[00:00] <histo> wplug_terryg: which command are you getting that error?
[00:02] <wplug_terryg> histo: I try to run the command dbxxx_load xxx being the version currently installed under maverick 4.8 however I cannot find a package call libdb4.8-util which would be consistent with the howtos instructions
[00:03] <histo> wplug_terryg: apt-cache search libdb4
[00:03] <karma4ya> hello everyone
[00:03] <Bjartensen> So is Ubuntu available? =P
[00:03] <Bjartensen> sry 11.10**
[00:03] <histo> !releases
[00:03] <Bjartensen> hmm
[00:04] <jsphillips86> anybody know an easy way to install Ubuntu on a Acer iconia tab?
[00:04] <histo> !party | Bjartensen
[00:04] <wplug_terryg> histo: Yes I did try that and I do show a libdb4.8 however no command db4xx_load it is not found
[00:04] <histo> jsphillips86: http://iconiatabforums.com/iconiatabforums/index.php?topic=168.0
[00:05] <histo> wplug_terryg: I would search the documents at help.ubuntu.com for more updated instructions that post is 4 years old
[00:05] <wplug_terryg> Yeah good idea I'll try that stay right here I'll be back :)
[00:06] <karma4ya> I have a question I upgraded blender and the new version wouldnt load but now I need to know how to remove the svn and go back to the old blender is that possible?
[00:06] <BaseBallBoy> Okay so, I pressed the mouse lock button on my laptop to disable it, I reclick it to enable it. The trackpad will no longer work. Even after restarting. (Ubuntu 10.04 LTS) (Acer 7535)
[00:07] <histo> karma4ya: delete the files
[00:07] <BaseBallBoy> But it does work at the loginscreen, but not after I log in
[00:07] <histo> karma4ya: then install the version from the repos
[00:07] <speeedy> whats this room all about
[00:07] <histo> !topic | speeedy
[00:08] <karma4ya> so there is no way to get rid of the Svn and go back
[00:09] <crash1hd> OK I dropped to alt ctrl 1 logged in and then inserted a cd and I get the error ata8 failed command identity packet device ata bus error
[00:10] <jsphillips86>  anybody know an easy way to install Ubuntu on a Acer iconia tab a500?
[00:11] <wplug_terryg> histo: Well there has been some changes.  Will have to research.  thanks for your assistance.
[00:11] <crash1hd> Is there any log I can look at that can tell me why my ubuntu machine locks up when I put a cd in?
[00:13] <recon69_lap> karma4ya: there are many ways :) , you may even already have both blenders installed
[00:14] <karma4ya> well 2.59 wouldnt load after doing upgrade but blender people told me try to run from a file off the desktop and that works perfect
[00:14] <karma4ya> but it wont let me run the 2.49 that way it gives me a lib error
[00:15] <karma4ya> i ideally would like to remove the blender svn and just go back to the blender that was in the ubuntu softwre center but its not there any more
[00:17] <mindsystem> karma4ya: would you be able to run a make uninstall? i know some makefiles have that built in...
[00:18] <BaseBallBoy> Okay so, I pressed the mouse lock button on my laptop to disable it, I reclick it to enable it. The trackpad will no longer work. Even after restarting. (Ubuntu 10.04 LTS) (Acer 7535)
[00:18] <karma4ya> hmm
[00:19] <Iron_> Hey guys, is it all set for the launch of Ubuntu 11.10 tomorrow?
[00:19] <Iron_> I can't see any news oon the website >.<
[00:20] <g0rs> Iron_: are they releasing an iso tomorrow?
[00:20] <OerHeks> you will know when
[00:20] <Ebron> is there a way to reverse less?
[00:20] <Ebron> I want rless for logfiles ^^
[00:20] <arand> Iron_: It will be announced when it is released, and #ubuntu+1 is the proper channel for discussing, or possible #ubuntu-release-party
[00:20] <Pici> Ebron: tac filename | less
[00:20] <beta0x64> Ebron, what is meant by reverse less?
[00:20] <qin> Iron_: /join #ubuntu-release-party
[00:21] <Iron_> cool
[00:21] <Iron_> going there
[00:21] <Iron_> thanks
[00:21] <Ebron> thxt Pici :)
[00:21] <Ebron> beta0x64: the command less, only that it starts at the end of the file and goes backwards
[00:21] <Pici> Ebron: tac is cat backwards :)
[00:22] <beta0x64> Pici, I never knew about tac. Wow. Thanks
[00:22] <histo> wplug_terryg: there is also howtoforge. They have some howto's for the perfect server setup etc...
[00:22] <wplug_terryg> histo
[00:23] <histo> Ebron: tac will cat backwards
[00:23] <wplug_terryg> histo: Thanks I'll check that out as well.  I'm still looking through the ubuntu forums right now.
[00:23] <histo> Ebron: so tac somefile | less would reverse the file and pipe the output to less
[00:23] <histo> wplug_terryg: let me get you a link to the documentation
[00:24] <histo> wplug_terryg: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/ftp-server.html
[00:24] <Stryk3r> woah
[00:24] <histo> Stryk3r: woah what?
[00:24] <Stryk3r> Lot of people, lol.
[00:25] <Stryk3r> I'm new to IRC chats, Zac was telling me about them and I'm pretty addicted to this now.
[00:25] <wplug_terryg> Yes thanks I have looked at that link.  I guess what I thought was cool was using virtual users from that apparently obsolete howto.
[00:26] <Stryk3r> So, I have some ubuntu related questions for anyone to answer
[00:27] <beta0x64> Stryk3r, you should just ask. if someone knows, they will answer.
[00:27] <wplug_terryg> histo: I only want to give a windows user the ability to transfer a bunch of m4v files to my computer they vary in sizes of 10's of MB each.
[00:27] <Stryk3r> WINDOWS SUCKS BUTTHOLE
[00:27] <Stryk3r> But, anyway.
[00:27] <Stryk3r> For some reason, my hard drive is like, eating itself.
[00:28] <beta0x64> Stryk3r, one ish: windows exists and isn't going away for a while. so we gotta live with it ;)
[00:28] <wplug_terryg> Yeah but it is what corp world is using and well...
[00:28] <Stryk3r> I went from windows vista to ubuntu 11.4 netbook remix edition
[00:28] <Stryk3r> and now I wonder why I ever used windows.
[00:29] <wplug_terryg> I noticed that the link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/vsftpd any data there has been removed.
[00:29] <wplug_terryg> histo: I would really like to use virtual users under vsftpd if it is still possible?
[00:30] <Stryk3r> I'd make a comment to you, wplug, but I have no clue what that is, aha
[00:30] <wplug_terryg> histo: and allow a Windows user to login and upload mpeg 4 files
[00:30] <johnjohn101> will ubuntu 11.04 client run on a bulldozer machine?  will i have to compile a special kernel for an 8 core?
[00:30] <Stryk3r> windows can upload mpeg 4...cant it?
[00:31] <Pici> Stryk3r: This channel is for Ubuntu support, if you don't have a question or are not supporting you are free to chat in #ubuntu-offtopic or await the release in #ubuntu-release-party
[00:31] <Pici> johnjohn101: It should run just fine.
[00:31] <wplug_terryg> histo: he is a colleague from a Win**** class I took recently all lecture material I lost in a raid crash
[00:31] <yagoo> g0rs, are hte realeas an iso tomorrow? ouin.. SHUTUP ;-)..
[00:32] <yagoo> g0rs, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade :)
[00:33] <alexove> Hello. i have a problem with an openvpn server
[00:34] <Chotaz> Is 11-10 out yet?
[00:34] <alexove> can anyone give me a hand?
[00:35] <deebee_> alexove: probably better off asking in #openvpn
[00:35] <deebee_> unless it's something ubuntu specific relating to openvpn
[00:35] <dextery> !list
[00:36] <ej_> \j #awholenewworld
[00:36] <JoseP> 11.10 isn't out yet, right?
[00:36] <alexove> i don't know if the problem is related with ubuntu
[00:37] <recon69_lap> points JoseP to #ubuntu-release-party
[00:37] <alexove> and i don't know how to know it
[00:37] <yagoo> !vpn
[00:37] <yagoo> ^^
[00:37] <JoseP> Thanks
[00:38] <deebee_> alexove: chances are it isn't ubuntu related, try the openvpn channel and see what they say
[00:39] <mydogsnameisrudy> how  would you know he never asked a ?
[00:39] <deebee_> mydogsnameisrudy: hence the word 'chances'
[00:40] <mydogsnameisrudy> indeed
[00:45] <hunter_> hey
[00:46] <flummy_> http://www.google.com/trends?q=ubuntu%2Ccancer
[00:46] <hunter_> chanserv: hey do you use wobbly windows?
[00:47] <JoseP> ChanServ is a service
[00:47] <JoseP> you need compiz for wobbly windows
[00:48] <hunter_> josep: i know that silly
[00:48] <JoseP> ok lol
[00:48] <JoseP> just making sure
[00:49] <hunter_> josep: ok so how do you get the burning feature on compiz that burns windows when you close them
[00:49] <hunter_> ?
[00:49] <JoseP> I haven't done that one but it's there lol
[00:49] <JoseP> have you been able to use the fire?
[00:50] <hunter_> i have not found it yet
[00:52] <hunter_> josep: you mean like when you write on the desktop?
[00:52] <JoseP> yea
[00:52] <cwillu> hunter_, it's in compiz-plugins-extras or something like that
[00:52] <alexi> ok, i just fixed my internet on T-Mobile with "sudo modprobe usbserial vendor=0x12d1 product=0x1506"
[00:52] <cwillu> as well, you might need to install the compiz configurator thingie
[00:53] <alexi> how do i make it automatic so i dont have to do it every time i start up?
[00:53] <recon69_lap> alexi :-D
[00:53] <hunter_> cwillu: ok i will try  brb
[00:53] <alexi> its too basic  a question for the msg boards
[00:53] <alexi> is there a startup config i can edit with that command?
[00:54] <alexi> keep in mind i only have to use a computer once every 10 years or so... sorry if i am slow
[00:54] <BaseBallBoy> I clicked the tracpad disable button and repressed it again and now my tracpad won't work even after reboot. It will work in login screen but not after loading my session
[00:54] <BaseBallBoy> Is this an Ubuntu problem or Gnome problem?
[00:54] <KM0201> alexi: once every 10yrs? why do you even own one.
[00:56] <alexi> nowdays if you dont have a computer on the internet, all the girls leave!
[00:57] <sileni> hey everyone
[00:57] <wplug_terryg> histo: I finally found the package its called : db4.8-util I dunno how I missed it b4 but I got is now!
[00:57] <sileni> when is the next release of ubuntu coming out ?
[00:57] <keldrum> sooo excited! just a couple hours left!
[00:57] <sileni> for what?
[00:58] <cwillu> alexi, http://jdbausch.blogspot.com/2011_01_01_archive.html is basically what you need
[00:58] <cwillu> alexi, just substitute your numbers and such
[00:58] <Chotaz> Is it possible to upgrade to 11.10 already?
[00:59] <sileni> i heard the next release of ubuntu is coming out very soon.. but i don't see anything on the website
[00:59] <sileni> Chotaz: is that the next release of ubuntu?
[00:59] <JoseP> It's not out yet
[00:59] <sileni> Chotaz: when is it supposed to come out ?
[01:00] <Chotaz> sileni, 13th
[01:00] <sileni> sorry the title says tommorow , i should read better
[01:00] <sileni> Chotaz: 13th where? US, Africa,India?
[01:00] <Chotaz> sileni,  no idea
[01:01] <hunter_> chotaz: whats up
[01:02] <recon69_lap> alexi:  in  /etc/rc.local maybe
[01:02] <Chotaz> hunter_, how can I upgrade to 11.10?
[01:02] <systemonkey> question: if system load is at 13 and cpu utilization is only around 10%, what is the usual cause?
[01:02] <RobotBot> it's not out yet Chotaz
[01:03] <hunter_> chotaz: do you know how to open the update manager?
[01:03] <Chotaz> hunter_, i have it open right now
[01:03] <hunter_> chotaz: what is you curent version?
[01:04] <Chotaz> hunter_, natty
[01:04] <Chotaz> 11.04
[01:05] <recon69_lap> probably get busy in here after the update :)
[01:05] <hunter_> chotaz: thats the only new one out 11.10 has not yet been released
[01:05] <DangerOnTheRangr> How can I get the number of packages a PPA hosts?
[01:05] <Chotaz> hunter_, thanks :)
[01:06] <hunter_> chotaz:no prob i can only run 10.10
[01:08] <jeangray> Hi, I have a question, has anyone enconouterd the hdmi problem on ubuntu 10.10?
[01:08] <jeangray> i can't seem to connect my external monitor on my laptop via hdmi
[01:08] <MACscr> is there really not any type of rdp server that comes with ubuntu?
[01:08] <MACscr> everything ive seen seems to be a mess of a setup
[01:09] <DangerOnTheRangr> MACscr: Have you looked at VNC?
[01:09] <RichTUK> jeangray: in the monitor preferences can you see see the ext monitor
[01:09] <mydogsnameisrudy> jeangray,  it might be a funtion of your laptop
[01:09] <flummy_> MACscr: or tightvnc?
[01:09] <MACscr> yep, but there are like a dozen different implementations of it and i just want something that pretty much works out of the box
[01:10] <flummy_> MACscr: traditionally, we used the X11 windowing system since the late 80s for remote graphical clients
[01:10] <sileni> MACscr: vnc basically works out of the box
[01:10] <jeangray> mydogsnameisrudy: a function on my laptop?
[01:10] <flummy_> i think bill gates was just about to write basic at that time
[01:10] <recon69_lap> jeangray: have you being restarting x after you connect hdmi , think thats necessary
[01:10] <Shatters> hey, you guys think that if I went out and got a random old set of hardware originally running like windows 95 that it could support linux 11?
[01:10] <sileni> Shatters: linux 11?
[01:10] <jeangray> recon69_lap: i just tried that, it didnt owrk
[01:10] <DangerOnTheRangr> Shatters: Probably so, but your mileage may vary
[01:10] <hunter_> anyone still have 10.10?
[01:10] <flummy_> Shatters: kernel 0.98c came out 1993
[01:11] <mydogsnameisrudy> Fn + F8 maybe
[01:11] <RichTUK> Shatters: whats the hardware? ram and cpu etc?
[01:11] <jeangray> mydogsnameisrudy: I tried that aswell, doesn't seem to be working, also its not showing up in my monitor prefernces
[01:12] <mydogsnameisrudy> k
[01:12] <jeangray> does it have to do anything with my drivers?
[01:12] <RichTUK> on 256 ram and a low cpu you could run OS's like Mint LXDE no problem shatters
[01:12] <flummy_> i used to run an X server and a mozilla browser on 4 megabytes of ram :)
[01:13] <xangua> RichTUK: or lubuntu, since this is the ubuntu channel ;)
[01:13] <recon69_lap> jeangray, you sure the cable is sound, connections can be dodgy sometimes
[01:13] <midlothian> So when's the release?
[01:13] <RichTUK> xangua: well i said "an OS like...) so didnt see the problem, but yeah
[01:13] <xangua> midlothian: can't read the topic¿
[01:13] <flummy_> midlothian: |<--------------------->| that far away
[01:13] <jeangray> recon69_lap: all im trying to do is extend my laptop onto an external monitor, the hdmi DOES show up in the sound prefernces but not in the video preferences
[01:13] <Shatters> Intel Pentium 233MMX, 64 Meg Memory
[01:13] <hunter_> how much ram do yall have
[01:14] <hunter_> ?
[01:14] <DangerOnTheRangr> 4GB
[01:14] <Shatters> 2.0 GB hard drive
[01:14] <hunter_> i have 18gb
[01:14] <Chotaz> hunter_, why?
[01:14] <jeangray> do you think i need to install the ati/amd proprietary fglrx graphics driver?
[01:14] <flummy_> Shatters: you would need a linux distribution from the later 90s for that :P
[01:14] <hunter_> chotaz: why what?
[01:14] <xangua> jeangray: if you have an ati/amd card yes¿
[01:15] <xangua> !lubuntu | flummy_ Shatters
[01:15] <midlothian> ah.
[01:15] <jeangray> xangua: i have installed it before but the thing is when i reboot, it just hangs
[01:15] <flummy_> xangua: you seem to be a bit nervous
[01:15] <jeangray> xangua: thats the only reason why i haven't installed it again
[01:16] <hunter_> chotaz:?
[01:16] <Shatters> so in terms of how many years back in time with regards to hardware that could support ubuntu 11, maybe 10 years back or to 2000?
[01:16] <flummy_> Shatters: how much ram did we have in 2000
[01:17] <flummy_> 256 MB?
[01:17] <DangerOnTheRangr> Shatters: For something that old, I'd use Xubuntu
[01:17] <flummy_> or more like 128MB?
[01:17] <recon69_lap> jeangray: trying to remember how i set mine up, but just drawing a blank it was so long ago
[01:17] <RichTUK> 128
[01:17] <mydogsnameisrudy> DSL
[01:17] <flummy_> Shatters: libraries and binaries have grown to 100 times their 2000s size today
[01:17] <RichTUK> oh flummy_ i think he said 64,b
[01:18] <jeangray> recon69_lap: thanks for your help, did you happen to install the proprietary driver for your graphics card inorder for it to work?
[01:18] <RichTUK> mb*
[01:18] <aeon-ltd> there are probably arm variants that run on less than 128mb
[01:18] <flummy_> RichTUK: he was asking about 2000
[01:18] <flummy_> i don't think 64 MiB was typical in 2000
[01:18] <flummy_> maybe for a router
[01:18] <mendota> so........what does it mean if a boot disc won't start installation or start live mode?
[01:19] <flummy_> mendota: it means you will die a violent premature death
[01:19] <RichTUK> flummy_: he said 64mb memory when he said the spec, thats all im saying
[01:19] <mendota> flummy_ i worried as much, lol
[01:19] <flummy_> RichTUK: i did read that, but he was asking about 2000 later on
[01:19] <hegemon> Xubuntu seems to need a bit more ram than Lubuntu, 192min (512 recommended) vs 128min
[01:19] <recon69_lap> jeangray: i got the proprietary drivers installed
[01:19] <mendota> flummy_ i think i've got a bad ide/sata controller? idk. this little refurbish can see hdd in BIOS, but can't boot them or install to them...
[01:19] <MACscr> flummy_: and DangerOnTheRangr: All the vnc4server or tightvncserver tutorials seem to have bash scripts for config or startup on boot. Seems ridiculous that this type of configuration is needed for a basic install
[01:20] <flummy_> mendota: most unusual
[01:20] <jeangray> see the thing is, when i install the proprietary drivers for my laptop, restarting would just give me a boot hang and i wouldnt know what to do after
[01:20] <jeangray> does anyone else encounter that problem?
[01:20] <DangerOnTheRangr> MACscr: Does it matter that they have BASH scripts? It makes them more configurable, and you rarely need to modify them anyway
[01:20] <jeangray> and im talking about the proprietary drivers for the graphics card
[01:21] <mendota> jeangray: what part of the boot sequence does it hang?
[01:21] <flummy_> MACscr: i usually just start x11vnc in a running x-session and connect to it from another system by starting xtightvncviewer, no scripting involved
[01:21] <MACscr> DangerOnTheRangr: i dont care if they are bash, but the install instructions seem to ask me to create files in place X or copy to Y, etc
[01:21] <flummy_> MACscr: maybe you should improve on your google skills
[01:21] <jeangray> mendota: basically after i choose which kernal to run, it just stays black
[01:21] <MACscr> flummy_: im a google ninja, so i know thats not the problem
[01:21] <mendota> jeangray: yeah...that's not good
[01:22] <mendota> none of the kernal options work, jeangray?
[01:22] <DangerOnTheRangr> MACscr: That's not that hard to do, and it's one-time only
[01:22] <flummy_> MACscr: well then just type x11vnc on one end and xtightvncviewer hostname on the other end :)
[01:22] <jeangray> mondota: from the last time i remember, not even the recovery loaded
[01:22] <mendota> jeangray: and this started after installing new drivers?
[01:22] <cypha> what's ubuntu-minimal?
[01:22] <jeangray> mendota: yes
[01:22] <cypha> i tried removing vim-tiny, and it's telling me ubuntu-minimal requires it
[01:23] <mendota> jeangray: and, i have to ask, you're sure you got software from a trusted source?
[01:23] <flummy_> cypha: we are now all trying very hard not to inquire WHY you tried to remove vim-tiny
[01:23] <jeangray> mendota: im downloaiding it right off the additional drivers from ubuntu
[01:23] <jeangray> mendota: i hope thats trusted
[01:23] <cypha> flummy_, cuz I was installing full vim instead
[01:23] <mendota> jeangray: well that's weird then. ubuntu repos should be pretty safe
[01:23] <flummy_> cypha: in which order?
[01:24] <cypha> removing first
[01:24] <flummy_> cypha: wrong order
[01:24] <jeangray> well im going to try installing the one from the amd graphics website
[01:24] <jeangray> ill see what happens
[01:24] <mendota> jeangray: but i've also heard of boot-sector viruses, especially today in my own troubleshooting
[01:24] <Shatters> Hmm, is there a good resource for downloading lots and lots of drivers to install to persistent usb to make it more adaptable to different (esp older) systems?
[01:24] <jeangray> mendota: boot-sector virsues?
[01:24] <mendota> jeangray: yeah, proprietary is okay to try too.
[01:24] <flummy_> cypha: but you probably noticed that by now :P
[01:24] <mendota> jeangray: i've got a laptop that won't boot HDD, and that was one cause tossed around in old forum posts
[01:24] <cypha> ah ok
[01:25] <cypha> flummy_, so what's ubuntu-minimal?
[01:25] <flummy_> cypha: a good question :)
[01:25] <hunter_> anyone know how to set up a graphics card over a motherboard port in the start menu??
[01:25] <flummy_> cypha: sounds like the minimal set of packages required for a valid setup
[01:25] <cypha> ah ok
[01:25] <flummy_> ii  ubuntu-minimal 1.220          Minimal core of Ubuntu
[01:25] <kogie> bare installation
[01:25] <jeangray> mendota: oh okay, yeahwell ill come back and hopefully everything will be working, thank you for your help
[01:25] <flummy_> cypha: you can't have NO editor on a unix system, can you :)
[01:26] <cypha> flummy_, even after installing vim, I can't uninstall vim-tiny
[01:26] <mendota> jeangray: no problem. good luck and everything
[01:26] <flummy_> cypha: mhm
[01:26] <Shatters> there's one machine I would like to try a usb on that has xp installed on it, but it seems to barely run. system settings are very restrictive, so i cant view a lot of tech specs. I just know the hd is 40 gb. ram probably 1gb
[01:26] <urlin2u> cypha, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[01:27] <Shatters> but it won't usb boot ubuntu 10.
[01:27] <hunter_> ??
[01:27] <enchilado> cypha: I don't actually have a clue what I'm talking about, but an idea: could it be because vim-tiny is set as your default editor?
[01:27] <cypha> so will ubuntu 11.10 show up at midnight?
[01:27] <flummy_> $ sudo aptitude remove vim-tiny
[01:27] <flummy_> The following packages have unmet dependencies: ubuntu-minimal: Depends: vim-tiny but it is not going to be installed.
[01:28] <cypha> ypu
[01:28] <cypha> yup
[01:28] <urlin2u> cypha, it is available right now
[01:28] <flummy_> The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
[01:28] <flummy_> Remove the following packages:
[01:28] <flummy_> 1)     ubuntu-minimal
[01:28] <cypha> that's what I got
[01:28] <cypha> not sure where to set default editor
[01:28] <FloodBot1> cypha: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:28] <flummy_> Removing vim-tiny ...
[01:28] <cypha> I got a floodbot message and you didn't
[01:28] <flummy_> hehe
[01:28] <cypha> wtf is this world coming to
[01:28] <enchilado> eh
[01:28] <enchilado> how was that flooding?
[01:28] <Shatters> lol
[01:28] <flummy_> i don't usually help people
[01:29] <Shatters> gotta try this tails out now. laters
[01:29] <flummy_> so i'm not familiar with antiflood regulations :)
[01:29] <DangerOnTheRangr> FloodBot has its wires crossed :)
[01:29] <MACscr> flummy_: Didnt seem to work for me out of the box. http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=mc3cMa28
[01:29] <keldrum> urlin2u - where is it available now?
[01:29] <urlin2u> 3 or posts in a row triggers the bot, don't use enter for punctuation is the basic message
[01:29] <urlin2u> keldrum, the daily cd
[01:30] <keldrum> but still only beta :-)
[01:30] <MACscr> heck, the system already has a user password, so why the heck need a separate one for vnc?
[01:30] <flummy_> MACscr: did you start x11vnc as the user of the running X11 session, AND from a terminal within the running X11 session?
[01:30] <urlin2u> keldrum, I doubt much different then the final. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[01:31] <keldrum> urlin2u - your right of course...it's just different in my head!
[01:31] <root_runner> hi there
[01:31] <urlin2u> keldrum, no changes as of now unless there is a big flub so it is basically the same
[01:31] <flummy_> MACscr: x11vnc wants to be usable as a tool even if you don't know the password of the user on a long-running session
[01:31] <urlin2u> hehe
[01:31] <Jetrii> How would I go about creating a bootable flash drive of the Ubuntu ISO from a different Linux distro? I tried dd but it couldn't boot off the drive
[01:32] <grayley> @Jetrii try downloading unetbootin, works pretty well for me
[01:32] <urlin2u> Jetrii, use unetbootin
[01:32] <Jetrii> unetbootin is broken, it doesn't show any USB devices
[01:32] <Jetrii> At least not on this machine.
[01:32] <MACscr> flummy_: i dont even know what x11 is and im running started it from a ssh connection. I dont have any gui access on this remote system right now, though gnome-desktop is installed and working
[01:32] <grayley> @jetrii, are you running it as superuser?
[01:32] <Jetrii> grayley: yes
[01:32] <ortuna> jetrii: look into grub-install after, dd
[01:33] <MACscr> flummy_: remote desktop access just seems basic that im just surprised ubuntu hasnt created something that was more easy to work with from a home user standpoint
[01:33] <urlin2u> Jetrii, try multisystem.  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[01:33] <flummy_> MACscr: i don't know what seems to you, but i'm using remote desktops on unix since the late 80s :)
[01:34] <Jetrii> ortuna: installing grub onto the flash drive? I'll give that a shot after multisystem. urlin2u, thanks, I'll check it out
[01:34] <flummy_> (without any problems)
[01:34] <MACscr> flummy_: i didnt say it wasnt possible to get it to work, i just said its not available by default or works with a simple single click install like it should
[01:34] <flummy_> MACscr: maybe you need a ipad2
[01:34] <MACscr> hell, apache even works out of the box
[01:35] <flummy_> i apologize for my last message :P
[01:36] <flummy_> MACscr: what about applications>internet>remote desktop viewer
[01:36] <MACscr> the whole point of ubuntu is to have a more usable OS out of the box or at least easier to use than other *nix distros, right?
[01:36] <MACscr> flummy_: viewer?
[01:36] <flummy_> MACscr: and system>preferences>remote desktop for the other end
[01:36] <MACscr> i need the server to work, vnc clients are easy to use
[01:36] <flummy_> i never used those, though
[01:36] <LytesOfSpartra> How do I log in as root in terminal?
[01:36] <LytesOfSpartra> I'm new to Ubuntu
[01:37] <nocilis> LytesOfSpartra: su
[01:37] <cwillu> sudo -s
[01:37] <flummy_> LytesOfSpartra: i think ubuntu wants to keep the root account locked,
[01:37] <cwillu> su is just silly
[01:37] <flummy_> for reasons not holding scientific review
[01:37] <DangerOnTheRangr> nocilis: I don't think su really works in Ubuntu
[01:37] <LytesOfSpartra> I did that
[01:37] <nocilis> DangerOnTheRangr what?
[01:37] <Roasted> When I open nautilus, it defaults to my main monitor. Once I double click on a folder, it defaults to the other monitor. Is there a way to keep it from switching?
[01:37] <LytesOfSpartra> and it says authentication failuter
[01:37] <xangua> !root | LytesOfSpartra
[01:37] <flummy_> LytesOfSpartra: but you can set a root password. i will probably get a permban for this advice, tough.
[01:37] <cwillu> LytesOfSpartra, and then you type in your user password (not the root password)
[01:37] <padhu> LytesOfSpartra: what about sudo su -
[01:37] <DangerOnTheRangr> nocilis: Try it and see what happens :)
[01:37] <MACscr> flummy_: well i actually am running mac on the other end, but that shouldnt really matter as vnc clients are available for osx as well
[01:38] <LytesOfSpartra> yeah
[01:38] <LytesOfSpartra> that works
[01:38] <nocilis> i was able to get it to work once, by changing the root password
[01:38] <LytesOfSpartra> sudo su works
[01:38] <LytesOfSpartra> su is not a command
[01:38] <FloodBot1> LytesOfSpartra: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:38] <LytesOfSpartra> ahh yes sudo su is the correct way
[01:38] <LytesOfSpartra> They must have changed it
[01:38] <flummy_> MACscr: may i ask again - did you start x11vnc from whitin a x11 session, as the user owning that x11 session?
[01:38] <LytesOfSpartra> Before it was su
[01:38] <dr_willis> sudo su is redundant. and not really 'correct'  :) sudo -s or sudo -i ....
[01:38] <BluebirdShao> LytesOfSpartra: padhu give you the answer.
[01:38] <nocilis> i liked su..
[01:38] <flummy_> sudo and su have a long history of security problems
[01:38] <ahhughes> how can I determine what's added an additional ~4mins to my boot time?
[01:38] <LytesOfSpartra> no..
[01:39] <MACscr> flummy_: as i already mentioned, im only connected right now through ssh and i dont reall know anything about x11
[01:39] <LytesOfSpartra> sudo su is the correct way
[01:39] <dr_willis> LytesOfSpartra:  it may 'work' but its not 'correct'
[01:39] <DangerOnTheRangr> Why not sudo bash?
[01:39] <flummy_> MACscr: you would need to add an MIT-magic-cookie to the xauthority file of the running server
[01:39] <MonkeyDust> what's the command line to suspend a pc, other than s2disk or s2ram?
[01:39] <LytesOfSpartra> su wont work
[01:39] <LytesOfSpartra> it says authentication failure
[01:39] <dr_willis> http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/05/09/a-root-shell-on-ubuntu-the-right-way/
[01:39] <LytesOfSpartra> so sudo su works
[01:39] <flummy_> MACscr: but thats probably a disabled feature nowadays
[01:39] <DangerOnTheRangr> LytesOfSpartra: That's what we've been trying to tell you :)
[01:40] <dr_willis> LytesOfSpartra:  su dosent work on ubuntu by default to go to root....
[01:40] <LytesOfSpartra> oh
[01:40] <dr_willis> sudo -i   is the normal proper way to get a root shell.
[01:40] <flummy_> dr_willis: says who?
[01:40] <dr_willis> flummy_:  see above url for info.
[01:40] <MACscr> flummy_: see, there are multiple places that have to be configured just to get this to work
[01:41] <flummy_> dr_willis: ok, i don't really care about ubuntu policy :)
[01:41] <nocilis> flummy_ the man page for sudo
[01:41] <dr_willis> flummy_:  it can also 'not work like it should' when you do sudo su. or sudo bash, or other ways
[01:41] <flummy_> MACscr: you want to add remote access control to an already running system - REMOTELY
[01:41] <dr_willis> it depends on your setup/enviroment.
[01:41] <flummy_> MACscr: don't complain if you find that hard :)
[01:42] <flummy_> dr_willis: sudo is a security risk.
[01:42] <flummy_> given its poor coding.
[01:42] <dr_willis> flummy_:  cant say ive ever really seen that argument..
[01:42] <nocilis> flummy_ i don't see how that could be true for the average desktop user
[01:42] <flummy_> sudo vulnerability
[01:42] <nocilis> flummy_ perhaps for a server admin
[01:42] <flummy_> About 687,000 results (0.18 seconds)
[01:42] <nocilis> flummy_ but then they should know better anyway.
[01:43] <dr_willis> vs kernel vunularibities.. or flash security risks.. i doubt if its much of a risk
[01:43] <HannibalW> Hey!
[01:43] <flummy_> well, it's my job to judge unix security risks :)
[01:43] <dr_willis> vs the 50,000 login attempts i saw on this box the other day trying to login as root... i will stick with using sudo.
[01:43] <BigOldCar> Hello, people.
[01:43] <HannibalW> here's the milk, boys! who has cookies? :-)
[01:44] <HannibalW> Hey, I need some help over here...
[01:44] <dr_willis> HannibalW:  and the problem is?
[01:44] <BluebirdShao> HannibalW: just ask, not ask to ask.
[01:44] <HannibalW> You 'll see. I just want to download Ubuntu 11.10!!!
[01:45] <Jetrii> ortuna, going to give grub on the flash drive a try. multisystem didn't work
[01:45] <xangua> HannibalW: read the topic
[01:45] <flummy_> dr_willis: you might consider denyhosts and friends
[01:45] <HannibalW> but... where do I download it from?
[01:45] <Guest37475> is it fairly easy to migrate a freshly but operational LAMP environment (apache2) on ubuntu 11.04 into a chroot?
[01:45] <padhu> HannibalW: Wait for few hours, release will be within 27 hours.....
[01:45] <dr_willis> flummy_:  allready got them installed.. but after i just moved the port no more attempts :) at least none yet.
[01:45] <BigOldCar> Can someone help me with a video resolution issue in 10.04?  My PC has a mach64 card that worked in Hardy with some tweaking to xorg.conf, but that's no longer present and as installed I can only get 800x600.  I need 1280x720!
[01:45] <LytesOfSpartra> hey guys
[01:46] <LytesOfSpartra> so sudo su is the correct way to log in as root interminal?
[01:46] <LytesOfSpartra> in terminal*
[01:46] <nocilis> HannibalW Ubuntu.com says the latest is 11.04, doesn't look like it's out yet
[01:46] <padhu> HannibalW: urgent, go on with release candidate
[01:46] <flummy_> LytesOfSpartra: in unix, there are many ways.
[01:46] <nocilis> LytesOfSpartra or sudo -i
[01:46] <LytesOfSpartra> I tried su
[01:46] <ubuntuserveruser> sudo -i or sudo -s
[01:46] <HannibalW> That's the bloomin problem! I just DONT want to wait!
[01:46] <LytesOfSpartra> but it does not work anymore for Ubuntu
[01:46] <LytesOfSpartra> IT says that authentication failed
[01:47] <dr_willis> LytesOfSpartra:  clarify what does not work any more...
[01:47] <HannibalW> doesn't it happen to be like Firefox's ftp's?
[01:47] <nocilis> LytesOfSpartra Ubuntu is a bit different than other distros
[01:47] <ubuntuserveruser> is it fairly easy to migrate a freshly but operational LAMP environment (apache2) on ubuntu 11.04 into a chroot?
[01:47] <LytesOfSpartra> well I type in to terminal
[01:47] <dr_willis> LytesOfSpartra:  you do NOT use just 'su' normally
[01:47] <LytesOfSpartra> oh
[01:47] <LytesOfSpartra> well on Arch Linux
[01:47] <HannibalW> where you can download previous hours before the release?
[01:47] <LytesOfSpartra> I used to type su
[01:47] <LytesOfSpartra> and it worked
[01:47] <FloodBot1> LytesOfSpartra: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:47] <flummy_> LytesOfSpartra: but you can easily adjust it as you like
[01:47] <dr_willis> LytesOfSpartra:  this is not arch linux.
[01:47] <DangerOnTheRangr> HannibalW: You could download the minimal CD, but then you'll have to install a lot of extra packages once you install Ubuntu
[01:47] <LytesOfSpartra> I know that. I'm using Ubunt 64 bit now
[01:47] <nocilis> LytesOfSpartra take a look: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[01:47] <dr_willis> LytesOfSpartra:  so you should use 'sudo -i' to get a root sshell when needed. or just use 'sudo' as needed
[01:48] <LytesOfSpartra> ok
[01:48] <Jetrii> When using dd to copy an Ubuntu iso to a flash drive, should I be copying it directly to the base (/dev/sde) or a partition (/dev/sde1)?
[01:48] <dr_willis> LytesOfSpartra:  su can change to other users. but not to root on a default ubuntu setup/
[01:48] <LytesOfSpartra> when Itype in su
[01:48] <flummy_> the information in that article is very wrong
[01:48] <ubuntuserveruser> I have a brand new forum setup in LAMP (apache2) ubuntu 11.04 I need to chroot jail the setup
[01:48] <LytesOfSpartra> oh
[01:48] <LytesOfSpartra> ok
[01:48] <Jockelhansi> hi
[01:48] <LytesOfSpartra> So Su will not make you root
[01:48] <dr_willis> Jetrii:  what version are you copyin to usb?
[01:48] <flummy_> he unix super user is not named Root, he is named root.
[01:48] <flummy_> +t
[01:48] <nocilis> LytesOfSpartra not on Ubuntu, no
[01:48] <dr_willis> LytesOfSpartra:  not on a default ubuntu install..
[01:48] <urlin2u> Jetrii, partiton
[01:48] <LytesOfSpartra> ohh allrite that clears it up
[01:49] <Jetrii> dr_willis: 11.10
[01:49] <Jockelhansi> im using pcoslinux and want to change the frame frequenz up to 100 hz. only 60 hz is available. can anybody help`?
[01:49] <LytesOfSpartra> so if i want to install a package from terminal I type sudo su and then sudo apt-get?
[01:49] <padhu> LytesOfSpartra: what is your eequirement? why are you asking about root user?
[01:49] <nocilis> LytesOfSpartra just sudo apt-get
[01:49] <dr_willis> Jetrii:  you dd to /dev/sdb or whatever then. not sdb1
[01:49] <padhu> requirement*
[01:49] <Jetrii> urlin2u: I was afraid you'd say that... I already tried that without any luck... Grub is already installed to it
[01:49] <LytesOfSpartra> do I need to login as rroot nicilis?
[01:49] <nocilis> LytesOfSpartra sudo executes a single command as root, sudo su gives you a shell to enter multiple commands
[01:49] <LytesOfSpartra> root*
[01:49] <dr_willis> Jetrii:  the other tools at pendrivelinux and so forth should work also. or setup grub2 to boot the ISO file.
[01:49] <HannibalW> oh, dear lord [satan]!!! I I want to download the 11.10 final release, not the minimal, or the RC... WHat I mean is: is there any FTP or Torrent where I can get the final Ubuntu 11.10, hours before it appears in the Ubuntu site? I mean, those Iso files must be already uploaded somewhere, right???
[01:50] <urlin2u> Jetrii, sde you could install grub to anyway.
[01:50] <dr_willis> LytesOfSpartra:  i rarely need to actually have a root 'shell' i just use sudo as needed.
[01:50] <flummy_> LytesOfSpartra: after proper consideration, you could also set a root password and become root with su -
[01:50] <xangua> !ubuntu+1 | HannibalW
[01:50] <nocilis> LytesOfSpartra: read the webpage: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[01:50] <kydan> hey guys ive got what I suspect is a permissions issue with Wordpress. I am getting following error The uploaded file could not be moved to /srv/www/chelsie/wordpress/wp-content/uploads. I am running wordpress on a LAMP stack and currently it is not public facing. In an effort to figure out whats up I have chmod -R 777 the /srv/www dir to try to figure out what the heck is going on but even that does not solve my issue. Any ideas?
[01:50] <urlin2u> Jetrii, what is the OS your doing all this from?
[01:50] <hdon> hi guys :) has anyone tried installing MSWindows on a machine with GNU/Linux installed on the only HDD? will MSWindows try to fight over the MBR or my partition table? any tips would be helpful thanks :) links to articles are good too
[01:51] <ubuntuserveruser> does anyone have any experience chrooting a LAMP setup already in operation?
[01:51] <Jetrii> Mint Linux Debian... Was giving it a shot but it's been pretty buggy on my machine
[01:51] <nocilis> hdon i did that, just make sure you install ubuntu second
[01:51] <Jockelhansi> ?nobody answering questions about pcoslinux?;) Would be realy nice.
[01:51] <dr_willis> !fixgrub | hdon
[01:51] <hdon> nocilis, ah ok. that sucks :(
[01:51] <nocilis> hdon windows fights everything that is already there
[01:51] <kydan> hdon: it will, install win first then linux if at all ossible
[01:51] <dr_willis> Jockelhansi:  they most likely have their own support channels. Not here.
[01:51] <hdon> thanks everyone :)
[01:51] <padhu> LytesOfSpartra: documents.ubuntu.com have an great documents. Just read it on your spare time. It is good place to start learning
[01:51] <nocilis> hdon sure
[01:51] <urlin2u> Jetrii, must be if unetbootin is not working or the multisystem loader both are rock dolid
[01:51] <urlin2u> solid*
[01:52] <Jockelhansi> dr-willis i asked there but only 20 people in it. nobody talking about anything so i guess nobody realy following the chat there
[01:52] <Jetrii> urlin2u:  multisystem fails with an error (claiming it does't have root privileges even when it does and unetbootin is just dead... Ubuntu never gave me this much trouble :D
[01:53] <LytesOfSpartra> http://i51.tinypic.com/2ijhisg.png
[01:53] <LytesOfSpartra> this is what I mean
[01:53] <dr_willis> Jockelhansi:   sounds like one reason to not use that disrto. but check the homepage of that disrto. could be they are on soime other irc server.
[01:53] <flummy_> whoops
[01:53] <flummy_> i thought i was on ubuntu-release-party
[01:53] <kogie> kydan: try to change max_upload on php.ini and see what happen
[01:53] <HannibalW> Hell... support here sucks. I know it's voluntary (thanks 4 that, guise!) but I rather pay support for Windows (and a Windows License too) only to solve my problems in 5 minutes. Busy people will never use Linux. That's a truth. And it sucks...
[01:53] <Jockelhansi> no its the right one. thats what i did
[01:53] <LytesOfSpartra> It says invalid operation wine?
[01:53] <LytesOfSpartra> why is that?
[01:53] <xangua> HannibalW: you can pay support to canonical
[01:53] <urlin2u> Jetrii, look in media in the mint for an extra bootloader that s what happens with multisystem
[01:53] <urlin2u> remove it
[01:54] <recon69_lap>   kydan: have you looked for reasons why file could not be moved/created ,dir permissions perhaps.
[01:54] <dr_willis> HannibalW:  ppeople seem to thhink 'support' is 'hand hold me so i dont need to read basic docs'  .. but whatever..
[01:54] <nocilis> LytesOfSpartra you need to use "sudo apt-get install wine"
[01:54] <kydan> kogie: currently set to 128mb
[01:54] <nocilis> LytesOfSpartra you forgot to tell it you wanted wine installed
[01:54] <kogie> kydan: sudo chmod -R /dir
[01:54] <BigOldCar> With 10.04, can I cause X to generate an xorg.conf file that it will then obey?
[01:54] <kogie> 777
[01:54] <kydan> recon69_lap: I have, to test permissions I just set everything to an underprivilaged user at chmod to 777 then tried touch, cp, mv, rm and it all worked just fine
[01:54] <Jetrii> urlin2u: Turns out that multisystem fails when launched from the terminal but runs fine when opened from the Gnome menu... Very weird
[01:54] <BigOldCar> With 10.04, can I cause X to generate an xorg.conf file that it will then obey?  So that I can then change resolutions?  Stuck at 800x600
[01:55] <Jetrii> Despite being the same command
[01:55] <hdon> one more question: can i partition my HDD in the MSWindows installer?
[01:55] <nocilis> hdon I don't think so
[01:55] <kydan> hdon: i would suggest doing it with gparted, but I believe you can.
[01:55] <dr_willis> hdon:  you can. but it cant make ext2/3/4 so its  beest to do that in a linux os. or linux live cd.
[01:55] <HannibalW> dr_willis: For me, support is: I'm not a bloody nerd and I dont want to be one. I have business to run, and I dont have time: solve my problem!
[01:55] <urlin2u> Jetrii, cool the only other thing I have found with multisystem is it wants grub to format the thumb, if you have any more problems.
[01:55] <hdon> i prefer fdisk
[01:55] <hdon> i've installed MSWindows in the past but don't remember being asked to partition
[01:56] <dr_willis> HannibalW:  and i dont even recalls seeing you stateing a problem.. but i have to go to my real job now.
[01:56] <LytesOfSpartra> ok
[01:56] <nocilis> hdon depends on the version maybe?
[01:56] <urlin2u> not grub gpartred Jetrii
[01:56] <LytesOfSpartra> so what do I type?
[01:56] <hdon> nocilis, probably
[01:56] <kydan> hdon: it does, right off the bat, but its super simple
[01:56] <nocilis> LytesOfSpartra "sudo apt-get install wine" without quotes
[01:56] <Jetrii> urlin2u: Thanks for all the help. Should be fine now (hopefully)
[01:56] <dr_willis> bbl.
[01:56] <nocilis> LytesOfSpartra why aren't using the Ubuntu Software Manager?
[01:56] <LytesOfSpartra> ok
[01:56] <LytesOfSpartra> works
[01:56] <LytesOfSpartra> thanks
[01:57] <hdon> kydan, awesome thanks :)
[01:57] <nocilis> LytesOfSpartra noproblem
[01:57] <qin> HannibalW: http://releases.ubuntu.com/oneiric/ Goodbye and goodluck.
[01:57] <scottj> anyone know a game that runs on linux, doesn't require much thinking, and is a cycle of short period of action followed by a longer period of waiting? (like a counter-strike)
[01:57] <flummy_> 03:55 < HannibalW> dr_willis: For me, support is: I'm not a bloody nerd and I  dont want to be one. I have business to run, and I dont have  time: solve my problem!
[01:57] <nocilis> scottj do you want an fps or an rts or what?
[01:58] <xangua> scottj: teeworlds ;) 2d shootings
[01:58] <flummy_> Hawkwind: well, maybe you find another business owner who is willing to take your money for that
[01:58] <nocilis> scottj I would recommend 20,000 Light Years Into Space
[01:58] <scottj> nocilis: anything the round based nature with plenty of waiting is important
[01:58] <flummy_> Hawkwind: otherwise you have the free software warranty: if it breaks, you may keep both parts
[01:58] <qin> scottj: It is simple, Counter-Strike (or native urban Terror)
[01:58] <nocilis> scottj not an fps, more rts
[01:58] <scottj> qin: well other than cs :)
[01:59] <kogie> kydan: may i ask if you already check if /upload exist?
[01:59] <nocilis> scottj otherwise perhaps Tremulous? Waiting isn't mandatory, but you can choose to wait however long between respawns
[01:59] <joe__> :)
[01:59] <flummy_> he doesn't want to keep both parts
[01:59] <LytesOfSpartra> Why is my resolution still big
[01:59] <flummy_> i hope that was not too rude
[01:59] <crash1hd> Hey all, It seems that if I move the cd/dvd rom device to another sata port then the issue I am having of it locking up goes away (anyone in here that really understands hardware can explasin to me why that would be?) the mobo is ASUS F1A75-V Pro and it has 6Sata ports and 1 7pin sata port thats seperate I would have thought that the seperate one was for the cd rom type devices but thats the one that locks up)
[02:00] <LytesOfSpartra> I installed my graphics card
[02:00] <crash1hd> yet if I plugin a hdd to that port it works just fine
[02:00] <LytesOfSpartra> but for some reason its still big
[02:00] <LytesOfSpartra> why is that?
[02:00] <nocilis> LytesOfSpartra define "big"
[02:00] <carri0n> Anyone know what time 11.10 is released?
[02:00] <LytesOfSpartra> The icons are a bit big
[02:00] <Pici> carri0n: Oneiric is not yet released and there is no predetermined time on the 13th when it will be. Await the release in #ubuntu-release-party or for more questions join #ubuntu+1
[02:01] <nocilis> LytesOfSpartra on the desktop?
[02:01] <LytesOfSpartra> http://i56.tinypic.com/2wgsnds.png
[02:01] <LytesOfSpartra> this looks big right?
[02:01] <kydan> kogie: I doesnt atm, but it should be able to make, it. I have also tried making it and then trying it, the error I posted first is what you get when it does exist. the error when it doesnt says it cant make it. I think I may have found it though, I am running this as a vhost and the phpinfo that I just made for the site shows that max upload for that vhost is 2mb
[02:01] <nocilis> LytesOfSpartra umm no
[02:01] <LytesOfSpartra> oh
[02:01] <kydan> kogie: in the master php.ini its like 128, and I know that this is common solution to the issue, I just thought I had ruled it out.
[02:01] <LytesOfSpartra> is that the standard resolution?
[02:02] <nocilis> LytesOfSpartra how big is your monitor?
[02:02] <LytesOfSpartra> uhh
[02:02] <LytesOfSpartra> 19 inch
[02:02] <scottj> nocilis: have you seen other fps where you can set the respawn time?
[02:02] <LytesOfSpartra> is that ok?
[02:03] <joe__> I have Ubuntu 10.04 running and I cannot run or install a program called jgrasp (used to create/debug/compile java files). I have the java jdk installed.
[02:04] <hunter_> hey
[02:04] <Stanley00> !info jgrasp
[02:04] <scottj> xannen: teeworld looks cool, it has a good wait between respawning though?
[02:04] <flummy_> joe__: try to be more technical
[02:05] <flummy_> in your description
[02:05] <sdz> Is there an archive of this channel somewhere (just for the last month or so)?
[02:05] <xangua> !logs | sdz
[02:06] <smango> so is Oneiric appearing at midnight or some random time tomorrow afternoon?
[02:06] <joe__> ok, when I run jgrasp it says No such file or directory however I have executable permissions
[02:06] <flummy_> sdz: i don't consent to publication of my contributions, and assert my copyright according to austrian copyright and data protection laws
[02:06] <joe__> I even tried source jgrasp
[02:06] <MonkeyDust> sdz: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[02:06] <joe__> it said cannot execute binary file
[02:07] <Drecondius> anyone here that can possibly help me with a problem with apt
[02:07] <Drecondius> well the gui handler rather
[02:07] <flummy_> joe__: the file is not recognized as a program for your platform
[02:08] <flummy_> joe__: try file binaryfilename
[02:08] <flummy_> joe__: or view it in an editor
[02:08] <joe__> ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, stripped
[02:08] <joe__> looks like giberish in nano
[02:10] <joe__> I even tried java jgrasp (because I know it is a java file) and it said it found no main method
[02:10] <MonkeyDust>  
[02:10] <zaapiel> when is 11.10 going to be released
[02:10] <zaapiel> ?
[02:10] <flummy_> joe__: java bytecode binaries have to be fed into a java interpreter
[02:11] <flummy_> joe__: like in other, inferior operating systems
[02:11] <joe__> ah, sudo apt-get install which interpereter?
[02:11] <flummy_> joe__: man javac
[02:11] <flummy_> joe__: man java sorry
[02:11] <urlin2u> zaapiel, to much for you to google
[02:11] <flummy_> NAME java - the Java application launcher
[02:12] <gerzel> Anyone got a good bash scripting refrence?  I want to write a simple script to switch out two configuration folders.  I use ~.folder for the folder with the primary configuration and p.folder for the secondary.  I then simply rename the folder removing the p or ~ depending on which configuration I want to use.
[02:12] <joe__>  openjdk-6-jdk
[02:12] <joe__> I think I found it.
[02:12] <flummy_> joe__: openjdk is not runnung flawlessly for many applications, the sun/oracle jdk works better
[02:13] <joe__> Oh ok. I will try to find that in the software center
[02:13] <zaapiel> urlin2u, yes
[02:14] <flummy_> joe__: probably sun-java6-bin sub-java6-fonts sun-java6-jdk and so on
[02:14] <urlin2u> zaapiel, read the basic stuff on using the IRC it asks you to investigate before asking.
[02:15] <urlin2u> zaapiel, run /topic
[02:15] <zaapiel> urlin2u, ignored
[02:15] <zaapiel> when is 11.10 going to be released?
[02:15] <flummy_> joe__: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/packages/show/306583
[02:15] <xangua> zaapiel: read the topic as urlin2u said
[02:15] <urlin2u> the answer is there dunny
[02:15] <flummy_> joe__: the importand line is in the yellow box
[02:15] <flummy_> important
[02:16] <SIFTU> gerzel: what do you mean by reference
[02:16] <flummy_> another entrepreneur giving up on leenucks
[02:16] <flummy_> he really doesn't want to keep both parts
[02:17] <joe__> thank you flummy. you are awesome
[02:17] <gerzel> SIFTU; Well a good guide.  Need to figure out how to check for folders existing.
[02:18] <SIFTU> gerzel: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ
[02:18] <deebee_> joe__: to install it using apt-get, make sure you have uncommented the line to enable the partner repository in /etc/apt/sources.list and then do an apt-get update
[02:21] <Arcas> I'm trying to install nvidia drivers in 11.10 and anytime I try to kill Xorg it is immediately restarted. How can I kill Xorg and make sure it doesn't restart until I want it to?
[02:23] <alexove> Hello again
[02:24] <SIFTU> gerzel: more specifically you want the following page http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/TestsAndConditionals
[02:24] <th0r> Arcas: you kill the dispaly manager. For me (xfce/debian) it is 'service gdm stop', but I THINK 11.10 is using lightdm...but not sure
[02:24] <alexove> i had not luck in the openvpn channel
[02:24] <Arcas> right, but the Nvidia install package needs Xorg killed to install
[02:24] <alexove> :(
[02:25] <Arcas> not just the display manager, I tried that both ways even /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[02:25] <Arcas> no dice
[02:25] <coraxx> so veryone ...today is the 13th october ...does n e body know at what time today the oneiric-release becomes available for download ?
[02:25] <coraxx> *everyone
[02:25] <xangua> coraxx: when it's ready
[02:25] <xangua> !ubuntu+1
[02:26] <th0r> Arcas: are you sure it is gdm? Like i said, I think ubuntu is switching to lightdm
[02:26] <Arcas> I'll try that
[02:26] <th0r> Arcas: I would have hoped one of the ubuntu gurus would have stepped in by now with clarification
[02:26] <coraxx> xangua: no need to be a freshmouth
[02:27] <deebee_> alexove: they're definitely the people to help you with openvpn configuration
[02:28] <evemzee> has anyone managed to get ubuntu installed on a partition on the latest 2011 MacBook Pro 13 inches
[02:28] <evemzee> ?
[02:28] <th0r> Archtivity: check /etc/X11.default-display-manager
[02:29] <randomusr> hello, where can I find firmware for my devices? Looking for the location of wl firmware.
[02:29] <zromayn> hi all: is it just me, but in ubuntu 11.04 the /etc/resolv.conf file doesn't keep the settings across reboots.
[02:29] <hegemon> zromayn: That file is generated by network manager
[02:30] <sgashepp_> Hello?
[02:30] <alexove> i think is a iptables problem or something like
[02:30] <SetiAmon> anyone here experienced with dual monitors?
[02:30] <th0r> randomusr: /usr/local/lib/firmware?
[02:31] <zykotick9> !anyone | SetiAmon
[02:31] <hegemon> zromayn: You either need to set it in the network manager app or /etc/network/interfaces
[02:32] <randomusr> th0r, no such file or directory?
[02:33] <zromayn> hegemon: that's another issue i have with ubuntu desktop 11.04, if i attempt modifying the /etc/network/interfaces file, i lose network connectivity. I only get to configure the network by the gnome "edit connections..."
[02:33] <th0r> randomusr: I checked, that is where the firmware for my wifi card resides. You might find it in /usr/lib/firmware also.
[02:36] <sgashepp_> Hello. My new laptop has an led screen that auto dim on battery in windows. Is there a way to get that to work In Ubuntu?
[02:36] <joe040288> hello im having some trouble with a fresh ubuntu 10.04 install
[02:37] <joe040288> i was trying to force a resolution with the nvida driver but i seem to have totally messed up my xserver setting and i cant even get the linux repair boot to work now
[02:37] <joe040288> is there a way to reconfigure xserver from the live cd?
[02:38] <optidude> hey guys, can i ask a ?
[02:39] <optidude> was wondering how to shut off the log in screen?
[02:39] <delimax> permanently?
[02:39] <joe040288> go to mainmenu system login screen setting
[02:40] <joe040288> then login as "" automaticly
[02:40] <randomusr> #join aircrack-ng
[02:40] <sasy360> hey when is the 11.10 release date? 13th?
[02:40] <SIFTU> zromayn: are you sure network manager uses /etc/network/interfaces?
[02:41] <optidude> yes permanently
[02:42] <th0r> SIFTU: I think it is an either/or....if you program the interfaces file then nm will not attempt to configure the interface.
[02:42] <h00k> sasy360: /join #ubuntu+1
[02:42] <zromayn> siftu: i'm not saying that because i simply don't know. all I'm saying is that i cannot sudo nano or sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces file, for it will take my network connection down.
[02:42] <optidude> i am the only user, and new to ubuntu, and it times out when i watch videos and i have to log in all the time
[02:42] <SIFTU> th0r: thats what I always thought but someone in here convinced me otherwise
[02:43] <SIFTU> th0r: I'm back to believing network manager uses /etc/network/interfaces now :)
[02:43] <optidude> brb...checking on ubuntu upgrade to 11.04 :-)
[02:43] <th0r> SIFTU: interfaces will bring up a nic on bootup, whereas nm waits until you log in
[02:44] <SIFTU> th0r: yeah I use it on servers, but network and network-manager are 2 diff things
[02:45] <SIFTU> th0r: but I do believe it uses that, as I know it uses the hooks in /etc/network/if-up.d
[02:45] <sgashepp_> Please, could I be directed to where to find help?
[02:47] <th0r> sgashepp_: put your question here, on one line, and if someone knows they will answer
[02:47] <ryannathans> 11.10 out yet?
[02:47] <hunter_> ryannathan: nope
[02:47] <urlin2u> ryannathans, /topic gives the answer
[02:47] <ryannathans> how about now?
[02:47] <ryannathans> hm, it's due out today
[02:48] <sgashepp_> I did, My new laptop has an led screen that auto dim on battery in windows. Is there a way to get that to work In Ubuntu?
[02:48] <sgashepp_> I haven't found anything online, it must be a common problem.
[02:48] <crash1hd> hey all my 11.04 ubuntu wont reboot it will shutdown no problem but when I run reboot I see ubuntu and 2 red dots and 3 white dots?
[02:50] <CantWinn> Hello everyone
[02:50] <CantWinn> Just wondering if anyone has any XP with ATI and Ubuntu?
[02:51] <blackmoth> hi can anyone recommend a good power management tool for xubuntu?
[02:52] <ljsoftnet> blackmoth it already has
[02:53] <blackmoth> but i cant adjust like the cpu power usage?
[02:54] <ljsoftnet> blackmoth your on to overclocking?
[02:54] <xangua> !scaling | blackmoth
[02:54] <xangua> !cpufreq
[02:54] <xangua> agg what was¿!
[02:55] <blackmoth> nope...am trying to save as much battery during battery mode
[02:56] <ljsoftnet> blackmoth i dont know one
[02:56] <sgashepp_> this is similar to my problem, I dont understand why ubuntu eats so much power.
[02:56] <blackmoth> in ubuntu theres a tool that you can set the cpu power usage to in demand or high performance
[02:56] <ljsoftnet> sgashepp_ you can disable compiz to save power
[02:57] <blackmoth> but here in xubuntu theres none...also while using my laptop in windows 7 in battery mode my battery lifespan is like 1 hour 30mins
[02:57] <ljsoftnet> blackmoth a didn't know that im in xubuntu too
[02:57] <sgashepp_> considerably? because it dies almost 3 times as fast as win would.. :/
[02:58] <blackmoth> but in xubuntu its only up to 1 hour which is weird because xubuntu uses less resources
[02:58] <cypha> do we get 11.10 at midnight?
[02:58] <cypha> should I line up outside the bestbuy?
[02:58] <ljsoftnet> blackmoth try do disable compositing
[02:58] <blackmoth> how?
[02:59] <ryannathans> cypha: I keep askin
[02:59] <ljsoftnet> blackmoth Settings > Settings Manager
[02:59] <kevinh90> Hello, I have an iBook and I want to put linux on it
[02:59] <g33kyboii> whens 11.10 out?
[02:59] <kevinh90> is ubuntu ppc any good?
[02:59] <urlin2u> run /topic guys
[02:59] <g33kyboii> urlin2u, is it out now?
[03:00] <ljsoftnet> blackmoth Window Manager Tweaks > Compositing, tick Enable Compositing
[03:00] <xangua> g33kyboii: does the topic says it¿¿
[03:00] <xangua> omg
[03:00] <g33kyboii> how about now?
[03:00] <ryannathans> is 11.10 out at midnight? or some time during today?
[03:00] <xangua> ryannathans: g33kyboii please stop
[03:00] <urlin2u> g33kyboii, /topic will give youy=the answer
[03:00] <urlin2u> you*
[03:00] <kevinh90> ryannathans: 12.11.10 lol
[03:00] <blackmoth> disable?
[03:00] <g33kyboii> [11:00] Insufficient arguments for command.
[03:00] <ryannathans> It's 13th in Australia, nooblets ;D
[03:00] <g33kyboii> doesnt work
[03:00] <g33kyboii> so tell me
[03:00] <g33kyboii> whens it out?
[03:00] <FloodBot1> g33kyboii: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:01] <RockMeAmadeus> Good evening my dears
[03:01] <Captainkrtek> g33kyboii: soon, last minute touches, im currently editing the release announcment
[03:01] <ljsoftnet> blackmoth i mean Compositor > uncheck "Enable display Compositing"
[03:01] <RockMeAmadeus> I just sounded like an old lady
[03:01] <g33kyboii> Ok.
[03:01] <ryannathans> Captainkrtek: that's mad
[03:01] <g33kyboii> Is it out now?
[03:01] <urlin2u> google the release schedule, and don't over think the date or time.
[03:01] <ryannathans> Captainkrtek: finally a decent reply
[03:01] <hunter_> hey what theme can u use to use desktop rain?
[03:01] <hunter_> i have compiz already
[03:02] <Captainkrtek> within the next 24 hours, if all goes to plan..
[03:02] <g33kyboii> urlin2u: whats google?
[03:02] <g33kyboii> i use bing
[03:02] <blackmoth> thanks ljsoftnet
[03:02] <ljsoftnet> blackmoth no problem
[03:02] <coolfire> help me please
[03:02] <ryannathans> !ask | coolfire
[03:02] <blackmoth> but i wish theres a better power management tool in xubuntu
[03:03] <g33kyboii> 11.10 out yet?
[03:03] <Captainkrtek> coolfire: what do you need help with
[03:03] <Captainkrtek> and g33kyboii please stop spamming
[03:03] <g33kyboii> umad
[03:03] <g33kyboii> ye umad
[03:03] <ryannathans> !umad
[03:03] <ryannathans> aww
[03:03] <abhijain> whats the exact date for release of ubuntu 11.10
[03:03] <ryannathans> abhijain: 13/10/11
[03:04] <ejv> would you like that in star date?
[03:04] <Captainkrtek> abhijain: within the next 24 hours
[03:04] <tensorpudding> is it really tomorrow?
[03:04] <ryannathans> tensorpudding: it's today.
[03:04] <tensorpudding> sorry
[03:04] <tensorpudding> so it's actually going to happen what time?
[03:04] <ryannathans> \o/ gets it before everone
[03:04] <ryannathans> tensorpudding: no one nos
[03:04] <tensorpudding> bah
[03:04] <tensorpudding> well
[03:04] <ryannathans> \o/ lives at start of tomorrow
[03:05] <hunter_> ??
[03:05] <tensorpudding> it's like 0500 UTC, so there's not much of tomorrow left is there
[03:05] <abhijain> ryannathans:  today  is 13/10/11 in India
[03:05] <boxbeatsy> hi, is there an easy way using command line to split a large text file into 5 smaller ones?
[03:05] <ryannathans> abhijain: 13/10/11 is aus
[03:05] <hunter_> is there gonna be an 11 system for older pcs?
[03:05] <ejv> im not going gaga over 11.10, it's not LTS, so it's bound to be a buggy mess :)
[03:05] <hdon> boxbeatsy, how do you want it split?
[03:06] <ryannathans> boxbeatsy: there is is you make a script ;)
[03:06] <boxbeatsy> hdon: sequentially and evenly
[03:06] <Yamauchi> 10:05am on the 13th here in Jakarta, Indonesia
[03:06] <hdon> boxbeatsy, into fifths? are you counting lines or bytes?
[03:06] <tensorpudding> i'm using 11.10 right now, it's not buggy for me
[03:06] <boxbeatsy> ryannathans: ya, i was about to write a python script for it
[03:06] <xGrind> 11.10 for older pcs: Lubuntu
[03:06] <boxbeatsy> hdon: by lines
[03:06] <ryannathans> ejv: that's like what the hooker siad
[03:06] <Singham> !ot
[03:06] <hdon> boxbeatsy, by lines, head -n 50 filename # will produce the first 50 lines of the file
[03:06] <ryannathans> boxbeatsy: \o/ knows python too
[03:06] <abhijain> ryannathans: Can I upgrade from 10.10 to 11.10
[03:06] <hdon> boxbeatsy, head -n 100 filename | tail -n 50 # will produce lines 51-100
[03:06] <tensorpudding> abhijain, not directly no
[03:06] <hdon> boxbeatsy, etc.
[03:07] <ejv> if you wanna break your system, yes
[03:07] <tensorpudding> abhijain, you have to upgrade to 11.04 first
[03:07] <cjs> Where do I get a 32-bit alternate install CD for Ubuntu 11.10?
[03:07] <ryannathans> abhijain: youll have to hop to 11.04 then 11.10
[03:07] <boxbeatsy> hdon: ah ok, got it, thanks
[03:07] <hdon> boxbeatsy, not exactly efficient but we're not talking about a lot of data unless your lines are tens of megabytes :D
[03:07] <sgashepp_> so what are some good ways of saving battery life, other than the brightness thing then pls?
[03:07] <ryannathans> cjs: internet
[03:07] <boxbeatsy> hdon: ya, that'll do, thanks :)
[03:07] <ryannathans> sgashepp_: underclocking
[03:07] <cjs> ryannathans: You're so helpful!
[03:07] <sgashepp_> seriously?
[03:07] <ryannathans> cjs: I try my best ^^
[03:07] <ejv> who's bright idea was it to make unity default...
[03:07] <ryannathans> cjs: check the ubuntu site
[03:08] <ryannathans> unity? Default? NOT on my xubuntu!
[03:08] <cjs> I'm on cdimage/ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/beta-2/, but there's only a 64-bit desktop CD.
[03:08] <tensorpudding> you can use gnome-shell in 11.10
[03:08] <tensorpudding> it's what i do
[03:08] <ryannathans> cjs: wait till it comes out
[03:08] <tensorpudding> i don't have to use unity anymore
[03:09] <RichTUK> isnt it out tomorrow
[03:09] <ChogyDan> how can I create a link on my desktop? Im using chromium
[03:09] <sgashepp_> I was only being serious. battery life is the only reason i leave a partition for win7 :/
[03:09] <cjs> ryannathans: You're not actually being terribly helpful here.....
[03:09] <CantWinn> I have an AMD 4x Phenom II P940 processor with 6GB RAM with ATI Radeon HD5650 running Catalyst 11.9 and Ubuntu 11.04. With the proprietary drivers running this thing is kinda slow. If I run full screen video etc it's always kinda jerky, it's better when I run the "Classic desktop" and becomes way worse when I try to run the unity desktop. If I take off the proprietary drivers the system runs faster but has the occasional glitching effect on graphics. Is the
[03:09] <CantWinn> re some extra settings that I'm not running?
[03:09] <ChogyDan> wow, 11.10 is out tomorrow?  CRAP, now I will be forced to choose between unity and gnome-shell  :(
[03:09] <ryannathans> cjs: 11.10 isn't out yet
[03:09] <Toidi> Is it possible to access my encrypted home (ext4 I belive) from 7?
[03:10] <ryannathans> ChogyDan: there's always xfce
[03:10] <ryannathans> ChogyDan: xubuntu
[03:10] <cjs> ryannathans: I know. I want to help test it.
[03:10] <ChogyDan> ryannathans: does it use networkmanager?
[03:10] <edub0y> How do I change my Gobi 2000 driver from GSM to CDMA>
[03:10] <ryannathans> ChogyDan: pretty sure
[03:10] <cjs> Unless you don't want me to help test it, in which case I'll just install 11.04.
[03:10] <sgashepp_> ugh.
[03:10] <ChogyDan> ryannathans: is so, then good call
[03:10] <Captainkrtek> cjs: http://www.xubuntu.org/contribute/qa_bugs_testing but please move this to #xubuntu
[03:11] <ryannathans> cjs: I'm not sure there's alot you could test without downloading, i don't even know if cds are avilible to beta test
[03:11] <xGrind> http://thisisthecountdown.com/
[03:11] <ryannathans> cjs: it's in final few minutes of touchup now
[03:11] <cjs> Captainkrtek: Thanks!
[03:11] <ChogyDan> [q] how can I create a link with chromium?
[03:11] <Captainkrtek> np
[03:11] <Captainkrtek> im going back to editing the release announcement, ping if needed...
[03:11] <RichTUK> ChogyDan: go to your menu and drag and drop it to the desktop
[03:12] <ChogyDan> RichTUK: doesnt work, that copies the page
[03:12] <edub0y> Anyone know how to change the mobile broadband auth from GSM to CDMA
[03:12] <RichTUK> right clcik on the desktop and create launcher then ChogyDan
[03:12] <cjs> BTW, in case anybody else was curious about the answer, iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker appears to contain lots of recent pre-11.10 ISOs.
[03:13] <happyface> can anyone recommend any good VPS hosts?
[03:13] <coolfire> I have problems to download videos from youtubu ... from the terminal gives me an ERROR: format not available for video
[03:13] <cjs> Oh, oops, crud, that's only test cases. Nevermind.
[03:13] <coolfire> help me please
[03:14] <Captainkrtek> happyface: Linode
[03:14] <ChogyDan> RichTUK: fwiw, I found a way.  Add the link to the bookmarks toolbar, then drag THAT on to the desktop
[03:14] <coolfire> help
[03:14] <Captainkrtek> coolfire: someone will help if they can, until then please refrain from spamming
[03:14] <ChogyDan> coolfire: are you using a program?
[03:15] <teicah> me too
[03:15] <RichTUK> lol sorry ChogyDan i thought you ment a link for chromium not the page, sorry mate, miss read that
[03:15] <happyface> Captainkrtek, ty
[03:15] <Singham> coolfire : Please see my PM
[03:15] <coolfire> youtube-dl
[03:16] <ChogyDan> RichTUK: oh, np, I want an apology from chromium for being a PITA  :)
[03:16] <ChogyDan> coolfire: try a different extension
[03:17] <coolfire> how different extension =
[03:17] <ChogyDan> coolfire: for firefox, you know, right?
[03:17] <Toidi> Is it possible to access my encrypted home (ext4 I belive) from 7?
[03:19] <Captainkrtek> Toidi: it should be by using a samba setup
[03:19] <Captainkrtek> Toidi: try this: http://www.liberiangeek.net/2011/04/share-home-folder-ubuntu-11-04-natty-narwhal/
[03:19] <noobubuntu> coolfire: check this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1702165
[03:20] <Willis420> sup Captainkrtek?
[03:21] <crash1hd> hey all my 11.04 ubuntu wont reboot it will shutdown no problem but when I run reboot I see ubuntu and 2 red dots and 3 white dots? or the screen fills with text oddly part of it says Broadcast message from root@machine (unknown) at 15:18 last thing it says is Checking for running unattended-upgrades: * Asking all remaining processes to terminate... [OK ]
[03:21] <Captainkrtek> Willis420: hello
[03:22] <Captainkrtek> crash1hd: you make any recent changes?
[03:22] <crash1hd> I dont even know where to start with this one troubleshooting wise (other then google) but all I seem to find is about boot
[03:23] <crash1hd> Captainkrtek, its a fresh install
[03:23] <crash1hd> all I have done sofar is updates
[03:23] <crash1hd> all updates
[03:23] <Captainkrtek> crash1hd: so this has been happening since the initial install
[03:24] <naufragoweb> http://thisisthecountdown.com/ ...... official countdown or no ?
[03:24] <crash1hd> yes
[03:24] <crash1hd> I just dropped to tty1
[03:24] <crash1hd> logged in and ran sudo reboot to see whats going on
[03:24] <Toidi> Captainkrtek, I mean the home partition/encrypted files
[03:24] <Captainkrtek> crash1hd: okay, this is an existing bug, let me see if there is a resolution
[03:25] <crash1hd> it seems to get to Checking for unattended-upgrades and there it sits?
[03:25] <crash1hd> Cool
[03:25] <Willis420> Captainkrtek; i'm getting an error compiling omfgb, can you take a look? http://pastebin.com/ABDWKcGn
[03:25] <crash1hd> I need to be able to reboot (its a machine thats in my basement)
[03:25] <Captainkrtek> Willis420: not in this channel
[03:25] <crash1hd> Captainkrtek, can you share the bug report page?
[03:26] <crash1hd> url?
[03:26] <Willis420> sorry
[03:26] <Captainkrtek> crash1hd: can you paste the output of cat /usr/share/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrade-shutdown
[03:26] <Captainkrtek> paste to paste.ubuntu.com and give me the link
[03:27] <crash1hd> I will on next reboot it seems to be doing more now
[03:27] <Captainkrtek> k
[03:27] <crash1hd> it said it hung on a bunch of task ... somethings more then 120 seconds
[03:27] <thorn> how can I discourage ubuntu from getting into the swap partition so fast? It does it at 50% of normal RAM usage.
[03:27] <crash1hd> now I see the ubuntu logo and the dots
[03:27] <crash1hd> this is further then I have ever had it go before
[03:28] <Captainkrtek> k
[03:28] <socomm> Anyone on here?
[03:28] <crash1hd> but once rebooted I will do as requested :) I want to see if it will actually reboot as the dots are still doing something (usually it locks up)
[03:28] <thorn> how can I discourage ubuntu from getting into the swap partition so fast? It does it at 50% of normal RAM usage.
[03:29] <Captainkrtek> thorn: please dont paste your question multiple times
[03:29] <MnM> if i upgade from Natty by Update Manager, how much data will i have to download
[03:30] <thorn> Captainkrtek: I probably will, actually. I usually do. I usually wait longer though.
[03:30] <socomm> MnM: alot
[03:30] <sileni> gah when will it come out
[03:30] <lake> When I press "Page Up" in terminal (gnome-terminal), the prompt changes to my previous command. I want my terminal output buffer to scrollback. any help?
[03:30] <crash1hd> ok it has to be doing something lol its still doing the dots :)
[03:30] <somsip> thorn: worth looking at this maybe? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#What_is_swappiness_and_how_do_I_change_it.3F
[03:30] <ChogyDan> thorn, how much swap do you have?
[03:31] <sileni> hmm
[03:31] <thorn> 500 MB RAM, 500 MB Swap, give or take a few MB...
[03:31] <Captainkrtek> lake: right click in your terminal window, profiles --> profile preferences --> scrolling tap
[03:31] <Captainkrtek> tab*
[03:31] <ChogyDan> thorn, don't worry about it, you don't have enough ram
[03:31] <Wulf4> Hi
[03:32] <MnM> socomm: alot, how much? 500 MB?
[03:32] <Jetrii> Bah.. 11.10 refuses to install grub on my system... Hell of a way to start things off
[03:32] <ChogyDan> thorn: you need the swap
[03:33] <crash1hd> Captainkrtek, ok it seems to have stopped with the dots anyhow but it does sound like the hdd is still doing something should I force the reboot or wait?
[03:33] <thorn> sweet, I'm going to tweak my swappiness, thanks.
[03:33] <lake> Captainkrtek: oh, i forgot to mention, I use "screen" by default. whoops.
[03:33] <Captainkrtek> crash1hd: try to drop to a shell after a forced reboot
[03:34] <Captainkrtek> lake: that may not change much, im screened right now through a gnu.org server for irssi and I can scroll with page up and down
[03:34] <lake> Captainkrtek: I am screened in too. and scrollback works find in my irc client...
[03:34] <crash1hd> Captainkrtek, ok doing forced reboot now
[03:35] <Captainkrtek> lake, not sure what to say, sorry
[03:36] <lake> Captainkrtek: thanks anyhow
[03:36] <Captainkrtek> lake: no problem
[03:37] <thorn> on the page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#What_is_swappiness_and_how_do_I_change_it.3F it gives instructions to make swappiness change permanent, so I want to move it from 60 to 10, but the directions say to find a line in a file, and it's not there. Should I just paste into the file anyways?
[03:37] <crash1hd> Captainkrtek, http://paste.ubuntu.com/707139
[03:37] <ChogyDan> thron, is there anyway you can buy more ram?  That will help allot more
[03:38] <cjs> Captainkrtek: Err...why did you tell me to go to #xubuntu? I wanted Gnome....
[03:38] <thorn> little help please? I'm working with a nonprofit and we're short on resources. I've moved all of them to Ubuntu. We only need Windows for printing at this point, actually.
[03:39] <thorn> I haven't managed to get a single printer working yet.
[03:39] <thorn> on the page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#What_is_swappiness_and_how_do_I_change_it.3F it gives instructions to make swappiness change permanent, so I want to move it from 60 to 10, but the directions say to find a line in a file, and it's not there. Should I just paste into the file anyways?
[03:40] <jivjiv> Hi Please give me a aptitude install command for http://pastebin.com/1JHigeak.
[03:40] <Captainkrtek> cjs: you guys were discussing xubuntu testing for a bit if I recall
[03:40] <Captainkrtek> crash1hd: k hold on
[03:40] <crash1hd> Captainkrtek, thanks :)
[03:41] <thorn> why do some many people assume aptitude works out of the box on Ubuntu? Does it work like that on Mint or Debian?
[03:41] <Captainkrtek> crash1hd: luckily i know python ;-) hold on
[03:42] <crash1hd> that does help
[03:42] <crash1hd> I know other languages but not much python
[03:42] <cjs> Captainkrtek: I didn't realize I was. :-)
[03:42] <cjs> Anyway, I found the daily builds, so problem solved.
[03:42] <Captainkrtek> crash1hd: replace it with this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/707140/ but make a backup as well
[03:43] <Captainkrtek> I just added one line
[03:43] <randomusr> which repo do I need to add to locate and install the b43 driver?
[03:44] <crash1hd> Captainkrtek, trying now :)
[03:44] <Captainkrtek> kk
[03:46] <thorn> So why were people discouraging me from changing swappiness?
[03:46] <crash1hd> Captainkrtek, ok so you just added sys.exit(0) above the if below the sleep
[03:47] <Captainkrtek> yes
[03:47] <thorn> and why would servers prefer a swappiness of 60? And why does desktop ship with a swappiness of 60 when 10 would be more ideal?
[03:47] <DaGeek247> dern client
[03:47] <Captainkrtek> I had a  feeling it's not going to the other exit statement
[03:48] <crash1hd> ok trying it now :)
[03:48] <crash1hd> rebooting that is
[03:48] <ChogyDan> thorn: because you don't have enough ram.  YOu are going to need swap probably anyway
[03:48] <parox> Hi. What time about is the final Ubuntu comming out?
[03:48] <ChogyDan> 36 hours
[03:48] <DaGeek247> if i get the 11.10 beta now, will it be any different from the release tomorrow?
[03:49] <crash1hd> Captainkrtek, you where saying that there is a bug report on this? do you know what the url is?
[03:49] <ChogyDan> thorn: with my 2g of ram, Ubuntu would never use swap unless it absolutely had to, and I was running at 60
[03:49] <rww> pangolin: anything?
[03:50] <pangolin> nope
[03:50] <pangolin> but not uncommon
[03:50] <rww> pangolin: indeed :<
[03:50] <ChogyDan> thorn: I ran at swappiness 0 for a while, and that was a nightmare.  10 is at least bareable, but still...  10 is the minimum, you should only set that if you think you will NEVER use swap
[03:51] <ChogyDan> thorn: (fyi, 0 basically disables swap, and was crashing my computer trying to hard to do that)
[03:51] <Captainkrtek> crash1hd: it was an older one
[03:51] <Captainkrtek> 2009
[03:51] <Captainkrtek> so not that relative
[03:51] <DaGeek247> ?
[03:52] <DaGeek247> anyone know?
[03:52] <thorn> well Chogy, I'm having performance issues after I start a bit of browsing, and this is my director's computer, and I'd prefer him to have a better experience for a little browsing as opposed to his windows experience. I wasn't trying to recreate the windows experience.
[03:52] <crash1hd> Captainkrtek, ok hmm that doesnt seem to be working
[03:52] <crash1hd> still hangs
[03:52] <Captainkrtek> crash1hd: hmm
[03:52] <devils> Who wants a piece of ass?
[03:52] <devils> -93.15394
[03:53] <akston> @dAgEEK247: I suspect you'd be downloading the release candidate, and that there would be a few differences you'd have to download tomorrow.
[03:53] <tensorpudding> !language | devils
[03:53] <crash1hd> gonna try exiting before it does anything to see if it is even that script
[03:53] <DaGeek247> devils, ima buttmunch!
[03:53] <optidude> hey guys...
[03:53] <optidude> what about installing an wna3100 network adapter?
[03:53] <ChogyDan> thorn: go for it, no harm in experimenting
[03:53] <optidude> any easy ?
[03:53] <DaGeek247> thanks akston
[03:53] <randomusr> anyone here using the b43 driver for their broadcom wireless card?
[03:54] <optidude> any easy way
[03:54] <Captainkrtek> randomusr: I am
[03:54] <Captainkrtek> need some help I presume?
[03:54] <randomusr> Captainkrtek, can you tell me how to install it on Maverick?
[03:54] <Captainkrtek> yeah, hold on
[03:54] <randomusr> Thanks
[03:54] <Captainkrtek> randomusr: try: sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
[03:55] <randomusr> already did that through synaptic, does that me the driver installed?
[03:55] <StepNjump> hi Guys help please... I pretty much inadvertantly deleted about 22GB worth of stuff on my hard drive
[03:55] <StepNjump> I checked in the trash but the folders are there but empty
[03:55] <DaGeek247> so to avoid all the server traffic, i get 11.10 now and update tomorrow, and its the same result. :D
[03:55] <StepNjump> anything else I could do
[03:55] <Captainkrtek> StepNjump: eek, you can try recovery...
[03:56] <pangolin> !recover
[03:56] <StepNjump> Captainkrtek, how do I do that
[03:56] <Captainkrtek> see that, thanks Pangolin :-)
[03:56] <StepNjump> I think Im on ext3
[03:57] <crash1hd> Captainkrtek, hmm dont think that file is the issue tryed to add the exit right below all the imports before anything else and its stiill hanging I would leave it to see but how long? lol
[03:57] <hapy> do we get 11.10 at midnight?
[03:57] <simpleblue> 26:03:12
[03:57] <simpleblue> nope
[03:57] <randomusr> Captainkrtek, if I've installed the firmware-b43 does that mean the driver is installed?
[03:57] <pangolin> !11.10
[03:57] <simpleblue> over a day aways
[03:57] <Captainkrtek> randomusr: try a reboot and see
[03:57] <randomusr> thanks
[03:57] <Captainkrtek> ~24 hours
[03:58] <simpleblue> http://thisisthecountdown.com/
[03:58] <DaGeek247> hapy no, check the party channel
[03:59] <Captainkrtek> crash1hd, and others, ill be away for a bit, PM me and ill reply quicker, need to edit the release announcment...
[03:59] <somsip> Captainkrtek: if it is on a drive that is in use now, shutdown immediately and only use something like a liveCD to try to recover the data
[04:00] <scottj> I just launched three games with twinview and all of them displayed in a small window in the middle of my two monitors. what's the default way on linux to tell games to use my first monitor, 1920x1200?
[04:00] <somsip> Captainkrtek: oops
[04:00] <somsip> StepNjump:  if it is on a drive that is in use now, shutdown
[04:00] <somsip>                 immediately and only use something like a liveCD to try to
[04:00] <somsip>                 recover the data
[04:00] <Captainkrtek> heh
[04:00] <somsip> erm...
[04:01] <jeroth> !themes
[04:03] <_optidude_> anyone know how to install an wna3100 network adapter in Ubuntu 11.04?
[04:03] <_optidude_> trying to connect wirelessly
[04:04] <alibo> Anybody knows at what time and time zone the new version will bereleased?
[04:04] <DaGeek247> !11.10
[04:04] <alibo> DaGeek247: I see, thanks
[04:05] <thorn> !happiness
[04:05] <somsip> ubottu: umad?
[04:06] <thorn> !crazy
[04:06] <pangolin> !msgthebot > thorn
[04:06] <DaGeek247> lol
[04:07] <thorn> !!
[04:07] <jmcantrell> are there any wallpaper changers that work in oneiric?
[04:07] <pangolin> !oneiric
[04:09] <robin0800> jmcantrell: wallch does in the software centre
[04:11] <Wulf4> I installed a computer with "Natty" and got some ugly new desktop environment (is that gnome 3?). How can I set the theme back to gnome2?
[04:11] <pdtpatr1ck> sun-java6-jdk is no longer available in Ubuntu 11.10? what's the new name for it ?
[04:11] <zykotick9> scottj, you can use "null" values in xorg.conf so a 1920x1200 resolution in a game will disable the other monitor (it's been a long time since I've had to do that however, so i can't really remember the details, sorry)
[04:11] <tensorpudding> Wulf, when you are about to log in, change your session to Ubuntu Classic
[04:11] <crash1hd> Wulf, you are probably looking at unity when you log in at the bottom you can choose between ubuntu and ubuntu classic
[04:11] <tensorpudding> Wulf, that's not GNOME 3, it's Unity
[04:11] <zykotick9> pdtpatr1ck, sun-java* is no longer available in any distro - you have to get it direct from oracle
[04:12] <tensorpudding> !unity | Wulf
[04:12] <pdtpatr1ck> zykotick9, .. much appreciated
[04:12] <dr_willis> !classic
[04:12] <jmcantrell> robin0800: very strange. it seems to work, but you have to keep it open??
[04:12] <___Mike___> hello guys
[04:12] <DaGeek247> hellooo
[04:13] <___Mike___> now connected with my ubuntu install on an old p4 system...
[04:13] <Wulf> ah. Let's see, "Ubuntu classic, no effects."
[04:13] <tensorpudding> yes, classic has no effects, it does not use compiz
[04:13] <Wulf> that's much better, thanks guys!
[04:13] <Wulf> now, how would I disable unity on new installs I make with kickseed/kickstart?
[04:14] <tensorpudding> Wulf, just fyi, tomorrow the next version of ubuntu comes out, which no longer has GNOME 2 at all, but has GNOME 3
[04:14] <robin0800> you can pin it to the launcher then right click for optios etc
[04:14] <Wulf> the 11.10? Great
[04:15] <tensorpudding> i don't know that you can disable unity
[04:15] <robin0800> jmcantrell: you can pin it to the launcher then right click for optios etc
[04:15] <tensorpudding> classic just means not using it
[04:15] <___Mike___> but i am wired and trying to connect via wireless a wna3100 network adapter
[04:15] <tensorpudding> you can start using it again by choosing a different session
[04:15] <___Mike___> i did download the drivers offline I think
[04:15] <Wulf> I'll wait until next week then to see how things go
[04:15] <___Mike___> sorry new to Ubuntu, I am a windows guy
[04:16] <stephni> does anyone know how to install lmms ave extracted the file to deskyopp
[04:16] <tensorpudding> ___Mike___, does your wireless network show up in the wifi tool?
[04:16] <tensorpudding> ___Mike___, there's decent odds you don't have to mess with drivers
[04:16] <tensorpudding> ___Mike___, and if you downloaded drivers for Windows, they won't help you
[04:17] <thorn> !philosophy
[04:17] <thorn> !happiness
[04:17] <bkovacs> Gnome Shell , Unity, KDE 4.7, XFCE, and LXDE are the  new desktop enviroments of the 21st century. We all need to get used to it and embrace it. It will get better. Look at Windows 8. Everyone is complaining about the "metro" interface.
[04:18] <thorn> !life
[04:18] <dr_willis> !info lmms
[04:18] <dr_willis> step
[04:19] <dr_willis> stephni:  its in the repos. use the package manager to install it. :-)
[04:19] <bkovacs> Does Unity and gnome shell kind of remind you of Window Maker and Openstep with side panels.
[04:19] <pedahzur> So, my system (10.04) is telling me there are errors, and to run fsck manually on /dev/sda1. It tries to drop me into a root shell, and prompts for root password, but since the installer never set a root password, and I always sudo to root, there is no root password.  What do I do now?
[04:20] <scottj> for playing quake 1 multiplayer on linux with best graphics what program should I look for? I remember few years ago there were several improved engines
[04:20] <dr_willis> pedahzur:  you could boot a live cd and fsck from it.
[04:21] <pedahzur> dr_willis: Right, I might try that, but it seems quite goofy that the installer doesn't set a root password, but the single-user-system-recovery mode requires a root password.
[04:22] <pedahzur> dr_willis: I'll have to see if I can dig up a live CD.
[04:22] <dr_willis> pedahzur:  never noticed. i tend to always use a live cd in such a case.
[04:23] <zykotick9> scottj, have a look at quakeforge (i'm not sure about it's online support, and it's been years since i used it)
[04:23] <r4fh4> hola
[04:23] <r4fh4> alguien que hable español
[04:23] <zykotick9> !es | r4fh4
[04:23] <pedahzur> dr_willis: other hitch...I'm not sure my cd-rom drive works..............
[04:23] <dr_willis> stephni:  no need to msg me. it is in the repos.  enable the universe repo. perhaps.
[04:24] <dr_willis> pedahzur:  i always have usb flash, or setup grub to boot a  rescue type iso from  a spare partition. ;)
[04:26] <pedahzur> dr_willis: yeah, I should look into how to install a recovery partition...that would be a cool idea to add to the installer.
[04:26] <___Mike___> tensorpudding I think I got the ones for linux off of a forum someone else posted there is both 32 bit and 64 bit versions    a .sys and .inf file
[04:26] <___Mike___> where is the wifi tool?
[04:26] <dr_willis> grub2 booting an iso from hd1 and installing to hd2 is amazing fast also.
[04:26] <tensorpudding> ___Mike___, the little menu on the upper-right
[04:27] <___Mike___> oh, ok, let me check...thanks so much
[04:27] <stephni> how do i enable the univers repos
[04:27] <___Mike___> i have to disconnect from wired right?
[04:28] <Mike> thats better
[04:28] <_Mike_> there thats easier
[04:28] <_Mike_> LOL
[04:29] <mikee> damn
[04:29] <mikee> all registered
[04:30] <thorn> !onirc
[04:30] <mikee> mikey
[04:30] <stephni> how do i enable univers repository
[04:31] <dr_willis> !universe
[04:31] <thorn> !nasty
[04:32] <bkovacs> Anyway of hiding certain icons in the unity menu. With Gnome 2X you could uncheck certain items from showing up in the menu.
[04:32] <thorn> !papercut
[04:34] <jakl> Is there a specific time of release? Do I bother waiting to start the download tonight?
[04:34] <rww> jakl: no on both questions
[04:34] <jakl> ty gn
[04:35] <dr_willis> when its released the torrents normally get so fast its scary.  o need to worry about getting it ;)
[04:35] <pedahzur> So this is interesting: booted off a USB key, did maintenance, says all the file systems are clean. But during boot it says "General failure mounting file systems, dropping to maintenance shell."  But then it lists all the partitions, and says they are all clean.
[04:36] <dr_willis> general failure.. hmm.
[04:36] <stephni> am now in synaptic manager how do i locate lmms?
[04:36] <dr_willis> you edited the fstab lately?
[04:36] <dr_willis> stephni:  use the search feature. or the cli tools.
[04:37] <dr_willis> !info lmms
[04:37] <dr_willis> sudo apt-get install lmms
[04:37] <thorn> !pdpc
[04:38] <thorn> Is there a weekly newsletter?
[04:38] <thorn> !uwn
[04:38] <stephni> ok i found lmms and lmms  common should i install both?
[04:38] <dr_willis> !fish
[04:39] <thorn> Thanks ubottu!
[04:39] <thorn> Good night folks!
[04:39] <tensorpudding> mikee, you don't have to disconnect from wireless
[04:39] <tensorpudding> err, wired
[04:39] <dr_willis> stephni:  it should pull in any need3ed depedencies
[04:39] <rww> stephni: install lmms, it'll probably pull in lmms-common itself
[04:40] <stephni> ok thanks for the help i do appreciate
[04:40] <mikee> oh ok cool
[04:40] <pedahzur> dr_willis: No, no editing of fstab.  I'll check it though, make sure it didn't get corrupted. I actually had a "lost" file on sda1 (ext2 partition) that turned out to be /etc/shadow. :)  Copied that back into place.
[04:40] <dr_willis> lost the shadow file? eww. heh
[04:40] <mikee> so i found the menu...but not sure where to go.... :-)
[04:41] <pedahzur> dr_willis: Yeah, but it was still there in /lost+found, so I got it back.
[04:41] <dr_willis> pedahzur:  it might be curupted
[04:41] <pedahzur> dr_willis: yah, it might.
[04:41] <dr_willis> why are you using ext2     pedahzur ?
[04:41] <User8976> Hello, does anyone know how to build linux from the ground up? Could it be done with any linux OS, even ubuntu or debian?
[04:42] <dr_willis> !lfs | User8976
[04:42] <mikee> so tensorpudding I created a wireless network with my ssid....hmmm not sure what i do now
[04:42] <mikee> LOl
[04:43] <mikee> sorry i am such a newb with Ubuntu
[04:43] <tensorpudding> mikee, you should connect to it
[04:43] <Wulf> User8976: don't read that document if you want to have more fun.
[04:43] <tensorpudding> mikee, do you see it in the wifi networks?
[04:43] <Wulf> User8976: assemble all the knowledge about needed software and how to do it yourself
[04:43] <mikee> how do you look at the wifi networks?
[04:43] <stephni> fcuk i had an error installing it fcuk
[04:44] <dr_willis> lfs is a neat project. try it in a vbox istance sometime. :)
[04:44] <dr_willis> grr my n key is flakey. ;(
[04:44] <pedahzur> dr_willis: Old system...upgraded to 10.04. Never bothered to upgrade the / partition.  Not sure why.  I think when I originally installed it (8.04, I think) grub didn't support ext3, or I wasn't really confident in ext3, or something....and then never changed it after that.
[04:44] <mikee> i have arrows that point up and down....and i have options (auto eth, disconnect, vpn, enable networking, connection information, edit connections
[04:45] <mikee> is that where it should list them
[04:45] <mikee> hmmm
[04:45] <tensorpudding> mikee, no, i mean
[04:45] <tensorpudding> does it show up on the panel menu
[04:45] <mikee> wifi?
[04:46] <User8976> I wanted to have a fast linux OS with limited functionality. Geared to the internet and playing multimedia. I have tried splashtop but it seems it doesen't seem work.
[04:46] <mikee> hmmm
[04:46] <mikee> don't see it
[04:46] <dr_willis> splashtop is very specilized.
[04:47] <User8976> It would be slick if, you can boot the linux first and then later boot windows while running linux and then switch to it later. Similar to the function that splashtop has.
[04:47] <tensorpudding> i'm sorry, i'm not using unity at the moment so i can't tell you exactly what it looks like
[04:47] <dr_willis> User8976:  your needs are a bit broad. ;) most any distro can do that.
[04:47] <tensorpudding> it should show a list of SSIDs for nearby networks
[04:47]  * Administrator 
[04:48] <tensorpudding> mikee, can you take a screenshot of the menu?
[04:48] <mikee> sure
[04:48] <tensorpudding> there's a program called Take Screenshot
[04:48] <dr_willis> User8976:  you just described 'zen' i think. or is it xen.
[04:48] <tensorpudding> just have it set to take a screenshot on a timer and open the menu
[04:49] <tensorpudding> then put the image on http://imagebin.org/
[04:49] <mikee> is there a paint program on ubuntu to save the print screen function to?
[04:50] <tensorpudding> mikee, you use the Take Screenshot program
[04:51] <Captainkrtek> a little off topic, but relevant to this channel http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/x11.png ;-)
[04:52] <User8976> Could xen allow you to boot windows while running linux? Then also exit linux and xen. The end would be running windows alone.
[04:53] <dr_willis> xen stays undereeth it all
[04:54] <dr_willis> !xen
[04:54] <mikee> ok, got the shot...have to put son to bed...be back in a little bit ok...thanks for your help..if your on i will contact ya man...thanks again...i will post scrshot when i get back
[04:54] <dr_willis> im not even sure if windows can work with xen.
[04:56] <pedahzur> dr_willis: Yeah, so really weird...in the rescue environment, everything mounts just fine. But when I boot, it says "General failure mounting disks."
[04:57] <dr_willis> pedahzur:  if  the ext2 was messed up. it could be files missing or other issues i guess.
[04:59] <sebsebseb> hi
[05:03] <pedahzur> dr_willis: I suppose, yeah.
[05:09] <Gabri-le> someone can hep me with the optical unit ? ubuntu don't recognize it :(
[05:11] <mrgud> can anyone to tell me something
[05:11] <histo> !ask | mrgud
[05:12] <histo> mikee: any image editing program.  There is also a screenshot program
[05:13] <mrgud> hi histo. so,where is the problem with ext4 journaling file system,why is this form invalid
[05:14] <adminewb> would the beta2 builds of oneiric be adequate for effective use of zsync when the production release is out?
[05:15] <rww> adminewb: I'd go with a daily, if you're looking for one to download and zsync later
[05:16] <mrgud> can any tell what with clonezilla
[05:16] <mrgud> this not work korect
[05:16] <dr_willis> mrgud:  clarify the problem some more or rephrasae it.
[05:18] <adminewb> rww thanks
[05:18] <mrgud> i was made img from my os pat then reimage and out
[05:18] <mrgud> my pat was destroyed
[05:19] <mikee> how can i post the png on here
[05:19] <mikee> xchat... :-)
[05:19] <pedahzur> dr_willis: Well, I'm booting...at some point in the explosion passwd and shadow swapped places.  Now that I have those back in place, it will boot.  But I forgot to set the permissions right, so I'll need to boot in resuce mode again...I'll take caree of that tomorrow.  Thank you for your help!
[05:20] <dr_willis> !screenshot
[05:20] <mrgud> dr willis?
[05:21] <dr_willis> mrgud:  well from what i am making out.. clonezilla image did not work. i dont use cloezilla. i tend to just use dd as needed.
[05:23] <mikee> here is a link http://imagebin.org/178733
[05:23] <mikee> thanks for all the help guys
[05:24] <mikee> hey tensorpudding you still on
[05:26] <tensorpudding> mikee, okay, you don't have wifi drivers installed then, or your wifi is hardware disabled
[05:26] <tensorpudding> mikee, it's probably the former
[05:26] <tensorpudding> mikee, try running Additional Hardware
[05:27] <mikee> hmmm..sorry how do i do that...LOL
[05:27] <Unknown_Monkey> The Beatles
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[05:27] <FloodBot1> Unknown_Monkey: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:27] <Unknown_Monkey>  .888888888888b                          d88888888888888b_     d8888888888888888b
[05:28] <mikee> how do i run additional hardware....
[05:29] <tensorpudding> mikee, it's an application
[05:29] <tensorpudding> it's under System
[05:30] <mikee> ok cool...i was just googling it...LOL
[05:30] <mikee> they talk about a device manager also
[05:30] <mikee> lol
[05:30] <ThePub> after installing a program with wine I cannot add the icon to the start bar in Unity.  any reason why?
[05:33] <mikee> so i have additional drivers scanning...it came up with nothing...dont see additional hardware though....what is it under...system/admin
[05:33] <tensorpudding> sorry
[05:33] <tensorpudding> additional drivers was the name
[05:33] <tensorpudding> i got confused
[05:34] <tensorpudding> apparently it's not supported out-of-the-box
[05:34] <tensorpudding> there's a forum thread on how to get it working
[05:34] <mikee> hmmm...where should i stick the drivers i downloaded
[05:34] <mikee> cool....do you have the link  :-)
[05:36] <tensorpudding> it's not that simple
[05:36] <tensorpudding> the windows drivers are like a round peg, and ubuntu is a square hole
[05:37] <tensorpudding> i'll link you to the thread but it'll probably be hard to follow
[05:37] <tensorpudding> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1549190
[05:37] <tensorpudding> mikee, ^
[05:38] <tensorpudding> mikee, did you download 32-bit or 64-bit ubuntu
[05:39] <uofm49426> what time of day does 11.10 release
[05:40] <rww> uofm49426: there isn't a set time
[05:41] <uofm49426> i think xubuntu is released today
[05:43] <phlak_user> hi
[05:44] <mikee> tensorpudding 32 bit ubuntu
[05:45] <mikee> i was online looking at ndiswrapper
[05:45] <mikee> but it is waaaayyyy complicated
[05:45] <mikee> isn't there an easy way to install hardware?
[05:45] <tensorpudding> normally
[05:45] <phlak_user> mikee: isnt your hw supported natively?
[05:45] <tensorpudding> your hardware isn't officially supported in ubuntu
[05:46] <mikee> phlak_user watcha mean?
[05:46] <mikee> i downloaded some drivers for the adapter
[05:46] <phlak_user> mikee: is it in the hcl
[05:46] <phlak_user> !hcl | mikee
[05:47] <dr_hoax> give 11.10
[05:47] <mikee> phlak_user   sorry way newbe to Ubuntu...I have used windows since 95...LOL...what is hcl?
[05:47] <dr_hoax> GIMME
[05:47] <dr_hoax> hardware compatibility layer?
[05:47] <phlak_user> mikee: hardware compatibility list
[05:47] <tensorpudding> mikee, as i said before, your drivers are not designed for linux
[05:48] <tensorpudding> mikee, they won't work
[05:48] <dr_willis> no one ever reads the bots info. :)
[05:48] <tensorpudding> ndiswrapper is essentially hacking the round peg so that it can fit in the square hole
[05:48] <dr_hoax> i can fit any hole
[05:48] <mikee> tensorpudding    do you mind if i post the link where i downloaded the drivers
[05:49] <tensorpudding> i don't think it particularly matters where you got them
[05:49] <tensorpudding> lots of sites distribute them
[05:49] <phlak_user> mikee: use the drivers that work with windows (start with a known devil)
[05:49] <dr_hoax> lol
[05:50] <uofm49426> if you want to use ndis temporally there is a gui programs
[05:52] <uofm49426> go to ubuntu software center looking look up windows wireless driver
[05:53] <telex> can anyone help me to upgrade freetype version from 2.4.4 to 2.4.5 or 2.4.6?
[05:55] <chirag_d_gr8> I tried to install linux ubuntu 11.10 daily build using usb stick. My pc successfully booted from usb stick and show me option for installation or live boot. Any option I select, The screen goes blank after that and I see nothing happening for 20 minutes. Help me
[05:55] <vsadevi> desktop recorder
[05:55] <Lithos84> !11.10 | chirag_d_gr8
[05:56] <phlak_user> !details| vsadevi
[05:56] <chirag_d_gr8> Liithos82: The same problem goes for linux mint 11 , kubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu 11.04
[05:57] <phlak_user> chirag_d_gr8: first thing to check -> md5sum of the iso; next - what hardware?
[05:58] <vsadevi> I want to record desktop sessions with audio and vedios for making tutorials
[05:58] <chirag_d_gr8> I am using a HP 117tx laptop with hm65 chipset, 3 gb ram, core i3 and ati 6470 graphics card
[05:59] <phlak_user> chirag_d_gr8: you should try with the modeset=0 option
[05:59] <chirag_d_gr8> phlak_user: how to set modeset=0 option?
[06:00] <johnn> Hi, why storage device manager does not work on 11.04?
[06:01] <phlak_user> chirag_d_gr8: add radeon.modeset=0 to the end of the kernel boot line (press e when it presents the menu to edit)
[06:02] <johnn> I want to mount an ntfs disk but I added an entry on fstab but on boot I get error message for the disk, any advice?
[06:02] <phlak_user> chirag_d_gr8: or follow this -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-in/2011-July/010675.html
[06:02] <phlak_user> Johnn are you able to mount it manually?
[06:02] <johnn> I think so
[06:03] <chintan> is new version of ubuntu available ?
[06:03] <johnn> on lucid lynx  it was fine.
[06:03] <phlak_user> Johnn: think? you could do it and confirm
[06:03] <vsadevi> I am running the natty ubunty 11.04 , I am trying to record the destop session with record mydesktop app , i am not getting sound recorded ,it is asking for jackd server running wher ecan i get it
[06:03] <johnn> UUID="948C4BF08e4BCB84 /media/disk500 ntfs-3g defaults, 0 0
[06:03] <chintan> 11.10 available ?
[06:03] <phlak_user> !info jack | vsadevi
[06:03] <johnn> this is the entry on fstab
[06:04] <chintan> plz give answer of my que ..
[06:04] <phlak_user> johnn: i dont see a closing " (quotes) on the UUID string
[06:04] <chintan> is 11.10 available ?
[06:04] <phlak_user> !11.10 > chintan
[06:05] <johnn> Thanks a lot!
[06:05] <johnn> I am tired..
[06:05] <johnn> That should solv the problem, thanks again!
[06:05] <phlak_user> !info jackd > vsadevi
[06:05] <phlak_user> johnn: yw
[06:06] <chintan> i have simple que
[06:06] <mikee> ok, so i downloaded nds wireless drivers from software center
[06:06] <chintan> is 11.10 availbale ??
[06:06] <mikee> lets see what happens
[06:06] <phlak_user> chintan: pl join #ubuntu+1 channel
[06:07] <reisio> chintan: it's not final & public yet, at any rate
[06:07] <TheCowboy> how many hours
[06:07] <chintan> when it realese ?
[06:07] <chintan> any fix date ?
[06:07] <chintan> i want to download ..
[06:07] <vsadevi> No menu item `jack' in node `(dir)Top'. this is the uotput i get when do info jack
[06:08] <phlak_user> vsadevi: oops; just type sudo apt-get install jackd
[06:08] <vsadevi> problem solved for jack
[06:08] <reisio> chintan: supposedly within the next 24 hours
[06:08] <chintan> ok reisio
[06:09] <vsadevi> can we install ubuntu on 128 mb ram
[06:09] <reisio> vsadevi: you can, but it might save you time to start with one of the varieties that require less hardware resources, such as Lubuntu
[06:10] <reisio> vsadevi: the default mainline Ubuntu environment will be annoyingly demanding
[06:10] <vsadevi> more details p-3 500 ghz compaq presario
[06:10] <FragUPlenty> Lubuntu or may one of the derivatives like linux mint for 128mb ram
[06:10] <reisio> vsadevi: any particular graphics device?
[06:10] <vsadevi> I want to install ubuntu on compaq presario p-3 500 mhz and use to surf the web
[06:10] <vsadevi> can i do it
[06:11] <FragUPlenty> might get better performance though to use like puppy linux
[06:11] <reisio> vsadevi: technically yes, but using Lubuntu would be a better idea
[06:11] <vsadevi> ubuntu natty on p-3 500 ghz 128 mb ram
[06:11] <reisio> puppy is for computers from the 1950s
[06:11] <reisio> vsadevi: 500MHz
[06:11] <vsadevi> 500 ghz
[06:11] <reisio> vsadevi: the environment would be incredibly unresponsive, it simply is not designed with such old hardware in mind
[06:11]  * phlak_user o_O
[06:12] <FragUPlenty> I have a p2 333mhz and p3 600mhz and both lagged and glitched alot
[06:13] <reisio> I've run less software on more hardware and it was still intolerable
[06:13] <phlak_user> If you can live without X; that hardware is just fine (use Lynx as browser)
[06:13] <reisio> X isn't the issue, X by itself is quite light
[06:13] <reisio> it's GNOME, you don't want to run GNOME on that hardware
[06:13] <reisio> not even GNOME 2
[06:14] <vsadevi> I use to run debain 4.0 well with graphical X ,kde,gnome , on p-3 500 ghz ,356 gb ram
[06:14] <harry_> whats the diffrence between 'sudo su - ' and when i execute any .exe and at that time it ask for the password???
[06:14] <fyksen-laptop> What is the channel to discuss ubuntu 11.10?
[06:14] <reisio> vsadevi: nope
[06:14] <vsadevi> but now i want to upgrade to new kernel and new distro
[06:14] <reisio> fyksen-laptop: #ubuntu+1
[06:14] <reisio> vsadevi: why new distro
[06:15] <xannen> General Java Question: Does Tomcat 7 support Java EE Bean?  Or do I need dedicated Java EE Container?  And if so, any suggested one?
[06:16] <vsadevi> I have this debain 4.0 for nearly 4 to 5 years , now ram have gone ,so i want to use reamining 128 mb with it instea dof buying new ram slot
[06:16] <reisio> mmm
[06:17] <reisio> vsadevi: I can't see how moving from Debian to Ubuntu would be anything but a step backwards
[06:17] <reisio> vsadevi: if you want to lighten the load, simply install a window manager or DE lighter than KDE and GNOME
[06:17] <reisio> vsadevi: try maybe openbox
[06:17] <vsadevi> ok
[06:17] <vsadevi> thank youreisio
[06:18] <chintan> bye to all
[06:18] <reisio> np
[06:18] <reisio> bye chin
[06:18] <jivjiv> Hi Please help me resolve this. http://pastebin.com/4sK4yPQL
[06:18] <crash1hd> Hmm running ubuntu liveUSB via EFI it gets to the point where its going to the desktop and the monitor turns off and blinks the power light
[06:18] <vsadevi> do you know any good internet links for ubuntu vedios ,leaving out youtube
[06:18]  * reisio headdesks
[06:19] <reisio> jivjiv: what're you trying to install?
[06:20] <jivjiv> reisio : am trying to build firefox in a old linux system. But some libraries are outdated. Am fairly new to linux
[06:20] <reisio> jivjiv: why not use a binary?
[06:21] <jivjiv> reisio : I have modified the code of firefox for my purpose.
[06:21] <reisio> what's your purpose?
[06:22] <jivjiv> reisio : for example.. I don't want cookies to be shared between cookies. I have disabled lots of modules like auto update, Profile manager etc..
[06:22] <Guest19251> I am trying to un-install virtualbox with "sudo apt-get purge virtualbox"
[06:22] <Guest19251> and I get this: "Virtual packages like 'virtualbox' can't be removed
[06:22] <Guest19251> "
[06:22] <jivjiv> reisio : cookies shouldn't be shared between tabs*
[06:22] <Guest19251> How can I remove virtualbox/?
[06:22] <reisio> Guest19251: maybe it's virtualbox-ose
[06:22] <reisio> or -bin
[06:22] <reisio> jivjiv: ok
[06:22] <rymate1234> Guest19251: sudo apt-get remove virtualbox-ose
[06:23] <reisio> jivjiv: so it looks like it thinks your GTK+ version is too old
[06:24] <jivjiv> reisio : correct. I ran sudo aptitude install libgtk2.0-dev to install later version...
[06:24] <reisio> jivjiv: and which version did that install
[06:26] <jivjiv> reisio : I am not very sure. I thought 2.0 is the version Now that u ask I feel a little stupid. wait let me find a command to check the version of GTK+ installed.
[06:26] <reisio> it says .10 or something in your paste
[06:28] <gh0st> I have vmware workstation installed in ubuntu 10.04 64bit. I'm trying to create a 32bit windows 7 virtual machine and the windows install has been sitting at 0% for the last few hours.
[06:28] <jivjiv> reisio : ok. And I am not able to find a command to check the lib version..
[06:28] <reisio> gh0st: any particular reason you chose vmware?
[06:29] <gh0st> it's free, I'm a student
[06:29] <reisio> it's gratis, anyways
[06:29] <reisio> gh0st: what processor do you have?
[06:29] <gh0st> intel core 2 duo 9660 I think
[06:29] <rww> gh0st: ask #vbox or ##windows. That sounds like a problem with your Windows guest, not the Ubuntu host.
[06:29] <gh0st> k
[06:29] <reisio> gh0st: 9660?
[06:29] <rww> erm, #vmware
[06:30] <reisio> gh0st: if egrep 'svm|vmx' /proc/cpuinfo returns anything, you'll get more performance out of kvm instead of vmware
[06:30] <reisio> gh0st: and otherwise I'd still recommend VirtualBox over VMware
[06:31] <vsadevi> how to install kde in natty ubuntu 11.04 ,does it come with 4.3 dvd
[06:31] <phlak_user> vsadevi: install kbuntu
[06:31] <reisio> vsadevi: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[06:31] <vsadevi> I have natty installed with gnome fallback
[06:32] <gh0st> I've had a horrible time with virtualbox. Does it feature a "save state"?
[06:32] <vsadevi> now i want to install kde
[06:32] <reisio> gh0st: yes
[06:32] <reisio> gh0st: what was horrible about it?
[06:32] <vsadevi> is kubuntu available on the dvd or i need to dounload from repos
[06:32] <reisio> vsadevi: repos
[06:33] <gh0st> Can't remember exactly. It was a few months back and I was running it on a windows host, not ubuntu.
[06:34] <reisio> mmm
[06:34] <vsadevi> so ineed to do apt-get install kde or apt-get install kuduntu
[06:34] <reisio> vsadevi: all the commands you need are in the link I gave
[06:34] <vsadevi> ok
[06:35] <stephni> i installed lmms from repos but i can't find it in applications
[06:35] <vsadevi> how can use this downloaded packages of kubuntu and take them install on my other system running ubuntu, I generally setup local yum repo in rpm based things ,how can i do it here
[06:35] <phlak_user> vsadevi: in fact here -> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde
[06:35] <reisio> stephni: /usr/bin/lmms ?
[06:36] <dr_willis> !aptoncd
[06:36] <orgnlchc> Hey everyone..
[06:36] <orgnlchc> Can anyone tell me why Ubuntu 11.10 is not yet out? :O
[06:36] <vsadevi> great tip thanks
[06:37] <orgnlchc> Went to work today and thought that upgrading would be the first thing i'll do, but nothing..
[06:37] <ninjajeff> evening channel
[06:37] <orgnlchc> Hm?
[06:37] <sevenninety> hola ninjajeff
[06:37] <vsadevi> i have installed gnome -shell using the command apt-get install gnome-shell on natty 11.04
[06:37] <orgnlchc> Yeah, but what about 11.10 final?
[06:37] <vsadevi> now i want to roll back to previous state
[06:38] <phlak_user> orgnlchc: maybe the #ubuntu-release-party isnt over yet :)
[06:38] <reisio> orgnlchc: because it isn't
[06:38] <ninjajeff> my installation of 10.10 has suddenly stopped recognizing my network card. what should i do?
[06:38] <vsadevi>  i cant set themes on my gnome desktop
[06:38] <orgnlchc> What is the ubuntu release party, lol? :D
[06:38] <corrosive23> it will be release in 11 hours
[06:38] <orgnlchc> oh, damnit. Ruined my day. :D
[06:38] <mikee> thank you for all your help..have a great night :-)
[06:39] <orgnlchc> Either way, I hope gnome shell works fine with 11.10.
[06:39] <phlak_user> ninjajeff: during or after installation?
[06:39] <orgnlchc> after
[06:39] <ninjajeff> after
[06:39] <ninjajeff> worked fine during and for a short time after
[06:39] <orgnlchc> btw, i can't set themes either on gnome-shell.
[06:39] <phlak_user> ninjajeff: wired or wireless
[06:39] <ninjajeff> wired
[06:40] <phlak_user> ninjajeff:  what does the network manager show?
[06:40] <ninjajeff> no devices
[06:40] <ninjajeff> it used to show eth1
[06:41] <ninjajeff> this is the icon on the panel im talking about
[06:41] <phlak_user> ninjajeff: do you have more than one ethernet device/card/port?
[06:42] <ninjajeff> only one card
[06:42] <phlak_user> ninjajeff: can you pastebin the output of sudo lshw -C network
[06:42] <vsadevi> how do i roll back to previous state after I have installed an deb package on the ubuntu,
[06:42] <phlak_user> vsadevi: uninstall the deb
[06:42] <reisio> vsadevi: downgrade?
[06:42] <ninjajeff> i cant paste it, but i can get any details
[06:43] <phlak_user> ninjajeff: also paste the output of lspci
[06:44] <ninjajeff> it says i have an nvidia network card, which is incorrect
[06:44] <fmauro> ninjajeff: you could quickly find out if it's your system or the os by booting a liveOS
[06:45] <ninjajeff> lspci thinks everything is nvidia
[06:45] <phlak_user> ninjajeff: thinks?
[06:46] <ninjajeff> well, lspci lists Host bridge, RAM memory, etc...
[06:46] <ninjajeff> all as nVidia Corp.
[06:47] <vsadevi> I mean I installed gnome-shell using command apt-get install gnome-shell ,now  i want to revert back to old gnome classic with out gnome shell ,removing gnome -shell ,how to do it, using yum I can do it in rom base dsitro to roll back to previous state ,how do i do it in this deabin packages
[06:47] <ninjajeff> USB, ethernet, PCI bridge
[06:47] <ninjajeff> everything is listed as an nVidia device
[06:47] <fmauro> !enter | ninjajeff
[06:48] <ninjajeff> k, sorry
[06:49] <fmauro> ninjajeff: do you have a liveCD or usb? you could really determine quite quickly if it's because of ubuntu or your system is going haywire
[06:49] <Polah> ninjajeff: Your RAM is listed as nVidia? As in the actual modules? Are you sure it's not talking about your chipset?
[06:49] <ninjajeff> my livecd is not available atm
[06:50] <devilsdue> so guys
[06:50] <devilsdue> I have a good question
[06:50] <ninjajeff> every entry in the output of lspci says "nVidia Corporation"
[06:50] <devilsdue> what's a good HTML parser
[06:50] <devilsdue> meaning, what is some good coding method to take XML or HTML tags and store the variables in between the tags
[06:50] <reisio> devilsdue: there's one or three in CPAN
[06:50] <devilsdue> Is CPAN a package?
[06:51] <fmauro> ninjajeff: this is because your chipset is made by nvidia
[06:51] <reisio> devilsdue: it's a repository of Perl applications
[06:51] <devilsdue> okay
[06:51] <devilsdue> so apt-get install cpan?
[06:51] <Polah> ninjajeff: That's the same for me too
[06:52] <devilsdue> that's cool
[06:52] <reisio> interesting =P
[06:52] <Polah> ninjajeff: Everything is listed as nVidia something, except for some processor lines, because I have an nVidia chipset
[06:52] <Polah>  ninjajeff: Something like this: 00:02.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP61 USB Controller (rev a3)?
[06:53] <ninjajeff> ah ha...
[06:54] <fmauro> ninjajeff: as you can't post anything, could you describe the output of lshw -C network
[06:54] <Tru3fate> is 11.10 out. i thought it will be out today
[06:54] <ninjajeff> it is using the onboard interface
[06:54] <dr_willis> Tru3fate:  sometime today.. topic will change when its done
[06:54] <ninjajeff> so... that can connect now.
[06:55] <Tru3fate> thank you
[06:55] <devilsdue> k
[06:55] <ninjajeff> thanks, guys. that got things done
[06:55] <devilsdue> Which scripts in cpan have those HTML tag variable taking scripts, or should I search something like koders.com
[06:55] <bluebird> Hi, which package contains aticonfig? I am looking for something similar to nvidia-settings
[06:56] <spikebike> amdcccle
[06:56] <ninjajeff> alright. upgrading to 11.04
[06:56] <Atlantic777> When will be 11.10 images available for download?
[06:56] <bluebird> ty
[06:57] <dr_willis> Atlantic777:   topic will change when its done
[06:57] <reisio> Atlantic777: sometime today
[06:57] <ninjajeff> i have a pci nic installed in this machine. should i use the onboard or the card?
[06:57] <Lasers> Oh it's not out still? I assume it was!
[06:58] <dr_willis> !release
[06:58] <fmauro> ninjajeff: use the one that is working
[06:58] <ninjajeff> fmauro, touche
[06:58] <dr_willis> heh. theres some relese channel
[06:58] <Malgorath> was wondering if anyone could help me with an nvidia bug? It wont see my monitor proplery(Compaq W17q) and there for puts it in a very poor resolution.  http://pastebin.com/n82pVU1x is my bug report
[06:58] <Malgorath> !party
[06:59] <spikebike> heh, ubottu needs an update
[06:59] <ninjajeff> assuming i can get both working and need only one, which should i use?
[07:01] <fmauro> ninjajeff: it depends on what your final use for it is, but if it's for regular browsing use, it matters not
[07:01] <vsadevi> any good ubuntu server website for natty ubuntu to learn
[07:02] <Malgorath> vsadevi, do you mean nhow to setup a server?
[07:02] <dr_willis> vsadevi:  theres 100's of sites with guides and docs and so forth.
[07:02] <TehDGM> vsadevi: thats a bit of a broad subject. What do you want to do with it?
[07:02] <ninjajeff> for larger downloads, the card might perform better, i take it?
[07:02] <vsadevi> evry thing about ubuntu server on natty 11.04
[07:02] <Malgorath> vsadevi, downloading the server iso and installing it is pretty straight forward. even selecting rolls is defined there
[07:02] <dr_willis> ninjajeff:  i doubt if it will matter
[07:02] <vsadevi> I installed natyy 11.04 ,now i want to convert in to server ,
[07:03] <TehDGM> to serve what? websites?
[07:03] <dr_willis> vsadevi:  install the services you want... configure them. done
[07:03] <Atlantic777> vsadevi: for home usage or production?
[07:03] <vsadevi> ftp server,jave tomcat cat ,jboss so on
[07:03] <ninjajeff> ok. ill stick with onboard for now and work on other stuff
[07:03] <fmauro> ninjajeff: no, the card is facing your LAN with either 100MB/s or 1000MB/s and I really doubt your outbound WAN has that kind of bandwidth
[07:03] <Malgorath> vsadevi, google is your friend on that
[07:03] <vsadevi> to laearn and then take it to production
[07:04] <TehDGM> there are loads of tutorials on each individual subject you can easily find on google
[07:04] <fmauro> ninjajeff: (reply to earlier point)
[07:04] <TehDGM> dont search for something that explains "everything" but search for each individual topic
[07:04] <dr_willis> vsadevi:  always a good idea to go learn ssh well. ;)
[07:04] <TehDGM> you will find that setting up what you want is pretty straight forward
[07:05] <Malgorath> tweaking is the time consumer
[07:05] <TehDGM> yup
[07:05] <anon_user> ninjajeff, if you stck w/onboard you can take out the pci nic and replace it with some other fun pci device ;)
[07:05]  * fmauro imagines fun pci devices
[07:05] <Malgorath> like this stupid monitor i have... omg i can barely stand this 1300x768 resolution... its so ... blocky
[07:05]  * TehDGM doesn't have pci slots
[07:06] <Malgorath> TehDGM, dongle?
[07:06]  * dr_willis recalls using a ntsc tv as a monitor....
[07:06] <TehDGM> naw i got only pci-e slots
[07:06] <vsadevi> how to run jackd server sound on ubuntu natty
[07:06] <dr_willis> !jackd
[07:07] <Malgorath> vsadevi, as stated before... google that very question and get like 100,000+ hits
[07:07] <dr_willis> hmm there3s some guides on that i recall
[07:07] <TehDGM> either way, rtfgr :)
[07:07] <dr_willis> jackd was overkill for my needs. ;)
[07:07] <TehDGM> (where gr is google results xD)
[07:08] <dr_willis> !jack
[07:08] <t0rakka> greetings, is there any shell command to see how fast one is writing to a device (currently) .. I don't mean to benchmark, but rather to know how fast I am writing to a device RIGHT NOW (aka. currently)
[07:08] <t0rakka> cat /proc/???
[07:08] <vsadevi> I need to    recordscreenssion with record mydesktop ,and it is asking for jackd to run in background
[07:08] <dr_willis> vsadevi:  that can work with pulse audio also i belive
[07:09] <Malgorath> was wondering if anyone could help me with an nvidia bug? It wont see my monitor proplery(Compaq W17q) and there for puts it in a very poor resolution.  http://pastebin.com/n82pVU1x is my bug report
[07:09] <dr_willis> vsadevi:  or just fire up the packagee mamager and install jackd
[07:09] <vsadevi> it is only taking alsa or default device but sound is not coming
[07:09] <phartz> sudo ap-get install jackd2?
[07:10] <dr_willis> ive seen guides on recording sound with record mydesktop. had to tell it specifically to use pulse i remember
[07:10] <Malgorath> vsadevi, part of the freedom of linux is learning to do for yourself and when others point you in a direction to not ignore it but take the mantle and plow on.
[07:11] <vsadevi>  i dont now how to configure it with pulse audio
[07:11] <Malgorath> vsadevi, google it
[07:11] <dr_willis> 'recordmydesktop' is nice but needs a little work.
[07:11] <dr_willis> vsadevi:  i had to google a bit to learn how.
[07:12] <dr_willis> had to istall a few pulse tools and change a setting i recall
[07:12] <stephni> must i run this /usr/bin/lmms ? b4 i start lmms
[07:12] <Vermicelli> My proc fan is running high, and running sensors only yields aj@ajs-dt:~$ sensors
[07:12] <Vermicelli> k10temp-pci-00c3
[07:12] <Vermicelli> Adapter: PCI adapter
[07:12] <Vermicelli> temp1:       +44.9°C  (high = +70.0°C)
[07:12] <Vermicelli> What should I do to check/control fan speed?
[07:13] <dr_willis> stephni:  if thats the command that runs lmms, then that would make sense
[07:13] <kylesum> hi, just started using unity over class gnome2. the 'shell' opens full screen is there anyway i can change this?
[07:13] <andeeeuk> does anyone know when 11.10 will be in the update manager?
[07:13] <Malgorath> Vermicelli, please don't flood. use pastebin
[07:13] <inzzz> tomorrow i think?
[07:14] <Vermicelli> Apologies.
[07:14] <jsona> try to re-update your manager @andeeeuk
[07:14] <dr_willis> andeeeuk:  what ver. are you using now?
[07:14] <inzzz> or today
[07:14] <maalac> need help in configuring HP wireless
[07:14] <maalac> with active key badge
[07:14] <andeeeuk> i am using 11.04
[07:14] <andeeeuk> what do you mean re-update your manager?
[07:15] <jsona> try to refresh it
[07:15] <jsona> or do it some other time
[07:15] <andeeeuk> i have just done an update this morning
[07:15] <dr_willis> you could be upgradeing now if you really wanted to...
[07:15] <andeeeuk> thought it was just basic updates
[07:16] <jsona> yes i agree to that dr_willis
[07:16] <philipballew>  how would i port scan to see in p 22 is open?
[07:16] <andeeeuk> I want to upgrade now but only really want to do it through the manager
[07:16] <kylesum> philipballew: are you familiar with nmap
[07:16] <MrHobo> just wondering, if i found something small like changing a font completely messes up fonts in rhythmbox using gtk3, should i send it as a bug or is it too small and silly for them to care? :p, if i switch to zekton which  is quite a common font for people to use, any size it totally messes it up
[07:16] <dr_willis> getting the alt-cd via torrents would be fastest way tomorrow i imagine
[07:16] <dr_willis> !upgrade
[07:17] <philipballew> kylesum, yeah, I have it installed
[07:17] <philipballew> I was curious the comand i use to check
[07:17] <andeeeuk> thanks
[07:17] <jsona> try it again then
[07:17] <andeeeuk> I will have a look
[07:17] <kylesum> i believe nmap -p 22 <ip addr/ ip range> should work
[07:17] <SpiderFred> is learning to write with all ten fingers worth it? do you know somw good linux program for learning?
[07:18] <louie> how you guys doing listen I got another computer its a compaq presario how can i upgrade it
[07:18] <dr_willis> SpiderFred:  you mean learning to type?
[07:18] <SpiderFred> dr_willis: yes thats what I meant
[07:18] <dr_willis> theres typing tutorial apps out thers
[07:18] <somsip> SpiderFred: Believe me, it's better than typing badly for 30 years, then trying to learn how to do it...
[07:19] <dr_willis> i only use 8 fingers. ;)
[07:19] <andeeeuk> would anyone say it is not worth upgrading util you see the upgrade in the upgrade manager?
[07:19] <somsip> dr_willis: i only started to use the CTRl and SHFT on the right side of the keyboard last week...
[07:19] <TehDGM> i'd say i use 9,5, thumbs are mostly just spacebar
[07:20] <louie>     
[07:20] <dr_willis> andeeeuk:  depends on your needs.. you could wait a week to upgrade if you wanted to
[07:20] <jsona> yea that's abso-fucking-lutely right
[07:20] <louie> well its slow and its suppose to be a windows 7
[07:20] <Lasers> Week? Wait a year or two.
[07:20] <jsona> well i fyou format and re-install it
[07:21] <dr_willis> i tend to install the beta/rc then update the day befor release.. then wait a week  befor updateing to final.
[07:22] <andeeeuk> ok, nice one
[07:22] <anon_user> philipballew,    nmap -A -T4 127.0.0.1 will show all open ports and associated services on your local machine
[07:22] <costin> when there ubuntu 11.10?
[07:22] <dr_willis> avoid that first day traffic jam.
[07:22] <andeeeuk> I think i will wait for a while
[07:22] <louie> well i appreciate whatever help or advice u guys can give me
[07:22] <zmbmartin> I am super impressed with 11.10
[07:22] <andeeeuk> yeah, it is always busy for the first day
[07:23] <philipballew> alright, thanks :)
[07:23] <dr_willis> and theres always a lot of bug fix's the first few  weeks.
[07:23] <andeeeuk> louie: i have a compaq presario also and you will upgrade the normal way
[07:24] <andeeeuk> everything should work out the box with this laptop
[07:24] <costin> I speak only here ?
[07:24] <louie> thank u andeeeuk
[07:24] <dr_willis> costin:  hmm?
[07:25] <dr_willis> !party
[07:26] <jsona> can you repost that again?
[07:26] <andeeeuk> no problem
[07:26] <louie> andeeuk what if I wanted to turn it into a mac notebook
[07:26] <andeeeuk> louie, download a mac skin for ubuntu
[07:26] <andeeeuk> i wouldnt know tbh
[07:27] <louie> veronika
[07:27] <jsona> there isn't mac skin for ubuntu
[07:27] <costin> What is the difference daily build and the finale?
[07:27] <louie> i meant for the mac
[07:27] <louie> for the compaq
[07:28] <TehDGM> ehm
[07:28] <andeeeuk> i am not a mac user at all so i wouldnt know
[07:28] <andeeeuk> there are many mac skins for ubuntu as I used to use them all the time
[07:28] <andeeeuk> maybe not for gnome3
[07:32] <jsona> guys why do you all quit for no reason???????????
[07:34] <steffenchr> Does anybody know what time ubuntu is released ? :)
[07:39] <hubrt> hello
[07:39] <fmauro> hello
[07:39] <costin> is ok to install 11.10 daily build ?
[07:39] <tensorpudding> 11.10 is not on topic until it releases within the next few hours
[07:39] <tensorpudding> but you can rest assured it won't change in that time
[07:43] <stimpie> how can I start an  x application on top of my other applications from the command line?
[07:44] <Guest87159> sdfASDF
[07:44] <fmauro> stimpie: does executing the command from the terminal not do the trick?
[07:44] <Guest87159> jest tu jakiś polak
[07:44] <Vermicelli> Should I be worried about any of this? http://pastebin.com/N4Una0wj
[07:45] <stimpie> fmauro, it starts on top but it should remain on top. The 'always on top' property should be set.
[07:45] <tensorpudding> !pl | Guest87159
[07:45] <tensorpudding> oh, you left
[07:45] <SunTsu> Hi there
[07:45] <TehDGM> durka!
[07:45] <TehDGM> hey
[07:45] <fmauro> stimpie: ah got it, lemme think
[07:47] <Reave> Does anyone know what time today 11.10 is coming out? Or what Time zone Canonical runs off ?
[07:47] <Ty> It'll be out when the release manager says it is
[07:48] <Reave> Ty okay, was just wondering, im in Perth Australia and wasnt sure if there was a defined time that they release stuff or not
[07:49] <vsadevi> how do i know weather pulse ,alsa or jack is being used on my natty ubuntu  right now
[07:49] <fmauro> stimpie: how about wmctrl?
[07:49] <saadi> need a small favor, will offer something back as a gratitude... pm me please
[07:50] <shizzlej> #java
[07:51] <stimpie> fmauro, thats should do it.
[07:51] <Reave> Has anyone had any luck installing PHotoshop CS5 Extended in Ubuntu?? I know a few mon ths ago it wouldnt install, but i was wondering if anyone had found a work around
[07:52] <cristi-marineru> cs5 from wat y know does not worck on wine yet ....
[07:54] <kilon> hi there, what is the command for the terminal with which can search for a file even if it is hidden ?
[07:54] <ninjafish> Hey, is it just me or is all of google's services down?
[07:55] <ninjafish> Even their 8.8.8.8 dns isn't responding
[07:55] <ninjafish> or the android app market
[07:55] <ninjafish> Can anyone confirm?
[07:56] <TehDGM> ninjafish: no problems here
[07:56] <red> I set my systray-whitelist to ['all'] but none of my installed indicators appear - do I need to reboot?
[07:56] <ninjafish> TehDGM: are you in the US?
[07:56] <TehDGM> europe, netherlands
[07:56] <cristi-marineru> working
[07:56] <ninjafish> Are you able to ping 8.8.8.8?
[07:56] <cristi-marineru> :)) europe , Romania
[07:56] <TehDGM> pinging 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 replies in 9-10ms
[07:57] <ninjafish> Its not just my ISP, because I cant get to it from my phone either (which is on 3g)
[07:57] <vsadevi> how do I know weather pulse ,alsa or jack is currently being used by natty any command and how to switch between them
[07:58] <DannySeo> Hi, Anybody knows when ubuntu 11.10 official will be released?
[07:59] <spikebike> today!
[07:59] <DannySeo> Yes, but be soon? ;)
[07:59] <rigved> DannySeo: in a few hours
[08:00] <pis0ga> unity still used ??
[08:00] <DannySeo> unity is still in 11.10 beta.
[08:01] <cjs> I think the daily build of 11.10 I just installed on hdd1 may have wiped out and replaced the grub configuration on hdd0, making it now boot the OS from hdd1 rather than hdd0. Where do I talk about this, and any thoughts on how to fix it?
[08:01] <rigved> pis0ga: yes. but you can choose whichever Desktop Environment that you want.
[08:02] <red> Hi, I can click indicators in my right hand screen, but not left hand screen
[08:02] <rigved> cjs: the grub menu will allow you to choose between 11.10 and whatever OS that you had earlier
[08:02] <meta_coder> Quote: "Defect-free software does not exist." -Wietse Venema
[08:04] <cjs> rigved: If boot from HDD1, I get just a blinking cursor. Looks like it has no grub. When I boot HDD0, and hit ESC during the boot, I get a grub screen that gives me only options for booting HDD1.
[08:04] <celltech> What's the command to run a program in admin mode?
[08:04] <Ty> sudo
[08:05] <celltech> So I can go sudo bleachbit and it'll run in admin mode?
[08:05] <pis0ga> cjs: you can google "recovery grub2" or "wiki grub2"
[08:07] <Ty> celltech, yes
[08:07] <celltech> Thank you. Now last question. Is there a way to do a memory/ram dumb if my computer starts slowing down? Without restarting it
[08:09] <Arnold> celltech, you could try looking into a memory optimization method called zRAM (which is based on compache)
[08:09] <celltech> Nice thank you
[08:09] <saadi> diablo thanks
[08:10] <Arnold> celltech, http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/increased-performance-in-linux-with.html
[08:10] <celltech> I will admit I'm running a 2.7ghz with only 512mb ram
[08:10] <celltech> I'm too lazy and cheap to upgrade
[08:11] <Arnold> celltech, tell me about it. :P  But this should work just fine, since compression is quite effective from what I experienced.
[08:12] <rotflcopter> yeah its really difficult and expensivee to get the case side off and insert a 2GB ddr3 module
[08:12] <celltech> Nice. thank you... I'm willing to try almost anything cause I like ubuntu. If it F's up. just reinstall it over its self and all documents stay in tact
[08:12] <ikonia> celltech: tone down the language
[08:13] <celltech> I did. that's why I used 1 letter and not the word
[08:13] <ikonia> celltech: how about don't use it at all,
[08:13] <Reave> celltech just saw your post about running the 2.7ghz with 512MB RAM, i was running a 2.4Ghz P4 with 1GB RAM with Ubuntu for ages, WindowsXP Lagged like hell, and i can understand how you were "Too Cheap" to upgrade, or should i say, Dont need to upgrade. Ubuntu runs well on even the most basic hardware
[08:13] <ikonia> celltech: have a problem, are incorrect, are broken, are wrong, are all ways normal people can express something without trying to swear
[08:15] <ljsoftnet> my sensors in the terminal show temperatures, how do i put it in conky, whats the code?
[08:15] <Lithos84> Hello. I was banned from #ubuntu-release-party because I said an offensive sentence. I just misread what somebody else said about beer and something else. Is there a way I can be forgiven so I can join the party. I wont do it again. I was an accident.
[08:15] <celltech> The only thing I don't dig about ubuntu is when it updates. the updates are crazy big...
[08:15] <iceroot> Lithos84: #ubuntu-ops
[08:15] <reisio> celltech: between versions, you mean?
[08:15] <Lithos84> iceroot: Thank you.
[08:15] <reisio> celltech: it would be nicer if they had a clearer final goal
[08:16] <pis0ga> anyone knows to show up time on xchat? I mean time for each chat message :)
[08:16] <celltech> No just recently. it was a 100mb update... That's kinda big for a security
[08:16] <pis0ga> this is the first time i am on irc :D
[08:16] <reisio> pis0ga: welcome
[08:16] <celltech> Yeah. I do love the simplicity of 11.04
[08:16] <reisio> pis0ga: behold the text and join/part messages!~
[08:17] <celltech> but it's constant update
[08:17] <TehDGM> i hate the UI, thats all i'll say about it
[08:17] <TehDGM> but its linux so its fixable
[08:17] <pis0ga> reisio: how to show up time for each message on xchat ?
[08:17] <celltech> I'm trying to find a tutorial of purging out things I don't need personally
[08:17] <reisio> pis0ga: let's see...
[08:17] <celltech> like I don't have a printer. don't need anything that has to do with it.
[08:17] <rotflcopter> 512MB was kindof ok to me on win98 and winxp
[08:18] <reisio> pis0ga: Settings > Preferences
[08:18] <rotflcopter> though i couldnt use it for vectorgraphics
[08:18] <reisio> pis0ga: Settings > Preferences > Interface > Textbox - timestamps
[08:18] <reisio> pis0ga: might I suggest enabling it for the logging, too
[08:18] <celltech> yeah but my computer was free... I got bored, built one out of parts. threw linux on it. and been on it ever since
[08:18] <reisio> pis0ga: and for the logging, eventually including the year is worthwhile :)
[08:18] <pis0ga> ah, i found it :D
[08:19] <Arnold> rotflcopter, seems like there were some tests done with Windows 8 M3.. and it runs on 64MB of RAM too. You only have like 4MB free, though. :P
[08:19] <pis0ga> thanks much :D
[08:19] <celltech> My biggest annoyance is the lack of itunes since I'm an iphone user
[08:19] <celltech> and VMware doesn't do what I want the way I want
[08:19] <rotflcopter> haha
[08:19] <mfauzirahman> 11.10 is coming.....using on it now...thank Ubuntu
[08:19] <mfauzirahman> 11.10 is coming.....using on it now...thank Ubuntu
[08:19] <airtonix> celltech: itunes should be you're annoyance... no the lack of
[08:19] <airtonix> your*
[08:19] <rotflcopter> i thought windowz 8 will be 10 DVD
[08:19] <Kartagis> what time is oneiric due?
[08:20] <celltech> I do hate itunes. but I need it to jailbreak and unlock my phone. I havn't been able to find a stable linux jailbreaker yet
[08:20] <reisio> Kartagis: sometime today
[08:20] <reisio> #ubuntu-release-party
[08:20] <iceroot> celltech: why not buy a phone which doesnt need a jailbreak to be usable... also please put apple-stuff not in here
[08:20] <airtonix> celltech: time to get an android phone instead hey? (life is much easier)
[08:20] <Kartagis> reisio: no fixed time then
[08:20] <ljsoftnet> my sensors in the terminal show temperatures, how do i put it in conky, whats the code?
[08:20] <airtonix> i forget which is the +1 channel
[08:20] <celltech> I don't like android at all personally
[08:20] <reisio> Kartagis: read #ubuntu-release-party's topic
[08:21] <Kartagis> I did
[08:21] <iceroot> !ot | celltech
[08:21] <Kartagis> reisio: anyway, how do I set the default hostname so that I don't have to touch /etc/hosts?
[08:21] <Reave-Magentium> celltech may i ask why you dont like android?
[08:22] <darkerberos> is there a  command like [Mac OS X open command] in Ubuntu?
[08:22] <mekwall> elky: lena is spambot
[08:22] <ikonia> Reave-Magentium: celltech sounds like a good discussion for the #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:22] <iceroot> darkerberos: alt +f2?
[08:22] <celltech> Just not a fan. Used it and it's too much of a toy to me.
[08:22] <lagi> hohohoh
[08:22] <Reave-Magentium> ikonia sorry :P not a problem.
[08:22] <ikonia> Reave-Magentium: no issue, sounds a good discussion
[08:22] <Reave-Magentium> Does anyone know if Oneiric will have the (RightClick desktop -> New Launcher) ability again?
[08:23] <darkerberos> @iceroot: I just wanna open some outter program in Terminal
[08:23] <iceroot> darkerberos: just write down the program name
[08:23] <Reave-Magentium> ikonia sometimes i forget that this is only ubuntu, as my own IRC is sort of offtopic no matter what :P
[08:23] <airtonix> darkerberos: yes, gvfs-open
[08:23] <airtonix> darkerberos: i think
[08:23] <ghostnik11> can someone tell me where i can get the latest ubuntu 11.10 iso
[08:24] <iceroot> ghostnik11: #ubuntu+1
[08:24] <ikonia> ghostnik11: it's not released yet
[08:24] <airtonix> darkerberos: yeah gvfs-open is the desktop-environment agnostic way to open the default filemanager at a particular location
[08:24] <alpiner> http://thisisthecountdown.com/
[08:24] <ghostnik11> ikonia: what? what do u mean its not released yet, i have been waiting for this for a long time, they said the 13th of october
[08:24] <darkerberos> gnome-open is available for me
[08:24] <Reave-Magentium> ghostnikll Ubuntu 11.10 should be released at some point today, not sure when though. I would wait for a few more hours then try ubuntu.com
[08:25] <darkerberos> thanks everyone
[08:25] <iceroot> ghostnik11: #ubuntu+1
[08:25] <airtonix> darkerberos: it may be, but don't count on it for other users
[08:25] <iceroot> ghostnik11: #ubuntu-release-party
[08:25] <DannySeo> ghostnik11: I also still waiting.
[08:25] <Schr0dinger> are there any benefits to doing a partial upgrade now (will it make the full upgrade faster later?) or would it be better to wait for the full release?
[08:25] <Schr0dinger> of 11.10
[08:25] <iceroot> Schr0dinger: the best is to never touch a running system
[08:25] <airtonix> darkcharl: actually i think there is an even more agnostic way to do it something about xdg-open
[08:25] <Reave-Magentium> schr0dinger no it will not, it will upgrade to the 11.10 release Candidate, and it is NOT recommended to upgrade from Beta to release
[08:25] <iceroot> Schr0dinger: and dont make upgrades on release-day
[08:25] <Reave-Magentium> iceroot i second that, i upgraded my laptop to 11.10, worked well for a while but tehn i started getting errors
[08:26] <iceroot> Reave-Magentium: of course it is recommend
[08:26] <iceroot> Reave-Magentium: there are no differences
[08:26] <Schr0dinger> iceroot,  how long would you recommend waiting to upgrade?
[08:26] <Reave-Magentium> iceroot my appologies, i meant that it is not recommended to to an upgrade on release day with latest updates, thats what i heard anyway, correct me if i am wrong ^_^
[08:26] <iceroot> Schr0dinger: until it is stable and you really need it
[08:26] <airtonix> iceroot: except for the updates that come through the repos (that change over time)
[08:26] <ghostnik11> this is not fair bro, dannyseo: they made me think it would be released at midnight i am still waiting and I am in the east coast of states
[08:26] <Schr0dinger> ok thanks guys :D
[08:27] <fmauro> ghostnik11: you could get a daily build, it's not going to chance much if you need it that badly
[08:27] <fmauro> *change
[08:27] <Reave-Magentium> What would the best CROSS PLATFORM language be that i can create programs in using Ubuntu? I know its a little off topic, but i only ever use Ubuntu so thought i may ask
[08:28] <anli__> When I have set the size of the font to 33% in nautilus, it seems that not all folders are affected, why?
[08:28] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: GUI apps?
[08:28] <airtonix> Reave-Magentium: python and py-side
[08:28] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: it's all pretty cross platform these days
[08:28] <Reave-Magentium> ghostnikll i am in perth Australia GMT+8, its 4:30pm here and im still waiting haha
[08:28] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: C, Perl, Python; GTK+, Qt
[08:28] <DannySeo> ghostnik11: where are you ?
[08:28] <fmauro> Reave-Magentium: Y u no java?
[08:28] <Element_> I have question, where i can add a new elements to the top panel?
[08:28] <Reave-Magentium> reisio yes, i am trying to make an application which connects to my server and shows server uptime statistics etc
[08:28] <airtonix> lol java
[08:28] <ljsoftnet> my sensors in the terminal show temperatures, how do i put it in conky, whats the code?
[08:28] <reisio> fmauro: what airtonix said
[08:28] <Kartagis> reisio: where do I put in my hostname so that /etc/hosts inherits it? /etc/hostname?
[08:29] <Reave-Magentium> aitronix python i have a bit of experience in so i may try that
[08:29] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: C then
[08:29] <iceroot> !host | Kartagis
[08:29] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: or C++ if you're one of those :p
[08:29] <Reave-Magentium> fmauro are you serious? Ive tried java before and its probably the WORST programming language ever
[08:29] <iceroot> !hosts | Kartagis
[08:29] <airtonix> Reave-Magentium: if you're goint to make a gui then make sure to use qt4 (pyside) instead of gtk
[08:29] <iceroot> !hostname | Kartagis
[08:29] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: good man
[08:29] <Reave-Magentium> reisio with C, is that easily installed onto Ubuntu and MacOSX?
[08:29] <ghostnik11> dannyseo: nyc
[08:29] <reisio> airtonix: nothing wrong with GTK+
[08:29] <fmauro> Reave-Magentium, reisio, airtonix, i guess it's scripting langs for you guys
[08:29] <Schr0dinger> who can i report spam PMs to? i got a funny spam right when i joined
[08:29] <airtonix> Reave-Magentium: no not really
[08:30] <iceroot> Schr0dinger: #ubuntu-ops
[08:30] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: yes, it'll save you from having to bundle an interpreter with your install distro
[08:30] <Daereth> Schr0dinger: i had someone proposition me for sex earlier
[08:30] <Reave-Magentium> airtonix yes QT4 was a definate for me.
[08:30] <Schr0dinger> yeah mine's a sex one too :P
[08:30] <anli__> Why not all here have sex instead
[08:30] <reisio> fmauro: I'll settle for languages that aren't awful and owned by Oracle :p
[08:30] <anli__> I sent a proposition
[08:30] <Kartagis> iceroot: /etc/hosts says not to edit it
[08:30] <reisio> anli__: well because it's a text medium
[08:30] <Reave-Magentium> so aitronix resisio and fmauro, you all suggest QT4 with either Python or C, and once its compiled it SHOULD work out of the box on Windows, Linux Distro's and Mac OSX?
[08:30] <reisio> Schr0dinger: #ubuntu-ops, probably
[08:30] <devkorcvince> also i got that 6 spam also
[08:30] <anli__> reisio: Its not easy to detect whether you are joking or not :)
[08:31] <DannySeo> ghostnik11: If you were in east of state, you can find so early at Oct. 23.Maybe you can today. :)
[08:31] <Reave-Magentium> reisio, that last message was supposed to point to you as well, typed your nick wrong :P
[08:31] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: it's more likely that it will merely take trivial tweaking to build it for each platform
[08:31] <fmauro> reisio: sure, whatever man, ignore a solid language with standarts and type-safety and automated garbage collection
[08:31] <ghostnik11> dannyseo; i am pissed i just did like 20 or more physics problems and was just looking forward to my ubuntu 11.10, so i can get away from 11.04 which i think is th worst ubuntu every released i lost my unity ability months ago and thank god the ubuntu developers allowed the ability to boot into ubuntu without unity and no graphics
[08:31] <DannySeo> ghostnik11: You're waiting from very early maybe 4 am? :)
[08:31] <Gruber> hey
[08:31] <reisio> fmauro: I will thanks :)
[08:31] <Reave-Magentium> reisio i dont mind havingt o do a little bit of chnges, i just dont want to have to code it in 3 different languages for one simple program
[08:32] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: that you won't have to do
[08:32] <mfauzirahman> What is the release time?
[08:32] <yonathan> is it out yet?
[08:32] <reisio> mfauzirahman: see #ubuntu-release-party's topic
[08:32] <Gruber> yonathan: I don't think so
[08:32] <Reave-Magentium> reisio oh good, ive had experience with C a little bit, more Python. is C Anything similar to VB? Cos i HATE VB :P
[08:33] <Reave-Magentium> mfauzirahman and yonathan no it has not been released just yet, please wait
[08:33] <fmauro> Reave-Magentium: C/C++ is hardly cross-platform
[08:33] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: no, nothing is similar to VB :p
[08:33] <ghostnik11> dannyseo: i have been waiting from 12 am october 13, 2011, literally, its 4 am now in nyc and i want my ubuntu 11.10, i already planed out how i would go to bed: "installing ubuntu 11.10 and getting like an hour to see whats new" and now its all messed up b/c its not here yet
[08:33] <reisio> fmauro: you have just made the most hilarious statement of all time
[08:33] <DannySeo> ghostnik11: based on news, 11.10 might not be stable yet, unity.
[08:33] <Reave-Magentium> fmauro thats what i was thinking..., reisio do you suggest C or Python? I like python a lot....
[08:33] <Gruber> ghostnik11: get a life - getting it after the announcment won't change it's features
[08:33] <reisio> particularly given your recent defense of Java™, which is cross platform because of C
[08:33] <Gruber> ghostnik11: go to bed, wake up the next morning download and upgrade
[08:34] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: Python will save you compile time
[08:34] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: it depends on how complex your program is going to be
[08:34] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: or how efficient you want it to be, etc.
[08:34] <mfauzirahman> no body in #ubuntu-release-party
[08:34] <fmauro> reisio: I don't know what your beef is mate but C/C++ is cross-platform if you compile with each API, which is not what Reave is looking for when he says one code to rule them all
[08:34] <Gruber> mfauzirahman: there is
[08:34] <DannySeo> ghostnik11: I hope that you can get great comfortability and will have nice sleep. :)
[08:34] <yonathan> I wish you could compile Python to machine code
[08:34] <reisio> mfauzirahman: you must have typed it wrong
[08:34] <RichTUK> lol theres 100s there
[08:34] <RichTUK> 230+
[08:35] <ghostnik11> gruber: this is the worst day
[08:35] <reisio> fmauro: that's not my understanding of what he asked for
[08:35] <mfauzirahman> #ubuntu-release-party's right?
[08:35] <reisio> fmauro: particularly given his statement about hating Java™, clearly he knows the difference
[08:35] <reisio> mfauzirahman: yes
[08:35] <reisio> tell them to set -s
[08:35] <mfauzirahman> only me & sushant
[08:35] <Reave-Magentium> reisio basically i run a minecraft server, i want to develop a python script on the server that basically says IF this process is running, then send this to any  client that connects on a certain port. I read up that it is really easy to do. Bascially its a desktop program that runs in the taskbar that tells peope if the server is offline, and if it is online says how may players are online. I know how to code it but i ne
[08:35] <Reave-Magentium> ed to get a decent GUI going.
[08:36] <reisio> mfauzirahman: it's possible your freenode server is insane
[08:36] <RichTUK> mfauzirahman: #ubuntu-release-party
[08:36] <RichTUK> no "'s"
[08:37] <mfauzirahman> now got 3 user
[08:37] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: well Qt and GTK+ are very cross platform these days
[08:37] <mfauzirahman> how to fix it?
[08:37] <reisio> they're in -party's :p
[08:38] <Reave-Magentium> reisio and fmauro i basically want to compile a python program as a .dmg image, .exe and .sh script. i Seriously HATE java, its the most overly complex language that ive used, and i am looking for something that is easily coded and compiled into some sort of GUI for the 3 operating systems. Hopefully this clears up the confusion. In Short, No Java, Easy Coding, and Easy Compile for the 3 platforms
[08:38] <Gruber> thats where everyone is
[08:38] <mfauzirahman> got it..tq
[08:38] <iceroot> mfauzirahman: #ubuntu-release-party
[08:38] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: yes, that's what I thought you wanted
[08:38] <fmauro> Reave-Magentium: yes then go with a scripting language like python
[08:38] <Gruber> oops, bad connection
[08:39] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: C or Python (or Perl), Qt or GTK+, any of those
[08:39] <RichTUK> iceroot: hes already there, hes showing as there in when i type his name anyway
[08:39] <iceroot> RichTUK: ok
[08:39] <Reave-Magentium> reisio and fmauro, oky i wll try Python (dont really like perl too much) and will try Qt as ive done that before with it. Thank you for your help guys ^_^
[08:40] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: have fun now
[08:40] <fmauro> Reave-Magentium: maybe you want to look at quickly
[08:40] <Reave-Magentium> fmauro look at what quickly ?
[08:41] <fmauro> Reave-Magentium: it makes the creation/pusblishing/mantaining of python packages in ubuntu, package: quickly
[08:41] <ghostnik11> wait ubuntu headquarters is based where exactly?
[08:41] <ljsoftnet> how do i remove letter a, in {hwmon temp 1} in conky
[08:41] <Reave-Magentium> sorry fmauro, what program are you talking about?
[08:41] <fmauro> Reave-Magentium: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Quickly
[08:41] <reisio> ghostnik11: London
[08:41] <ljsoftnet> nevermind
[08:42] <ghostnik11> reisio: cool thanks
[08:42] <Reave-Magentium> fmauro, i will have a look at that now =D Also, now that i know i will use Python and QT, can either you or reisio recommend any good programs to code it in?
[08:42] <Gruber> ghostnik11: is there a reason you keep asking this, you where told in another channel not long ago
[08:42] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: kdevelop? :)
[08:42] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: you don't use KDE?
[08:43] <ghostnik11> gruber: thats the first time i asked that question
[08:43] <Reave-Magentium> reisio - I use Unity at the moment, running 11.04 WAITING for 11.10 to be released so i can go back to Gnome3, BUT i can run KDE happily without it ^_^
[08:43] <ljsoftnet> whats the code in degrees, in conky
[08:43] <reisio> mmm
[08:44] <reisio> if you're already attached to any particular editor, just use that
[08:44] <reisio> if you want an IDE, kdevelop is probably the most comprehensive one for Qt apps
[08:44] <ex0z> I have a swap partition on my drive that is rougly 9 gigs for some reason from other operating system installs and i would like to see if ubuntu is actually using that swap part. or what and also to decrease the size ..
[08:45] <reisio> ex0z: how much RAM?
[08:45] <llutz_> ex0z: "swapon -s"
[08:45] <Reave-Magentium> reisio - Sorry, my Programmign is a little rusty, IDE = Integrated Developement Environment correct? Not commandline?
[08:45] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: right
[08:45] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: and more than just a text editor
[08:45] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: they tend to have a lot of GUI options, for compilation and blah blah blah
[08:45] <Reave-Magentium> reisio thought so :P so kDevelop, does that have QT and python built in ?
[08:46] <reisio> shortcuts to GUI design screens probably, even
[08:46] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: support for them, I'm sure
[08:46] <ex0z> ok, i just wanna make sure ubuntu is using it and i also wanna decrease the size of the swap partition because i only have ubuntu on this computer as of now and plan to keep it that way. so i should only need like 2, 3 gigs max
[08:46] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: it is a KDE app, though, so it'll draw in KDE deps
[08:46] <reisio> ex0z: how much RAM?
[08:47] <anon_user> Reave-Magentium, I am writing a program in pyqt eight now usin Eclipse IDE and PyDev.  It rocks.  Code completion, definitions, debugging.
[08:47] <ex0z> i have 3 gigs ram
[08:47] <anon_user> eight> right
[08:47] <reisio> ex0z: you ever hibernate/suspend the box?
[08:47] <ex0z> when using swapon -s nothing is output
[08:47] <fmauro> ex0z: your swap is normally twice the size of your RAM, if you decrease it you may lose the ability to hibernate, suspend should work fine
[08:47] <llutz_> ex0z: so ubuntu doesn't use your swap
[08:48] <ex0z> reisio: rarely
[08:48] <reisio> fmauro: that's an antiquated rule
[08:48] <iceroot> ex0z: there is only output when an error happened
[08:48] <ljsoftnet> how do i put degrees Celsius as out put in conky?
[08:48] <ex0z> i know the size i need it to be.. i just want to decrease the swap partition that i have..
[08:48] <ex0z> i guess
[08:48] <ex0z> i know how to do that
[08:48] <fmauro> reisio: mind my statement, i said normally, as in if you use ubiquity
[08:48] <reisio> ex0z: for hibernation there's some use for having swap be as large as your RAM (3GB)
[08:48] <Reave-Magentium> anon_user pyqt 8? Eclipse IDE and PyDev, i will check those out :)
[08:48] <reisio> ex0z: other than that you can make it quite small or completely gone with 3GB, if you really want to
[08:48] <llutz_> iceroot: on "swapon -s"?? it just tells you the state of any swap, no errors or wahtever
[08:48] <ex0z> but i wanted to see if ubuntu was actually using that partition for swap or not.. because its hda5 and ubuntu is on hda1
[08:49] <reisio> fmauro: irrelevant
[08:49] <anon_user> pyqt4..eight was meant to be right....typo
[08:49] <ljsoftnet> how do i put degrees Celsius i mean this °C as out put in conky?
[08:49] <reisio> ex0z: /etc/fstab would know
[08:49] <reisio> ljsoftnet: that doesn't work?
[08:49] <ex0z> perfect
[08:49] <ex0z> thank you reisio
[08:49] <reisio> np
[08:49] <ljsoftnet> it has a letter a before °C
[08:49] <Reave-Magentium> reisio i agree, i have a swap size of 8GB on this laptop (4GB RAM) and it hibernates fine, i found that a Spaw any larger then that makes no difference really
[08:49] <iceroot> llutz_: ah sorry -s i thought -a
[08:49] <ljsoftnet> it has a letter A before °C
[08:49] <Creap> How long until 11.10 is released?
[08:50] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: I can't imagine having 8GB swap instead of just 4 for that box making a difference
[08:50] <ljsoftnet> reisio it has a letter A before °C
[08:50] <reisio> Reave-Magentium: unless you get into some crazy intense media processing
[08:50] <TehDGM> i think it has a letter A before C
[08:50] <reisio> ljsoftnet: mmm, maybe an encoding mismatch
[08:50] <ljsoftnet> TehDGM yeah
[08:50] <TehDGM> xD
[08:51] <reisio> ljsoftnet: isutf8 from the package 'moreutils' can tell you if it's utf-8
[08:51] <Reave-Magentium> reisio, yeah i find that even 4GB is enough. Just realised that im only running 4GB of spawn now, must have been my old laptop running 8GB
[08:51] <ljsoftnet> reisio how do i do it?
[08:51] <reisio> I have a 20GB swap :p but not because I need that much
[08:51] <ex0z> ok, its in the fstab as using it
[08:51] <reisio> ljsoftnet: isutf8 filename
[08:52] <reisio> ljsoftnet: sudo apt-get install moreutils to install it
[08:52] <TehDGM> yea if you have multiple gigs to spare, then it's no use to worry over a few of them
[08:52] <Reave-Magentium> reisio my desktop has a 16GB Swap (8gb ram) because i do CUDA processing and i find that it helps if it can save it all to HDD AS It goes
[08:52] <ex0z> how can i shrink the swap size?
[08:52] <ex0z> or should i not>
[08:52] <Reave-Magentium> you can try Gparted
[08:52] <TehDGM> unless you realllly need space, i wouldnt
[08:52] <Reave-Magentium> or the KParted (may have name wrong)
[08:52] <ex0z> diskutility didnt wanna let me
[08:53] <ex0z> maybe i have to be on a live disk..
[08:53] <ex0z> ?
[08:53] <TehDGM> yes
[08:53] <fmauro> ex0z: don't forget to swapoff before resizing
[08:53] <TehDGM> it cant be in use
[08:53] <Reave-Magentium> the more Swap you have the more room you have for if you save anything. I was once working on a LARGE program on my PC (3DS Max 2012 design) and my computer hibernated randomly, it saved it all to Swap and i didnt lose a thing.
[08:54] <Vampire> how many OS are there on this world
[08:54] <TehDGM> i didnt know 3ds max worked on linux
[08:54] <Vampire> i know win,mac,ubuntu,linux
[08:54] <TehDGM> Vampire: ubuntu is linux
[08:54] <yonathan> Vampire: Isn't ubuntu a subset of linux
[08:55] <Reave-Magentium> vampire- if you count all the linux distrobutions, there are HUNDREDS
[08:55] <TehDGM> no its a distribution
[08:55] <Vampire> i thought ubuntu and linux are diffrent a
[08:55] <reisio> Vampire: there are quite a lot :)
[08:55] <TehDGM> theres also rtos's, bsd based, hobby os'es
[08:55] <yonathan> I couldn't come up with a better term than subset
[08:55] <TehDGM> loads and loads
[08:55] <reisio> Vampire: a more interesting question might be how many OSes are there that aren't based on Unix or Windows
[08:55] <Reave-Magentium> TehDGM It does a little bit in Wine, not very well mine due. I forgot to mention that was on Windows, i know that Linux probably doesnt count with that side of the Hibernate feature, but in a general term i was lucky to have that much swap allocated
[08:56] <TehDGM> plan 9
[08:56] <TehDGM> os/2
[08:56] <yonathan> what makes an operating system
[08:56] <daniel__> #ubuntu-release-party
[08:56] <reisio> yonathan: a system for operating :p
[08:56] <Vampire> reisio... :)
[08:56] <Vampire> is there a website to know those
[08:56] <reisio> Vampire: wikipedia.org
[08:56] <markskilbeck> Is 11.10 being released today?
[08:56] <Reave-Magentium> I will get you the link Vampire ofr all Ubuntu dists
[08:56] <reisio> markskilbeck: yes, /join #ubuntu-release-party
[08:57] <reisio> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_operating_systems
[08:57] <TehDGM> it boots the system, and allows for processes to run, either single or multiprocessed
[08:57] <yonathan> reisio: If I tweak Ubuntu and call it MyBuntu, is it a new OS?
[08:57] <Reave-Magentium> Vampire - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
[08:57] <reisio> yonathan: yes and no
[08:57] <n0ti0nis> Hi all, I need help. I've built a kernel from ubuntu git repo, I dont find the .changes file to upload packages to my PPA. Someone can help me
[08:57] <VampsDaBeast> Vampire : www.distrowatch.org has a good listing of many of the *nix based distros
[08:57] <Reave-Magentium> That is ONLY the well known LInux distributions
[08:57] <reisio> yonathan: mostly no :p
[08:57] <Vampire> thanks Reave
[08:57] <TehDGM> i'd say no, unless you make big changes to the kernel which is really the actual OS
[08:57] <cutiyar> just some one tell me when 11.10 is out?
[08:57] <ex0z> i was messing with it now swapon -a says cannot find device...
[08:57] <reisio> no kernels are not the OS
[08:57] <Reave-Magentium> Vampire your welcome, i cannot guarantee that is up to date, but it gives you an idea of how inferior Windows is in terms of Community Support
[08:57] <TehDGM> i dont consider bash or a gui part of the OS
[08:58] <n0ti0nis> I patched with BFS scheduler
[08:58] <n0ti0nis> so I made changes
[08:58] <reisio> TehDGM: your opinion is the periphery :p
[08:58] <TehDGM> i dont have opinions, i only speak facts </troll> xD
[08:58] <reisio> heh
[08:58] <Reave-Magentium> TehDGM I second that motion and raise you a +1, i run a server with Ubuntu Server 11.04 running with on GUI, doesnt mean its not an operating system, means its an operating system for people wont want o get things done FAST
[08:59] <siddharth> hi all
[08:59] <llutz_> !ot
[08:59] <markskilbeck> sup siddharth
[08:59] <reisio> the kernel and userland are both important, neither is an OS on its own
[08:59] <siddharth> m eagerly waiting for 11.10
[08:59] <Reave-Magentium> hello siddharth :)
[08:59] <Reave-Magentium> Arnt we all :p
[08:59] <siddharth> hii reave :)
[08:59] <siddharth> wassup
[08:59] <n0ti0nis> for those interested in ubuntu kernel patched with BFS-skiplists: http://gik0x.blogspot.com/2011/10/ubuntu-1110-kernel-30-bfs-skiplist.html
[08:59] <reisio> there are a lot more kernels than userlands out there, however, so technically the userland is more important :p
[08:59] <TehDGM> i can imagine an OS without any kind of user interfacing really
[09:00] <Vampire> found a new one "Debian"
[09:00] <reisio> bfs as in BeOS?
[09:00] <TehDGM> ubuntu is actually based on debian
[09:00] <Reave-Magentium> Vampire - Debian is one of the most used, most well known ones. as TehDGM states, yes it ubuntu is based off of it, even though i personalyl find Debian to be not as friendly as Ubuntu
[09:00] <shmz> hi
[09:01] <reisio> hi
[09:01] <Reave-Magentium> hello shmz :)
[09:01] <n0ti0nis> BFS from con kolivas, brain fuck scheduler
[09:01] <reisio> ah
[09:01] <Slashme> there is no buntu like ubuntu!
[09:01] <TehDGM> i agree, it isn't. Not as many things work out of the box. If you have the knowledge theres no difference though
[09:01] <n0ti0nis> the new version with skiplists
[09:01] <ex0z> when i issue the :free: command there is 3 zeros for swap
[09:01] <reisio> I want a befunge schedular, then
[09:01] <siddharth> can anybody help me. since gtalk is nt available for ubuntu so how can i send voicemail to gmail users from ubuntu??
[09:01] <shmz> When will the new version? ?
[09:02] <reisio> siddharth: it is available
[09:02] <reisio> siddharth: though there are probably other packages you can use
[09:02] <siddharth> reisio: i searched on google but didn't find
[09:02] <reisio> shmz: /join #ubuntu-release-party
[09:02] <reisio> siddharth: it's probably merely not in the main repos
[09:03] <siddharth> reisio:okk so cn u tell me how to install it
[09:03] <Reave-Magentium> siddhart, you mean Google Talk ? and you wish to send VoiceMail to other Gtalk accounts using Ubuntu, just clarifying
[09:03] <siddharth> Reave: yup
[09:03] <reisio> siddharth: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22gtalk%22%20site%3Aubuntuforums.org
[09:03] <Reave-Magentium> siddharth i would recommend installing WINE and then Gtalk
[09:04] <Reave-Magentium> or follow that link :P
[09:04] <reisio> siddharth: or you can do the dirty way and go to the gtalk homepage and download it
[09:04] <siddharth> reisio: gtalk is available fr windows platform only
[09:04] <siddharth> although fr chat empathy or pidgin is good but the prob is with voicemail only
[09:05] <fmauro> siddharth: I use voice/video gtalk through the browser, works fine.
[09:05] <keith-linux> wheres 10.10
[09:05] <keith-linux> 11.10 i mean
[09:05] <keith-linux> ubuntu 11.10 i can't find it
[09:05] <yonathan> siddharth: Google Hangout supports Linux
[09:05] <siddharth> fmauro:yup it works audio/video calls but frm browser u can't send voicemail
[09:06] <reisio> keith-linux: /join #ubuntu-release-party
[09:06] <reisio> siddharth: see what Reave-Magentium said?
[09:06] <cutiyar> why no one answer about 11.10???
[09:06] <reisio> cutiyar: isn't one answer enough?
[09:06] <reisio> 2+2= ?
[09:06] <daniel__> #ubuntu-release-party
[09:07] <siddharth> reisio:okk
[09:07] <dr_willis> cutiyar:  see #ubuntu+1
[09:07] <Reave-Magentium> ATTENTION : Anyone looking for the Ubnutu 11.10 Information, should join #ubunutu-release-party . We are ALL waiting for it, but complaining is not going get anyone any closer
[09:07] <dr_willis> it will be out when its ready and out... )
[09:07] <Reave-Magentium> dr _willis +1 to you
[09:07] <TehDGM> why is everybody so eager about it? what's so special and new about it?
[09:08] <dr_willis> i allready update/upgraded ;)
[09:08] <SunTsu> Reave-Magentium: "ubunutu"? ;)
[09:08] <Reave-Magentium> SunTsu, Typo haha
[09:08] <dr_willis> TehDGM:  works better for me then the 11.04 ;)
[09:08] <markskilbeck> than
[09:08] <TehDGM> but whats different
[09:08] <Reave-Magentium> dr_willis same, faster, more stable, works nicer, looks nicer
[09:09] <daniel__> better than natty? great
[09:09] <reisio> TehDGM: boredom :p
[09:09] <siddharth> Reave-Magentium: thanxxx act thru wine i cn do it..i just wanted to know if thr is ny application in Linux
[09:09] <markskilbeck> Still unsure of Unity...
[09:09] <Reave-Magentium> TehDGM New Unity Launcher, Faster, new Software Centre, can support Gnome3
[09:09] <purpleyuan> If we have a question regarding the upgrade, would we ask it here? or somewhere else...?
[09:09] <jdk> hello
[09:09] <Reave-Magentium> markskilbeck i suggest trying the 11.10 unity once it comes out, its Much nicer then natty
[09:09] <TehDGM> gnome 3 is interresting, unity i'm not at all interrested in. Faster, i dont know, i'd have to see
[09:09] <erle-> when will 11.10 get to the update manager?
[09:09] <daniel__> i wonder if 12.04 is going to use unity
[09:09] <dr_willis> new features are on all da blog sites. ;)
[09:09] <Reave-Magentium> purpleyuan you may ask it here but you may be directed to another channel
[09:09] <jdk> does any one using the version 11
[09:10] <dr_willis> i allready update/upgraded ;)
[09:10] <markskilbeck> Reave-Magentium: I plan to.
[09:10] <chris-> hey all
[09:10] <DevilSolution> big problem with ubuntu guys, i think someone has autheticated themselved using a keyring and using some sploit or such to reboot my pc everytime i even connect to the internet (plug in the ethernet), has anyone had anything similar before or know how to fix or find the actual issue? cheers
[09:10] <markskilbeck> yo chris-
[09:10] <dr_willis> it will be out when its ready and out.
[09:10] <rigved> TehDGM: 11.10 use lightDM, so it's faster than 11.04, which uses GDM.
[09:10] <reisio> purpleyuan: don't see why here isn't fine
[09:10] <Reave-Magentium> markskilbeck i was running the beta, and its MUCH MUCH nicer
[09:10] <chris-> i have the following problem: i have installed another ubuntu server 10.04 LTS , i had a problem connecting via putty over ssh ( always said access denied ). then i set protocol to v2 only and it worked but after a while i get a network error message and putty disconnects, then i cant connect anymore no matter what protocl version i chose i always get a access denied error after auth
[09:10] <markskilbeck> Reave-Magentium: sounds promosing
[09:10] <markskilbeck> promising&*
[09:10] <reisio> purpleyuan: there's also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OneiricUpgrades
[09:10] <Reave-Magentium> rigved and TehDGM also LightDM allows HTML, CSS and other coding to change its appearance, which was removed from GDM in Ubuntu 9.**
[09:11] <purpleyuan> Alrighty. So I've heard the whole thing about GNOME not being part of this next upgrade. If I upgrade, would I have to install the GNOME packages, etc? or will it stay on my installation since I already have it...?
[09:11] <jdk> chris !putty
[09:11] <purpleyuan> If that makes any sense. I'm a bit new to this whole thing.
[09:11] <siddharth> I didn't like the unity shell of 11.04 so will install gnome shell in 11.10
[09:11] <daniel__> brb
[09:11] <markskilbeck> purpleyuan: interesting question.
[09:11] <TehDGM> Reave-Magentium: is that actually a good thing? Sounds a bit clunky to me
[09:11] <DevilSolution> keyrings and internet reboots nayone?
[09:11] <TehDGM> overhead of parsing html and css
[09:11] <cjs> What's the command that rebuilds the grub menus?
[09:12] <markskilbeck> I don't want to upgrade to 11.10 if I'm going to lose things I already have installed.
[09:12] <reisio> markskilbeck: so don't
[09:12] <Reave-Magentium> TehDGM it is a good thing because it means that you can code up very very basic interfaces in HTML and CSS. It allows the user a little more freedom, and also uses just over half the resources that GDM uses
[09:12] <dr_willis> DevilSolution:  erase/reset your keyring
[09:12] <siddharth> purpleyuan: u hv to just install gnome-shell that is available in software center and u can use gnome shell thn
[09:12] <markskilbeck> reisio: helpful, you.
[09:12] <dr_willis> DevilSolution:  i dont see how thats the issue however
[09:12] <rigved> Reave-Magentium: yes, i heard 12.04 was going to use it
[09:12] <Reave-Magentium> markskilbeck all of your programs should stay, cannot be sure about GnomeInstalls, but im sure that you could get gnome 2.3 back if yuo really wanted it
[09:13] <markskilbeck> Reave-Magentium: true
[09:13] <DevilSolution> dr_willis: the auth logs show authentication via keyrings :/
[09:13] <DevilSolution> i just presumed
[09:13] <purpleyuan> siddharth: So I will need to do additional installations after upgrading? Just curious, why don't the gnome packages stay on my computer?
[09:13] <Reave-Magentium> rigved use LightDM? 11.10 uses the new version of it, and it is very nice :P apparently 11.10 was meant to be sort of like a Service Pack to 11.04 (going from Vista to Windows 7), and 12.04 is going to be completely re-written from scratch with a lot of things
[09:14] <DevilSolution> dr_willis: how would i diagnose whats rebooting my pc when i enter the internet?
[09:14] <TehDGM> Reave-Magentium: i guess thats interresting for the many web devs out there. As for the resources, i'd have to see :)
[09:14] <dr_willis> DevilSolution:  try a new user, reset keyring.  check dmesg logs.
[09:14] <DevilSolution> okie dokie
[09:14] <ex0z> I have an error i see when using swapon -a it appears to not be using the swap partition, i issued the mkswap commands and all and restarted it and its still not accepting..
[09:14] <iceroot> DevilSolution: also /var/log/syslog  is it a reboot? or is the pc instantly off?
[09:15] <Reave-Magentium> purpleyuan if you do an upgrade you MAY have your existing Gnome install, but if you do a fresh install i believe it wont be install
[09:15] <siddharth> purpleyuan: u just hv to install gnome shell all other gnome packages will be there Unity is a shell only that is built upon the gnome. Unity is not a complete desktop environment
[09:15] <rigved> Reave-Magentium: what i meant was that i had heard that 12.04 was going to use some of that HTML5 coding in it's interface.
[09:15] <iceroot> Reave-Magentium: gnome2 will be removed when doing the uprade (conflicting packages)
[09:15] <Reave-Magentium> TehDGM yes of course, seeing as i only saw it in the beta of 11.10 cannot make an decisions on it a of yet, will be interested to see what sort of resources work.
[09:15] <iceroot> rigved: ubuntu+2 :)
[09:16] <The_BROS> when 11.10 release will appear?
[09:16] <reisio> ex0z: I'm not entirely sure you'd see any swap usage immediately, not with 3GB of RAM
[09:16] <Reave-Magentium> iceroot thank you for the confirmation, i never really paid attention to it
[09:16] <dr_willis> it will be out when its ready and out.
[09:16]  * reisio shrugs
[09:16] <iceroot> The_BROS: #ubuntu-release-party
[09:16] <TehDGM> though i'll never understand them trying to push unity, i cant see whats so great about it. i'm sorry :P
[09:16] <siddharth> purpleyuan, gnome packages still work in Ubuntu,
[09:16] <purpleyuan> Ahhh. Okay, thanks much. I think I understand better now.
[09:16] <reisio> TehDGM: all part of the Mac OS clone plan :p
[09:16] <The_BROS> #ubuntu-release-party
[09:16] <rigved> iceroot: ya just rumours of something that hasn't even gone through the planning phase of a UDS :)
[09:17] <daniel__> http://www.thisisthecountdown.com/
[09:17] <The_BROS> ?
[09:17] <siddharth> purpleyuan, u r welcum
[09:17] <TehDGM> reisio: like i said, i cant see whats so great about it
[09:17] <purpleyuan> I had sort of assumed Unity was a completely different desktop environ. like KDE.
[09:17] <reisio> which admittedly is an odd approach for a system that seems so keen on stealing Windows users
[09:17] <iceroot> The_BROS: /join #ubuntu-release-aprty
[09:17] <reisio> TehDGM: yeah ^
[09:17] <DevilSolution> iceroot: its a system off, not instant but it doesnt reset just goes off
[09:17] <iceroot> DevilSolution: ok then maybe syslog will have some infos
[09:17] <reisio> purpleyuan: in appearance it is
[09:17] <reisio> but it actually uses GNOME
[09:17] <siddharth> purpleyuan, nope it's a shell only built on the top of gnome
[09:17] <DevilSolution> okie dokie i have to write it down becasue i use the same keyboard / mouse for both pc's
[09:17] <TehDGM> i like how you have to click over 5 times to access the basic configuration programs that are just in the system menu on gnome
[09:17] <Reave-Magentium> rigved yes i believe that HTML5 Coding was going to be the LightDM, and possibly a bit of Unity.
[09:17] <daniel__> go to go have fun all
[09:17] <DevilSolution> anything else i can check before i switch?
[09:18] <Calinou> #ubuntu-release-party
[09:18] <iceroot> DevilSolution: no the things we mentioned are ok
[09:18] <Calinou> buy a keyboard
[09:18] <ex0z> its not recognizing my swap partition is what i been trying to say
[09:18] <ex0z> i been getting an error on startup and all
[09:18] <rafaelma>  /join #ubuntu-release-party
[09:18] <dr_willis> minus the space
[09:18] <iceroot> ex0z: i guess you forgot /etc/fstab
[09:18] <ex0z> i tried to to swapoff, then use the mkswap /dev/sda5 which it is, then restart swap
[09:19] <rafaelma> :-)
[09:19] <ex0z> and its giving me an error
[09:19] <dr_willis> ex0z:  mkswap gives an error?
[09:19] <fmauro> ex0z: have you partioned sda5 as swap first?
[09:19] <ex0z> no error on mkswap
[09:19] <ex0z> yes
[09:20] <ex0z> but in fstab after the uid numbers it says "none"
[09:20] <ex0z> and with sudo swapon -a it gives an error of it cannot find it..
[09:20] <dr_willis> !swap
[09:20] <silvery> !åùçøñ
[09:20] <dr_willis> the uuid may have changed also
[09:20] <silvery> !topic
[09:21] <ex0z> i think thats what may have happend
[09:21] <dr_willis> !uuid
[09:21] <dr_willis> check uuid , edit fstab, or use /dev/sdxx type name
[09:21] <dr_willis> bbl
[09:21] <ex0z> k, brb
[09:22] <iceroot> ex0z: /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 none swap sw 0 0
[09:22] <iceroot> ex0z: replace that with your settings in /etc/fstab
[09:22] <Yesar> hi ubuntu
[09:22] <ex0z> yes the uuid's are DIFFERENT
[09:22] <Yesar> sup every1
[09:22] <Yesar> i know i am intruding here
[09:22] <ex0z> fstab and blkid are different
[09:22] <Yesar> u guys r probably busy with something else
[09:23] <xut_jc> Yesar: why do you say that?
[09:23] <ex0z> they are showing 2 different uuid's
[09:23] <Yesar> but a newbie like me using ubunut unity
[09:23] <Yesar> is really stunned with linux for the last three weeks
[09:23] <iceroot> ex0z: then use the one from blkid
[09:23] <Yesar> and want to switch my gui to
[09:23] <Yesar> gnome 3
[09:23] <fmauro> !enter | Yesar
[09:23] <Yesar> but my system is wubi based installation
[09:23] <crash1hd> argh this is sooo annoying, fresh install of ubuntu 11.04 efi mode cd and all I get is a purple screen?
[09:23] <thomas_> hi
[09:23] <lotrpy> hello, is there some tutorial for deploy openstack with ubuntu 11.10 now?
[09:24] <xut_jc> wait for and install 11.10 and then install gnome-shell native.
[09:24] <crash1hd> cant drop to shell or anything
[09:24] <Jakala> hi
[09:24] <ex0z> the blkid is the true correct uuid' i need to use??
[09:24] <legrass> hello is swap is really nessecery when I have 4GB RAM ? I guess my comp. not used swap
[09:24] <xut_jc> legrass: just have a 1GB SWAP partition for safety net.
[09:24] <wolfric> isn't 11.10 supposed to be out today?
[09:24] <Yesar> oh sorry! how can i change my gui to gnome 3 from unity knowing that I have a gnome 2 unity gui right now , will it work if i try the methods on utube?
[09:25] <fmauro> !swap | legrass
[09:25] <Reave-Magentium> Yesar You will need to wait until Ubuntu 11.10 comes out for full support for Gnome3, once that comes out you can use the command apt-get install gnome-shell to install Gnome3
[09:25]  * Ibis slap erry with a blow fish.
[09:25] <xut_jc> Yesar: i already told you how.
[09:25] <Reave-Magentium> xt_jc sorry, didnt see you already addressed the issue with Yesar :P
[09:25] <reisio> ex0z: blkid UUIDs should be accurate
[09:25] <ex0z> ok
[09:25] <Yesar> thanks guys
[09:25] <ex0z> im going to change it in fstab then..
[09:26] <xut_jc> Reave-Magentium: alright. ;-)
[09:26] <ex0z> then restart??
[09:26] <wolfric> Guys is 11.10 actually released today? i see no news about it. nothing even on ubuntu.com
[09:26] <Yesar> how much time till 11.10?
[09:26] <siddharth> 8 hr remaining fr 11.10
[09:26] <xut_jc> depends where you live in the world.
[09:26] <yonathan> join #ubuntu-release-party
[09:26] <zimb0> how can i remove evolution from the panel [x] Mail, Compose New Message, Contacts, and put thunderbird there instead
[09:27] <Reave-Magentium> wolfric yes it is, we just have to wait, they say October 13th, so they may release it at 11:59pm today (their time zone of course)
[09:27] <jatt> which file should I modified so the following module is loaded every time I reboot?
[09:27] <jatt> sudo modprobe coretemp
[09:27] <reisio> zimb0: all with right-click, I assume
[09:27] <Gun_> hi guys
[09:27] <jatt> I mean the coretemp kernel module
[09:27] <llutz_> jatt: add "coretemp" to /etc/modules
[09:27] <zimb0> resisio: no
[09:28] <wolfric> Reave-Magentium: i'm surprised. no posters no banners or "get ready for the new release"
[09:28] <zimb0> reisio: doesn't work like that
[09:28] <wolfric> Reave-Magentium: do you know if they're definitely releasing it today then?
[09:28] <ex0z> right after my uuid in fstab it says  "none
[09:28] <Gun_> perhaps somebody would help with next problem
[09:28] <ex0z> should it say that???
[09:28] <llutz_> ex0z: because swap has no mountpoint
[09:28] <ex0z> ok
[09:28] <ex0z> just making sure
[09:29] <llutz_> ex0z: UUID=yyzz none sw 0 0
[09:29] <robbit10> What timezone does Ubuntu use for the release schedule? It's october 13th here.
[09:29] <ex0z> ty
[09:29] <zimb0> i've removed evolution (because it would only detect a connection through the network-manager) and installed thunderbird, but the evolution items are still there on the panel
[09:29] <jatt> llutz_: thanks
[09:29] <reisio> UUDI=yyzz none swap sw 0 0
[09:29] <TehDGM> robbit10: it's januari 2nd here
[09:29] <xut_jc> wolfeidau: canonical are becoming more professional and commercial and less 'geeky'.
[09:29] <llutz_> ex0z: UUID=yyzz none swap sw 0 0                   sry
[09:29] <TehDGM> 2029
[09:29] <Gun_> i have a dual-boot Dell Dimension. After changeing Nvidia card to Ati card, dual-booting not show Ubuntu anymor ?
[09:29] <robbit10> TehDGM: Where do you live, then?
[09:29] <Gun_> have been trying to google but no result
[09:29] <reisio> Gun_: what is showing?
[09:30] <TehDGM> in my house
[09:30] <xut_jc> Gun_: ^^ what is on screen?
[09:30] <Yesar> i live in singapore nd it says 8hrs yaaay! thought days... very exciting, so the new ubuntu comes with gnome3 pre-installed? or I have to SUDU MY WAY IN lol :D
[09:30] <Gun_> still showing win xp, but ubuntu nore
[09:30] <TehDGM> Gun_ did you reinstall windows?
[09:30] <Gun_> just black and....
[09:30] <xut_jc> Yesar: have to install it via apt.
[09:30] <Reave-Magentium> wolfric i am not really sure, usually they have banners around, but the release date hasnt been changed, so lets just hope :P
[09:30] <xut_jc> Yesar: sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[09:31] <th_> Yesar: you can just search for 'gnome' or 'gnome-shell' with software centre and click install
[09:31] <TehDGM> Gun_ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[09:31] <Gun_> when switching on/off, then for 2-3 seconds showing that uploading is going and switches off
[09:31] <Yesar> what about  wubi will it be also avliable with the new release or same old problems with wubi? and what command should I use to chnage gui? sorry to ask much
[09:31] <ex0z> hell yea!! that worked thanks for the support fells :)
[09:31] <reisio> ex0z: swap in da haus
[09:31] <Yesar> oh ok missed ur reply
[09:31] <xut_jc> just select gnome-shell in your login screen to change gui.
[09:31] <ex0z> swapon -s is showing proper output
[09:31] <xut_jc> regarding wubi; no idea. i have no interest in it.
[09:32] <Yesar> guys can I ask something , how can i just keep ur replies and take off all there green and red lines
[09:32] <xut_jc> copy/paste then edit it.
[09:32] <Yesar> i use hydraIRC: my first time in IRC
[09:32] <xut_jc> ;-)
[09:32] <Gun_> no, i did not re-install win. just removed Nvidia drivers and installed AAti drivers, but all these actions i made under xp
[09:32] <TehDGM> xut_jc: it's for emergiencies where you desperately need linux, but dont have any empty discs or a usb stick =p
[09:32] <xut_jc> use gedit if you like.
[09:32] <TehDGM> Gun_ follow those instructions anyway. It will work.
[09:33] <xut_jc> TehDGM: WTF?!?
[09:33] <ryannathans> 11.10 yet? :D
[09:33] <TehDGM> what :D
[09:33] <Gun_> i'm listening
[09:33] <reisio> Yesar: part/join messages?
[09:33] <xut_jc> TehDGM: what the heck was that message all about to me?
[09:33] <xut_jc> no idea.
[09:33] <Yesar> yes those messages
[09:33] <TehDGM> wubi
[09:34] <xut_jc> oh right. yeah i know what it is. but don't have any interest to help others about it.
[09:34] <Yesar> TehDGM: do u have any idea about wubi being ready with the new version
[09:34] <reisio> Yesar: ask #hydrairc
[09:34] <TehDGM> actually i have no idea, i never used it :P
[09:34] <xut_jc> i just use usb stick installs these days. ;-)
[09:34] <Yesar> guys u have to give some credits to wubi without it i would have never given ubuntu a chnace on my pc ... i would have needed a professional to come and install it for me
[09:35] <xut_jc> no interest in any other method.
[09:35] <xut_jc> Yesar: good for you.
[09:35] <Yesar> thanx :)
[09:35] <Gun_> ok techdgm, i'll try this
[09:36] <Yesar> for those who want to know how much is left for 10.11 http://thisisthecountdown.com/
[09:36] <iceroot> !quietirssi | Yesar
[09:36] <andeeeuk> wubi, shame about the windows part :P
[09:36] <Reave-Magentium> xut_jc i used to love USB isntals till  lost all my USBs and cant afford to buy another one
[09:36] <iceroot> Yesar: should be working on other clients too
[09:36] <Zahrada> I still burn a disk and reboot.
[09:36] <andeeeuk> dont need windows :P
[09:37] <xut_jc> Reave-Magentium: can't afford one! they are only about 10 bucks here for 4GB.
[09:37] <purpleyuan> If you stick with Unity, would it be possible to disable the launcher?
[09:38] <Yesar> didn't work :(
[09:38] <reisio> purpleyuan: simply, you mean? :)
[09:38] <xut_jc> Zahrada: i used to use cd-r. but now one of my desktop does not have optical drive. therefore i now use usb. ;-)
[09:38] <Guest43373> Hey I have a prob i had dual boot setup well something went wrong with my ubuntu so I just deleted the linux partitions and put win 7 to fill what I deleted now its entirely my win 7 partition only problem is i get a Grub message and it says Operating system missing and anyone know how i can remove it cause it must be hiding smwhere on the win partition
[09:39] <Guest43373> I can't load into windows at all now
[09:39] <purpleyuan> reisio: I should hope so.
[09:39] <Yesar> u guys have any idea how much will the size of the gnome 3 gui on download center be? 400MBs?
[09:39] <reisio> Guest43373: you have your Windows install disc?
[09:39] <Zahrada> The only USB stick I have is actually an iPod Classic.
[09:39] <Guest43373> All I want to do is get the MBR back and reinstall ubuntu but need to get the prob resolved first
[09:39] <reisio> Guest43373: you have your Windows install disc?
[09:40] <Zahrada> I'm not familiar with the usb install, but I don't want to risk the date on it for an installation.
[09:40] <Reave-Magentium> Guest43373 Boot into a windows install disk and do a Repair it will install the Windows boot loader again. Frmo there you can choose Windows or ubuntu
[09:40] <xut_jc> Yesar: unsure of 100% size. but no where near that size.
[09:40] <reisio> Guest43373: okay you can fix Windows' bootloader from that disc
[09:40] <xut_jc> i can install kde in under ~90MB.
[09:40] <reisio> Guest43373: ##windows has the details
[09:41] <xut_jc> that's what i use. :-)
[09:41] <xut_jc> bye for now folks.
[09:42] <Yesar> irc://chat.freenode.net/awholenewworld
[09:43] <kilon> no c/c++ is not cross platform , java is cross platform, .net is too, so is python depending what library you use , c/c++ is portable
[09:43] <Yesar> is this version going to be different from the rest? cause they say a whole new world? a new gui may be?
[09:43] <kilon> oh sorry late reply lol
[09:44] <hysteriax> since when has . net been portable?
[09:44] <reisio> .NET?
[09:44] <jatt> since mono
[09:45] <jatt> since they standardized the common language infrastructure
[09:45] <hysteriax> well i don't remember being able to run a .exe straight out the box
[09:45] <bbbbbbbb> i have just saved a .txt file with windows onto my usb thumbdrive, safely removed. now in ubuntu the file isn't there. how do i get the file?
[09:45] <reisio> guys are confusing languages being cross platform with interpreters being cross platform
[09:45] <jatt> $ file ./foo.exe
[09:45] <jatt> ./foo.exe: PE32 executable for MS Windows (console) Intel 80386 32-bit Mono/.Net assembly
[09:45] <jatt> it runs fine on linux
[09:46] <reisio> or rather compilers vs interpreters
[09:46] <TehDGM> in case of .net, the exe is just a container
[09:46] <hysteriax> i agree with reisio
[09:46] <reisio> C is portable, in that you don't have to learn specific architecture assembly
[09:47] <hysteriax> anyway brb
[09:47] <reisio> GCC is portable, because a lot of devs made it so
[09:47] <reisio> Java™ is portable because a lot of devs made it so (by using C)
[09:47] <kilon> .net runs fine on my mac and linux
[09:47] <dean> Hi all I am having issues with my laptop my usb sticks and hard drives have a tendency to just stop running and disconnect is this a hardware problem likely?
[09:47] <reisio> dean: or BIOS
[09:47] <TehDGM> kilon: CLR*
[09:47] <SomeoneWeird> anyone know how i can enable file globbing?
[09:47] <jatt> indeed
[09:48] <kilon> cross platform means "code once run everywhere" portable mean "code once but with recoding could run in other platforms too"
[09:48] <dean> reisio, It seems to do it with any distro or operating systems
[09:48] <bbbbbbbb> i have just saved a .txt file with windows onto my usb thumbdrive, safely removed. now in ubuntu the file isn't there. is there any way to get the file?
[09:48] <jatt> you don't need to recode a portable script
[09:48] <reisio> dean: it does it with Windows?
[09:48] <jatt> a script is portable if it can run on any platform without recoding
[09:48] <dean> reisio, Yeah it does it on all platforms
[09:49] <kilon> TehDGM: .net is not just clr, there are some libraries included too
[09:49] <tommy2k10> I can't get my Brother printer to work with Ubuntu 64-bit?
[09:49] <dean> I'm worried its gonna corrupt my external hard drive
[09:49] <reisio> kilon: eh, not IME
[09:49] <reisio> Firefox is "cross platform"
[09:49] <reisio> it has to be compiled for each platform, however
[09:49] <reisio> dean: okay yeah that does sound kind of like a hardware failure
[09:49] <ucenik09> mirc
[09:49] <reisio> but that's beside the point
[09:50] <ucenik09> hey
[09:50] <ucenik25> hey
[09:50] <ucenik09> can u tell
[09:50] <ucenik09> us
[09:50] <ucenik25> can u be my doctor
[09:50] <ucenik09> how
[09:50] <ucenik09> to
[09:50] <reisio> even if Java code you wrote works without _any modification by you_ one any OS, it doesn't mean it wasn't ported
[09:50] <FloodBot1> ucenik09: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:50] <ucenik25> can u fix me up
[09:50] <ucenik09> install wine
[09:50] <ucenik25> can you wipe me down
[09:50] <ucenik25> how to install wine
[09:50] <reisio> it's just Sun/Oracle devs did the porting instead of you
[09:50] <FloodBot1> ucenik25: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:50] <ucenik09> can u show us how to install wine
[09:50] <ucenik25> hi
[09:50] <ucenik25> how to install
[09:50] <ucenik25> wine
[09:50] <ucenik09> WINE
[09:50] <robbit10> What timezone does Ubuntu use for the release schedule? It's october 13th here. When will it turn October 13th in the timezone Ubuntu uses?
[09:51] <kilon> my point that with c++ you got alot of things to worry about when changing platforms
[09:51] <jatt> do you want wine?
[09:51] <reisio> robbit10: http://thisisthecountdown.com/
[09:51] <bbbbbbbb> i have just saved a .txt file with windows onto my usb thumbdrive, safely removed. now in ubuntu the file isn't there. how do i get the file?
[09:51] <reisio> bbbbbbbb: either it isn't on there or you aren't looking in the right place
[09:52] <robbit10> reisio: Thanks! And what a nicely designed website.
[09:52] <reisio> could be worse :p
[09:52] <ex0z> its probably hidden..
[09:52] <reisio> starting a file with '.' in Windows is involved
[09:52] <reisio> most people don't know how
[09:52] <dean> reisio, Is it the pci which usb ports are attached to? I have tried different ports on my laptop and it does it on all usb ports. It just tends to unmount itself for no reason
[09:52] <bbbbbbbb> reisio: can it be that windows didn't save right? i remember having this issue a few times with different drives/computers
[09:52] <reisio> dean: ask #hardware
[09:53] <reisio> bbbbbbbb: that'd be my first guess, yes
[09:53] <cjs> Oh dear. Ubuntu 11.10 gives anybody who walks up to the machine a guest session. How do I turn that off, and turn off display of the machine's users at the login screen? I couldn't find the login settings in the control panel any more.
[09:53] <dean> reisio, Thanks for that
[09:53] <reisio> bbbbbbbb: these computers on the same network?
[09:53] <hans__> user settings
[09:54] <Guest32078> I like GNOME better...
[09:54] <bbbbbbbb> reisio: most of them, yeah. i only use windows here in school
[09:54] <clarck> Hi :) i want to ask a question : when i make a #netstat -an   i get an established connection : 127.0.0.1:4316    127.0.0.1:43014
[09:54] <reisio> bbbbbbbb: mmm
[09:54] <clarck> and 127.0.0.1:43014 127.0.0.1:4316
[09:54] <th_> cjs: edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and set allow-guest=false
[09:54] <clarck> what does it mean ?
[09:54] <reisio> you can fairly easily send a file from Windows to Linux on the same network with http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/latest/x86/pscp.exe
[09:54] <whizz> why is there no countdown on ubuntu.com?
[09:55] <llutz_> clarck: sudo lsof -i :4313              to see what service listens there
[09:55] <llutz_> 4316 even
[09:55] <clarck> thanks :)
[09:55] <MonkeyDust> whizz: http://thisisthecountdown.com/
[09:55] <calwig> Hi all, what is a good dns-cache app? for linux
[09:55] <reisio> whizz: when have you ever seen a countdown for a new version on a software project site
[09:55] <cjs> th_: Thanks. It does seem very strange that it would do something so insecure, and make it so difficult for naive users to fix it....
[09:55] <bbbbbbbb> reisio: the network is windows only, so i am using the thumbdrive to transfer files to my ubuntu laptop (that i can't get into the network at all)
[09:56] <calwig> MonkeyDust: whats the site for?
[09:56] <reisio> bbbbbbbb: ah, drag
[09:56] <whizz> reisio: it used to be on ubuntu.com
[09:56] <MonkeyDust> calwig: that's the countdown to the oneiric release
[09:56] <reisio> cjs: it shouldn't be that insecure
[09:56] <reisio> cjs: but it could be annoying if you come back and have to close a guest session
[09:56] <reisio> whizz: when?
[09:56] <th_> cjs: i bet 12.04 will fill a lot of gaps from 11.10. in many ways 11.10 just introduced so much new stuff at _once_, lightdm, gnome3, etc.. a lot of conf tools are missing :/
[09:57] <th_> cjs: you can't even change fonts for example
[09:57] <cjs> reisio: Allowing shell access to a host opens a huge exploit surface that doesn't exist otherwise.
[09:57] <cjs> E.g., other users now have to be very, very careful not to make a mistake with their file permissions, for just a start.
[09:57] <reisio> cjs: mmm, but if they already have physical access, that's sort of irrelevant
[09:57] <llutz_> active guest accounts are always a security-flaw
[09:57] <SomeoneWeird>  
[09:57] <whizz> reisio: few versions ago, not sure which
[09:57] <michael> Cube_Code
[09:58] <reisio> whizz: k
[09:59] <cjs> reisio: Actually, it is quite relevant if the system has an encrypted disk. They'd have to somehow leverage their physical access without shutting down the machine.
[09:59] <th_> it's very relevant
[09:59] <Err404NotFound> I am trying  diff -urN oldcode latest  |  grep -E '^(\+\+\+|---)' and it shows me files that when compare in meld are identical.
[10:00] <cjs> is there an option not to display user names on the login screen? That came back with 11.04; has it vanished again with 11.10?
[10:00] <seneca> hi guys
[10:00] <th_> just because you'd be physically able to steal the machine doesn't mean security won't matter anymore
[10:01] <th_> cjs: probably best bet is to change login manager to gdm or kdm (11.10 has lightdm by default)
[10:01] <th_> although considering how gnome3 removed 99% of all configuration options again, i doubt gdm has much options left
[10:01] <cjs> th_: Yes, I think that sounds like a good idea.
[10:01] <cjs> th_: Oops, they did? Argh.
[10:02] <cjs> Well, I'll give it a try. How do I change it again?
[10:02] <th_> sudo apt-get install gdm (might be named gdm-3 or something now?) or kdm
[10:02] <th_> you can change it with sudo dpkg-reconfigre gdm (any *dm will give you selection menu)
[10:02] <Reave-Magentium> cjs or you can intsall Gnome3 and the LightDM Login Manager which is nicer and has more options
[10:03] <reisio> seneca: hi
[10:03] <th_> Reave-Magentium: lightdm is the default dude, and lack of options with it is the problem here
[10:03] <cjs> Reave-Magentium: Hm? Aren't I already running those with 11.10?
[10:03] <seneca> i am have proolem in killing a process, i started mongrel server, now to stop mongrel server i tries 'ctl +c', it did not worked so closed the terminal to kill. Now when i restart terminal and started server, server says address already in use
[10:03] <reisio> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22lightdm%22%20%22disable%20guest%22%20site%3Aubuntuforums.org
[10:04] <xanni> http://thisisthecountdown.com/ is off by six hours.
[10:04] <reisio> /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf, [GuestAccount] enabled=false
[10:04] <cjs> The hidden users option in /etc/lightdm/users.cfg or whatever it is doesn't hide my user account when listed there. :-(
[10:04] <Reave-Magentium> th_ and cjs, sorry lol didnt read it all. Been afk for a while, just saw your last post :P Yeah, LIghtDM hasnt that many options at the moment unfortunately, heres hoping they can bring out some themes for it
[10:04] <reisio> xanni: off what?
[10:04] <grifo74> hello how ubuntu 11.10 out?
[10:04] <seneca> reisio: can you help
[10:04] <hvr> xanni: how do you know?
[10:04] <xanni> off the actual release time.
[10:04] <reisio> seneca: with what?
[10:04] <cjs> Reave-Magentium: I'm looking for something quite the opposite, actually. I care nothing for themes; I just want it to show less stuff!
[10:05] <reisio> xanni: oh you're a fortune teller
[10:05] <xanni> Because the release time is midnight on Howland Island.
[10:05] <reisio> grifo74: it'll be several more hours
[10:05] <systemclient> Can I use a SD card to boost my netbook?
[10:05] <Err404NotFound> how are these 2 files different: http://pastebin.com/HmKWbi8K , i and meld can't find anything but diff says they are.
[10:05] <grifo74> thank i witing
[10:05] <grifo74> lol
[10:05] <xukun> !ubuntu 11.10
[10:05] <xanni> From #ubuntu-release-party:  11.10 will be released by 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands on Thursday
[10:05] <seneca> reisio:	i am have proolem in killing a process, i started mongrel server, now to stop mongrel server i tries 'ctl +c', it did not worked so closed the terminal to kill. Now when i restart terminal and started server, server says address already in use
[10:06] <Guest46871> I'm still on 10.10 because I prefer GNOME
[10:06] <jatt> same here
[10:06] <systemclient> Guest46871: 11.04 has a regular gnome too
[10:06] <jatt> not by default
[10:06] <zaapiel> 11.10 is the tits
[10:06] <grifo74> i try gone 3 and unity and i prefere unity
[10:06] <reisio> seemawn: is there anything about mongrel in /etc/init.d/ ?
[10:06] <zaapiel> with regular gnome
[10:06] <fouz> well you can remove that look at go back to gnome in 11.10
[10:06] <zaapiel> unity is a joke
[10:06] <zaapiel> its terrible
[10:06] <jatt> agree
[10:06] <Patriot7912> I am having the following problem "get_schannel_session_key: could not fetch trust account password for domain"
[10:07] <systemclient> zaapiel: just like all the other half baked stuff
[10:07] <fouz> wanting to look like mac
[10:07] <xukun> when is the release time for 11.10?
[10:07] <Guest46871> does anyone like Unity?
[10:07] <zaapiel> shuttleworth
[10:07] <zaapiel> i.e. the man who matters
[10:07] <grifo74> i like unity
[10:07] <systemclient> jatt: but you can select it though. That should do
[10:07] <grifo74> after i try gone 3 i prefere unity
[10:07] <TehDGM> zaapiel: +1
[10:08] <Reave-Magentium> I like Gnome3 only because of the way it works compared to the search in 11.04, but then 11.10 unity is so much nicer
[10:08] <seneca> reisio: yes
[10:08] <zaapiel> unity rages me with it adding app menus to the top
[10:08] <TehDGM> i havent seen the 11.10 unity, but i honestly dont expect too much
[10:08] <g00se__> I see there's usb-creator.exe on the distro disks. Is that to create usb installer images?
[10:08] <reisio> unity isn't the issue; people are never going to like changes they can't easily opt out of
[10:08] <cjs> I wonder how much work it's going to be to get my fvwm config working with Gnome 3.
[10:08] <reisio> seneca: /etc/init.d/mongrel stop ?
[10:08] <zaapiel> probably not possible cjs
[10:08] <reisio> seneca: or pgrep -l mongrel, and kill the id's
[10:08] <TehDGM> reisio: it is, if i have to spend over 5 clicks for something that took 2 in regular gnome.. it's bad
[10:08] <zaapiel> gnome 3 depends on their own window manager
[10:09] <llutz_> seneca: pkill mongrel
[10:09] <zaapiel> its one reason unity was started
[10:09] <reisio> TehDGM: no, because the problem was that you couldn't use regular gnome
[10:09] <jatt> nope you can use window maker with gnome if you wish
[10:09] <jatt> at least with gnome < 3
[10:09] <Reave-Magentium> i hated unity when it came out, but once i got into it i liked it
[10:09] <cjs> zaapiel: Why not? What did they break so badly from Gnome 2.6?
[10:09] <TehDGM> reisio: huh? I'm talking about why i think unity is bad
[10:09] <zaapiel> well they have their own wm
[10:09] <userTesla> hello everyone!
[10:09] <zaapiel> it depends on mutter
[10:09] <reisio> TehDGM: huh?
[10:09] <robbit10> about Unity, I saw on a YouTube comment that it wouldn't let you empty your Recent Files... is that still so?
[10:09] <reisio> userTesla: hi
[10:09] <Reave-Magentium> hello userTesla
[10:09] <TehDGM> lol nevermind
[10:09] <zaapiel> i dont think its possible to run gnome 3 without mutter
[10:09] <cjs> zaapiel: Gnome 2 had metacity, too....
[10:09] <cjs> Hmm.
[10:09] <zaapiel> yeah but it was optional
[10:09] <cjs> That sounds bad.
[10:10] <sosperec> hello
[10:10] <reisio> hi
[10:10] <zaapiel> they laid out why they were doing it basically
[10:10] <jatt> gnome 2 also supported sawfish which was nice
[10:10] <cjs> So, what's Unity, then? Unity has its own session manager?
[10:10] <zaapiel> they could do the stuff they wanted to without forcing a window manager on you
[10:10] <zaapiel> unity can use compiz and other window managers
[10:10] <zaapiel> but the design rages me
[10:10] <TehDGM> i agree
[10:11] <grifo74> it´s possible use two wireless cars on ubuntu
[10:11] <TehDGM> it might be nice for a tablet, but not for regular desktop use that goes further then browsing and text editing
[10:11] <jatt> absolutely
[10:11] <zaapiel>  gnome 3 is pretty slick though
[10:11] <zaapiel> im digging it so far
[10:11] <zaapiel> it has an unfinished feel to it though
[10:11] <TehDGM> i havent seen it yet, havent had the time to check
[10:11] <zaapiel> kind of when kde first hit 4.X
[10:11] <Myrtti> can we keep the philosophical discussion elsewhere and keep this channel for support issues, thanks
[10:11] <Guest46871> Is there a way to choose your GUI?
[10:11] <hexacode> what is the '..' directory and what is the '.' directory?
[10:12] <zaapiel> i have a choice at the login screen
[10:12] <llutz_> hexacode: "." present dir, ".." dir above 1 step
[10:12] <Reave-Magentium> grifo74 ive used 2 wireless adapters in ubuntu before, worked but wasnt brilliant
[10:12] <SunTsu> hexacode: hardlinks on "." the local directory, ".." the parent directory
[10:12] <hexacode> thanks
[10:12] <zaapiel> try kubuntu if you dont want to experience growing pains
[10:12] <Reave-Magentium> !unity
[10:13] <seneca> reisio, llutz:  pgrep -l mongrel ,  /etc/init.d/mongrel stop, pkill mongrel has not worked
[10:13] <grifo74> yes i have the same problem sametimes i need to desactivated one
[10:13] <zaapiel> kde 4 is pretty mature now
[10:13] <jatt> why do they call it a shell? bash is shell, zsh is a shell
[10:13] <cjs> Argh. gdmsetup is gone.
[10:13] <seneca> llutz: pgrep -l mongrel , /etc/init.d/mongrel stop, pkill mongrel has not worked
[10:13] <Guest46871> Is Kubuntu KDE?
[10:13] <cjs> Do I have to go back to xdm?
[10:13] <Reave-Magentium> Has anyone had problems with Compiz crashing with enabling certain effects?
[10:13] <seneca> reisio
[10:13] <zaapiel> Guest46871, yes
[10:13] <seneca> : pgrep -l mongrel , /etc/init.d/mongrel stop, pkill mongrel has not worked
[10:13] <Guest46871> or was that sarcasm
[10:13] <zaapiel> but you dont have to reinstall
[10:13] <llutz_> seneca: might need sudo if you started that stuff with sudo too
[10:13] <zaapiel> sudo apt-get install kubuntu
[10:14] <SunTsu> Guest46871: kubuntu is a project to bring kde to ubuntu
[10:14] <TehDGM> Reave-Magentium: only with 3rd party plugins i've ever had that. If you do it with the regular ones i'd say its a driver issue or unsupported hardware
[10:14] <cjs> So I don't quite get it. What is a "shell" for gnome? Does unity still use the gnome session manager?
[10:14] <Guest17967> so where's the fun?! I expected drinks and girls around :D
[10:14] <zaapiel> the most girls on freenode is in #reddit
[10:15] <cjs> It looks like it does.
[10:15] <seneca> llutz: with sudo did not work
[10:15] <meisiman> Hi all, i use a Wacom DTU-1931 monitor with a pen and using Ubuntu (lucid). The wacom is my primary monitor, the notebook monitor is the second. If I use the pen, the mouse courso is shiftet to the left. how can I fix it ?
[10:15] <llutz_> seneca: "pgrep mongrel"   any output?
[10:16] <SunTsu> Guest46871: this is IRC. This is where men are men, girls are men and little girls are fbi agents
[10:16] <Reave-Magentium> TehDGM im using the Propietory Drivers (From Additional Drivers section) on an ATI 4530 Mobility Radeon, mind due only happens on 11.10 Beta
[10:16] <seneca> llutz: no
[10:16] <Guest46871> lawl
[10:16] <llutz_> seneca: so its not running at all or not using this as a part of the processname.
[10:17] <llutz_> seneca: what port do you think is blocked? sudo lsof -i :<portnumber>    should tell you what listens there
[10:17] <cjs> zaapiel: Looking at /usr/share/gnome-sesion/sessions, it looks to me as if unity-2d and unity replace the window manager just as I do with fvwm.
[10:18] <zaapiel> right but you dont have gnome 3 installed
[10:18] <zaapiel> do you?
[10:18] <cjs> I don't? Oh!
[10:18] <zaapiel> what version of ubuntu you on?
[10:18] <seneca> llutz: no process running with mongrel, http://pastie.org/2688060
[10:18] <munikar> is it out yet? :)
[10:18] <zaapiel> im on 11.10 beta and i had to add gnome 3
[10:18] <zaapiel> it isnt included by default
[10:19] <zaapiel> its in packages though
[10:19] <cjs> zaapiel: I'm on Ubuntu 11.10. gnome-session says its version is 3.2.0.
[10:19] <zaapiel> ok
[10:19] <netlemur> 1
[10:19] <llutz_> seneca: i guess it's ruby
[10:19] <cjs> (I don't know off-hand how to get the gnome version now.)
[10:19] <Reave-Magentium> i believe that Ubuntu 11.10 comes with Gnome 2.3 Installed, and you can upgrade that to Gnome3, correct me if im wrong
[10:19] <seneca> llutz: port no is 3000
[10:19] <pocoyo> ,time
[10:19] <zaapiel> they have a package called gnome3 i believe for vanilla gnome
[10:19] <zaapiel> thats what i installed
[10:20] <zaapiel> it has the new gnome UI
[10:20] <seneca> llutz_:
[10:20] <seneca> i tried killall ruby
[10:20] <zaapiel> gnome-shell
[10:20] <TehDGM> i'm looking at gnome3 screenshots, what happened to the system menu?
[10:20] <TehDGM> where is it
[10:20] <seneca> llutz_: i  tried killall ruby
[10:21] <jatt> they removed it
[10:21] <jatt> now you have to use a new paradigm
[10:21] <llutz_> seneca: "pkill ruby"
[10:21] <seneca> llutz_: killall  ruby did not work
[10:21] <TehDGM> meaning?
[10:21] <llutz_> seneca: "pkill -9 ruby"   ugly but ...
[10:23] <cjs> The "gnome-session" package claims to be Gnome 3 in the description.
[10:23] <suyanxi> 这么多人？
[10:23] <seneca> llutz: ya got it working. what -9 implies
[10:23] <cjs> And my gnome-session on my Ubuntu 11.04 system is version 2.32.1. I think that Ubuntu 11.10 comes with Gnome 3 by default.
[10:24] <g00se__> I see there's usb-creator.exe on the distro disks. Is that to create usb installer images?
[10:24] <emery> If i get the daily build of 11.10 will i be ok to update from there once it's released?
[10:24] <llutz_> seneca: sends SIGKILL to the process to close it imidiately
[10:24] <seneca> llutz_: ya got it working. what -9 implies
[10:24] <somsip> !zh | suyanxi
[10:25] <seneca> llutz_: pkill ruby hasnot worked? can you explain
[10:25] <Guest46871> I love using Google translate ...
[10:25] <cjs> Wow! The new Gnome environment is quite interestingly amazingly slow on my old ThinkPad T42.
[10:25] <TehDGM> square square square square /join. xD
[10:25] <suyanxi> hello
[10:26] <Guest46871> Who plays Minecraft?
[10:27] <WaRMaiN> Hi, i have a problem with 2 Wifi cards in the same PC, I try to connect 1 card to an AP and the other card to ADhoc Network.... but the pcs connected to the Adhoc dont have network ...
[10:27] <WaRMaiN> can u help me ?
[10:27] <Reave-Magentium> Guest46871 i host a minecraft server, why
[10:27] <Reave-Magentium> WaRMaiN you need to share the connection of your Internet Wifi connection
[10:28] <TehDGM> i've used to until i found out that every single update has made it worse, more unstable and crappier. and never has all the features promised
[10:28] <Guest46871> No good reason
[10:28] <WaRMaiN> how can i do that ? i tried to use static ip but nothing works, how can i share the connection ?
[10:28] <WaRMaiN> like eth to wifi adhoc ?
[10:29] <emery> What extra is on the DVD version that isnt on the CD ?
[10:29] <Reave-Magentium> WarMaiN if you go to your Network Manager, and edit your Wifi connection (the AdHoc one) and under the IPv4 settings set it to Shared With Other Computers
[10:29] <Reave-Magentium> Try that WarMaiN and see if it works
[10:29] <WaRMaiN> ok, trying ;)
[10:30] <airtonix> !ot | TehDGM
[10:30] <TehDGM> lol why just me! i didnt start it xD
[10:30] <TehDGM> jeez
[10:30] <Reave-Magentium> emery there isnt much info about what is changed, but the DVD Version has more packages built in.
[10:30] <emery> Reave-Magentium: Well i figured that
[10:31] <Reave-Magentium> emery unfortunately there isnt much more information on that, the DVD usually has the Free Media Codecs installed with it and a number more programs, I find that a standard CD is better as you can choose what to install. Sorry if this hasnt helped you
[10:31] <cjs> Gargh, damnit. Looks like Gnome took out the ability to turn off user names on login again.
[10:32] <yonathan> jatoo: what do u mean
[10:32] <emery> Reave-Magentium: I've already pretty much downloaded the daily build DVD
[10:32] <yonathan> not jatoo
[10:32] <yonathan> cjs: what do u mean
[10:32] <Reave-Magentium> emery that wont affect your install at all, will just install the latest packages :)
[10:32] <cjs> yonathan: The login screen gives away the names of users who can log into the system. I prefer not to do that.
[10:32] <anandvenkat4> How to equate the output of a command to a variable in scrip
[10:32] <emery> Reave-Magentium: i know ;)
[10:33] <cjs> yonathan: I just want a box where you type in your login name, and then type in your password. No pointing.
[10:33] <emery> Reave-Magentium:  Must dash, dinner awaits. thanks.
[10:33] <WaRMaiN> Reave-Magentium: it Works! , Thanks a lot!!! ;)
[10:33] <cjs> Well, at least we still have gnome-panel and all that, so my fvwm config should work fine.
[10:33] <Reave-Magentium> WaRMaiN your welcome :) I wasnt sure that would work as im just reading this out of my Documentation haha. Glad it worked for you :)
[10:34] <Reave-Magentium> emery Your welcoem :)
[10:34] <leo9> can someone answer a quick question for me please?
[10:34] <Reave-Magentium> leo9 course, ask away :)
[10:34] <WaRMaiN> Reave-Magentium: U are a Crack ;)
[10:34] <leo9> I would like to roll firefox 7 back to an earlier version but it keeps automatically upgrading to 7
[10:34] <Reave-Magentium> WaRMaiN A Crack ??
[10:34] <syrinx_priest> Hi all.  ubuntu.com still showing 11.04.  If I grab the 11.10 daily build, think I'm getting the finished 11.10 product?
[10:35] <WaRMaiN> yeah, in Spanish ... its like Superman!! hahahaha
[10:35] <Reave-Magentium> leo9 so let me confirm you wish to return to Firefox 6 on ubuntu, and stop it from automatically updating?
[10:35] <leo9> yes lol it has been very frustrating
[10:35] <ac_> syrinx_priest, no ;-(
[10:35] <syrinx_priest> ac_: ah, ok
[10:36] <syrinx_priest> I shall try to exercise patience ;D
[10:36] <ac_> syrinx_priest, wait like everybody....
[10:36] <Reave-Magentium> leo9 unfortunately due to a lot of security issues with firefox, i do nto believe that is possible. the only thing that i can recommend if you are runing 11.04 is a re-install, and when you update your packages, de-select the firefox  packages
[10:36] <syrinx_priest> it's just that I hate exercise  ;)
[10:36] <syrinx_priest> will do
[10:37] <leo9> no I have the previous version  11 won't run on this computer
[10:37] <trevor> leo9, google apt pinning
[10:37] <fouz> LOL
[10:37] <trevor> that's what you want
[10:38] <leo9> apt pinning ?  ok
[10:39] <Reave-Magentium> trevor is apt pinning the act of pinning an application so that it does not upgrade?
[10:40] <trevor> in a nutshell yes. if you're on an older version and still have synaptic installed there's a GUI in there
[10:41] <Operaist2> what is the cli command to check the default font settings?
[10:42] <leo9> yes I see its in the synaptic hmmm interesting
[10:43] <greenmang0> is there anyway i can change md5sum of file without changing file's contents?
[10:45] <MeanEYE> Silence before the storm :) <3
[10:45] <spike_> :-)
[10:45] <wooter> greenmang0, salt
[10:46] <Reave-Magentium> ITS RELEASED! http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/
[10:46] <Reave-Magentium> Not announced, but the ISO files are dated as of today, thanks to Neil on #ubuntu-release-party
[10:46] <Daereth> :O
[10:46] <leo9> ok thanks I will have to try this out  and see if I can get it to work since I am relatively new to this
[10:46] <Reave-Magentium> Daerethhhh
[10:47] <TehDGM> it's names get weirder every release
[10:47] <MeanEYE> It's not official. Wait for official one.
[10:47] <Daereth> hey bro
[10:47] <TehDGM> jeez xD
[10:47] <jatt> no announcement -> no official release
[10:47] <Reave-Magentium> jatt well the ISO files are up, but if you want to upgrade you gotta wait
[10:47] <munikar> why has http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/ removed "Beta 2" from its page
[10:48] <wooter> Reave-Magentium, its dated the 12th, not 13th the release date
[10:48] <Anonxpct> Hs nyone else gt good mileage on a optimus enabled laptop?
[10:48] <jatt> they could change the ISO files later today, without announcement there is no guarantee these files are the final ones
[10:49] <Anonxpct> Usng bumblebee/ironhide
[10:49] <greenmang0> wooter, what do you mean?
[10:49] <Daereth> I cant waittt
[10:49] <Daereth> :(
[10:49] <wooter> greenmang0, google md5 salt
[10:49] <Reave-Magentium> I dont want to upgrade, i want a fresh install :P
[10:52] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[10:52] <Snow_> halp
[10:52] <dr_willis> you could have ysed the rc ir beta then updated. :-)
[10:52] <Snow_> how do i change servers again?
[10:52] <dr_willis> Snow_:  what server
[10:53] <Snow_> dr_willis: rizon
[10:54] <dr_willis> you mean irc server then...
[10:54] <vilcobra> munikar, I agree with you, I'm downloading via torrent...
[10:54] <camil_> dennis ritchie just died...
[10:54] <MonkeyDust> camil_: just read it
[10:54] <dr_willis>    /server or /connect command nirmally snow
[10:55] <camil_> :)
[10:55] <munikar> vilcobra: what do you mean downloading? it isn't out yet
[10:55] <Operaist2> how do you check the default font setting of ubuntu?
[10:55] <Anonxpct> Dennis ritchie:rest in peace
[10:55] <camil_> RIP Dennis
[10:56] <flummy> dennis > jobs
[10:56] <camil_> (from wiki) was an American computer scientist notable for developing C and for having influence on other programming languages, as well as operating systems such as Multics and Unix
[10:56] <flummy> ritchie > jobs
[10:56] <vilcobra> yep
[10:56] <jrib> please stay on-topic guys
[10:56] <flummy> lo
[10:56] <flummy> l
[10:58] <vilcobra> munikar, imho, it is no more written "daily build"....
[10:58] <vilcobra> why, if it is not last one ?
[11:00] <wooter> same convo goes down every 6 months
[11:00] <dr_willis> yes it does
[11:01] <MeanEYE> Are you guys preparing for flood of people asking "How do I do this", "Why can't I install it", "Why Unity is ... "
[11:01] <MeanEYE> :D
[11:01] <andeeeuk> Hey everyone
[11:01] <dr_willis> torrents will be so fast by tomirrow i dont even try to get it today
[11:01] <andeeeuk> is 11.10 out yet :p
[11:02] <wooter> only in australia andeeeuk
[11:02] <MeanEYE> andeeeuk: #ubuntu-release-party
[11:02] <andeeeuk> Does anyone know a good application to check how much ink is left in your printer
[11:02] <andeeeuk> yeah, thats ok thanks
[11:02] <andeeeuk> i will wait a while
[11:03] <tamir> i m waiting 11.10 final
[11:04] <sgs2_usr> yeah, same here :D
[11:04] <dr_willis> cups drivers tools normally do that andeeeuk
[11:04] <andeeeuk> same here
[11:04] <sgs2_usr> it's still says Development release
[11:04] <sgs2_usr> but the code freeze date is set todat
[11:04] <sgs2_usr> *today
[11:04] <tamir> :d
[11:04] <andeeeuk> cups driver tools, is that an application?
[11:04] <dr_willis> !schedule
[11:04] <andeeeuk> i know they are drivers
[11:05] <MonkeyDust> andeeeuk: cups = common unix printer service
[11:05] <dr_willis> andeeeuk:  check cups web interface
[11:05] <pierre__> allo
[11:05] <pierre__> somebody ?
[11:05] <dr_willis> pierre__:  huh?
[11:05] <yonathan> got banned from #ubuntu-release-party, will continue trolling here
[11:05] <andeeeuk> can i find the web service through the package manager?
[11:05] <wis3v0yag3r> pierre_, al00..
[11:05] <dr_willis> !cups
[11:06] <jrib> what the...
[11:06] <pierre__> i search help to create access point with ubuntu lucid 10.04.3 LTS
[11:06] <dr_willis> doh
[11:06] <jrib> I see some edits are in order :P
[11:06] <wooter> close call jrib
[11:06] <pierre__> is it possible ?
[11:07] <pierre__> i have 2 wifi on my computer
[11:07] <andeeeuk> I have the printer working, i just need to change some of my inks as they are empty
[11:07] <yonathan> how was I supposed to know "homo" is a banned word
[11:07] <jrib> yonathan: stop now.  no further warningns.
[11:07] <pierre__> no help ?
[11:07] <pierre__> here
[11:07] <yonathan> Man you guys are so uptight
[11:08] <yonathan> If you were software, you'd be closed source
[11:08] <jrib> yonathan: this channel is for ubuntu support only.  If you have a question about an issue with your ubuntu install, ask.  If you want to help others, help.  Otherwise, stop.
[11:09] <Operaist2> i want to check my default font setting for serif, how would i do that?
[11:09] <qin> !md5
[11:09] <red> http://askubuntu.com/questions/65649/application-indicators-not-working-on-primary-monitor
[11:10] <qin> !hashes
[11:11] <stephni> pls i need to talk to someone in private
[11:11] <jrib> stephni: best to just ask the channel your actual question (on a single line)
[11:11] <love> Ooo "APT has super cow powers"
[11:11] <Stradivarius> Ola! When when when will 11.10 be released? Can't wait anymore :-P
[11:11] <stephni> jrib can i pm you please
[11:12] <jrib> stephni: if it's about something other than ubuntu support, sure
[11:12] <love> 'apt-get moo'
[11:12] <stephni> ok
[11:12] <sriramoman> http://thisisthecountdown.com/
[11:12] <anon^_^> Stradivarius, there's a critical bug blocking Ubuntu Desktop i386
[11:13] <Stradivarius> no way, anon^_^
[11:13] <Stradivarius> and thanks a lot, sriramoman
[11:14] <sriramoman> Stradivarius: you are welcome :)
[11:14] <szal> people who ask the 'when' question should be forcibly joined to #ubuntu-release-party ;)
[11:14] <TehDGM> when?
[11:14] <mydogsnameisrudy> what?
[11:15] <TehDGM> where?
[11:15] <mydogsnameisrudy> why?
[11:15] <Stradivarius> for which purpose?
[11:15] <mydogsnameisrudy> who?
[11:15] <huseyinkozan> hı ?
[11:16] <nicoco> nick nicocool84
[11:18] <pierre__> allo
[11:18] <TehDGM> oi
[11:18] <nicocool84> hi ! i'm trying to install lubuntu 11.04 on a an old compaq presario 700, but ubiquity always crashes, and I can't seem to find what is causing this crash. it happens sometimes before the partman part, sometimes at language choosing, sometimes before grubinstall...
[11:18] <pierre__> y quelqu'un ?
[11:18] <rypervenche> ouaip
[11:18] <pierre__> salut
[11:18] <nicocool84> moi aussi je suis là mais je crois qu'on parle anglais ici non ?
[11:18] <rypervenche> hi hi
[11:19] <TehDGM> yea english please
[11:19] <pierre__> c'est le bon endroit pour avoir de l'aide ubuntu ici ?
[11:19] <rypervenche> !fr | pierre__
[11:21] <nicocool84> does anyone has an idea if I have to disable some modules or something ? I'm doing memtest right now to see if the problem isn't ram-related
[11:21] <stephni> where can i find task manager?
[11:22] <gentooxer> stephni: you can use tools lile ps, top or htop
[11:23] <flummy_> nicocool84: running memtest for several hours is not the quickest option to find that out, try an older ubuntu on usb stick first
[11:24] <nicocool84> flummy_ : thanks, but I already tried lubuntu 11.10beta2 from liveCD, as it was crashing, I managed to install grub via console to be able to boot lubuntu 11.04 via USB (no bios usb boot support)
[11:25] <nicocool84> flummy_ : and I still have random crashes during install :( . what's even sadder is that live session seems to work great
[11:25] <negueba> is it out?
[11:26] <andyn> that's what she asked
[11:27] <cdavis> What time zone does Oneric get released?
[11:27] <cdavis> andyn: lol!
[11:27] <flummy_> nicocool84: try an (still) OLDER ubuntu
[11:28] <flummy_> nicocool84: oh sorry you tried 11.04, did you try it in gnome-classic mode?
[11:29] <moljac024> when will 11.10 be up for download?
[11:29] <moljac024> today is the release day, right?
[11:29] <nicocool84> flummy_ : as the pc is quite old i'm trying to install Lubuntu, so no gnome-classic. I'm trying netinst
[11:29] <sgs2_usr> i wonder 11.10 completely taken down gnome-classic?
[11:29] <patsee14> I've stayed up all night refreshing the ubuntu website... no oneiric yet
[11:29] <sgs2_usr> patsee14: issue update-manager -d :D
[11:30] <vilcobra> rafaelma, md5sum -c oneiric.md5sums
[11:30] <patsee14> sgs2_usr, yes... it's shipping unity 3d and 2d
[11:30] <vilcobra> ubuntu-11.10-desktop-amd64.iso: OK
[11:30] <sgs2_usr> patsee14: nice! :D
[11:31] <patsee14> sgs2_usr... but I need an iso to do a new install
[11:31] <patsee14> I guess I could just use a daily build as well
[11:31] <sgs2_usr> patsee14: oh, okay. Can I know that if i perform an upgrade , will i loose all my desktop customization on my gnome-classic?
[11:36] <lonix> God dammit, i wanna download new bits
[11:36] <lonix> :P
[11:38] <cdavis> If I can see 11.10 on my mirror, why won't an update get suggested via update-manager?
[11:38] <negueba> ubuntu 11.10 is already online on cdimage.ubuntu
[11:38] <bucaneiro> how can I help ubuntu?
[11:38] <ward_> this acer piece of crap desktop won't boot any linux distro :s
[11:38] <ward_> what can be its problem?
[11:38] <ward_> i tried 2 ubuntu CD's and 2 unetbootin created disks
[11:38] <ward_> diffrent distro's too
[11:38] <ward_> and i verified, they all booted on another machine
[11:38] <bucaneiro> I could translate ubuntu to arabic...
[11:39] <tenX> bucaneiro: yeah
[11:39] <Johnny_Giggles> I have a 1 terabyte hard disk with Windows 7 and Ubuntu Linux 10.04 on it.  I want to remove Linux.  Is the right thing for me to do, to boot into gparted and remove the boot partition, the linux partition and the swap partition?  Do I need to do anything about boot loaders?
[11:39] <cdavis> ward_: you mean the computer won't boot from CD or after install it won't boot from HD?
[11:39] <Abhijit_> bucaneiro, http://www.ubuntu.com/community
[11:39] <ward_> error is: "(initramfs) Unable to find a medium containing a live filesystem"
[11:39] <bucaneiro> ok
[11:39] <tenX> bucaneiro: hasnt it been yet?
[11:39] <bucaneiro> I understand
[11:40] <ward_> cdavis, CD/USB
[11:40] <Singham> Johnny_Giggles : How did you install ubuntu? Using wubi or full install ?
[11:40] <Johnny_Giggles> Singham: full install from cd
[11:41] <lonix> Only Ubuntu Desktop is released, not server it seems
[11:42] <Singham> Johnny_Giggles : Then use gparted..delete both ext4 and swap :)
[11:42] <Johnny_Giggles> Singham: do I need to restore mbr or anything like that?
[11:42] <lonix> it looks like they are  updateing archives now
[11:42] <cdavis> ward_: perhaps you don't have the bios set to boot from CD? I suspect if it is an old computer it won't boot from USB
[11:43] <cdavis> lonix: yay
[11:43] <lonix> 11.10 will be fully relased within 45min (according to my source)
[11:44] <lonix> brb
[11:44] <sgs2_usr> lonix: wicked!
[11:45] <xuser1> hi
[11:46] <xuser1> today is ubu 11.10 relase date? where is it?
[11:46] <xuser1> :P
[11:46] <Sidewinder1> Not for another 6hrs. 13min,
[11:47] <TehDGM> http://thisisthecountdown.com/
[11:48] <determinology> Wow
[11:48] <xuser1> o
[11:48] <xuser1> =-O
[11:48] <CantWinn> Hello peeps
[11:48] <xuser1> six hours
[11:49] <Singham> Johnny_Giggles : You have to repair mbr
[11:49] <Singham> Johnny_Giggles : Follow these instructions http://www.ehow.com/how_4836283_repair-mbr-windows.html
[11:50] <love> http://thisisthecountdown.com/ says just over 6 hours for me
[11:50] <lordjj_> "Ubuntu 11.10 changes: ...removal of the Synaptic package manager." What!? What's the replacement?
[11:50] <auronandace> lordjj_: they expect you to use the software centre
[11:51] <Anonxpct> Too bad...i really lykd synaptic
[11:51] <alexove> ubuntu software center i thing
[11:51] <lordjj_> yeah, me too
[11:51] <auronandace> lordjj_: you can still install synaptic from the repo though
[11:51] <lordjj_> Oh ok.
[11:51] <Anonxpct> WHAT?!?!did they just noobify ubuntu?
[11:51] <lordjj_> Btw, what's the talk around kernel 3.0? Any bad issues?
[11:51] <love> Only problem is that is that I have lost the last of my reliable USB sticks and left my spindle of blank CDs at a friends house
[11:52] <TehDGM> auronandace: you got to be kidding me... i assume apt-get and aptitude still work though?
[11:52] <auronandace> TehDGM: of course
[11:52] <Anonxpct> Why nt try vbox <love>
[11:52] <TehDGM> then theres no problem :)
[11:53] <auronandace> lordjj_: been using 3 for a few months on archlinux, no issues yet
[11:53] <Gnat`> is this final coutdown -> http://thisisthecountdown.com/    reliable ?
[11:53] <love> Anonxpct, yes correct
[11:53] <TehDGM> lordjj_ you do realise that theres no big changes in the 3.0 kernel right? ITs just a number
[11:54] <love> I have the latest version downloaded and ready to go
[11:54] <CantWinn> Hey guys, I have a problem (no surprise lol) with my graphics. I have a laptop with 4x AMD Phenom(tm) II P940 Quad-Core Processor and 6GB RAM, and an ATI Radeon HD 5650 With dedicated memory. I use currently 11.04 and hoping to up to 11.10 in 6hrs? lol -- Problem: If I use the proprietary drivers the system kinda runs chunky and full screen video is choppy. If I run the open source the system and video runs faster but the graphics are glitchy. I currently r
[11:54] <CantWinn> un in Ubuntu classic desktop because unity is almost unbearably slow or glitchy.
[11:54] <phlak_user> TehDGM: hmmm. coudnt they have called it kernel 2011 then?
[11:54] <lordjj_> TehDGM, yeah but I remmember hearing stuff about that new numbering causing some errors.
[11:55] <Anonxpct> CantWin:its an optimus problem
[11:55] <Anonxpct> Try bumblebee
[11:55] <CantWinn> Anonxpct, is there a solution?
[11:55] <TehDGM> lordjj_: they just chose to name it 3 for the 20 year anniversairy. Nothing really changed
[11:55] <auronandace> lordjj_: only with hardcoded scripts that assumes 2.6 for the kernel (which you shouldn't do anyway (bad coding practice))
[11:56] <Anonxpct> Bumblebee project:im using it without ny probs nw
[11:56] <Anonxpct> Gt it from github
[11:56] <siouX_> hi, i do update-manager -d, but don't show
[11:56] <hungryhubby> hi i have trouble with tv time
[11:56] <siouX_> the update the distro
[11:57] <munikar> #ubuntu-release-party
[11:57] <CantWinn> Anonxpct, Optimus? Bublebee? Sorry I am not sure which projects these are - I'll look them up
[11:57] <Anonxpct> Optimus is a technology to switch btwn integrated nd discrete gpu
[11:58] <zakidine> Hi everyone, i would like to get rid of the useless files on ubuntu
[11:58] <Anonxpct> Nvidia did nt release it fr linux
[11:58] <zakidine> should i just delete some files in the folder /tmp?
[11:58] <WaRMaiN> I have a DELL XPS with Core 2 Duo X7900 and Dual Nvidia GTX8800 and if i connect a monitor and use the Xinerama option, My desktop dead on the reboot. and i cant see any icons, i had to choose the old gnome enviroment
[11:59] <zakidine> i hade 5gos free, i tried that command 'sudo apt-get clean' and now i only have 400mo :Q
[11:59] <CantWinn> Anonxpct, there could be a reason i haven't heard of it.. it says project bumblebee is for nVidia, I have ATI
[11:59] <WaRMaiN> how can i do to use Unity Without problem ?
[11:59] <Anonxpct> @warmain...u too hv an optimus problem i thnk...
[11:59] <andyn> you cannot, it's been designed by monkeys
[12:00] <WaRMaiN> i think that would be the multiple GPUs in my case
[12:00] <koichirose> is oneiric coming out today?
[12:00] <phlak_user> WaRMaiN: i have noticed that multiple monitors works only with Gnome-Classic (without Unity/Compiz)
[12:00] <hungryhubby> check this bug:https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tvtime/+bug/872274
[12:00] <Anonxpct> @cantwin try hybridlinux blogspot page
[12:00] <Anonxpct> Thnk its hybrid-linux.blogspot.com
[12:01] <WaRMaiN> but fedora works fine with that! :S
[12:01] <TehDGM> Anonxpct: does your o key not work? XD
[12:01] <WaRMaiN> why not ubuntu ?
[12:01] <TehDGM> oh it does now nm :)
[12:01] <zakidine> Hi everyone, i would like to get rid of the useless files on ubuntu
[12:01] <zakidine> should i just delete some files in the folder /tmp?
[12:01] <zakidine> i hade 5gos free, i tried that command 'sudo apt-get clean' and now i only have 400mo :Q
[12:02] <Atharva> hungryhubby : How to find a bug in the computer ? (sry to ask such question).
[12:02] <phlak_user> zakidine: the tmp folder gets emptied on every reboot
[12:02] <phlak_user> zakidine: you could rid of the docs (ive yet to come across someone who reads them)
[12:02] <TehDGM> that and they're online too
[12:03] <zakidine> i should reboot then, but there's files don't want to disapear
[12:03] <zakidine> tpdqqnws... tmpdgekz etc
[12:03] <hungryhubby> anybody knows about tvtime
[12:03] <WaRMaiN> phlak_user:  why Fedora Works fine with multiple monitors on Unity and Ubuntu can't do the same ?
[12:04] <phlak_user> WaRMaiN: havent got a clue dude
[12:04] <hungryhubby> hi ActionParsnip
[12:04] <ActionParsnip> hi hungryhubby
[12:04] <dr_willis> WaRMaiN:  you installed Unity on fedora?
[12:04] <hungryhubby> bug-872274
[12:05] <WaRMaiN> Last Fedora comes with Unity
[12:05] <hungryhubby> trouble with natty and tvtime
[12:05] <phlak_user> WaRMaiN: did you mean compiz when you said unity?
[12:05] <dr_willis> last fedora i tried came with Gnome Shell...
[12:05] <Anonxpct> Hmm...dnt knw fedora hd unity by default
[12:06] <dr_willis> Anonxpct:  im pretty sure it dosent.
[12:06] <hungryhubby> hi dr_willis can u look into my bug 872274
[12:06] <dr_willis> hungryhubby:  ive not used a tv tuner in ages..
[12:06] <dr_willis> run it  min a terminal look for error messages
[12:07] <Abhijit_> WaRMaiN, its gnome 3 not unity
[12:07] <Anonxpct> Ther shd b log smwer in var/log i thnk
[12:07] <hungryhubby> if u can just look into the bug report that will be gr8
[12:09] <Pici> !u
[12:09] <Anonxpct> @abhijit...figures
[12:09] <Johnny_Giggles> Where did Singham go?
[12:09] <TehDGM> exploded
[12:10] <hungryhubby> trouble with natty and tvtime: any help
[12:10] <thauriswulfa> Johnny_Giggles:Mumbai
[12:10] <Anonxpct> @hungryhubby...check th logs at /var/log
[12:11] <Johnny_Giggles> I've removed the non-Windows 7 partitions from my hard disk and now it won't boot.  I have one remaining partition, which is NTFS.  When I try to boot my computer it says "Disk boot failure, insert system disk and press enter".  I've tried booting my Win 7 DVD and running bootmgr /nt60 C: and bootrec /fixmbr but it doesn't fix it.  Ideas?
[12:11] <Abhijit_> Anonxpct, amm?
[12:12] <mfauzirahman> #ubuntu-my-n9
[12:12] <roadfish> do USB dial-up modems work well with Ubuntu. Or are serial dial-up modems better? I'm getting a new computer that doesn't have a serial port ... so I have to get a serial-port ePCI card (for my old serial-port modem) or get a USB modem.
[12:12] <thauriswulfa> Johnny_Giggles: I had this problem too once, try loading bootmgr using Grub4dos
[12:12] <dr_willis> Johnny_Giggles:  windows 7 normally has a boot type partition at the start.
[12:12] <mfauzirahman> #ubuntu-my-n9
[12:12] <Johnny_Giggles> ah hell, I'll just reinstall
[12:13] <Johnny_Giggles> time for a good reinstall anyway
[12:13] <thauriswulfa> How many hours left for ubuntu release?
[12:13] <Anonxpct> @johny: try update-grub on ubuntu
[12:13] <dr_willis> thauriswulfa:  when its done its done...
[12:14] <Pessimist> dr_willis http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/ is this the final release of 11.10?
[12:14] <Anonxpct> Whoever askd th usb modem question
[12:14] <Arnold> Johnny_Giggles, install syslinux and then type this "sudo dd if=/usr/lib/syslinux/mbr.bin of=/dev/sda"
[12:14] <Arnold> Or follow this forum link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=622828
[12:15] <Anonxpct> Usb modems wrk fine in ubuntu
[12:15] <mfauzirahman> #ubuntu-release-party still on?
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> Pessimist: anything Oneiric in #ubuntu+1 please
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> mfauzirahman: should be, yes
[12:15] <roadfish> Anonxpct: ok, thanks for the info.
[12:16] <Sidewinder1> thauriswulfa, 5.75
[12:16] <haddock_> hmm. I thought they were going to lauch the new Ubuntu today ? strange. no news. nothing. Do you know anything ?
[12:17] <haddock_> Something.. not anything.
[12:17] <Anonxpct> @haddock...supposdly withn th nxt hour
[12:17] <zaapiel> haddock_, they put it off do to the passing of steve jobs
[12:17] <phlak_user> !11.10 > haddock
[12:17]  * zaapiel lawls
[12:17] <haddock_> :D
[12:17] <haddock_> very fynny
[12:17] <zaapiel> no announcements for a month
[12:18] <Abhijit_> haddock_, #ubuntu-release-party
[12:18] <haddock_> :)
[12:18] <haddock_> Niiiiice
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> haddock_: join #ubuntu+1   when you get kicked here, it'sout
[12:18] <Pessimist> !11.00
[12:18] <Pessimist> !11.10
[12:18] <Semtex> does anyone know what is going to happen to gnome if I upgrade and use 'ubuntu classic' currently?
[12:19] <roadfish> so the new Ubuntu is out today? then I guess that's what I should install on my new computer. I thought Ubuntu came out at the end of the month.
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> Semtex: it will be replaced by Unity2d
[12:19] <Semtex> hmm
[12:19] <haddock_> ActionParsnip: thanks. hmm.. MAc users completely lack that social life.
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> haddock_: what social life? You lost me...
[12:20] <haddock_> ActionParsnip: Hanging out on IRC waiting for a release. Because there are no Ubuntu stores :D
[12:21] <Semtex> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/11.10/release/ ?
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> haddock_: ahh I see. Well I'm out today. My autoupdater will push me gracefully to the rc (been using Oneiric since Alpha 2 ;))
[12:21] <dr_willis> It will be ready when its ready.....
[12:21] <ikonia> Semtex: why are you poasting that
[12:21] <Semtex> why are we not allowed?
[12:22] <ikonia> Semtex: because it doesn't help
[12:22] <TehDGM> stolen goods
[12:22] <dr_willis> every 6 mo same thing... people posting stuff befor its officially anounced.. have some patience.
[12:22] <ikonia> Semtex: it actually causes problems. so I'll ask again "why are you posting that"
[12:22] <Semtex> beacuse people where asking for it
[12:22] <Semtex> and its posted on the internet
[12:22] <Semtex> which is where i got it from
[12:23] <ikonia> Semtex: where is it posted on the internet that it's released, please visit this URL to get it
[12:23] <Semtex> http://news.ycombinator.com/news
[12:23] <ikonia> Semtex: is that an ubuntu website ?
[12:23] <Semtex> no
[12:23] <sanu01> hello. am trying to open a folder on a windows comp. its already shared but i cannot access it. i forgot the samba command to open a share
[12:23] <ikonia> Semtex: right, so it's released when the people who make the product say it is
[12:23] <sanu01> smb///x.x.x.x.x ?
[12:23] <sanu01> though its not opeining
[12:24] <woda> lol
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> sanu01: why not just use nautilus?
[12:24] <sanu01> ActionParsnip, errr in unity cant even find the bar
[12:24] <Semtex> why is that going to suddenly change the software?
[12:24] <sanu01> ActionParsnip, for unity
[12:24] <ikonia> Semtex: no, but getting people to download from it while it's tryin gto be mirrored doesn't help
[12:25] <dr_willis> sanu01:  the file manager uses the smb:// type address or has a 'connect to pc' menu item
[12:25] <sanu01> ActionParsnip, i mean in nautalius
[12:25] <Semtex> fair enough
[12:25] <ikonia> Semtex: thank you
[12:25] <dr_willis> sanu01:  ctrl-l to show/hide the path bar.
[12:25] <sanu01> dr_willis, is there a way i can get the address bar in unity?
[12:25] <sanu01> dr_willis, oki
[12:25] <Semtex> but like I say I honestly didnt know
[12:25] <dr_willis> sanu01:  its a nautilus thing.. not a unity thing. :)
[12:26] <Semtex> I only came here beacuse of that link
[12:26] <dr_willis> sanu01:  and theres the places menu item.
[12:26] <sanu01> dr_willis, ah ok. Thanks a lot:))))
[12:26] <Semtex> but since I am gonna lose gnome I have a problem
[12:26] <dr_willis> You are not loseing gnome.. you are going to gain gnome3 :) if you want.
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> sanu01: in te menus in nautilus there is a 'connect to server' bit
[12:28] <auronandace> dr_willis: i think ubuntu classic mode should have come with a nice big warning notification
[12:28]  * auronandace is glad that i use xfce
[12:28] <AofA> hello, I am attempting to install ubuntu 8.04 on a celeron 1.1 machine with 512 ram andwindows xp install, keep on getting the initramfs prompt. I have found a suggestion to forcibly mount the ntfs volume
[12:28] <AofA> I am afraid to do so, any experience with similar problem?
[12:29] <auronandace> AofA: can't you use 10.04?
[12:29] <backtracker2> Where can I go for Backtrack?
[12:29] <auronandace> !backtrack | backtracker2
[12:29] <iceroot> !alis | backtracker2
[12:29] <youness> hello ubuntu
[12:29] <AofA> auronandace: same problem with 10.04, went back to 8.04 because I hoped it would work better (low memmory)
[12:30] <backtracker2> AofA: How much ram do you have?
[12:30] <auronandace> !lubuntu | AofA
[12:30] <AofA> 512
[12:31] <dr_willis> Lubuntu is nice. :)(
[12:31] <auronandace> AofA: lubuntu is meant for lower resource systems
[12:31] <TehDGM> DSL :P
[12:31] <K350> I've no idea if my sound dev is /dev/dsp or something else. How do I find out?
[12:32] <youness> is ubuntu 11.10 alrdy out?
[12:32] <Pici> no
[12:32] <bindi> yes
[12:32] <bindi> http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/
[12:32] <auronandace> youness: not officially no
[12:32] <arcaico> hello, I need to initialise 2 software on different terminais, before graph login
[12:32] <auronandace> bindi: don't do that
[12:32] <youness> ok thnx
[12:32] <AofA> the reason I am using ubuntu is because it is the recommened os for the program I need, EMC2 (cnc control software for linux). Does any linux program work on any linux  os?
[12:32] <bindi> auronandace: do what?
[12:33] <phlak_user> AofA: mostly
[12:33] <auronandace> bindi: until it is officially released don't post that link
[12:33] <bindi> auronandace: why does that page exist then?
[12:34] <auronandace> bindi: they are in the process of mirroring
[12:34] <TehDGM> it'll cause their servers to die if everybody starts downloading from there
[12:34] <TehDGM> isnt there a torrent?
[12:34] <auronandace> bindi: increasing the load on the servers will slow the process
[12:34] <bindi> auronandace: shouldnt have the page up then, not my fault :p use torrents then
[12:35] <auronandace> bindi: i do use torrents, but don't post the link
[12:37] <Kre10s> hello. Is it possible to simulate the plymouth loading screen? or do I need to reboot to see it?
[12:37] <Semtex> lol
[12:38] <jacobnesto> Hello, anyone knows when the version 11.10 will be available to download?
[12:38] <stillParsnip> Kre10s: i believe so. There may be: plymouth -test    check the man page is all I can suggest
[12:39] <AofA> ubottu: is there any possible way to install ubuntu on a 512 ram machine, if installing lubuntu is not an option?
[12:39] <stillParsnip> jacobnesto: ask in #ubuntu+1 for anything oneiric
[12:39] <Pici> jacobnesto: Oneiric is not yet released and there is no predetermined time on the 13th when it will be. Await the release in #ubuntu-release-party or for more questions join #ubuntu+1
[12:39] <auronandace> AofA: why is lubuntu not an option?
[12:40] <saju_m> i have alog file of size 200mb, how open that in ubuntu ????
[12:40] <AofA> because the software I need is only precompiled for ubuntu, and I am a linux virgin
[12:40] <stillParsnip> Aofa: use Lubuntu for a more responsive OS. 512mb ram is plenty for a full gnome desktop
[12:40] <auronandace> saju_m: with a text editor?
[12:40] <saju_m> system hanging while trying to open in Text editer.
[12:40] <saju_m> ya
[12:41] <auronandace> AofA: it should work on lubuntu
[12:41] <stillParsnip> Aofa: lubuntu is ubuntu, it just uses LXDE and Openbox instead of Gnome and Compiz to be lighter.
[12:41] <auronandace> saju_m: what log is it?
[12:42] <sbte> hey, I'm trying to use the oneiric software center (because synaptic was removed), but how on earth do I find actual packages
[12:42] <saju_m> error and debug
[12:42] <saju_m> log
[12:42] <sbte> not only applications I don't want
[12:42] <moljac024> seriously when will 11.10 be available for download?
[12:42] <switch10_> saju_m: try cat | more
[12:42] <Pici> moljac024: Oneiric is not yet released and there is no predetermined time on the 13th when it will be. Await the release in #ubuntu-release-party or for more questions join #ubuntu+1
[12:42] <stillParsnip> Sbte: ask in #ubuntu+1 for anything oneiric
[12:42] <switch10_> but a 200mb text file is massive!
[12:42] <saju_m> created using python logging module
[12:43] <Pici> saju_m: you can use less
[12:43] <saju_m> can i do a serch in it using any command
[12:43] <saju_m> ???
[12:43] <sbte> stillParsnip, oneiric is +0 today, so...
[12:43] <stillParsnip> saju_m: less /path/to/filename.log
[12:44] <saju_m> can i do a search in it using any command, without open it ????
[12:44] <stillParsnip> sbte: maybe, but its not released right NOW
[12:44] <switch10_> you can download the torrent right now.
[12:45] <blastermaster> where?
[12:45] <iszak> ??#
[12:45] <Pici> Its not out.
[12:45] <switch10_> http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/
[12:45] <switch10_> im downloading the torrent right now
[12:45] <iszak> Pici, sure is
[12:46] <maulana> how to run desktop effect on my ubuntu 10.04
[12:46] <blastermaster> is it final relese?
[12:46] <iszak> blastermaster, yes
[12:46] <stillParsnip> saju_m: i know nano can. I'm sure less will have a search. Alternatively you can grep the file to search:  grep word /path/file.log   will show all occurances of 'word' in the file
[12:46] <Pici> iszak: The release manager has not made the announcement.  Anything can still change at this point.  We ask that our users respect that and not post pre-release links.
[12:46] <iuytfr> hello there
[12:46] <blastermaster> thanks
[12:47] <Pici> saju_m: press / in less to search.  n to go to next match
[12:47] <iszak> Pici, probably haven't announced it because servers are still mirroring it.
[12:47] <Pici> iszak: Then be kind and let the bandwidth be used for that.
[12:47] <iuytfr> is it possible to change BIOS Clock from command line ?
[12:47] <dthacker> iuytfr: hwclock
[12:47] <iszak> Pici, I will be seeding it once I've downloaded it.
[12:47] <maulana> am need to run desktop effect on my ubuntu please how to
[12:47] <stillParsnip> switch10_: that torrent is the beta 2. You will upgrade seamlessly to the release. Its not out
[12:48] <maulana> how to enable desktop effect on ubuntu 10.11
[12:48] <Hatrix76> can I upgrade with apt to the releas already or is this also still beta?
[12:48] <stillParsnip> blastermaster: its not out. Install the beta2 if you want the
[12:49] <datalay> i installed mapserver-bin package with apt-get install mapserver-bin
[12:49] <datalay> but i cant find mapserv binary file
[12:49] <stillParsnip> blastermaster: you can upgrade to the rc seamlessly
[12:49] <datalay> how can i learn installation directory? where did it install it?
[12:49] <blastermaster> ok
[12:49] <switch10_> stillParsnip: right you are.
[12:49] <axisys> datalay: dpkg -L mapserver-bin will help
[12:49] <StepNjump> Anybody familiar here with extundelete?
[12:50] <somsip> StepNjump: i've used it, but I couldn't claim to be over-familiar
[12:50] <rabbi1> how to reset config
[12:50] <rabbi1> *compiz
[12:50] <rabbi1> lost menubar of all the window
[12:50] <Reave-Magentium> Hey everyone! how is everyone this fine day :)
[12:50] <stillParsnip> switch10_: note the file creation data on the site you gave. Its not todays date. Its
[12:50] <moljac024> http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/ <-- are these valid/final ?
[12:50] <StepNjump> ok somsip maybe you could help me
[12:50] <datalay> i cant see mapserv file axisys
[12:50] <Stanley00>  rabbi1 try looking all folder name *compiz* in your home, and delete them
[12:50] <datalay> without that binary i cant use that package
[12:50] <somsip> StepNjump: it'll have to be quick...
[12:51] <StepNjump> ok somsip the instructions are here: http://extundelete.sourceforge.net/
[12:51] <axisys> datalay: whatever is in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin is the binary
[12:51] <datalay>  dpkg -L mapserver-bin mapserv file doesnt exist in that list
[12:51] <StepNjump> when I try to execute the 3rd step ./configure
[12:51] <blastermaster> the torrent has date of october 13 ? and is not marked as beta or rc
[12:51] <axisys> datalay: dpkg -L mapserver-bin
[12:51] <Reave-Magentium> rabbi1, the only way that i know of is to press CTRL+ALT+F1, type ps aux |more , find the process for /usr/bin/x11 and then type sudo kill <id> which is the number in the secodn collumn
[12:51] <stillParsnip> moljac024: when the channel message changes, its out. The cdimage guys may
[12:51] <rabbi1> Stanley00: sure? can't i uninstall from syn mgr
[12:51] <Reave-Magentium> blademaster - just checked for upgrade, still registered as ReleaseCandidate
[12:52] <stillParsnip> moljac024: may not update immediately (afaik)
[12:52] <maulana> be for am click right on desktop and aktif the effect and right know i do no how do
[12:52] <blastermaster> ok
[12:52] <maulana> for aktive desktop effect
[12:52] <axisys> datalay: pastebin the output of `dpkg -L mapserver-bin'
[12:52] <Reave-Magentium> I agree with StillParsnip, it takes time to put all the ISO files onto their server, so just because we see the files tehre, may not mean they are released just yet
[12:52] <datalay> axisys,  http://pastebin.com/9eGTpL0A
[12:52] <SDN> how do i update from 11.04 to 11.10 through terminal
[12:53] <Stanley00> rabbi1: uninstall compiz? maybe, but make sure mark remove completely
[12:53] <axisys> datalay: all those files like /usr/bin/legend are the binaries
[12:53] <stepnjump> ok sorry... when I do the config it gives  me this: configure: error: Can't find ext2fs library
[12:53] <Reave-Magentium> Stantly00 if he is using Unity in any way it will remove his Unity and Gnomedesktop as well
[12:53] <stepnjump> yet its installed
[12:53] <datalay> axisys, these are helper binaries for mapserver i whinkt
[12:53] <Reave-Magentium> stepnjump try sudo apt-get install ext2fs
[12:53] <datalay> not mapserver daemon
[12:53] <stepnjump> its already there
[12:54] <somsip> stepnjump: firstly - are you using the system that the disk was connected to when it dies?
[12:54] <stillParsnip> Why can't people just chillout? If you dont get the new release on release day, you can get it any of the other days all the way up to it being EOL...
[12:54] <somsip> *died
[12:54] <datalay> found
[12:54] <stepnjump> yes but a different partition
[12:54] <datalay> correct package name is: cgi-mapserver
[12:54] <somsip> stepnjump: so you have rebooted and there is no way the dead partition can be written to?
[12:54] <maulana> i means visual effects on a preferences > aparance visual effect
[12:54] <dr-lee> hi
[12:55] <stepnjump> same sda.. it died on sda8 and now I'm on sda6
[12:55] <maulana> but am can't find it
[12:55] <maulana> am used ubuntu 11
[12:55] <stillParsnip> maulana: what video chip are you using?
[12:55] <maulana> intel
[12:55] <stepnjump> somip no I don't want to... because I accidentally deleted all my Documents
[12:55] <stepnjump> 22 GB worth
[12:55] <somsip> stepnjump: k - I ost files as I tried to build extundelete immediately and ended up booting to LiveCD and build there *which worked fine and might help you*
[12:55] <maulana> stillParsnip, am b 4 can used it
[12:56] <dr-lee> ubuntu 11.10 release date was scheduled today, but It seems not released....any1 here who can show me the place where i can find more informations on the release date of ubuntu oneiric ???
[12:56] <maulana> but right now am can't find it on my menu at apperaance
[12:56] <stepnjump> you built it from livecd somip?
[12:57] <stillParsnip> maulana: doesnt answer the question
[12:57] <stepnjump> somip, i unpackaged in my home folder is that ok?
[12:57] <ubuntu1> when ubuntu 11.10 will publish? can anyone tell me?
[12:57] <stepnjump> maybe the $path is not found?
[12:57] <determinology> Hmm google chrome wont install on 64 bit..how nice
[12:57] <somsip> stepnjump: yeah - read about problems of new data ocerwriting fragments of lost files (I did lose a few) so rebooted to a live CD I had to hand, and I don't think I had to install anything to build it. Mounted the dead drive from live CD and ran it from there
[12:57] <maulana> stillParsnip, how i see the vga
[12:58] <wis3v0yag3r> ubuntu1, here it is http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/
[12:58] <mekwall> hrm... I've created my own upstart script, and it works (with start/stop) but how do I get it to start on boot?
[12:58] <dr-lee> @ubuntu: ubuntu 11.10 should be released today!!!
[12:58] <stillParsnip> dr-lee: it is today, but it could be on one of the 24 hours that make up a day. Can't it?
[12:58] <maulana> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[12:58] <dr-lee> i can wait a day or a week
[12:58] <dr-lee> thank you
[12:58] <dr-lee> i just need to know
[12:58] <maulana> stillParsnip, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[12:58] <stepnjump> mmmm
[12:58] <ubuntu1>  today is 13?10
[12:58] <dr-lee> yes
[12:58] <stillParsnip> maulana: lspci | grep -i vga
[12:58] <stepnjump> somip and this is the BEST tool for ext4 right?
[12:58] <maulana> am have done stillParsnip :> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[12:59] <Reave-Magentium> Anyone who is wondering about the Release of Ubuntu 11.10 needs to realise that in honolulu Hawaii it is still 3am on te 13th. They said it would be released, meaning they MAY release it at 11:59:59 Honolulu time which is the latest time.
[12:59] <stillParsnip> dr-lee: so now you know why..
[12:59] <ubuntu1> sorry today is 13/10. but when they will publish?
[12:59] <somsip> stepnjump: I can't comment, but it did work for me. I recovered about 95% of what I lost
[12:59] <Pici> ubuntu1: Oneiric is not yet released and there is no predetermined time on the 13th when it will be. Await the release in #ubuntu-release-party or for more questions join #ubuntu+1
[12:59] <dr-lee> yep
[12:59] <stepnjump> nice!
[12:59] <maulana> stillParsnip, am not fine this menu http://www.kincir.org/images/stories/compiz/desktopeffect2.jpg
[12:59] <dr-lee> its there :)
[12:59] <dr-lee> hip hip hurrayyy
[12:59] <Falki> when come out ubuntu 11.10
[13:00] <somsip> stepnjump: from rm -RF in a subdir with a load of dev code. I needed it to work. So that would be my recommendation, but I do not claim to be an expert (boot to LiveCD and build there)
[13:00] <Heziva>  /j #playframework
[13:00] <dr-lee> its is out Falki
[13:00] <Heziva> wops
[13:00] <stepnjump> the version of my ext2fs is not exactly what they ask for though... maybe thats why
[13:00] <Heziva> sry
[13:00] <Reave-Magentium> Falki, could be another 12 - 15 hours.
[13:00] <dr-lee> its there
[13:00] <Reave-Magentium> Falki, if you want running updates join the #ubuntu-release-party channel
[13:00] <sven^> uhm. I put in a cd to burn and now cdrecord seems crashed. The drive doesn't even open or close anymore. Any suggestions?
[13:00] <dr-lee> http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/
[13:01] <stepnjump> somsip i am puzzled
[13:01] <somsip> stepnjump: ?
[13:01] <Reave-Magentium> dr-lee yes but the 64bit iso is from yesterday and from what i heard by a guy on another IRC, the iso is still the release candidate
[13:01] <stepnjump> would there be a way you could connect to my machine somsip?
[13:01] <dr-lee> aaah
[13:01] <Anonxpct> Sven...try a diff os...if it still fails its a hrdware faukt
[13:01] <dr-lee> ok
[13:01] <stepnjump> maybe its something real dum
[13:01] <Reave-Magentium> Also, update-manager -d shows RC Upgrade
[13:01] <stepnjump> and simple
[13:01] <somsip> stepnjump: not something I would offer to do even if I could
[13:01] <dr-lee> I will wait for lubuntu anyways ;)
[13:02] <stepnjump> ok.. i trust you
[13:02] <Reave-Magentium> dr-lee i was hoping that it was the latest as well :P but it seems that it is just the location of the official Release Candidates
[13:02] <iuytfr> dthacker: how to sync with the system clock ?
[13:02] <stepnjump> ok well i'll keep trying
[13:02] <stepnjump> thanks
[13:02] <ViccieB> When I do a "lsb_release -a" there is no more mentioning of "development branch"... does that imply I'm already running the final
[13:02] <somsip> stepnjump: Like I say, the live CD build is an option, but I would avoid booting back into a system with the dead drive mounted. Get rid of it from fstab for instance
[13:02] <Reave-Magentium> Go to your clock settings iuytfr and type your location, then select Get Time from Internet
[13:03] <HakanS> Someone running Ubuntu on a Intel i5 with integrated graphic?
[13:03] <iuytfr> from cli Reave-Magentium
[13:03] <dr-lee> lets wait some hours...no problem here
[13:03] <stepnjump> somsip btw, did you just mount the partition or you additionally mounted it just on read, not write?
[13:03] <Anonxpct> Nyone try linuxfromscratch here?
[13:03] <ghostnik11> is the ubuntu release party over and checked the ubuntu site still don't see any download option for ubuntu 11.10
[13:03] <socket> hey, just installed mysqld using apt-get, how do i start it? 'service' doesnt know mysql and /etc/init.d/mysql does not exist
[13:03] <dr-lee> i just needed to know if there is a delay resulting of some serious problems....but everything seems coming soon :)
[13:03] <somsip> stepnjump: I can't honestly remember. I said earlier I mounted it from the liveCD but that doesn't actually make sense. I don't recall the mechanics of running extundelete (it workeD) but can recall how I built it
[13:03] <okCPU> anyone have time for a SAMBA noob? i have an ubuntu ftp server that i want to automatically transfer files from to a win2000 server edition machine...
[13:04] <stepnjump> I don't think its mounted
[13:04] <dr_willis> Anonxpct:  install virtualbox on ubuntu, try LFS in vbox. :)
[13:04] <stepnjump> okk
[13:04] <somsip> stepnjump: gluck - gg
[13:04] <taisa> need some help with localization pls: the desktop is located in /home/user/Desktop, but with localization in German, a new directory was created on my ubuntu 11.04 with the name /home/user/Arbeitsfläche, which should i use?
[13:04] <stepnjump> I DID take a snapshot using acronis earlier today
[13:04] <dr_willis> okCPU:  FTP is not samba.. but if you mount the 'shares' to directories. you can copy them wever you need via cron jobs and rsync or other commands. :)
[13:04] <stepnjump> so I have an image worse case scenario
[13:04] <dthacker> iuytfr: hwclock --systohc
[13:05] <stepnjump> tnx
[13:05] <Anonxpct> I alrdy hv VB dr.willis.. I was tokng abt creatng linux from scratch:)
[13:05] <dr_willis> Anonxpct:  yes.. try out LFS in vbox. makes it easier them messing with a real hardware machine.
[13:06] <okCPU> dr_willis: i thought you need SAMBA for windoze to see your shares though... the FTP machine faces outwards and allows our clients to upload files... i need to unzip and transfer these files to our processing server
[13:06] <Anonxpct> Ah k...hvnt strtd out yet...ws jst thnkng of creatng linux frm scratch
[13:06] <popolon> Anonxpct, use linux from scratch documentation
[13:07] <ViccieB> its kinda different from ubuntu!
[13:07] <hungryhubby> tvtime help
[13:07] <popolon> nice done, that at least a good thing to understand most of a linux distro architecture
[13:07] <hungryhubby> actually i want to edit xorg file can u tell me the location
[13:07] <bombadil_rocks> Anonxpct, you might also want to cheeck out a source distro like gentoo as an intimediate step
[13:07] <sgs2_usr> so is 11.10 finally out?
[13:07] <hellem_> hello
[13:07] <Reave-Magentium> sgs2_usr no not yet
[13:08] <sgs2_usr> Reave-Magentium: aw man :D
[13:08] <HakanS> sgs2_usr: Yes. It´s out
[13:08] <popolon> anything is very slow on cdimage ?
[13:08] <popolon> ah ok
[13:08] <sgs2_usr> HakanS: what???
[13:08] <popolon> the final ?
[13:08] <Reave-Magentium> sgs2_usr its only 3am in honolulu we could be waiting another 15 hours for it :P
[13:08] <popolon> or the b3 ?
[13:08] <sgs2_usr> Reave-Magentium: lol
[13:08] <HakanS> sgs2_usr: 11.10 is out.
[13:08] <Lasers> Ubuntu is trying to make everyone sleepy so when it come out, we all would be asleep. :(
[13:09] <socket> hey, just installed mysqld using apt-get, how do i start it? 'service' doesnt know mysql and /etc/init.d/mysql does not exist
[13:09] <Reave-Magentium> :P yes it is haha
[13:09] <dr_willis> okCPU:    samba is used for windows -> linux accessing. You can mount a windows share to some location on the linux machine. then access it as if it was a local directory on the linux box.. thus you could ftp upload to the linux box and have it to INTO the mounted samba share.
[13:09] <sgs2_usr> Lasers: im gonna camp :D
[13:09] <dr_willis> okCPU:  but  you may want to look into using ssh, and scp. and forgetting about ftp. :)
[13:09] <Reave-Magentium> socket it should be already running, to use it it is sudo mysqladmin ...
[13:09] <hellem_> q
[13:09] <sven^> Anonxpct: ok, will do that. The main problem is that something now blocks the device and I do not want to reboot ;)
[13:10] <okCPU> dr_willis: thanks... i will look into all of these =)
[13:10] <popolon> fuck, I just bought a new computer today
[13:10] <pangolin> !language | popolon
[13:10] <ViccieB> why is that a problem then popolon?
[13:10] <Lasers> sgs2_usr: noob camper. :(
[13:10] <popolon> I hopped to be able to install it quickly with xubuntu or ubuntu studio
[13:10] <sgs2_usr> popolon: are we allow to use foul words?
[13:10] <sgs2_usr> Lasers: :D
[13:10] <popolon> it will then take lot of time :(
[13:10]  * dr_willis covers his ears.
[13:10] <popolon> sraue, scuse me :)
[13:10] <dr_willis> The torrents will be amazingly fast when 11.10 comes out and they get seeded. :)
[13:11] <popolon> yes but after the torrent
[13:11] <popolon> there is the installation process :(
[13:11] <zykotick9> dr_willis, covering your eyes, on IRC, might be more effective ;)
[13:11] <dr_willis> normal ubuntu install for me -  like 30 min perhaps...
[13:11] <dr-lee> but the more torrent connections the slower my whole lame laptop gets in its overall performance :(
[13:11] <waser> isn't a dist-upgrade possible?
[13:11] <AofA> I tried 8.04 like you suggested, and it is still sending me to a install error screen. Haven't been able to find more memory yet, so I was hoping to work around it some way.
[13:11] <dr-lee> dist-upgrade is possible
[13:11] <Reave-Magentium> dr-lee you can limit global cnonections...
[13:12] <waser> so there you go ;)
[13:12] <dr-lee> then it gets slower again ;)
[13:12] <Bartoloni> ubuntu 11.10 is out?
[13:12] <dr-lee> i am doin the classic wget  ;)
[13:12] <Reave-Magentium> dr-lee unfortunately my router dies if more then 200 connections go to it, so i gotta limit mien.
[13:12] <kanha> how to create a branch in launchpad for pushing a branch.
[13:12] <waser> why slower?
[13:12] <dr-lee> its  very much, 200 connections
[13:12] <DJredstar> hi! is the stable version of ubuntu 11.10 out yet? i cant find a download for it
[13:12] <dr-lee> i guess my lapotop would freeze then
[13:12] <dr_willis> DJredstar:  no its not.
[13:13] <bucaneiro> stable?
[13:13] <bindi> dr-lee: no it's really not :p
[13:13] <dr_willis> !party | DJredstar
[13:13] <dr-lee> ;)
[13:13] <dr_willis> have they changed the topic to 'no its not out yet'  :) yet....
[13:14] <popolon> so everything is frozen
[13:14] <popolon> impossible to have beta for today ?
[13:14] <popolon> perhaps on a mirror ???
[13:14] <dr_willis> popolon:   i updated and upgraded my beta just a few hrs ago. :)
[13:14] <dr-lee> sure..beta is there
[13:15] <dr_willis> so in a few days i will update to final
[13:15] <popolon> dr_willis, do you know an ubuntustudio mirror ?
[13:15] <bhush> hello friends how do i resolve blank screen error...???
[13:15] <dr-lee> i am afraid unity gets to heavy so i want lubuntu
[13:15] <dr_willis> popolon:  check their web site i guess. or the various iso sites out there.
[13:15] <popolon> my provider only has xubuntu/kubuntu/ubuntu
[13:15] <popolon> ok thanks
[13:15] <dr_willis> !iso
[13:15] <dr_willis> doh. :) wrong factoid
[13:15] <dr-lee> @bhush try cntrl + alt + F1
[13:16] <Reave-Magentium> * Checks optus Repo for Ubuntu, finds 11.10 Official ISO on list.... Me = Confused
[13:16] <dr-lee> if you can switch to another shell then there is hope ;)
[13:16] <dr_willis> Reave-Magentium:  its a placeholder file...
[13:16] <popolon> seem to have only cdimage.ubuntu.org link
[13:16] <socket> Reave-Magentium: mysql is not running, checked using ps aux. when i try to use mysqladmin i get the 'cant connect to local mysql through socket /var/run/mysqld/'
[13:16] <popolon> and the torrent tracker is blocked
[13:16] <bindi> I just downloaded ubuntu 10.10 release but apparently i'm not supposed to post the link.. lol
[13:16] <socket> so how do i start mysqld  ?
[13:16] <bindi> err
[13:17] <bindi> 11.10
[13:17] <dr_willis> I imagine the servers and stuff are getting updated..
[13:17] <popolon> I don't want to slow the process by downloading an iso from the ubuntu ftp
[13:17] <popolon> slowdown
[13:17] <dmsuperman> How can I configure metacity when I'm using unity-2d?
[13:17] <popolon> so I will wait
[13:17] <dr-lee> maybe the unetbootin is updated to 11.10 allready ;)
[13:17] <sbte> Announcement just sent out
[13:17] <dr_willis> popolon:  theres always   http://linuxtracker.org/
[13:17] <sbte> 11.10 is here
[13:17] <Reave-Magentium> socket try typing sudo /etc/init.d/mysqld start
[13:18] <hungryhubby> i want to edit xorg file can u tell me the location
[13:18] <lxku> OUT YES!!!!!!!!!!!!
[13:18] <hungryhubby> please
[13:18] <dr-lee> was that a bad advise of mine suggesting to switch to another shell when a black screen occurs?
[13:18] <dr_willis> hungryhubby:  /etc/X11/ IF it exists
[13:18] <Reave-Magentium> CONFIRMING = UBUNTU 11.10 IS HERE
[13:18] <Reave-Magentium> GO GET IT BOIS
[13:18] <FloodBot1> Reave-Magentium: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:18] <dr-lee> and BOTS hehehe
[13:18] <dr_willis> Reave-Magentium:  ive yet to see an official anoucement...
[13:18] <dr_willis> yet.. :)
[13:18] <hungryhubby> i cannot find xorg file in there /etc/x11
[13:18] <ededdy> Hi, I have just upgraded to ubuntu 11.10 from 11.04 and I after logging in, I get this error message "Could not update IEAuthority file..". I see a bug as well https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/823775
[13:18] <Reave-Magentium> ubuntu.com guys!!
[13:18] <dr_willis> hungryhubby:  i said IF it exists...
[13:18] <zykotick9> hungryhubby, it's not there by default
[13:18] <Reave-Magentium> ubuntu.com, officially announced!
[13:19] <dr_willis> hungryhubby:  default X setup dosent need one normally
[13:19] <ededdy> Did any one face this problem ?
[13:19] <hungryhubby> should we generate it
[13:19] <Reave-Magentium> Currently downloading the 11.10 OFFICIAL iso
[13:19] <DaerethMagentium> woooo
[13:19] <hungryhubby> where can i find
[13:19] <SDN> ubuntu just gave me the update window :)
[13:19] <Reave-Magentium> update time :P
[13:19] <lalala> yes
[13:19] <socket> Reave-Magentium: i dont have a script named mysqld under /etc/init.d
[13:19] <subz3r0> Is any1 running a AMD E350 APU with ubuntu? Ive installed the ati driver, but 1080p wont work
[13:19] <jetienne> the new ubuntu require 3D support ? or can i run it in a VM ?
[13:20] <lalala> its in the update manager
[13:20] <dr-lee> there is probably a 2d login
[13:20] <SDN> there is a 2d
[13:20] <Reave-Magentium> socket, did you compile it from source??
[13:20] <socket> i installed mysql server using apt-get
[13:20] <dr-lee> k
[13:21] <dmsuperman> How can I configure metacity when I'm using unity-2d?
[13:21] <dageriv> Is it possible to make my terminal window(gnome-terminal) executing ssh, to "blink" when someone on my irssi client mentions my nick(which is highlighted)?
[13:21] <bindi> why does the installer say this http://bindi.arkku.net/idontexist.png
[13:21] <shadow98> sudo apt-cache search libgd1g
[13:21] <socket> maybe i should try a manual install ?
[13:21] <shadow98> how do i find out what package that exist in
[13:21] <Reave-Magentium> socket yes, try doing sudo apt-get install mysql-server again
[13:22] <socket> shit, something's up with my ISP today... :/
[13:22] <socket> did i miss anything ?
[13:22] <Reave-Magentium> socket if you just did apt-get install mysql then it probably only installed the CLIENT files, not server
[13:23] <MonkeyDust> dageriv: http://linuxmanpages.com/man1/irssi.1.php
[13:23] <Reave-Magentium> anyone else still got Release Candidate upgrade in update-manager -d
[13:23] <Reave-Magentium> ??
[13:24] <popolon> http://ftp.sh.cvut.cz/MIRRORS/ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntustudio/releases/11.10/
[13:24] <popolon> cool, I found a mirror by seeks-searching
[13:24] <peto> what is different between alternate and desktop?
[13:24] <popolon> seeks-search really rocks :)
[13:25] <dmsuperman> How can I configure metacity when I'm using unity-2d?
[13:25] <popolon> Peto, you can install without x11 and on some special architecture
[13:25] <volante> is the thing that pops out on the left of screen in unity, called the "dash"?
[13:25] <volante> or "launcher"
[13:25] <Reave-Magentium> launcher i believe
[13:25] <popolon> peto, (I mean the installation process can be done without x11, but you can have x11 after
[13:25] <volante> i'm having problems with the launcher where sometimes it stays out, and doesnt go back
[13:26] <volante> also sometimes it doesnt want to pop out over firefox
[13:26] <Pessimist> f windows :P~
[13:26] <kanha> i fixed  a bug and now need to push it to launchpad but in dont know how to create a branch in launchpad for pushing modified branch to it.please help!
[13:26] <jetienne> q. is ubuntu 11.10 installable in a virtual machine ? does it require 3D support ?
[13:27] <Pici> t/opic
[13:27] <Pitel> okay, how to get back my thrusty gnome 2 in oneiric? ಠ_ಠ
[13:27] <peto> popolon: i think desktop is better ..hm
[13:27] <Pessimist> so oneiric by default doesn't use gnome 3 shell, uses gnome 2 shell with gnome 3 libs or what?
[13:27] <Pessimist> I don't get it
[13:27] <volante> anyone else had issues with the popout launcher on the left not retracting back?
[13:28] <arand> jetienne: It can run with unity-2d when acceleration isn't availale, if I remember correctly
[13:28] <arand> Pessimist: No, uses gnome3 with the Unity shell
[13:28] <dmsuperman> volante: The nature of the bug makes me think it's not high on the list of "must be fixed"
[13:28] <Pessimist> so are ati binary drivers compatable with unity shell on oneiric?
[13:29] <dmsuperman> volante: But it happens to me too
[13:29] <jetienne> arand: ok thanks
[13:29] <jetienne> another question: is unity mandatory ? or is there an alternative ?
[13:29] <robin0800> Pessimist, it uses gnome 3 without the shell if you install the shell you get gnome shell gnome classic and gnome classic no effects
[13:30] <jetienne> robin0800: ok so it is possible to run normal window ?
[13:30] <jetienne> robin0800: without unity i mean
[13:30] <Pessimist> my question is: Does the gnome shell or the libraries make or don't make ati binary drivers incompatable with oneiric?
[13:30] <robbit10> Is the 64-bit version of Ubuntu 11.10 usable for home and production use, or am I better off using Ubuntu 32-bit?
[13:31] <robin0800> jetienne, yes if you install gnome shell
[13:31] <Umberts> salve a tutti
[13:31] <Pici> !it | Umberts
[13:31] <saxin> robbit10: should work great
[13:31] <Umberts> ok, thanks
[13:31] <shadow98> sudo apt-cache search libgd1g <---- how do i find where this package exist?
[13:31]  * phlak_user is downloading 11.10 via torrent
[13:31] <Umberts> :D
[13:31] <Harmonium> Hello. I've just been prompted to update to 11.10. Is GNOME 2 still there in Oneiric? Does it still work?
[13:31] <robbit10> saxin: what about things like Flash, Java, etc? I've heard those could have a few problems with 64-bit.
[13:32] <iuytfr> dthacker: how to check the actual system time ?
[13:32] <bbbbbbbb> i have this usb cardreader "04fc:5602 Sunplus Technology Co., Ltd " - it shows up in lsusb but i can't access the card.
[13:32] <popolon> found lot of mirrors of ubuntu, but ubuntustudio is more hard to find
[13:32] <zykotick9> shadow98, (side note) apt-cache doesn't need sudo
[13:32] <popolon> and the tcheque one is really slow :(
[13:32] <xranby> robbit10: start by assuming everything work and party!
[13:33] <saxin> robbit10: Newest Flash in partner-rep, java had no problem with that
[13:33] <zykotick9> Harmonium, i doubt it... say good by to gnome2 if you upgrade
[13:33] <robbit10> saxin: excellent :D
[13:33]  * robbit10 is off to install Ubuntu 11.10
[13:33] <phlak_user> bbbbbbbb: did it get mounted?
[13:33] <arand> Where can I find more info about the virtual tour that's available on the ubuntu.com page, I don't seem to find the corresponding LP project...
[13:33] <Harmonium> zykotick9: oh, that's sad. I'll stick with the olde one, then. Thanks. :)
[13:34] <bbbbbbbb> phlak_user: no, nothing happens which is odd
[13:35] <datalay> how can i remove a package with no deps
[13:36] <datalay> with apt-get
[13:36] <datalay> apt-get autoremove  or remove uninstalls deps
[13:36] <kanha> while pushing a branch after fixing a bug to launchpad am getting error which i pasted at http://pastebin.com/5QVNqwhP how to get through it..
[13:36] <zykotick9> datalay, what package are you trying to remove?
[13:37] <datalay> i try to remove cgi-mapserver
[13:37] <datalay> with nodeps
[13:37] <phlak_user> bbbbbbbb: the logs should tell you what the issue is; dmesg will have some indication
[13:37] <zhiqiang> hi
[13:37] <zhiqiang> hello
[13:38] <office1> why do we have to create bogus email info in order to use the calendar?
[13:38] <Asurah> Hello
[13:38] <zhiqiang> 俄。。
[13:38] <zhiqiang> 汗。。
[13:38] <phlak_user> !cn | zhiqiang
[13:38] <zhiqiang> 有人没有说点汉语。。翻译太麻烦了
[13:38] <hungryhubby> i want to put some lines inside xorg file
[13:38] <Asurah> I have a problem with installing Ubuntu, tried to install it last night but it seems that something is wrong when booting it
[13:38] <dmsuperman> How can I configure metacity when I'm using unity-2d?
[13:38] <hungryhubby> can anybody tell me the location of xorg
[13:38] <Yamauchi> zhiqiang: I agree entirely
[13:38] <Asurah> it seems to be stuck somewhere between the BIOS and the OS boto
[13:38] <Asurah> boot*
[13:39] <bbbbbbbb> phlak_user: where in dmesg do i find it?
[13:39] <Stradivarius> Asurah: Did cou check the md5-checksum of your dvd?
[13:39] <phlak_user> hungryhubby: /etc/X11
[13:39] <zykotick9> hungryhubby, (you've already been told) --  a) /etc/X11/xorg.conf b) it's not there by defaults anymore
[13:39] <Asurah> Stradivarius - Uh, no, just created it with Windows 7 image burner
[13:39] <zhiqiang> ho
[13:39] <phlak_user> bbbbbbbb: if you check the lines following this -> 04fc:5602 Sunplus Technology Co., Ltd
[13:39] <rufong> hi ya'll system:win7/11.10b2, 64bit messed up /etc/grub.d how can i reinstall it?
[13:40] <zhiqiang> mygod
[13:40] <Stradivarius> Asurah you shoud definitely check it. probably sth went wrong with downloading/burning.
[13:40] <hungryhubby> yes i cannot find xorg in /etc/x11
[13:40] <hungryhubby> how do i generate it
[13:40] <Asurah> Stradivarius how do I do that?
[13:41] <zhiqiang> 我英文实在很烂  照顾以下。。
[13:41] <zhiqiang> 谢谢拉
[13:41] <hungryhubby> or is there any way to put some lines in xorg file
[13:41] <rufong> hi ya'll system:win7/11.10b2, 64bit messed up /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme how can i reinstall it?
[13:41] <Asurah> And I also tried it with a couple different versions of Ubuntu
[13:41] <Stradivarius> Asurah However, without an error-message nobody will able to help you when the sum is correct.
[13:41] <Asurah> the 32, 64 bit
[13:41] <zhiqiang> 32bit
[13:41] <bbbbbbbb> phlak_user: http://paste.ubuntu.com/707340/
[13:41] <Asurah> Stradivarius that's the thing, no error message
[13:42] <Asurah> seems to be booting fine, goes through BIOS ok, recognizes HDD, but just no boot
[13:42] <Stradivarius> Asurah look for the most convenient method on google. I'm not sure. You can find the correct checksum on the download-site
[13:42] <thiebaude> !alternate
[13:42] <phlak_user> bbbbbbbb: it appears to be sdb (but no partitions?) is this a new/fresh disk?
[13:42] <hungryhubby> !x.org
[13:43] <hungryhubby> !xorg.conf
[13:43] <bbbbbbbb> phlak_user: the last time i checked it was a camera's cf card with some pictures on it, so i doubt that. maybe it's broken, but my camera didn't complain
[13:44] <blastermaster> in the main page of ubuntu it says its out!
[13:44] <g[r]eek> How do I check which version of Ubuntu I'm running
[13:44] <lekundyao> am looking for router  configuration
[13:44] <dotty> need a http d/l? feel free to use my seed: http://109.169.40.236/ubuntu-11.10-desktop-i386.iso  (please reseed if you can and preferably use torrents instead, saving this seed for people who need http)
[13:44] <Asurah> Stradivarius - should I download something like FastSum?
[13:44] <phlak_user> bbbbbbbb: you can mount it manually like so ->(in your home directory) mkdir camdisk; mount /dev/sdb camdisk
[13:45] <HackNewton> hello
[13:45] <phlak_user> g[r]eek: lsb_release -a
[13:45] <dmsuperman> g[r]eek: lsb_release -a
[13:45] <dmsuperman> damnit hah
[13:45] <g[r]eek> what does lsb stand for?
[13:45] <g[r]eek> I struggle to remember that command
[13:45] <Junglenoo> hello
[13:45] <dmsuperman> g[r]eek: from the manpage: NAME
[13:45] <dmsuperman>        lsb_release - print distribution-specific information
[13:45] <Stradivarius> Asurah I'm not sure, but when it seems reliable to you, you should do so. I don't know windows-software for this purpose myself.
[13:45] <Guest18577> hello
[13:45] <g[r]eek> Ah I see "Linux Standard Base"
[13:46] <office1> why do we have to create bogus email info in order to use the calendar?
[13:46] <phlak_user> office1: do we?
[13:46] <HackNewton> from my last boot my updating is not working
[13:46] <HackNewton> any solution ?
[13:46] <g[r]eek> ok next question, I'm running Ubuntu 10.04, and Vim version 7.2 is currently installed. I want to install Vim 7.3, but when I try apt-get install vim it says it's already on the newest version. What can I do to get Vim 7.3? Thanks
[13:47] <dr_willis> HackNewton:  i imagine the servers are a bit overloaded with the new release.
[13:47] <Asurah> I also tried to use Wibu to install it with Windows, but I don't get any OS boot choice, just goes straight to Windows
[13:47] <bbbbbbbb> phlak_user: now the cursor flashes in the line below but nothing  happens.
[13:47] <phlak_user> g[r]eek: download it manually and install
[13:47] <phlak_user> bbbbbbbb: what did you type?
[13:47] <dr_willis> g[r]eek:  if 7.2 is the newest in the repos.. then thats the newest it will install..
[13:47] <bbbbbbbb> phlak_user: i also tried to open grarted, it won't open as long as the card is connected
[13:47] <dr_willis> g[r]eek:  there may be ppa's of newer versions , or you could use source.
[13:47] <BluesKaj> HackNewton, still no updates in the repos today
[13:48] <HackNewton> dr_willis, i doubt it its giving error source is untrusty
[13:48] <phlak_user> bbbbbbbb: can you paste output of sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb
[13:48] <g[r]eek> ok thanks
[13:48] <lekundyao> thanks they release 11.10
[13:48] <edgy> Hi, I booted oneiric kubuntu and I only have the splash, tty1 shows error like cannot mount /cdrom or similar message
[13:48] <dr_willis> HackNewton:  sounds like a key may have changed.
[13:48] <Guest18577> *
[13:48] <dr_willis> edgy:  you mean you are booting a live cd. you did check the md5 sum after downloading it?
[13:49] <edgy> dr_willis: I booted a live usb
[13:49] <dr_willis> edgy:  and you did check the md5sum of the iso file?
[13:49] <edgy> dr_willis: i downloaded with zsync so I ams ure it's correct
[13:49] <bbbbbbbb> phlak_user: http://paste.ubuntu.com/707344/
[13:50] <dr_willis> id double check. and i think theres some verify files option on the f6 menu of the installer.
[13:50] <rufong> hi ya'll system:win7/11.10b2, 64bit messed up /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme, now update-grub hangs.. how can i reinstall it?
[13:50] <dr_willis> edgy:  this is the desktop or server  version?
[13:50] <edgy> dr_willis: desktop
[13:50] <phlak_user> bbbbbbbb: aha! can you change that manual mount command to mount /dev/sdb1 camdisk
[13:50] <phlak_user> bbbbbbbb: its a 64MB disk ;)
[13:51] <bbbbbbbb> phlak_user: yeah, an ancient piece of technology ^
[13:51] <edgy> dr_willis: i think in ubuntu there is a way to pass kernel args like noacpi but it's not clear how to even do this in kubuntu
[13:51] <dr_willis> !nosplash | edgy
[13:51] <dr_willis> edgy:  same way - at the grub menus
[13:51] <dr_willis> or syslinux, or whatever its using. :)
[13:51] <dr_willis> Seems the bot is lagged.
[13:52] <edgy> dr_willis: druing installation there is no grub menu
[13:52] <bbbbbbbb> phlak_user: well, works fine now, great! thanks
[13:52] <phlak_user> bbbbbbbb: yw
[13:52] <dr_willis> edgy:  when it first boots up theres a man/keyboard logo.. hit space.. hit f5 or f6 i recall..
[13:53] <edgy> dr_willis: sorry I was confused, when I boot the usb, it shows options like start kubuntu, test memory, boot from drive, you mean before this  step?
[13:53] <dr_willis> edgy:  yes.
[13:54] <destinydriven> would this trick still work on 11.10? http://clouddenizen.com/2011/06/01/ubuntu-unity-launcher-for-aptana-studio/
[13:54] <ghasem> ythbrtbh
[13:55] <edgy> dr_willis: I will go try it in the other room and come back ...
[13:55] <ghasem> wht is the command register on IRC?
[13:55] <dr_willis> !nomodeset
[13:55] <subone> When I turn on my laptop with my external monitor plugged in the monitor turns off. I can usually get it back on if I log off and back on once or twice. How can I troubleshoot this issue?
[13:55] <dr_willis> !register | ghasem
[13:56] <dr_willis> subone:  whats the video chipset?
[13:56] <rxt0> Hi there, I'm trying to download ubuntu 11.10 via torrent but there aren't any seeders/peers!
[13:56] <dr_willis> rxt0:  give it some time. it just came out.
[13:56] <ViccieB> what is the md5sum for ubuntu-11.10-desktop-amd64.iso ?
[13:56] <subz3r0>  #ubuntu-release-party
[13:56] <phlak_user> rxt0: ive got like 175 seeders and 72 peers right now
[13:56] <dr_willis> !torrents
[13:56] <subz3r0> 11.10 is NOT OUT YET
[13:57] <ViccieB> it is!!!!
[13:57] <phlak_user> subz3r0: it is
[13:57] <Arnold> rxt0, have you also gave a mirror download a try?
[13:57] <phlak_user> subz3r0: look at the topic of this channel ;)
[13:57] <subz3r0> http://www.thisisthecountdown.com/
[13:57] <Arnold> ViccieB, 62fb5d750c30a27a26d01c5f3d8df459
[13:57] <rxt0> got seeders XP sorry
[13:57] <DJones> subz3r0: It is, it was offically announced at 14:15 uk time
[13:57] <dr_willis> subz3r0:  http://www.ubuntu.com/    '11.10 is here'
[13:57] <Reave-Magentium> :) Currnetly downloading at 1mb /ps :P
[13:57] <Reave-Magentium> Confirming it is indeed out :)
[13:58] <DaerethMagentium> Currently seeding torrent at 2.3MB/s
[13:58] <Reave-Magentium> Will seed the official torrrent all night for all your people who want it ^_^
[13:58] <Arnold> http://www.ubuntu.com/tour anyone? :P
[13:58]  * phlak_user is downloading at 60 KB/s (480 Kb/s)
[13:58] <rufong> hi ya'll system:win7/11.10b2, 64bit messed up /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme, now update-grub hangs.. how can i reinstall it? if i delete it, will the system regenerate it? hehe
[13:59] <deem> rufong: you can reconfigure grub-common or grub-pc depending on which version of grub you have installed
[14:00] <dr_willis> you could always reinstall grub package via apt-get , or find the grub deb and get the file from it.
[14:00] <rxt0> does Kubuntu ship with kwin's OpenGL ES backend?
[14:00] <stepnjump> somsip, I found it
[14:01] <Wiz_KeeD> hey guys how do i search a folder and it's subfolders for string "attrs="{'invisible'" with grep?
[14:01] <Arnold> rxt0, it does.
[14:01] <stepnjump> somsip, I will write a manual how to do it... I'll send it to you in a few days. Just keep your eyes on your memoserv
[14:01] <Arnold> Just install kde-window-manager-gles.
[14:02] <rxt0> sweet, thanks Arnold
[14:02] <Chotaz`Work> Hey everyone, how safe is it to upgrade my ubuntu 11.04 via SSH?
[14:02] <Arnold> You're welcome rxt0.
[14:02] <deem> rufong: pls dont qry me. we can talk here
[14:02] <edgy> dr_willis: you are right, f6 works though it should be mentioned somewhere! Anyway, I tried different options but still cannot boot, the error is exactly - umount: can't mount /cdrom
[14:02] <rufong> deem: understood
[14:02] <stepnjump> Gentlemen, is there a way to view the trash can using the command line
[14:03] <stepnjump> Couldn't be trash:/// ???
[14:03] <esteeven_> Hello. How can I disable services at start up e.g. bluetooth?
[14:03] <rufong> dr_willis: danke, i'll try that
[14:03] <Pici> !trash | stepnjump
[14:03] <Darael> Wiz_KeeD: grep -r "attrs=\"{'invisible'" /path/to/folder, perhaps?  At a guess.  You may need to escape a few more characters.
[14:04] <Wiz_KeeD> hmm
[14:04] <Wiz_KeeD> thanks
[14:04] <iuytfr> how to check the system ?
[14:04] <stepnjump> Thanks Pici
[14:04] <Pici> stepnjump: np
[14:04] <iuytfr> system time
[14:04] <arvut> hello =)
[14:04] <arvut> happy upgrading!!
[14:05] <Wiz_KeeD> hmm
[14:05] <Wiz_KeeD> Darael, can i make it verbose so it displays results as it finds stuff?
[14:05]  * arvut going to offtopic, got nothing to add yet..
[14:05] <Darael> Wiz_KeeD: My memory is that it prints each match as it finds it.
[14:05] <subone> dr_willis, lspci reports 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[14:05] <Wiz_KeeD> then it didn't find anything and it keeps searching
[14:05] <luckymurali> Hi, Unexpectedly I deleted the var/lib folder.Is there any way to restore it again?
[14:05] <luckymurali> please help me out
[14:07] <xlin3r> hi
[14:07] <SIFTU> luckymurali: deleted it how?
[14:08] <luckymurali> rm -rf *
[14:08] <Pessimist> Can I get some support?
[14:08] <Reave-Magentium> oh god... that command is hel on everything
[14:08] <Reave-Magentium> Pessimist whats up ?
[14:08] <MAREK_BENC_NetB> I know there is Wubi, but is there anykond of Lubi, so i can install windows to a image and boot it?
[14:08] <Pessimist> http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?50038-Updated-and-Optimized-Ubuntu-Free-Graphics-Drivers
[14:08] <Pessimist> can I apply these commands to install xorg video ati from ppa?
[14:08] <Pessimist> in 11.10
[14:08] <SIFTU> luckymurali: well then I dont like your chances
[14:08] <Wiz_KeeD> doens't work
[14:08] <datalay> i installed all tiff and geotiff packages on ubuntu, but  i cant see tiff support on cgi-mapserver, i check it with : mapserv -v
[14:08] <Wiz_KeeD> grep -r 'a'
[14:08] <datalay> i need INPUT=tiff geotiff support
[14:09] <datalay> i removed and re installed cgi-mapserver but result is not changed
[14:09] <luckymurali> I remember once there is chance to recover it on Ubuntu
[14:09] <Pessimist> P.S. The new login, unity design is nice
[14:10] <Pessimist> http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?50038-Updated-and-Optimized-Ubuntu-Free-Graphics-Drivers Can I apply these commands on Ubuntu 11.10 to install xorg radeon drivers from ppa?
[14:11] <ededdy> 7~Anyone upgraded to ubuntu 11.10 has an issues logging in ?
[14:11] <Pessimist> ededdy, I don't have any issues
[14:11] <Pessimist> what issue do you have?
[14:11] <popolon> ededdy, do you upgraded from 11.04 ?
[14:12] <ededdy> popolon: yes
[14:12] <bloodynight> i know it isnt related to ubuntu but is there any way to use compiz effects on xubuntu ?!
[14:12] <Pessimist> http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?50038-Updated-and-Optimized-Ubuntu-Free-Graphics-Drivers Can I apply these commands on Ubuntu 11.10 to install xorg radeon drivers from ppa?
[14:12] <Kre10s> hello. Is it possible to simulate the plymouth loading screen? or do I need to reboot to see it?
[14:15] <MonkeyDust> Kre10s: you can use qemu
[14:15] <City17> Hi, how much ram is recommended to get the most of Ubuntu 11.10 and Unity?
[14:15] <Guest22783> some thoughts about 11.10.....I am still on 10.10 i did Not try Unity....should i install it or wait?
[14:16] <SIFTU> luckymurali: personally I would reinstall.
[14:16] <Guest22783> why? :D
[14:16] <bhush> from where I can download ubuntu 11.10?????????????????
[14:16] <Darael> Guest22783: Why not use a liveCD to give it a try?  Safety of not moving, and the chance to test it.  Best of both worlds.
[14:16] <dotty> need http? feel free to use my seed: http://109.169.40.236/ubuntu-11.10-desktop-i386.iso  (please reseed if you can and preferably use torrents instead, saving this seed for people who need http) (please let me know what kind of speeds you're getting if you use this)
[14:16] <sonicated> I've upgraded to Oneiric but now my VM will not boot. It stalls after mounting the drives. If I follow the OMGBroken instructions, type "mount / -o rw,remount" and then exec init it will boot but will fail on the next boot. Can anyone advise me on how to resolve this please?
[14:17] <LjL> bhush: tried http://ubuntu.com/ ?
[14:17] <zmbmartin> is anyone having a problem with unity being behind windows when bringing the computer out of sleep? If I start my laptop from sleep unity and all things related like alt-tab are behind any windows I have open.
[14:17] <luckymurali> SIFTU, I feel can I cownload that dpkg.tar.gz file and restore it
[14:17] <Darael> bhush: specifically, http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download
[14:18] <ScottyEdmonds> im loving the improvments of Oneiric, but i can't add a menu item in menu editor :(
[14:18] <compdoc> you guys think its safe to upgrade 11.04 to 11.10? OR should it be a fresh install
[14:18] <SIFTU> luckymurali: it's your install, do what you want. are you restoring from backup
[14:18] <leuty> Hi, I got redirected from the #Kubuntu and #Ubuntu+1channel. I need help with todays update of Kubuntu 11.04->11.10. is this the right place?
[14:18] <ScottyEdmonds> fresh install will most likely work better ;)
[14:18] <MAREK_BENC_NetB> compdoc: It should be problemless
[14:19] <ghostnik11> where would the printer drivers be on ubuntu, b/c i installed the driver for a canon mp560 and will do a fresh install of ubuntu 11.10 so wanted to find out where are the drivers for it on my system so i can back it up to external
[14:19] <Darael> compdoc: The upgrade process is pretty safe, as a rule, but you might as well make a backup anyway, as you'd have to for a reinstall - just in case.  It's highly unlikely you'll have any major issues.
[14:19] <dotty> personally i recommend doing a fresh install if you can
[14:19] <compdoc> thanks
[14:19] <sonicated> compdoc: the upgrade has stopped my server from booting :(
[14:19] <luckymurali> SIFTU, I am not able to get the backup
[14:20] <luckymurali> thats y im struggling
[14:20] <webroasters> hi guys. you're all familiar with the notify bubble at the top right of the desktop, correct? Is there an app that will use that notify bubble when I receive new RSS feed links?
[14:20] <Darael> webroasters: Specto does that, iirc.
[14:20] <dotty> webroasters, i think 'liferea' does
[14:20] <webroasters> ok. thanks.
[14:20] <SIFTU> luckymurali: reinstall, those files are installed via the package manager, you wont know what versions you have etc
[14:20] <dotty> liferea puts a notification in unity too
[14:20] <dotty> a little circle with the number of new stories
[14:21] <Darael> webroasters: Specto is nice if you don't want to change your feed reader, especially since it can watch all sorts of things, not just RSS feeds.
[14:21] <ghostnik11> can anyone tell me where the tomboy notes files are? i want to back them up too
[14:21] <webroasters> yeah, im looking at specto right now, it looks exactly like what I wanted
[14:21] <Pessimist> Yeah, the drivers work. How to open a new server tab in XChat?
[14:21] <Darael> webroasters: OTOH, liferea will give more detailed and potentially useful information.
[14:21] <webroasters> i do so much stuff that i need something like that to manage everything
[14:21] <ljsoftnet> is it ok to upgrade xubuntu 11.04 to 11.10
[14:21] <tarelerulz> I have Ubuntu 10.10 and windows 7 and I store movies on  the window's ntfs partition and the files have been missing up . Like showing 0 kb .   Has anyone else had this problem
[14:22] <webroasters> dareal, I was looking for something more like specto because I have other issues as well that I need to take care of., but I appreciate the info for liferea, I'll check it out
[14:22] <webroasters> thanks guys, you've been a big help
[14:22] <Darael> webroasters: Happy to help.  Also, a hint for IRC - one can complete a partially-typed nick with the tab key.  Saves typing :P
[14:23] <Pessimist> Need to get used to the Unity :/
[14:24] <Promethes> hi everyone, does Ubuntu 11.10 allow to install gnome-shell without dependency problems?
[14:24] <szal> tarelerulz: check the filesystem from within Windows
[14:24] <Pessimist> 20% cpu on 360p video on youtube
[14:24] <Pessimist> lol
[14:25] <Darael> Promethes: My understanding is yes... but you might want to wait for someone who's actually tried it to report back!
[14:25] <tarelerulz> szal ,  I did windows checks the file system and look for mess up and  it checked everything and then It said it removed my file.
[14:26] <pangolin> !notunity | Promethes
[14:26] <auronandace> Promethes: it should just be a matter of changing your session when you log in (unity is built on top of gnome3 in 11.10)
[14:26] <Promethes> Darael: i tried with 11.10 beta 2 and daily builds couple of days ago and there was no way to install gnome-shell, many dependencies were unsolvable
[14:26] <zmbmartin> Do I use FGLRX graphics driver or FGLRX graphics driver (post-release updates)?
[14:27] <Darael> Promethes: I would be surprised if that's not been resolved before release.
[14:27] <ghostnik11> can a person backup ppa's in ubuntu?
[14:27] <edbian> zmbmartin: try 'em both and see which works better
[14:27] <trojaner> whats a pps?
[14:27]  * joelio is downgrading from 11.10 to 11.04 - what a complete waste of time
[14:27] <trojaner> ppa?
[14:27] <codebeaker> why is /etc/security/limits.conf ignored on Ubuntu 10.4 ?
[14:27] <Promethes> downloading 11.10 now, i will install it in virtual box and try
[14:27] <Darael> !ppa | trojaner
[14:27] <arghx> ghostnik11: every package you download is saved in /var/cache/apt/archives/ unless you clean that directory
[14:28] <trojaner> ppa = trojan
[14:28] <arghx> joelio: you cannot downgrade :P
[14:28] <arghx> trojaner: no
[14:28] <joelio> arghx: Pin packages, I think I can
[14:28]  * amoskong upgrading to 11.10 ...
[14:28] <Darael> trojaner: Not necessarily, no.  In theory, possibly, but in practice, pretty much no.
[14:28] <trojaner> PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk.
[14:28] <ghostnik11> arghx: thanks will check there, trojaner: what ppa = trojan even though i was the one who put them on my self
[14:28] <arghx> joelio: no you cannot. and if you do, no one sane will ever support that installation again cause it will break in new and mysterious ways
[14:29] <toman> hi, where can i find this menu on ubuntu 11.10 ? http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSLLsCqiwjYgXOKkiWNUkajNf0GZ1JumFl1IyssYLd8IUVMqkfuyQzr-43c
[14:29] <Pessimist> Are opensource drivers better than propertiary ones for evergreen cards on 11.10?
[14:29] <joelio> arghx: As opposed to upgrading to 11.10 an all manner of crap gnome3/unity balls breaking in even more unknown ways!
[14:29] <Darael> trojaner: That doesn't make them trojans.  It means that potentially, a malicious user could put a trojan in a PPA.  This is why we use PPAs from entities of good repute.
[14:29] <linziyan> i  want  help
[14:29] <Darael> joelio: As they say, All Software Sucks.
[14:29] <Pessimist> does compiz work normally with binary ati drivers on 11.10? :) Please answer
[14:29] <Darael> !help | linziyan
[14:29] <arghx> Pessimist: they are slower. they are getting better over time but not as fast as fglrx. opensource ones are better adapter (especially over time) to X tho
[14:29] <arghx> Pessimist: yes they do
[14:30] <NoelJB> akgraner, did you get a chance to test that problem?
[14:30] <linziyan> thanks。。。
[14:30] <Pessimist> does firefox scrolling lag a lot on the binary drivers like old times?
[14:30] <Pessimist> that is the most annoying thing on fglrx drivers..
[14:30] <linziyan> i  need  help   some  who has time to  help with  my  nvidia  driver   ,  thanks
[14:30] <joelio> Darael: Yea, true.. I'm really understanding the meaning of if it ain't broke, don't fix it after the mess of 11.10
[14:30] <arghx> joelio: upgrading ubuntu immediately when it comes out is foolish. wait 2-4 weeks and then upgrade and most/all growing pains are over. but if you have SNS, then I guess you like to suffer
[14:31] <akgraner> NoelJB, not yet - gotta finish something..
[14:31] <popolon> bye
[14:31] <linziyan> the NVIDIA kernel module has version 280.13,but this NVIDIA driver component has version 285.05.09.
[14:31] <Pessimist> arghx, no pain no gain
[14:31] <Pessimist> :)
[14:31] <joelio> arghx: Why, will gnome2 be in 11.10 in a few weeks?
[14:31] <tarelerulz> I have nvidia myself  and  I install the latest ,but never really see a different in how things work
[14:31] <toman> hi, where can i find this menu on ubuntu 11.10 ? http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSLLsCqiwjYgXOKkiWNUkajNf0GZ1JumFl1IyssYLd8IUVMqkfuyQzr-43c ? I really need to change the movement button and i cant find where :D
[14:31] <arghx> joelio: no it does not. but if you expected gnome2 in 11.10 you are (sorry) a moron. it was ALWAYS made very clear that gnome2 never would be in 11.10 and onwards
[14:31] <auronandace> joelio: gnome2 is no longer supported in 11.10
[14:32] <linziyan> who  can  tell me  how to do with  this  problem?
[14:32] <linziyan> i  can not start my  hon ,it  show  this
[14:32] <linziyan> this
[14:32] <arghx> you need to check before you upgrade to what you upgrade. if you don't, don't complain about the results
[14:32] <NoelJB> joelio, no, TPB decided to remove support for the only fully functional Gnome UI.
[14:32] <ghostnik11> one quick question i have fedora 15 installed on my hard drive, will ubuntu 11.10 wipe out that partition when i do a fresh install
[14:32] <mikeru> heey where's the amd64+mac iso? :S
[14:32] <toman> linziyan, what's the problem with hon ?
[14:32] <Darael> NoelJB: Upstream dropped it.
[14:33] <toman> im on 11.10 and it works fine
[14:33] <NoelJB> Forcing everyone to use Unity is supposed to help it improve quality by generating discourse.
[14:33] <joelio> arghx: Yea, going to stick with Debian I reckon. 'Classic' gnome3 is a bag of balls.. having to install tweak tools, just to change my font size.. give me a break :)
[14:33] <arghx> ghostnik11: no. you can install both side by side
[14:33] <auronandace> ghostnik11: no, learn how to partition
[14:33] <arvut> ghostnik11: should be able to install side by side with no issues
[14:33] <andyn> if i install 10.11, can i get rid of unity and use plain gnome3 instead?
[14:33] <Pessimist> Am I dumb that there is no refresh rate settings on screen settings dialog? Lol
[14:33] <andyn> 11.10 that is.
[14:33] <NoelJB> Darael, I didn't say that Canonical made the decision.
[14:33] <Pessimist>  there is no refresh rate setting on screen settings dialog?
[14:33] <ghostnik11> arghx: okay b/c i have it chain booted to 11.04 ubuntu on my hard drive
[14:33] <Darael> NoelJB: True enough.
[14:33] <arghx> joelio: debian will ship with gnome3 in wheezy too. tho wheezy is 1-2 years off of course... gnome2 will go away just like kde3 did. no way around that, sorry
[14:33] <NoelJB> Darael, Canonical made the relatively wise decision to develop Unity rather than use that steaming pile of Gnome Shell.
[14:33] <joelio> arghx: Then it's on to flux or xfce or something sane then
[14:33] <arghx> Pessimist: which driver do you use?
[14:34] <joelio> .. until then
[14:34] <Pessimist> arghx, newest xorg ati from ppa
[14:34] <jamey-uk> where can I go to talk about libvirt and virtualization?
[14:34] <arghx> Pessimist: radeon or fglrx?
[14:34] <Pessimist> radeon
[14:34] <arghx> Pessimist: try xrandr maybe?
[14:34] <ghostnik11> just in case i will back up stuff i need in my fedora 15 partition just  to cover my self
[14:34] <Pessimist> I will try, It is just bizarre
[14:34] <arvut> so no pure gnome3 in ocelot? what a disappointment =(
[14:34] <auronandace> Pessimist: we don't provide support for ppa's here
[14:35] <ghostnik11> thanks guys can't wait to install ubuntu 11.10
[14:35] <NoelJB> arvut, there is Gnome Shell for 11.10, if you're so inclined as to suffer with it.
[14:35] <auronandace> arvut: what do you mean? you should be able to change the session at login
[14:35] <arvut> but I'll try it anyway, liked ubuntu since first try, back in 8.04
[14:35] <NoelJB> I figure that the choices are either  Unity or KDE.
[14:35] <joelio> arghx: ...  plus don't you think they'll be a fork of gnome2 for long term support. I mean I don't need any more bells and whistles. Compiz is enough for that. I think judging by the fact that I've not found 1 person who like either gnome3 or unity yet also adds weight to this.
[14:36] <arvut> still.. there is something magical about lucid.. prrrrr those catz.. =)
[14:36] <NoelJB> joelio, I heard that there is a fork called mate.
[14:36] <arghx> joelio: no there won't be. especially not for "Long term support". gnome2 is a dead codebasse, deal with it
[14:36] <pis0ga> i'm upgrading, hope it fine :D
[14:36] <arghx> NoelJB: there was a kde3 fork too. but these are all rearguard actions
[14:36] <andeeeuk> 11.10 is no i the update manager :)
[14:36] <NoelJB> mate: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTgxMA
[14:36] <joelio> arghx: only time will tell I guess ;)
[14:37] <tacitcal> just switch to xfce, it's the new gnome2.
[14:37] <arvut> slightly confused, are you refeering to gnome 2.28-2.32 when you say gnome2? or just some old version of v2?
[14:37] <edbian> tacitcal: for sure :)
[14:38] <ScottyEdmonds> Main Menu won't let me add a new item :(
[14:38] <melter> has anyone had problems with X crashing after entering the root password?
[14:38] <renancoelho> Hi there, where can i get help with ubuntu hulu?
[14:38] <joelio> tacitcal: Yea, I really liked it when I used it about 7-8 years ago.. but I prefer compiz window handling tools and customisations
[14:38] <sonicated> I've upgraded to Oneiric but now my VM will not boot. It stalls after mounting the drives. If I follow the OMGBroken instructions, type "mount / -o rw,remount" and then exec init it will boot but will fail on the next boot. Can anyone advise me on how to resolve this please?
[14:38] <NoelJB> arghx, yes, I agree.  Either Unity has to get better, or more people will switch to KDE.
[14:38] <MeanEYE> Can I use unetbootin to create bootable Ubuntu USB, and then install from it?
[14:39] <MeanEYE> Sorry, use unetbootin from windows.
[14:39] <MAREK_BENC_NetB> MeanEYE: Yep
[14:39] <MeanEYE> Okay, thanks.
[14:39] <Darael> KDE is not significantly better than Gnome, whether using Shell or Unity.  But I would say that.  I'm an e fan.
[14:39] <NoelJB> sonicated, you might need to provide more info.  For example, I use many virtual machines with VMware Workstation, and as of V8, there are no issues with Oneiric.
[14:39] <MAREK_BENC_NetB> MeanEYE: And you can also install a bootloader on a USB stick (Grub or LiLo), unpack the iso, and do some black magic
[14:40] <sonicated> NoelJB: It's a bytemark.co.uk vm, I've never had a problem with an upgrade before
[14:40] <MeanEYE> MAREK_BENC_NetB: I have Mint 11, and I can easily make bootable USB. Am asking for another person who uses windows and want's to try Unity first hand. :D
[14:40] <Darael> MAREK_BENC_NetB: It's hardly black magic.  /Deep/ magic, possibly.
[14:40] <MonkeyDust> from now on 11.10 support here?
[14:41] <sonicated> MonkeyDust: According to the guys in #ubuntu+1, yes
[14:41] <Darael> MonkeyDust: Indeed.  All stable releases (that haven't hit EOL) are supported in here, so now that Oneiric's been released, this is the channel.
[14:41] <MonkeyDust> ok, issue 1: in 11.10, unity, i am unable to see chromium-browser in the menu
[14:42] <airtonix> :< I am unable to install padevchooser
[14:42] <BadLarry> how is the upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10 going? has it been smooth?
[14:42] <MonkeyDust> i can launch chromium-browser manually
[14:42] <airtonix> MonkeyDust: apart from : alt+f2, type: chromium-browser ?
[14:43] <NoelJB> MonkeyDust, you first have to go to the dock and run it, then you can ask for it to be pinned to the menu.l
[14:43] <MonkeyDust> airtonix: chromium won't launch, i tried it
[14:43] <airtonix> MonkeyDust: or Super Key : chrom <vis chrome in list, hit enter >
[14:43] <joelio> BadLarry: Personally, for me, it's been a nightmare. I'm downgrading / reinstalling on 11.04
[14:43] <joelio> ymmv!
[14:43] <NoelJB> MonkeyDust, WFM.  I've got FF, Chromium and Chrome all running.
[14:43] <MonkeyDust> airtonix: chromium is not in the list, really strange
[14:43] <Polah> joelio: How so?
[14:44] <BadLarry> joelio: really?! good to know. What machine are you running on? I am on a thinkpad T520.
[14:44] <airtonix> MonkeyDust: i did install chrome and chromium from dev channel ppas and deb
[14:44] <NoelJB> MonkeyDust, click on the Ubuntu symbol, type "ch" in the search dialog, and you should find it.
[14:44] <BluesKaj> MonkeyDust, try chromium-browser
[14:44] <NoelJB> BadLarry, I'm running on a T61p.
[14:45] <BadLarry> NoelJB: do you have intel graphics or nvidia or ati?
[14:45] <joelio> BadLarry: Polah: Issues with network stack initially, DBUS errors all over the place. Forget about getting any sane gnome / compiz setup. If you're happy running unity or gnome3 shell go for it
[14:45] <Chotaz`Work> Is is viable to upgrade my machine over SSH?
[14:45] <andyn> heck, i've installed suse with dd over netcat
[14:45] <MonkeyDust> BluesKaj: tried, no succes
[14:45] <Darael> Chotaz`Work: That is, in fact, the main way people upgrade servers.  Go for it.  The command in question is "sudo do-release-upgrade".
[14:46] <MonkeyDust> ok, maybe i'm talking nonsense, moment
[14:46] <BadLarry> joelio: I really appreciate the heads up. I am going to put it off for the time being it looks like.
[14:46] <leuty> Hi, I encountered a bug during the upgrade process of Kubuntu 11.04 -> 11.10. Could somebody with more skills than me look into the logs and tell me if it is just my stupidity or something else? http://paste.ubuntu.com/707363/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/707361/ Thank you.
[14:46] <Darael> Chotaz`Work: I appreciate this may not be a server, but it should work for a desktop machine too.
[14:46] <joelio> BadLarry: Polah: I mistakenly thought gnome-classic would give me the required environment, but that is seriously a flawed perception. I'm not saying it won't be right for you, just for me it's a pain
[14:46] <Polah> joelio: What does it give you?
[14:46] <BadLarry> Any word on the compatibility with Sandy Bridge on 11.10? I know 11.04 was supposed to be, but it never really felt right
[14:47] <NoelJB> BadLarry, nvidia of course.
[14:47] <MeanEYE> Anyone happen to have md5 hash for amd64 desktop iso?
[14:47] <Pessimist> what cpus are considered amd64?
[14:48] <MeanEYE> Pessimist: Both AMD and Intel
[14:48] <joelio> Polah: An awful mess of a desktop.. gnome panel was workign, after a reboot it's broken. Compiz doesn't autoload.. I can't find the place for startup applications, all of the settings seem to have disappeared. You can't change font sizes unless you install a tweak tool with a load of deps etc..etc..etc.....
[14:48] <edbian> Pessimist: any 64 bit processor is technically 'amd64'  amd standardized it so they get the name
[14:48] <SIFTU> Pessimist: intel and amd 64 bit cpus
[14:48] <Polah> !md5sum | MeanEYE
[14:48] <Chotaz`Work> Darael: In fact it's not a server it's my home comp :)
[14:48] <Polah> MeanEYE: There's a list on one of those pages
[14:48] <MeanEYE> Okay I'll check
[14:48] <Darael> Chotaz`Work: Should work anyway :)
[14:48] <Polah> Chotaz`Work, still works the same way
[14:48] <edbian> joelio: This is ubuntu support.  Please keep it on topic
[14:48] <Pessimist> how to check if your cpu is compatible with amd64 variant?
[14:48] <Polah> Pessimist: Anything that supports 64-bit processing, which is the majority of modern processors
[14:49] <intok> So whats the state of the i845 GPU driver in 11.10??
[14:49] <Polah> Pessimist: Look up your processor online, or cat /proc/cpuinfo may show you
[14:49] <NoelJB> edbian, how is ranting about the usability of the new mandated UI not on-topic?
[14:49] <joelio> edbian: I think you find it was?
[14:49] <Polah> NoelJB: Because it's not a support topic and you're free to use whatever environment you want to.
[14:49] <Darael> Pessimist: grep lm /proc/cpuinfo
[14:49] <sonicated> Woohoo! I fixed the booting issue. My fstab was reading "UUID=<foo> / ext3 defaults,noatime 1 1" but I changed it to "UUID=<foo> / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro,noatime 0 1" and it booted. It's strange why the upgrade would cause that..
[14:50] <edbian> Pessimist: Are you on windows?
[14:50] <Darael> Pessimist: If it returns anything, it's 64-bit compatible.
[14:50] <Pessimist> Would linux be faster if I use amd64 release instead of i368 ? My cpu is compatible according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/32bit_and_64bit
[14:50] <nemo> Hm. If I upgrade to 11.10 I lose gnome 2 right?
[14:50] <Darael> edbian: If on Windows, CPU-Z is the tool I've heard best of.
[14:50] <NoelJB> Polah, no, not really.  Unless people want to leave ubuntu, the choices are KDE, Gnome Shell or Unity, but not the one that everyone wants to use: Gnome Classic.
[14:50] <edbian> Darael: I was just going to look at properties of computer
[14:50] <Darael> edbian: Apologies, should have directed that at Pessimist.
[14:50] <NoelJB> Polah, So if people are being forced to upgrade, one should expect LOTS of feedback on the nature of the "upgrade"
[14:50] <Darael> Pessimist: Depends what th'art doing.
[14:50] <Vide> Hey, I have been using Ubuntu 11.10 a while now (Wubi). Today I had multiple programs open and Ubuntu freezed. I rebooted by switching the power off and when I rebooted to Ubuntu, the grub menu didn't came up. Instead grup prompt came up. How to get the menu working again?
[14:50] <edbian> Pessimist: It is technically faster but the real reason anybody uses 64 bit is to use more than 3.2Gb of ram
[14:51] <Polah> NoelJB: Or gnome-panel on GNOME3. Or Xfce, or LXDE, or Enlightenment or anything else.
[14:51] <Pessimist> edbian, if I don't have that much ram it doesn't matter?
[14:51] <edbian> Pessimist: Not really now
[14:51] <edbian> no*
[14:51] <Darael> Pessimist: It's going to have most effect on things like video editing, photo editing, stuff like that.  For everyday computing, it won't make much difference.
[14:51] <MeanEYE> Polah: Are you sure releases 11.10 is up to date? I have a different md5sum than specified there... but I got ISO from web site through torrent.
[14:51] <NoelJB> Polah, Ubuntu does not do that for normal users.
[14:51] <joelio> Polah: What ships as the default though.. If you've been used to gnome2 and gnome2 goes.. well, what do you expect users to start talking about/
[14:51] <Polah> MeanEYE: Yes, 11.10 is the latest release, release today.
[14:52] <NoelJB> joelio, you'll just have to open bug reports for usablity issues and hope that people chime in.
[14:52] <Polah> joelio: At which point we then tell them to switch to something else and stop complaining, as I am doing now.
[14:52] <MeanEYE> Polah: I know that it was released, but md5sum is not the same... Gah.
[14:52] <studentz> After upgrade nvidia driver to version 285  using synaptic, I couldn't get to gdm. I booted  in a secure mode and got a terminal. I purged nvidia current and installed again. But the installation got stuck in update-initramfs.  Please Help me
[14:52] <NoelJB> Polah, never.  That is an assinine way of dealing with customer complaints.
[14:52] <edbian> joelio: What do you think the default should be?
[14:52] <Polah> NoelJB: There's Xubuntu, Kubuntu and Lubuntu with Xfce, KDE and LXDE by default available, as well as a number of unofficial variants for other default environments. Don't complain here and use another environment.
[14:52] <compdoc> Kate Stewart sent me a personal email to let me know they released 11.10. I love that girl
[14:52] <subone> When I turn on my laptop with my external monitor plugged in the monitor turns off. I can usually get it back on if I log off and back on once or twice. How can I troubleshoot this issue?
[14:52] <NoelJB> Polah, you suck it up, take the lumps on the chin, and make changes in response to feedback.
[14:53] <Polah> NoelJB: No, that's the way of telling you that it's offtopic for this channel.
[14:53] <edbian> Polah: I knew it
[14:53] <Polah> NoelJB: Complain to Canonical then, nobody here is in charge of which environment comes by default.
[14:53] <Polah> MeanEYE: That means your ISO is incomplete or corrupt.
[14:53] <Polah> edbian: Hmm?
[14:53] <Pessimist> which is the last version of ubuntu that didn't have unity by default?
[14:54] <Vide> Also I thought that root.disk may be missing but it's not
[14:54] <edbian> Polah: I said it was off topic earlier and they both disagreed
[14:54] <DangerOnTheRangr> Pessimist: 10.10 I believe
[14:54] <edbian> Pessimist: 9.10
[14:54] <MeanEYE> Polah: which means everyone else who downloaded using torrents has the wrong ISO since torrent has checksums as well. :/
[14:54] <edbian> Pessimist: DangerOnTheRangr 10.10 he's right
[14:54] <jonte> Distribution upgrade from 11.04 -> 11.10 fails, how can I debug it?
[14:54] <grifo74> hello i´m star my download ubuntu 11.10 now, anybodytry this version, it´s good?????????
[14:54] <angel_> msg nickserv identify 25122
[14:54] <Pici> angel_: Please change your password.
[14:54] <Pessimist> lol
[14:54] <Polah> edbian: Of course it's offtopic. It's not a support topic unless they're asking for help with something or discussing a solution to something or the like
[14:54] <compdoc> Pessimist, with 11.04, you can select the gnome desktop. I dont think 11.10 allows
[14:55] <NoelJB> Pessimist, Lucid.  Natty was easy to switch, though.
[14:55] <DangerOnTheRangr> grifo74: Barely anyone *has* tried it - it just came out a few hours ago :)
[14:55] <joelio> edbian: I think that is perfectly clear :) I'll leave it at that
[14:55] <Polah> MeanEYE: Unofficial torrent? Could've had the original seed with a bad ISO, or the one on the wiki page could be wrong; ask someone else to pass you theirs quickly if you like.
[14:55] <nemo> hm. Ask Me Later button doesn't seem to respond
[14:55]  * nemo tries Decline
[14:55] <nemo> ah. that works
[14:55] <Darael> compdoc: 11.10 allows choosing the gnome desktop, AIUI, but not gnome2, since it's no longer supported.
[14:56] <MeanEYE> Polah: I downloaded torrent file from alternative downloads page. Weird. I'll check again.
[14:56] <nemo> BTW, as much as my mom, and my father in law, and my mom's boyfriend, and a handful of others I chat w/ disliked very much giving up our familiar desktop metaphor, one person was a fan
[14:56] <nemo> my SO said she likes Unity, that it reminds her of her Android tablet
[14:56] <Pessimist> Is it possible for example to install firefox 7 on Ubuntu 10.04?
[14:56] <grifo74> i hope it´s good like the other versions. i hope now the uniti 2d wor fine on pc my computor is strong but i dont like efects
[14:56] <Pessimist> from official repos
[14:57] <Polah> MeanEYE: Hmm, try a direct download instead perhaps.
[14:57] <edbian> Pessimist: yes, and it's installed by default?
[14:57] <nemo> given she's normally not a fan of much change, and I had to make gnome2 look like windows xp, I was rather surprised by that
[14:57] <studentz> After upgrade nvidia driver to version 285  using synaptic, I couldn't get to gdm. I booted  in a secure mode and got a terminal. I purged nvidia current and installed again. But the installation got stuck in update-initramfs.  Please Help me
[14:57] <MeanEYE> Polah: Yeah, I'll do that. Thanks.
[14:57] <Polah> edbian: Firefox 3 is default on 10.04 I thought
[14:57] <NiKORaSU> What in a program would break linux interoperability?  When would I expect the executable for, like, slackware, to be different than the one for ubuntu?
[14:57] <nemo> Polah: yeah, but there's the mozilla stable ppa
[14:57] <edbian> Polah: I read wrong
[14:57] <edbian> Pessimist: It's not in the official repos but there is a PPA
[14:57] <Shatters> hey, I know everyone talks about the dangers of login as root, but is the 'Run as Root' option of Bleachbit safe?
[14:57] <Polah> nemo: Mhm, but he said official repos (:
[14:57] <edbian> Pessimist: I thought you said 11.10 :P
[14:57] <nemo> NiKORaSU: missing library versions? 32 vs 64 bit...
[14:57] <Shatters> in you guys' experience
[14:58] <compdoc> upgrading a test system from 11.04 to 11.10 - only 23 hours left to go
[14:58] <NiKORaSU> nemo: Are certain libraries dependent on the distribution?
[14:58] <Polah> Shatters: It allows Bleachbit to clear out your apt package cache and other files it would need root access to remove.
[14:58] <nemo> NiKORaSU: versions of them, sure
[14:58] <NiKORaSU> ooh
[14:58] <edbian> Shatters: I wouldn't trust it to run as root
[14:58] <Pessimist> Thanks for the help, will install 10.04.  ;)
[14:58] <NiKORaSU> nemo: Thank you!
[14:58] <nemo> NiKORaSU: no different than building an app to work on ubuntu 10.04 vs 11.10
[14:58] <nemo> hm
[14:58] <nemo> oh well. so. just to confirm. ubuntu 11.10 - no gnome 2?
[14:59] <Darael> nemo: Correct.
[14:59] <nemo> m'k. thanks.
[14:59] <edbian> nemo: that's right
[14:59] <Vide> Hey, I have been using Ubuntu 11.10 a while now (Wubi). Today I had multiple programs open and Ubuntu freezed. I rebooted by switching the power off and when I rebooted to Ubuntu, the grub menu didn't came up. Instead grup> prompt came up. How to get the menu working again?
[14:59] <Darael> nemo: Upstream dropped it, and Ubuntu frankly doesn't have the resources to maintain a fork.
[14:59] <nemo> given my mom's extreme reaction to unity, I guess I'd better get xfce4 on her machine now, and warn her about upgrading
[14:59] <nemo> Darael: I'd heard. gnome shell confused her too
[14:59] <Shatters> yeah, I would like it to clear the package cache, but I'm nervous about it running as root anywhere else.. don't want to corrupt my system
[14:59] <NoelJB> nemo, try KDE
[14:59] <nemo> Darael: I just wasn't sure if it was being dropped in 11.10, and all of a sudden I got a notice
[14:59] <sebsebseb> !classic | nemo
[14:59] <nemo> NoelJB: eh. kinda heavy, and all her apps are gtk
[14:59] <Rinsmaster> How could I get a list of all recently installed packages (ordered by date, descending)?
[14:59] <Polah> Shatters: Run sudo apt-get clean then
[14:59] <Darael> nemo: Ah.  Yeah, 'fraid so.
[15:00] <edbian> Shatters: sudo aptitude autoclean
[15:00] <sebsebseb> nemo: wrong factoid hmm
[15:00] <nemo> sebsebseb: um. that doesn't work in 11.10 right?
[15:00] <nemo> lol
[15:00] <Darael> sebsebseb: Looks like the bot's a touch out of date.
[15:00] <Polah> Shatters: That'll clear your package cache without the rest of the stuff that bleachbit does
[15:00]  * Plugh wonders if someone will make a gubuntu (with gnome) kind of like kubuntu (with KDE)
[15:00] <sebsebseb> !nounity | nemo
[15:00] <NoelJB> nemo, you can do apps either way.  I run kdenlive, for example, since it is the best linux video editor.
[15:00] <edbian> nemo: that's right
[15:00] <Shatters> ah great, thanks.
[15:00] <nemo> NoelJB: yeah, but "feel" suffers
[15:00] <NoelJB> nemo, the choice of KDE vs Unity doesn't actually impact choice of apps.
[15:00] <Polah> NoelJB: Careful with what you describe as "best", please.
[15:00] <sebsebseb> nemo: there's a Gnome 3 fall back mode in the repo,  like Gnome 2, but not quite enough for a lot of us really
[15:00] <NoelJB> Polah, you know of a better one?
[15:01] <nemo> NoelJB: not to mention they can't even agree on stuff like message handling
[15:01] <sebsebseb> nemo: woth a try though
[15:01] <nemo> sebsebseb: yeah, I don't think she'd like gnome 3 either
[15:01] <Polah> NoelJB: Not particularly, never used any video editing software on Ubuntu, but "best software for x" is a matter of opinion.
[15:01] <nemo> sebsebseb: she basically wants computers that look like what she's used to.
[15:01] <sebsebseb> nemo: this one is quite like Gnome 2 though, but not quite in some ways
[15:01] <nemo> sebsebseb: I've managed at home to make xfce4 look a lot like gnome2
[15:01] <nemo> I'm hopeful that'll do the trick for her
[15:01] <subone> When I turn on my laptop with my external monitor plugged in the monitor turns off. I can usually get it back on if I log off and back on once or twice. How can I troubleshoot this issue?
[15:01] <Plugh> sebsebseb: What I heard of Gnome 3 back not long after 11.04 came out was that it was a bit like Unity in look/feel.
[15:02] <NoelJB> Polah, almost every qualitative statement is an opinion.
[15:02] <edbian> Plugh: It would agree with that.
[15:02] <sebsebseb> Plugh: Gnome Shell is quite good really :)
[15:02] <Polah> nemo: There's gnome-panel instead of gnome-shell which I believe gives a more similar look to gnome2
[15:02] <Polah> Plugh: Well, Unity is a shell for GNOME
[15:02] <nemo> Polah: oh. hm.
[15:02] <nemo> worth a look
[15:02] <Polah> !info gnome-panel | nemo
[15:03] <nemo> Polah: I think basically if she could retain a few of her applets, and the applications menu, she'd be fine
[15:03] <rahul> how to upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10
[15:04] <rahul> Please help
[15:04] <Pessimist> Run Update manager, then you will see a button to upgrade
[15:04] <kel39> ubuntu -> update manager
[15:04] <BluesKaj> rahul, sudo do-release-upgrade
[15:04] <Polah> nemo: Apparently it's a fallback when Mutter doesn't load, so it may already be installed. It can apparnetly be used by default, but I don't know how to do that just now.
[15:05] <mneptok> nemo: i'm a long time GNOME user, and have switched to XFCE. it's relatively painless.
[15:05] <Dreaman> rahul  http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/upgrade
[15:05] <Plugh> I find it interesting to see 11.04 now marked as LTS since I'm sure it wasn't marked that way when it first came out.
[15:05] <Atamisk> mneptok: +!. xfce isn't a drop-in for gnome 2, but it's bloody well close
[15:05] <compdoc> Plugh, its not LTS
[15:05] <Pessimist> It isn't LTS
[15:05] <edbian> Plugh: Where do you see that?  It's not LTS.  Did it become LTS?
[15:05] <Dreaman> 12.04 is lts
[15:05] <rahul> Pessimist: BluesKaj Dreaman Thanks mate. :-)
[15:05] <kel39> how can i find out the version installed on my server
[15:06] <Plugh> Oh, sorry, right. Its 10.04 that is LTS.
[15:06] <Atamisk> is the prealpa out for 12.04? :P
[15:06] <mneptok> kel39: lsb_release -a
[15:06] <kel39> thanks mneptok
[15:06] <edbian> Plugh: that's right
[15:06] <rahul> And is there any different between upgrading from 11.04 to 11.10 & making a fresh installation of 11.10
[15:06] <Polah> kel39: lsb_release -r
[15:07] <Polah> rahul: Some, hopefully most, of your current settings will carry over on an upgrade.
[15:07] <Plugh> rahul: It allows you to start clean without some of the things you may have installed since you installed 11.04 and have since found you don't need.
[15:07] <kel39> Polah: -a was even nicer, it gave me a codename :P
[15:07] <Pessimist> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Ucp-photo.jpg need to get this :P
[15:07] <Darael> rahul: As thou canst see, there are arguments for each, but in the end either should be fine.
[15:07] <Polah> kel39: Woe be to he who knows not his own server release codename (;
[15:08] <nemo> mneptok: I think it'll probably be ok w/ a bit of configuration.  I noticed it hadn't enabled subpixel hinting by default, and I just rearranged the panels so it looked more like what she was used to
[15:08] <nemo> mneptok: but, yeah, it has pretty much everything
[15:08] <kel39> Polah: it was installed a good 4 years ago
[15:08] <nemo> mneptok: also seems a lot snappier
[15:08] <kel39> i barely maintain it
[15:08] <Companion> mneptok, command not found :P
[15:08] <kel39> might update it to 10.04, that's all
[15:08] <Polah> kel39: Certainly time to upgrade in that case
[15:09] <Plugh> Polah, I remember version numbers, not code names.
[15:09] <mneptok> Companion: lsb_release was not found? try installing Ubuntu. ;)
[15:09] <edbian> Plugh: me too
[15:09] <Companion> mneptok,  companion@cube ~]$ lsb_release -a
[15:09] <Companion> bash: lsb_release: command not found
[15:09] <edbian> Companion: cat /etc/issue
[15:09] <Companion> whats wrong with ubuntu :O
[15:09] <mneptok> Companion: that's not Debian or Ubuntu, then
[15:09] <mix22891> hello, there are error with the Kazam program, i can't upload videos to youtube
[15:09] <ScatterBrain> Having trouble connecting to a network printer (Windows 2003 Domain based - shared on the server).  I can find the printer, I can make the connection, but when I tell anything to print, ubuntu just sits there at the "processing" state.  running 11.04 desktop.
[15:09] <Pessimist> It is in my 11.10. Maybe you had errors while downloading the iso?
[15:09] <Anonxpct> Y dnt u just do uname -a?
[15:09] <Shatters> wow that ap-get clean just freed up 300+ mb
[15:10] <Shatters> good deal
[15:10] <Companion> mneptok, nope
[15:10] <Companion> its Archlinux :)
[15:10] <Companion> companion@cube ~]$ cat /etc/issue
[15:10] <Companion> Arch Linux \r  (\n) (\l)
[15:10] <cremaster> i'm on natty and my wifi (b43) seems not to be picking up the weak-medium networks - only the super strong
[15:10] <edbian> Companion: haha, arch is great :)
[15:10] <Plugh> ScatterBrain: Do you have the printer driver installed?
[15:10] <Vide> Hey, I have been using Ubuntu 11.10 a while now (Wubi). Today I had multiple programs open and Ubuntu freezed. I rebooted by switching the power off and when I rebooted to Ubuntu, the grub menu didn't came up. Instead grup> prompt came up. How to get the menu working again?
[15:10] <rahul> Polah: , Plugh , Darael : I mean apart from the fact that I can retain the applications that I already have in a upgrade, is there any disadvantage in upgrading like I can't get some features or like that?
[15:10] <Companion> edbian, I <3 it as desktop
[15:10]  * Companion uses Ubuntu as server tho
[15:10] <ScatterBrain> Plugh: Yes.
[15:10] <cremaster> i have another machine running lucid with the same card that's picking up all the networks
[15:10] <Polah> rahul: There shouldn't be
[15:10] <edbian> Companion: I love it so much that I know when I'm using it.
[15:10] <SIFTU> Companion: lsb_release works in Arch.. install it
[15:11] <Anonxpct> Cremaster....install kismet nd chek...if u still dnt gt it...its a driver/hrdwr issue
[15:11] <Companion> SIFTU, its useless package tho :O
[15:11] <rahul> Polah: So no drawback. right?
[15:11] <Shatters> so when I'm using persistent usb, I can change admin password, but it doesn't save the change, despite being persistent. anyhow know how to remedy that?
[15:11] <|usr|bin|nice> where do i find the hashes for 11.10?
[15:11] <Companion> Targets (2): filesystem-2011.10-1  mkinitcpio-0.7.4-1
[15:11] <Companion> hrm
[15:11] <Companion> :O
[15:11] <switch10> Companion: so many former Ubuntu users switching to Arch.  I love it.
[15:12] <Plugh> rahul: No real advantage. As mentioned, upgrading allows you to retain a lot of the configuration info and list of packages already on the machine which may not get installed automatically during a fresh install.
[15:12] <edbian> switch10: Everyone is a former ubuntu user.
[15:12] <SIFTU> Companion: well depends.. I have uses for it
[15:12] <Companion> switch10, ubuntu is a great distro keep reminding that, but Archlinux is way more perfect as desktop
[15:12] <Companion> SIFTU, I only use it when people are asking for doing it...
[15:12] <pangolin> !ot
[15:12] <SIFTU> Companion: ah, I have script which use it
[15:13] <Companion> SIFTU, virtualmin uses it too, yet it can be installed without that package the problem is ubuntu has too many un used packaged with eats time on installing a 'perfect' server running on ubuntu
[15:14] <xukun> Companion, can u explain that a bit more? why do u think archlinux is perfect?
[15:14] <Companion> xukun, I am not telling archlinux is perfect compared to ubuntu
[15:14] <Plugh> |usr|bin|nice: http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/ubuntu-releases/oneiric/
[15:14] <ucenik19> aasdadadadasdas
[15:14] <ucenik19> sad
[15:14] <ucenik19> asd
[15:14] <ucenik19> asd
[15:14] <FloodBot1> ucenik19: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:14] <pangolin> xukun Companion Please continue the non-support discussion in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:14] <Companion> pangolin, its ubuntu related
[15:14] <rahul> Any idea about the power management in 11.10? I have serious issue with discrete gps.
[15:14] <cwest> Is there a known problem with ntfs on a persistent flash drive? I can't mount anything ntfs
[15:14] <Shatters> anyone know why ubunto from persistent usb won't save admin pass change?
[15:15] <Shatters> running ub 10 lucid
[15:15] <Suhel> Finally can we discuss Ocelot here???  Lol
[15:15] <Companion> xukun, I preffer Archlinux as Desktop and Ubuntu as server :)
[15:15] <pangolin> Companion: reasons why Arch is better or worse is not Ubuntu related.
[15:15] <mneptok> Companion: it's not support related. move the convo.
[15:15] <Ann-Maria> I have a empathy translation in .po format. But don't know how to install it. Plz help me
[15:15] <ucenik35> as
[15:15] <martian> Is there a list of changes in 11.10 that one would see if you're not using whatever that terrible new gnome interface is?
[15:15] <Kottizen> hi, when I booted by live CD on my MacBook Pro I get this: "Unable to find a medium containing a live file system"
[15:15] <ucenik35> assasa
[15:15] <Companion> pangolin, its a comparisation between distro's that I am explaining to some one
[15:15] <Kottizen> what do I do?
[15:15] <Companion> yet ill pm him then...
[15:15] <Pici> !notes | martian
[15:15] <mix22891> hello, there are error with the Kazam program, i can't upload videos to youtube
[15:15] <pangolin> Companion: Do it in the offtopic channel.
[15:15] <mix22891> please HELP
[15:15] <Kottizen> Pici: it was the same in 11.04
[15:16] <Companion> xukun, see pm
[15:16] <pangolin> or in PM
[15:16] <pangolin> thank you.
[15:16] <xukun> Companion, it's nice to have choices. That is one of the best things about open source
[15:16] <Ann-Maria> I have a empathy translation in .po format. But don't know how to install it. Plz help me
[15:16] <ucenik35> kaj  si we?
[15:16] <Companion> xukun, check pm :)
[15:16] <martian> Pici: oh hmm, I was reading the text version of the notes and they were rather sparese. Thanks.
[15:16] <ucenik35> Fuck all
[15:16] <organiks> Companion,: why  Archlinux?
[15:17] <Ann-Maria> I have a empathy translation in .po format. But don't know how to install it. Plz help me
[15:17] <Ann-Maria> hey somebody help me
[15:17] <Companion> organiks, As I mentioned before I preffer ubuntu as Server (Server version) then Desktop
[15:17] <cwest> my error is this:
[15:17] <cwest> Mount is denied because the NTFS volume is already exclusively opened.
[15:17] <|usr|bin|nice> Plugh, thanks, it would seems that my download is corrupted
[15:17] <VectorX> hi, can someone tell me where i can learn more about MultiSeat, like if there are some books etc, talking about setup, use cases etc ?
[15:18] <Plugh> Ann-Maria: You need to have a bit of patience after asking a question.
[15:18] <Ann-Maria> no one to help this sexy
[15:18] <Plugh> |usr|bin|nice: yw
[15:18] <Ann-Maria> Plugh, waited for a long
[15:18] <bucaneiro> if I am using 11.04 why I need to update to 11.10?
[15:18] <Pessimist> You don't
[15:18] <edbian> bucaneiro: u dont'
[15:18] <Plugh> Ann-Maria: I saw your question and the follow up help me request 14 seconds later.
[15:19] <Ann-Maria> Plugh,hmm
[15:19] <jbwiv> anyone know when Unity2d is expected to support >2 monitors?
[15:19] <bucaneiro> if something is working as expected no need to updates
[15:19] <pkug> Hi there, I deleted some default packages from my Ubuntu system and i want to revert it so that it doesn't lack any default packages.. any trick how to reinstall missing base (default) packages ?
[15:19] <Jahcros> Ann-Maria: it's also quite possible that no one in the chat is entirely sure what your problem is or how to help you. You may need to rephrase your question and add additional details.
[15:20] <edgy> hi, which image of these is the desktop amd64: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/oneiric/release/, I can only see macs and dvd but no intel
[15:20] <jrib> pkug: if you have ubuntu-desktop installed, you should be set
[15:20] <neoteo> hello
[15:20] <Ann-Maria> Jahcros,I have a empathy translation in .po format. But don't know how to install it. Plz help me
[15:20] <MAREK_BENC_NetB> pkug: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[15:20] <jrib> edgy: read the first sentence on that page?
[15:20] <Plugh> Ann-Maria: dpkg -L empathy to see what files are in the package. You should see where it stored the other .po files which came with it. Install your other .po where the others are located. Better still, contact the project and offer them your translation so it can become part of the official distribution.
[15:21] <edbian> ls
[15:21] <edgy> jrib: aha! thanks
[15:21] <jrib> edgy: no problem :)
[15:21] <Polah> jrib: And ubuntu-minimal to upgrade
[15:22] <cannonball> pkug: Look in /var/log/apt/history to see what you removed, then just re-install those packages with sudo apt-get.  I don't know of a way to do this though from the gui.
[15:22] <jrib> Polah: I assumed ubuntu-desktop depended on it but it's possible that's not the case
[15:22] <cwesterfield> would an upgrade to persistent usb work? maybe it would fix my problem
[15:22] <engammalsko> The gnome-shell is fucked up in 11.10. I tried both GNOME and GNOME classic.
[15:22] <engammalsko> Do I need to make a clean install of 11.10?
[15:22] <Psi-Jack> engammalsko: Mind your language kindly, please.
[15:22] <dweez> did you install fallback and gnome-shell?
[15:23] <Polah> jrib: Nope, I removed it and had to reinstall to move to 11.10
[15:23] <Dreaman> engammalsko no gnome classic like gnome 2
[15:23] <jrib> Polah: thanks, good to know
[15:23] <Dreaman> gnome -shell and unity
[15:23] <ScatterBrain> Is there a way to configure Ubuntu so that when a I try to access a Windows (domain based) resource that it always provides the proper information?
[15:23] <MAREK_BENC_NetB> engammalsko: This is a support chanel, if you want to curse, atleast censure it.
[15:23] <Shatters> rembrandt
[15:23] <Plugh> engammalsko: Care to elaborate on the issues you have encountered>
[15:24] <pkug> MAREK_BENC_NetB, jrib: thanks, but i still miss like email notification icon (unity) package and few others
[15:24] <klafka> when you load up the 11.10 livecd should it take a really long time on loading the 4th button on the splash screen
[15:25] <nixmaniack> if I upgrade from Live CD, will my packages remain as it is or will they be wiped out?
[15:25] <sebsebseb> klafka: on the boot up theme?
[15:25] <klafka> yeah
[15:25] <sebsebseb> klafka: ok Plymotuh and no it shoudn't realy
[15:25] <sebsebseb> klafka: ,but Plymouth doesn't alwasy work right in Ubuntu
[15:25] <guy> Totally off-topic, please forgive me! Though, would anyone who is a Londoner would want to travel to Birmingham tomorrow for free? (need to deliver a package, though)
[15:25] <jrib> pkug: if you create a fresh new user, does everything look ok?
[15:26] <jrib> guy: do not do that please
[15:26] <sebsebseb> klafka: may be a bad CD causing it, or to do with your graphics card, does it load up at all?
[15:26] <klafka> not sure what you mean by plymouth, i mean on like the initial load screen where it is purple and says ubuntu 11.10
[15:26] <guy> jrib: I know.. I kinda feel bad for doing it. : )
[15:26] <klafka> and it changes the first 3 dots underneath ubuntu t red
[15:26] <guy> It's an emergency though.
[15:26] <klafka> then freezes at the 4th
[15:26] <sebsebseb> klafka: yep that, that's Plymouth
[15:26] <sebsebseb> klafka: the name of the program
[15:26] <klafka> ah ok
[15:26] <jrib> guy: well now you know that if you do it, you will be banned.  So please don't do it anymore
[15:26] <pkug> jrib, i just deleted that package, it's not there.. i think it doesn't belong to ubuntu-desktop set but i'll take a look at apt logs now
[15:26] <klafka> i have a macbook pro 5,3 so i'm wondering if it's a graphics driver issue?
[15:27] <sebsebseb> klafka: however in Ubuntu in my expereince, well not done 11.10, but well yeah been quite a few issues with it at times really
[15:27] <guy> well, hopefully someone will see it. : )
[15:27] <Shatters> nah
[15:27] <ichbinder> hello. How can I tar a folder containing also some hard linkes (created with "cp -l") in a way such that these hard linked files are also useable after untaring the archive again on a different machine?
[15:27] <sebsebseb> klafka: some distros let you just get a text boot instead, but nope not  recent verisons of Ubuntu
[15:27] <klafka> i've had such issues installing linux on this i'm almost starting to think I have hardware problems
[15:27] <sburjan> hello. I am trying to upgrade to 11.10 and I get a "Package dependencies cannot be resolved"
[15:28] <jrib> ichbinder: what happens when you tar normally?
[15:28] <Dreaman> sburjan use clean install
[15:28] <dweez> guy, go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:28] <sebsebseb> klafka: if you install it, you can pretty much disable plymouth if it cuases a problem, but if the Live CD isn't even booting up hmm,  worth a md5sum check to make sure you got a good download
[15:28] <sburjan> Dreaman: so no dist upgrade, clean install from CD ?
[15:28] <sebsebseb> !md5sum | klafka
[15:28] <leuty> sburjan: Are the sources already updated to the oneric sources?
[15:28] <spikebike> dweez: hey
[15:28] <Dreaman> sburjan yes :)
[15:29] <sburjan> leuty: Package dependencies cannot be resolved IA32-lib
[15:29] <gulzar> I want to find block device for my external hdd - "Elements". How? I issued this command - cat /proc/scsi/scsi but not getting it
[15:29] <cwesterfield> is there a better room to chat about persistent usb installs?
[15:29] <zmbmartin> I had installed to fglrx driver but dumped it and went back to radeon but now my boot splash doesn't work. Can't remember if anything that I changed?
[15:29] <Flynsarmy> what's the iso name for 64-bit 11.10? i don't see a i686 on my local mirror. do i use the amd64 one for an intel machine?
[15:29] <StepNjump> Hi, I'm trying to mount an ext4 partition in read-only mode by typing sudo mount -o remount,ro /dev/sda8  ---- mount: can't find /dev/sda8 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab   --- What does it mean?
[15:29] <spikebike> Flynsarmy: yes, use an amd64 for a 64 bit intel machine
[15:29] <Dreaman> zmbmartin gnome 3.2 not use fglrx :)
[15:29] <engammalsko> MAREK_BENC_NetB: Psi-Jack: Sorry. Here's a screen shot. Can I somehow make it look like the Gnome on 11.04? http://superbfish.com/images/screen.png
[15:29] <sebsebseb> !hashes | klafka
[15:29] <Polah> ichbinder: No, probably not. Hard links point to the same location on the disk, if you move them then the data they point to will most likely not be in the same position. Symlinks may work though
[15:29] <dunpeal> Hey. What's the MD5 checksum of the Oneiric DVD?
[15:29] <klafka> thanks
[15:29] <ichbinder> jrib: tar tells me the following for these files: http://paste.ubuntu.com/707398/ I ignored it, did scp on the tar.bz2 and untared it on the destination. Then, I couldn't open that png.
[15:29] <leuty> sburjan: I had a smiliar issue. it helped to run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and manually remove all the packages that "have unmet dependencies"
[15:30] <sebsebseb> dunpeal: see what the bot just gave to klafka
[15:30] <Flynsarmy> spikebike: 64-bit 11.10 can run 32-bit apps too can't it?
[15:30] <jrib> gulzar: if it's mounted, just type « mount »
[15:30] <sebsebseb> !hashes | dunpeal
[15:30] <klafka> yes Flynsarmy
[15:30] <Polah> StepNjump, it can't find any device identified by /dev/sda8
[15:30] <switch10> StepNjump: you are tring to mount to /media ?
[15:30] <llutz> StepNjump: you can only "remount" stuff already being mounted
[15:30] <StepNjump> Polah, gparted told me that sda8 is the right partition and it's not mounted
[15:31] <Polah> Flynsarmy: i686 is for 32-bit systems, amd64 is for 64-bit systems. They will work on Intel and AMD, they are just names for the architectures.
 I am getting this ;; /exec cat /proc/scsi/scsi
[15:31] <llutz> StepNjump: sudo mount -o ro /dev/sda8 /mnt
[15:31] <intok> So whats the state of the i845 GPU driver in 11.10??
[15:31] <gulzar>  /exec cat /proc/scsi/scsi
[15:31] <ANDruid> what is wrong with my firefox? its process doesn't quit after i quit firefox
[15:31] <jrib> gulzar: use a pastebin
[15:31] <Polah> StepNjump, oh, if it's not mounted then take out remount and retry
[15:31] <dunpeal> sebsebseb: no 11.10 md5sums there yet, it seems :(
[15:31] <StepNjump> llutz, do you mean I should mount it first normally and then switch it to read only?
[15:31] <StepNjump> ok llut, let me try that
[15:32] <llutz> StepNjump:no need to do that, just use " sudo mount -o ro /dev/sda8 /mnt" if its not mounted
[15:32] <ichbinder> Polah: well, yeah. But is there no way to "unlink" them in a sense that the content is copied to the archive?
[15:32] <StepNjump> yep let me try it
[15:32] <engammalsko> Plugh: http://superbfish.com/images/screen.png can I somehow make gnome look like it did in 11.04?
  http://pastebin.com/TBqaFW40
[15:33] <ichbinder> Polah: and wouldn't symlinks fail for sure, since they only link to another filename. (if there is no specific option to unlink symlinks)
[15:33] <ANDruid> it never happened until i use it for some porn sites
[15:33] <Pici> sebsebseb: I'm working on getting that updated fyi
[15:33] <Plugh> engammalsko: I don't know. I dumped Unity right away and installed Gnome 2 on my 11.04 box.
[15:33] <jrib> ichbinder: I don't know what h means
[15:34] <sebsebseb> Pici: md5sums?
[15:34] <Polah> ichbinder: symlinks point to another filename yes, so if the files were the same name and in the same place they would work. Hard links are multiple pointers to a single actual set of data. Just copying the hard link may actually carry the data with it, or taking the original perhaps. I don't know exactly how data movement works with hard links
[15:34] <ichbinder> jrib: where do you mean?
[15:34] <Pici> sebsebseb: on that help.u.c page.
[15:34] <sebsebseb> uc?
[15:34] <dweez> I just added a ppa using the add-apt-repository to install gnome-shell-extensions.  I did the install but now when I look in /etc/apt/sources.list to comment the ppa out, I don't see it.  I thought the sources.list was where the repos are saved
[15:34] <jrib> ichbinder: http://paste.ubuntu.com/707398/ here.  I am not familiar with the meaning of 'h'
[15:34] <StepNjump> ok llutz, that mounted it as read only then right?
[15:34] <llutz> StepNjump: yes
[15:34] <StepNjump> it came up without error
[15:34] <ichbinder> Polah: but yeah, that's what I want! I want the data to be copied to the archive!
[15:34] <ichbinder> jrib: i guess that stands for hard link
[15:35] <sebsebseb> Pici: uc?
[15:35] <jrib> ichbinder: no
[15:35] <gulzar> jrib : ??? what it means I cannot understand it
[15:35] <Pici> sebsebseb: ubuntu.com
[15:35] <llutz> StepNjump: "mount" without any option to check
[15:35] <StepNjump> now I need to run extundelete because I lost a lot of data on that partition
[15:35] <sebsebseb> ah ok
[15:35] <jrib> gulzar: did you see my suggestion to you?
[15:35] <StepNjump> should I umount it first before starting the process?
[15:35] <gulzar> jrib :   http://pastebin.com/TBqaFW40
[15:35] <llutz> StepNjump: extundelete? does that work? isn't that this ancient stuff not really working since 15 yrs?
[15:36] <Raboo> hi
[15:36] <StepNjump> because extundelete is supposed to be running umounted BUT when I tried it first, I got a 13 error code
[15:36] <jrib> gulzar: yeah, I saw that.
[15:36] <jrib> ichbinder: well at least I do not see `h' when I create a hard link
[15:36] <StepNjump> yep I guess
[15:36] <Raboo> how do i create two bonding interfaces in Ubuntu 11.04
[15:36] <llutz> StepNjump: you could try "photorec" from testdisk-package too. sry cannot help with both, i havent used one of them myself
[15:37] <StepNjump> llutz but I need something that will get my files i deleted by mistake yesterday. Unfortunately, I'm on ext4 and all the other solutions (non commercial that is) are not compatible above ext3
[15:37] <Raboo> methods described in the web does not work
[15:37] <StepNjump> yep but photorec is not to be used with ext4...
[15:37] <StepNjump> I guess I could try it if it doesn't work
[15:37] <ugarit> how can I determine if I am running 32bit or 64bit ubuntu?
[15:37] <edbian> ugarit: uname -a
[15:37] <ichbinder> jrib: yeah, you are right... no idea... :-/
[15:37] <StepNjump> thank you for your help llutz
[15:38] <ugarit> edbian : thanks
[15:38] <edbian> ugarit: sure
[15:38] <jrib> ichbinder: actually what is interesting is the 0 there.  That means there are 0 hard links
[15:38] <paduae> Is there anyone that can help with WUBI installation error?
[15:39] <monstaRtruck> wubi lol
[15:39] <ichbinder> jrib: so, I did ls -la to that file, and there it also has no "h"
[15:39] <RyuGuns> I have a problem on 11.04, every time fullscreen a window, it stretches the window only and goes half way down.
[15:39] <sush24> hi... im kinda new to unix... i've managed to setup a ec2 instance with ubuntu... i have a lot of files on another server ... can connect through FTP.. i want to copy (or download) files to this installation.... can someone help me with a recursive command i should use?
[15:39] <thorn> !onirc
[15:39] <B0g4r7> What's the preferred software these days for running a mail server?  I want smtp, imap, and webmail, all with all the modern SSL protocol stuff.
[15:39] <jrib> ichbinder: oh, I assumed that's what it was.  My mistake.  Can you pastebin that?
[15:40] <monstaRtruck> dont upgrade to 11 unity sux
[15:40] <thorn> !happiness
[15:40] <ichbinder> jrib: the ls -la?
[15:40] <jrib> ichbinder: yeah
[15:40] <Raboo> sush24 use scp maybe
[15:40] <Chotaz`Work> monstaRtruck, you can always disable it, that's what I did/do.
[15:40] <RyuGuns> I think it's a problem with compiz, I've tried "compiz --replace"
[15:40] <|usr|bin|nice> monstaRtruck, that's your own opinion.
[15:40] <zmbmartin> Dreaman: Are you asking why I am not using fglrx?
[15:40] <Raboo> is there a ubuntu network channel?
[15:40] <B0g4r7> Yes, Unity is painful.  I turn it off.
[15:41] <ichbinder> jrib: http://paste.ubuntu.com/707400/
[15:41] <rahul> Any idea about the power management in 11.10? I have serious issue with discrete gps.
[15:41] <craigbass1976> is there a way to password protect an app?
[15:41] <jrib> ichbinder: read here:
[15:41] <jrib> ichbinder: read here: http://www.gnu.org/s/automake/manual/tar/hard-links.html
[15:41] <edbian> craigbass1976: change the permissions so only root can run it (but then it runs as root so... what is it?)
[15:41] <Sool> Hi everybody!! how can i draw the x-coordinate of my Mouse-pointer in a terminal?
[15:41] <sush24> Raboo: thanks... :)
[15:41] <craigbass1976> edbian, There's a "community" computer at work, and I'd like to run thunderbird on it, but don't need everyone dorking through my emails
[15:42] <Dreaman> zmbmartin use ubuntu 11.10 beta 2 fglrx not work
[15:42] <Dreaman> :)
[15:42] <bytesaber_work> is there a way to install ubuntu, onto an efi system, with efi boot support within it's own partition, and not overwriting or re blessing the existing EFI?
[15:42] <Kre10s> regarding unity... if you upgrade from 10. you don't even need to disable it, just select ubuntu classic when you login.
[15:42] <rahul> Any idea about the power management in 11.10? I have serious issue with discrete gps.
[15:42] <zmbmartin> Dreaman: I don't understand what you mean?
[15:42] <craigbass1976> edbian, actually, is it possible to fire up an app as a different user?  I used to do this on RH based linuxes, but haven't since I switched
[15:42] <paduae> Can anyone help with a "No root file system is defined"
[15:42] <edbian> craigbass1976: mmm, def don't want that running as root.  Make it so only your user can run it (not password necessary, it will work for you and not for them! :D)
[15:42] <B0g4r7> craigbass1976, use a seperate user account.
[15:42] <Chotaz`Work> Have anyone ever did upgrades without fresh installing? multiple times that is (10.04->10.10->11.04->11.10 without fresh installing for example)
[15:43] <edbian> craigbass1976: yes, are others logged in as you?
[15:43] <Dreaman> zmbmartin new gnome not suport fglrx :)
[15:44] <nixmaniack> if i upgrade from Live CD, will my apps will remain as is or will they get wiped out?
[15:44] <pdq> Chotaz`Work, i'm still on my original 9.10 install, have upgraded through to 11.10 with no issues :)
[15:44] <pis0ga> Chotaz: I did & upgrading 11.04->11.10 now :D
[15:44] <zmbmartin> Dreaman: oh I see
[15:44] <edbian> nixmaniack: if you reinstall from a liveCD the apps will be replaced.  I'm not sure if you can 'upgrade' from a live CD (which would not erase apps)
[15:44] <dweez> ah, I see now...add-apt-repository puts the ppa in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[15:44] <Chotaz`Work> pdq, that was my concern, thanks. I'm currently upgrading my home comp through SSH and was wondering about wiping out data/apps.
[15:45] <heoa_> ...my ubuntu keeps get killed, printing some kernel failures...
[15:45] <engammalsko> Plugh: Yes me too. But I have 11.1 now. And 11.10 doesn't have GNOME so you'll need to install it manually. Which I did. And it looks like that :(
[15:45] <heoa_> anyway with the same problem with the about newest uubuntu?
[15:45] <adminewb> why allow only one tracker on torrents for the new release?
[15:45] <heoa_> err anyone?
[15:45] <ichbinder> jrib: thanks... interestingly, man tar on that other system does not show me that option... :( I'll give it a try
[15:45] <engammalsko> Plugh: 11.10*
[15:45] <mari00> does anyone know what the httpd binary was renamed to in ubuntu?
[15:45] <Abhijit> nixmaniack, you can upgrade from cd and it will not make your aps vanish. it will just upgrade them
[15:45] <mari00> i can't find the binary anywhere
[15:45] <nixmaniack> edbian, upgrade from Live CD is available from 11.04 or 10.10 (dont know exact ver), but never tried it
[15:45] <heoa_> ...hey this is quite serious prob...
[15:45] <somsip> mari00: apache2
[15:45] <edbian> mari00: apache2
[15:45] <jrib> ichbinder: hmm, it shows "--hard-dereference" here on 11.04
[15:46] <mari00> ahhhh ok thx
[15:46] <Vustom> When will Ubuntu 11.10 be released
[15:46] <heoa_> what is the Ubuntu developer irc channel?
[15:46] <Vustom> ?
[15:46] <jrib> Vustom: in the past :)
[15:46] <Plugh> engammalsko: Hm... thanks for the heads up. I'll have to do a test install in a spare partition to see what I'm going to get. I have 13 icons across the top panel for the programs I use frequently.
[15:46] <edbian> Vustom: today
[15:46] <REK_007> is 11.10 LTS ?
[15:46] <Vustom> o
[15:46] <arghx> REK_007: no
[15:46] <edbian> no
[15:46] <sburjan> leuty: I have broken packages, but I don't know which ones, because I don't get a list
[15:46] <REK_007> and deos it have gnome 3 as people here on IRC told me it would have
[15:46] <Dreaman> REK_007 12.04 is lts
[15:46] <rahul> Any idea about the power management in 11.10? I have serious issue with discrete gps.
[15:47] <adminewb> REK_007 no
[15:47] <Dreaman> and 14.04 is lts ans 10.04 lts
[15:47] <Dreaman> :)
[15:47] <Plugh> sburjan: The Synaptic gui program can list broken packages.
[15:47] <REK_007> then have to look for other distros
[15:47] <sburjan> Plugh: how can I recogize them >
[15:47] <REK_007> ubuntu is debian right? so other debian based distro with GNOME 3 there ?
[15:48] <Sool> How do i get the x-coordinate of my mousepointer?
[15:48] <Dreaman> REK_007 use mint debian edition gnome2
[15:48] <Dreaman> :)
[15:48] <Plugh> REK_007: IIRC, it is .04 releases that are usually .04 (but not 11.04)
[15:48] <Plugh> Usually LTS
[15:48] <ichbinder> jrib: yeah, my local machine is a 11:04, but the machine I try to copy from - so where the tar is - is a debian and does not have the GNU tar... :(
[15:48] <heoa_> ...sign LTS is now short-term...
[15:48] <REK_007> Dreaman: am on ubuntu 10.04 .. with that make a difference if i move to mint?
[15:49] <jrib> ichbinder: strange, what debian version?
[15:49] <Plugh> sburjan, click the button for "Broken packages"
[15:49] <leuty> sburjan: if you run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade you dont get a list of what is broken?
[15:49] <Dreaman> REK_007 time of support
[15:49] <Dreaman> :)
[15:49] <heoa_> ...my comp gets apparently some sort of kernel panic after running some time, how to diagnose that?
[15:49] <sburjan> Plugh, leuty : managed from synaptic to remove the broken packages
[15:49] <Plugh> sburjan, left side of the screen of "Synaptic Package Manager" says "Broken" as second item down.
[15:50] <sebsebseb> REK_007: Mint it seems won't be doing Unity or Gnome Shell any time soon, but  this is a bit off topic now.  Also Mint 9 is based on Ubuntu 10.04 so  same support
[15:50] <Plugh> ok, good
[15:50] <thorn> !philosophy
[15:50] <reisi> are the openjdk-7 packages completly broken on 11.10 or is it just me? i've got openjdk-7-jdk installed but no javac?
[15:50] <heoa_> !spam
[15:50] <REK_007> Dreaman: ok i left mint to come to ubuntu :) now i see will have to change
[15:50] <REK_007> thanks sebsebseb for the insight thats what i though :)
[15:50] <adminewb> why allow only one tracker on torrents for the new release?
[15:50] <Vustom> When I install Ubuntu 11.10 and put it along-side Windows 7, I want it to auto boot into Windows 7 instead of Ubuntu by default, how do I do this?
[15:50] <Dreaman> REK_007ok
[15:51] <mix22891> k
[15:51] <REK_007> Vustom: edit the grub.cfg file
[15:51] <sebsebseb> REK_007: no problem your welcome :)
[15:51] <Dreaman> REK_007 i left ubuntu to use archlinux :)
[15:51] <REK_007> Dreaman: i also have set it up :P
[15:51] <wiredfool> is there a way to make unity sorta kinda work like the netbook launcher in 10.04?  I'd like one or two categories of apps on the 'home screen', and that's about it
[15:51] <thorn> !happiness
[15:51] <wiredfool> full screen only,
[15:51] <thorn> !ubuntu
[15:51] <craigbass1976> edbian, sorry, had a customer.  So, I've got a box and the user bob is logged in.  Can I somehow fire up a terminal and start thunderbird as craig?
[15:52] <REK_007> Dreaman: but facing few problems :) will look into those when i have some more time at hand to research and fix
[15:52] <edbian> Vustom: edit /etc/default/grub and save it and run sudo update-grub
[15:52] <Lithos84> Vustom: Install startupmanager
[15:52] <mix22891> hello, there are error with the Kazam program, i can't upload videos to youtube
[15:52] <jrib> thorn: try !msgthebot :)
[15:52] <edbian> craigbass1976: fire up the terminal, su craig
[15:52] <edbian> craigbass1976: then run thunderbird
[15:52] <rahul> overheating problem in 11.10?
[15:53] <craigbass1976> edbian, I thought I got display errors when I'd tried it in the past.   I'll give it a whirl shortly; still setting up the box
[15:53] <Vustom> If I use sudo apt-get install gnome-shell does that install GNOME 3?
[15:53] <gar_onn> Can't install 11.10: says: "Could not download the release notes" (internet connection is OK)
[15:53] <edbian> craigbass1976: there should be no errors with doing what I just described
[15:53] <mari00> hi all, i'm having a problem with apache2 on ubuntu.  i've got a virtual host setup, pointing to a directory in my home directory, ie /home/{user}/www/crisis.  i've also set up a host name in /etc/hosts crisis.mini.net 127.0.0.1.  but when i enter crisis.mini.net it doesn't work.
[15:53] <sebsebseb> !gnomeshell | vilcobra
[15:53] <sebsebseb> Vustom: yeah that should do it I think
[15:53] <mari00> and when i run /usr/sbin/apache2 -S i get the message: "apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER}"
[15:53] <Dreaman> REK_007 i start with ubuntu 7.04 but in deep in linux world ubuntu is easy
[15:53] <sebsebseb> Vustom: then select it from your log in screen
[15:53] <sebsebseb> !nounity | vilcobra
[15:53] <jrib> Vustom: I believe you already have gnome 3 but gnome 3 can use different "shells" or interfaces.  Unity is default.  gnome-shell provides gnome shell
[15:53] <mari00> not sure what is going on here
[15:54] <Vustom> I see :)
[15:54] <jrib> mari00: try #httpd
[15:54] <Vustom> What's the best software to make your boot screen pretty?
[15:54] <Raboo> anyone know how i create two boned interfaces, bond0 and bond1?
[15:54] <kallisti5> so! 11.10 won't let you set the time in the gui :-\   the settings don't take
[15:54] <mari00> jrib: they sent me here
[15:54] <Vustom> ;D
[15:54] <jrib> mari00: for your -S message that's because of the way debian and ubuntu structure the config file and is more
[15:54] <jrib> mari00: for your -S message that's because of the way debian and ubuntu structure the config file and is *normal*
[15:54] <somsip> mari00: need to be root, and best run as a service, so sudo service apache2 start
[15:54] <REK_007> Dreaman: thats the only reason i have kept it .. to learn gradually :) and progressing quite well now :) so did setup of arch all on my own :) now doing more of it to learn more
[15:54] <mari00> meaning that messag is not a problem
[15:55] <jrib> mari00: what happens when you visit 127.0.0.1 in your browser?
[15:55] <sebsebseb> Vustom: look in the repos, there will be some Plymouth themes you can try there, (  Altough I personally find that other distros quite a few of them provide better Plymouth themes than any of those :D )
[15:55] <tery> I can't upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10, is it due to high traffic?
[15:55] <jrib> tery: possibly.
[15:55] <mari00> it loads the default virtualhost which is just /home/{ethan}/www
[15:55] <kallisti5> s
[15:55] <tery> jrib: ok I'll try later
[15:55] <jrib> tery: try choosing a local mirror in software-properties
[15:55] <mari00> there's nothing in that directory so it just lists the directories
[15:56]  * cce wonders if there's a channel for using gnome-panel with oneiric?  I'm an xmonad fan, upgraded, and gnome-panel no longer works well.
[15:56] <Dreaman> REK_007 learn terminal use :)
[15:56] <ubuntu1> can u tell me whats  included in ubuntu 11.10?
[15:56] <Vustom> Isn't Plymouth what they call that loading screen? Maybe I'm wrong, probably am.. :p
[15:56] <cce> ubuntu1: read the release notes?
[15:56] <sebsebseb> ubuntu1: main thing is Unity on top of Gnome 3
[15:56] <REK_007> Dreaman: yeah mate doing that only :) else would not have done arch  :P
[15:56] <sebsebseb> !notes | ubuntu1
[15:56] <dweez> !plymouth
[15:56] <Vustom> ^
[15:57] <heoa_> anyone else getting kernel panics with Ubuntu 11.04?
[15:57] <Dreaman> REK_007 i use gentoo and archlinux but start ubuntu
[15:57] <Dreaman> :)
[15:57] <jrib> mari00: pastebin your vhost configuration
[15:57] <mari00> jrib: ok
[15:57] <tuxforprez> Hi there I am trying to
[15:57] <tuxforprez> echo "Your weather code is $CODE It is now being move to the correct place "
[15:57] <tuxforprez> echo $CODE >> /opt/Weather/weather.config
[15:57] <tuxforprez>  but I want to replace the 1st line in weather.conf to $CODE
[15:57] <FloodBot1> tuxforprez: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:58] <jrib> tuxforprez: use sed
[15:58] <tuxforprez> Idk how :(
[15:58] <tuxforprez> just learning
[15:58] <tuxforprez> started *
[15:59] <Plugh> heoa_: Never seen a panic in 11.04
[15:59] <REK_007> Dreaman: you are saying all the thing i have had on mind :)i am learning it one ubuntu so that i can go in deeper with arch:)
[15:59] <jrib> tuxforprez: read intro tutorial for sed then
[16:00] <Dreaman> http://pastebin.com/8x4hg5cz   REK_007 see :) my system
[16:00] <tuxforprez> sed $CODE -e '/1/ '  | weather.conf     ???
[16:00] <okCPU> is there a CLI tool for finding files by date created?
[16:01] <tuxforprez> okCPU: ls -al
[16:01] <nixmaniack> Abhijit, sorry but i got disconnected, what if i don't have internet connection while upgrading from Live CD?
[16:01] <heoa_> Plugh: perhaps it has something to do with my harddrive then, not sure...
[16:01] <deebee_> I to save some time, I downloaded the alternate install CD via BitTorrent and ran /media/cdrom/cdromupgrade. As expected it asks me if I'd like to use the internet to get the latest packages. I say no, and it says the network won't be used at all. Then it starts fetching packages from the internet during the install. Any ideas what might be going on?
[16:01] <llutz> okCPU: not for ext-fs, it doesn't store creation-time
[16:01] <jrib> okCPU: date created is not recorded, so no.
[16:01] <heoa_> Plugh: perhaps it is just getting soon broken
[16:01] <Sool> Howdo i cut out the last two digits of a line in "cut"?
[16:01] <REK_007> Dreaman: cool :)
[16:01] <Plugh> heoa_: Is it during start up or at some random time after you have been running for a while?
[16:01] <Abhijit> nixmaniack, its not necessary
[16:01] <heoa_> Plugh: after some random time on...
[16:02] <Abhijit> nixmaniack, i never done upgradinng from cd. please refer to the documentatioon on ubuntu.com for upgrading
[16:02] <Dreaman> REK_007 yers use linux :)
[16:02] <Jep> hi
[16:02] <Jep> one question
[16:02] <dweez> okCPU, you might do a "man find" too
[16:02] <Plugh> heoa_: One possibility is a memory problem.
[16:02] <nixmaniack> Abhijit, okay thanks
[16:02] <REK_007> Dreaman: i have a quad boot :P
[16:02] <Jep> Does currently works the "delete files older than x days" option from kde trash? i have several files older than the day i've set and they're not deleted
[16:03] <Dreaman> REK_007 :)
[16:03] <heoa_> Plugh: how to know whether it is the case?
[16:03] <Jep> anyone?
[16:03] <ichbinder> jrib: sorry, I was battling with people about the same topic in #bash... ^^ hm... lsb-release -a and uname -a give me this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/707414/
[16:04] <frxstrem> what are the advantages and disadvantages of using 64-bit Ubuntu?
[16:04] <REK_007> Dreaman: i have mac+win7+ ubutnu+arch :P
[16:04] <logi01> would it be possible to use oneiric dvd with cdemu to reduce network traffic when updating from 10.04 to 10.11?
[16:04] <Dreaman> REK_007 ok
[16:04] <jrib> ichbinder: ah that's centos, guess they are using some other version of tar or an older one where --hard-dereference wasn't implemented yet
[16:04] <Plugh> heoa_: Memory problems can be hard to diagnose. There is a memtest program you can run. Its a boot option on some of the live CD's. My experience has been that memtest's have rarely found the memory problem unless its a hard failure.
[16:05] <Dreaman> REK_007 pic i see grub start menu :P
[16:05] <Plugh> heoa_: Check the kernel panic for any clues as to what might have triggered it. Also possible (but unlikely?) that a given program could be causing it. Some other hardware problem might also trigger it.
[16:06] <Plugh> heoa_: Check cables, make sure memory chips are fully seated, check that all internal fans are operating properly (to make sure its not heat related).
[16:06] <REK_007> Dreaman: BURG actually looks cooler :P
[16:07] <mari00> jrib: http://pastebin.com/uBnwUrJN
[16:07] <mari00> jrib: i moved the www folder to my home directory
[16:08] <mari00> jrib: i've also set up, asi mentioned initially, a line 127.0.0.1 in my /etc/hosts
[16:08] <mari00> when i load localhost/crisis it works, but when i try crisis.mini.net i get a 404.
[16:08] <EbanTide> Is xbmc compatable with the new release of ubuntu ?
[16:09] <ryann> EbanTide: does it work in 11.04?
[16:09] <EbanTide> Yes
[16:09] <daviddoria> I just upgraded to 11.10. In 11.04 there was an option in the login screen to use "classic ubuntu" which turned off the Unity sidebar. I no longer see this option. I tried "Ubuntu 2D" but it still seems to have the Unity sidebar. Is there a new way to do this?
[16:10] <usr13> mari00: May I suggest?:   Leave the DocumentRoot where it is and just use synlinks for the various sites you host.  Symlink them to /home/user/html or what ever you want to name it.
[16:10] <mari00> you mean like the ln -s thing?
[16:11] <deebee_> Even running '/media/cdrom/cdromupgrade --without-network' and it still tries to download the latest packages!
[16:11] <Lithos84> !nounity | daviddoria
[16:11] <okCPU> SET EMAIL sean@srqdev.net
[16:11] <daviddoria> thanks Lithos84
[16:11] <okCPU> ha... oops
[16:11] <usr13> mari00: Yes.  i.e.  ln -s /home/mari00/html /var/www/my-site-name
[16:11] <mari00> usr13: right that makes sense actually!
[16:12] <Lithos84> daviddoria: You're welcome.
[16:12] <ryaxnb> how do you add gnome 3.0 to the just-released Oneiric Ocelot
[16:12] <mari00> usr13: would have been much easier. thanks !
[16:12] <jrib> !nounity | ryaxnb
[16:12] <heoa_> Plugh: you are close, a fan in my laptop is making freaking noise time to time, it is probably somethnig to do with heat...
[16:12] <mari00> maybe i will see if that fixes the problem.
[16:12] <Lithos84> !nounity | ryaxnb
[16:12] <heoa_> ...my laptop does not like too much computing...
[16:12] <ryaxnb> !thank you...
[16:13] <ryaxnb> one more quesetion
[16:13] <Plugh> heoa_: yup. Noisy fans typically indicate one that is on its way out and is probably not doing its job properly. That is particularly bad in laptops.
[16:13] <ryaxnb> how do you add xubuntu to Ubuntu yet make Ubuntu the default loginscreen and desktop
[16:13] <ryaxnb> (e.g. the boot splash is Ubuntu)
[16:13] <sebsebseb> ryaxnb: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[16:13] <Sool> how can i define a character-range in "cut"? "cut --characters=0123456789" gives me "cut: only one type of list may be specified"
[16:13] <Sool> ?
[16:13] <sebsebseb> ryaxnb: and then tell the log in screen what you want by default I guess
[16:13] <ryann> unity sucks!
[16:13] <ryaxnb> yes, but then xubuntu is the boot splash
[16:14] <ryaxnb> and i want Unity bootsplash (just Ubuntu 11.10)
[16:14] <sebsebseb> ryann: yeah then delete the Plymouth xubuntu theme, that should do it
[16:14] <ryaxnb> ok thanks.
[16:14] <usr13> mari00: Not only that, but when / if you decide to create another site, just do ln -s /hAngel Food Ministries was a non-profit, non-denominational organization dedicated to providing grocery relief to communities throughout the United States.
[16:14] <usr13> Angel Food's groceries were sold in a quantity for $30.00 per unit. Each month's menu was different from the previous month and consists of both fresh and frozen items with an average retail value of approximately $60.
[16:14] <Lithos84> ryaxnb: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[16:14] <usr13> usr13: Sorry for that.  don't know what happened there but...
[16:15] <ichbinder> jrib: yeah... i made a stupid mistake that's too emberassing to tell, anyway... it's working now... :-/
[16:15] <heoa_> Plugh: any idea to fix it, a new fan or?
[16:15] <ichbinder> jrib: thanks for trying to help me!
[16:15] <tenX> usr13: does Angel Food's offer a drive in?
[16:15] <sebsebseb> !nounity > ryann
[16:15] <mari00> usr13: haha
[16:16] <ryaxnb> i dont think that's right
[16:16] <ryaxnb> i'll be using light dm
[16:16] <usr13> mari00: If you create another site:  ln -s /home/mari00/html2 /var/www/site2
[16:16] <mari00> usr13: i reset everything to point to the /var/www directoy as the base
[16:16] <PreK> Asus N53Jn overheat with 11.10 :S
[16:16] <Krenair> j #ubuntu+1
[16:16] <ryaxnb> at least, i want to be, since that's Oneiric default.
[16:16] <Krenair> woops
[16:16] <usr13> mari00: Anyway, you get the idea.
[16:16] <ryaxnb> i dont use gdm
[16:16] <Plugh> heoa_: A new fan may be in order or it could be an issue with a buildup of dust/dirt around the fan. Won't know until you open the machine to check. Don't do it yourself if the machine is under warranty. Safer to have a service center check it and/or replace fan.
[16:17] <mari00> usr13: then i created a symbolic link in /var/www pointing to my site at /home/mari00/www/the-site
[16:17] <ryaxnb> so to configure for ubuntu i delete the plymouth theme. Anything i need to do to lightdm (dpkg-reconfigure lightdm)
[16:17] <ryaxnb> or something
[16:17] <Anonxpct> @prek... Turn off gpu with acpi_call
[16:17] <mari00> but i am still having the same problem
[16:17] <sebsebseb> ryaxnb: yep just delete teh plymouth theme
[16:17] <ryaxnb> k
[16:17] <sebsebseb> ryaxnb: and I think Xubuntu uses lightdm now as well
[16:17] <usr13> mari00: That should do it.
[16:17] <mari00> with the domain name that i set in /etc/hosts
[16:17] <PreK> just did, with ironhide.. .
[16:17] <sebsebseb> ryaxnb: anyway if you do get gdm installed some how, but want lightdm, you can remove gdm and tehn tell it to use lightdm
[16:17] <ryaxnb> excellent, but i don't want the Xubuntu Lightdm theme either, so i guess i delete that.
[16:17] <heoa_> Plugh: I got the problem...after running with the laptop :D
[16:17] <Anonxpct> Still overheatng?
[16:17] <sebsebseb> ryaxnb: not sure, about the logi n screen tehem
[16:18] <cassio> hi. i just installed 11.10 and did the updates while installing. when i reboot it stops at "checking battery state"... gdm or lightdm, or whatever it is using is not firing up... anyone knows what gives?
[16:18] <ryaxnb> my main desktop will be Unity after all.
[16:18] <mari00> when i try to load localhost/the-site it works, but when i use the name i set up in /etc/hosts i get a 404 error.
[16:18] <sebsebseb> ryaxnb: oh?
[16:18] <ando> OK I have managed to boot the live CD, but when I select Install Ubuntu from the desktop or launcher it does nothing
[16:18] <ando> and running ubiquity --desktop %k gtk_ui form a terminal gives me a python error
[16:18] <ryaxnb> sebsebseb, yes.
[16:18] <ryaxnb> this is just for play.
[16:18] <usr13> mari00: What is the entry in /etc/hosts ?
[16:18] <sebsebseb> ryaxnb: oh ok I guess
[16:19] <ryaxnb> i have a 128GB HDD why not add some crap
[16:19] <PreK> and i starting hating the unity... lol
[16:19] <mari00> the /etc/hosts seems to be setup okay because when i ping crisis.mini.net it pings 127.0.0.1 as it should, so i am not sure what i going wrong here.
[16:19] <sebsebseb> ryaxnb: well you may want to install this as well whilst at it  then lubuntu-desktop
[16:19] <ryaxnb> i don't like LXDE, tried it before on something.
[16:19] <ryaxnb> i think as a PPA in 9.10
[16:19] <sebsebseb> ah ok
[16:19] <sebsebseb> wel it will be better now
[16:19] <daviddoria> I just changed to a 30" monitor. I was able to set the resolution to 2560x1600 like it wanted, but all text is really "bad" looking - is there a way to change the fonts or something so that it looks ok at this resolution?
[16:19] <needhelp1> i have a bug that is stoping me from booting my system. updated from 11.04 to 11.10, restarted the system, no errors on update. i get to the login screen, it will accept my pwd but the screen goes black for a few seconds, then keeps going back to the login screen, i have tried using all the environment options ubuntu/2d/recovery .. nothing will work. please help me
[16:19] <ryaxnb> i do find myself liking IceWM as a very light desktop for remote use and the like
[16:20] <usr13> mari00: Does it show the page:  "It works!" ?
[16:20] <ryaxnb> icewm is nice because to start a icewm X11 session you just start X11 and type icewm.
[16:20] <mari00> usr13: http://pastebin.com/1XUWusWZ
[16:20] <sebsebseb> ryaxnb: ah ok
[16:20] <ryaxnb> then you have all of it, without the complex startup procedure of DEs.
[16:20] <thorn> !bug
[16:20] <needhelp1> i have a bug that is stoping me from booting my system. updated from 11.04 to 11.10, restarted the system, no errors on update. i get to the login screen, it will accept my pwd but the screen goes black for a few seconds, then keeps going back to the login screen, i have tried using all the environment options ubuntu/2d/recovery .. nothing will work. please help me my guest login session does the same thing, wont work also.
[16:21] <cassio> hi. i just did a clean install of 11.10 and did the updates while installing. when i reboot it stops at "checking battery state"... gdm or lightdm, or whatever it is using is not firing up... anyone knows what gives?
[16:21] <mari00> usr13: what is it?
[16:21] <ben_unity> I have heard of a power draining bug in oneric, does anyone have any ideas of how to fix it? I am currently downloading the ISO, 1 hour to go
[16:21] <ryaxnb> i have not heard of that bug.
[16:21] <sebsebseb> needhelp1: oh sounds a bit like when,  last year, on another computer,  Ubuntu 10.04 refused to let anyone log in all of a sudden and I don't know why, so switched distro
[16:21] <Yamauchi> seems buggy
[16:21] <ryaxnb>  i get decent battery life, compared to 11.04
[16:21] <sebsebseb> needhelp1: uhmm anyway the bad news is
[16:21] <ryaxnb>  i have kernel 3.0.0-12
[16:21] <sebsebseb> needhelp1: it may be better to just re install, start over
[16:21] <iceroot> ben_unity: have a look at launchpad for workarounds
[16:21] <sebsebseb> easier that way as well
[16:22] <ryaxnb> i get around 5-6 hours on my 8-cell netbook
[16:22] <ben_unity> I have a 6cell netbook, on 11.04 I get 5~6 hours
[16:22] <cce> Does anyone know if it's possible to use the panel in oneiric unity but with another window manager?
[16:22] <usr13> mari00: Does it show the page:  "It works!" ?
[16:23] <mari00> usr13: if i run localhost or 127.0.0.1 yes it would load that--or rather it loads the index.html that i put there myself.
[16:23] <Promethes> i see that Gnome Shell is even worse than Unity, there is no such thing as taskbar, switching between opened windows is very complicated
[16:23] <cce> In particular, I'm trying to use xmonad instead of unity, but would like to use the toolbar (when it was gnome-panel in natty, worked)
[16:23] <sebsebseb> needhelp1: sounds like your upgrade has gone quite wrong,  and that may be easier to just re install, but I assume you got data on your computer that you want  and that kind of thing
[16:23] <mari00> usr13: which says "Hello there!"
[16:23] <pastorbelga> !Bald Tea Obreht - The Tiger's Wife (mobi).rar
[16:23] <ben_unity> I got this idea about battery life from http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/10/ubuntu-11-10-released/, where it has Battery Drain near the end
[16:24] <edwardpatch> help, how do i install wine freshly i installed it but now theres no audio drivers on it so i need to reinstall it so it wipes all info off how do i do it
[16:24] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: delete  or move the hidden .wine folder in Home
[16:24] <jbicha> Promethes: GNOME Shell may just take a bit of time to get used to, you can read through http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/
[16:24] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: then when you use Wine again, it's like your using for a first tmie
[16:24] <pastorbelga> !Bald Tea Obreht - The Tiger's Wife (mobi).rar
[16:24] <edwardpatch> so
[16:24] <edwardpatch> delete ir
[16:24] <edwardpatch> it
[16:24] <edwardpatch> *
[16:24] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: well if you delete it, you lose everything you had in Wine yeah
[16:25] <edwardpatch> the .wine
[16:25] <sebsebseb> yep the .wine
[16:25] <edwardpatch> will it break anything
[16:25] <jbicha> instead of deleting, it may be better to just move it somewhere else
[16:25] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: any programs you installed in Wine, all of that will be gone
[16:25] <edwardpatch> ok
[16:25] <jbicha> in case you want it later!
[16:25] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: so you can just move it some wehre else, to keep all that if you want
[16:25] <edwardpatch> but i never insta;;ed any
[16:25] <sebsebseb> as I suggested earlier
[16:25] <Pici> ben_unity: If you're referring to the Sandy Bridge power regression, its listed in the release notes, more info at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/818830
[16:25] <edwardpatch> i will delete it
[16:25] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: well if there's nothing to lose from it, then just delete it
[16:25] <edwardpatch> brb
[16:26] <ben_unity> ah, thanks
[16:26] <edwardpatch> w8 how do i ge my .wine back then just uninstall it after that
[16:26] <edwardpatch> then install it
[16:26] <edwardpatch> in USC
[16:26] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: then you can remove Wine itself if you want and rei nstall yeah
[16:27] <edwardpatch> ok
[16:27] <edwardpatch> thanks
[16:27] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: sure Ubuntu Software Centre or use the termianl
[16:27] <edwardpatch> i will try now
[16:27] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: sudo apt-get purge wine
[16:27] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: sudo apt-get install wine, and make sure .wine is a new one, and yep :)
[16:27] <edwardpatch> whats purge wine
[16:27] <tarelerulz> I'm trying to control my computer via vnc ?  I have client on my phone and it works with  ip of my computer ,but when you put the host name  it don't .  Any ideas , could a firewall be turned on ?
[16:27] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: well purge or remove,  purge does config files or wahtever as well
[16:27] <usr13> mari00: what you are wanting to do can not be done with the hosts file, afik
[16:27] <arvut> aptitude <3
[16:27] <edwardpatch> ok
[16:27] <ben_unity> purge deletes all of the files, like remove, only with config file
[16:27] <theadmin> tarelerulz: Is the hostname available on your local network?
[16:27] <mari00> usr13: but i have done it before.
[16:28] <theadmin> tarelerulz: You can't access a random machine on the internet with a hostname, you know
[16:28] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: however the .wine you must move or delete that yourself
[16:28] <mari00> usr13: on my other computer i have a website that is goes directly to a specific directory under www and loads a site there.
[16:28] <edwardpatch> ok
[16:28] <mari00> i set up the domain name/address in /etc/hosts
[16:28] <edwardpatch> i cant find .win in /home/edwardpatch/
[16:28] <theadmin> edwardpatch: It's a hidden folder
[16:29] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: well if you haven't opended anything in Wine yet, there won't be one
[16:29] <theadmin> edwardpatch: Enable showing those
[16:29] <zelozelos> can someone sum up the diff between 11.04 and 11.10 (besides if its lts or whatever) does it still have unity? are there any new things?
[16:29] <edwardpatch> i know i have all hidden files open
[16:29] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: and it's a hidden foder  view > show hidden files and folders, well Nautilsu is a bit differnet in 11.10 hmm  probably teh same for this or pretty much though
[16:29] <arvut> edwardpatch: ls -Al ~
[16:29] <theadmin> edwardpatch: Just forget about it then
[16:29] <tarelerulz> Well, theadmin , I don't really know.   They are both hooked to the same router .  How would you even tell
[16:29] <edwardpatch> ok
[16:29] <somsip> mari00: you want crisis.mini.net to resolve locally to a different directory?
[16:29] <theadmin> tarelerulz: Hm, I guess that would work, let me try something
[16:29] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: whats' the problem with Wine then?
[16:29] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: have you even tried to install something in it?
[16:29] <mari00> somsip: i want crisis.mini.net to resolve to /var/www/crisis
[16:30] <edwardpatch> i have it but the audio driver went
[16:30] <edwardpatch> i cant play anygame
[16:30] <edwardpatch> nothing
[16:30] <somsip> mari00: ant me to help? We're OT. Got to private
[16:30] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: maybe you need to do something in wine config
[16:30] <edwardpatch> i have sound for ubuntu not wine
[16:30] <Lithos84> !notes | zelozelos
[16:30] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: and what game do you want to play?
[16:30] <mari00> somsip: in /var/www/crisis i have a wordpress site.
[16:30] <edwardpatch> SA-MP
[16:30] <mari00> somsip:  OT???
[16:30] <edwardpatch> played it all the time
[16:30] <sebsebseb> a 3D game? not even sure what that is
[16:30] <Guest4415> hello im just instaled xubuntu and i dont have sound why??
[16:30] <somsip> mari00: We're offtopic and it's a busy channel today. Go private
[16:30] <edwardpatch> but all sound went in wine and wont open it because of that
[16:31] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: ok try re installing .wine then
[16:31] <edwardpatch> ok
[16:31] <Lithos84> zelozelos: It isn't LTS. That will be 12.04
[16:31] <thorn> I took a screenshot of a screen glitch. how can I share it for troubleshooting?
[16:31] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: also you can get help in #winehq as well, but that channnel doesn't tend to be that active
[16:31] <mari00> somsip: thanks fo rthe offer!   i actually have run out of time for the moment, so i'll have to jump on later
[16:31] <sebsebseb> well last itme I was there anwyay
[16:31] <mari00> but thank you, and thanks everyone else for the help.
[16:31] <somsip> mari00: up to you
[16:31] <mari00> have a good one
[16:31] <Guest4415> somebady can help me?
[16:32] <sebsebseb> !ask | Guest4415
[16:32] <edwardpatch> ok
[16:32] <Guest4415> why i dont have sound in xubuntu??
[16:32] <sebsebseb> Guest4415: may be worth asking this in #xubuntu
[16:33] <DasEi> !sound > Guest4415
[16:33] <usr13> mari00: Well, it would then have to be the only site your webserver hosts and, well I've never done that so not sure how to.  NOw you can probably do it with iptables, but... this is a matter that is handled by the nameserver and the hosts file and you have to trick your computer into a different way of resolving the host name.
[16:35] <DasEi> Guest4415: I can have a look in #xubuntu, if you like
[16:35] <edwardpatch> its installing now
[16:36] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: ok
[16:37] <edwardpatch> how do i make it go red my txt
[16:37] <thorn> !freedom
[16:37] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: type the first few letters of someones name and hit tab
[16:37] <sebsebseb> !tab | edwardpatch
[16:37] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: you high lighto smeone useauly when using their name on IRC
[16:38] <edwardpatch> sebsebseb, , ok i got it
[16:38] <edwardpatch> sebsebseb, ok i got it its not red
[16:39] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: for me those two messages were read
[16:39] <sebsebseb> red
[16:39] <sebsebseb> since you high lighted me
[16:39] <pdtpatrick> wow there's so many downloading 11.10 -- :)
[16:39] <okCPU> so if ext-fs doesn't store creation time, why does ls -la print out a date field? what exactly does it represent?
[16:39] <sebsebseb> pdtpatrick: of course
[16:39] <edwardpatch> sebsebseb,  oh and for me grey
[16:39] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: yep depends on the cilent, what  colour you get
[16:39] <sebsebseb> and how it's set up
[16:39] <mix22891> l
[16:39] <DasEi> pdtpatrick: it stores last access
[16:39] <llutz> okCPU: mtime
[16:40] <MeanEYE> For some strange reason Ubuntu 11.10 installer won't let me check "Log in automatically". Any ideas?
[16:40] <edwardpatch> sebsebseb, ok i installed wine but now /home/edwardpatch/.wine folder
[16:40] <mix22891> hello, there are error with the Kazam program, i can't upload videos to youtube
[16:40] <shazzr> Are there any known issues with empathy? I can't make any changes to the settings.
[16:41] <heoa_> how to kill freezed commands? ...as even "sudo su" is frozen...
[16:41] <daviddoria> I have two monitors. I would like to rotate one of them 90 degrees. I don't see this option in either the NVidia settings or the System Settings -> Displays of Ubuntu 11.10 - can anyone suggest how to do this?
[16:41] <okCPU> llutz: any utils that can calculate create time from m c or a time?
[16:41] <heoa_> pkill thatDamnInfiniteLoop...
[16:41] <llutz> okCPU: nope
[16:42] <okCPU> llutz: so there is no way at all to get the create time unless i setup a process that listens to the mtime of a directory and manually stores it?
[16:42] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: yep
[16:42] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: now you can try your program again in Wine, and find out what happens
[16:42] <sebsebseb> edwardpatch: probably same as before though
[16:42] <DasEi> heoa_: depends, tried to ctrl-c it ? else by killall <appName> or kill <PID>
[16:42] <llutz> okCPU: yep. ext4 has the ability to store creation-date but it isn't used yet
[16:43] <vega-> daviddoria: hardly, when even twinview doesn't work properly in oneiric ...
[16:43] <somsip> okCPU: change your fstab to not use defaults and change the mount options manually
[16:43] <vega-> overall, oneiric dual screen experience is not good = doesn't work
[16:43] <jrib>  heoa_ you shouldn't "sudo su"
[16:43] <godzuki> Woohoo! New release
[16:44] <jrib> okCPU: or write a new filesystem I guess
[16:44] <kermit> where can i find a patch that would be on patchwork.kernel.org, which is down?
[16:44] <heoa_> DasEi: for sure and many times!
[16:44] <heoa_> DasEi: even ^C ^Z, not working...
[16:45] <okCPU> jrib: lol... uh, no
[16:45] <mix22891> hello, there are error with the Kazam program, i can't upload videos to youtube
[16:45] <boba> kermit: What patch are you looking for?
[16:45] <phibxr> After the latest round of updates to 11.10, the Dash actually opens *behind* everything else in Unity 3D. Anyone else seen that issue?
[16:45] <DasEi> heoa_: did you find the process causing the freeze ? (via htop .f.e., or syslog) ?
[16:45] <daviddoria> vega-,  are these known issues they are working on?
[16:45] <kermit> boba: 857442
[16:46] <jrib> okCPU: why do you want creation time?
[16:46] <heoa_> DasEi: I will if you tell more
[16:46] <okCPU> jrib: need to suck down files that were added via ftp from the last week
[16:46] <heoa_> DasEi: I did just in /proc, $grep -r temperature *
[16:47] <heoa_> orr withotu *
[16:47] <wang_> hello, I keep getting W: GPG error: http://archive.canonical.com oneiric Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[16:47] <wang_>  when I run apt-get update
[16:47] <wang_> anyone have any suggestions hhow to fix that?
[16:47] <DasEi> heoa_: if you got unresponsibness, there will me a reason, aka something hangs
[16:47] <heoa_> $ grep -r temperature *     in /proc was the command
[16:48] <heoa_> DasEi: the reason is probably that /proc is a virtual somethnig and it regenerates apparently things all the time...so it will never end...or
[16:48] <heoa_> ?
[16:48] <rhizmoe> my new band name: the virtual somethings
[16:48] <heoa_> DasEi: very well amount of fs and dirs is finite ... but not sure about the content...
[16:48] <wang_> anyone?
[16:49] <wang_> I can't run apt-get at all now..
[16:49] <jrib> llutz: ah you're right crtime is stored on ext4 and one can actually get at it using debugfs
[16:49] <heoa_> DasEi: because "files" are not really files there everytime (although they look like that)
[16:49] <mix22891> can i get some help here or what?????????????????????/
[16:49] <heoa_> mix22891: use less questions mark, plz.
[16:49] <somsip> !ask > mix22891
[16:49] <mix22891> there is an error with the Kazam program, i can't upload videos to youtube
[16:49] <kristianpaul> Can i upgrade to ubuntu 11.10 from a cd?
[16:50] <theadmin> !alternate | kristianpaul
[16:50] <llutz> jrib: it'll take some time since all the other tools make use of it i'd guess
[16:50] <DasEi> heoa_: they get filled at everrytime again, right
[16:50] <tacomaster> i was wondering i dont really mind unity but i absolutly hate when i dont choose ubuntu classic that my program options are at the top and not on the program is there a way to fix this?
[16:50] <Lithos84> kristianpaul: Only with text install CD.
[16:50] <kristianpaul> Lithos84: there instructions about it?
[16:50] <maulana> how i find visual effect for aktif desktop effect on ubuntu 11.04
[16:50] <somsip> tacomaster: you want to remove global menu? What version?
[16:50] <boba> kermit: https://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=commitdiff;h=d179e84ba5da1d0024087d1759a2938817a00f3f
[16:50] <Efrin> is it possible to return to classic gnome theme in ubuntu 11.10?
[16:51] <n1ko> anyone have any clues why netatalk is borked? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netatalk/+bug/810732 and for myself http://pastebin.com/ayrhWaNb. Same thing happens even when using (self) compiled 2.2.0
[16:51] <kristianpaul> I mean i for that alternate cd and...
[16:51] <sebsebseb> boba: no
[16:51] <somsip> !nounity > Elfix
[16:51] <sebsebseb> Efrin: no
[16:51] <tacomaster> somsip: i just upgraded to 11.10
[16:51] <wang_> anyone having the badsig issue? I tried the import and it doesn't work
[16:51] <tacomaster> somsip: but it was the same in 11.04
[16:51] <kermit> boba: thank you!!
[16:51] <Lithos84> !upgrade | kristianpaul
[16:51] <Promethes> how to install new applications in Gnome Shell? I don't see Ubuntu Software Center anywhere
[16:51] <kristianpaul> Thanks !
[16:51] <Efrin> sebsebseb: thanks, is unity good for programmers etc?
[16:52] <edwardpatch> yea
[16:52] <Efrin> i couldnt get used to id in 11.4
[16:52] <DasEi> heoa_: what's the r in grep for ? did you want to find files containing temperature ?
[16:52] <edwardpatch> Efrin, i know one
[16:52] <somsip> tacomaster: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/disable-appmenu-global-menu-in-ubuntu.html maybe helpful?
[16:52] <Lithos84> kristianpaul: You're welcome!
[16:52] <MeanEYE> Efrin: In 11.04 it was crappy :) software. Now it's much more decent.
[16:52] <MeanEYE> Well not crappy but unstable and unfinished
[16:52] <ugarich> hi
[16:52] <sebsebseb> Efrin: is Unit good for programmers, no not really
[16:52] <heoa_> DasEi: recursion, goes into every subdir...
[16:52] <DasEi> and $ is for prompt (no arg behind) , heoa_
[16:52] <heoa_> DasEi: quite resourcfull command...
[16:52] <edwardpatch> Efrin, WXFormBuilder does C++
[16:53] <mix22891> fu
[16:53] <DasEi> heoa_: ls -lr /proc/temperature
[16:53] <MeanEYE> sebsebseb: Hm, how do you measure if something is good for programmers or not?
[16:53] <Efrin> hmm...
[16:53] <ugarich> what is? "Cannot send to channel"
[16:54] <sebsebseb> MeanEYE: uh most of the expereinced Desktop Linux users don't like Unity, simple as that, and this is off topic
[16:54] <heoa_> DasEi: no not like that temperature is not a file
[16:54] <Abhijit> ugarich, we can read you
[16:54] <DasEi> !register | ugarich
[16:54] <wang_> okay, I get the badsig message and I tried both the instructiosn here.. and it still fails.. anyone help?
[16:54] <wang_> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-the-ubuntu-gpg-error-badsig.html
[16:54] <edwardpatch> Efrin, im using it its awsome for ubuntu it designs forms works just like ms c++
[16:54] <maulana> how i find visual effect for aktif desktop effect on ubuntu 11.04
[16:54] <heoa_> DasEi: temperature is a keyword to look for...
[16:54] <ugarich> but channel #ubuntu-ru not read
[16:54] <heoa_> DasEi: grep goes every file through to check for the word "temperature"
[16:54] <ugarich> how fix this?
[16:54] <JeremyFishCakes> for temperature I cat /proc/acpi/*/thermal
[16:54] <Efrin> edwardpatch: aight :) ill guess ill try it
[16:54] <wang_> anyone know how to fix the bad sig message in 11.10?
[16:55] <DasEi> ugarich: another irc-server I guess
[16:55] <JeremyFishCakes> I don't know how it is on ubuntu though, it's different
[16:55] <heoa_> DasEi: if the "file" is not a file it may create some special odd things...
[16:55] <reter> hello, is it possible to upgrade ubuntu using the cd?
[16:55] <jmichaelx> anyone else getting a GPG error for archive.canonical.com?
[16:55] <kristianpaul> Thanks, bye !
[16:55] <heoa_> DasEi: practially meaning that I am running my comp now on ice path...
[16:55] <theadmin> !alternate | reter
[16:55] <edwardpatch> Efrin, do u want to learn program languages and how to make games just join my company if u want mgcompany.zzl.org
[16:56] <Pici> edwardpatch: Please do not advertise in this channel.
[16:56] <reter> theadmin: it does the same of update manager?
[16:56] <daviddoria> when I turn my resolution up really high (2560x1600), everything looks terrible. Everything is the right size (the resolution seems to have actually been set properly), but fonts are barely readable unless I "zoom in" (ctrl+) a few times to make them bigger. Is this normal?
[16:56] <DasEi> heoa_: cat file | grep expression ? I still don't understand
[16:56] <Abhijit> jmichaelx, yes
[16:56] <edwardpatch> Efrin, and itsyoursite link in forum k
[16:56] <vivid> anyone else getting BADSIG errors with archive.canonical.com?
[16:57] <Abhijit> vivid, getting gpg error
[16:57] <Abhijit> and duplicate sources.list entry
[16:57] <Islam> how to uninstall kde "kubuntu" ?
[16:57] <mrgud> hi peoples
[16:57] <Abhijit> Islam, you mean in ubuntu?
[16:57] <JeremyFishCakes> hello
[16:57] <Noble> Uhm, where did they move the font settings?
[16:57] <Islam> yeah
[16:57] <DasEi> Islam: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[16:57] <Abhijit> Islam, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[16:57] <wang_> vivid, eyes and none of the instructions on the web works
[16:57] <mrgud> what s up
[16:57] <edwardpatch> Pici, ok i wont do it again and i was not tring to advirtise anything i was tring to help :)
[16:57] <Islam> I wanna uninstall it
[16:57] <rhizmoe> hrm. kernel 3.0
[16:57] <Islam> I already have ot
[16:58] <Abhijit> oh
[16:58] <DasEi> !support > mrgud
[16:58] <JeremyFishCakes> The entire distribution or just the KDE part? Confusing question.
[16:58] <vivid> yea, i tried the suggested fixes, removing it from /var/lib/apt/lists but it doesnt work for archive.canonical.com....did they change their GPG key?
[16:58] <wang_> not sure
[16:58] <DasEi> vivid: exact error message ?
[16:58] <Abhijit> Islam, http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome use with care and only if you know what you are doing. this thing broke my whole system a while ago. i need to reinstall who os
[16:58] <Abhijit> whole*
[16:59] <CodeOmegaPrime> I prest alt-f2 in Classic Desktop mode and typed unity to fix memory leak issues like the instructions online and now the classic desktop is loading unity when I login how can I reverse this?
[16:59] <tacomaster> ok i forgot who i was talking to about global menus and how to disable but ty so much for helping me fix that it is much better now
[16:59] <wang_> DasEi, I have the same issue: W: GPG error: http://archive.canonical.com oneiric Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[16:59] <vivid> DasEi, W: GPG error: http://archive.canonical.com oneiric Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[16:59] <somsip> tacomaster: np
[16:59] <edwardpatch> bye everyone
[16:59] <Islam> I dont know what I'm doing rofl
[16:59] <Islam> thats why I'm asking
[16:59] <wang_> DasEi, I have tried to import the key from the keyserver like: sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com  40976EAF437D05B5
[16:59] <owner> hey
[16:59] <wang_> DasEi, and also removing /var/lib/apt/lists and redownloading the update
[17:00] <DasEi> wang,vivid: tried : .. I see, don't know then
[17:00] <vivid> they must have changed the key, because removing the entries in /var/lib/apt/lists worked for the other gpg errors
[17:00] <Abhijit> Islam, then do sudo apt-get remove --purge kubuntu-desktop
[17:00] <Islam> this will remove it ?
[17:00] <JeremyFishCakes> Islam: Why do you want to remove the whole of KDE if you don't know what you're doing?
[17:01] <chrisinleedsuk> Hi
[17:01] <new2net> I accidentally changed back to the classic menu, how do I switch back to Unity?
[17:01] <DasEi> wang,vivid: first hit on google: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/24061
[17:01] <rahul> Please help
[17:01] <rahul> Error authenticating some packages  It was not possible to authenticate some packages. This may be a transient network problem. You may want to try again later. See below for a list of unauthenticated packages. what do i do!!
[17:01] <Noble> Haha, 3 minutes in and it crashes. Epic.
[17:01] <Islam> I dont use the kde, n its making the laptop take too much time while loging in
[17:01] <chrisinleedsuk> I'm a complete noob trying to get sound to work on laptop
[17:01] <wang_> I'm not behind a proxy..
[17:01] <chrisinleedsuk> Can anyone help mE?
[17:01] <CodeOmegaPrime> This issue seems like it should just be running a command to reverse call unity in the classic desktop can anyone help?
[17:02] <wang_> DasEi, I looked at that and I'm not behind a proxy at all
[17:02] <heoa_> all of my programs freeze, why?
[17:02] <heoa_> how can I unfreeze commands...
[17:02] <heoa_> pkill prog does not work, neither kill id
[17:02] <DasEi> wang_: read the link ? tried the workaround at all ?
[17:02] <aceh> hallo am used ubuntu 11.04 but my gnome-panel is gone how i can used it again, am used terminal allways for open my gnome-panel any body can help me
[17:02] <theadmin> CodeOmegaPrime: Can you try "unity --reset"?
[17:02] <somsip> heoa_: many reasons. My last reason turned out to be a dying HD. Check dmesg for I/O errors maybe?
[17:02] <CodeOmegaPrime> theadmin let me try hold on
[17:02] <theadmin> !classic | aceh
[17:03] <new2net> heoa_: kill -9 id
[17:03] <vivid> DasEi, those recommended fixes, like i said, worked for all the other archive signing errors, but not the partner repository
[17:03] <chrisinleedsuk> How do I install drivers for yamaha opl3-sa3 soundcard?
[17:03] <terminat0r> hi I'm having a problem installing broadcom drivers on an offline system.  I am trying to install  firmware-b43-installer.deb via usb drive but it tries to wget braodcom-wl which I downloaded manually but I do not know how to tell dpkg to find the find locally
[17:03] <vivid> ill just disable it for now and try again later
[17:03] <JeremyFishCakes> Islam: Using apt-get remove to get rid of everything should be okay if you have other sessions available to use at login
[17:03] <wang_> DasEi, I have tried all the work arounds except one.. someone said it worked for them 4 days later (that one)
[17:03] <okCPU> jrib, llutz if you are interested... i found inotify and it works well for my problem domain http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jaunty/man7/inotify.7.html
[17:03] <rahul> Error authenticating some packages  It was not possible to authenticate some packages. This may be a transient network problem. You may want to try again later. See below for a list of unauthenticated packages. what do i do!!
[17:03] <aceh> theadmin, but am need used ubuntu moderen no clisic
[17:03] <CodeOmegaPrime> theadmin No dice still showing unity
[17:03] <Islam> so what would the all command be ?
[17:04] <heoa_> somsip: yes it must be case, tell more
[17:04] <chrisinleedsuk> How do I install drivers for yamaha opl3-sa3 soundcard?
[17:04] <Islam> and yes I have the gnome
[17:04] <heoa_> new2net: not working...
[17:04] <theadmin> aceh: Ubuntu Classic uses gnome-panel, that's the only difference
[17:04] <DasEi> vivid: I'm currently not using unity, might try to go to repogen, all my natty releases go fine with that keys
[17:04] <JeremyFishCakes> islam: are you on 11.04?
[17:04] <Islam> yeah
[17:04] <heoa_> somsip: I/O errors where?
[17:04] <jrib> okCPU: how would it help with finding files created less than a week ago though?
[17:04] <somsip> heoa_: dmesg
[17:04] <aceh> but how make my ubuntu standar with unity fitur
[17:05] <DasEi> vivid: http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[17:05] <Islam> I'm having a problem on upgrading to 11.10
[17:05] <chrisinleedsuk> How do I install drivers for yamaha opl3-sa3 soundcard?
[17:05] <new2net> heoa_: I've never seen kill -9 pid not work, maybe run it as root (sudo)
[17:05] <rahul> command to upgrade
[17:05] <heoa_> new2net: not working
[17:05] <vivid> DasEi, i dont think it has anything to do with unity, im in a terminal running these commands
[17:05] <rahul> to 11.19
[17:05] <aaabbbccc> hello everyone
[17:05] <rahul> 11.10*
[17:05] <theadmin> rahul: sudo do-release-upgrade
[17:05] <Pici> !enter
[17:05] <heoa_> new2net: sudo freezes, everything freezes....this must be a prob with my hd
[17:05] <vivid> ill just wait until later
[17:05] <rahul> command to upgrade to 11.10
[17:05] <okCPU> jrib: well, it doesn't... but i can watch a folder and record when things happen... which is virtually the same thing
[17:05] <JeremyFishCakes> islam: the site someone linked you to earlier had it all ready to copy and paste
[17:05] <chrisinleedsuk> How do I install drivers for yamaha opl3-sa3 soundcard?
[17:05] <Islam> but he says its not safe
[17:05] <DasEi> vivid: no gui ?
[17:05] <Pici> !who | Islam
[17:05] <Islam> should I use that command ?
[17:06] <JeremyFishCakes> islam: Did you install kubuntu? Or another ubuntu and then add KDE?
[17:06] <vivid> DasEi, i have a gui yes, but im using a terminal, apt has nothing little to do with the gui :p
[17:06] <heoa_> new2net: somsip kernel hung...
[17:06] <chrisinleedsuk> Can anyone help me please?
[17:06] <chrisinleedsuk> Can anyone help me please?
[17:06] <chrisinleedsuk> How do I install drivers for yamaha opl3-sa3 soundcard?
[17:06] <aaabbbccc> probably bad timing considering the new release, but I have a question about mail-stack-delivery
[17:06] <theadmin> GirlyGirl: hey.
[17:06] <aeon-ltd> chrisinleedsuk: if someone knew how they would respond
[17:07] <DasEi> vivid: I asked 'cause of browsing repogen, re-doing sources/keys
[17:07] <somsip> heoa_: well, maybe you found the next thing to check, but I'm not sure how much I can help
[17:07] <heoa_> new2net: somsip some odd kernel 8bit msg
[17:07] <GirlyGirl> theadmin: Hi
[17:07] <emorris> heoa_, I think I had a similar problem a while ago. Replacing my hard disk fixed it
[17:07] <aaabbbccc> 01-mail-stack-delivery.auth is not loaded after a recent update (i was using 11.10 beta)
[17:07] <Pici> aaabbbccc: #ubuntu-server is quieter and probably more on-topic for your question...
[17:07] <chrisinleedsuk> aeon-ltd: fair enough
[17:07] <heoa_> emorris: where did you get your new hdd? I need a new disk for x60s laptop...
[17:07] <Islam> JeremyFishCakes: I have ubuntu 11.04 then I searched kubuntu on the softwear center and then installed it
[17:07] <aaabbbccc> great thanks Pici
[17:07] <Noble> Faantastic, no font setting utility? Why did they remove that one? How can I set the unity launcher not to autododge?
[17:07] <heoa_> emorris: damn slow to do anything with this dead machine...
[17:07] <emorris> heoa_, I got it through RMA from seagate. It was still in warranty
[17:08] <terminat0r> dpkg is trying to download a file via wget, is there a way I could manually download that file and have dpkg find it?
[17:08] <heoa_> emorris: my box about 3 years old, no receipt...no idea about warranties..
[17:08] <JeremyFishCakes> islam: it might be a better idea to just go into software centre, find it in the installed software part and remove it
[17:08] <DasEi> terminat0r: a deb ?
[17:08] <terminat0r> DasEi: yes!
[17:08] <Islam> thanx JeremyFishCakes
[17:08] <theadmin> GirlyGirl: Mind if I pm you...?
[17:08] <Islam> I'll try it now,
[17:09] <dr_willis> terminat0r:  put it in /var/cache/apt i think
[17:09] <terminat0r> dr_willis: ill try that
[17:09] <JeremyFishCakes> islam: that's okay
[17:09] <dr_willis> or was it apt cache
[17:09] <emorris> heoa_, if you've not changed your hard disk since you got it then the warranty may be with the computer manufacturer. Although you could have a look at the disk for the manufacturer and serial number
[17:09] <DasEi> terminat0r: mkdir dlDir , cd dlDir, wget http://deb_address/your.deb && sudo dpkg -I your.deb
[17:10] <GirlyGirl> terror__:
[17:10] <GirlyGirl> theadmin: no
[17:10] <theadmin> GirlyGirl: "no" as in "I don't mind"?
[17:10] <DasEi> oversee the highlited in the above,
[17:10] <terminat0r> DasEi: actually the file its trying to dl is a tar
[17:10] <emorris> dr_willis, DasEi, I thing terminat0r is talking about when a deb e.g. flash or corefonts downloads something with wget
[17:10] <GirlyGirl> theadmin: yes
[17:10] <DasEi> !compile | terminat0r
[17:10] <emorris> not the deb itself
[17:11] <DasEi> terminat0r: which soft ?
[17:11] <aleksandrit> has someone already figured out how to set up l2tp in new ubuntu?
[17:11] <terminat0r> I'm just trying to install broadcom wl drivers on an offline system
[17:11] <mokoloko> http://www.ubuntu.com/sites/www.ubuntu.com/files/active/musiclens.jpg :D doesn't really give that good impression of the search abilities
[17:11] <DasEi> !broadcom > terminat0r
[17:11] <terminat0r> DasEi: firmware-b43-installer on natty  the file its trying to wget is bradcom-wl.tar.b2z
[17:12] <djazz> why can't I open .deb files with software manager?
[17:12] <djazz> must I use "sudo dpkg -i <deb>"?
[17:12] <CodeOmegaPrime> theadmin is there anyway to reset classic desktop?
[17:12] <coolfire> can i download screen saver for ubuntu 10.04
[17:12] <theadmin> CodeOmegaPrime: Um... Not that I know of...
[17:12] <theadmin> coolfire: There's a bunch at gnome-look.org I think
[17:12] <DasEi> terminat0r: yes, see the tips in link, d/l it to your current box, then copy manually (usb..) to "dead" box
[17:13] <CodeOmegaPrime> there has to be a way to reset the settings though so that unity does not load on classic desktop, I would think.
[17:13] <coolfire> you have link specific
[17:13] <Pici> djazz: Just double click on them or run them with gdebi
[17:14] <DasEi> terminat0r: the brodcom one has no wired nic ?
[17:14] <IronSight> what's the command line way to dist upgrade?
[17:14] <emorris> IronSight, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:14] <theadmin> IronSight: sudo do-release-upgrade
[17:14] <emorris> oh, that
[17:14] <djazz> Pici: gdebi isnt defalt, why?
[17:14] <Pici> IronSight: it depends whether you want to upgrade to a new release or just do a dist-upgrade.
[17:14] <DasEi> IronSight: listen theadmin
[17:14] <linuxlainen> hi
[17:14] <Pici> djazz: I don't know. I thought it was previously.
[17:14] <djazz> im using 11.19
[17:15] <djazz> 10*
[17:15] <chrono86> so does anyone else think the new nautilus is erm..ugly? the way the sidepane cuts up towards the titlebar bothers me
[17:15] <Atlantic777> How are unity and screenlets getting together?
[17:15] <linuxlainen> any idea where can I get ubuntu  11.10 minimal CD?
[17:15] <Atlantic777> Are there some problems.
[17:15] <DasEi> chrono86: poll here, yes, I went debian/lubuntu
[17:15] <mang0> Should I update to 11.10? Or should I stick to 11.04....
[17:15] <mang0> If I update will i lose my themes and programs and stuff?
[17:15] <ryann> !nounity | sebsebseb
[17:16] <theadmin> mang0: Nope, you won't
[17:16] <theadmin> mang0: The only stuff you'll lose is the precious disk space
[17:16] <chrono86> DasEi: i won't go lubuntu because i don't like lxde...i really do love unity i just wish nautilus hadn't been "uglified"
[17:16] <mang0> theadmin: How much diskspace? And what's differant about 11.10, is it worth updating?
[17:17] <JeremyFishCakes> chrono86, tried nautilus elementary?
[17:17] <DasEi> chrono86: I see, but let's (if so) keep it out here (#ubuntu-offtopic)
[17:17] <theadmin> mang0: I'm not sure, I haven't used Ubuntu since 10.10
[17:17] <terminat0r> DasEi: no wired connection in the office
[17:17] <chrono86> JeremyFishCakes: yes I use nautilus elementary but that doesn't really fix the redesign of the new nautilus from what i see
[17:17] <mang0> theadmin: OIC
[17:17] <love> Still got 42 mins to go here
[17:17] <DasEi> terminat0r: I understand, well then manually copying or another (pcmia) solution
[17:17] <djazz> Pici: http://i.imgur.com/Vt247.png
[17:17] <linuxlainen> any idea if minimal install CD is out for 11.10?
[17:18] <djazz> using software center
[17:18] <cntrational> how do you change your icon set on 11.10?
[17:18] <DasEi> linuxlainen: yes
[17:18] <JeremyFishCakes> chrono86, I haven't seen it. Plenty of other file managers out there if it's that bad though.
[17:19] <djazz> Pici: gdebi is not installed
[17:19] <djazz> i installed gdebi-core
[17:19] <linuxlainen> DasEi: anu idea where to get it from?
[17:20] <trism> cntrational: gnome-tweak-tool has several theme settings including icon theme, or you can do it directly with gsettings: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface icon-theme 'ThemeName'
[17:20] <djazz> oups, not core
[17:20] <okCPU> jrib: and the saga continues... node.js non-blocking solution "npm install watch"
[17:20] <linuxlainen> couldn't find it on ubuntyu's page
[17:20] <djazz> i see a frozen scrollbar in the middle of the terminal
[17:20] <cntrational> trism: but what about with the default stuff?
[17:20] <djazz> :P
[17:20] <trism> cntrational: default stuff?
[17:20] <mang0> How much more disk space would I have to use up if I sudo do-release-upgrade?
[17:20] <cntrational> trism: as in, without installing new packages
[17:21] <Mneumonic> Is anyone in here running 11.10 on a laptop with switchable graphics?
[17:21] <Mneumonic> I can't get the catalyst to install
[17:21] <chrono86> JeremyFishCakes: yeah i really do love nautilus elementary the best and unfortunatly you can't install an older version of nautilus in 11.10 thanks to gtk2 vs gtk3 issues it seems...*
[17:21] <Atlantic777> Can you suggest me any gadget system for unity. Something other than plasma?
[17:21] <linuxlainen> I only found Beta
[17:22] <linuxlainen> but in need for the official release
[17:22] <goltoof> nautilus freezing if i'm not root... that is all
[17:22] <mang0> What's differant about 11.10 to 11.04?
[17:22] <goltoof> reinstall does nothing
[17:22] <djazz> how weird, i cant use a command for defaule open file type
[17:22] <trism> cntrational: the appearance dialog was removed in gnome 3 and hasn't be reimplemented yet (except for background settings and a hardcoded list of themes)
[17:22] <Islam> I have a problem with the upgrade to 11.10 thats the error I get : http://paste.ubuntu.com/707456/
[17:22] <cntrational> trism: wut
[17:22] <cntrational> trism: weird
[17:22] <djazz> how am I supposed to install .debs without terminal?
[17:22] <djazz> just saying
[17:22] <djazz> :P
[17:23] <theadmin> djazz: You can use gdebi-gtk
[17:23] <djazz> in 11.10
[17:23] <theadmin> djazz: Used to come with Ubuntu, probably still in the repos
[17:23] <djazz> GDEBI IS NOT DEFAULT
[17:23] <rigved> goltoof: ya, there is a bug with nautilus. it crashes sometimes with a seg fault.
[17:23] <chrono86> so has there been any major griping over the dumbing down of the appearance settings in here yet?
[17:23] <DasEi> linuxlainen: second, I just had it for d/l an hour ago, will find back
[17:23] <djazz> i didnt found gdebi in software center
[17:23] <djazz> i used apt-get
[17:24] <rigved> djazz: now, the ubuntu software center can install .deb files located on your hard disk.
[17:24] <linuxlainen> thank you DasEi
[17:24] <djazz> i said thats the problem
[17:24] <djazz> saw the image, rigved?
[17:24] <djazz> http://i.imgur.com/Vt247.png
[17:24] <thorn> !onirc
[17:24] <DasEi> linuxlainen: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[17:24] <goltoof> rigved: so this is a common thing atm?  i'm on 10.04 amd 64
[17:25] <DasEi> linuxlainen: , no, thats natty
[17:25] <hysteriax> hey guys anyone else having an issue with apt??
[17:25] <thorn> when's oneiric going to be available for download?
[17:25] <thorn> !nasty
[17:25] <rigved> djazz: no. i have not.
[17:25] <goltoof> rigved: anything else i can try, i'd really like to use anutilus, unless there's a good alt?
[17:25] <CodeOmegaPrime> theadmin is there a way to just uninstall unity without any repercussions?
[17:25] <djazz> rigved: http://i.imgur.com/Vt247.png
[17:25] <theadmin> CodeOmegaPrime: I think you can do "apt-get remove unity" or somesuch
[17:25] <rigved> goltoof: the bug which i am talking about refers to oneiric. not to lucid.
[17:25] <linuxlainen> DasEi: this is for Natty
[17:25] <NoelJB> chrono86, yeah, but since this a "support" channel not a "product" channel., people consider any suggestion that there might be usability issues to be off-topic.
[17:26] <goltoof> rigved: oic
[17:26] <linuxlainen> 11.04 not 11.10
[17:26] <DrShoggoth> seriously?  no more classic?
[17:26] <fmscott1> quit
[17:26] <NoelJB> DrShoggoth, seriously.
[17:26] <DrShoggoth> how can i turn unity off?
[17:26] <necromancer> what's the difference between ubuntu and ubuntu server?
[17:26] <Industrial> After updating xubuntu to 11.10, the Software Center interface now sucks. To be more specific: It collapses everything when an item is done. You lose focus of where you are in the list and you need to get back to the point where you were.
[17:26] <chrono86> NoelJB: ah ok thanks
[17:26] <Industrial> try racking up 5 programs to uninstall
[17:26] <theadmin> necromancer: Server comes without a graphical interface
[17:26] <Industrial> and then continue browsing
[17:26] <Industrial> its not possible
[17:26] <FloodBot1> Industrial: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:26] <necromancer> wonderful
[17:26] <thorn> tut tut tut
[17:27] <NoelJB> DrShoggoth, you can switch to Gnome Shell, but it sucks worse, or you can switch to KDE, or you can learn to live with and adapt to Unity.
[17:27] <goltoof> necromancer:  one cli with lamp, other is desktop
[17:27] <DasEi> linuxlainen: for 386 ? ;; yes, saw my mistake; 386 ?
[17:27] <Stradivarius> where can i find the md5 hash for ubuntu desktop 11.10 64 bit?
[17:27] <Industrial> I'd rather use apt-get for this
[17:27] <Industrial> ><
[17:27] <DETERMINOLOGY> Quick ? how do you change themes other then going to apperences and seeing only 4 themes ?
[17:27] <linuxlainen> Islam: you probably need to uninstall these apps first
[17:27] <DasEi> linuxlainen: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[17:27] <necromancer> cool
[17:27] <NoelJB> DrShoggoth, Unity has potential, so I'll give it a bit more of a shot to see how it evolves.
[17:27] <DasEi> linuxlainen: choose yourself there
[17:27] <chrono86> I really do love Unity
[17:27] <rigved> djazz: and what is the problem with using the terminal/dpkg?
[17:27] <djazz> rigved: http://i.imgur.com/acnHk.png (Lägg till means Add)
[17:28] <trism> DrShoggoth: you can install gnome-panel and you will have an experience similar to classic, but not exactly the same, being gnome 3 (remember to press alt before editing your panel)
[17:28] <hysteriax> I hate Unity
[17:28] <linuxlainen> DsEi: 64bit is what I am looking for
[17:28] <goltoof> apt-get remove --purge nautilus*  bad idea?
[17:28] <hysteriax> I'm still on 10.10
[17:28] <linuxlainen> will check it now thanks
[17:28] <djazz> rigved: new users to ubuntu?
[17:28] <DasEi> Stradivarius: at the d/l location
[17:28] <DasEi> !md5sum
[17:28] <Islam> linuxlainen: thanx mate, thats what I'm trying now
[17:28] <djazz> i know how to use terminal, new users dont
[17:28] <cdavis> How does one change the font in oneric?
[17:28] <jmichaelx> does anyone know what the deal is with the GPG error? any workarounds?
[17:28] <jerecoh> anyone else having an error while updating to 11.10 where 'ubuntu-minimal' is missing so the update crashes?
[17:28] <thorn> I want to share a screenshot without creating an account somewhere, how can I do that?
[17:28] <DasEi> linuxlainen: found your need ?
[17:29] <DasEi> !imagebin
[17:29] <bashelina> The new upgrade to 11.10 just removed my gnome classic !!!  i dont want crappy unity.. how to install metacity and gnome2  ??++
[17:29] <theadmin> thorn: http://imm.io
[17:29] <linuxlainen> DasEi: I'm afraid not :(
[17:29] <thorn> thanks
[17:29] <jrib> !nounity | bashelina
[17:29] <theadmin> bashelina: You can't, Gnome 2 is no longer available.
[17:29] <djazz> how do i install gnome shell in 11.10?
[17:29] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, either delete it or just ignore it til canonical partners fixes the GPG
[17:29] <DasEi> linuxlainen: oneiric, 386 or 64 bit mini ?
[17:29] <NoelJB> bashelina, official answer seems to be: "tough.  gnome classic is dead by fiat.  move on"
[17:29] <theadmin> djazz: apt-get install gnome-shell
[17:29] <djazz> ;)
[17:29] <rigved> djazz: can you still try using the terminal. i do not know how to solve your software center/gdebi problem.
[17:30] <histo> djazz: read right above
[17:30] <joan> hi everyone!
[17:30] <linuxlainen> DasEi: 64 bit min
[17:30] <Stradivarius> Thanks, DasEi
[17:30] <djazz> rigved: what happens if you open a .deb with softwarecenter?
[17:30] <goltoof> nautilus freezes when not root....  anything i can check?
[17:30] <djazz> version?
[17:30] <kermit>   python-xen-3.3: Depends: python (< 2.7) but 2.7.1-0ubuntu5 is installed ... should i downgrade python? how do i do that?
[17:30] <thorn> http://imm.io/ahBs
[17:30] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i supposed upgrading with the partners repo disabled will not likely cause breakages when upgrading?
[17:31] <DasEi> linuxlainen: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[17:31] <rigved> djazz: i get information about the package and i can click on the install button to install.
[17:31] <goltoof> lucid 64
[17:31] <djazz> version?
[17:31] <thorn> dammit, can't read any responses...
[17:31] <joan> my ecryptfs says this on dmesg: Valid eCryptfs headers not found in file header region or xattr region [next] Either the lower file is not in a valid eCryptfs format, or the key could not be retrieved. Plaintext passthrough mode is not enabled; returning -EIO
[17:31] <goltoof> ..?
[17:31] <Mneumonic> Is anyone in here running 11.10 on a laptop with switchable graphics?
[17:31] <djazz> rigved: version?
[17:31] <djazz> ubuntu version
[17:31] <rigved> djazz: 5.0.1.4
[17:32] <BluesKaj>  jmichaelx well ,if the repos doesn't work I don't suppose it will cause any damage
[17:32] <rigved> djazz: ohh. oneiric
[17:32] <DasEi> linuxlainen: you can either click on it or d/l it by wget from terminal now :)
[17:32] <djazz> hmmm
[17:32] <goltoof> lucid 64
[17:32] <linuxlainen> DasEi: Thanks a lot
[17:32] <rigved> djazz: file a bug.
[17:32] <djazz> rigved: i have never been able to install .debs with software center, any ubuntu version
[17:32] <joan> any ecryptfs guru here?
[17:32] <djazz> i use gdebi or dpkg
[17:32] <linuxlainen> downloading now :)
[17:33] <DasEi> linuxlainen: my stupidity to just having cache cleared
[17:33] <djazz> hmm
[17:33] <jerecoh> Im having some trouble upgrading to oneric from natty... it says 'ubuntu-minimal' no longer exists, and thene crashes half way through the upgrade. It been reported a few times already, is there any workaround/ am i doing anything wrong?
[17:33] <rigved> djazz: in oneiric, gdebi is removed because software-center can install local .deb files.
[17:33] <linuxlainen> ;)
[17:33] <djazz> gdebi says its broken/unreadable :s
[17:33] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i was only wondering about possible breakages.... since commenting out repos that are being used can obviously do that at times
[17:33] <joan> jerecoh: uninstall metapackage ubuntu-minimal and install plain ubuntu should solve the problem...
[17:34] <NoelJB> trism, do you have gnome-panel running?  Do you know if it also shares the Gnome 3 limitation that only JavaScript works, or does it support Gnome v2 applets?
[17:34] <rigved> djazz: please check the file. make sure it's been downloaded properly. maybe md5sums etc.
[17:34] <joan> jerecoh: if that's a solution for you
[17:34] <goltoof> nautilus freezes when not root....  anything i can check?
[17:34] <necromancer> does ubuntu 11 take up more memory than ubuntu 8?
[17:34] <jmichaelx> i suppose with the sort of stuff provided by partners, it's not likely that anything will get broken
[17:34] <djazz> rigved: how do i check md5?
[17:34] <necromancer> memory/HD space*
[17:34] <necromancer> server
[17:34] <joan> goltoof: check your user perms on your home directory
[17:34] <jerecoh> but how would I do that? sorry, still adjusting from windows 7
[17:34] <rigved> djazz: does the website provide an md5 sum?
[17:34] <DasEi> !md5sum | djazz
[17:34] <goltoof> necromancer: 8 isn't supported anymore
[17:35] <djazz> rigved: no
[17:35] <thorn> ok, look at this: http://imm.io/ahBs
[17:35] <thorn> buggy screen
[17:35] <djazz> ubottu: thx
[17:35] <trism> NoelJB: you need to port your applets to libpanelapplet-0.4 but otherwise it is the same as long as you have dbus applets and not bonobo ones (I already ported a couple, pretty straightforward)
[17:35] <bashelina> where do i find tha gnome-tweak-tool then ???????????
[17:35] <trism> NoelJB: so no javascript needed
[17:35] <aeon-ltd> necromancer: if you're concerned about hdd space start with server that will give you 'almost' the lowest footprint you could have
[17:35] <jiltdil> Hi guys hows 11.10 a am still downloading it lack of speed :(
[17:35] <djazz> DasEI: thx sry xD
[17:35] <rigved> djazz: try the chrome version in the software-center.
[17:35] <djazz> chromium?
[17:35] <Gnea> jiltdil: read a good review
[17:35] <thorn> ok, look at this: http://imm.io/ahBs I have a glitch that keeps repeating itself.
[17:35] <jerecoh> how its telling me there is a hash sum mismatch.. im just gonna reboot and see if that solves anything
[17:35] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, guess it depends whether you have packages requiring updates from that repos
[17:36] <trism> NoelJB: sorry libpanel-applet-4 (not 0.4)
[17:36] <grumbel> Is it possible to get Gnome2 on Ubuntu 11.10 or will I be forced to suffer through Unity/Gnome3?
[17:36] <joan> my ecryptfs says this on dmesg: Valid eCryptfs headers not found in file header region or xattr region [next] Either the lower file is not in a valid eCryptfs format, or the key could not be retrieved. Plaintext passthrough mode is not enabled; returning -EIO --- anyone?
[17:36] <necromancer> goltoof: thanks, didn't really help
[17:36] <djazz> rigved: i dont want chromium
[17:36] <theadmin> grumbel: Not possible
[17:36] <jiltdil> Gnea: hm it was expected  better than 11.04 :0 that's nice
[17:36] <Gnea> jiltdil: http://lunduke.com/?p=1985
[17:36] <rigved> djazz: chrome. you need to enable the google repos.
[17:36] <jiltdil> Gnea:thanks
[17:36] <necromancer> aeon-ltd: i'm running it on a VM, so i'd like the best version for that environment
[17:36] <thorn> This never happened before with previous releases of ubuntu, only with 11.04...
[17:36] <aeon-ltd> grumbel: yes you can, unisntall gnome3 install gnome2 but how long they will support it i don't know
[17:36] <necromancer> all this is doing is being a webserver for an internal, low-maintenence rails app
[17:36] <rigved> djazz: chrome. not chromium.
[17:36] <necromancer> i just can't get rvm installed on 8
[17:36] <djazz> yeah.. how.. for simple users? :P
[17:36] <Gnea> jiltdil: yeah, I'm inclined to try upgrading one machine past 8.04 now LOL
[17:36] <linuxlainen> what
[17:36] <thorn> ok, look at this: http://imm.io/ahBs I have a glitch that keeps repeating itself. This never happened before with previous releases of ubuntu, only with 11.04
[17:37] <jiltdil> Gnea: Hm i prefer  fresh installaton
[17:37] <Guest77993> Hello
[17:37] <rigved> djazz: one moment.
[17:37] <NoelJB> trism, ah, that's good news.  Compatiblity there would make Gnome suck less.
[17:37] <bashelina> how do get fallback mode ??????????
[17:37] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: those are quite the answers you've been giving, lol
[17:37] <NoelJB> grumbel, no.  no gnome v2
[17:37] <Gnea> jiltdil: fresh installations are preferable, but I like to add my comments here and there when upgrading if I notice something awry :)
[17:37] <djazz> redownloaded chrome .deb
[17:38] <bashelina> i cant find gnome-tweak-tool ???????
[17:38] <goltoof> necromancer:  um... okay, telling you that ubuntu 8 is extinct doesn't help?  i would imagine that answers your question to a certain degree
[17:38] <thorn> ok, look at this: http://imm.io/ahBs I have a glitch that keeps repeating itself. This never happened before with previous releases of ubuntu, only with 11.04. it seems to have to do with text rendering and window drawing
[17:38] <jiltdil> Gnea: )
[17:38] <aeon-ltd> necromancer: ubuntu jeos, it's designed for virtualization
[17:38] <djazz> same error :/
[17:38] <goltoof> necromancer:  out of date stuff is obviously going to perform more poorly than the new... but knock yourself out
[17:38] <necromancer> goltoof: nah not really, i'm quite aware that 8 is 3 versions behind the current
[17:38] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, some ppl have those repos enabled but never install the packages available
[17:38] <bashelina> so nobody is familiar with this unity here ???
[17:38] <chrono86> has anyone else noticed when you scrub over the network app indicator it flashes white?
[17:39] <bashelina> omg
[17:39] <Gnea> !lts
[17:39] <necromancer> goltoof: however, i am running this ubuntu on a VM server. it would be easier for everyone if its footprint was closer to that of 8 than that of windows ;)
[17:39] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: yes, definitely
[17:39] <necromancer> aeon-ltd: is this part of official ubuntu or a forked distro?
[17:39] <asdasdasdsd> Hello!
[17:39] <asdasdasdsd> I have got a question
[17:39] <jiltdil> IS 11.10 LTS?
[17:39] <asdasdasdsd> Is it out ??
[17:39] <bashelina> How do i get the classic gnome aka gnome fallaback mode in this unity interface ??
[17:40] <goltoof> necromancer:  point is, 8 is not supported, so it'd be in your best interest to ditch it
[17:40] <asdasdasdsd> jiltdil: yes it is
[17:40] <jiltdil> hm nice then
[17:40] <Gnea> goltoof: it is on the server
[17:40] <rivelov> how to get wireless lan on a m amilo 7400?
[17:40] <necromancer> goltoof: thanks for the info
[17:40] <goltoof> !hardy
[17:40] <aeon-ltd> necromancer: official i assume because this --> https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/serverguide/C/jeos-and-vmbuilder.html
[17:41] <Pici> jiltdil, asdasdasdsd: 11.10 is not an LTS release.
[17:41] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, I guess to be semi-safe right now , install from source if available :)
[17:41] <Gnea> jiltdil: no
[17:41] <necromancer> aeon-ltd: that's interesting...JeOS is running 8.04 hardy
[17:41] <goltoof> Gnea:  forgot about the server bit :)
[17:41] <asdasdasdsd> Is it out ?? ubuntu 11.10
[17:41] <necromancer> aeon-ltd: that's exactly what i need...though it's still 8...
[17:41] <Gnea> goltoof: 8 maybe outdated, but I still run it on the system I'm typing on, it's been rock-solid :)
[17:41] <LjL> asdasdasdsd: type /topic
[17:42] <djazz> rigved: i think i found the problem. I tried with dpkg and it says "dependency libcurl3 is not installed"
[17:42] <asdasdasdsd> if i have 11.10 beta 2 do i get final by updating
[17:42] <goltoof> changed folder perms to home dir to 770... nautilus still freezes
[17:42] <jiltdil> Pici:hm
[17:42] <necromancer> actually
[17:42] <necromancer> JeOS is exactly what i'm running right now
[17:42] <LjL> asdasdasdsd: yes
[17:42] <asdasdasdsd> ok
[17:42] <Gnea> goltoof: it's sort of like saying that XP is a dinosaur and so therefore everyone should upgrade to 7 no matter what
[17:42] <asdasdasdsd> is ubuntu 11.10 lts ???
[17:42] <necromancer> my boss is just dyslexic and labelled it "Ubuntu Joes 8.04"
[17:42] <djazz> rigved: neither GDebi or Software Center reported this
[17:42] <chrono86> has anyone else noticed when you scrub over the network app indicator it flashes white?
[17:42] <thorn> ok, look at this: http://imm.io/ahBs I have a glitch that keeps repeating itself. This never happened before with previous releases of ubuntu, only with 11.04. it seems to have to do with text rendering and window drawing...
[17:42] <rotflcopter> ok
[17:42] <necromancer> Gnea: not true. XP still takes up less mem than 7 & Vista
[17:42] <LjL> asdasdasdsd: no
[17:43] <asdasdasdsd> ok
[17:43] <bashelina> How do i get fallback mode in gnome 3 ??
[17:43] <asdasdasdsd> can i get gnome 2 into it ?
[17:43] <bashelina> i want gnome 2
[17:43] <necromancer> so technically it should still be the best for virtualization
[17:43] <asdasdasdsd> me 2
[17:43] <rotflcopter> well its a long way down
[17:43] <Gnea> necromancer: and that's a bad thing how? :)
[17:43] <dippp> hi there, i have keyboard problems on my laptop, the keyboard works in the bios, but then not on grub or logining in! can anyone help! i am currently using usb keyboard! the problem seemed to happen over night
[17:43] <Pici> !notunity | bashelina
[17:43] <goltoof> Gnea: it all depends on the user.. gutsy is more than enough for some
[17:43] <necromancer> it's not :)
[17:43] <Gnea> goltoof: agreed
[17:44] <Gnea> :)
[17:44] <goltoof> changed folder perms to home dir to 770... nautilus still freezes
[17:44] <jiltdil> Can we use Gnome3 and unity both ?
[17:44] <bashelina> !nounity
[17:44] <Gnea> goltoof: try 711
[17:44] <goltoof> o_0
[17:44] <c8> hi people
[17:44] <bashelina> what is session dropdown ??
[17:44] <rotflcopter> thinking about using a parachute?
[17:44] <asdasdasdsd> hello i need gnome 2
[17:44] <bashelina> i cant find that gnome-tweak-tool
[17:44] <jmichaelx> hmm, why the hell is this thing telling me that things like amarok and google-talk-plugin will be removed for this upgrade?
[17:45] <bashelina> where is that gnome-tweak-tool ???????????????
[17:45] <kuchiku> what do i need to use "pon" to turn on my dsl ?
[17:45] <rotflcopter> jmichaelx<< yeaah i dont like amarok either, that was the first thing phrozen to me on mandriva linux
[17:45] <c8> behind you
[17:45] <thorn> please look at this: http://imm.io/ahBs I have a glitch that keeps repeating itself. This never happened before with previous releases of ubuntu, only with 11.04. it seems to have to do with text rendering and window drawing... how can I reset this when it happens without messing up my other things? How can I fix it altogether?
[17:45] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, I no longer get the GPG error
[17:45] <rivelov> how can i switch on the wireless lan on a m amilo 7400?
[17:45] <c8> looking for good c++ programmers
[17:45] <Pici> bashelina: you need to install that package.
[17:45] <djazz> rigved: still error.. installing with dpkg works now
[17:46] <jerecoh> now im getting this error message when trying to upgrade from natty to oneiric: W:Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ca.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_oneiric_main_binary-amd64_Packages  Hash Sum mismatch
[17:46] <Pici> c8: Look elsewhere, this is a support channel.
[17:46] <goltoof> c8: /j #cpp
[17:46] <jerecoh> , W:Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ca.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_oneiric_universe_binary-amd64_Packages  Hash Sum mismatch
[17:46] <LjL> c8: try ##c++, this is about Ubuntu
[17:46] <jerecoh> , E:Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[17:46] <splic> Hello, I'm trying to set up Ubuntu 10.04 LTS with lvm on top of raid1. I forgot to copy the kernel into the boot partition, how can I mount my root logical volume? mount /dev/[VG name]/[root LV name] /temp doesn't work and fdisk shows the partition as /dev/[VG name]/[root LV name]1 but it doesn't appear in /dev/
[17:46] <rotflcopter> c8<< $100/h
[17:46] <bashelina> Pici, i did... I installed everything  ubottu told me to
[17:46] <c8> thx for support
[17:46] <rhizmoe> if i get "authentication failed" (or similar), for flash-plugin and some other flash thing, while upgrading, should i just uninstall those? it's failing out the upgrade.
[17:46] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: ty for the update
[17:46] <goltoof> changed folder perms to home dir to 770... nautilus still freezes
[17:46] <bashelina> Pici, so where do i  find it in this crap unity
[17:47] <thorn> screen keeps glitching, help me!
[17:47] <dippp> hi there, i have keyboard problems on my laptop, the keyboard works in the bios, but then not on grub or logining in! can anyone help! i am currently using usb keyboard! the problem seemed to happen over night
[17:47] <asdasdasdsd> hello i need gnome 2
[17:47] <kuchiku> what do i need to use "pon" to turn on my dsl ?
[17:47] <c8> when is ubuntu 11.10 coming out
[17:47] <rhizmoe> asdasdasdsd: is that a question?
[17:47] <c8> ?
[17:47] <jrib> c8: it's out
[17:47] <asdasdasdsd> c8 in a year
[17:47] <rhizmoe> c8: already
[17:47] <jerecoh> c8: its out already
[17:47] <rhizmoe> c8: also: google
[17:47] <c8> oh ok thx
[17:48] <asdasdasdsd> hello i need gnome 2
[17:48] <arghx> kuchiku: a config file in /etc/ppp/peers/
[17:48] <Pici> bashelina: unsuprisingly, its called gnome-tweak-tool just run that.
[17:48] <rhizmoe> c8: google is a website that contains a lot of news and information
[17:48] <arghx> asdasdasdsd: then you need to run a ubuntu 11.04 or lower
[17:48] <c8> what is google
[17:48] <c8> :D
[17:48] <c8> use ixquick
[17:48] <goltoof> c8 !ot
[17:48] <goltoof> !ot
[17:48] <bashelina> Pici, so unity does not pic a launcher ??  should be standard for user not familiar with terminal
[17:48] <disse> where can I download oneiric ocelot?
[17:49] <jerecoh> but yeah im having some problems upgrading from 11.04 to 11.10:
[17:49] <jerecoh> this appears mid upgrade
[17:49] <thorn> please look at this: http://imm.io/ahBs I have a glitch that keeps repeating itself. This never happened before with previous releases of ubuntu, only with 11.04. it seems to have to do with text rendering and window drawing... how can I reset this when it happens without messing up my other things? How can I fix it altogether?
[17:49] <jerecoh> W:Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ca.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_oneiric_main_binary-amd64_Packages  Hash Sum mismatch
[17:49] <jerecoh> , W:Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ca.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_oneiric_universe_binary-amd64_Packages  Hash Sum mismatch
[17:49] <FloodBot1> jerecoh: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:49] <jerecoh> , E:Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[17:49] <GirlyGirl> Ok, I need help speeding up unity and gnome-shell seems like everything gtk3 is slow
[17:49] <c8> cya
[17:49] <sebsebseb> grumbel: Gnome 2 you can't have, but there's a Gnome 3 fall back mode in repos, which is a bit like it.  CC theadmin
[17:49] <GirlyGirl> Software center is impossible to use ui is laggy
[17:49] <jerecoh> is it proper etiquite to apologize to a bot? :P
[17:49] <theadmin> sebsebseb: That's just a tiny bit
[17:49] <asdasdasdsd> because gnome 3 and unity shit
[17:49] <s1> jerecoh: i got the same error today , http://askubuntu.com/questions/41605/trouble-downloading-updates
[17:49] <asdasdasdsd> i need gnome 2
[17:49] <bashelina> sebsebseb,  how to u get this fallback mode step by step ??????????????
[17:49] <sebsebseb> theadmin: yep
[17:49] <theadmin> asdasdasdsd: Try Xfce
[17:50] <h00k> jerecoh: try changing your mirror, the repos are getting hammered today
[17:50] <asdasdasdsd> xfce also shit
[17:50] <jerecoh> s1: i'll check it out
[17:50] <LjL> !language | asdasdasdsd
[17:50] <theadmin> asdasdasdsd: Don't you dare.
[17:50] <arghx> asdasdasdsd: no matter how often you whine: you can't get gnome 2 with 11.10. grow up and deal with it
[17:50] <sebsebseb> !nounity | bashelina grumbel
[17:50] <rhizmoe> at least he knows how to swear, if not construct a complete sentence
[17:50] <goltoof> nautilus freezes if i'm not root...anybody, i kind of need my nautilus.. help pls
[17:50] <kermit> how do i install convirt? aptitude says my python is too new for it.
[17:50] <goltoof> i really need my nautilus
[17:51] <arghx> !info convirt
[17:51] <dippp> hi there, i have keyboard problems on my laptop, the keyboard works in the bios, but then not on grub or logining in! can anyone help! i am currently using usb keyboard! the problem seemed to happen over night
[17:51] <beerbro> goltoof: strace it, then diff
[17:51] <martian> What is the proper channel for feedback regarding distros?
[17:51] <goltoof> beerbro:  clarify pls?
[17:51] <bashelina> sebsebseb, theres nothing about a fallback mode here ???????????????????????
[17:51] <bashelina> sebsebseb, theres nothing about a fallback mode here ???????????????????????
[17:51] <thorn> !history
[17:51] <Pici> bashelina: You need to stop repeating.
[17:52] <h00k> bashelina: extra punctuation doesn't help, either.
[17:52] <sebsebseb> bashelina: there is
[17:52] <thorn> !philosophy
[17:52] <bashelina> Pici, where in gnome-tweak can u turn on fallaback mode ????????
[17:52] <sebsebseb> bashelina: sudo apt-get install gnome-panel
[17:52] <arghx> h00k: it helps just fine. very fast way to everyone's killfile
[17:52] <bashelina> sebsebseb, i did
[17:52] <theadmin> bashelina: The amount of punctuation at the end of a sentence is backwards-proportional to the amount of your intellegence.
[17:52] <sebsebseb> bashelina: then select it from your log in screen
[17:52] <jerecoh> also, is there any way to set up the sound profile to switch automatically when i plug my laptop via hdmi to my tv?
[17:52] <goltoof> beerbro:  how would i go about strace nautilus? what am i looking for?
[17:52] <sebsebseb> !info gnome-panel
[17:52] <bashelina> sebsebseb,  so install that and then re-login ???
[17:53] <pdq> goltoof, you tried starting nautilus from a terminal and checked for eroor/debug messages?
[17:53] <sebsebseb> bashelina: yep select it from your log in screen once you have it installed
[17:53] <bashelina> sebsebseb,  but there should be a force fallback mode ?
[17:53] <sebsebseb> bashelina: yep should be able to make fall back mode the default for log in as well
[17:53] <dippp> hi there, i have keyboard problems on my laptop, the keyboard works in the bios, but then not on grub or logining in! can anyone help! i am currently using usb keyboard! the problem seemed to happen over night
[17:53] <bashelina> where is this fallback mode ??
[17:53] <Ch4rAzZz> how to get info about ubuntu version 32bit or 64bit?
[17:53] <bashelina> people dont actually know.. haha
[17:53] <sebsebseb> bashelina: install it first
[17:54] <whitman> Awesome, upgrade failed complaining about the package ubuntu-minimal not being available and now the update manager can't download the release notes even though my internet connection is fine.
[17:54] <sebsebseb> bashelina: you can use this  instead of using Unity
[17:54] <h00k> bashelina: You pick 'Classic' when you log in, after you install it.
[17:54] <beerbro> goltoof strace nautilus as root and strace nautilus as $USER and then paste it to http://nopaste.info
[17:54] <GirlyGirl> Ok, I need help speeding up unity and gnome-shell seems like everything gtk3 is slow
[17:54] <GirlyGirl> Software center is impossible to use ui is laggy
[17:54] <sebsebseb> GirlyGirl: don't think you can just speed up Unity, maybe Unity 2D will work better htough
[17:55] <SIFTU> Ch4rAzZz: uname -m
[17:55] <sebsebseb> GirlyGirl: well you can install Synaptic :D
[17:55] <bashelina> h00k, so why does not ubottu say so ??
[17:55] <MAREK_BENC_NetB> That's why i use Aptitude instead of USWC
[17:55] <sebsebseb> or use commands
[17:55] <GirlyGirl> sebsebseb: It does not help the unity2d
[17:55] <meco> I'm getting a completely choppy output trying to play an mp4 vifro on vlc. (system 2 GHz P4, 11.04, 500MB RAM, 1GB swap). I usually have no problems watching videos. Any suggestions?
[17:55] <czyki> hi
[17:55] <h00k> ubottu: tell bashelina about nounity
[17:55] <h00k> bashelina: yes, it does. read that.
[17:55] <alexoliverwd> mooo
[17:55] <meco> vifro = video
[17:55] <GirlyGirl> sebsebseb: Only KDE is blazing fast with all desktop effects, however launching a gtk3 app in kde is slow again
[17:56] <sebsebseb> GirlyGirl: maybe Gnome Shell will work better?
[17:56] <LegoLinux> So is ubuntu 11.10 out yet?
[17:56] <LjL> LegoLinux: /topic
[17:56] <GirlyGirl> sebsebseb: Tried even slower than unity3d
[17:56] <alexoliverwd> indeed it is
[17:56] <SIFTU> meco: thats low spec, what does "free -m" say
[17:56] <sebsebseb> GirlyGirl: Xubuntu? Lubuntu?
[17:56] <twenex> hi can i know what the md5 hash for  ubuntu-11.10-desktop-amd64.iso, it still not list in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[17:56] <sebsebseb> !hashes | twenex
[17:56] <LegoLinux> Oh, it is out.
[17:57] <twenex> not list
[17:57] <Ch4rAzZz> SIFTU, yea thats i686, this mean 32 or 64bit?
[17:57] <SIFTU> Ch4rAzZz: 32
[17:57] <N3x4> Ch4rAzZz: 32
[17:57] <LegoLinux> 32
[17:57] <alexoliverwd> yes it is out
[17:57] <goltoof> beerbro:strace looks like it's hanging..
[17:57] <meco> SIFTU: I have less than 5% free RAM but almost all of the swap file is free. It also uses yp all cpu
[17:57] <Ch4rAzZz> ok thx
[17:57] <goltoof> beerbro:  well, taking a while
[17:57] <LegoLinux> Man, already installing funtoo though...should have waited for the new ubuntu
[17:58] <beerbro> goltoof doesnt matter, kill it and paste the output
[17:58] <GirlyGirl> sebsebseb: I like kubuntu better
[17:58] <Calinou> "sudo: must be setuid root" - can't sudo since 30 minutes
[17:58] <alexoliverwd> any one at the launch party in London this evening?
[17:58] <Calinou> WHAT
[17:58] <WITRchris> http://i.imgur.com/vKpTt.jpg
[17:58] <meco> SIFTU: The file I'm playing is 1.9 GB if that plays any role.
[17:58] <ButlerGeorge> Hello everyone
[17:58] <SIFTU> meco: well at least it isnt swapping.. what video card do you have?
[17:58]  * WITRchris ducks and runs
[17:58] <Pici> twenex: See http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs/11.10/MD5SUMS
[17:59] <h00k> ubottu: tell WITRchris about ot
[17:59] <lonix> What does the task "ubuntu desktop usb" do ?
[17:59] <ButlerGeorge> ARe there bugs reported with the GNOME 3.2 interface?
[17:59] <meco> SIFTU: I don't remember the command for checking that but it's a generic intel
[17:59] <twenex> Pici: thanks!
[17:59] <sebsebseb> GirlyGirl: use Kubuntu then?
[18:00] <meco> SIFTU: Also, I'm using openbox...
[18:00] <SIFTU> meco: ah ok, sometimes there is hardware acceleration for video playback
[18:00] <SIFTU> meco: nice.. so do I
[18:00] <jerecoh> whitman: yeah having the exact same problem, its most likely the server side, because everyone trying to some shiny new os at the same time is slowing down the servers. just keep trying or come back in a few hours
[18:00] <RedWar> I prefer Xubuntu my self.  I did not know that 11.10 was out already.
[18:00] <RedWar> Or KDE, although KDE slows me down a bit.
[18:01] <ButlerGeorge> Does anyone know what this is? http://i.imgur.com/Y2K1K.png
[18:01] <SIFTU> RedWar: the bugs in KDE.. bug me
[18:01] <RedWar> SIFTU yeah, there are quite a few.. that is why as much as I like the eyecandy, I decided to move to Xubuntu as my main stay
[18:01] <beerbro> goltoof sry g2g my office hours are over. but i maybe its enough to remove /home/$USER/.nautilus to reset anything that could cause trouble
[18:02] <Oxymoron> hi guys, I seriously need help FAST with lost files through dropbox permission error. It is ciritcal, I need files to school in important meeting
[18:02] <theadmin> ButlerGeorge: A png file with a typical gnome-shell desktop.
[18:02] <GirlyGirl> sebsebseb: I do (and have been with KDE since 2003) however I was wanted to give gnome 3 a fair chance and test it ...but its not working well
[18:02] <crash1hd> Can anyone tell me what option rom messages is in my bios? the description is "Set Display mode for Option Rom" choices are Force BIOS and Keep Current?
[18:02] <SIFTU> RedWar: well thats why there is choice
[18:02] <ButlerGeorge> The problem is at the top of the image, theadmin
[18:02] <RedWar> Besides you can mess with XFCE eye candy if you wish, but nothing beats a minimized icon set, with a cool background, and a Konsole or Guake call with a clear background
[18:02] <theadmin> ButlerGeorge: And the panel on top makes me think it attempts to run Unity as well as Gnome-shell
[18:02] <Oxymoron> Dropbox was said permission error suddenly, then just once BOOM a lot of files was removed and so.
[18:02] <theadmin> ButlerGeorge: killall -9 unity
[18:02] <RedWar> Absolutely SIFTU  true that
[18:02] <ButlerGeorge> aha
[18:02] <theadmin> ButlerGeorge: Should fix it
[18:02] <lonix> Oxymoron: have tried "sudo chown username:username /path/to/dropbox"
[18:02] <LegoLinux> Any tiling wm users here? Awesome, scoot, dwm, xmod?
[18:02] <Oxymoron> Dropbox restored to old files
[18:03] <Oxymoron> lonix: Nope?
[18:03] <RedWar> I do applaud community efforts on improving Unity. And I think Unity is the closest thing we have to pushing Ubuntu more mainstream.
[18:03] <Oxymoron> lonix: But the problem now is that files are lost, how to reach them again?
[18:03] <ButlerGeorge> theadmin: unity: no process found
[18:03] <sebsebseb> GirlyGirl: really personaly I think using some other distro would probably be better to give Gnome 3 with GNome Shell a proper try, but eh
[18:03] <lonix> how about the dropbox website
[18:03] <theadmin> ButlerGeorge: Oh, I see... Hm.
[18:03] <Oxymoron> lonix: PLEASE I need help, tried google and dropbox website already
[18:03] <lonix> Oxymoron: how about the dropbox website
[18:03] <Oxymoron> I need FAST HELP
[18:03] <organiks_> how is Oneric?
[18:03] <theadmin> ButlerGeorge: Well, a part of Unity is definitely there, search any task manager
[18:04] <Oxymoron> need to be restored NOW.
[18:04] <lonix> your files are not there ?
[18:04] <meco> SIFTU: You're out of solutions?
[18:04] <aeon-ltd> organiks_: go to !ot
[18:04] <theadmin> organiks_: Ubuntu-like.
[18:04] <Oxymoron> lonix: NO they are completly gone, Dropbox ******************************** restoed old files, days ago and A LOT OF programming hours are lost.
[18:04] <Oxymoron> I have a lot of UML diagrams, jar files etc
[18:05] <Oxymoron> is it possible to restore from hdd somehow?
[18:05] <kire> why is there no restart option in the "session" pull down menu (the one you get when you click the power button in the corner)?
[18:05] <sebsebseb> kire: in what UNity or Gnome Shell?
[18:05] <kire> unity
[18:05] <theadmin> Oxymoron: Try out Photorec (included in the "testdisk" package in the repos)
[18:05] <sebsebseb> not sure
[18:05] <qwertologe> hello! i have developed a new ripper and search for a someone who is able to package it and bring it into ubuntu... anybody here?
[18:05] <ButlerGeorge> theadmin: looking at the process list right now, don't see anything that has somethin to do with unity
[18:05] <theadmin> ButlerGeorge: I see, weird
[18:05] <Oxymoron> theadmin: Whats photorec?
[18:06] <theadmin> ButlerGeorge: Maybe run xkill and clicky the top panel?
[18:06] <lonix> Oxymoron: g hou
[18:06] <theadmin> Oxymoron: A file recovery utility
[18:06] <kermit> how do i instal an older version of python?  python-xen-3.3 depends on < version 2.7
[18:06] <sebsebseb> Oxymoron: testdisk and photorec  both nearly the same program, are used to get data from deleted partitions for example
[18:06] <martian> kire: because it seems that no user experince testing is done
[18:06] <theadmin> kermit: You can't downgrade anything on Ubuntu without breaking stuff
[18:06] <lonix> Oxymoron: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8305657/try-this.PNG
[18:06] <theadmin> kermit: Ask the mantainers to update the package
[18:06] <ButlerGeorge> doesn't kill anything, theadmin
[18:06] <Oxymoron> sebsebseb, theadmin: The files shouldnt be lost, they was there recently. Seems dropbox removed them. Maybe they can be find somewhere else?
[18:06] <theadmin> ButlerGeorge: I see :(
[18:06] <kire> martian: I found some bug report that suggests it's by design? I restart more than I shutdown (the pain of dual booting)
[18:07] <theadmin> Oxymoron: Open the dropbox website and click "Show deleted files"?
[18:07] <kermit> theadmin: actually any XCP manager will do.. what do ubuntu users use for that?
[18:07] <ButlerGeorge> yup, maybe this is because I upgraded
[18:07] <sebsebseb> Oxymoron: maybe dropbox still has them soem where?
[18:07] <Oxymoron> theadmin: Yes, of course and they are not there, only old files
[18:07] <theadmin> kermit: No idea, I'm not one of them
[18:07] <Oxymoron> sebsebseb: Yes hopefully, or else I will kill them
[18:07] <bashelina> but is gnome 3 installed by default in 11.10 ???
[18:07] <martian> kire: like I said, it seems that the powers that be are no longer interested in what users want, but instead are interested in doing what they think users should want
[18:07] <bytesaber_work> my wifi didn't need any special firmware in 9.04 - 10.10.    Now in 11.04 i need firmware?   why
[18:07] <sebsebseb> bashelina: uhmm
[18:07] <SIFTU> sebsebseb: yes do as theadmin said.. dropbox does keep old version for a month
[18:08] <sebsebseb> bashelina: by default  Ubuntu 11.10 comes with Gnome 3.2, and as the interface Unity, instead of Gnome Shell the upstream Gnome  interfface
[18:08] <bytesaber_work> even the 11.04 installer found my wifi and used it
[18:08] <bytesaber_work> wtf
[18:08] <Oxymoron> theadmin: Yes, already tried bu they arent there either. it is like dropbox restored to previous state ON THEIR server and overwrite my files!
[18:08] <jiltdil> Which is best online data backup provided by ubuntu?
[18:08] <sebsebseb> bashelina: however Gnome Shell and a Gnome 2 like fall back mode, are in the repos
[18:08] <ButlerGeorge> theadmin: I tried changing the res of my screen, now I see a scrambled bar on top
[18:09] <Oxymoron> theadmin: My files suddenly disappeared earlier today when I should do the LAST on my long laboration project to show in school tomorrow.
[18:09] <Polah> Can someone give me the hash for the 11.10 amd64 desktop ISO?
[18:09] <Pici> Polah: http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs/11.10/MD5SUMS
[18:10] <Polah> Pici: Thank you
[18:10] <J0stAsking> hi, i had a certain problem when install 11.04, a firmware missing problem and no wireless connection, i have managed to solve that with getting a wired connection....
[18:10] <jerecoh> anyone having problems downloading 11.10, just change your mirror.. worked like a charm for me
[18:10] <martian> So, how do you log out in this 11.10 monstrosity?
[18:10] <J0stAsking> is there anyway that i could do something right now before i update, to prevent that problem from happening again?
[18:10] <bashelina> Fallback mode doesnt work... this i fu.ck crap.. unity is garbage.. why dont have this simplistic alt in gnome2 interface...
[18:10] <phibxr> martian, click the cogwheel and select logout. :)
[18:11] <sebsebseb> bashelina: since upstream  no longer support Gnome 2, hwoever some distros are still going to provide Gnome 2 as long as they can
[18:11] <jussi> bashelina: II understand you are frustrated, but please keep it family friendly
[18:11] <martian> phibxr: Doesn't a cogwheel typically symbolize 'settings'? Who thought up this stuff?
[18:11] <splic> Hello, I'm trying to mount a LV in the Ubuntu live CD. I have one partition (/dev/[VG name]/[LV name]1) as described by fdisk, but only [LV name] (without the 1) appears in /dev, how do I mount it?
[18:11] <sardior> Inkscape- first wouldn't update so I removed and tried to re-install. long list of depends not met. (ubuntu 11.04)
[18:12] <phibxr> martian, i think they made it a cogwheel/on-off-icon hybrid since you have both "power off" and system settings under that menu.
[18:12] <RuJN> Hello. I am installing Wine and it doesnèt go. What to do? http://imglink.ru/show-image.php?id=e8e82379aafb2c2cfd81fe28e2dc85d6
[18:12] <Oxymoron> Please anyone?! This is critical emergency. I will be eternal grateful to one who help me
[18:12] <BouerBouer> hey guys, trying to upgrade to 11.10 from 11.04, but whenever I run the update manager it completes 100% then says "failed to update"
[18:12] <BouerBouer> wat do?
[18:12] <sebsebseb> BouerBouer: probably since the mirrors are slow or something
[18:12] <martian> phibxr: yeah, right. meh. I'm so madbro right now I don't think I'm allowing myself to even attempt to grasp this new ui.
[18:13] <BouerBouer> I mean when I run "Check for updates" and ah okay sebsebseb probably thanks
[18:13] <sebsebseb> BouerBouer: or well have you re bootd after this so called update?
[18:13] <BouerBouer> any way to manually do it? or at least not through update manager?
[18:13] <Promethes> i am unable to install software from deb file, software center says internal error, i want to install Google Chrome, how to make this work?
[18:13] <BluesKaj> BouerBouer, sudo do-release-upgrade
[18:14] <BouerBouer> okay thanks will try that blueskaj
[18:14] <RuJN> Promethes: in Ubuntu software centre find and install chromium
[18:14] <jtomasrl> is it possible to change from 11.04 to 11.10 without reinstalling?
[18:14] <sebsebseb> !upgrade | jtomasrl
[18:14] <Promethes> RuJN: i prefer Google Chrome over Chromium
[18:15] <sebsebseb> Promethes: Chrome is based on Chromium
[18:15] <Promethes> RuJN: and installing software from deb files worked in previous Ubuntu versins
[18:15] <jtomasrl> sebsebseb: ty
[18:15] <sebsebseb> jtomasrl: for what?
[18:15] <Promethes> sebsebseb: still i prefer Google Chrome
[18:16] <Pici> Promethes: Is that .deb file made for Oneiric?
[18:16] <AndroidLoverInSF> anyone recommend sticking to 11.04 and using gnome 2 vs 11.10?  any benefits to 11.10 if we dont plan to use unity?
[18:16] <Citramonum> how do i run a command in the f* new ubuntu?
[18:16] <|Slacker|> Promethes, run in term sudo dpkg -i /path to deb && apt-get install
[18:16] <bytesaber_work> i logged out of Unity.  I'm on the login screen.  Where do I pick gnome?
[18:16] <sebsebseb> AndroidLoverInSF: yep probably better to stay with 11.04 for now really, if you don't want to run Unity or Gnome Shell
[18:16] <deebee_> Citramonum: Alt + F2
[18:16] <sebsebseb> !nounity | AndroidLoverInSF
[18:16] <jfroebe> so far, I've found 11.10 more stable on my laptop than 11.04 ..  I've been running 11.10 since beta 1 :)
[18:16] <kire> ok, apeearantly reboot should be incorporated in shutdown button? however, I only see a shutdown that does directly shutdown, no "shutdown..." that gives me a menu.
[18:17] <inzzz> anyone know why the settintgs for the launcher in 11.10 dont stick?
[18:17] <Promethes> Pici: if i use sudo dpkg -i package-name.deb then i will seem but i want to use gui
[18:17] <Pici> Promethes: That doesn't answer my question.
[18:17] <Citramonum> deebee_, i type then press enter and nothing happens
[18:17] <AndroidLoverInSF> so they'll keep making 11.04 updates to make it more stable and stuff?
[18:17] <bytesaber_work> Sorry ubuntu gods, but Tablet style is not the future
[18:17] <bytesaber_work> or whatever Unity bs is supposed to be.
[18:17] <sebsebseb> AndroidLoverInSF: only security updates, but yep for  about a year
[18:17] <erry> "Ask me later" on the upgrade window does nothing
[18:17] <RuJN> Hello.  I am installing Wine and it doesn't go, please help Hello. I am installing Wine and it doesnèt go. What to do? http://imglink.ru/show-image.php?id=e8e82379aafb2c2cfd81fe28e2dc85d6
[18:17] <sebsebseb> AndroidLoverInSF: 11.04 has 18 months of support
[18:18] <rajmahendra> I am currently using 11.10 beta. how can i get update of the 11.10 main release update ?
[18:18] <Pici> rajmahendra: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:18] <sebsebseb> !upgrade | rajmahendra
[18:18] <rajmahendra> thank you
[18:18] <martian> Is there any way to do away with this horrible macintosh style application-menu-fixed-to-the-top-of-the-screen "feature" in 11.10? Please devs, ubuntu != apple.
[18:18] <Pici> !notunity | martian
[18:18] <deebee_> Citramonum: does the command work if you type it in a terminal?
[18:18] <zelozelos> what is the benefits to upgrading from 11.04 to 11.10 besides 11.10 being the long term support version?
[18:18] <ejv> so what's the verdict, is it bad?
[18:18] <Pici> zelozelos: 11.10 is not an LTS.
[18:18] <AndroidLoverInSF> i'm concerned with hardware driver updates, etc or do they only roll those out to 11.10
[18:18] <sebsebseb> zelozelos: no 11.10 isn't LTS
[18:18] <sardior> could not update Inkscape, removed and tried to reinstall, now long list of depends not met: http://pastebin.com/Q2PMWe9n (ubuntu 11.04)
[18:19] <aaa> my ubuntu (11.04) does not recognize my mobile HD, while my win7 (on another machine) does. what can i do?
[18:19] <martian> Pici: I'm in "gnome-classic"
[18:19] <BluesKaj> zelozelos, it's not LTS
[18:19] <zelozelos> oh ok, so what is the primary benefit?
[18:19] <chadi> so no more gnome classic in oneiric?
[18:19] <diki> Hi all
[18:19] <sebsebseb> martian: oh in 11.04?
[18:19] <Citramonum> deebee_, how do i run a terminal?
[18:19] <diki> i would like to ask, if i were to use ubuntu server which is text-mode
[18:19] <AndroidLoverInSF> i wonder if 11.04 gnome2 is more stable than 10.10 gnome2
[18:19] <martian> sebsebseb: no, 11.10
[18:19] <diki> how would i go about downloading from a website libcurl4-openssl-dev?
[18:19] <sebsebseb> martian: oh you want the menu on the right not there?
[18:19] <sebsebseb> martian: nope sorry, can't customise it to remove that, as far as I know
[18:19] <RuJN> aaa: what mobile?
[18:20] <BluesKaj> !polls > zelozelos
[18:20] <deebee_> Citramonum: just click the icon at the top of the bar in unity and start typing "Terminal" in the search box
[18:20] <jiltdil> When LTS will come?
[18:20] <Promethes> Pici: yes, Google Chrome package from google.com is compatible with 11.10, just installed from console
[18:20] <sebsebseb> jiltdil: 12.04
[18:20] <martian> sebsebseb: the actual 'file', 'edit', etc menus that are normally attached to an applications window are now bolted to the top of the screen
[18:20] <phibxr> diki, grab a text based web browser like links2 or lynx.
[18:20] <BluesKaj> 12.04 , next april
[18:20] <ejv> diki: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libcurl4-openssl-dev
[18:20] <sebsebseb> martian: Can you show me a screenshot?
[18:20] <Pici> diki: w3m is installed by default in -server
[18:20] <jiltdil> Citramonum,  Just try alt+ctrl+T  shortcut by default to open terminal
[18:21] <deebee_> Pici: install on the terminal by typing 'dpkg -i google-chrome-stable_current_i386.deb'
[18:21] <zelozelos> BluesKaj  thats not a poll, i didnt ask for opinions, i only asked what is the major benifits? like gnome2, are some important bugs worked out etc?
[18:21] <deebee_> Pici: with sudo at the front :)
[18:21] <Pici> deebee_: I'm not asking the question
[18:21] <Citramonum> jiltdil, thanks
[18:22] <C-Otto> q
[18:22] <organiks_> !ot
[18:22] <jiltdil> sebsebseb:thanks
[18:22] <Promethes> deebee_: this is not best solution because you need manually fix some dependencies
[18:22] <sebsebseb> jiltdil: np
[18:22] <BluesKaj> zelozelos, your major benefit depends on someone else's opinion
[18:23] <zelozelos> hows that?
[18:23] <deebee_> Promethes: no you don't. get apt-get to do it for you. do 'sudo apt-get -f install' after the chrome install fails
[18:23] <luist> hey guys... i need to do this live usb to discover hardware on a machine and i found this project: http://sourceforge.net/projects/dhlu/files/ can anyone point me how do i use it? just format the pendrive with ext2 and copy all the files?
[18:23] <deebee_> Promethes: and it'll resolve the dependencies for you the automated and proper way
[18:23] <Dracosoft> anyone have any issuse with the upgrade? (am I safe to upgrade my production server remotely?)
[18:24] <martian> sebsebseb: see how the menu options for nautilus are now affixed to the top left of my screen? Furthermore, the traditional panel on the top right has been hosed. http://martian.mit.edu/ubuntu_i_used_to_like_you.png
[18:24] <th__> hello, how the hell i make my desktop like it was in 10.04?? i mean basic gnome?
[18:24] <ejv> are you nuts
[18:24] <sebsebseb> Dracosoft: may not be a very good time to try stuff like that now, since the amount of other  people doing upgrades and that
[18:24] <Promethes> deebee_: yes, but deb installation should work also by double clicking on deb file in nautilus, as it worked for years
[18:24] <ejv> don't upgrade a production server to something so unstable
[18:24] <martian> th__: install gnome-shell but you'll be dissapointed still I assure you.
[18:24] <th__> martian, how come?
[18:25] <sebsebseb> martian: ok so yeah the Gnome fall back mode by the looks of it
[18:25] <th__> did they remove gnome-shell??
[18:25] <sebsebseb> martian: and you got two montiors or something?
[18:25] <tom_> skioo
[18:25] <Dracosoft> good points?.thanx for the sanity check :)
[18:25] <martian> sebsebseb: indeed.
[18:25] <deebee_> Promethes: i know, but if it doesn't, plan B is required unless you're able to fix it so plan A works
[18:25] <aaa> my ubuntu (11.04) does not recognize my USB-mobile-HD, while my win7 (on another machine) does. what can i do?
[18:25] <tom_> is it a seagate hd?
[18:25] <diki> ejv:ok, but if i am using the console how do i get it? just so you know i've tried sudo apt-get install libcurl4-openssl-dev and to be honest it never found such a package
[18:26] <currance> Any known issues with fglrx drivers in 11.10 for ATI video cards?
[18:26] <deebee_> Promethes: either achieves what you want and neither is sloppy
[18:26] <ejv> Dracosoft: if it's a server only YOU and YOU alone, rely upon, upgrade, but if a business or your work depends upon it, don't
[18:26] <sebsebseb> martian: as far as I know you can't realy customise the Gnome 3 fall back mode, so you get what you get, and that's it
[18:26] <th__> this is the last time im going to upgrade ubuntu!
[18:26] <Pici> currance: Theres one with remote desktop listed in the release notes.
[18:26] <martian> th__: I'm in the process of backing everything up to go reinstall 11.04. the "fallback mode" of gnome-shell is a sparse wasteland of what gnome once was.
[18:26] <sebsebseb> martian: maybe that gnome tweak tool can do something, but I think that's only really for Gnome Shell so hmm
[18:26] <Pici> th__: Don't blame Ubuntu.  GNOME has stopped supporting GNOME 2.
[18:26] <tetsuo--> hello, when trying to upgrade to 11.10 i get the following error, how do i fix it? ->E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[18:26] <th__> martian, argh. im thinking of restoring the backup
[18:26] <ejv> diki: once you find the URL for the version you want, use 'wget <url>' in the terminal
[18:27] <th__> Pici, they did what?
[18:27] <martian> sebsebseb: yeah basically it's time to reinstall 11.04 until whomever is in charge of the distro wakes up
[18:27] <ejv> diki: example, wget http://ubuntu.wikimedia.org/ubuntu//pool/main/c/curl/libcurl4-openssl-dev_7.21.6-3ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[18:27] <zelozelos> jeez BluesKaj dont you have something better to do> all im asking is for a str-8 forward answer w/o having to read on and on about 11, simply...i want to know what is the focus of the 11.10 's version, such as...11.04 was unity, grub and things like that that made the os run better/smoother, not asking about programs I can install, asking about the main differances between the two  because this info is embedded somewhere in t
[18:27] <zelozelos> he info about ubuntu 11.10 which includes all the stuff thats still around from 11.04, its not off topic, its not a poll on people's opinions...it IS a support questionk, and it is something i need to know to make an educated decision weather to upgrade or not......JEEEEZZZ man
[18:27] <theadmin> th__: GNOME 2 is dead, the GNOME team killed it
[18:27] <sebsebseb> martian: however if you really want Gnome 2 still, well obviously older versions of Ubuntu, but  there are some distros that are going to keep Gnome 2 as long as they can as well
[18:27] <diki> ok, and also, if i've compiled a binary of a program on ubuntu 11.04 will it run on a clean ubuntu install WITHOUT the dependencies?
[18:27] <theadmin> th__: There is a fork developed by gnome2 fans called 'mate-desktop-environment'
[18:27] <Promethes> deebee_: yes i know, i just wonder if this is problem with this particular deb file or all deb files are not gui installable, there are persons that know nothing about terminal
[18:27] <ejv> diki: plenty of libraries probably changed version, most likely not
[18:27] <martian> sebsebseb: Does ubuntu run gnome3 'out of the box', or has it been heavily customized for ubuntu?
[18:27] <th__> theadmin, thats sad
[18:28] <currance> The recommended proprietary driver marked as "post release updates" didn't work; however, the 2nd choice did.
[18:28] <Pici> zelozelos: You should read the release notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/ReleaseNotes
[18:28] <th__> theadmin, wich does what?
[18:28] <sebsebseb> martian: it's Gnome 3.2 in 11.10, but they use Unity by default instead of Gnome Shell, which is in the repos
[18:28] <sebsebseb> !nounity | martian
[18:28] <deebee_> zelozelos: there's tonnes of stuff on Google
[18:28] <beefman> hi.  just updated to 11.10.  i wish i hadn't.  how do i get to my monitor settings (change resolution, etc)?
[18:28] <ejv> people are lazy, forgive them :)
[18:28] <beefman> is it possible to remove gnome 3 and revert to 2.x?
[18:28] <deebee_> zelozelos: if the release notes isn't what you want, search for something about the higher level features. It's all there if you search
[18:29] <sebsebseb> beefman: not in 11.10 no
[18:29] <theadmin> th__: It's a complete clone of gnome2
[18:29] <sebsebseb> beefman: or not easily in 11.10 anyway
[18:29] <sebsebseb> !nounity | beefman
[18:29] <zelozelos> ejv its not about lazyness. its about not reading through tons of stuff just to get to the heart of the upgrade
[18:29] <theadmin> th__: But it's not really available for Ubuntu yet
[18:29] <theadmin> th__: Might consider Xfce, it gives the gnome2 feeling to me
[18:29] <th__> theadmin, nice. thanks for the info. you meaning theres no .deb yet?
[18:29] <beefman> sebsebseb: i don't care if it's not easy.  i installed fallback but it's not the same as 11.04.  i want to go back
[18:29] <deebee_> zelozelos: that is laziness. Just search on Google. It doesn't take 5 minutes to find what you want
[18:29] <BluesKaj> zelozelos, http://www.ubuntu.com/tour/
[18:29] <zelozelos> that info should be itimized or listed directly....say heay thinking about upgrading...heres whats new since 11.04 you know what i mean?
[18:29] <theadmin> th__: Yeah, the only real package there is is an AUR package
[18:30] <ejv> zelozelos: read the link pici gave you and move along, it has a Table of Contents to keep it concise.
[18:30] <th__> theadmin, im so hating this. i was so comfortable with my old setup.
[18:30] <goltoof> nautilus freezes if not sudo, here's part of the strace http://pastebin.com/bT4hNsFr
[18:30] <sebsebseb> beefman: well then downgrade to a previous version of Ubuntu, or use another distro that is still using Gnome 2,  in fact some will as long as they can still support it
[18:30] <zelozelos> ejv wahts the link agian it already scrolled off
[18:30] <ejv> zelozelos: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/ReleaseNotes
[18:30] <th__> what happens if i install gnome-panel?
[18:30] <zelozelos> thank you ejv, thats all i wanted...was a list instead of a book
[18:30] <goltoof> th__:  gnome-panel is like the taskbar for windows, that is all
[18:30] <beefman> sebsebseb: is it possible to downgrade to 11.04?  do i have to reinstall from a 11.04 cd?
[18:31] <ejv> zelozelos: ubuntu.com/tour is good too, yw
[18:31] <currance> Take care, all and thanks to the mods, ops, etc. for all the help and hard work.
[18:31] <deebee_> Promethes: Yeah, I know it's not exactly ideal for people who don't use the terminal, which is a pain. I have no idea why the deb won't just work if you click it.
[18:31] <sebsebseb> beefman: you would have to completly re install or possbily break your ssytem whilst trying in some other way
[18:31] <sebsebseb> !downgrade | beefman
[18:31] <th__> goltoof, so thats everything i need :)
[18:31] <erkan^> I use ubuntu 11.10 now, where can I install indicator for xChat?
[18:31] <goltoof> th__:  well, not everything, you need the desktop to run the panel :)
[18:31] <daviddoria> When in "Gnome classic" mode, I thought I used to right click on items in the Applications menu in order to add them to the panel. However, in 11.10 when I right click them, they just launch as if I had left clicked them. Is there a different way to add things to the panel now?
[18:31] <th__> goltoof, :D true
[18:32] <th__> what is this new shitty "taskbar" called so i can disable ot?
[18:32] <th__> it
[18:32] <sebsebseb> daviddoria: you can't just add stuff to the Gnome 3 fall back mode, it's not Gnome 2
[18:32] <goltoof> th__:  and an x session to run the desktop :P
[18:32] <sebsebseb> daviddoria: it's similar in some ways, but differnet in others
[18:32] <Pici> goltoof, sebsebseb, BluesKaj, other helpers that I don't see at the moment: I've added !gnome2, which might be helpful, feel free to use or make a suggestion to the bot if you think it needs to be cleaned up.
[18:32] <goltoof> nautilus freezes if not root, here's part of the strace http://pastebin.com/bT4hNsFr
[18:32] <Pici> !gnome2
[18:32] <beefman> ok new question: is it possible to install kde or xfce on an ubuntu 11.10 install, or do i have to start over with kubuntu or lubuntu?
[18:32] <th__> goltoof, or 1 windows?
[18:33] <goltoof> Pici:  ty
[18:33] <olman> Hello again. May i ask a question regarding adding screensavers ?
[18:33] <zelozelos> beefman yes you can install any session manager after words
[18:33] <sebsebseb> olman: I think I know what you want to ask
[18:33] <daviddoria> sebsebseb, then how do I add things from the menu to the panel?
[18:33] <sebsebseb> olman: how to get screensavers in 11.10?
[18:33] <beefman> zelozelos; ty
[18:33] <chadi> !notunity
[18:33] <daviddoria> !notunity
[18:33] <shyrh> beefman on older versions i used to do a apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[18:33] <iceroot> is there a guide/faq about the meaning of special strings in packagenames? e.g. foo-1ubuntu2.deb
[18:33] <tensorpudding> beefman, install the kubuntu-desktop package
[18:33] <olman> how to add screensavers in bt5 rc1
[18:33] <olman> on kde
[18:33] <tensorpudding> it will pull all the stuff for kubuntu with it
[18:33] <sebsebseb> olman: oh backtrack and kde, try the backtrack channel then
[18:33] <th__> so what does gnome-session-fallback do?
[18:34] <Oxymoron> theadmin: testdisk, does it work well? Can it restore files to original path with same filename?
[18:34] <GirlyGirl> olman: what is bt 5
[18:34] <chadi> !classic
[18:34] <beefman> shyrh, tensorpudding: i haven't used kde since before 4... is it stable now?
[18:34] <sebsebseb> th__: gives you something that is Gnome 2 like, but not quite
[18:34] <tensorpudding> th__, it gives you a gnome 3 session with no effects which vaguely resembles gnome 2
[18:34] <th_> !
[18:34] <GirlyGirl> beefman: Yes it is
[18:34] <th_> stop highlighting me :D
[18:34] <th__> sebsebseb, tensorpudding thanks. im installing it right a way
[18:34] <olman> hmmm, i have to register in some way and i do not know how, i am not used to irc so well
[18:34] <sebsebseb> that's what people tend to do in big channels
[18:34] <sebsebseb> high lighting each other
[18:35] <sebsebseb> !register | olman
[18:35] <goltoof> i'm on lucid 64, what's the proper way to completely ditch gnome and switch over to gnome-3 or is it possible?  might help fix with nautilus issue i got?
[18:35] <olman> in this server my channel list does not receive any channels, why ?
[18:35] <Chotaz> hey everyone, I'm having a problem with the upgrade.
[18:35] <zelozelos> olman  type /nickserv ? i think will tell you how to do it all
[18:35] <GirlyGirl> beefman: I'd recommend you give it a try on oneiric ... its really worth it
[18:35] <sebsebseb> goltoof: by upgrading to 11.10
[18:35] <tensorpudding> goltoof, do backups, install oneiric, then install gnome-shell
[18:35] <goltoof> sebsebseb:  i'm comfortable with 10.04 atm
[18:36] <Chotaz> it asks me for root password and as the wiki says that its best practice not to set any, I havent. how should I proceed?
[18:36] <sebsebseb> goltoof: well there might be a Gnome 3 ppa for 10.04 as well, but if so, don't expect it to work that well
[18:36] <goltoof> tensorpudding:  that'll replace the desktop too?
[18:36] <tensorpudding> goltoof, alternatively, if you don't mind wasting a good bit of time, upgrade to natty, then upgrade to oneiric, then install gnome-shell
[18:36] <histo> olman: /msg alis list someterm*
[18:36] <beefman> girlygirl: i think i will...  unity/gnome3/gnome2 wrapper are not for me
[18:36] <histo> olman: and perhaps join /j #help this is a ubuntu support channel
[18:36] <tensorpudding> goltoof, it'll add a "GNOME" session to your login manager, which will give you an authentic gnome-shell experience
[18:36] <martian> Chotaz: have you tried your password?
[18:36] <beefman> i wish i had stuck with 11.04
[18:36] <th__> fuck you ubuntu
[18:36] <sebsebseb> goltoof: or just keep what you got and wait untill 12.04, and there you go
[18:36] <martian> beefman: me too!
[18:37] <sougata> Anyone having problem with ecryptfs on 11.10 ? I am facing a lot of problems after upgrade
[18:37] <goltoof> !language th_
[18:37] <tensorpudding> !language | th__
[18:37] <th__> trying to install gnome-tweak-tool but the aptitude wants to remove like everything!
[18:37] <Chotaz> martian, i have and it says it failed trying to run the command as user root
[18:37] <TheFuzzball> How do I mount HFS+ read-write?
[18:37] <olman> ubuntu is not to blame, just because it is aimed for newbees
[18:37] <Chotaz> because of wrong password.
[18:37] <histo> beefman: there is xfce lxde e17 therre are a ton of other DEs even standalone WMs like openbox etc... that  you can choose from
[18:37] <deebee_> iceroot: there's a convention, which mostly comes from the debian packaging system. See 7.3 on here http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html
[18:37] <th__> !language tensorpudding
[18:37] <martian> Chotaz: how did you initiate the upgrade? The GUI tool, or from a command?
[18:37] <beefman> histo: i know, i'm looking into them now
[18:37] <jrib> Chotaz: what exactly is "it"?
[18:37] <histo> olman: you are asking about general irc questions
[18:37] <iceroot> deebee_: thank you
[18:37] <olman> not only.
[18:37] <shyrh> martian: gui tool
[18:37] <Yarp> Any tips on how to forge emails?
[18:37] <TheFuzzball> I have an HFS+ volume with journaling turned off, and I do: mount -t hfsplus -o rw ..., but it still mounts ro
[18:37] <martian> olman: I don't see how ANYONE would be able to understand how to use this interface
[18:38] <histo> !offtopic | Yarp
[18:38] <Oxymoron> Which tool to undelete files in *buntu?
[18:38] <sebsebseb> martian: which? Unity?
[18:38] <sebsebseb> or?
[18:38] <deebee_> iceroot: and the "changelong" section on here explains a bit about the ubuntu addons to it some way down the paragraph https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#changelog
[18:38] <Chotaz> martian, jrib, via the update manager and it refers to the dialog window that shows after typing the passwod.
[18:38] <jrib> !undelete | Oxymoron
[18:38] <histo> TheFuzzball: are the permisions of the folder your mounting to ro?
[18:38] <sebsebseb> Oxymoron: test disk  or photorec, but I think those may only really properly work wtih deleted partitions not sure quite
[18:38] <iceroot> deebee_: perfect thats what i was looking for but didnt found any usefull infos
[18:38] <iceroot> deebee_: thank you very much
[18:38] <jrib> Chotaz: can you take a screenshot and put it up on a site like imgur.com?
[18:38] <deebee_> iceroot: no problem
[18:38] <histo> sebsebseb: untrue photorec scans the drive for header information has nothing to do with partitioning
[18:38] <TheFuzzball> histo,  I'm mounting as root, in a folder created by root, so yes.
[18:39] <olman> i just want to get help, on how to add screensavers in bt5. And this is ubuntu basedm which is debian based. I am loving upstart. But why does kde screensaver management not offer "add"
[18:39] <Chotaz> jrib i can
[18:39] <sebsebseb> histo: ah ok
[18:39] <daviddoria> I guess I don't get it - with 11.04 I was able to use a gnome-panel in "ubuntu classic" mode. Is there no longer an equivalent to this in 11.10?
[18:39] <goltoof> tensorpudding: i completely uninstalled gnome and figuring the best way to restablish my desktop, since lucid is all setup
[18:39] <GirlyGirl> olman: WHat is bt5
[18:39] <histo> TheFuzzball: then it will inherit the ro
[18:39] <sebsebseb> histo: well in my expereince seemd to only work properly with deleted partitions
[18:39] <jrib> Chotaz: while you do that, how did you start update manager?
[18:39] <Oxymoron> sebsebseb: I want to restore files from a certain folder path deleted by dropbox and output the deleted files somewhere.
[18:39] <olman> backtrack 5
[18:39] <Chotaz> through the menus.
[18:39] <jrib> !nounity | daviddoria
[18:39] <goltoof> tensorpudding:  rather not upgrade to a nonlts
[18:39] <TheFuzzball> histo,  I meant no.
[18:39] <sebsebseb> Oxymoron: I don't know
[18:39] <martian> sebsebseb: Unity, gnome-shell, or any of the fallback options. It's like someone decided to put a big stupid launcher panel to try to catch up to apple ten years ago, then to make up for the wasted space, have the application menu be moved to an insane location (especially on a dual monitor system)... arg.
[18:39] <determinology> What do yall think about unity?
[18:39] <tomodachi> today is the day!
[18:40] <daviddoria> jrib, yea I looked at gnome-tweak-tool, but don't see anything about panels?
[18:40] <tomodachi> that ubuntu+1 becomes this channel!
[18:40] <tomodachi> :)
[18:40] <martian> sebsebseb: Is the gnome team trying to design an interface for toddlers?
[18:40] <jrib> determinology: #ubuntu-offtopic for that please
[18:40] <GirlyGirl> olman: Sorry I'm fed up supporting backtrack distro in ubuntu channels when they ship with obsolete packages ... use regular kubuntu and come back or join your community support
[18:40] <sebsebseb> martian: yep I know what you mean, but I can think of two distros, that  are going to be supproting Gnome 2 it self  for a long time
[18:40] <olman> ok, i understand
[18:40] <jrib> daviddoria: read the whole thing :)  (you want the next sentence)
[18:40] <Pici> olman: You've been told where to get support.
[18:40] <Oxymoron> sebsebseb: Do you know anyone that know? Earlier I remember I got help and used /dev/null somehow in a complex way, but it didnt help to restore correctly.
[18:40] <martian> sebsebseb: oh yeah, which?
[18:40] <olman> i did not want to annoy you,
[18:41] <daviddoria> jrib, I also installed gnome-panel
[18:41] <suhel> Please use the torrents?
[18:41] <robinsch> is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/release/ubuntu-11.10-dvd-amd64.iso.zsync down for anyone else?
[18:41] <suhel> why such a request?
[18:41] <sebsebseb> martian: well Fuduntu which is Fedora based not Ubuntu based, and PC Linux OS when they sort that out, but this is a bit off topic
[18:41] <olman> let me have a look in the suitable channel
[18:41] <jrib> daviddoria: that should give you a new option at the login screen afaik
[18:41] <olman> bye
[18:41] <suhel> hows 11.10 going along mates...
[18:41] <sebsebseb> martian: in fact PCLOS can switch between the two Gnome 3 and Gnome 2, when they sort it out, not happended yet
[18:41] <TheFuzzball> histo, http://pastebin.com/xD7GNFUH
[18:41] <robinsch> anyone knows of a mirror of dvd?
[18:42] <thcipriani> So...I just finished my upgrade to 11.10
[18:42] <histo> sebsebseb: he's being sarcastic
[18:42] <deebee_> robinsch: Use the torrents, they're much faster
[18:42] <thcipriani> ...looks like the unity bar is stuck on my second monitor
[18:42] <sebsebseb> histo: maybe, maybe not, it's text :D
[18:42] <thcipriani> any ideas how to fix that?
[18:42] <robinsch> I only need .zsync file, i have the dailybuild of oneiric
[18:42] <goltoof> so remove gnome* then install oneiric then install gnome-shell?
[18:42] <daviddoria> jrib, I have gnome, gnome classic, gnome classic (no effects), ubuntu, ubuntu 2D, and user defined
[18:42] <th__> what is the shell called?
[18:42] <histo> robinsch: yes you can zsync to the latest iso
[18:43] <jrib> daviddoria: and gnome classic doesn't work?
[18:43] <robinsch> histo: the dvd on cdimage is down
[18:43] <robinsch> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/release/ubuntu-11.10-dvd-amd64.iso
[18:43] <daviddoria> jrib - that's what I'm in now, and I can't right click up by the clock to add icons etc
[18:43] <goltoof> !oneiric
[18:43] <robinsch> i can't fine a mirror
[18:43] <simpleblue> Did i miss the party?
[18:43] <jrib> daviddoria: but you have a panel?
[18:43] <robinsch> find*
[18:44] <daviddoria> It has applications, places, and a clock
[18:44] <Pici> robinsch: Its up, but swamped, I think you'll just need to keep retrying :/
[18:44] <jrib> !away > sysadamin
[18:44] <robinsch> why no mirrors :(
[18:45] <goltoof> nautilus freezes when not root, sometimes when i am root... really need help here guys
[18:45] <luciash> hello
[18:45] <zelozelos> ok not upgrading...moving on to something else...recently i had to fix grub b/c i crashed it fooling around with stuff. now i'm stuck with 2.6.32-10 or something. i think the lates is -34...but the upgrade manager isnt upgrading...what do i do?
[18:45] <lindenle_> What does the sandbox release upgrade do?
[18:45] <robinsch> brb
[18:45] <Phr3d13> noticed the new 11.10 upgrade, is it 'safe'? or should i wait a little?
[18:45] <sebsebseb> Phr3d13: depends
[18:45] <sebsebseb> Phr3d13: do you want to lose Gnome 2 for a start?
[18:45] <suhel> Phr3d13 shafe and shexyyy
[18:45] <luciash> i am still on narval... why do have some apps the old classic scrollbars and some the new ones ? i would prefer the old classic ones as they are more usability friendly
[18:45] <lindenle_> Use XFCE!
[18:46] <Phr3d13> does that mean being stuck with the unity interface?
[18:46] <MrElendig> Phr3d13: make a backup then try?  or just test it on a seperate partion or in a vm
[18:46] <sebsebseb> Phr3d13: not quite
[18:46] <luciash> how can i change back to the "classic" scrollbars ?
[18:46] <simpleblue> does 11.10 come with gnome 3, or do i need to install it if i want it?
[18:46] <sebsebseb> !nounity | Phr3d13
[18:46] <th__> how do i enable framebuffer? virtual terminals are not readable
[18:46] <suhel> Phr3d13 nope you can always install gnome shell
[18:46] <diki> can i install this freenx on ubuntu but use putty on windows to connect to it?
[18:46] <Oxymoron> anyone here has recovered deleted files for yourself, and can help me?
[18:46] <thcipriani> hmmm....FYI, it seems that the unity bar always appears on your left-most monitor in your configuration - regardless of which monitor is your primary
[18:46] <simpleblue> does ubuntu come with gnome shell was an alternate window manager?
[18:47] <Galvatron> simpleblue: No
[18:47] <suhel> simpleblue you can install it
[18:47] <robinsch> ah
[18:47] <simpleblue> great then, i'll do that
[18:47] <h00k> diki: putty will connect to a ssh server
[18:47] <zelozelos> recently i had to fix grub b/c i crashed it fooling around with stuff. now i'm stuck with 2.6.32-10 or something. i think the lates is -34...but the upgrade manager isnt upgrading...what do i do?
[18:47] <suhel> simpleblue and choose gnome shell on the login page
[18:47] <luciash> why should i upgrade to 11.10 ? any benefits ?
[18:47] <suhel> luciash depends upon your flavor
[18:47] <sebsebseb> luciash: well yeah if you like GNome 3 or  Unity
[18:47] <simpleblue> okay, so i do need to install it though, right?
[18:48] <robinsch> so it turns out that oneiric-dvd-amd64.iso and ubuntu-11.10-dvd-amd64.iso have the same checksum
[18:48] <luciash> i have to check out what brings Gnome 3
[18:48] <suhel> simpleblue yup
[18:48] <Phr3d13> have many people reported botched upgrades?
[18:48] <simpleblue> okays
[18:48] <zelozelos> luciash, apparently asking if you should upgrade isnt a support question..rofl
[18:48] <theadmin> Phr3d13: In the last hour or so, 3 already
[18:48] <luciash> heheh
[18:48] <chrono86> so just wiped my laptop, did a fresh install of 11.10...installed, restarted, boots to black screen with the mouse cursor. nothing more.
[18:48] <sebsebseb> luciash: this is Gnome 3 with Gnome Shell http://gnome3.org which you can also from repos, hwoever Ubuntu uses Unity by default instead
[18:48] <Phr3d13> ewwww
[18:48] <luciash> any idea about the scrollbars ?
[18:48] <robinsch> so they just released the last oneiric daily build?
[18:48] <martian> Phr3d13: yes, but then again the ones who had a successful upgrade never come to announce thart
[18:48] <bashelina> I dont want any traces of unity.. woulndt it be bset to install ubuntu-server and then gnome-3 ???
[18:48] <sebsebseb> luciash: which you can  install from repos
[18:48] <Phr3d13> good point
[18:48] <simpleblue> i wish the countdown was more accurate. i thought 11.10 was goign to be release in another 10 hours
[18:48] <goltoof> this place is useless to me today
[18:48] <goltoof> l8r guys
[18:48] <zelozelos> luciash, i found this helpfull   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/ReleaseNotes
[18:48] <crowbar> updated to 11.10.  anyone seeing issues with the network being unable to access new sites? In dmesg I see: ipv4: Neighbour table overflow.
[18:48] <luciash> sebsebseb: thanks
[18:49] <bashelina> does apt-get install gnome    .. actually install gnome 3  ??
[18:49]  * suhel has successfully upgraded to 11.10 without any problems 
[18:49] <Ek123> I was half way through installing 11.10 when my computer froze. I had to switch it off. When I try go to update manager now to continue it doesn't let me. Is there anyway I can continue the installation without having to redownload the files again?
[18:49] <tomodachi> simpleblue: well depends on your timezone!, in mine it was fairly accurate!
[18:49] <luciash> zelozelos: thx, checking
[18:49] <simpleblue> sweet suhel
[18:49] <tomodachi> Ek123: do you get any error message you can pastebin us?
[18:49]  * suhel doesnt have any network related issues too
[18:49] <sebsebseb> luciash: yeah Unity goes on top of the rest of Gnome 3 as an alternative interface in 11.10 by default
[18:49]  * suhel feels proud of this accomplishment lol
[18:49] <simpleblue> okay tomodachi, i'll note that for next release, lol
[18:49] <Ek123> tomodachi: Yes, I'll do that now.
[18:49] <sebsebseb> bashelina: no
[18:50] <tetsuo--> so i finally hello, how do i troubleshotot his error on dist upgrade?  E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages
[18:50] <sebsebseb> bashelina: sudo apt-get install gnome-panel
[18:50] <sebsebseb> !nounity > bashelina
[18:50] <robinsch> why is server soo slow
[18:50] <chrono86> does anyone know why a fresh install just boots to a black screen with the mouse cursor?
[18:50] <sebsebseb> !slow | robinsch
[18:50] <tomodachi> robinsch: because everybody is updateing  instead of waiting :)
[18:50] <suhel> robinsch because everyone is downloading on a GO
[18:50] <simpleblue> lots of peeps downloading :)
[18:50] <designbybeck> if I am backing up my harddrive contents, and I want to make sure I get my all the fonts I have installed.... where do I find those at??
[18:50] <spacebug-> how can I remove device icons from the launcher? In 11.04 I could use 'gsettings get com.canonical.Unity.Devices devices-option "Never"'
[18:50]  * s1 conforming a successful upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10.
[18:51] <suhel> thank god I got to know about the release within half and hour
[18:51] <designbybeck> I know there is a .font folder in my home directory, but it doesn't seem to have all my fonts there?
[18:51] <simpleblue> yay s1
[18:51]  * suhel cheers s1
[18:51] <luciash> sebsebseb: does Unity means the crappy anti-usability-catch-me-if-you-can scrollbars ?
[18:51]  * AfterDeath is probably going to stick with 10.04
[18:51] <sebsebseb> luciash: yep I guess so
[18:51] <Iszak> Is there an Adobe AIR PPA?
[18:51] <simpleblue> i love the new scrollbars
[18:51] <robinsch> my download rate is at 5 kBps
[18:51] <diki> h00k:then if ubuntu was in desktop mode i can see the gui with ssh right?
[18:51] <luciash> sebsebseb: ah, thx, i will try to uninstall that
[18:51] <robinsch> back to dialup days
[18:51] <simpleblue> the scroll bars have improves alot in the beta 11.10 as opposed to the 11.04
[18:52] <s1> Cheers mates. :-)
[18:52] <Iszak> the scroll bars are the least of my concern.
[18:52] <spacebug-> the scrollbars can be removed
[18:52] <daviddoria> jrib, so is it just that you can't do this anymore?
[18:52] <trinimoses> hi all
[18:52] <luciash> simpleblue: the problem is you need to hover over the active part and then you can scroll as opposed to classic scrollbars where you can click in the bar anywhere and it scrolls down one step
[18:52] <Phr3d13> is the correct terminal command - sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:52] <suhel> with Linux everything is possible its so damn custom-able
[18:53] <trinimoses> quick question : should i upgrade my ubntu 10.04lts to 11.10 ?
[18:53] <Iszak> trinimoses, it depends if you favour stability over updates.
[18:53] <sebsebseb> trinimoses: if you want Unity or Gnome 3 with Gnome Shell then sure, if not, possbily not
[18:53] <simpleblue> i think they changed that luciash
[18:53] <JayWalker_> trinimoses: I wouldn't say so
[18:53] <luciash> simpleblue: good news
[18:53] <s1> Phr3d13: correct.
[18:53] <Phr3d13> ty
[18:53] <simpleblue> i'm not 100% sure but thought i saw it in a video
[18:53] <luciash> simpleblue: i will give it a try to upgrade - and if it sucks still i will uninstall unity
[18:53] <luciash> hopefully that will work :)
[18:53] <JayWalker_> 11.10 runs way slower on my laptop than 10.04
[18:53] <zelozelos> trinimoses, id suggest not to do it. instead do a full/freash install of the dist. theres too many varribles that easily get messed up with that kind of upgrade
[18:54] <sebsebseb> !nounity | luciash
[18:54] <simpleblue> how about installing gnome shell on top in that case luciash?
[18:54] <Luci4n0> exit
[18:54] <luciash> !classic
[18:54] <h00k> diki: if you have some sort of cygwin installed on Windows, or 'ssh -X user@server' on another Linux machine
[18:55] <shyrh> !Unity
[18:55] <Ek123> tomodachi: Well it was giving me an error message when I tried it previously but now it seems to be starting from scratch which is annoying but at least it's working...
[18:55] <h00k> diki: also, consider the VNC that's built in, with a password
[18:55] <luciash> thanks guys, you were helpful, bye
[18:55] <tomodachi> Ek123: ok , see you on the other side :)
[18:56] <suhel> can anyone explain me this command, I know what it does but need to learn exactly wats the funda behind it 'ps ax | grep dpkg'
[18:56] <Ek123> tomodachi: Thanks :)
[18:56] <zelozelos> recently i had to fix grub b/c i crashed it fooling around with stuff. now i'm stuck with 2.6.32-10 or something. i think the lates is -34...but the upgrade manager isnt upgrading...what do i do?
[18:56] <thorn> please look at this: http://imm.io/ahBs I have a glitch that keeps repeating itself. This never happened before with previous releases of ubuntu, only with 11.04. it seems to have to do with text rendering and window drawing... how can I reset this when it happens without messing up my other things? How can I fix it altogether?
[18:56] <DangerOnTheRangr> suhel: It retrieves the list of all running processes, and only prints lines starting with "dpkg"
[18:57] <Phr3d13> we were both wrong, it was - do-release-upgrade
[18:57] <james296> can anyone here tell me why I cant find Wunderlist in the Ubuntu Software Center?
[18:57] <robinsch> just to same everyone some trouble, the daily build is same as the final release
[18:57] <suhel> DangerOnTheRangr wow thanks, my ubuntu software center got stucked twice and I like a fool did a reboot but than read on internet about that command and killing the process
[18:58] <dr_willis> !info wunderlist
[18:58] <james296> everyone says its now there, I cant find it
[18:58] <zelozelos> recently i had to fix grub b/c i crashed it fooling around with stuff. now i'm stuck with 2.6.32-10 or something. i think the lates is -34...but the upgrade manager isnt upgrading...what do i do?  can i use the package manager to upgrade?..should i just wait till the next upgrade?
[18:58] <dr_willis> dosent seem to be there.. unless you spelt it wrong
[18:58] <DangerOnTheRangr> suhel: No problem :)
[18:58] <suhel> zelozelos what error does it show you?
[18:58] <JayWalker_> are there any configuration options for unity?
[18:58] <diki> h00k:i am on windows
[18:58] <diki> and i want to ssh to an ubuntu installation
[18:58] <dr_willis> JayWalker_:  the ccsm tool has some tweaks in its unity plugin you can play with.
[18:59] <james296> why isnt it there?
[18:59] <dr_willis> james296:  no idea. never heard of it.
[18:59] <zebulon> hi
[18:59] <suhel> DangerOnTheRangr do you know any site where I can learn all this basic commands of terminal, I've just dumped windows (only 2 weeks old user)  :)
[18:59] <zelozelos> suhel, thers no error, i can boot not, but its the version of grub that came with 11.04 (recovered from the install disk) now it dont offer any upgrades at all
[18:59] <dr_willis> !cli | zelozelos
[18:59] <zebulon> i'm tearing my hair out with a youtube/embedded flash player fullscreen discolouring, can someone help me out?
[18:59] <dr_willis> zelozelos:  track down a copy of 'using bash' by the O'reily company. :)
[19:00] <mx> hello there
[19:00] <zelozelos> huh? dr_willis ?
[19:00] <diki> but i need to know if i will be able to use the GUI
[19:00] <zebulon> Dennis Ritchie RIP :..(
[19:00] <stephni> if  upgrade will i lose all my documents and settings?
[19:00] <zmbmartin> Anyone else getting a connection timeout in thunderbird? My thunderbird is working but it seems ever 15 mins or so sometimes longer I get a connection timeout error.
[19:00] <james296> so is it possible to get Wunderlist in Oneiric?
[19:00] <dr_willis> heh  by the time i read a line.. the nick has allready scrolled up. :)
[19:01] <GriGi> hi, i got lil question: How to change icons in 11.10? I know how to do it in 11.04 but now i have lost my icons and i don't know how to change icons theme :/
[19:01] <suhel> stephni if you upgrade with network manager, NO. if you do a fresh install YES. in either case its safe to backup the home directory
[19:01] <dr_willis> james296:  assume that no one in here has even heard of the app.. what is it?
[19:01] <GriGi> it's not in the same place where i can change wallaper as it was in 11.04
[19:01] <james296> a to-do application
[19:01] <dr_willis> james296:  there may be ppa's or you could use the source.
[19:01] <sebsebseb> GriGi: I don't think you can just go and change the icons in 11.10
[19:01] <sebsebseb> GriGi: yep
[19:01] <magik_> hi =)
[19:01] <zebulon> no one know how to properly fix adobe flash embedded video player acceleration problems? i've tried all the google solutions and they're notworking
[19:01] <thorn> !weather
[19:01] <moljac024> ok i just tried 11.10 with unity 2d and i have a question...how and WHY THE F*** does unity 2d have compositing?
[19:01] <james296> Ive tried but the installation fails when running the installer
[19:01] <sebsebseb> GriGi: Ubuntu 11.10 is using GNome 3.2 that's why, Unity by default, Gnome Shell in repos, and a fall back mode
[19:01] <trinimoses> thanks guys.. i will jsut do the security patchs for ym 10.04lts
[19:01] <moljac024> its every bit as sluggish as full unity
[19:01] <magik_> did anyone know how to install madwifi ?
[19:01] <thorn> please look at this: http://imm.io/ahBs I have a glitch that keeps repeating itself. This never happened before with previous releases of ubuntu, only with 11.04. it seems to have to do with text rendering and window drawing... how can I reset this when it happens without messing up my other things? How can I fix it altogether?
[19:01] <stephni> am upgrading with network manager so am i safe?
[19:01] <sebsebseb> !gnome2 | GriGi
[19:02] <Taj> i dislike the new software center
[19:02] <Taj> as it gives no clue as to wtf is actually going on
[19:02] <suhel> stephni yes :) but still a backup wont hurt
[19:02] <GriGi> Awww, so im sad now :(
[19:02] <DangerOnTheRangr> suhel: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ is good - hold on while I get a few more links
[19:02] <zebulon> ohwell :/
[19:02] <Taj> so, for example i'm tryin to install gnome
[19:02] <stephni> ok
[19:02] <magik_> anybody know how to install madwifi guys ?
[19:02] <Taj> and it appears to have hung up on somethin
[19:02] <dr_willis> Taj:  i just install synaptic and use that.
[19:02] <chetan-> archive.canonical.com having problems today?
[19:02] <Taj> but no clue what cuz its just 'applying'
[19:02] <james296> new users just need to see that its being installed Taj
[19:02] <dr_willis> Taj:  today on a new release.. its very likely the servers are overloaded.
[19:02] <GriGi> Okay, thanks for info guys
[19:02] <sebsebseb> GriGi: I assume you
[19:02] <Taj> its downloaded
[19:02] <Taj> its just hung on applying
[19:02] <sebsebseb> GriGi: I assume you changed the icons the Gnome 2 way and such, but with Gnome 3 things are diffenret
[19:02] <jrr> where'd the rest of the appearance dialog go?
[19:03] <sebsebseb> GriGi: as for the background changeer program persoanlly from what I seen I prefer the old Gnome 2 one :)
[19:03] <mx> i need some help with my dads MEDION Notebook MD 97600 and the latest ubuntu. can't get the darn en1 adapter to work, since there is a switch next to the keyboard that is always deactivated in ubuntu.
[19:03] <Taj> also any idea why some icons are invisible in the launcher?
[19:03] <Taj> i have xchat  on there, but no icon
[19:03] <Taj> my home folder is also invis
[19:03] <zmbmartin> james296: I was wondering the same thing. I read wunderlist was in software center but I don't see it.
[19:03] <Taj> as is the trash
[19:03] <Taj> but if i hover over them it says what it is
[19:03] <mx> anyone got an idea?!
[19:03] <trism> jrr: it is gone for now, probably want to install gnome-tweak-tool if you want to change the settings that were previously there
[19:03] <nascentmind> Has ubuntu servers crashed already?
[19:03] <jrr> trism: k, thanks
[19:03] <GriGi> sebsebseb, so there's some program or something that can let me change the icons?
[19:03] <magik_> mx, do you know how to install madwifi ?
[19:03] <vivid> question: is this what the close/minimize/maximize buttons for dash look like for you? http://imageshack.us/f/207/crappyclose.png/
[19:04] <sebsebseb> GriGi:  well maybe in there soem wehre
[19:04] <share> what is the command to choose the default browser?
[19:04] <james296> its supposed to be there, they even emailed me saying Wunderlist is available in the Software Center through Oneiric
[19:04] <suhel> stephni use this simple command to backup home directory "rsync -au /home/tom <destination folder>"
[19:04] <suhel> DangerOnTheRangr thanks man I will check it out
[19:04] <DangerOnTheRangr> suhel: Here's a few more links: http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html, and http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/ (the official reference manual, a bit dry though)
[19:04] <GriGi> sebsebseb, okay, so i'll look for something like this or i will just start using standard icon set
[19:04] <magik_> share, you go to the options of the browser i think ^^
[19:04] <suhel> stephni btw replace tom with your username
[19:04] <sebsebseb> GriGi: now your in Unity, but
[19:04] <share> magik_: ...
[19:04] <cdavis> How can I look at the files within a .deb file?
[19:04] <dr_willis> james296:  who is 'they' ?
[19:04] <stephni> ok
[19:04] <mx> magik_: thank you for your answer. i tried, but it seams not to do the trick for me, although in the documentaries it say it should
[19:05] <vlt> Hello. What group do I need to be in to be able to access the sound device? I can run alsamixer only as root and got no music indicator in the upper right corner.
[19:05] <dr_willis> cdavis:  the 'mc' file manager can browse the contents
[19:05] <crash1hd> This is interesting, if I have my machine plugged into my old 19inch crt monitor via vga when I try to boot ubuntu 11.10 it gets to a certain point and the monitor shuts off like its out of sync but if I use my newer lcd monitor via dvi connection it boots fine? any idea how I can make it work with the vga?
[19:05] <sebsebseb> GriGi: well that gnome tweak tool might work with Unity as well for exmaple, plus  Gnome has it's config settings like wehre your changing your background, look aorund probaby something for icons
[19:05] <zelozelos> OH WAit..somehow i didnt notice its 2.6.38..not 2.6.32 so i do have the best version for 11.04 i suppose...now i can rest at ease rofl
[19:05] <sebsebseb> !notunity > GriGi
[19:05] <suhel> DangerOnTheRangr thats a lot of link thanks :D :D :D
[19:05] <adam61> hi, i'm running Lubuntu with chrome, and can't get any sound at all from my browser. i tried reinstalling flash installers and browsers including chromium, but couldn't get it to work. i gave up and haven't tried anything for months now, but i'm still without sound. can anyone please help?
[19:05] <share> sudo dpkg-reconfigure (browser)
[19:05] <GriGi> !notunity
[19:05] <zebulon> back to google trawling this irritating video acceleration problem in embedded video players, cya
[19:05] <zmbmartin> james296: I am seeing it. That is all I know.
[19:05] <share> zebulon: whats the issue?
[19:05] <share> ..
[19:05] <magik_> mx, but you deinstalled the ath9k right ?
[19:05] <DangerOnTheRangr> suhel: You can find even more on Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bash_(Unix_shell)
[19:06] <sebsebseb> GriGi: or maybe not, since Gnome 3 themes are done diffenrelty as well hmm for Shell, hmm, ah well worth a look around anyway
[19:06] <mx> magik_> i did
[19:06] <zmbmartin> Anyone else having problems where unity is behind windows after a wakeup from sleep or hibernate?
[19:06] <blahsphemer> How do I get gcc-3.4.x for a 64-bit Ubuntu?
[19:06] <zelozelos> adam61 only thing i can suggest is opening the sound pref's by right clicking on the sound applet, click prefs then check under the programs tab to make sure its not muted --or at least listed in that tab
[19:06] <kiweb> hi. ubuntu's apparmor is blocking mysqld from starting, after I moved the mysqld data directory elsewhere. how do I stop it from doing that?
[19:06] <share> sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[19:06] <share> this is the command
[19:06] <magik_> mx, hmm.. just a secound =)..
[19:07] <iceroot> kiweb: mysqld installed from the repos?
[19:07] <kiweb> iceroot: yes
[19:07] <suhel> DangerOnTheRangr one quick question though can I ask?
[19:07] <DangerOnTheRangr> suhel: Sure :)
[19:07] <adam61> zelozelos thanks, where would i find the 'sound applet'?
[19:07] <iceroot> kiweb: can you paste the error-message to pastebin when using the default dir?
[19:07] <mx> magik_: in windows the switch is activated via a launcher.exe software, but in ubuntu ... well i don`t know..sure take your time
[19:07] <james296> zmbmartin you mean your seeing Wunderlist in the software center??
[19:08] <kiweb> iceroot: default dir works ok, it's the new one that doesn't
[19:08] <diki> Anyone ever used amazon aws?
[19:08] <zelozelos> adam1 it should be on the default panel. otherwise you can goto system, pref, sound
[19:08] <zmbmartin> james296: No I am not seeing it in there.
[19:08] <james296> ah ok
[19:08] <iceroot> kiweb: the new one?
[19:08] <iceroot> kiweb: why changing the dirs?
[19:08] <kiweb> iceroot: not enough space on the default partition
[19:08] <suhel> DangerOnTheRangr many times when I use terminal for installing application with the apt-get command am somehow not able to write the exact name of the package and it returns Package not found, is there a way to use any wildcard? like ' sudo apt-get install *vlc*
[19:09] <adam61> zelozelos, i didn't think there was a 'system' in linux.. i couldn't see it in the default panel
[19:09] <magik_> mx, did you tryied this .. sudo -s
[19:09] <magik_> mx, echo "options ath9k nohwcrypt=1" > /etc/modprobe.d/ath9k.conf .. ?
[19:09] <zelozelos> suhel, try tab
[19:09] <deebee_> kiweb: You can put the AppArmour profile for mysqld into something called "complain" mode, which will disable it, but if you look at the syslog, it'll still log when the AppArmor profile would have blocked an operation
[19:09] <iceroot> kiweb: you moved the whole mysql-installation somewhere else? or just /var/lib/mysql?
[19:09] <zelozelos> suhel like vlc(tab)
[19:09] <iceroot> kiweb: why not mounting something into /var/lib/mysql
[19:09] <suhel> zelozelos oh ok, thanks I will try it :)
[19:09] <GriGi> Okay, so if im here maybe somebody will help me with my other problem: when i was on 11.04 i change my account settings so when i login i don't need to type password, but when i login and when my wallpaper appear i got window where i must type my password.
[19:09] <magik_> mx, no you dont take my time i am new in linux too =)
[19:09] <blahsphemer> How do I get gcc-3.4.x for a 64-bit Ubuntu?
[19:09] <GriGi> Now i want to type password before login and don't know where to do that in new "users settings", there are only "automatic login" but i turned it off and still when im logging it didn't ask me for password, there are just "login" button.
[19:09] <deebee_> kiweb: you can then use that to modify the AppArmor profile and then re-enable it
[19:09] <Duelisti> Downloaded 11.10, I have an extra battery icon  and an unnecessary empathy icon in the panel and I want to get rid of them. How?
[19:10] <suhel> Duelisti did you install 11.10 over 11.04 directly?
[19:10] <daviddoria> when i click my user name in the top right, I setup a google account and have everything check (use this account for mail, calendar, contacts, chat, documents) - where will I find these things activated? Like I started empathy and it didn't seem to know i wanted to use my google account for chat - and where would my google calendar be used, etc?
[19:10] <kiweb> iceroot: just /var/lib/mysql, I'd like it to share a partition with other stuff that takes lots of space
[19:10] <joo_> gday
[19:10] <thorn> please look at this: http://imm.io/ahBs I have a glitch that keeps repeating itself. This never happened before with previous releases of ubuntu, only with 11.04. it seems to have to do with text rendering and window drawing... how can I reset this when it happens without messing up my other things? How can I fix it altogether?
[19:10] <Duelisti> suhel, yes
[19:10] <magik_> mx, (sry for my bad english ) and if you didnt tryied make it and reboot the mashine =)
[19:10] <mx> magik_: i`ll try that. well it is a always a learning process, right (:
[19:10] <xr--> Test :)
[19:10] <bashelina> !classic
[19:10] <chrono86> does anyone know why lightdm only takes up the resolution of my laptop's lcd and not the full resolution of the external monitor that's hooked up?
[19:10] <iceroot> kiweb: i guess then you have to change the apparmor settings
[19:10] <share> after starting I2P it open Chrome but Firefox is set as default browser. How can I fix this?
[19:10] <bashelina> !classic
[19:11] <share> annoying
[19:11] <DangerOnTheRangr> suhel: Yes - pressing Tab expands the package name. However, if what you've written is *not* the start of the name of the package you want to install, Tab won't work. In those cases, using "apt-cache search <query>" is a better option
[19:11] <sebsebseb> bashelina: that factoid you just did is for 11.04 not 11.10
[19:11] <GriGi> daviddoria, i want to know answer for that question too, im using Google account and don't know where i can see my calendar, mail, contacts...
[19:11] <xangua> daviddoria: on thunderbird
[19:11] <magik_> mx, i am having a little problem with the unblacklisting of the ath9k can u give me a hand ^^ ?
[19:11] <sebsebseb> bashelina: however once you got the fall back mode, its' ther on the log in screen for you to select
[19:11] <Bisu[Shield]> I have a single zip that has 100 zips within when i extract them all, they create 100 separate folders
[19:11] <Bisu[Shield]> how do i extract them all in one folder
[19:11] <jonte> Which calendar applications besides evolution integrate with the "clock calendar" in the upper right corner?
[19:11] <Duelisti> suhel: I installed 11.10 over 11.04 directly
[19:11] <suhel> Duelisti I did the same when I first installed 11.10 beta I'd the same problem, its some sort of clash between the two versions. a clean install will fixx it
[19:11] <zelozelos> adam61, did you find it? im using gnomenu  and glx-dock, dont have any gnome panels at all..but sound preferences are somewhere in the user prefs found by : about me, appearance, assistive tech..etc
[19:11] <bashelina> sebsebseb,  i cant even get there.. this has fucked up my hole system
[19:11] <Duelisti> damn
[19:12] <mx> magik_: i'll try
[19:12] <sebsebseb> !notunity | bashelina
[19:12] <sebsebseb> bashelina: install fall back mode, log out, log into it, done
[19:12] <ButlerGeorge> Hello everyone, I just upgraded and am stuck because gnome doesn't show the bar on top correctly http://i.imgur.com/PebJc.png
[19:12] <magik_> mx, thanks .. =)
[19:12] <deebee_> kiweb: the AppArmor profiles are just text files, stored in /etc/apparmor.d/
[19:12] <suhel> Duelisti you can still search the internet for more info. though
[19:12] <mx> magik_: looking it up..
[19:12] <suhel> DangerOnTheRangr whooot :D
[19:12] <michael_> Is it out yet?
[19:12] <Tm_T> bashelina: please try keep language familyfriendly
[19:13] <DangerOnTheRangr> suhel: Anytime :)
[19:13] <Duelisti> I don't want to lose all of my stuff, but I guess it has to be done
[19:13] <kiweb> deebee_: thanks. is there an interface to manage them or can I just go and edit away?
[19:13] <ButlerGeorge> Does anyone know what to do with my problem? http://i.imgur.com/PebJc.png
[19:13] <sebsebseb> !home | Duelisti
[19:13] <Bisu[Shield]> I have a single zip that has 100 zips within when i extract them all, they create 100 separate folders, how do I extract them all into one folder?
[19:13] <sebsebseb> Duelisti: sepeate /homes are useful
[19:13] <magik_> mx, ok =)
[19:13] <sebsebseb> Duelisti: for when you wnat to re install a distro or switch to another
[19:13] <s1> thorn: check and see if your Graphic/Video Card Driver is active. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[19:14] <mx> magik_>: http://dimitar.me/how-to-enable-the-ath9k-wireless-driver-on-ubuntu-lucid-10-04/
[19:14] <deebee_> kiweb: not that I'm aware of, but I've not looked too hard. Editing them directly should be fine
[19:14] <zelozelos> ButlerGeorge, thers only one fix that i know of, reinstall, and dont upgrade always do a full install
[19:14] <Duelisti> sebsebseb, I just upgraded from 11.04 to 11.10 but it isn't working well so I guess I need to clean install
[19:14] <sebsebseb> Duelisti: yep
[19:14] <esteeven> Hello. How do I disable bluetooth in 11.10? Or at least stop it starting in my session.
[19:15] <tVenc> hey guys?
[19:15] <tVenc> how to change brighness at startup?
[19:15] <taisa> help pls: opening the evolution calendar in 11.10 results in error and closes evolution
[19:15] <ButlerGeorge> zelozelos: OK, thanks :/µ
[19:15] <h00k> taisa: well, what does the error say?
[19:15] <kydan> hey guys, got an issue with unity/X11/gdm. Just upgraded from 11.04 to 11.10 and when I try to log into my user, I hit enter after entering my password and the screen goes blank for  minute then returns to the login screen. any ideas?
[19:15] <adam61> zelozelos, ya i still can't find anything
[19:15] <suhel> Duelisti you wont lose any stuff if you backup
[19:15] <xangua> esteeven: go to startup apps preferences and disable it
[19:15] <sebsebseb> kydan: sounds like your upgrade gone wrong, best to do a clean install
[19:15] <mx> magik_: is it any good for your purpose ?!
[19:15] <tVenc> can somebody help me?
[19:16] <magik_> mx, ok thanks =) i will try ...
[19:16] <taisa> in german: Speicherzugriffsfehler, Segmentation fault
[19:16] <suhel> duelisti backup your home directory and maybe you can even back up /var/cache/apt
[19:16] <martian> tVenc: if you ask a question, someone may.
[19:16] <Duelisti> Do I need an external hard drive for backupping
[19:16] <mx> magik_:  (:
[19:16] <deebee_> kiweb: there's a ubuntu-server channel, which can be good for those sorts of questions
[19:16] <simpleblue> downloading 11.10 by torrent now
[19:16] <Phr3d13> kydan, is the hard drive full?
[19:17] <kydan> sebsebseb: any logs for x11 that I can check to get some bugs. Im logged in on the guest account fine atm
[19:17] <tVenc> how to change default brighness setting at startuo?
[19:17] <DangerOnTheRangr> martian: I think he did: (02:15:16 PM) tVenc: how to change brighness at startup?
[19:17] <zelozelos> adam61, hmm...if it isnt there anywhere that may be the source of the problem...idk why it wouldnt be though. somewhere in the if you have unity, try typing "sound"
[19:17] <aldos> is it normal that my 11.10 uses more than 1gb of ram?
[19:17] <sebsebseb> kydan: yeah maybe, but don't really know about that
[19:17] <esteeven> xangua, my problem is that I can't find the startup apps
[19:17] <zebulon> yay youtube-popout player ^_^
[19:17] <sebsebseb> aldos: nope
[19:17] <sebsebseb> aldos: don't think so
[19:17] <kydan> Phr3d13: dont think so, but i imagine that my trash was quite full. Is there a x11/gdm log I could maybe get some more info from?
[19:17] <aldos> what can i do?
[19:17] <taisa> h00k: in german: Speicherzugriffsfehler, Segmentation fault
[19:17] <zelozelos> adam61, also if you are using glx-dock and have a volume icon, you can double click on it as well to get to it
[19:17] <Douggle> hi i m having a wubi error
[19:17] <kydan> Phr3d13: im logged into the guest account atm, so I know its working at least in part
[19:17] <Douggle> can someone give me a hand?
[19:17] <Duelisti> Do I need an external hard drive for backupping
[19:18] <Phr3d13> /var/logs/
[19:18] <sebsebseb> aldos: don't  know, but make sure you got swap, but you will have by default anwyay
[19:18] <adam61> zelozelos, i don't think i have unity, i'm using Lubuntu. where do i type 'sound'? i don't think i have glx-dock either
[19:18] <sebsebseb> adam61: there's also a #lubuntu channel
[19:18] <neriko> Not sure which room to be in for this: I have v10.10, and can't connect to a Netgear router. Any ideas how to fix this?
[19:18] <magik_> mx, my internet is enabled i am using the wireless but i am trying to install madwifi drivers for better networking =) ..
[19:18] <sebsebseb> neriko: yep this is the correct room
[19:18] <suhel> Duelisti do you have any other drives? other than the ubuntu one?
[19:18] <adam61> sebsebseb, thx i am there also, but it is pretty empty
[19:18] <Duelisti> nope
[19:18] <xr--> What a nice roof :)
[19:18] <neriko> Woot! Thanks seb
[19:19] <xr--> Room
[19:19] <sebsebseb> neriko: for what?
[19:19] <magik_> mx, so i am trying to replace ath9k with madwifi ^^ but hanks for the help
[19:19] <suhel> Duelisti erm than you will need an external drive? a pen drive would do
[19:19] <mx> magik_: do you kow how to install ?!
[19:19] <neriko> getting my hopes up :)
[19:19] <sebsebseb> neriko: how so?
[19:19] <Duelisti> I'll pass
[19:19] <vlt> Hello. I have working audio and network but the indicator icons don’t know this. “No network devices available” and I can’t set the volume (except in alsamixer). Any idea what to check first?
[19:19] <zelozelos> can someone tell adam61 how to get to the sound preferences for lxde?
[19:19] <suhel> Duelisti hmmm ok
[19:19] <neriko> I got something right for a change
[19:19] <Duelisti> I don't have anything too important
[19:19] <magik_> mx, yes but i cant find the blacklist of ath9k .. :/
[19:19] <esteeven> xangua, or to be more precise, I can find "start up applications" but it is empty.
[19:19] <neriko> Now, I just need an answer to my question
[19:20] <suhel> Duelisti cool :)
[19:20] <magik_> mx, which dont let me install madwifi :P
[19:20] <mx> magik_: sometimes it's tricky business. sorry i couldn't be of more help
[19:20] <simpleblue> torrent downloading at 1.2 Mb/s :D
[19:21] <mx> magik_: maybe that's the reason why its called "mad"wifi (:
[19:21] <suhel> simpleblue jealous of you lol
[19:21] <simpleblue> lol
[19:21] <magik_> mx, no problem =)  . :D yeah ..
[19:21] <simpleblue> i'm jealous of the seeder. thats one heck of an upload speed
[19:21] <thorn> 11.04, and it's a similar glitch on every desktop, Dell optiplexes...
[19:21] <zelozelos> adam61, after reading a bit on lxde, the sound is handled by a diff program, but you can install gnome-sound-  if you wish
[19:22] <sebsebseb>  
[19:22] <Griwes> hello, i just updated to 11.10 and both apt-get and muon does not work
[19:22] <suhel> DangerOnTheRangr one thing that I found weird on 11.10 is if I'm using nautilus with gksu whatever folder I copy paste it sticks with them root rights, :(
[19:22] <tetsuo--> can someone help me find out which packadge is causing the upgrade failure?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/707515/
[19:22] <Griwes> muon segfaults and apt-get returns to "input" (i can't find better word)
[19:22] <mx> magik_: sometimes its rather frustration depending on the amount of time already spend
[19:22] <adam61> zelozelos, thanks, do u know what program handles it? i'm hesitant to install any new programs because i had enormous problems with alsa conflicts etc
[19:22] <suhel> simpleblue I hardly get an download speed of 150Kb/s (frankly speaking its quite more in my area lol)
[19:23] <neriko> Router Model: WNR3500v2 All other computers connect fine, but my hp with v10.10 detects the network and times out on connect
[19:23] <trism> esteeven: they are all hidden by default in oneiric, but you can copy the ones you want to edit from /etc/xdg/autostart to ~/.config/autostart/ and remove the NoDisplay=true line, then they will appear in startup applications
[19:23] <zelozelos> adam61, still reading ...try google.. do lxde sound preferences...you might find it b4 i do...(will probably)
[19:23] <simpleblue> i'm not really sure how it works suhel. i just know that my connection is quite good
[19:24] <esteeven> trism, many thanks. that's what I was looking for!!
[19:24] <DangerOnTheRangr> suhel: That actually makes sense - Nautilus is running as the root user, so naturally when you move a file or folder around, Nautilus attempts to transfer the rights of whatever it's copying/moving to the user Nautilus is running as, in this case, root
[19:24] <magik_> mx, i have the worst english in the chat which doesnt allow me to understand what you writed ^^ sry..
[19:24] <suhel> darn its 1:00 am, g2g to bed.... good night all... @ simpleblue , DangerontheRangr
[19:24] <DangerOnTheRangr> cya :)
[19:24] <bytesaber_work> how does the "proprietary drivers" thing in Ubuntu work?  What is the deamon or project that's doing that job of looking for such thigns?   And why can't those drivesr just be on the install cd?
[19:24] <Pici> magik_: There is a spanish channel at #ubuntu-es if that is easier for you.
[19:24] <simpleblue> tc suhel
[19:24] <suhel> DangerOnTheRangr I'll chew your head tomorrow :p thanks for all the help :)
[19:25] <DangerOnTheRangr> No problem :)
[19:25] <zelozelos> adam61, i think i found what u need   http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=71048.0
[19:25] <mx> magik_: sorry to hear that. maybe we can switch languages..?!
[19:25] <MrElendig> bytesaber_work: some can't beacuse of licensing, some because of political reasons
[19:25] <adam61> zelozelos, awesome thank u so much! i'll check it out
[19:25] <magik_> Pici, thanks but i like the people here =)
[19:25] <taisa> Segmentation fault when opening nautilus, Segmention fault, when opening calendar in evolution
[19:25] <magik_> mx, what languages you speak ^^ ?
[19:25] <monstaRtruck> HAY guys
[19:26] <bytesaber_work> MrElendig, even tho they're being included for free regardless
[19:26] <zelozelos> adam61, np hope u get it working correctly
[19:26] <monstaRtruck> how can i customize this
[19:26] <monstaRtruck> -bash-4.1$
[19:26] <MrElendig> monstaRtruck: set PROMP or PS1 to whatever you like
[19:26] <bytesaber_work> MrElendig, not arguing it.  I"m gladd they still show up in my system.  Just think it's kinda funny how they are taken care of after an install is done.
[19:26] <monstaRtruck> how?
[19:26] <mx> magik_: dutch, german, japanese and some other "more bad than good"
[19:27] <monstaRtruck> i used to know lol
[19:27] <monstaRtruck> i forgot
[19:27] <magik_> mx, well ^^ ?
[19:27] <MrElendig> monstaRtruck: export PS1='lolprompt\$'
[19:27] <simpleblue> burning 11.10 to disk
[19:27] <mx> magik_: pick one :P
[19:27] <monstaRtruck> yeah thats what i did in bash
[19:27] <monstaRtruck> thx
[19:27] <MrElendig> mx: see the bash manual page and  http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/ for details
[19:28] <monstaRtruck> how do i list all the globals again?
[19:28] <MrElendig> ermm monstaRtruck ^
[19:28] <MrElendig> asuming you are using basg
[19:28] <vivid> i performed an upgrade a while back....how i can reset unity to default settings?
[19:28] <MrElendig> monstaRtruck: put it in your ~/.bashrc
[19:28] <magik_> mx, spanish ^^ ?
[19:28] <vivid> like, where are its config files under ~/
[19:28] <Bisu[Shield]> hmm my update from 11.04 to 11.10 delete /var/www directory, how do i recover it?
[19:28] <iceroot> Bisu[Shield]: the content or the dir itself?
[19:28] <kydan> I had set some custom values to force dual-monitor to work on my nvida card and I suspect that it is causing an issue with my upgrade to 11.10, I cant remeber the file I did that to though, any ideas on how to "reset" my display settings?
[19:28] <Bisu[Shield]> yes
[19:29] <llutz> Bisu[Shield]: restore backup
[19:29] <novns> I use 10.04 for everyday work
[19:29] <iceroot> Bisu[Shield]: can you paste /var/log/apt/term.log
[19:29] <novns> I tried every newer versions
[19:29] <iceroot> Bisu[Shield]: cant imaging the update deleted it
[19:29] <MrElendig> kydan: /etc/X11/xorg.conf(.d)
[19:29] <iceroot> !paste | Bisu[Shield]
[19:29] <mx> magik_: that would be great. guess we better stick with english, sorry
[19:29] <kydan> MrElendig: thanks, I think that was it actually
[19:29] <goltoof> nautilus strace, what's going on here?   http://pastebin.com/Jaf6UcKv
[19:29] <novns> now I just installed 11.04
[19:30] <mx> MrElendig: thank you. but details for what ..?!
[19:30] <kydan> MrElendig: any ideas on how to get a "fresh" coopy of the xorg.conf?
[19:30] <novns> and it sucks a lot
[19:30] <magik_> mx, ok no problem ^^ :P
[19:30] <sebsebseb> novns: Oh?
[19:30] <novns> even menu is slow-responding
[19:30] <vivid> kydan, you dont need xorg.conf, delete it to get a fresh default copy
[19:30] <MrElendig> kydan: just rm it, you most likely don't need it anyway
[19:30] <novns> totally slowness
[19:30] <novns> with compositing or not
[19:30] <vivid> novns, install video drivers
[19:30] <kydan> MrElendig: ok, sweet, thanks
[19:30] <novns> already
[19:31] <mx> magik_: (:
[19:31] <magik_> mx, i can speak bulgarian , spanish , english , macedonian and a few words on greek :D :P pick one =)
[19:31] <vivid> novns, what video card?
[19:31] <mx> magik_: english it is !!
[19:31] <novns> radeon hd2600
[19:31] <magik_> mx, OK :D :P
[19:31] <sebsebseb> novns: Unity issues I guess or something
[19:31] <sebsebseb> !nounity > novns
[19:31] <novns> and it's fast in 10.04
[19:31] <goltoof> nautilus strace, what's going on?   http://pastebin.com/Jaf6UcKv
[19:31] <mx> magik_: although when we meet again in a few years spanish will do just fine. it is on my list.
[19:32] <magik_> mx, ok i hope i learn greek and dutch perfect ^^ :P
[19:32] <vivid> novns, post the output of 'apt-cache policy fglrx'
[19:32] <magik_> mx, so we wouldnt have any problems in the future :P
[19:32] <mx> magik_: languages are fun and quite complicated in the beginning, but thats the fun part to figure it out
[19:33] <thorn> please look at this: http://imm.io/ahBs I have a glitch that keeps repeating itself. This never happened before with previous releases of ubuntu, only with 11.04. it seems to have to do with text rendering and window drawing... how can I reset this when it happens without messing up my other things? How can I fix it altogether?
[19:33] <mx> magik_: thats right! (:
[19:33] <Bisu[Shield]> http://pastebin.com/Bg1BmWVW  <-- /var/log/apt/term.log
[19:33] <sebsebseb> !patience | thorn
[19:33] <bob1213232> Hi all. Im trying to install on a new box but having issues which I think maybe down to ahci.
[19:33] <simpleblue> are there any programs in fedora that will allow me to copy my ubuntu11.04.iso to USB?\
[19:34] <magik_> mx, yeah =) i like learning language but on the middle of the learning i am bored from the people talking and i understand a part of it :/ .. but that is fun too :D :P
[19:34] <vivid> simpleblue, ask in #fedora ?
[19:34] <Bisu[Shield]> i didn't back it up
[19:34] <adam61> zelozelos, i installed gnome-alsamixer, and a bunch of channels Were muted, but i maxed them all and unmuted them, but it didn't make any difference unfortunately. do you have any ideas?
[19:34] <simpleblue> because i'm not sure if those programs can handle the ubuntu iso
[19:34] <mayjune> the new version : ubuntu 11.10 ,it's awsome!
[19:34] <sebsebseb> mayjune: Why you think that?
[19:34] <mx> magik_: did you learn all those languages just for fun or for a particulat purpose ?!
[19:34] <wakko> hi
[19:34] <goltoof> !ot | mx
[19:34] <bob1213232> I have 3 disks, 0 is normal hdd, 1 is an ssd and 2 is a hdd. Im installing ubuntu onto 2. During the custom install ive tried installing grub to disk 0, disk 1 and also the windows boot on disk 1
[19:35] <bob1213232> However, none load grub, just straight into windows
[19:35] <gaby> hello - iam trying to use wine on ubuntu to install some windows programs - and it tells me that its not marked as executable - any help please
[19:35] <iceroot> bob1213232: then you are not booting from the correct disc
I'm using it now .Feeling good
[19:35] <wakko> why i cannot have multiple AuthorizedKeysFile in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on ubuntu? (it works on gentoo)
[19:35] <mx> magik_: i see.
[19:35] <zelozelos> adam61, hmmm...not sure really..perhaps flash has something to do with it. try re-asking/stating the issue maybe someone else knows
[19:35] <zelozelos> sorry
[19:35] <sebsebseb> gaby: right cick on the .exe and  make it executalbe I guess
[19:35] <sebsebseb> or something
[19:35] <h00k> gaby: Right click on it, go to properties
[19:35] <novns> vivid, http://paste.ubuntu.com/707528/
[19:35] <bob1213232> BIOS is set to use AHCI so i cant set it to boot from any disk bar 1, the ssd
[19:35] <magik_> mx, am i think that they are very usefull for me ^^ that why =) ..
[19:35] <h00k> gaby: there's a check box that says to mark as executable
[19:36] <goltoof> can anybody just look at my pastebin for 2 seconds and give some sort of answer?  http://pastebin.com/Jaf6UcKv
[19:36] <adam61> zelozelos, i don't think it's flash, i've tried reinstalling that a million times, and my browsers don't play any sound, it's not just flash
[19:36] <bob1213232> i dont really want to have to switch between ide and ahci every time i switch boot
[19:36] <monstaRtruck> hey i made a .bashrc
[19:36] <monstaRtruck> its not working
[19:36] <vivid> novns, uhh, try just 'apt-cache policy fglrx'
[19:36] <bob1213232> iceroot: I cant change the boot disk without changing the bios from AHCI to IDE
[19:36] <monstaRtruck> what permissions should it be
[19:36] <zelozelos> adam61, 23 or 64 bit?
[19:36] <goltoof> do i exist?  can anyone see me?  grunt please
[19:36] <mx> magik_: i agree. knowlege is always useful.
[19:36] <bob1213232> which id prefer not to do every time :)
[19:36] <zelozelos> hehl....thats 32* or 64 bit adam61
[19:37] <thorn> I have a glitch that keeps repeating itself. See http://imm.io/ahBs for an example. This never happened before with previous releases of ubuntu, only with 11.04. it seems to have to do with text rendering and window drawing... how can I reset this when it happens without restarting? How can I fix it altogether?
[19:37] <novns> vivid, http://paste.ubuntu.com/707530/
[19:37] <vlt> Hello. I can’t access the audio settings. Even in lighdm. Could this be a permission issue?
[19:37] <goltoof> Pici:  am i banned?
[19:37] <vlt> *lightdm
[19:37] <gaby> dont know how to thank you all
[19:37] <novns> vivid, previous was with sudo
[19:37] <gaby> thank you very much
[19:37] <mayjune> Hey guys,do u know why after install the VGA driver ,the whole system become slowly? U know ，some effects
[19:37] <magik_> mx, and i think that if i keep doing that on 30 years i will know about 10 languages :D .. couse i like greek , dutch , brasil , french , catalan and portuguese ^^
[19:37] <goltoof> !ot | magik_
[19:37] <aboSamoor> how can I can caculate the CPU cycles that a process consume. I have two processes one of them is threaded and the second is not. I want to compare them in terms of effciency.
[19:38] <vivid> novns, bummer, im out of ideas since i dont run or advocate ati cards, but its probably an issue with your video driver
[19:38] <bytesaber_work> compiz and 3dfx a Gnome thing and not a Unity thing?
[19:38] <thorn> goltoof: you are there
[19:38] <magik_> ubottu, ok =) thanks
[19:38] <mx> magik_: stick to it. good concept!!!
[19:38] <goltoof> thorn:  thank you!
[19:38] <mx> magik_: and 10 languages it is!
[19:39] <digitttt> !help
[19:39] <novns> vivid, it's fast in 10.04, fast in fedora 15, and very fast in windows
[19:39] <goltoof> can anybody just look at my pastebin for 2 seconds and give some sort of answer?  http://pastebin.com/Jaf6UcKv
[19:39] <Name141> How is 11.10 ? Is it pretty stable  ? Or should I just install the LTS ?
[19:39] <digitttt> help me i can't even boot ubuntu 11.10 on my new motherboard gigabyte
[19:39] <goltoof> mx, magik_  this is a support channel guys, if you want to talk about something please join #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:39] <novns> vinic, and I don't think that it related to driver
[19:39] <mx> magik_: i noticed that as well
[19:39] <mx> ok i will
[19:40] <vivid> novns, no idea man, maybe someone else will know, unity is perfect for me on my nvidia card.....ask your original question again and try to get a new response
[19:40] <novns> vinic, well that's not a problem really, I'll stick to 10.04
[19:40] <iceroot> !recover | Bisu[Shield]
[19:40] <iceroot> Bisu[Shield]: lets use this channel, easier for me
[19:40] <digitttt> help me i can't even boot ubuntu 11.10 on my new motherboard gigabyte bios says booting operating system and nothing happens not even try to load anything on partition i have ubuntu installed please help me
[19:40] <novns> there's no reason to upgrade now
[19:40] <iceroot> !backup | Bisu[Shield]
[19:40] <vinic> wha
[19:41] <mx> magik_: i am on the off channel
[19:41] <digitttt> help me i can't even boot ubuntu 11.10 on my new motherboard gigabyte bios says booting operating system and nothing happens not even try to load anything on partition i have ubuntu installed please help me.    I have an OCZ SSD Hard Drive 120gbytes plus a mechanical hdd 1tb and i have ubuntu installed on  SSD
[19:41] <novns> just tried newer version and it doesn't make it
[19:41] <adam61> zelozelos, 64 i'm pretty sure
[19:41] <iceroot> Bisu[Shield]: there is something like /var/log/apt/term.log.1.gz
[19:41] <sui-generis> ops
[19:41] <iceroot> Bisu[Shield]: can you paste that instead of the term.log? i need the part where the upgrade was running
[19:41] <goltoof> cannot use nautilus, strace   http://pastebin.com/Jaf6UcKv
[19:41] <magik_> mx, ok we better stop talking about languages ^^ :)
[19:42] <goltoof> magik_: spasiba ;)
[19:42] <digitttt> help me i can't even boot ubuntu 11.10 on my new motherboard gigabyte bios says booting operating system and nothing happens not even try to load anything on partition i have ubuntu installed please help me.    I have an OCZ SSD Hard Drive 120gbytes plus a mechanical hdd 1tb and i have ubuntu installed on  SSD
[19:42] <mx> magik_: lol. might be a good idea
[19:42] <h00k> !patience | digitttt
[19:42] <mozinator> hi guys my ubuntu update hangs on archive.cannonical.com flash update
[19:42] <mozinator> anyone else notices this
[19:42] <mozinator> ?
[19:42] <bob1213232> sorry to repeat but busy in here, so ill do it all in one. new build 3 disks, 1 ssd (windows boot disk), bios in AHCI. Tried install grub to the hdd, the windows boot and the ssd itself (ubuntu is on a 3rd drive, another hdd) and no dice for any. I dont get grub just straight into windows. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks all.
[19:42] <h00k> mozinator: the repos are getting hammered today, you may experiences issues
[19:42] <B08> hi there I did the how to get back to pure kde and now it will not get past the plymouth boot screen any idea on what to do ?
[19:43] <iceroot> goltoof: "cant use" means?
[19:43] <mx> magik_: so for how long did you use linux ?
[19:43] <magik_> mx, about .. 3 days :/
[19:43] <simpleblue> rebooting with 11.10 disk * crosses fingers *
[19:43] <oCean> mx: please use the #ubuntu-offtopic channel for chat, magik_
[19:43] <goltoof> iceroot: can't meaning it hangs when i open it
[19:43] <iceroot> goltoof: any error-messages?
[19:44] <mozinator> h00k, ok just wait for timeout then
[19:44] <iceroot> goltoof: starting it as normal user? or root?
[19:44] <h00k> mozinator: you can try changing your mirrors
[19:44] <goltoof> iceroot: strace http://pastebin.com/Jaf6UcKv
[19:44] <mx> magik_: the "#ubuntu-offtopic" it is
[19:44] <h00k> !mirrors | mozinator
[19:44] <iceroot> goltoof: strace is way to much
[19:44] <magik_> oCean, we talk about linux =)
[19:44] <goltoof> iceroot:  when root sometimesit hangs sometimes not
[19:44] <B08> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde   <--- this is what I did do I have to mount the partitions on a different one then can I ereinstall the kernel ?
[19:44] <h00k> mozinator: if you go to the update preferences, you can pick a different mirror, or let it pick the 'fastest' one at the time
[19:44] <goltoof> iceroot:  yes ic
[19:44] <iceroot> goltoof: any errors when starting nautilus from shell without strace?
[19:44] <oCean> magik_: this channel is for technical support. Last warning: use #ubuntu-offtopic for social chat
[19:44] <mozinator> h00k, thanks going to try that
[19:44] <iceroot> goltoof: so the isse is only for root?
[19:45] <iceroot> goltoof: issue
[19:45] <goltoof> magik_:  if you don't have any questions pertaining to UBUNTU, not linux, or if you're not going to help people with ubuntu, please go to off topic channel
[19:45] <magik_> oCean, ok =)
[19:45] <goltoof> iceroot: it's for user, it hangs when i click on icon
[19:45] <DangerOnTheRangr> goltoof: Don't use caps, please
[19:46] <goltoof> iceroot: gksudo nautilus... sometimes it works
[19:46] <josefig> I'm having a problem when I try to upgrade, it says "Unresolved problem occurred while calculating the upgrade"
[19:46] <integris> Hi all, I just updated Ubuntu from 10.04 to 10.10. Now all my windows are dark? Not black but very dark as if they were shaded but backwards. Any ideas where to look to fix this? Any help is greatly appreciated!
[19:46] <magik_> goltoof, i have but noobody respond .. so my question is how to unblacklist ath5k and install madwifi couse i have slow internet .. :/
[19:47] <iceroot> goltoof: and without root?
[19:47] <goltoof> magik_: ok, focus on your questions then...
[19:47] <goltoof> iceroot:  i believe i'm repeating myself
[19:47] <thorn> I have a glitch that keeps repeating itself. See http://imm.io/ahBs for an example. This never happened before with previous releases of ubuntu, only with 11.04. it seems to have to do with text rendering and window drawing... how can I reset this when it happens without restarting? How can I fix it altogether?
[19:47] <goltoof> iceroot:  when root sometimesit hangs sometimes not
[19:47] <magik_> goltoof, so can you respond =) ?
[19:47] <goltoof> iceroot: when user always hangs
[19:48] <iceroot> goltoof: its a good idea to write usefull infos in one line
[19:48] <goltoof> magik_:  sorry not familiar with ath5k
[19:48] <iceroot> goltoof: when starting nautilus without strace from the shell, any errors?
[19:48] <JeffFromOhio> Hello. I need to install the 32-bit version of the "chrpath" package on a 64-bit Ubuntu installation. How can I get apt-get to download and install the 32-bit version?
[19:48] <iceroot> !blacklist
[19:48] <goltoof> iceroot:  when user (not root) it hangs when i click an icon, when root (not user) only hangs sometimes
[19:48] <iceroot> magik_: remove your line from /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[19:48] <bob1213232> For my straight to windows, doesnt load GRUB / achi issue is it worth booting from live disk and seeing what state grub is in, could be a good start?
[19:49] <smittix> bah slow mirrors :(
[19:49] <adam61> i find it hard to believe that nobody can tell me why i haven't been able to get sound from my browser for months now... this is getting very frustrating
[19:49] <adam61> is this the extent of linux help?!!?
[19:49] <goltoof> iceroot:  no errors starting from shell as user (not root) it just hangs when i click an icon
[19:49] <magik_> iceroot, thanks i tryied but it seems like not working :/
[19:50] <thorn> I have a glitch that keeps repeating itself. See http://imm.io/ahBs for an example. This never happened before with previous releases of ubuntu, only with 11.04. it seems to have to do with text rendering and window drawing... how can I reset this when it happens without restarting? How can I fix it altogether? CAN SOMEONE GIVE ME AN IDEA OF HOW TO GOOGLE THIS PROBLEM?
[19:50] <iceroot> magik_: if i am correct the system needs a restart (or a command to reload the modules)
[19:50] <goltoof> goltoof:  not sure how it got this way.. i am using a separate hd for storage
[19:50] <iceroot> goltoof: i think its a good idea to open a bug, describe your problem and append the strace you already posted
[19:51] <iceroot> goltoof: "ubuntu-bug nautilus"
[19:51] <adam61> CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHY I HAVE NO SOUND PLEASE
[19:51] <magik_> iceroot, i did it but if you say i will try again .. thanks =)
[19:51] <xangua> !caps | adam61
[19:51] <oCean> adam61: drop the caps please
[19:51] <DangerOnTheRangr> adam61: It could be that either a) your sound card isn't recognized, or b) the volume might be turned down just for your browser. Keep in mind all of the people working here are volunteers; they aren't obliged to help you, so maintaining a respectful tone can be helpful :)
[19:52] <goltoof> iceroot: hmm, never opened a bug before.. was hoping i could clean out all related packages and reinstall nautilus
[19:52] <integris> can someone help me with my dark window/menu problem, plz?
[19:52] <xsl> hi all, does anyone uses 11.10 with Unity + Libreoffice? ( wen i do Super-S the screen that has libreoffice does not show it. ) and libreoffice is allways maxe... cand window it
[19:52] <Efrin> adam61 - turn on your speakers ; )
[19:52] <xsl> *can't
[19:52] <iceroot> magik_: lsmod is still listing it?
[19:52] <goltoof> iceroot:  simple nautilus reinstall does nothing
[19:52] <adam61> Efrin - good one idiot
[19:52] <blueblack> help me i can't even boot ubuntu 11.10 on my new motherboard gigabyte bios says booting operating system and nothing happens not even try to load anything on partition i have ubuntu installed please help me.    I have an OCZ SSD Hard Drive 120gbytes plus a mechanical hdd 1tb and i have ubuntu installed on  SSD
[19:52] <iceroot> goltoof: i dont know what the problem is so i dont know if that will help
[19:52] <iceroot> goltoof: but i dont think it will help
[19:52] <LjL> Efrin, don't give joke-advice. adam61, don't call people idiots. thanks both :)
[19:52] <oCean> adam61: stop the name calling
[19:52] <DangerOnTheRangr> adam61: Did you read what I posted?
[19:52] <goltoof> iceroot:  yes it didn't, tried reinstalling desktop as well... i'll open a bug
[19:52] <josefig> is there another way to upgrade to 11.10 ? I cant use the update-manager -d it says error on dependencies .. I used gnome-shell from a testing repository I guess is because of that
[19:53] <adam61> LjL, thank you I will
[19:53] <iceroot> goltoof: with "ubuntu-bug" ist easy to open a bug
[19:53] <martian> Is there a way to manually add an application to the unity launcher?
[19:53] <iceroot> goltoof: but you need a launchpad-account
[19:53] <adam61> oCean: take a note from LjL on how to treat ppl respectfully yourself
[19:53] <iceroot> goltoof: but i think its worth doing it
[19:53] <Efrin> Thats a stupid question but how in unity do i do shortcuts on desktop?
[19:53] <adam61> DangerOnTheRangr: yes thank you. how do i check if the volume is turned down for the browser? thanks very much
[19:54] <goltoof> iceroot: yea never done it before, should be interesting, thx for the tip
[19:54] <daf_> I really like gnome-shell how the applications are all icons. Is there some kind of a clone that can be used with unity or just gnome 2.x
[19:55] <iceroot> daf_: why not using gnome-shell itself?
[19:55] <DangerOnTheRangr> adam61: Go to System > Preferences > Sound Preferences on Ubuntu 10.10 or earlier, and click on the Applications tab
[19:55] <daf_> I like floppy windows ;)
[19:55] <daf_> Don't want to lose compiz animations
[19:55] <Efrin> How in unity do i do shortcuts on desktop?
[19:56] <adam61> DangerOnTheRangr: i'm using Lubuntu - i don't see an applications tab in sound preferences
[19:56] <iceroot> adam61: lubuntu is not using pulseaudio (the beta from 11.10 lubuntu doesnt use it, dont know about the final)
[19:56] <jure> These password prompts are driving me insane
[19:56] <jure> How do I disable them
[19:57] <iceroot> jure: from sudo? or what?
[19:57] <jure> From the GUI
[19:57] <DangerOnTheRangr> adam61: Ah, OK. Unfortunately, I know nothing about Lubuntu (since it uses LXDE instead of GNOME), but maybe someone else here can help you, or you could ask on the Lubuntu IRC channel
[19:57] <blueblack> help me i can't even boot ubuntu 11.10 on my new motherboard gigabyte bios says booting operating system and nothing happens not even try to load anything on partition i have ubuntu installed please help me.    I have an OCZ SSD Hard Drive 120gbytes plus a mechanical hdd 1tb and i have ubuntu installed on  SSD
[19:57] <adam61> iceroot: that's the whole reason i decided to start using Lubuntu - the lack of pulseaudio - it was causing conflicts, which have been fixed, but now there's this lol
[19:57] <iceroot> jure: keyring? gksudo? in what context?
[19:57] <integris> my windows look like they are shaded but backwards and are really dark - barely readable - Ubuntu 10.10
[19:57] <Corey> blueblack: Does it hand off to grub?
[19:58] <jure> What context? Geese, there's multiple contexts? How about we start with the Update Manager?
[19:58] <grifo74> hi please new ubuntu 11.10 is working fine. my download never finish :-)
[19:58] <integris> any ideas where to look to fix this?
[19:58] <thorn> I have a glitch that keeps repeating itself. See http://imm.io/ahBs for an example. This never happened before with previous releases of ubuntu, only with 11.04. it seems to have to do with text rendering and window drawing... how can I reset this when it happens without restarting? How can I fix it altogether? CAN SOMEONE GIVE ME AN IDEA OF HOW TO GOOGLE THIS PROBLEM?
[19:58] <iceroot> grifo74: download from what?
[19:58] <blueblack> no corey
[19:58] <blueblack> nothing
[19:58] <blueblack> it doesn't even try to do anything
[19:58] <DangerOnTheRangr> !caps | thorn
[19:58] <grifo74> download from webpage
[19:58] <adam61> DangerOnTheRangr: thank you, but i'm at the end of my rope. i have been patiently asking both here and at #lubuntu for months and months, hours at a time each time, and NOBODY knows or will answer me. i am ready to scrap ubuntu and return to the hated windows.. shudder
[19:58] <blueblack> it show the bios message booting operating system and nothing
[19:58] <iceroot> grifo74: you mean the ubuntu iso?
[19:59] <goltoof> iceroot:  submitting a bug with strace, any other report i should provide?
[19:59] <grifo74> yes
[19:59] <blueblack> i never had this problem before
[19:59] <DangerOnTheRangr> adam61: Have you tried searching Google, or the Ubuntu Forums?
[19:59] <myk_robinson> Is there a way to disable the startup sound in 11.10?
[19:59] <adam61> DangerOnTheRangr: endlessly
[19:59] <iceroot> goltoof: no, the rest is done by ubuntu-bug (apport-collect)
[19:59] <jure> There's ~1500 people here and no one knows how to disable password prompts??
[19:59] <integris> anyone? please?? :)
[19:59] <iceroot> goltoof: but its a good idea to descripe the problem
[19:59] <DangerOnTheRangr> adam61: Do other applications have sound
[19:59] <Tuplad> hey! I have this weird problem with my sound. I was checking my settings and changed this: http://img7.imagebanana.com/img/276z6s2x/_001.png for just a millimeter and now my sound is CRACKING. but whenever I test my speakers through sound settings and they make a noise, they sound PERFECT - even every cracking background noise doesn't crack but then it goes back. can I somehow reset sound settings or something ?
[19:59] <iceroot> goltoof: and not only saying "not working"
[20:00] <adam61> DangerOnTheRangr: all of them. it's just my browsers
[20:00] <iceroot> jure: you didnt answer my question
[20:00] <blueblack> hey ! you have no problem my motherboard dont even try to boot ubuntu
[20:00] <iceroot> jure: i asked promt from what?
[20:00] <jure> Update Manager
[20:00] <DangerOnTheRangr> adam61: What browser do you use?
[20:00] <Pici> !who | jure
[20:00] <marsfligth> Please, how can I downgrade an application? In my case 'Thunderbird'
[20:00] <jure> OK Pici
[20:00] <iceroot> marsfligth: not supported
[20:00] <rhizmoe> 60K/s :(
[20:01] <iceroot> marsfligth: and not possible with the normal repos
[20:01] <adam61> DangerOnTheRangr: i'm using Chromium and Firefox, but i've tried a number of different versions of chrome too
[20:01] <blueblack> !tab iceroot
[20:01] <blueblack> ?
[20:01] <jure> iceroot: gksudo, Update Manager
[20:01] <iceroot> jure: dont disable these password-prompts
[20:01] <iceroot> jure: its a security issue we dont support here
[20:01] <DangerOnTheRangr> adam61: So neither Chromium nor Firefox can use sound?
[20:01] <jure> GAAWD
[20:01] <magik_> iceroot,  i cant find what i have to unblacklist in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf there is no ath5k .. :/
[20:01] <iceroot> blueblack: yes?
[20:01] <adam61> DangerOnTheRangr: correct. very very odd, but that's what the situation is
[20:01] <iceroot> magik_: but lsmod is showing ath5k?
[20:02] <blueblack> Guys i have a gigabyte motherboard that don't boot ubuntu
[20:02] <blueblack> only windows
[20:02] <DangerOnTheRangr> jure: If those prompts were disabled, that means any application could have root access without your knowledge - very dangerous
[20:02] <magik_> iceroot, sec
[20:02] <marsfligth> iceroot: and if i uninstall it and after i go to some repository?
[20:02] <integris> my windows are very dark.  I just upgraded from Ubuntu 10.04 to 10.10. They were fine before. Changing the theme does nothing. Any ideas?
[20:02] <jure> DangerOnTheRangr, iceroot: just so you know, I'm not a n00b and neither visudo nor adding an exception to polkit worked
[20:02] <DangerOnTheRangr> adam61: Have you tried multiple websites to see if they have sound?
[20:02] <iceroot> marsfligth: why you want to downgrade?
[20:02] <Tuplad> I have this weird problem with my sound. I was checking my settings and changed this: http://img7.imagebanana.com/img/276z6s2x/_001.png for just a millimeter and now my sound is CRACKING. but whenever I test my speakers through sound settings and they make a noise, they sound PERFECT - even every cracking background noise doesn't crack but then it goes back. can I somehow reset sound settings or something ? I have already restarted and it still
[20:02] <Tuplad> cracks.
[20:03] <iceroot> jure: then edit your sudoers like you want but its not supported here
[20:03] <adam61> DangerOnTheRangr: yes, i can't get sound at all from anywhere, i've tried numerous sites. no sound at all from any browser
[20:03] <nlenepveu> hi all
[20:03] <jure> iceroot: like I said - that didn't work
[20:03] <FrozenFire> Weird question. My laptop has to go in for repairs, and I probably won't have a computer for two or three weeks at best. However, I have a headless server, which I can put a graphics card into, running Ubuntu Server 11.04. Is there a desktop environment that I can install that will support a browser and video player, but won't dick with the operation of the server?
[20:03] <deebee_> jure: then you'll appreciate the value of low privileged accounts by default, hence the need for the password prompts
[20:03] <iceroot> jure: like i said, not supported here
[20:03] <marsfligth> iceroot: 60% or more of my 'add-ons' aren't compatiblr
[20:03] <marsfligth> iceroot: 60% or more of my 'add-ons' aren't compatible
[20:03] <magik_> iceroot, no but its showing ath9k, ath , ath9_hw , ath9k_common
[20:03] <blueblack> ok
[20:03] <jure> jesus christ god almighty
[20:04] <iceroot> magik_: then you are not using a ath5k module
[20:04] <jure> fine
[20:04] <martian> jure: yes?
[20:04] <oCean> jure: please control your language here
[20:04] <iceroot> marsfligth: which version you want?
[20:04] <nlenepveu> I'd like to know how are managed the ntfs partition, how are they automount on access ?
[20:04] <iceroot> !info icedove
[20:04] <magik_> iceroot, well what i use ?
[20:04] <rqan> FrozenFire, I recently changed to xfce, i think it works really well
[20:04] <Fisnik> Hi there
[20:04] <Fisnik> i need some help
[20:04] <simpleblue> install finshed, rebooting * crosses fingers again *
[20:04] <xangua> FrozenFire: mplayer runs in console and there are some browsers that do too
[20:05] <FrozenFire> rqan, XFCE will, however, install Network-Manager, which is a no-go.
[20:05] <iceroot> magik_: ath9k
[20:05] <FrozenFire> xangua, I need a window manager so I can run multiple tasks.
[20:05] <iceroot> magik_: if we are talking about the output of lsmod
[20:05] <unkmar> I'm running 8.04.  Did and upgrade and now my nvidia driver stuff is broken.  I am now running from cli :(
[20:05] <Fisnik> Can somebody tell me what's the default filesystem for Ubuntu 11.10? I don't know which one to choose: EXT3 or EXT4?
[20:05] <magik_> iceroot, ah ... and so how i unblacklist ath9k ?
[20:05] <marsfligth> iceroot: honestly i never checked what version i was using now i have the 7.0 an before i think was the 3.x
[20:05] <martian> Fisnik: I believe the default has moved to ext4
[20:05] <sianhulo> peoples, grub shows this http://pastebin.com/AiKPxEjT
[20:06] <Tuplad> Anyone an idea on how to fix cracking sound in Ubuntu ?
[20:06] <iceroot> unkmar: sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.orig && sudo service gdm restart
[20:06] <Fisnik> r u sure?
[20:06] <nlenepveu> I'd like to force ntfs partitions mounting through fstab, but in that way they are mount twice.. can some one explain me ?
[20:06] <DangerOnTheRangr> adam61: Hmm, try installing "gnome-alsamixer" to get that Sound Preferences program I talked about earlier
[20:06] <famgod> if im running a 11.10 install that i installed a few weeks ago, is there a way to upgrade to the 'final' that was released today? or is there no point? if so, how do i upgrade?
[20:06] <Pici> famgod: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:06] <rqan> FrozenFire, Can u install without deps, other then that maybe that failsafe WM
[20:06] <iceroot> magik_: its not blacklisted because its shown in lsmod
[20:06] <xsl> anyone has a bug that makes libreoffice not appear in workspace preview?
[20:06] <adam61> DangerOnTheRangr: i did that, and some of the volumes were down or muted, so i turned them all up and unmuted, but it didn't do anything unfortunately
[20:06] <unkmar> iceroot: doesn't wo.. Let me put it another way.  I can get X with a single screen, without TwinView and crappy 800x600 vesa like settings.  I don
[20:07] <unkmar> I don't want that crap.
[20:07] <iceroot> marsfligth: you can download the tar.gz from mozilla.org e.g. or seach for a ppa with an older htunderbird-version
[20:07] <sianhulo> somebody knows?
[20:07] <martian> Fisnik: I am "fairly certain" that when I last installed a fresh install of 11.04 it chose ect4 as the default. I never say I'm "sure" unless I can cite some evidence :)
[20:07] <DangerOnTheRangr> adam61: You may want to try a different desktop environment (like GNOME, XFCE, or KDE) to see if they work
[20:07] <VCoolio> am I missing something or are you supposed to just know that with alt+f2 you can search for installed stuff?
[20:07] <lucas-arg> what version of ubuntu should i get 32bits or 64bits?
[20:07] <DangerOnTheRangr> lucas-arg: Probably the former
[20:07] <adam61> DangerOnTheRangr: how do i go about doing that? do u do that within Lubuntu?
[20:07] <iceroot> lucas-arg: if you have an amd64 cpu use the amd64 version
[20:07] <Fisnik> because I couldn't find that info on ubuntu site... wanted to ask here :)
[20:07] <cntrational> how do I turn off "automatically log in"?
[20:07] <DangerOnTheRangr> lucas-arg: Unless you have more than 4GB RAM
[20:07] <aaa> using PiTiVi v0.13.5, while playing a video, i don't hear any sound, while playing it on Totem Movie Player 2.32.0, the sound works. what can i do?
[20:07] <integris> I cannot find anyone with a similar issue on Google. I upgraded from Ubunto 10.04 to 10.10 and now all my windows are dark? As if they are shaded backwards. Any ideas how to fix this please?
[20:08] <unkmar> It appears the older nvidia drivers are incompatible with the newer kernel. and so things are broke.  That is just my guess.
[20:08] <Pici> integris: What happens if you press super+i
[20:08] <VCoolio> cntrational: settings > user accounts
[20:08] <thorn> I have a glitch that keeps repeating itself. See http://imm.io/ahBs for an example. This never happened before with previous releases of ubuntu, only with 11.04. it seems to have to do with text rendering and window drawing... how can I reset this when it happens without restarting? How can I fix it altogether? CAN SOMEONE GIVE ME AN IDEA OF HOW TO GOOGLE THIS PROBLEM?
[20:08] <iceroot> unkmar: there are newer nvidia-drivers in the repo
[20:08] <simpleblue> started in fallback mode
[20:09] <qjcg> there's no documentation for 11.10 here yet : https://help.ubuntu.com/
[20:09] <simpleblue> but has the hardware icon in the tray so easy to download and run
[20:09] <iceroot> unkmar: if you are using the kernel from the repos, everyting should be fine
[20:09] <DangerOnTheRangr> adam61: Sure. To install XFCE, install the "xubuntu-desktop" package. To install GNOME, install "ubuntu-desktop". To install KDE, install "kubuntu-desktop"
[20:09] <qjcg> anyone know if it's available somewhere else yet ?
[20:09] <oCean> thorn: if you're going to repeat again, please remove the CAPS from that
[20:09] <adam61> DangerOnTheRangr: i'm new to linux so i don't really know; is lubuntu a desktop environment? so you're saying to just not use Lubuntu?
[20:09] <cntrational> VCoolio: thank you
[20:09] <adam61> DangerOnTheRangr: ok thanks i understand
[20:09] <monstaRtruck> anyone wana help me with bashrc
[20:10] <integris> Pici: nothing happens
[20:10] <VCoolio> monstaRtruck: just ask
[20:10] <DangerOnTheRangr> adam61: Lubuntu is Ubuntu with the LXDE desktop environment installed, but it's just the same under the hood as Ubuntu, Xubuntu, or Kubuntu
[20:10] <monstaRtruck> its not working
[20:10] <marsfligth> iceroot: Thanks for help me
[20:10] <sianhulo> someone knows about this grub problem?
[20:10] <VCoolio> !details | monstaRtruck
[20:11] <Gunnarflax> Hey everyone!
[20:11] <monstaRtruck> the permissions are 777
[20:11] <monstaRtruck> and owned by me an dgroup is me
[20:11] <Pici> integris: Ah.  Looks like super+n inverts the colors for one window and super+m does it for the entire screen, is it possible that you pressed one of those accidentally?
[20:11] <VCoolio> monstaRtruck: it's called ~/.bashrc and then what happens if you run "bash" any errors?
[20:11] <Tuplad> I have this weird problem with my sound. I was checking my settings and changed this: http://img7.imagebanana.com/img/276z6s2x/_001.png for just a millimeter and now my sound is CRACKING. but whenever I test my speakers through sound settings and they make a noise, they sound PERFECT - even every cracking background noise doesn't crack but then it goes back. can I somehow reset sound settings or something ? I have already restarted and it still
[20:11] <Tuplad> cracks.
[20:11] <VCoolio> monstaRtruck: permissions 644 should be enough
[20:11] <thorn> oCean: happy to indulge you if you'll try to help.
[20:11] <synackfin> how do I still flash in oneiric ?
[20:11] <monstaRtruck> when i typeed bash it did the script
[20:12] <JeffFromOhio> Is there a way to find out which repository a package was found in? In Synaptic, if I search, I can find the package, but no clue which repo it's from. Certainly synaptic must know?
[20:12] <xangua> synackfin: from software center
[20:12] <integris> Pici: not that I know of... I tried Super+m and Super+n but they also have no effect
[20:12] <synackfin> I heard that oneiric has 64-bit flash, but not sure what the pkg name is
[20:12] <VCoolio> monstaRtruck: so what did you expect that's not working?
[20:12] <integris> Pici: However, Super+L locks my session as expected
[20:12] <magik_> iceroot, well i get error when i write (wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode sta)
[20:12] <monstaRtruck> shouldnt it work on startup
[20:12] <magik_> :/
[20:12] <monstaRtruck> i mean login
[20:13] <adam61> DangerOnTheRangr: as i said, i'm ready to give up. i find it extremely hard to believe that no one, nobody at all has any idea as to why i can't get sound from any browser in lubuntu when everything else is working perfectly. seems like it shouldn't be an impossible problem.. i need a drink lol
[20:13] <oCean> thorn: merely pointing out what behaviour we expect in our channels. Caps is not considered very polite, please don't use them to draw attention to your questions
[20:13] <DangerOnTheRangr> adam61: Try Ubuntu or Xubuntu - they just might work
[20:13] <VCoolio> monstaRtruck: on every shell start, yes; and ~/.profile on login, what did you put in it that's not working? if it's multiline, use a pastebin
[20:13] <iceroot> magik_: never used it on the cli
[20:13] <deebee_> thorn: you should be polite, regardless of whether you get any help or not.
[20:13] <monstaRtruck> oh i c
[20:14] <magik_> iceroot, ok thanks for the help =)
[20:14] <monstaRtruck> i need to put it in .profile
[20:14] <andeeeuk_> Ijust have to say from first experience of 11.10 it is awesome, far better that 11.04
[20:14] <VCoolio> monstaRtruck: depends what it is; if you need it only on login, ~/.profile may be the place
[20:14] <andeeeuk_> well done guys!! :)
[20:14] <monstaRtruck> yeah
[20:15] <adam61> DangerOnTheRangr: thanks. i already tried ubuntu, i don't have the patience to try Xubuntu - maybe in a couple days or something. thank you very much for your efforts though. it's much more than i can say about most people here
[20:15] <monstaRtruck> will .profile also work for shell start or should i make .profile a link to .bashrc
[20:15] <adam61> DangerOnTheRangr: i'm off now, thank you again
[20:15] <DangerOnTheRangr> adam61: Anytime :)
[20:15] <arnpro> how can I update my PCRE libraries in my ubuntu 10.04???
[20:15] <monstaRtruck> shweeeet it werks
[20:16] <integris> Pici: is it perhaps a problem with Compiz?
[20:16] <VCoolio> monstaRtruck: don't link those files; if you need it on login, go for .profile; if you need it on every shell/terminal, go for .bashrc
[20:16] <Pici> integris: Thats what I was thinking.
[20:16] <monstaRtruck> hahaha
[20:16] <monstaRtruck> aww
[20:16] <integris> Pici: hmmm.. it was working fine with 10.04
[20:16] <koobus> its been more then 10 years since i was on an IRC Lol
[20:16] <monstaRtruck> 2 copies of same file is not very programatic
[20:16] <monstaRtruck> :~~(
[20:17] <integris> Pici: I am downloading 11.04 as I type hoping it will fix the problem but I have my doubts
[20:17] <martian> Is there a way to manually add an application to the unity launcher?
[20:17] <oCean> koobus: welcome back! We have #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat, and this for technical support. Also, there's a specific #ubuntu-nl channel!
[20:19] <sanduz2> what is the command for "Workspace Switcher"? i want to assign it to a keyboard shortcut (if there isnt one already)
[20:19] <robin0800> martian, drag and drop works
[20:20] <VCoolio> JeffFromOhio: apt-cache policy <packagename>
[20:20] <robin0800> sanduz2, super+s
[20:20] <sanduz2> robin0800, thanks!
[20:20] <martian> robin0800: If you drag gnome terminal to it, it will not create a new launcher if it is already one for gnome terminal
[20:21] <sanduz2> robin0800, are there any other hidden commands for unity? im not finding the one you said in the keyboard shortcuts list
[20:21] <sanduz2> (it does indeed work, but im just wondering)
[20:21] <jakemp> I recall seeing a very nice looking login screen for 11.10, but I don't have it
[20:22] <robin0800> martian, if you want a second terminal its middle click
[20:22] <jiltdil> When i changes directory  to Data  it shows like this amit@amit-desktop:/media/Data/     but i only want like this to see as in fedora like amit@amit-desktop:Data   How to do that in ubuntu?
[20:22] <jakemp> is there a specific package I need to install?
[20:22] <Calinou> why is my screen such bright since I last rebooted 10 minutes ago? luminosity is to 0%, and I'm on a unplugged laptop
[20:22] <jamil_1> hi all, upgrade to the 11.10 has failed on my machine
[20:22] <ubutnu> hi i use dual monitor ..it depends on situation  what monitor i want to use as full screen monitor..i found a way through compiz window placement..is there a way
[20:22] <vlt> How to switch to another workspace w/o mouse?
[20:22] <ubutnu> to commandline window placement
[20:22] <martian> robin0800: and that's the problem. If I want to create a separate launcher for gnome-terminal with some different commandline options, I can not do so it seems.
[20:22] <jamil_1> here is the report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/873668
[20:22] <andeeeuk_> hi everyone
[20:22] <myk_robinson> Is there a way to disable system sounds (startup sound) in 11.10? Doesnt seem to be in the Sound menu like it used to. Or better yet, does Ubuntu Tweak work with 11.10 yet?
[20:22] <pdelgallego> Hi, I just update to 11.10. how I autohide the top/bottom bars in gnome classic?
[20:23] <VCoolio> vlt: ctrl+alt+ arrows
[20:23] <iceroot> pdelgallego: there is no gnome-classic in 11.10
[20:23] <kudu> Can someone help me?
[20:23] <kudu> My mail isn't getting from postfix to mailman.
[20:23] <andeeeuk_> just a quick question, does anyone know how to access themes in 11.10?
[20:23] <ubutnu> hi i use dual monitor ..it depends on situation  what monitor i want to use as full screen monitor..i found a way through compiz window placement..is there a way to commandline window placement of compiz?
[20:23] <pdelgallego> iceroot, there is if you installed, that is what I have done. but I want to autohide the panels
[20:24] <SadlyMistaken> what?
[20:24] <vlt> VCoolio: Thank you.
[20:24] <robin0800> iceroot, install gnome shell and you should find it
[20:24] <jiltdil> kudu: Did u have ur right configuration?
[20:24] <kudu> jiltdil, I'm using the Server Guide
[20:24] <Calinou> vlt: alt+ctrl+left/right/up/down arrow keys
[20:24] <Calinou> a such bright screen hurts my eyes
[20:24] <vlt> Calinou: Thanks.
[20:24] <pdelgallego> iceroot, sudo apt-get install gnome-panel
[20:24] <jiltdil> Kudu: ok is it locallly? Also u r sending it correctly or not ?
[20:25] <VCoolio> myk_robinson: (re)move /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo/desktop-login.ogg
[20:25] <ubutnu> noone?
[20:25] <jiltdil> When i changes directory  to Data  it shows like this amit@amit-desktop:/media/Data/     but i only want like this to see as in fedora like amit@amit-desktop:Data   How to do that in ubuntu?
[20:25] <kudu> jiltdil, yes, I am, and it shows up in the log fine
[20:25] <Younder> back after installing 11.10. Fairly painless. A new nvidea driver 173 needed to be installed. The postgresql upgraded from 8.4 to 9.1 which has a incompatible database format. Luckily I had pg_dumpall'ed the database. Altogether not as bad as feard. 3 hours total 2.3 Gb download. Gnome 3 installed and a new kernel I was expecting worse trouble..
[20:25] <myk_robinson> VCoolio: thanks. Suppose I can just rename it for now. Wonder why they removed the option to simply disable it.
[20:25] <deebee_> kudu: you might get more help in #postfix or possibly #ubuntu-server
[20:26] <VCoolio> myk_robinson: probably because you need password to change it etc., but indeed
[20:26] <iceroot> robin0800: ah yes its called gnome-classic which is gnome3, in this channel classic was always gnome2
[20:26] <jiltdil> Kudu:  show me ur config? and themailing method
[20:26] <vlt> Hello. Which daemon are network and audio indicator icons talking to?
[20:27] <iceroot> vlt: dbus, network-manager and pulse-audio
[20:27] <kudu> jiltdil, I'm using /etc/postfix/transport
[20:27] <jiltdil> Kudu : one more thing  are you sending it with hostname?
[20:27] <kudu> see Ubuntu Server Guide
[20:27] <Calinou> why is my screen such right since my last reboot?
[20:27] <ubutnu> is there a way in metacity to choose which monitor fullscreen things should be placed?
[20:27] <kudu> jiltdil, yes, I am
[20:27] <xr--> Postfix rules!
[20:27] <Younder> Remember if the default login gives you trouble try clicking the ikon on the right and trying 2D.
[20:27] <jiltdil> kudu: your dns configured or not?
[20:27] <kudu> jiltdil, yes
[20:27] <kudu> it's getting to postfix
[20:27] <kudu> just not mailman
[20:28] <integris> Pici: when I open a terminal and type compiz [Enter] my windows flicker then I see the colors they are supposed to be then it writes: "Starting gtk-window-decorator ... Launching fallback windows manager"
[20:28] <Ek123> Quick question, does 11.10 need higher/lower system specifications than 11.04? 11.04 runs pretty well on my netbook but I'm not sure if I should upgrade...
[20:28] <myk_robinson> @#$%!!, no screenruler in the package manager????
[20:28] <myk_robinson> guess i gotta compile...
[20:28] <jiltdil> kudu: ok tell me if  , send a mail to a second user to ur system and check if it fails or go
[20:28] <Calinou> I'm on 11.04, I have NOT upgraded... did 11.10 made the luminosity go x2 like every update?
[20:28] <integris> Pici: so I guess it tries to start gtk-window-decorator but fails
[20:29] <Calinou> I have no OSD, so I can't change that (laptop)
[20:29] <JustANickName> hi all, i have a problem while upgrading from 11.04, not enough disk space....
[20:29] <Calinou> then you don't have enough disk space.
[20:29]  * jiltdil prefer to fresh install
[20:29] <JustANickName> yeah i know lol
[20:30] <JustANickName> but, is using Gparted a must??
[20:30] <JustANickName> or there are any alternate ways to free up some disk space
[20:30] <jiltdil> JustANickName,  if u can use fdisk use it via terminal
[20:31] <vlt> iceroot: Thanks.  dbus runs as user 103 here, says “ps”. In /etc/passwd that’s messagebus. Any idea why it’ſ not listed with its name?
[20:31] <vlt> *it’s
[20:31] <iceroot> vlt: ps aux | grep dbus should show it
[20:31] <jiltdil> When i changes directory  to Data  it shows like this amit@amit-desktop:/media/Data/     but i only want like this to see as in fedora like amit@amit-desktop:Data   How to do that in ubuntu?
[20:32] <sianhulo> people, need help wirçth grub2, can't boot :( http://pastebin.com/AiKPxEjT
[20:32] <m477> i can feel universe touching my mind
[20:32] <vlt> iceroot: It does. But as “103”, not as “messagebus”.
[20:32] <ubutnu> someone knows a way to set fullscreen windows to desired monitors from commandline?
[20:32] <Jordan_U> !bootinfo | sianhulo
[20:32] <iceroot> vlt: same here, should be normaö
[20:33] <ben__> Hi again all, still got problems with no grub menu, straight to windows. My grub.cfg and  /etc/default/grub are here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1859229 . I guess if i turn on IDE over AHCI and install ubuntu then it will work but i really would like to avoid having to switch that in the BIOS every time i want to switch OS. Am i missing something obvious here? Thanks
[20:33] <jamil_1> I am getting the "Could not calculate upgrade" error  while upgrading to 11.10
[20:33] <sianhulo> lemme see
[20:33] <nlenepveu> Hi all, I'd like to know how are managed the ntfs partitions, how are they automount on access ? I'd like to use only fstab
[20:33] <iceroot> jamil_1: from your bug-report it seems that your /var/lib/dpkg/status is broken
[20:33] <Jordan_U> ben__: Most likely grub's boot sector just isn't installed to the MBR or the drive which your BIOS is booting from.
[20:34] <Jordan_U> !bootingo | ben__
[20:34] <Calinou> my screen is still too bright.
[20:34] <Jordan_U> !bootinfo | ben__
[20:34] <vlt> iceroot: When I try to run pulseaudio I get “could not initialise daemon”
[20:34] <sianhulo> well, i have to boot from an live cd
[20:34] <sianhulo> hang a while, people
[20:34] <jamil_1> iceroot: this thing: dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 22964 package 'ffmpeg': ?
[20:34] <ubutnu> only upgrade help seems so..why is everybody always upgrading instead of staying with a runnin systems...wish a good night
[20:34] <zamoras7> The new version of ubuntu is extremely good
[20:35] <sianhulo> btw, whle booting
[20:35] <iceroot> jamil_1: correct
[20:35] <ben__> Jordan_U ive tried installing it to the two partions that are available on the SSD that the BIOS is set to boot from, with the same results :( I will try following that link and see what I can get to, is this something I can do booting into live CD and mounting the installed / ? Thanks
[20:35] <jamil_1> iceroot: I am getting this error for sometime now. Don't know how to fix it
[20:35] <sianhulo> i cannot boot from usb by bios, but i can by grub(well, i can't RIGHT now...)
[20:36] <jamil_1> iceroot: it started to come after I upgraded from 10.10 to 11.04
[20:36] <Jordan_U> ben__: That's your problem then. BIOSs don't understand partitions. You need the bootloader installed in the MBR.
[20:36] <thorn> I have a glitch that keeps repeating itself. See http://imm.io/ahBs for an example. This never happened before with previous releases of ubuntu, only with 11.04. it seems to have to do with text rendering and window drawing... how can I reset this when it happens without restarting? How can I fix it altogether? can someone give me an idea of how to google this problem?
[20:36] <iceroot> jamil_1: i dont know how to fix that corrupt file
[20:36] <JustANickName> jiltdil: i'll use your advice and go with a fresh install
[20:36] <JustANickName> simpler
[20:36] <jiltdil> JustANickName,  hm :)
[20:36] <Calinou> my screen is too bright, using 11.04, it's only too bright since I last rebooted... brightness is set to 0%, I'm on a unplugged laptop (plugging it has no difference)
[20:37] <jamil_1> iceroot: no problem, atleast now I know what to look for
[20:37] <Calinou> 5th time I repeat or so <_<
[20:37] <iceroot> jamil_1: maybe do a backup from /var/backups/   the manpage says there ae backups of that file
[20:37] <sianhulo> Jordan_U, wait a moment, that scripts works with grub2?
[20:37] <Jordan_U> sianhulo: Yes.
[20:37] <iceroot> jamil_1: or there is something like /var/lib/dpkg/status-old
[20:37] <mongo> Calinou: do the keys for the backlight control work?
[20:37] <Calinou> nope, they do not seem to
[20:37] <sianhulo> Jordan_U, well, will pastebin in a while
[20:37] <mongo> Calinou: what make of laptop?
[20:37] <Calinou> uh? you mean brand?
[20:37] <ben__> Jordan_U, when doing the custom set up during install when you can choose where to isntall grub from the drop down i have tried the MBR on the SSD and the SSD itself - these are the only two options im given during installation that relate to the SSD the BIOS can boot from when in AHCI mode
[20:38] <mongo> Calinou: yes
[20:38] <Calinou> it's a HP
[20:38] <B0g4r7> Can any of y'all recommend a good GUI tool (for X11) to aid in the comparison of changes between two large source trees?  Something like Beyond Compare did on Windows...
[20:38] <jamil_1> iceroot: yes there is one in /var/lib/dpkg/status-old
[20:39] <mongo> Calinou: http://ubuntucomputing.blogspot.com/2011/10/how-to-fix-adjust-screen-backlight-of.html
[20:39] <sanduz2> how do i change the order of the icons on the unity bar?
[20:39] <B0g4r7> I guess something console-based could work too, though this strikes me as more of a job for a GUI app.
[20:39] <mongo> B0g4r7: diff
[20:39] <Calinou> I smell scam, sorry no.
[20:39] <Calinou> my computer is 2.5 years old
[20:39] <Calinou> and I'm on a nvidia
[20:39] <jamil_1> iceroot: I should try replacing /var/lib/dpkg/status with status-old ?
[20:40] <mongo> Calinou: you dont' need the ppa but make the grub changes, and no it is not a scam
[20:40] <B0g4r7> mongo, uh, yeah, diff only seems to handle a single pair of files at once.  I need to compare big trass of thousands of files each.
[20:40] <Jordan_U> ben__: I'm not sure you understand what the Master Boot Record of a drive is. There is only one MBR on a drive and if you wanted to specify that grub be installed to the MBR of /dev/sdb you would select that grub be installed to "/dev/sdb", *not* any partition like "/dev/sdb1".
[20:40] <B0g4r7> trees
[20:40] <mongo> ubuntu borked the backlight control in 11.04
[20:40] <Calinou> how to make them?
[20:40] <Calinou> it was working fine except 1 hour ago
[20:41] <graingert> after upgrading my Logitech c510 has odd blue lines
[20:41] <Lithos84> Hello. How can I start GNOME Shell without Compiz in Ubuntu 11.10?
[20:41] <graingert> webcam
[20:41] <graingert> when viewed
[20:41] <mongo> Calinou: when you are plugged in does it work?
[20:41] <graingert> Lithos84: GNOME Shell does not use compiz
[20:41] <Calinou> dunno how to even use it
[20:41] <Calinou> so no
[20:41] <B0g4r7> I guess I'll see if I can use Eclipse...
[20:41] <Calinou> WHY did it worked fine until last reboot?
[20:42] <marcelo_> o
[20:42] <mongo> Calinou: something probably changed
[20:42] <jiltdil> graingert: open totem  go to edit  preference  under video tab select restore to defaults .. problem solved
[20:42] <Lithos84> graingert: But if I remove Compiz, it won't start. Is there something I'm missing?
[20:42] <ben__> Jordan_U, ahhh i see my mistake now :) That makes sense, thanks :D
[20:42] <Jordan_U> ben__: You're welcome :)
[20:42] <Calinou> and... how to rechange it without breaking my system?
[20:42] <Calinou> I hate editing core files
[20:42] <graingert> jiltdil: you mean "display" tab?
[20:43] <sanduz2> is there a way to edit the unity app list? i would love to remove the 'dash home' icon and maybe rearrange other icons
[20:43] <graingert> jiltdil: nope that did not fix it
[20:43] <ben__> Jordan_U, out of curiosity, me been an idiot and selecting the wrong place, what will that have wrote, if anything, to those partitions? Thanks
[20:43] <iceroot> jamil_1: first you should have a look about the differences
[20:43] <iceroot> jamil_1: and of course make a backup of the current file before replacing
[20:44] <mongo> Calinou: if you cd to /sys/class/backlight/
[20:44] <THE_GFR|WORK> hey everyone I installed ubuntu 11.10 ( upgraded to it ) and it now takes at least two minutes detecting the network then booting without full network, and I do not really like unity that much, they took out classic, to get it back I installed it but its totally different ideas how to fix this aside from installing an older version of ubuntu?
[20:44] <blue112> Hi here.
[20:44] <mongo> and do an ls is there another directory in there?
[20:44] <jamil_1> iceroot: yeah, I have copied the original
[20:44] <jiltdil> graingert,  hm reset to defualt, if this not fixed then simply open ur webcam i think u use cheese  go to effects  selsct no effects
[20:44] <blue112> I have a Intel graphic chipset, and I can't get glx to work ; I've installed mesa and all the stuff, but glxgears keep saying me "Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual"
[20:45] <graingert> jiltdil: I am not using effects
[20:45] <mongo> THE_GFR|WORK: install gnome-session-fallback
[20:45] <Jordan_U> ben__: It will have written code to the first 440 bytes of the partition which can be loaded by another bootloader started from the mbr. It doesn't hurt anything.
[20:45] <rasusto> or gnome-shell if you want to use gnome 3 shell
[20:45] <Calinou> ne thing inside, acpi_video0
[20:45] <THE_GFR|WORK> mongo: I did, basically
[20:45] <Jordan_U> !notunity | THE_GFR|WORK
[20:46] <THE_GFR|WORK> mongo: its not on the "menu" list
[20:46] <astro73|mal> So I installed oneiric (sp?) the other day, and now it can't mount my iPod. The error is "Not Authorized". What's going on?
[20:46] <THE_GFR|WORK> Jordan_U: all I want is for it to look exactly like ubuntu 11.04 classic mode, it does not even a little with gnome shell
[20:46] <THE_GFR|WORK> arg
[20:47] <martian> THE_GFR|WORK: I feel your pain. I'm backing up to reinstall 11.04
[20:47] <zmbmartin> any email server support gurus in here I could ask a question
[20:47] <blue112> I have a Intel graphic chipset, and I can't get glx to work ; I've installed mesa and all the stuff, but glxgears keep saying me "Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual"
[20:47] <THE_GFR|WORK> martian: ok I guess I will
[20:47] <Calinou> mongo: there is acpi_video0 inside
[20:47] <Jordan_U> THE_GFR|WORK: As the ubottu factoid stated, the closest thing would be installing "gnome-panel".
[20:48] <hicham> hi guys
[20:48] <THE_GFR|WORK> Jordan_U: thats lame but thanks
[20:48] <Jordan_U> THE_GFR|WORK: Have you tried that yet?
[20:48] <martian> Jordan_U: gnome-panel is a joke.
[20:48] <Jordan_U> THE_GFR|WORK: You're welcome.
[20:48] <hicham> new linux user i need help
[20:48] <arnpro> how can I update my PCRE libraries in my ubuntu 10.04???
[20:48] <mfauzirahman> how to upgrade from 11.10 beta?
[20:48] <Jordan_U> !final | mfauzirahman
[20:49] <THE_GFR|WORK> martian: I was thinking the same thing
[20:49] <ActionParsnip> upgrade | mfauzirahman
[20:49] <mfauzirahman> done type it but nothing to upgrade
[20:49] <THE_GFR|WORK> martian: do you think the network thing is because I did an upgrade not a clean install of ubuntu?
[20:49] <ActionParsnip> !upgrade | mfauzirahman
[20:49] <hicham> help please
[20:49] <Calinou> what to do?
[20:49] <Calinou> I start to see white as purple
[20:49] <astro73|mal> I'm having trouble mounting my ipod
[20:49] <hicham> im a new user of ubuntu
[20:49] <ActionParsnip> !details | hicham:
[20:49] <martian> THE_GFR|WORK: I couldn't say. My experience is more with server stuff
[20:50] <hicham> i just installed ubuntu 11,04 i wanna change the firefox writing size can anybody help
[20:50] <default___> I have a Ubuntu 11;04 wen a can change 11.10?
[20:50] <mfauzirahman> ubottu: that upgrade is from 11.04 right? i'm using 11.10 beta
[20:50] <ron__> my system tells me to run fsck manualy but stops right after it tells me this is there a way to run it
[20:50] <ActionParsnip> hicham: usd ctrl and +
[20:51] <ron__> is there a key f1 f2 somthing I need to press
[20:51] <jamil_1> iceroot: except for a package I installed today both status files are identical
[20:51] <jiltdil> rom_ firstly u have to umount then use fsck /path/to/device
[20:51] <sanduz2> how do i refresh/restart unity (after editing configs) without all my windows and and apps closing?
[20:51] <jiltdil> ron_ firstly u have to umount then use fsck /path/to/device
[20:52] <astro73|mal> Does anyone even own an ipod?
[20:52] <andeeeuk_> hi everyone
[20:52] <Calinou> no, ipad
[20:52] <ron__> how can i get to a cmd propt
[20:52] <Calinou> so... help, screen REALLY hurts my eyes
[20:52] <Calinou> ctrl+alt+t
[20:52] <killown> How I do to upgrade to 11.10?
[20:52] <andeeeuk_> i was just wondering if i was a complete noob as I am unable to change themes in 11.10
[20:52] <default___> I knw to
[20:52] <andeeeuk_> there are only 2 themes
[20:52] <hicham> thank you so much
[20:52] <Jordan_U> mfauzirahman: Just "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and you will be on the final release.
[20:52] <Calinou> mongo: ^
[20:52] <Jordan_U> !upgrade | killown
[20:52] <andeeeuk_> is anyone else having that issue?
[20:53] <Calinou> what do I do with acpi_video0
[20:53] <hicham> omg i love linux
[20:53] <robin0800> andeeeuk_, use gnome-tweak-tool
[20:53] <hicham> bye bye microsoft
[20:53] <andeeeuk_> ok thanks
[20:53] <andeeeuk_> is that new?
[20:53] <hicham> yes im new user
[20:53] <Calinou> so?
[20:54] <bucaneiro> hicham: you saw the light
[20:54] <andeeeuk_> can you not change themes the usual way now?
[20:54] <javier_> how can I upgrade from ubuntu 11.10 beta 2 to final release? thanks!
[20:54] <Calinou> hey javier_ :)
[20:54] <Calinou> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade
[20:54] <mfauzirahman> Jordan_U: i have done that but nothing to upgrade. Is that mean I already in final release?
[20:54] <Calinou> "Just "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and you will be on the final release."
[20:54] <jiltdil> javier_ alt+F2 then update-manager -d
[20:55] <ActionParsnip> javier_: runL  sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:55] <Jordan_U> mfauzirahman: Yes.
[20:55] <javier_> update-manager -d
[20:55] <Calinou> so... my screen is still too bright
[20:55] <Calinou> HELP really it hurts me
[20:55] <Jordan_U> jiltdil: javier_: '-d' is only needed for development releases.
[20:55] <Calinou> I DO NOT WANT TO LOSE MY EYES
[20:55] <Jordan_U> !caps | Calinou
[20:56] <jiltdil> Jordan_U,  Thanks for recalling i missed that Oopsss
[20:56] <mfauzirahman> Jordan_u: thanks bro...no need for me to download then
[20:56] <javier_> but should I get a message that a new version of ubuntu is available?
[20:56] <ActionParsnip> Calinou: if you had the beta installed, then you will get the release version with normal updates
[20:56] <jiltdil> javier_, u will
[20:56] <arnpro> how can I update my PCRE libraries in my ubuntu 10.04???
[20:56] <Jordan_U> Calinou: If anybody knows how to help you they will. The begging and yelling will just annoy people.
[20:56] <Calinou> I do NOT have beta installe
[20:56] <Calinou> just 11.04
[20:56] <ti-prgmr> javier_, run update manager
[20:56] <Jordan_U> mfauzirahman: You're welcome.
[20:56] <ActionParsnip> !upgrde
[20:57] <ActionParsnip> !upgrade
[20:57] <robin0800> Calinou, the setting is in screen
[20:57] <Calinou> brightness: 0%
[20:57] <Fusha> Hello Ubuntu users! I've just installed Ubuntu 11.10 for the very first time and now when when I try to add new user accounts, it asks for an authentication password. The password for my account does not seem to work here! What the hell does it want from me
[20:57] <Calinou> way too bright
[20:57] <ActionParsnip> Calinou: its the same process as from 10.10 to 11.04
[20:57] <Calinou> never had problems with installing 11.04
[20:57] <Calinou> until I booted
[20:57] <Calinou> where brightness is broken
[20:58] <mablue> hi
[20:58] <Calinou> changing the brightness on the slider doesn't change anything too
[20:59] <mablue> i need help to add persian in inpot languegs in xubuntu
[20:59] <mablue> kyeboard languegs
[20:59] <mablue> have just chines
[20:59] <Calinou> there are files in acpi_video0
[20:59] <Calinou> actual_brightness, max_brightness and brightness
[21:00] <Calinou> which one to edit?
[21:00] <mablue> what?
[21:00] <mablue> I have xfac desktop
[21:00] <fatbrain_> Hi, installed ubuntu 11.10 on my windows 7 hd (uefi, gpt) and now grub2 doesn't find windows 7 boot-menuentry. Any thoughts? *Cheers*
[21:00] <Calinou> current value of all of them is "10"
[21:00] <Calinou> what should I set so the screen is not too dark?
[21:01] <thorn> I have a glitch that keeps repeating itself. See http://imm.io/ahBs for an example. This never happened before with previous releases of ubuntu, only with 11.04. it seems to have to do with text rendering and window drawing... how can I reset this when it happens without restarting? How can I fix it altogether? can someone give me an idea of how to google this problem?
[21:01] <andeeeuk_> can  someone lend me a hand, i have some broken packages from an update and i dont know how to fix it?
[21:02] <Calinou> mongo: ^
[21:02] <jeangray> hi is there anyone that can help me with my graphic driver problems?
[21:02] <fxspark> Hi all. I hope someone can help me. I have a cpanel account and I setup a subdomain for my site. It is set to point to www/static directory. When i visit the site with http://static.example.com it works fine, contents of www/static are loaded. However, when I visit using ssl: https://static.example.com it serves me contents of www/
[21:02] <Odaym> mention them, jeangray
[21:02] <arnpro> how can I update my PCRE libraries in my ubuntu 10.04???
[21:02] <fxspark> What could be going on?
[21:02] <Andrewxx_> Hello, I was using screen to update my ubuntu server 11.04 installation, the server shutdown in the middle of the proccess due to power failure and now i'm in recovery mode at an initramfs console. What should I do?
[21:03] <jeangray> Odaym: basically i am running 10.10 and whats happening is i install the proprietary drives for my graphics driver which is  swapable ati 5650 radeon hd or intel hd, and when i install the drives, and reboot, it basically goes into a terminal and i lose the gui
[21:04] <Calinou> so? I don't want to risk my computer
[21:04] <agronholm> hi, how can I log out from oneiric?
[21:04] <agronholm> there is not logout option in the user menu any more
[21:04] <lucas__> Andrewxx_, how about reinstalling the server from scratch without deletin its configuration files...?
[21:04] <deebee_> agronholm: click the cog icon in the top right
[21:04] <jeangray> has anyone else encountered this problem?
[21:04] <agronholm> deebee_: cog icon?
[21:04] <agronholm> gotta check the dictionary, brb
[21:05] <Andrewxx_> How would I re-install without deleting the config files?
[21:05] <Andrewxx_> I have tons of data stored on there
[21:05] <Andrewxx_> that will be lost
[21:05] <Calinou> what value should I change to?
[21:05] <KBentley57> When I insert removable media into 11.10, it opens the terminal instead of the partition itself.  Anyone notice this?
[21:05] <Calinou> currently it's at 10
[21:05] <Calinou> should I try 8? 6?
[21:05] <deebee_> agronholm: to the right of your logon name, it's like a power button and a cog combined
[21:05] <lucas__> Andrewxx_, hopefully i have ur home partiton in other disc or partition?
[21:05] <agronholm> deebee_: there is no such icon there
[21:05] <Odaym> I haven't had that kind of graphics issue, jeangray ; but I would suspect that they were incompatible and the system didn't fallback on anything other than what you installed
[21:05] <Odaym> ergo, you're at the terminal
[21:06] <Andrewxx_> Unfortunately everything is on the same partition
[21:06] <Odaym> what you can do is get their name and uninstall them
[21:06] <jeangray> Odaym: is there no other way to get my hdmi working then?
[21:06] <Odaym> or say "runlevel 5"
[21:06] <Andrewxx_> And I only have minimal backups
[21:06] <lucas__> Andrewxx_, then ull loose everything
[21:06] <Odaym> try that
[21:06] <Calinou> so?
[21:06] <Calinou> really need help my eyes are hurt
[21:06] <Andrewxx_> You sure there isn't a way to recover from this?
[21:07] <jeangray> my graphics run fine with the opensource drivers but the thing is, HDMI does not work
[21:07] <oCean> Calinou: you really should stop repeating yourself over and over again. If someone knows how to help, you'll get an answer
[21:07] <jeangray> is there a work around with HDMI and open source graphic cards? im using a laptop
[21:07] <josefig> someone can tell me why the open with>Gvim doesn't work ?
[21:07] <Odaym> too specific for me, sorry
[21:07] <Calinou> I know, but it actually hurts to have such a bright screen :(
[21:07] <Calinou> I don't know if it's even safe to edit those files
[21:07] <Odaym> you'll never know until you try :P
[21:08] <Calinou> I'll just break my computer if I change it I guess
[21:08] <Jordan_U> Calinou: It is safe.
[21:08] <Calinou> calinou@calinou:~$ sudo chmod 777 -R /sys/class/backlight
[21:08] <Calinou> sudo: must be setuid root
[21:08] <Calinou> ...?
[21:08] <agronholm> deebee_: I can see the cog icon when I'm in a guest session, but not while normally logged in
[21:09] <agronholm> it's simply not there
[21:09] <Calinou> never used to say "must be setuid root"
[21:09] <agronholm> also a lot of the icons are replaced by generic icons
[21:09] <Calinou> now I can't do anything sudo too
[21:09] <agronholm> perhaps I need to delete some settings for this to work right?
[21:09] <oCean> Calinou: why would you do that chmod command?
[21:09] <deebee_> agronholm: not sure why that would be
[21:09] <Calinou> to edit brightness?
[21:09] <oCean> Calinou: who told you to do that?
[21:09] <Calinou> mongo
[21:10] <Odaym> GET HIM!
[21:10] <goltoof> what's a good nautilus rival?
[21:10] <andeeeuk_> i cant seem to install or uninstall anythinf
[21:10] <Calinou> how to I get my screen to be darker?
[21:10] <Jordan_U> Calinou: It sounds like you accidentily used chmod -R on all of / or otherwise changed the permissions of /usr/bin/sudo. This is *very* bad.
[21:10] <rotflcopter> goltoof<< whats nautilus?
[21:10] <Calinou> not solvable?
[21:10] <oCean> Calinou: no, he did not tell you to run chmod
[21:10] <andeeeuk_> i have broken packages, would you recommend to fix them or just uninstall them?
[21:10] <Calinou> not that
[21:10] <Calinou> I runned chmod myself
[21:11] <Calinou> so my system is broken
[21:11] <Calinou> WHY
[21:11] <oCean> Calinou: yes, that was not very clever
[21:11] <Calinou> is it solvable?
[21:11] <Calinou> help please
[21:11] <martian> !enter | Calinou
[21:12] <Calinou> sorry but I need help I do not want to lose my files and my screen is too bright
[21:12] <oCean> Calinou: first, have some patience, and try to stop annoy the other users in the channel by constantly repeating
[21:12] <Jordan_U> Calinou: Can you pastebin the output of "history | grep chmod"? Hopefully we can find exactly what command you ran that changed the permissions of sudo and undo it. If not, you may need to re-install it likely had effects on many other files which we won't be able to determine without knowing the problem command.
[21:12] <martian> Calinou: How about adjusting your monitor settings
[21:12] <Calinou> can't, laptop
[21:13] <Calinou> I just did chmod to install a library
[21:13] <Jordan_U> Calinou: What was the exact command you ran?
[21:13] <Calinou> to compile something (still failed), here is the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/xuC02TtN
[21:13] <Calinou> some commands are wrong, like --r, ignore them
[21:14] <martian> Calinou: oh well, I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but setting 777 to all that stuff is not a good idea.
[21:15] <Calinou> nobody told me
[21:15] <oCean> Calinou: I really, really wonder why would you run those commands. Your system is seriously broken
[21:15] <Calinou> nothing to do?
[21:15] <Calinou> can I at least save my /home folder?
[21:15] <goltoof> !nautilus | rotflcopter
[21:15] <oCean> Calinou: it would be quite a puzzle and lots of effort to repair
[21:15] <Calinou> oCean: how many effort?
[21:15] <Jordan_U> Calinou: Many of those commands are completely, dangerously, wrong. You should not go around changing permissions without understanding them. The command which broke sudo was "sudo chmod 777 -R /usr/bin".
[21:15] <goltoof> rotflcopter:  whatever, it's a file explorer
[21:15] <oCean> Calinou: depending on your level of expertise, anyway between a couple of hours or days
[21:16] <jrib> Calinou: you should reinstall
[21:16] <cdavis> I can do dpkg install packagename and it complains about dependencies but still installs. But afterwards apt-get upgrade fails because of unmet dependencies. Can I have it remove the dependency issues?
[21:16] <rotflcopter> then mc is superior
[21:16] <martian> Calinou: certainly. Copy all of your home directory contents to some external media or a separate partition.
[21:16] <koobus> Is there a linux version of the yammer client.. use it for work?
[21:16] <Jordan_U> Calinou: It shouldn't be too difficult to re-install preserving your home directory but do *not* do anything like this again.
[21:16] <andeeeuk_> is there a good way to fix broken packages? I cant seem to install or uninstall aplications
[21:16] <Calinou> also, how can I remove a partition?
[21:16] <Calinou> I have a 10.04 unused partition
[21:17] <dunpeal> Hey, I'm trying to install Oneiric on a box not connected to the internet, and it doesn't let me proceed?!
[21:17] <martian> Calinou: I would suggest you boot off the ubuntu live cd and then copy all the stuff you want to keep to something
[21:17] <wmp> hello, i looking for information how to install broadcom-wl on ubuntu 11.10
[21:17] <Calinou> ok, bye then
[21:17] <_klk_> hi all, i'm trying to build my program with profiling for use with gprof.  i try to link it with /usr/lib/gcrt1.o, but i get a lot of errors that look like the following:
[21:17] <A-06_> hey guys.... my X server won't start
[21:17] <_klk_> "/usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/gcrt1.o(.debug_info): relocation 39 has invalid symbol index 2"
[21:17] <_klk_> anyone have an idea as to what i'm doing wrong?
[21:17] <A-06_> my NVIDIA driver is installed correctly
[21:18] <spleenico> Hi guys, I cannot connect to my own wifi, but I can connect to the one of a neighbour for some reasons. Any ideas why?
[21:18] <Phr3d13> !nounity
[21:18] <l403> is it possible to chroot from wubi to a real instalation on a partition?
[21:18] <drop33> I have an iso and I want to burn it to a DVD. What is the recommended "Disc Burner" or whatever?
[21:18] <andeeeuk_> helloo everyone
[21:18] <h00k> drop33: you can actually just right-click on it, 'burn image to disc'
[21:19] <andeeeuk_> any help would be appreciated... :)
[21:19] <spleenico> @drop333 it depends on your current OS
[21:19] <Phr3d13> how do i get rid of the unity bar?
[21:19] <l403> drop33, brasero is one I think
[21:19] <phartz> drop33, on windows? what h00k said.
[21:19] <Phr3d13> ubuntu 11.10
[21:19] <Jordan_U> l403: Yes.
[21:19] <l403> Jordan_U, thanks a lot.
[21:19] <Jordan_U> l403: You're welcome.
[21:19] <jrib> !nounity | Phr3d13
[21:19] <deebee_> andeeeuk_: explain a bit more regarding exactly how things are broken and what errors you get when you try to install/reinstall and you'll get ore answers I expect. Pastebin if needed
[21:20] <delac> Is there a way to customize Dash (change the shortcuts icons on main view or hide the "apps available for download" completely)?
[21:20] <spleenico> anyone else experiencing some wifi issues with 11.10?
[21:20] <powergiant> Does anybody know of a ready to use solution for scheduled wakeups from hibernation/standby ?
[21:21] <andeeeuk_> deebee_ I have a few packages that have broken on the update. They are samba4 and some other packages
[21:21] <phartz> cron+acpi command?
[21:22] <drop33> h00k: I'm not sure what the hell is going on, but that option tells me I have "1.4 GB of free space" on an empty DVD-RW disc that is much larger than that.
[21:22] <drop33> l403: Thanks.
[21:22] <drop33> phartz: No, I'm using Ubuntu.
[21:22] <l403> drop33, np
[21:23] <niceplace> hi there
[21:23] <niceplace> i have two problems
[21:23] <niceplace> the most important is the wireless internet
[21:23] <l403> your palms are too nice to make fingers type
[21:23] <smango> Trying to install 11.10, I get to the part before where I guess I'd be selecting the partition and it tells me "ubi-partman failed with exit code 141". Here are the last 100 lines of /var/log/syslog: http://codeblank.com/~int/syslog.txt . Any idea what's going wrong?
[21:23] <ben__> Hi again all, im still having issues. Re-installed making sure grub was on the MBR of the drive the bios boots from and no luck. I ran boot_info_script and the output results.txt is in the second post here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1859229 Reading around some more, could the fact its a new mobo using UEFI be the culprit? Thanks again
[21:24] <niceplace> i have the rt5390 ralink wireless thing
[21:24] <bailies> i'm trying to run glxinfo it says i need to apt-get install mesa-utils but then it says mesa-utils is not available but is referred to by another package
[21:24] <h00k> niceplace: If you keep it on one line, it makes it way easier to follow.
[21:24] <niceplace> ok
[21:24] <BotenAnna> hello, after updating to 11.10 and installing the gnome package, it pretty much completely reset my desktop settings (>=() I can rebuild but the clock is stuck in the middle at the top and somewhat related, I can't add arbitrary launcher icons to the top anymore. How can I do these things?
[21:25] <andeeeuk_> deebee_  here is my paste bin http://pastebin.com/GpsVneEb
[21:25] <andeeeuk_> i have tried quite a few things to fix it
[21:25] <andeeeuk_> not sure what to do now
[21:25] <l403> bailies, it may be in different repository. /etc/apt/sources.list and and one that contains that package or make sure the defualt ones are uncommented and apt-get update
[21:26] <drop33> h00k: Do you know why it says that?
[21:27] <htpc> Hi guys, I'm running LTS and am installing a new GFX card into my HTPC and the nvidia drivers available in the nvidia-vdpau PPA don't seem to be current enough, if I install the ones from Nvidia's site I don't get the Nvidia-settings thing though
[21:27] <niceplace> I have rt5390 ralink wireless. With Ubuntu 11.10 it recognize it without me installing the drivers and patch that the thing needs. Now in ubuntu 11.10 it connects and disconnects every time.
[21:27] <bailies> l403 how can i find the one to put in there
[21:28] <niceplace> i think the kernel for my thing is not working property, because in fedora verne it happens the same thing
[21:28] <l403> bailies, http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[21:29] <l403> bailies, http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/mesa-utils
[21:29] <Jordan_U> fatbrain_: Try asking in #grub, but I would expect that your firware would allow you to select Windows without grub, and if you want to load EFI Windows from grub you'll need to install grub-efi.
[21:29] <l403> goo place to browse pachages
[21:29] <mattalexx> I'm trying to install 11.10 but I'm just looking at a purple Ubuntu screen and the CD drive keep spinning, stopping, spinning, stopping. Then eventually the video signal cuts out. What could be the problem?
[21:30] <wooter> has the new ubuntu got support still to drop back to gnome desktop?
[21:30] <l403> dont think so
[21:30] <wooter> mattalexx, sounds like it cant read the cd
[21:30] <andeeeuk_> hey guys, can anyone help to fix broken packages? :)
[21:30] <mattalexx> wooter, So the drive is bad, you think?
[21:30] <l403> is there a wubi specific channel?
[21:30] <VCoolio> wooter: there is an ubuntu 2d option
[21:30] <javier_> thanks :)
[21:30] <sianhulo> people, i had a conection problem
[21:30] <wooter> mattalexx, or the cd, or the burner
[21:31] <h00k> !nounity | wooter
[21:31] <sianhulo> this is what i got http://pastebin.com/U2erqP1u
[21:31] <andeeeuk_> http://pastebin.com/GpsVneEb here is the pastebin for my broken backage issue if anyone can help that would be great :)
[21:31] <wooter> thanks h00k
[21:32] <sianhulo> ahm, forgot to tell, that log is from boot info script
[21:33] <MrGeneral> Hello. I configured VPN sucessfully, but I do not see the menu to connect to the vps like this: http://www.strongvpn.com/images/ubuntu_open/14.jpg <- it simply doesnt appear there. Is there any other way to get it?
[21:33] <Mimimimi> The Ubuntu 11.10 have default support for Poulsbo graphics cards?
[21:33] <cdavis> I can do dpkg install packagename and it complains about dependencies but still installs. But afterwards apt-get upgrade fails because of unmet dependencies. Can I have it remove the dependency issues?
[21:34] <jrib> cdavis: why are you not installing dependencies?  Dependencies exist for a reason, they aren't really optional
[21:34] <andeeeuk_> anyone know how to fix broken packages?
[21:34] <andeeeuk_> :)
[21:35] <Mimimimi> The Ubuntu 11.10 have default support for Poulsbo graphics cards?
[21:35] <cdavis> jrib: I am getting vmware client to work with pcoip. It works fine, the dependencies are for things like usb redirection which I don't need
[21:35] <deebee_> andeeeuk_: is there more text that should be above the portion you pasted?
[21:35] <jrib> cdavis: then rebuild the package without those dependencies
[21:35] <cdavis> jrib: ok. don't know how but I will try to figure it out
[21:36] <jrib> cdavis: why don't you just install the dependencies in that case?
[21:36] <sianhulo> when i turn on my pc, i get this from grub pastebin.com/AiKPxEjT so i cannot boot, so someone told me to run boot script info giving this as result http://pastebin.com/U2erqP1u
[21:36] <cdavis> jrib: The conflict with things already installed. like it wants its own rdesktop client
[21:36] <VampsDaBeast> hey guys.. does a package installer run thru SSH quit if you close the SSH program?
[21:36] <jrib> VampsDaBeast: depends how you ran it
[21:37] <andeeeuk_> deebee_ there was slightly more above, here is the full paste bin
[21:37] <jrib> cdavis: then your best bet is to rebuild the package. Grab the source package and rebuild.  See ubottu
[21:37] <andeeeuk_> http://pastebin.com/gJRCvCJM
[21:37] <jrib> !source > cdavis
[21:37] <VampsDaBeast> jrib, more specific plase
[21:37] <BotenAnna> does anyone know how to move the clock in the middle on the top in GNOME? I cannot figure this out for the life of me :(
[21:37] <deebee_> andeeeuk_: try "sudo apt-get purge samba4" followed by "sudo apt-get install samba4"
[21:37] <agronholm> I'm having trouble...on boot, I get a garbled screen only and I cannot even get to the grub menu
[21:37] <deebee_> andeeeuk_: and see if it installs then
[21:37] <jrib> VampsDaBeast: if you ran in something like screen or tmux, then it would continue to run
[21:37] <agronholm> ubuntu ocelot
[21:38] <agronholm> I just disabled the proprietary nvidia driver
[21:38] <VampsDaBeast> jrib, i'm using SecPanel for SSH..
[21:38] <kwisatzh4der4ch> Hi all. When ubuntu take packages from Debian Sid, does the builder filter packages with critical bugs ?
[21:38] <agronholm> and rebooted
[21:38] <jrib> VampsDaBeast: what is secpanel?
[21:38] <agronholm> after that, just a garbled screen in boot
[21:38] <agronholm> please help
[21:38] <VampsDaBeast> jrib : much like putty
[21:38] <agronholm> how can I fix this?
[21:38] <agronholm> is there a safe mode or something?
[21:39] <Lcawte> Hi,
[21:39] <jrib> VampsDaBeast: this isn't really relevant.  If you are just logging in and running package manager command in the shell, then it will die when you exit (much like when you run it in a terminal and click X)
[21:39] <x_> VampsDaBeast, export DISPLAY=:0.0 && screen -d -m transmission-gtk
[21:39] <andeeeuk_> deebee_, thanks. The purge worked
[21:39] <andeeeuk_> just installing it again
[21:39] <d1kb> Bad screen in boot is windows dirty disk!
[21:39] <Lcawte> I'm having a slight issue after upgrading to 11.10... it seems I can't log into my own account, it flashes to some terminal output and then back to the login screen, but I can log into any other account, and I'm 100% sure my password is right...
[21:40] <Jordan_U> sianhulo: Is this a stock Ubuntu install?
[21:40] <x_> VampsDaBeast, that will keep a program running over putty and export the display omit the first part if you want the window on ur client side.
[21:40] <monstaRtruck> hey how do i color something in bash
[21:40] <aldos> help! unity doesn't work anymore
[21:40] <monstaRtruck> text
[21:40] <xzil0> Hi guys i have Toshiba p505-s8980 laptop. It has Intel Core 2 Duo nad 6GB of DDR2. Which ubuntu should i go with 32 bit or 64bit???
[21:40] <andeeeuk_> deebee_, the second command brings back the same issue
[21:40] <unkmar> hostility, Much hostility.
[21:40] <Jordan_U> sianhulo: Have you been using "grub-customizer"?
[21:40] <sianhulo> Jordan_U, if you mean if i installed it with an cd or something instead of wubi, yes
[21:40] <unkmar> nv is crap.
[21:40] <unkmar> nvidia isn't working
[21:40] <unkmar> and I can't find nouveau.
[21:40] <sianhulo> Jordan_U, were you spying me ?
[21:41] <sianhulo> jeje
[21:41] <zzing> Is it possible to upgrade to 11.10 when you already have wubi 11.04 installed? I can't find anything confirming it.
[21:41] <Lcawte> I'm having a slight issue after upgrading to 11.10... it seems I can't log into my own account, it flashes to some terminal output and then back to the login screen, but I can log into any other account, and I'm 100% sure my password is right...
[21:41] <sebsebseb> hi
[21:41] <unkmar> of course, you don't care because you don't wish to support 8.04 anymore.
[21:41] <Jordan_U> sianhulo: No. You have a grub.cfg like none I had seen before and I googled parts about it I found odd.
[21:41] <cdavis> jrib: the source ins't available :( from HP's site. Maybe I will try to install grab the binaries the remove the .deb
[21:41] <delac> Is there a way to customize Dash (change the shortcuts icons on main view or hide the "apps available for download" completely)?
[21:41] <agronholm> is there any way I can access the grub menu while booting ubuntu???
[21:41] <sianhulo> there isn't a way to get back to how it was?
[21:41] <Jordan_U> sianhulo: It looks like grub-customizer broke your grub.cfg, unless you have no kernels in /boot/ in which case that is your problem.
[21:42] <xzil0> Hi guys i have Toshiba p505-s8980 laptop. It has Intel Core 2 Duo nad 6GB of DDR2. Which ubuntu should i go with 32 bit or 64bit???
[21:42] <agronholm> xzil0, no point in 32-bit OS
[21:42] <jrib> cdavis: that's probably the best thing to do.  The other alternative is to use the "equivs" package to create a fake package for the dependencies and install that, but I would not recommend this as it just clutters your install
[21:42] <bcbc2> zzing, http://askubuntu.com/questions/65740/upgrading-my-wubi-11-04-to-11-10
[21:42] <lunitik> zzing: yes... search 'software sources' in dash and go to "updates", make sure it is set to "notify for every release"... if you then go to update, it should notify you that 11.10 is available and guide you through upgrading
[21:42] <sianhulo> i haven't uninstalled any kernel
[21:42] <xzil0> agronholm, ok man. ty for reply :)
[21:42] <x_> xzil0, you on linux now?
[21:42] <Lcawte> anybody?
[21:42] <sianhulo> Jordan_U, so there should be at least one
[21:42] <Jordan_U> angryferret: Hold shift during boot to get the grub menu.
[21:42] <xzil0> x_,  yes but on my desktop pc
[21:43] <agronholm> jordan, doesn't work
[21:43] <Jordan_U> agronholm: ^^
[21:43] <x_> xzil0, cat /proc/cpuinfo and pastebin it
[21:43] <agronholm> tried that already several times
[21:43] <zzing> bcbc2   lunitik  thank you both
[21:43] <TheFuzz4> Good Afternoon
[21:43] <agronholm> I am screwed with my work pc now
[21:43] <bcbc2> zzing: np
[21:43] <agronholm> cannot get to a legible boot screen or even safe mode
[21:43] <TheFuzz4> is anyone having issues with Oneiric and synergy?
[21:43] <xzil0> x_,  im not on my notebook, i got answer already.
[21:43] <x_> xzil0, nm, you want the 64bit version
[21:44] <sianhulo> Jordan_U, i'm not sure, but that was for me?
[21:44] <Jordan_U> sianhulo: Can you confirm? "sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/; ls /mnt/boot/"?
[21:44] <unkmar> If I need to distro upgrade to at least 10.04. then Ubuntu goes bye, bye.  I'll move this thing over to debian.
[21:44] <MeOhmy11> 11.10 might just end up being the nail in the coffin for Ubuntu!
[21:44] <sianhulo> Jordan_U, it has problems mounting with my live cd
[21:44] <sebsebseb> unkmar: oh your on 9.10 ?
[21:44] <sianhulo> it tells something about it doesn't exist
[21:44] <Lcawte> I'm having a slight issue after upgrading to 11.10... it seems I can't log into my own account, it flashes to some terminal output and then back to the login screen, but I can log into any other account, and I'm 100% sure my password is right...
[21:44] <jrib> unkmar: I don't actually see a question from you
[21:44] <Jordan_U> sianhulo: The only messages for you were those prefixed with your nick.
[21:44] <MeOhmy11> I can't use unity for work, too hard to get windows situated on the desktop correctly, and my awesome work desktop machine keeps hanging at checking battery state?
[21:44] <|gonzo|> hi, I need to clean my configuration files after moving from 11.04 to 11.10, unity won't start in 3d mode, it works however with a new clean account
[21:45] <x_> MeOhmy11, tried xubuntu?
[21:45] <MeOhmy11> can't get Nvidia dual port card to come up, total JUNK.
[21:45] <deebee_> andeeeuk_: any other samba packages you can purge that might help?
[21:45] <unkmar> jrib: any ideas how to get the nvidia drivers working again?
[21:45] <w30> Lcawte, I had that problem when I had (tried to login to) a login for a window manager that I didn't have. Check what you are trying at the chooser at the bottom of your screen after you click on your user name?
[21:45] <sianhulo> but have to prove the 2nd command
[21:45] <Jordan_U> sianhulo: What problems?
[21:45] <sianhulo> wait a moment
[21:45] <Jordan_U> !details | sianhulo
[21:45] <jrib> unkmar: "again"?  What's the context?
[21:45] <unkmar> sebsebseb: no, 8.04
[21:45] <Lcawte> w30: you mean like the Ubuntu, Ubuntu 3D thing?
[21:45] <andeeeuk_> deebee_ thanks, that helped out and i got it working
[21:45] <jeffcox> is there a channel for ubuntu cloud? or is this a good place?
[21:46] <TheFuzz4> anyone got time to help troubleshoot a synergy issue?
[21:46] <lunitik> MeOhmy11: sorry for your frustrations, but ranting here isn't going to help... do you have any actual questions?
[21:46] <w30> Lcawte, yeah, just a thought.
[21:46] <oCean> jeffcox: there is #ubuntu-cloud channel
[21:46] <jrib> unkmar: desktop support for 8.04 ended a few months ago, you should upgrade
[21:46] <deebee_> andeeeuk_: good news :)
[21:46] <sianhulo> Jordan_U, neither of them worked
[21:46] <jeffcox> cool thanks, and gluck everyone
[21:46] <Lcawte> w30: its set to Ubuntu... and "Ubuntu" works on all the other accounts I've tried :S
[21:46] <MeOhmy11> someone said that the Nvidia 173 driver was blacklisted, I get some kind of error like that....no gdm to restart, no xorg.conf to fix, can't figure it out.
[21:46] <sianhulo> both tell that file or directory doesn't exist
[21:46] <andeeeuk_> deebee_ thanks for your help it was quite frustrating :)
[21:46] <jordan1306> Help - upgrade of 11.10 went wrong booting from USB and now I can't boot into anything but the live CD. What should I do from here and how do I keep my files?
[21:46] <d1kb> FloodBot 1,2 or 3 could you please point me in the direction of c library to python please. Might have found the the answer?! The vectors of c in the 9 square vex are!!!!!!! same as python 12
[21:47] <MeOhmy11> I have been using ubuntu since 6.06, and this is the worst experience I have ever had with Ubuntu!
[21:47] <Jordan_U> sianhulo: Please always give full details. What command did you run? What was the output?
[21:47] <x_> MeOhmy11, cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf and pastebin
[21:47] <andeeeuk_> i am still not able to run sudo apt-get install -f from command line
[21:47] <DX099> hello all can s.o. help me extracting specific files/folders from a tar archive, it's just to big for graphical utility . I tried tar tvf file.tar -T "home/" and many others, including wildcards, without "T" option, etc. but still it goes on even when it's done extracting my files
[21:47] <MeOhmy11> Sorry x_, have to have a working PC for work, so putting 11.04 back on it.
[21:47] <Lcawte> w30: going to reboot, changed my graphics driver while I was at it...
[21:48] <sianhulo> Jordan_U, the coomands you gave me, exactly when you try to mount a directory that doesn't exist(can't give an acurate log because ubuntu is in spanish)
[21:48] <MeOhmy11> but thanks for the help.
[21:48] <TheFuzz4> anyone got time to help troubleshoot a synergy issue?
[21:48] <unkmar> jrib: kernel is 2.6.24-29-generic.  The nvidia drivers WHERE working under 2.6.24-27-generic but not anymore.
[21:48] <lunitik> MeOhmy11: I am using the nvidia 173 driver, so you were misinformed... you can generate an xorg.conf via Xorg -config ... they are usually hotpluged now
[21:48] <x_> MeOhmy11, if its blacklisted in that file you can remove it....
[21:48] <jrib> unkmar: I'd suggest upgrading to 10.04 if you want to stick with LTS
[21:48] <deebee_> andeeeuk_: again, you'll need to give more detail for anyone to help :)
[21:49] <unkmar> if I need to distro upgrade to at least 10.04. then Ubuntu goes bye, bye.  I'll move this thing over to debian.
[21:49] <andeeeuk_> thats ok thanks
[21:49] <Jordan_U> sianhulo: Please run "export LANG=C && sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/ && ls /mnt/boot/" and pastebin the output.
[21:49] <david_> yo! cannot get phpmyadmin to go - get this message 'Cannot load mysqli extension. Please check your PHP configuration' Googled but still cannot figure out
[21:49] <andeeeuk_> i will leave it for now
[21:49] <MeOhmy11> is there anyway to get ubuntu classic back on 11.10?  I have seen several posts about it, but none seem to work.
[21:49] <unkmar> I moved all MY machines over a year ago.
[21:49] <TheFuzz4> MeOhmy11: yes
[21:49] <x_> MeOhmy11, also check nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf  173 is blacklisted in there for me.
[21:49] <andeeeuk_> i can install and uninstall at the mo so im happy :)
[21:49] <MeOhmy11> I have a laptop I put 11.10 on it, but I hate Unity.
[21:49] <ben__> Hi again all, still cant get my box to launch grub, thinking it maybe down to UEFI mobo? Output of running boot_info_script is here in second post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1859229. Is there something obvious im missing? Thanks again
[21:49] <sianhulo> Jordan_U, this omputer isn't the one who has the problem, may take a little
[21:49] <TheFuzz4> MeOhmy11: I just sent you a PM
[21:50] <Jordan_U> !notunity | MeOhmy11
[21:50] <jrib> unkmar: 8.04 desktop isn't support.  It isn't wise to run unsupported releases.  Debian is a fine distribution as well.  Use what works for you.  Though debian releases also are supported for finite time.  Ubuntu LTS releases get desktop support for 3 years
[21:50] <TheFuzz4> I can help you get back ubuntu classic
[21:50] <jordan1306> Help - upgrade of 11.10 went wrong booting from USB and now I can't boot into anything but the live CD. What should I do from here and how do I keep my files?
[21:50] <unkmar> and no matter the distro, I am getting tired of so called upgrades making relatively young equipment obsolete.
[21:50] <x_> unkmar, how does an upgrade make hardware obsolote ?
[21:50] <jrib> unkmar: I have 10 year old machines using 10.04 fine
[21:50] <deebee_> unkmar: there are distros which will easily run on 10 year old equipment and older
[21:51] <d1kb> tar xvf panda.tar Extract files from panda.tar
[21:51] <reny> ciao
[21:51] <sianhulo> Jordan_U, http://pastebin.com/tL5fFUuB
[21:51] <w30> Lcawte, Well, it's something your home directory I would say. backup home then replace your home with a copy a working users home; chown -r you.you new-home. Start substituting your old configs until it fails again.
[21:51] <reny> !lista
[21:51] <bailies> how do i get sun java on 11.10
[21:52] <unkmar> deebee_: this is true.  Yet I have experience some of the main stream distros simply NOT installing onto 10 year old equipment.
[21:52] <lunitik> x_: probably because of graphics requirements, but there is unity2d and lubuntu/xubuntu and even kubuntu with their other config settings (I forget, something for older systems)
[21:52] <sebsebseb> jeffcox: #ubuntu-one
[21:52] <x_> lunitik, yea, I use xubuntu on new hardware heh.
[21:52] <seyacat> hi ubuntu
[21:53] <deebee_> unkmar: that's because the default install of mainstream distros is for mainstream hardware, i.e newer than 10 years!
[21:53] <TheFuzz4> if someone can help me with synergy it would be great just PM me please thanks
[21:53] <DX099> can some one help me restore specific folders with tar from a backup ?
[21:53] <Jordan_U> sianhulo: Indeed, it would seem that grub-customizer broke things then as you do have kernels but they are not listed in your grub.cfg.
[21:53] <david_> yo! cannot get phpmyadmin to go - get this message 'Cannot load mysqli extension. Please check your PHP configuration' Googled but still cannot figure out
[21:53] <deebee_> unkmar: just find a distro and config that suits you, that's the beauty of linux
[21:53] <lunitik> x_: used to use gnome + gnome-do with dock here, unity is basically the same but with appmenu which I've been wanting in gnome forever
[21:54] <lunitik> x_: basically, they've made it so all my customizations are now default, heh
[21:54] <sianhulo> Jordan_U, so i better gotta cry?the only way to fix is reinstalling from a cd?
[21:54] <seyacat> how can i change SUPER key on oneiric, or disable all alt+mouse buttons?
[21:54] <Jordan_U> sianhulo: You should be able to remove grub-customizer from a chroot.
[21:55] <jrib> DX099: tar xvf file.tar.gz file1 file2 ...
[21:55] <lunitik> Jordan_U: not possible that update-grub script can fix his grub?
[21:55] <sianhulo> however, i don't think removing it will do a thing to fix it
[21:55] <lunitik> sianhulo: it won't, because its config changes will stay  :/
[21:56] <Jordan_U> lunitik: update-grub can't be run from a liveCD unless you chroot into the install in question. The install in question has a broken update-grub due to grub-customizer.
[21:56] <sianhulo> as i thougt :S
[21:56] <phartz> welp time for a $sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. wish me luck.
[21:56] <sianhulo> o, i see
[21:56] <Jordan_U> sianhulo: Why don't you think removing grub-customizer will help?
[21:56] <lunitik> sianhulo: loop mounting ubuntu in the virtual machine, then update-grub /dev/sdwhatever should fix it
[21:56] <sianhulo> maybe i'm paranoid
[21:56] <Jordan_U> phartz: Stop.
[21:56] <penlat> anyone know how to unlock vmware workstation on ubuntu
[21:57] <sianhulo> don't pay me attention xD, i wont lose a thing
[21:57] <lunitik> Jordan_U: why would update-grub be broken... his config files are just wrong atm
[21:57] <bailies> how do i get sun java on 11.10
[21:57] <sianhulo> lunitik, i can't mount it
[21:57] <lunitik> sianhulo: why not?
[21:57] <Jordan_U> phartz: Do *NOT* use "apt-get dist-upgrade" to upgrade from one release of Ubuntu to another.
[21:57] <epaphus> Hello. Is there a network load indicator i can install from gnome from the repos??
[21:57] <sianhulo> it's likely to be grub-customizar, it says the file or directory doesn't exist
[21:57] <d1kb> epaphus yes
[21:58] <epaphus> d1kb, whats it called_
[21:58] <pangolin> epaphus: indicator-network
[21:58] <magik_> hi guys how to see if my ath5k is working ?
[21:58] <ben__> Thinking out loud here; is it worth discontenting the two windows drive, leaving AHCI enabled, then installing and seeing if I can boot then with just the one drive. And if so work it from there?
[21:58] <DX099> jrib, it won't work tar continues to work even when it has finished selected directory
[21:58] <d1kb> For server?
[21:59] <magik_> it was something like lspsi ...?
[21:59] <Jordan_U> lunitik: There is no configuration option in grub2 which would completely remove all his kernel entries.
[21:59] <bailies> Jordan_U what are you suppose to use to upgrade releases?
[21:59] <sianhulo> Jordan_U, so... how i unistall it with that chroot method?didn't find something
[21:59] <magik_> anibody caan help me here ?
[21:59] <magik_> any*
[21:59] <lunitik> Jordan_U: it will add entries that work...
[22:00] <Jordan_U> !upgrade | bailies phartz
[22:00] <jrib> DX099: works fine in the examples I tried
[22:00] <epaphus> pangolin, i installed it.. but how do i use it though..?
[22:00] <VCoolio> magik_: lspci for listed hardware, doesn't tell if it's working properly thi
[22:00] <pangolin> epaphus: no idea - I don't use it. should just appear in the top panel I would presume
[22:00] <qmanjr5> I'm on a live CD right now, and I just installed Ubuntu on a partition. How do I take the files from my old partition and put them on the new one? If I boot into Ubuntu, it says I don't have permissions.
[22:01] <mitoni> Jordan_U, why is "apt-get dist-upgrade not recommended?
[22:01] <magik_> VCoolio: well what is the command for seeing if its working properly ^^ ?
[22:01] <sianhulo> Jordan_U, btw, if i seems to get out, it would be probably internet problems
[22:01] <d1kb> All grub entry's have to be removed manually from the command shell the same way you add another os !
[22:01] <agronholm> so I was able to boot into rescue mode and reinstall nvidia-current...but even then, it won't boot into X
[22:01] <agronholm> I am stuck in the loading screen
[22:01] <Palace_chan> is there something like nm for .a files? to find symbols or such?
[22:01] <Jordan_U> mitoni: Because update-manager and do-release upgrade have extra sanity checks and procedures.
[22:02] <DX099> jrib, ah, it worked... though i'm sure i've already tried with your syntax... well thanks
[22:02] <luca> are you downloading the new distribution of ubuntu?
[22:02] <bailies> how do i get sun java on 11.10
[22:02] <szal> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade <- 1st sentence, a glitch in the text ;)
[22:02] <VCoolio> magik_: I don't even know what ath5k is, I just associated your q with lspci :)
[22:03] <magik_> VCoolio: i finded it .. ^^ was lsmod :P
[22:03] <lunitik> agronholm: didn't you say you wanted nvidia 173? that isn't current
[22:03] <Moc> So apparently gnome 3 in 11.10 is looking pretty good
[22:03] <agronholm> lunitik, I said nothing about versions
[22:03] <qmanjr5> I'm on a live CD right now, and I just installed Ubuntu on a partition. How do I take the files from my old partition and put them on the new one? If I boot into Ubuntu, it says I don't have permissions.
[22:03] <agronholm> but even so I should be able to boot X
[22:03] <agronholm> and I cannot
[22:03] <agronholm> and I can't figure out why
[22:04] <magik_> qmanjr5: nautilus =) ...
[22:04] <seyacat> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1620284
[22:04] <mitoni> Jordan_U, thanks for the info. I'll do the upgrade through the update-manager then.
[22:04] <qmanjr5> magik_, when I try to go into either of the partitions, neither happens. I double click, and it just stays on the same screen.
[22:04] <phartz> sounds like you need use chown on your old files, qmanjr5
[22:04] <lunitik> agronholm: ahh, well, apologies... but perhaps your card is too old for current driver anyway?
[22:04] <oso_ubuntu> i installed ubuntu 11.10 beta 2, is it necessary to reinstall now the distro is officially released? Or is an update enough?
[22:04] <Jordan_U> sianhulo: sudo mount --bind /dev/ /mnt/dev && sudo mount --bind /proc/ /mnt/proc && sudo mount --bind /sys/ /mnt/sys && sudo mount --bind /dev/pts/ /mnt/dev/pts/ && sudo chroot /mnt/
[22:04] <magik_> qmanjr5: sudo apt-get install nautilus
[22:05] <slinzex>  I have dell vostro 1720. Using gnome3. When I unplug cable of AC, it shows me message : BATTERY CRITICALLY LOW... PC will hibernate. After that I can't do anything , it SHUTDOWN! not hibernate.  However the battery is full charged 100%. It happens sometimes.How could I fix this?
[22:05] <magik_> qmanjr5: sudo nautilus
[22:05] <Jordan_U> mitoni: You're welcome.
[22:05] <wad> Just got 11.10 installed.... pretty decent. I turned on the desktop cube, but it's only got two sides. How does one get it to have four?
[22:05] <mattalexx> Is there a way to see more debug info while Ubuntu CD is loading?
[22:05] <magik_> qmanjr5: and you can move it even delete it ^^
[22:05] <CrunchyChewie> anyone having problem with GVIM icon turning into a question mark?
[22:05] <CrunchyChewie> in 11.10?
[22:05] <Jordan_U> sianhulo: Then apt-get remove whatever package contained grub-customizer and run "update-grub".
[22:05] <lunitik> oso_ubuntu: nope, just sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and its oneiric release
[22:05] <agronholm> lunitik, this is a laptop and it's pretty new too
[22:06] <qmanjr5> magik_, I already have nautilus, and I just explained what happened.
[22:06] <agronholm> lunitik, besides, it worked on the first boot just fine
[22:06] <agronholm> only after I uninstalled nvidia-current did it blow up
[22:06] <thorn> I have a glitch that keeps repeating itself. See http://imm.io/ahBs for an example. This never happened before with previous releases of ubuntu, only with 11.04. it seems to have to do with text rendering and window drawing... how can I reset this when it happens without restarting? How can I fix it altogether? can someone give me an idea of how to google this problem?
[22:06] <sianhulo> jordan_u wait me a moment
[22:06] <bailies> im on 64 bit 11.10 i added multiverse i still don't see sun java in apt-cache how do i get it?
[22:06] <oso_ubuntu> lunitik : thanks
[22:06] <qmanjr5> phartz, so I have to boot into my old partition and use chown on the files I want to move over?
[22:07] <magik_> qmanjr5: well i didnt saw ..
[22:07] <lunitik> bailies: you have to get it from oracle... it is no longer supported by Ubuntu (supported is openjdk only)
[22:07] <magik_> qmanjr5: i cant help you :/
[22:07] <qmanjr5> magik_, alright, thanks anyway.
[22:07] <sianhulo> Jordan_U, i don't know which were installed, but i'm uninstalling grub-customizer
[22:07] <sianhulo> Jordan_U, will tell you if update-grub works
[22:07] <magik_> qmanjr5: are you sure you make first sudo su and then sudo nautilus :/ ?
[22:08] <itaylor57> lunitik, that is not true I am using sun java as we speak
[22:08] <qmanjr5> If I do sudo nautilus, it opens a file manager, but I can only go to /
[22:08] <Jordan_U> !gksudo | magik_
[22:08] <qmanjr5> I can't go into the other partitons.
[22:08] <lunitik> itaylor57: you didn't get it in the oneiric repo
[22:08] <itaylor57> yes I did
[22:08] <CrunchyChewie> my GVim icon keeps turning into a question mark in the unity launcher on 11.10
[22:09] <sianhulo> Jordan_U, it did it. but is normal this log?:"sudo: unable to resolve host ubuntu"
[22:09] <d3vlin> Just upgraded to Oneiric, but after booting I get command prompt tty1 instead of X. According to Xorg.0.log it can't find nvidia module. When I start lightdm then manually all is fine. I guess nvidia module is not loaded yet when X fires... is there a solution to this?
[22:09] <magik_> qmanjr5: well idk man :/ sry =(
[22:09] <phartz> I think it would be $sudo chown -R username /path/to/files, qmanjr5
[22:09] <lunitik> itaylor57: package name?
[22:09] <qmanjr5> phartz, now, do I run that on the old partition, or the new one?
[22:10] <Mneumonic> Has anyone in here successfully installed the ATI catalyst in 11.10?
[22:10] <TheFuzz4> ok so Gnome shell is better than unity
[22:10] <TheFuzz4> got it
[22:10] <TheFuzz4> and also if you use Gnome classic it will not work with Synergy for whatever reason
[22:10] <phartz> Run the command from your new install. On your old partition files.
[22:10] <Jordan_U> sianhulo: No. Is your terminal prompt currently ending with '#' rather than '$'?
[22:10] <qmanjr5> phartz, what would the path be then? :S
[22:10] <rocket16> Hello people. I have Ubuntu 11.04 on my Dell Inspiron n4010 laptop, and everything is perfect without the sound. It is really low, even after adjusting the alsamixer, and I am not sure if there should be any extra driver. :( Any suggestion?
[22:10] <lunitik> TheFuzz4: depends what definition of "better" you're using... gnome-shell does much less, and does not have the same indexing... it also wastes much more screen real estate
[22:10] <sianhulo> yes, it is, an telling root either, Jordan_U
[22:11] <Jordan_U> sianhulo: Then just 'apt-get remove grub-customizer" without sudo.
[22:11] <phartz> the path would be /mountpointofyourpartition
[22:11] <tsaavik> Hey all, 11.04(gnome) to 11.10(gnome) update, lost my 'pager' (workspace switcher) any idea what the package is called? Tried a few, no luck so far :)
[22:11] <itaylor57> lunitik, 6.261onerice-1
[22:11] <lunitik> TheFuzz4: About the only advantage to gnome-shell is built in instant messaging, really
[22:11] <TheFuzz4> lunitik: you are correct, one thing I do miss though is I miss my task bar
[22:11] <w30> qmanjr5, / on you live cd is a file system created in memory. You have to cd to your harddrive partitions if they are mounted by the live cd in /mnt or /media. If not then mount them with mount.
[22:11] <w47331> good evening all...my ~$ lspci | grep VGA
[22:11] <w47331> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) is not seen in ubuntu 11.10 any help please?
[22:11] <Otend> oh no download speeds
[22:12] <qmanjr5> w30, alright, thanks.
[22:12] <TheFuzz4> lunitik: I really didn't want to go to either Unity or Shell I just wanted classic but synergy will not work properly in classic
[22:12] <lunitik> TheFuzz4: the launcher shows what is open, and the compiz stuff for showing what is on the desktop is nice etc
[22:12] <Otend> (I know, torrents, but oh well I am lazy)
[22:12] <sianhulo> Jordan_U, i unistalled all the aplication that came with grub-customizer... i think
[22:12] <qmanjr5> They're not in /mnt or /media
[22:12] <lunitik> itaylor57: I am 100% sure it isn't in oneric, are you sure it isn't openjdk you're using?
[22:12] <qmanjr5> so what do I do with mount?
[22:13] <Jordan_U> sianhulo: Then run "update-grub" and pastebin the output.
[22:13] <itaylor57> lunitik, Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_26-b03)
[22:13] <sianhulo> Jordan_U, the ouput was "done"
[22:13] <qmanjr5> w30, how do I use 'mount'
[22:13] <TheFuzz4> does tempt me though to give KDE another shot
[22:13] <pangolin> lunitik: java is in the !partner repo
[22:13] <TheFuzz4> been a while since I used the KDE
[22:13] <pangolin> !partner
[22:14] <lunitik> TheFuzz4: win+w for instance, visual feedback is better jsut words
[22:14] <Jordan_U> sianhulo: Can you pastebin the output of "ls /etc/grub.d/" and the contents of /boot/grub/grub.cfg? (/mnt/boot/grub/grub.cfg if you're outside the chroot).
[22:15] <w30> qmanjr5, in a terminal mkdir /media/partition1(or whatever you like) then mount /dev/sda1 /media/partition1
[22:15] <tauntaun> Hello.  I've been a UNIXer most my life and a Linuxer for 1.5 decades.  I now need to get a new laptop and I'm wondering if I'd enjoy a Mac.  Anyone care to share advice and/or personal experience before I make the decision?
[22:15] <lunitik> pangolin: ahhh... itaylor57: then I apologize bailies: add the partner repo as ubottu just showed
[22:15] <andeeeuk> damn 11.10 is shocking.....
[22:15] <andeeeuk> hahahahahahaha
[22:15] <andeeeuk> love this piece of .....
[22:16] <kriwik> Hi guys, anyone having problems with the mouse freezing up in 11.10
[22:16]  * lunitik thinks oneiric is an improvement... and things like juju are awesome
[22:16] <qmanjr5> what would be the mount path to the new partition?
[22:17] <VCoolio> qmanjr5: find partitions with sudo fdisk -l
[22:17] <kriwik> Hi guys, anyone having problems with the mouse freezing up in 11.10?
[22:17] <lunitik> andeeeuk: there are always issues right after release though because Ubuntu users don't run the pre-releases much compared to other distros...
[22:17] <lunitik> !repeat | kriwik
[22:17] <w30> qmanjr5, cd /media/partition1(or whater you named it)
[22:17] <kriwik> sry
[22:17] <w47331> any help to enable S3TC support
[22:17] <VCoolio> qmanjr5: or sudo blkid
[22:17] <TheFuzz4> kriwik: I can't report that I've had any trouble yet
[22:17] <mintsoup> In 11.10, my menubar is hidden above the top of the screen in Unity 2D. I'm using two monitors, and it shows up on the non-laptop screen, but on the laptop screen the menubar is hidden above the top of the screen--anyone know how to troubleshoot this?
[22:18] <andeeeuk> lol.... yeah always issues. Never this shocking!! There should be no release with these issues!!!
[22:18] <qmanjr5> w30, /media/old is the old one, where I want to take files from. I made a directory /media/new for the new partition, where I want the files to go
[22:18] <qmanjr5> but how do I mount the new partition?
[22:18] <kriwik> TheFuzz4: ok I have seen some issues in some forums, but my USB mouse works
[22:18] <TheFuzz4> thats all I have
[22:18] <andeeeuk> I cant login to package manager, edit any system settings at all and the only way to login with my user account is if i say autologin
[22:19] <bailies> lunitik i think you were right i dont see it in there either
[22:19] <sianhulo> Jordan_U, http://pastebin.com/2VCZqnDD, and how i see it's content?i tried with gedit, but i couldn
[22:19] <andeeeuk> just a load of rubbish!!!
[22:19] <Roasted> Anybody using deja dup? I'm trying to restore a backup and I'm clearly using the right info but it's saying I'm not...
[22:20] <jrib> andeeeuk: if you want support, please state your issue on a single line with relevant details such as logs and error messages in a pastebin.  Exclamations like "just a load of rubbish!!!" and similar, are not productive at all
[22:20] <andeeeuk> cant use any sudo commands, quite frankly im am suprised I am even logged in
[22:20] <qmanjr5> w30, ?
[22:20] <w30> qmanjr5,same way, mkdir /media/new then mount /dev/sda2(or whatever the new partition is) /media/new
[22:20] <elektrocat> Hello
[22:21] <qmanjr5> how do I tell which number to put after sda?
[22:21] <andeeeuk> the issue is a user issue. I am not able to login to my account. I cant use any sudo commands or install programs or uninstall
[22:21] <phartz> sudo fdisk -l
[22:21] <jrib> andeeeuk: how do you know that you cannot use any sudo commands or install if you cannot login to your account?
[22:21] <Roasted> oh
[22:22] <qmanjr5> phartz, that lists a bunch of devices
[22:22] <lunitik> andeeeuk: is there an error when you attempt to use sudo?
[22:22] <Roasted> all the sudden its choosing to work
[22:22] <Roasted> nice?
[22:22] <phartz> qmanjr5, will tell you the names of your partitions
[22:22] <qmanjr5> Yeah
[22:22] <qmanjr5> but there's 5
[22:22] <sianhulo> Jordan_U, here it is http://pastebin.com/bgrgdee7
[22:22] <tsaavik> Could someone pm me the output of: ps auxw |grep -i [w]orkspace
[22:22] <andeeeuk> no, it just goes to the next line as if i cant use it at all. not command not recognised or anything
[22:22] <jrib> !who | andeeeuk
[22:22] <elektrocat> I activated ATI ( Restricted ) drivers, but its still slow...
[22:22] <sianhulo> Jordan_U, i'm so sorry, i've gotta go, it's my grandfather birthday
[22:22] <elektrocat> does anyone know what to do? (11.10)
[22:22] <w30> qmanjr5, sda is first hard drive, sdb is second hard drive, etc. sda1 is first partition, sda2 is second partition,etc. adjust for your box
[22:23] <sianhulo> could you talk me  in pm?
[22:23] <qmanjr5> there's sda1, sda2, sda5, sda6 and sda7
[22:23] <VCoolio> qmanjr5: hit 'mount' to check which are in use as what, so you can rule out / and /home and swap
[22:23] <qmanjr5> lol
[22:23] <jrib> tsaavik: nothing returned.  What is your actual issue?
[22:23] <andeeeuk> lunitik sudo in command line just does nothing. It just goes to ask for another command
[22:24] <Zacarias> how can you see, running terminal, which programs are installed in your system?
[22:24] <jrib> Zacarias: dpkg -l | grep '^ii'
[22:24] <lunitik> andeeeuk: you have not set it to NOPASSWD?
[22:24] <qmanjr5> Alright, I think I got it
[22:24] <qmanjr5> it was sda6
[22:24] <andeeeuk> lunitik no, i have changed it a few times to make sure as well
[22:25] <andeeeuk> just a complete waste of time
[22:26] <lunitik> andeeeuk: I don't believe you, so 'sudo echo "this works" ' please... sudo has been around since the 80's and simply doesn't work as you describe
[22:26] <jrib> andeeeuk: I asked you to stop with that.
[22:26] <w30> qmanjr5, umount /media/new or old will umount the partition if you get it wrong
[22:26] <ddelony> !gwibber
[22:26] <onicrom> quick question, running ubuntu 10.04, have file-max set in sysctl.conf, have nofile set in limits.conf but the ulimit -Hn  or -Sn does not show me what i have in limits.conf
[22:26] <ddelony> Is anyone else having problems with Gwibber in 11.10?
[22:26] <onicrom> it seems it will ONLY increase once root as run ulimit -n xxxxx
[22:26] <Zacarias> jrib: thanks
[22:27] <andeeeuk> lunitik, it asks for a password, it just does not return anything
[22:27] <lunitik> andeeeuk: you are wasting our time with your snide comments, we understand you're frustrated, but most here are helping (or trying to) for free... if you want you can pay Canonical for support then cuss them out on the phone, but otherwise please stop being negative in the channel
[22:27] <qmanjr5> w30, I had gotten it wrong. Being a dope, I had mounted both sda1 and sda6 to /media/old. I didn't remember the proper command for umount, and being a dope some more, I just did mount /dev/sda6 /media/new and then mount /dev/sda1 /media/old
[22:27] <qmanjr5> will that mess it up?
[22:27] <ddelony>  Why is Gwibber such a hog?
[22:27] <kevinchess> w47331: how did you upgrade to 11.10?
[22:28] <andeeeuk> lunitik, sorry, I just cant beleive what has happened tbh
[22:28] <w47331> kevin it was fresh install not upgrade
[22:29] <qmanjr5> w30, do I have unmount them before I reboot?
[22:29] <lunitik> andeeeuk: I would prolly recommend a fresh install, cuz I don't understand what has happened either... it seems impossible
[22:29] <jrib> andeeeuk: how do you know that you cannot use any sudo commands or install if you cannot login to your account?
[22:29] <andeeeuk> lunitik seems everything that i put in the terminal relating to sudo just gets ignored
[22:29] <w30> qmanjr5, inspect what you have mounted to see if they meet what you think they are, umount and start over with mount if not
[22:29] <lunitik> jrib: he can log in
[22:29] <lunitik> jrib: or rather, he is logged in
[22:29] <qmanjr5> well I was able to move the files that I wanted saved
[22:30] <w47331> graphics on my inspiron 1545 not being recognized by ubuntu   any help please http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/707607/
[22:30] <jrib> lunitik: "I am not able to log in to my account"
[22:30] <lunitik> jrib: maybe if he logs out, he will not be able to do anything else... but its prompting for password, acting like the password is right, but returning nothing
[22:30] <qmanjr5> now when I type in umount /media/old, it says "umount: it seems /media/old is mounted multiple times"
[22:30] <andyvy> where do i select system font in 11.10? appearance window doesn't have anything in it now
[22:30] <andeeeuk> lunitik, jrib here is an example "sudo apt-get update" ENTER PASSWORD $
[22:31] <w30> qmanjr5, I would to be sure your writes are done umount will not complete until writes are done so you can be safe that way
[22:31] <andeeeuk> lunitik, jrib. thats exactly what is returned and it is nothing
[22:31] <TB|Vibe-X> qmanjr5,  you better do mount - bind ;)
[22:31] <kevinchess> w47331: i'm using update manager to install 11.10 and it brought up a prompt saying "Your graphics hardware may not be fully supported in Ubuntu 11.04. | The support in Ubuntu 11.04 for your intel graphics hardware is limited and you may encounter problems after the upgrade. Do you want to continue with the upgrade?"
[22:31] <lunitik> andeeeuk: seriously though, it would be quicker to do a fresh install than assist, since this is a new install anyway so I doubt you have done much
[22:32] <TB|Vibe-X> kevinchess, maybe deinstall it, upgrade
[22:32] <TB|Vibe-X> kevinchess, then install new driver?
[22:32] <lunitik> andeeeuk: maybe go into software center and save any package changes to oneconf first so there is less to do later
[22:32] <andeeeuk> lunitik i updated from the update manager, it was not a fresh install i have a lot of really important work on here
[22:33] <ale_> alemeran11@yahoo.com
[22:33] <pond> ok i want to dual boot 11.04 and windows, i had ubuntu installed first, the ubuntu 11.04. now i cant load ubuntu help pls
[22:33] <lunitik> andeeeuk: back it up and reinstall, or simply don't overwrite the /home partition if you separated it... either way, I have no idea what has happened, but I don't see how to fix it either
[22:33] <pond> i ment then windows&****'
[22:34] <andeeeuk> lunitik yeah ok I will do that. Thanks for your help. Sorry about the shocking messages. Just beware of this issue
[22:35] <NightHawk877> Is the new Ubuntu release worth downloading?
[22:35] <VCoolio> !grub | pond
[22:35] <SetiAmon> hey i'm not missing anything by upgrading from update manager then doing a fresh install right?
[22:35] <lunitik> SetiAmon: nope
[22:35] <pond> ty
[22:36] <andeeeuk> SetiAmon be careful as I have had issues with the update manager
[22:36] <joe040288> hi i want to upgrade from 10.10 to 11.10 but when i try update-manager -d it pops up with 10.04
[22:36] <SetiAmon> update manager is so slow
[22:36] <NightHawk877> weird.
[22:36] <joe040288> 11.04*
[22:36] <laumonier> whatis the command with apt-get to install the new ubuntu version?
[22:36] <VCoolio> joe040288: you can't skip that, you can only jump between LTS's
[22:36] <jrib> joe040288: yes, you cannot skip releases.  Also, -d is not necessary
[22:36] <jrib> !upgrade | laumonier
[22:37] <lunitik> laumonier: joe040288 just stated the correct command
[22:37] <joe040288> so inorder to get to 11.10 i have to install 11.04?
[22:37] <NightHawk877> I find it easier to backup my system and then install the new version.
[22:37] <VCoolio> joe040288: affirmative
[22:37] <SetiAmon> 729 bytes/sec shesh anyway i can fix that
[22:37] <ziner> Hi have a big Problem. ubuntu 10.11 is not starting. If i start ubuntu 11.10 i get the Message checking battery state... and than he Freezes. He has the same Error http://askubuntu.com/questions/64759/lightdm-checking-battery-state-no-login-screen
[22:37] <jrib> SetiAmon: use a local mirror
[22:37] <joe040288> man it would just be faster to download the new version and install it then it would be to go through to updates lol
[22:37] <Mneumonic> Has anyone in here successfully installed the ATI catalyst in 11.10?
[22:37] <zhiii> hello
[22:38] <VCoolio> joe040288: if you have /home as separate partition I'd go fresh
[22:38] <NightHawk877> Nope. ATi still has crappy Linux support. Nvidia is better anyway.
[22:38] <Mneumonic> I agree, but sadly my laptop has an ATI graphics card
[22:38] <joe040288> VCoolio, i dont keep a seperate /home i keep all my files on a whole seperate drive
[22:38] <Mneumonic> the catalyst works in other distros but not in 11.10
[22:39] <joe040288> VCoolio, so preaty much i loose all my settings but none of my files
[22:39] <NightHawk877> That's why I make sure my laptop hardware is fully supported in Ubuntu.
[22:39] <VCoolio> joe040288: well, your call; backup some configs and go fresh, or do two updates
[22:39] <belak> Is there a way to change my mouse from a single finger on the side of the touchpad working for scrolling to the double fingers, like it is on most other distros?
[22:39] <joe040288> Mneumonic, you can probably use the standard xorg driver but not prepritary which means no 3d
[22:40] <Trashi> hi guys. is there a website or s.th. like this to check up when a update for a package will gather into repositories?
[22:40] <jrib> !synaptics | belak
[22:40] <joe040288> VCoolio, ill probably just reinstall man wish ubuntu would let you just releases tho
[22:40] <Mneumonic> yea the default driver works alright but the proprietary doesn't install, just saw a forum post about a lot of people having similar issues
[22:40] <Mneumonic> hope ubuntu figures it out
[22:40] <joe040288> jump*
[22:40] <belak> jrib: thanks
[22:40] <BlueProtoman> Anyone mind helping me set up my ethernet connection in Ubuntu via the Recovery Mode shell?  Seems I have to in order to get it working properly.
[22:40] <jrib> belak: if it's not obvious how to do it by reading the documentation, try getting the settings from one of the other distros and reading through them
[22:41] <NightHawk877> Ubuntu 11.10 looks great on my laptop. I'm running it from my external hard drive.
[22:41] <th0r> belak: synclient might do it for you
[22:41] <joe040288> Mneumonic, i would just wait a couple of months this is linux some 1 will get it working
[22:41] <Mneumonic> hopefully in that amount of time, i'll have a new laptop, this thing has been nothing but trouble on linux
[22:41] <kevinchess> w47331: but i have a different intel gfx chip, lspci output: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
[22:42] <zykotick9> Trashi, after a release, packages don't get version updates, only security fixes
[22:42] <Moc> :( setup stuck at the end
[22:42] <Trashi> zykotick9: all right thx
[22:42] <kevinchess> w47331: i found that i could enable 3d acceleration on 11.04 by creating an xorg.conf, like they say here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Mavericki8xxStatus
[22:43] <joe040288> Mneumonic, yea i have issues with setting up the graphics on my desktop but thats because im using a home made vga cable so linux cant plug and play my monitor
[22:43] <thorn> I have a glitch that keeps repeating itself. See http://imm.io/ahBs for an example. This never happened before with previous releases of ubuntu, only with 11.04. it seems to have to do with text rendering and window drawing... how can I reset this when it happens without restarting? How can I fix it altogether? can someone give me an idea of how to google this problem?
[22:44] <belak> jrib: wow, just a single checkbox...I wonder how long that's been there... thanks again
[22:44] <joe040288> Mneumonic, i have to manually set my xorg.conf and of coruse they dont have xorg.conf any more to i have to build one from scratch lol
[22:44] <joe040288> anyways thx for the info guys guess i need to start downloading 11.10
[22:44] <joe040288> laterz
[22:44] <kaushal> Hi
[22:45] <Naixin> Hi. Apologies for being a pest, but could someone assist me in recovering my Ubuntu installation. It appears to be a HDD error, but I cannot get console commands to fix it.
[22:45] <kaushal> I need help on pastebinit
[22:45] <NightHawk877> I better install it then. I'll come back in if I run into any issues.
[22:45] <kaushal> cat glassfish0 | pastebinit -b http://sprunge.us -t [glassfish0] -> this does not set title
[22:45] <kaushal> Any clue ?
[22:46] <slinzex> I have dell vostro 1720. Using gnome3. When I unplug cable of AC, it shows me message : BATTERY CRITICALLY LOW... PC will hibernate. After that I can't do anything , it SHUTDOWN! not hibernate.  However the battery is full charged 100%. It happens sometimes. How could I fix this?
[22:48] <Naixin> My HDD will not mount. I have read I must use fdisk/e2fsck, but I cannot get it to recognise my drive.
[22:48] <Naixin> Normal startup informs me that it cannot be mounted. Using a Knoppix live CD, I can see everything on the drive.
[22:49] <jadugar> I booted 11.10 into a VM, but unfortunately I don't have USB-passthrough to the VM to make a bootable USB stick.  Is there a way to have it create a local file on disk that I can then later dd to a USB stick from my host machine?
[22:49] <tsaavik> Could someone pm me the output of: ps auxw |grep -i [w]orkspace
[22:50] <kaushal> cat glassfish0 | pastebinit -b http://sprunge.us -t [glassfish0] -> this does not set title
[22:51] <ronbas> so excuse my n00bage, is it possible to just mount the iso and upgrade from 11.04?
[22:51] <kaushal> ant clue ?
[22:51] <TB|Vibe-X> ronbas,  you can do dist-upgrade ;)
[22:51] <ronbas> thx TB|Vibe-X  is that suggested?  was trying to minimize my bandwidth usage (on their end)
[22:52] <TB|Vibe-X> ronbas, otherwise you better do fresh install ... or mount iso on loop device, but i dont know how to upgrade then
[22:52] <ronbas> gotcha, thanks
[22:52] <ing-daniel-lozan> hello
[22:52] <cutiyar> i cant Try out the ubuntu Cloud
[22:52] <TB|Vibe-X> ronbas, maybe you can do CDROM as package source
[22:52] <ronbas> cool, will look into that
[22:52] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, which problem exactly?
[22:53] <ing-daniel-lozan> will there be another realease of ubuntu netbook?
[22:53] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, i had get the SSH username@ipadress when i wrote it on terminal it say ( Permission denied (publickey).)
[22:54] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, then you key is denied ;)
[22:54] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, why?
[22:54] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, dont know, which cloud is it? i didnt work with ubuntu cloud, but you pub key have to be on that server ;)
[22:55] <tryggvib> I have a IBM T40. After upgrading to 11.04 connecting to a wireless network stopped working. I believe it is this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/743865 I just upgraded to 11.10 in the hopes of a fixed wireless but no cigar... any status update on this?
[22:55] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, and you authenticate with pub and private vua ssh
[22:55] <ing-daniel-lozan> exit
[22:55] <Guest11209> Hi there, I'm trying to compile some java code which uses an external library. How do I reference the foreign library in ubuntu?
[22:55] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, is your public key on that cloud (ssh authoisized keys)
[22:55] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, its latest one iam try it , he gave fingerprint also with SSH but i have to do to FINgerprint?
[22:56] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, i dont if it is
[22:56] <TB|Vibe-X> say you better put your key on that server first, otherwise the server dont know your pub key, and deny it ;)
[22:56] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, but you can authticate with password too?
[22:57] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, here https://try.cloud.ubuntu.com they gave me this SSH with fingerprint
[22:58] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, i just wrote ssh on terminal and say permission denied
[22:58] <TB|Vibe-X> it gave you ssh informations?
[22:58] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, server port username and password?
[22:58] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, doesnt ask to these
[22:59] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, i just tried these nothing else
[22:59] <TB|Vibe-X> what do you type exactly in terminal?
[22:59] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, SSH username@ip and enter
[23:00] <ultrixx> hey guys can i switch to "classic" in the new ubuntu version?
[23:00] <wmoss> anyone tried installing Oneric on a macbook 8.1?
[23:00] <TB|Vibe-X> ultrixx,  you need to install gnome .. its removed in new ubuntu
[23:00] <wmoss> I'm having trouble with this tutorial: http://homepage.uibk.ac.at/~c705283/archives/2011/09/04/linux_support_for_broadcom_4331_wireless_chip_macbook_pro_81/index.html
[23:00] <wmoss> I get errors when trying to install the module
[23:00] <TB|Vibe-X> and what did you got ? which informations?
[23:00]  * tMH- is gone. nsf
[23:00] <ultrixx> TB|Vibe-X: thanks.
[23:01] <tew88> Just installed 11.10. Everything appeared to work OK in the live CD environment, but when attempting to boot into Ubuntu (dual-booting with W7), the splash screen fails and shows me a load of processes that are checked off with 'OK'. At this point it stalls, and the last process/task that I can see is to do with checking the battery status (I'm on a desktop.) Any suggestions? Have no idea where to begin to
[23:01] <tew88>  search for a solution.
[23:02] <swordz> Does Unity work with multiple monitors yet?
[23:02] <swordz> Or am I not going to upgrade?
[23:02] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, i got this http://pastebin.com/sYVjeXxE
[23:02] <ultra-> evening
[23:02] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, yeah i register there now
[23:03] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, i see that : "All you need is an SSH client, and an SSH public key associated with your Launchpad.net"
[23:03] <mirja> hi i went through a buggy upgrade and now the xserver isnt starting, but startx works great
[23:03] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar,  you have to put your pub key on that server ;)
[23:03] <mirja> what should i do? dpkg-reconfigure?
[23:03] <ultra-> i have a mac osx volume on another partition... i can browse it from the GUI in ubuntu but i can't write to it b/c the destination is read-only... any ideas how i can change its contents?
[23:03] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, otherwise it deny
[23:03] <mirja> which package?
[23:03] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, yes it asked woth OPENID and loggened in
[23:03] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, which of PUB key ? and where to add?
[23:04] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar,  i see ... you better use that one time passwords from that site ;)
[23:04] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, you get, if you log in one time passwords
[23:04] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, i dont understand
[23:05] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, you should use ssh with option to use password
[23:05] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, no public key
[23:05] <steros> how do I get pidgin to display anything in 11.10?
[23:05] <gene_> hey all, im having problems connecting to a windows machine with my ubuntu machine...
[23:05] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, ok how? which password my ubuntu passwords?
[23:05] <TB|Vibe-X> gene_, what exactly? thats problem
[23:05] <nocturnal_> how can i make a command run every time my computer starts up. im using ubuntu server
[23:05] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar,  no, that pw you get on ubuntu cloud site
[23:05] <mirja> nocturnal_, does startx work?
[23:06] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, it generates every time new again
[23:06] <gene_> TB|Vibe-X i dont really know, i have samba installed and the group is the same
[23:06] <gene_> i get an error message thats kinda long
[23:06] <nocturnal_> mirja: x isnt installed
[23:06] <nocturnal_> mirja: xinit isnt installed
[23:06] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, i dont understand just give me away to try Cloud
[23:06] <gene_> error: dbus error org.freedesktop.dbus.error.noreply: did not recieve a reply....
[23:07] <tsaavik> Could someone pm me the output of: ps auxw |grep -i [w]orkspace
[23:07] <ericus-> Hey, anyone familiar with ClearOS?
[23:07] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar,  if you log in cloud and click upper site on start
[23:07] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, you get a line : ubuntu@SERVERIP
[23:07] <tew88> Ubuntu 11.10 won't boot up. Splash screen disappears and I'm left with lots of status messages that are all checked as 'OK'. The last one to appear says 'Checking battery status...' (or similar.) It won't progress beyond that. Any suggestions?
[23:07] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, avobe theres a password you need to use
[23:08] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, i have this ubuntu@servip
[23:08] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, yeah and above this line there is a line :
[23:08] <nocturnal_> how can i make iwconfig run every time i start my server so i don't have to manually configure my wireless card
[23:08] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, Your randomly generated one time password is 'xxxxxxxxxx'. You will be forced to change
[23:09] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, no its not show password
[23:09] <TB|Vibe-X> cutiyar, strange ...
[23:09] <gene_> can anyone point me to a guide that will explain how to share a folder over a network with one windows and one ubuntu computer?
[23:09] <cutiyar> TB|Vibe-X, iam using Openid to use cloud may be its the openid password
[23:10] <TB|Vibe-X> say maybe, but in that moment, your pubkey is denied ... so you need a password
[23:10] <TB|Vibe-X> gene_, you better use samba GUI Tool
[23:10] <osd1000> I'm using ubuntu 11.10 and i think its Good. very good ever since i switched from linux mint 11.
[23:10] <ericus> I run a setup; internet > ClearOS > Switch > Workstation
[23:10] <gene_> on the ubuntu machine?
[23:11] <ericus> Can't get internet access from my workstation
[23:11] <osd1000> however i still have my linux mint 11 installation disc.
[23:11] <TB|Vibe-X> gene_, if you have that problems , so you could use a gui tool , finding in software center or in apt-cache search samba |grep gui
[23:11] <ericus> But I can access the server
[23:11] <ericus> and the server can access the internet
[23:11] <mirja> tew88, ive the same problem, startx works fine, but do you have any solutions?
[23:11] <gene_> ok thanks
[23:11] <TB|Vibe-X> gene_,  no problem ;)
[23:12] <somethinginteres> what is the general turnaround time for an update being in -proposed, making it into the main -updates?
[23:13] <osd1000> anyways. i think the first ubuntu version i used was 10.04 LTS.
[23:13] <w47331> anyone here run rFactor?
[23:13] <Jimmio> Hey all. Where are the pulse/alsa config files? It's choosing the wrong device for a USB audio device I have and only allows output because of that.
[23:13] <osd1000> control+windows key=opens dash home
[23:14] <Jimmio> osd1000: Windows key alone does that.
[23:14] <nocturnal_> i have breezy badger cds
[23:15] <DarsVaeda> is there a help for unit now with instructions on how to use the mess or still nothing? :/
[23:15] <w47331> my system has an unknown graphics hardware....but it shows up here what i have...  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/707607/
[23:16] <sejwal> Hello Everyone, need some help with gparted. I have a brand new 1 TB harddisk, it has 2 partition i want to delete and merge the into one. one of the partition gives a Unable to open /dev/sdb read-write (Read-only file system) error when trying to delete
[23:18] <ultra-> what does "omitting directory" mean when i try to copy a file via terminal?
[23:19] <tsaavik> cp dosn't copy directories by default
[23:19] <Zanzacar> If I have written a python script and I wanted to be able to simply type in the command and have it work instead of python program.py, how would I do that? Simply to the file in /usr/bin?
[23:19] <perlstein> add #!/usr/bin/env python
[23:19] <perlstein> to the top and make it +x
[23:19] <perlstein> chmod +x it
[23:20] <ultra-> i'm using: sudo cpNullCPUPowerManagement.kext /media/OSX/Extra/AdditionalExtensions/
[23:20] <ultra-> shouldn't that copy that file into the dir?
[23:20] <ultra-> i'm doing this from the file's directory
[23:20] <ultra-> um space after cp
[23:20] <Zanzacar> so do the same as you would for a bash script, but to do that you even have to call the location of the script, such as /home/username/Document/script.sh
[23:20] <w30> sejwal, I read some where that terabyte hard drives have a partition to help Windows XP or Windows something use them. I you ever want Widows installed on it again; check that out.
[23:21] <somethinginteres> Zacarias: I use "sh <nameofscript>.sh"
[23:21] <w30> Widows/windows
[23:21] <somethinginteres> Zacarias: woops sorry Zacarias - got confused there
[23:22] <sejwal> w30: Okay then I think its safe to leave that partition as it is and change the other parition as NTFS
[23:22] <Zanzacar> somethinginteres: If you do that you still need to be at the location of the script correct, you can be in any part of the file system and type in sh <scriptname>.sh and have it work.
[23:22] <ericus> Hey, anyone familiar with ClearOS?
[23:22] <Zanzacar> I want to make it a universal command basically similar to ls, cp, etc.
[23:23] <tsaavik> Could someone pm me the output of: ps auxw |grep -i [w]orkspace
[23:24] <osd1000> ubuntu is a pretty popular linux distro i don't know how it got so popular in 2005 and 2006.
[23:24] <torror> i do not get the desktop/compiz effects working. have the current nvidia driver and default unity theme
[23:24] <WinCamXP> pretty popular? its the most popular
[23:24] <iRabbit> Fedora > Ubuntu
[23:24] <osd1000> ... true.
[23:25] <osd1000> but fedora is like for experts and besides on fedora 15 gnome 3 always crashes.
[23:25] <WinCamXP> Is there any general Linux support channel here? All I know of is this, which is just Ubuntu...maybe #linux ...?
[23:25] <iRabbit> wincamXP: ##Linux
[23:26] <Zanzacar> a few months ago when I was switching from windows to linux I tried every linux distro I could find. I also tried to find help setting things up on each distro. I found ubuntu had the great community of people that would help me.
[23:26] <DarsVaeda> there is also debian if you like to keep it to that :)
[23:26] <DarsVaeda> #debian i mean
[23:26] <bailies> im on 64 bit 11.10 i added multiverse and partner in the source list i still don't see sun java in apt-cache how do i get it?
[23:26] <Zanzacar> Not only that I never had that many problem with it.
[23:26] <w47331> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/707632/ any help with installing the right drivers?
[23:26] <WinCamXP> bailies: use the partners repository for java 6
[23:27] <leftist> afternoon. we need to use mysql enterprise version. i always thought that mysql was free? it was open source? and free?  am i wrong? because when i went to oracles site, it offers me the opp to "try" it however it has like a 10k price attached to it. am i not thinking straight on this? i need some clarification. please.
[23:27] <WinCamXP> enterprise versions aren't ever free
[23:28] <Krenair> leftist, iirc there's a community edition which is free
[23:28] <leftist> is the community edtion equivilant to the enterprise edition?
[23:28] <leftist> krenair?
[23:28] <Corey> There are differences.  Welcome to Oracle's world, really.
[23:28] <Corey> I'm sure they've got a features matrix.
[23:28] <Zanzacar> So any thoughts on how to make scripts universal throughout the terminal? Such as ls, cp, cd, are?
[23:28] <leftist> that is what i feared.
[23:28] <WinCamXP> Oracle: horrible company that's so desperate for money their live support costs freakin money
[23:28] <Corey> leftist: aptitude install mysql-server
[23:29] <leftist> ok
[23:29] <JoseeAntonioR> Hello! I have a problem. I was doing an installation of Ubuntu 11.10, which was supposed to replace Ubuntu 11.04. It hanged up in the middle, while it was copying files. First of all, I want to know if I will be able to recover my files. Also, is it secure to turn it off by pressing the button that is used to turn it on?
[23:29] <leftist> yeah corey
[23:29] <Corey> Or apt-get, either way.
[23:29] <DarsVaeda> where did the extended system settings go in 11.10?
[23:29] <WinCamXP> Josee: use a LiveCD to copy your files to a flash drive, and then reinstall from scratch
[23:30] <bailies> WinCamXP i added partners but i still don't see it
[23:30] <WinCamXP> bailies: it's sun-java-6 or something like that
[23:30] <JoseeAntonioR> WinCamXP I was using the LiveCD to install it on my PC, and it is still inside. Should I turn the PC off and take it off?
[23:30] <WinCamXP> Josee: just boot into the LiveCD environment instead of the HDD
[23:31] <WinCamXP> copy your files to a flash drive, and then format and try to install again
[23:31] <leftist> ok
[23:31] <WinCamXP> bailies: try googling "ubuntu sun java"
[23:31] <gribouille> oneiric doesn't work!!!
[23:32] <JoseeAntonioR> WinCamXP I think you misunderstood me. I was running ubiquity. Ubiquity was installing the system, and it just hanged up. I don't even know if it finished installing my files, or if I have an empty disk.
[23:32] <WinCamXP> Josee: I know you were installing from the LiveCD, however except while installing that barely looks at the HDD. Just boot back into the live environment and see if everything's there.
[23:32] <itaylor57> bailies, sudo apt-get update that will update your change
[23:33] <gribouille> I've just installed oneiric, but it doesn't work. X can't start, because it can't find the video drivers
[23:33] <JoseeAntonioR> WinCamXP And if there isn't anything, is there a way to recover the files?
[23:34] <bailies-> I'm trying to install sun java on ubuntu 11.10 64bit, i have multiverse and partners added to source list and i still can't find it, any help?
[23:34] <WinCamXP> Josee: almost certainly not, sorry if that happens.
[23:34] <Jimmio> Can anyone help me get my USB audio device working correctly? There's no input available as of Ubuntu 11.04.. 10.10 worked fine. I'm now in 11.10 and it's still not available. M-Audio Fast Track Pro.
[23:34] <JoseeAntonioR> WinCamXP Ok. I'll try.
[23:34] <Dalek`> what is newest LTS?
[23:35] <JoseeAntonioR> Dalek` 10.04
[23:35] <BarryT> 10.04
[23:35] <WinCamXP> bailies: here's the ubuntu support page, go to the Sun Java section
[23:35] <WinCamXP> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[23:35] <Dalek`> thnx JoseeAntonioR
[23:35] <JoseeAntonioR> Dalek` You're welcome.
[23:35] <Milena> in the new ubuntu 11.10,can i change that bar to the right,,the one with the apps shortcuts
[23:35] <BarryT> No
[23:35] <WinCamXP> Milena: it's actually the left...you should use GNOME anyway
[23:36] <gribouille> is there a file with a list of the installed drivers?
[23:36] <gribouille> is there a file with a list of the installed packages?
[23:36] <JoseeAntonioR> Booting from live CD to check if files are still there...
[23:36] <WinCamXP> gribouille: Software Center or Synaptic have package lists, driver list is probably a terminal command
[23:37] <zmbmartin> Do I need to install something to add songs to my ipod in 11.10?
[23:37] <JoseeAntonioR> gribouille AFAIK, you can run a command to check which devices are installed in your PC. Just open a terminal and type "lsfhw" without quotes.
[23:37] <zmbmartin> It shows in banshee but I can't drag and songs to it
[23:37] <prototrout> In Ubuntu 11.10 double-click-dragging with my touchpad is very hit-or-miss. I've enabled tap-to-click in the Mouse/Touchpad settings app. Also, 3-finger-tap to middle-click doesn't seem to work. Any suggestions for either of these?
[23:38] <Milena> WinCamXP :) is on the left,,but interfere some times for example i was going to see installed apps and when i wanted to expand the games applications it take me to libreoffice
[23:38] <mongo> dpkg -l wills how installed aps
[23:38] <WinCamXP> Milena: log out into the login screen and at the bottom, something should say "Unity". click it and switch it to "GNOME" and log back in.
[23:38] <simpleblue> does anyone else get the 'disappearing mouse' every now and then. the mouse is gone but you can hover over things still
[23:39] <JoseeAntonioR> Checking for files...
[23:39] <Milena> WinCamXP :) i catually like that bar,will it go if i choose GNOME
[23:40] <WinCamXP> Milena: well, that bar on the left will be gone with GNOME, but there's probably a launcher app that could replace it that works with GNOME
[23:40] <JoseeAntonioR> WinCamXP Still there :) Thanks for the advice :)
[23:40] <wonderworld> how can i add search and files to the unity launcher
[23:41] <WinCamXP> I find it de[ressing I am not a Linux pro by far, yet I can help so many people here... :\
[23:41] <prototrout> (To clarify on my question, dragging at all with tap-to-click on the touchpad works about half the time)
[23:41] <Stefanos_> hello everyone! I'm havin a bit of a problem while upgrading to 11.10? Coulc I pleas ehave some help?
[23:41] <WinCamXP> prototrout: even on Windows tap clicking is finnicky, use a cheap USB mouse if you have to.
[23:41] <JoseeAntonioR> Stefanos_ Just ask :)
[23:41] <prototrout> WinCamXP: This is specific to Ubuntu (or its default settings) - it works great in Windows, Fedora, Tiny Core, Arch, ...
[23:42] <johnjohn101> is ubuntu responsible for suspend/hibernate logic? or is this a kernel function?
[23:42] <Stefanos_> Ok.. I'm getting a message that sez:  "An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[23:42] <Stefanos_> E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[23:42] <Stefanos_> This can be caused by:
[23:42] <Stefanos_> * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[23:42] <Stefanos_> * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu
[23:42] <Stefanos_> * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[23:42] <FloodBot1> Stefanos_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:42] <WinCamXP> JoseeAntonioR: are your files there? Make sure to back them up to some external storage device if they are
[23:42] <JoseeAntonioR> WinCamXP They're there. I'll back up RIGHT NOW.
[23:42] <Milena> WinCamXP :) if i do what you suggest,,cahnges back can be made the same way ?
[23:42] <WinCamXP> Milena: yes, GNOME is better than Unity by far, but you can always switch back.
[23:43] <BlueProtoman> What's the difference between these two options; Guided: reuse partition, SCSI1 (0,0,0), partition #5 (sda)  and Guided: use entire partition, SCSI (0,0,0), partition #5 (sda)
[23:43] <BlueProtoman> Does "use entire partition" format it?
[23:43] <Milena> WinCamXP :) thanks
[23:43] <Stefanos_> I'm getting a  message that sez about a probllem while calculatin the upgrade
[23:43] <Stefanos_>  E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages
[23:43] <netbook> hi
[23:43] <JoseeAntonioR> netbook Hi!
[23:43] <netbook> I just broke offf with my girlfriend
[23:44] <cutiyar> i have a problem while upgrade
[23:44] <WinCamXP> Milena: But remember, that bar on the left isn't there and is replaced by something like a cross between the Mac menu at the top and a Start button...but like I said, a simple launcher app could replace it easily.
[23:44] <Stefanos_> this can be cause by:  *upgrading to a pre-release  *running the current pre-release version of ubuntu
[23:44] <Stefanos_> any ideas ?
[23:44] <Pici> netbook: I'm afraid we can't provide support for that here, but #ubuntu-offtopic exists.
[23:44] <Corey> !lts
[23:44] <johnjohn101> install ubuntu netbook. more reliable and friendly
[23:45] <Stefanos_> anyone ?
[23:45] <JoseeAntonioR> Hmm. Looks like I have a problem here. (process:222): Pango-WARNING **: failed to choose a font, expect ugly output. engine-type=' PangoRenderFC', script =' latin'
[23:46] <JoseeAntonioR> It gets stuck there, it won't boot.
[23:46] <torror_> anyone had success installing gimp 2.7.3 on 64bit oneiric
[23:46] <WinCamXP> Josee: are you trying to boot from the HDD even though it didn't finish installing?
[23:47] <JoseeAntonioR> WinCamXP Yes. I thought if finished although the graphic interface didn't work.
[23:47] <JoseeAntonioR> WinCamXP Should I turn it off?
[23:47] <WinCamXP> Josee: If your files are backed up, turn it off, reformat, and reinstall.
[23:48] <JoseeAntonioR> Ok. Thanks.
[23:48] <histo> torror_: is that the version in the repo?
[23:49] <histo> !info gimp | torror_
[23:49] <zmbmartin> Anyone who can tell me why I can not sync music to my ipod with banshee?
[23:49] <histo> torror_: you may want to join #gimp it's their issue now
[23:50] <LytesOfSpartra> hey  guys
[23:50] <LytesOfSpartra> I'm worried
[23:50] <LytesOfSpartra> why in the Ubuntu Software Center in 11.10 is there a pay feature?
[23:50] <torror_> histo: ok thanks
[23:50] <LytesOfSpartra> Is Ubuntu going to be pay?
[23:51] <z00mer> Hi, is it preferrable to have my main install drive "sda2" or "sda1"  ?   Does it matter ?
[23:51] <WinCamXP> Lytes: Ubuntu itself will always be free, that's just for paid software.
[23:51] <LytesOfSpartra> oh..
[23:51] <LytesOfSpartra> so will it ever not be free?
[23:51] <Pici> LytesOfSpartra: There is some commerical software that may be offered in the software centre
[23:51] <LytesOfSpartra> oh
[23:51] <Pici> LytesOfSpartra: No. Ubuntu will always be free.
[23:51] <LytesOfSpartra> but non of this software is backed by Cononcial?
[23:51] <WinCamXP> Lytes: The creators of Ubuntu have always said ubuntu will never, ever cost a penny/quid/whatever-your-lowest-amount-of-currency-is
[23:51] <LytesOfSpartra> oh
[23:51] <somethinginteres> Just installed Ubuntu 11.10 - the new Gwibber installs but it has the old skin (yellow background on messages etc). How do I change it to the new slick skin?
[23:52] <Pici> LytesOfSpartra: It will need to be vetted by canonical to appear in the software center, but it doesn't necessarily need to be backed by them.
[23:52] <histo> LytesOfSpartra: they sell support for enterprise users
[23:52] <LytesOfSpartra> oh
[23:52] <histo> LytesOfSpartra: this is free volunteer support here
[23:52] <LytesOfSpartra> I knw
[23:52] <LytesOfSpartra> How iS Fedora vs Ubuntu?
[23:53] <Milena> WinCamXP:) i dont have the gnome option on my login screen,,im on ubuntu 11.10
[23:53] <WinCamXP> I think Linus Torvalds uses Fedora
[23:53] <LytesOfSpartra> well iS fedora good/
[23:53] <LytesOfSpartra> I used it before and wine was stupid
[23:53] <WinCamXP> Milena: how much RAM/CPU does your computer have? KDE would be a nice choice if it can handle it
[23:53] <LytesOfSpartra> It always crashed
[23:53] <Pici> LytesOfSpartra: Thats not really on-topic for this support channel. #ubuntu-offtopic may interest you.
[23:54] <prototrout> Back with the same question as a minute ago. Also: /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/* and /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/* seem to be ignored. (At least, adding Options to 50-synaptics.conf did nothing.) Any idea why?
[23:55] <Wolfer1391> italian chan ?
[23:55] <Wolfer1391> help
[23:55] <Pici> !it | Wolfer1391
[23:56] <simpleblue> mouse freeze ups and qt creator version not stepup
[23:56] <simpleblue> this is not looking good
[23:57] <Moc> Except a few minor thing... I really don't see why gnome 3 isn't the main UI
[23:57] <simpleblue> me too Moc
[23:57] <lucas-arg> i like unity
[23:57] <neoteo> good morning
[23:58] <simpleblue> morning neoteo
[23:58] <simpleblue> i might try kubuntu
[23:59] <spikebike> hrm, 11.10 makes it harder to get rid of unity, suggestions?
[23:59] <Pici> !notunuty | spikebike
[23:59] <Pici> !notunity | spikebike
[23:59] <somsip> !nounity | spikebike