information.
[19:11] <magespawn> night all.
[19:20] <inetpro> guten abend
[19:35] <zeref> hurrrrmmm
[19:42] <zeref> suddenly, no internet
[23:35] <tumbleweed> shiny http://thenewubuntu.com/