[00:28] hi === XubuntuKris is now known as inFamousKris === inFamousKris is now known as XubunutKris === XubunutKris is now known as inFamousKris [02:49] hi..can anyone recommend a good power management tool for xubuntu? since ubuntu lacks a good power management tool [03:14] Can anybody tell me where to get (or make me) an i386 alternate install CD for an 11.10 beta or candidate release? [03:14] Or suggest another method of doing an install on my laptop with an encrypted partition? I don't have a DVD burner available. [03:15] cjs: one moment [03:15] cjs: you could use usb? [03:16] Mmm...if I can find an unused one. [03:17] If I can use a USB drive without wiping out the existing ubuntu intstall on it, it's no problem at all. [03:21] cjs: either: find another usb || backup [03:21] Ok, let me look. Where would I download this USB image or whatever it is, and how large is it? [03:23] Ok, found a 160 GB drive. big enough? :-) [03:28] cjs: must be [03:28] cjs: should be ~670mb [03:28] Got it. Just need something to download. [03:29] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/11.10/beta-2/ [03:30] Oh! There's an alternate install CD there! I don't need a drive at all. [03:30] (HDD, I mean.) [03:30] just grab the daily image at [03:30] !daily [03:30] Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Xubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ [03:31] it has both desktop and alternate cds [03:31] I'm currently trying to get my ISP to mirror xubuntu, wish me luck [03:32] That would be great [03:32] Is it better to use the daily than beta-2? [03:32] yes, since the daily has most of the updates on it already [03:32] Or will it make no difference once I do an aptitude full-upgrade? [03:32] beta-2 has probably close to 400 MB of updates now [03:32] after doing the update, they are the same [03:33] Ah, thanks! [03:33] You are welcome [03:33] xubuntu > ubuntu [03:34] shame it's not in my isps ftp [03:34] fixing dat ;D [03:34] Is there a Japanese mirror of of xubuntu/daily/current? My bandwidth from that server is considerably slower than I get locally. [03:34] it depends on what you want. Ubuntu is much easier for those coming from Windows than Xubuntu is [03:34] (Taiwan or Korea would probably do the trick, too.) [03:35] cjs: no, sorry. However, if you wait 24 hours, we will release Xubuntu 11.10, and they will pick it up [03:35] We don't mirror the daily images anywhere. [03:35] Oh, wait, what is the difference between Ubuntu and XUbuntu? I was told in the #ubuntu channel, when asking about how to get a beta, to come here. [03:36] cjs: xubuntu is with xfce [03:36] Ubuntu uses Gnome3 and Unity, a Canonical written shell. [03:36] Xubuntu uses Xfce, and menus instead of launchers [03:36] almost everyone hates unity, I love xfce [03:37] Does XUbuntu include Gnome? I use fvwm2, but I run Gnome as my session manager. [03:37] no [03:37] (I thought the "x" meant "experimental" or something like that.) [03:37] Ubuntu includes Gnome. [03:37] !xubuntu [03:37] Xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of !GNOME. More info at http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop » - Join #xubuntu for support - See also: !Ubuntu and !Xubuntu-Channels [03:37] Aw, darn. I'm in the wrong place. Sorry guys. [03:37] no problem. [03:38] well your question benefitted me ;) daily build here i come [03:38] Ubuntu will also release a new Ubuntu 11.10 soon. Give it about 24 hours, and your local mirror will have it [03:38] Hm. Ok, sounds like it's easiest just to wait 'till tomorrow. [03:38] cjs: as i suggested ;D [03:38] over in #ubuntu [03:39] Will the "Live" CD allow me to do an install with my own partitioning? [03:39] s/CD/DVD/ [03:40] Could I boot that from an HDD? [03:40] yes, it will let you partition your own way [03:40] I don't know how to boot it from the hard drive [03:41] but you can grab the cd's from http://www.ubuntu.com/download when it releases [03:42] Oh, there's a daily build of the alternate install CD. So you guys did solve my problem after all. [03:42] yes, the daily build has both alternate install CD and Desktop CD [03:43] * charlie-tca is now going to bed [03:43] Good luck, cjs [03:43] Thanks. And thanks for all the help! [04:26] i tried to install xubuntu-desktop from oneiric, but i get a blank session when i try to login [04:31] hello? [04:32] <_Pete_> what is blank session? [04:33] nothing... no panels, menus, docks [04:33] i've tried the xubuntu profile and xfce profile [04:33] Did you select Xubuntu Session in the session manager? [04:34] <_Pete_> but you get login screen and then go to this blank session? [04:34] How did you "Install it from oneiric"? [04:34] yes [04:34] apt-get install xubuntu-desktop [04:35] From a mini install? [04:35] Unit193: just a regular install of ubuntu [04:37] I would assume you'd still get better support in #ubuntu+1 [05:32] anyone running final beta or alpha of 11.10 [05:33] is it less buggy then 11.04 [05:42] must dl it now! [05:43] when i can i download the release version of 11.10 [05:43] today some time [05:44] where i live it's the 13th . [05:44] ;d [05:45] im still running maverick because i didnt like my computer freezing all the time [06:00] could download the the late beta and just up date later [06:01] cbf [06:01] waiting for isp to mirror [06:01] they said they'd add xubuntu to ftp [06:25] hello everyone [06:29] ohai [07:02] what would be a suitable alternative for the windows media player for xubuntu?? parole just isnt working out for me [07:12] listen [07:13] vlc or gnome-mplayer [07:13] exaile [07:13] vlc [07:13] uofm49426: think longer and use less enter and you're more clear [07:15] parole is kind of a clone of gnome mplayer [07:17] is there media player that stores you music and videos like wmp [07:17] gmusicbrowser installed by default [07:17] I think all the gui ones have a recently used menu entry [07:17] or exaile in lucid, IIRC [07:17] parole, everytime i select my song list from my server, it opens a window for each and every song and crashes my box [07:19] use exile or listen to play music [07:19] i use gmusicbrowser but parole takes over and plays my music its weird [07:21] used parole ,vlc , or gnome-mplayer for movies video [07:22] williammw: you might want to check out banshee [07:25] miro is kind of a all in one program [07:26] it can play your music and is a good video player [07:27] it can also be used as bitorrent program [07:28] Heyas. My proc fan is running high, but running sensors yields *only* this. How should I check/control the fan? http://pastebin.com/tH6eYZBp [07:28] grr [07:28] My proc fan is running high, but sensors yields ONLY the above. Any ideas? [07:29] Sorry- text goof was blanking part for me. [07:29] seems it is not showing the fan speed there [07:29] did it ever? [07:29] i used banshee on my ubuntu box. and loved it. trying experiment with others and get second opinions. and i don't have bitorrent setup on my server just yet,still playing with it. still a lil new on linux [07:30] I just installed lm-sensors today, and it's a new build. No reference. [07:31] you ran sensors-detect? [07:31] Vermicelli: run (sudo) sensors-detect and ansver yes to everything and maybe reboot [07:31] I did. I "y"-ed everything. [07:31] Haven't rebooted though. [07:41] Okay, that's scary. Just rebooted, and changed in bios the target fan speed from 9 to 6. http://pastebin.com/N4Una0wj [07:43] To my untrained eye, some of that looks worrying. [07:47] line 18 says the min speed for the fan is 15000+ [07:47] I don't think it's reading right [07:48] The fan was slower after setting the target to 6 (whatever that means), but also now it just dropped to a normalish tone. [08:05] Oof. I installed 11.10 on hd1, and it installed no boot loader on hd1 but instead wiped out my boot loader on hd0. [08:29] ok banshee works, i just can't queue over 2000+ songs from my server so i will play all my songs all day, least i can play a whole album with out opening 25 seperate windows and crashing my box. [09:27] quit [09:53] i am trying to install xubuntu on to lenovo s10-2 and gui installation wizard bottom is cropped belong to screen resolution, what can i do to look installation progress? [09:59] hi all [10:00] guys can someone remember me how cai I hide disk parition icon on Desktop? [10:00] can* [10:01] xubuntu333, alt+drag with mouse [10:01] filo1234, right-click -> desktop settings -> tab icons [10:02] knome: thanks a lot :-/ [10:02] sorry for stupid question [10:02] np [10:02] thank you [12:53] heyho, does anybody know when 11.10 is released? [12:54] today is said [12:54] !isitout [12:54] Nope! Ubuntu 11.10 is scheduled for release sometime on October 13th. You can party in #ubuntu-release-party while you're waiting! [12:55] October 13, before the end of the day, according to UTC/GMT [12:55] which still has about 11 hours [12:55] yeah, that i did know, but i thought at the day of the release somebody would know something specific, so i dont have to look every h or so [12:56] i hope its released before i go to bed ^^ [12:57] yeah but thanks anyway [12:57] Once it is released, it won't change any more. Servers will be so busy, it is slow to download. Sometimes it is even better to wait a day to grab it [12:59] hmm yeah i didnt think of... [13:00] if it's released at the end of the day, "my day" is over, and i cant try it out [13:00] as long as i can install it at the weekend [13:01] i tested the betas live, and i am not a pro, but i think if there were no compatibility issues, the release will run [13:35] hmm, !ismyispmirroringxubuntuyet [13:35] hehe [13:37] It is released [13:37] mmmm baited [13:37] !isitout [13:37] Yes! Ubuntu 11.10 is out! Downloads at http://goo.gl/Ov56R or http://torrent.ubuntu.com/ [13:38] Xubuntu 11.10 has been officially released. Please see http://xubuntu.org/get for downloading [13:38] omfg [13:38] you wern't baiting \o/ [13:38] I don't ever do that [13:38] !topic [13:38] Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic [13:39] Xubuntu 11.10 will be out on October 13th. Once it's out, it's downloadable at http://xubuntu.org/get [13:39] update ;) [13:43] I am working on it === ChanServ changed the topic of #xubuntu to: Official Xubuntu Support Channel | Xubuntu 11.10 is out! Please get it from http://xubuntu.org/get | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu.com | Need help and no one around? Get in on the mailing lists at http://lists.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-users | Offtopic: #xubuntu-offtopic [14:02] is there a changelog to show what was changed between 11.04 and 11.10? [14:03] maybe if I try: [14:03] !changelog [14:03] changelogs for Ubuntu packages can be found on http://changelogs.ubuntu.com [14:03] ha. thanks ubottu [14:03] (yes, I know I'm talking to a bot) [14:03] ubottu: thanks [14:03] You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-) [14:04] lol [14:09] ubottu: thx [14:09] You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-) [14:09] ;D [14:39] Guys, I'd like to download it with bittorrent, but Transmission won't install, - which other bittorrent client is good? [14:41] levar6: Do you mean that Transmission itself won't install on you machine or the iso DL'd viar machine? Transmission won't install on you [14:42] * ElderDryas needs more tea :( [14:42] levar6: Do you mean that Transmission itself won't install on your machine or the iso DL'd via machine? Transmission won't install on your machine? [14:42] i want to re-install Transmission (i deinstalled it) , to download xubuntu [14:43] So, i'll try another bittorrent client .. any suggestions? [14:45] levar6: http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/01/top-5-bit-torrent-clients-for-ubuntu.html [14:46] And it took me about 8 minutes to DL the iso this morning, on release day this is great :) [14:49] But I wonder why Transmission wouldn't (re-)install? [14:50] damn...Dennis Ritchie died :( [14:52] yeah :( [14:53] Transmission wants to install an extra package that Natty doesn't trust .. still i'm clicking it in the softw. center [14:53] Installing Opera now, bit big for only a torrent, but at least i trust it :) [15:11] Good morning/afternoon/night people. [15:20] hi chaoticgeek [15:39] hey guys, trying to download xubuntu amd 64 oneiric iso gives me a permission denied. [15:40] at the ubuntu.com mirror [15:40] i'm using torrent now which works [15:52] is there anything wrong with having a hdd on it's side? [16:07] ryannathans: no, unless it's on the path of 10G acceleration ;) [16:08] hehe [16:08] how close is 'too close' when it's hdd vs psu [16:09] ryannathans: I wouldn't put a hdd on top of a psu [16:09] ryannathans: the magnetic fields from the smps coils might affect it [16:09] i know [16:10] i want to know how far is too far ;) [16:10] close* [16:11] ryannathans: don't know. you can try to run badblocks continuously and test it and write a nice public report on it [16:11] test it=different distances [16:12] hmm [16:12] i thinking about it [16:13] i'm designing a case [16:13] <3 xubuntu branding [16:14] ryannathans: check the mini atx boxes, although most use 12V external power supply [16:14] it's currently in the CAD room ;D [16:14] well, gotta go. take care [16:14] sweet thanks [16:32] Hi. I have a problem with mounting ebook. Sometimes when mounted it gets the name 55.. some other digits and letters, which is fine. But sometimes it gets the name consisting of one unprintable symbol, which causes the problems with copying files to it using mc. What could cause this? === ryannathans is now known as ryannathansSLEEP [18:30] can anyone help me with xubuntu 11.10 ? I cant add another keyboard input method. It's all gray .. i dont know why [18:33] Are dist-upgrades from 11.04 available yet? [18:33] :D [18:33] Hey guys! Great job on xubuntu 11.10, I just installed it on my macbook! Thanks!! [18:35] how can i add keyboard layouts on xubuntu 11.10 ? [18:35] i need some help :D [18:37] Menu -> Settings -> Settings Manager Keyboard -> "Layout" tab [18:38] Does that help? [18:38] AlexFromBelgium, patience is a virtue that many don't have, he already qui [18:38] t [18:38] oh... [18:39] Btw I'm decided to use xubuntu full time. I'm an IT student. Doing webdev among others. And I just installed xubuntu as my main os [18:40] Anyone know how to get auto complete in terminal? [18:40] AlexFromBelgium, hit the tab key [18:41] And copy paste the text he gives? [18:42] The auto complete is on another line. Not where I'm typing. Kind of useless. [18:42] AlexFromBelgium, oh, I see what you mean :P [18:43] I've just learned to live with that or type more characters [18:43] you might want to try an alternate shell like zsh [18:43] (apt-get install zsh; zsh) [18:43] Is it because of bash? I thought it would be the xfce terminal [18:43] no...it might even be possible to enable that in bash, check the documentation [18:44] i've just never looked into it :( [18:44] K. I'll let you know if I find it! [18:44] thanks, i'd be interested to know :D [18:45] Btw any suggestions on how to get xubuntu to work better on my macbook? I tried the mactel ppa, but doesn't work for oneiric yet [18:46] AlexFromBelgium, define "better" [18:47] also, oneiric was literally released hours ago, i'm sure whatever ppa you're talking about [if it's a popular one] will be updated soon [18:47] Yh... I'll just wait. No problemo. [18:48] I wonder if there is a setting to disable mouse click when I 'tap' the trackpad in xfce? [18:48] I've looked but can't find anything. [18:51] AlexFromBelgium: Do you want to just disable the tap or the touchpad altogether if a USB mouse is used? [18:52] I want it only to register a mouse click whenSynaptic I actually 'Click' the mouse and not when I 'tap' on the trackpad [18:52] See I just made a typing mistake cause of it. :p [18:55] AlexFromBelgium: It's for Arch, but it ought to help https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics [18:56] Checking it out... [18:57] or maybe http://firestarter1987.posterous.com/how-to-enable-tap-to-click-on-xfce make the 1 a 0 [18:58] I already have that driver btw. [19:02] Rebooting... Brb. [19:03] update servers are at a standstill [19:04] Yay! It worked. Thanks ElderDryas. [19:05] I added: Option "TapButton1" "0" and rebooted [19:06] God, I love linux. [19:07] You can do almost anything in Linux...IF you can figure out how :) [19:07] last night I figured out how to screw xubuntu by installing the nvidia-96 driver [19:08] I'm going to make a blog soon and post ever little thing like this on there. So people can find it. [19:08] so I reinstalled, only to have 11.10 come out today [19:08] unorthodoxme: That's easy :) [19:08] how do you do the red chat at someone? [19:09] Oh getting it on was a headache at first. This is old toshiba from 2003 [19:09] unorthodoxme: Use the persons nick to begin the remark...usually the first few leters then will complete it [19:10] ElderDryas, like this? [19:10] unorthodoxme: I mean the "screw" part [19:10] unorthodoxme: yes [19:10] ElderDryas, LOL [19:11] ElderDryas, I was so excited to finally get the driver on without the error on synaptic. [19:11] ElderDryas, than when i rebooted the screen stood black. [19:12] I tried editing the driver name in nano but it was no go [19:12] unorthodoxme: In my experience, that means the xorg.conf is not correct for your machine. Don't ask me how to fix it, I choose my hardware so I don't have to... :) [19:13] ElderDryas, Yeah. I found that out the hard way. [19:13] ElderDryas, Or rather, the long way. [19:13] So did I, many time....finally I dummied up and the nect time I bought hardware I did some research first [19:14] Saving USD5.00 == 5 hours of work :( [19:14] I'm building a new tower soon and I'm definitely going to make it a dual boot. [19:15] unorthodoxme: Windows/Linux? [19:15] Win 7 & xubuntu? [19:15] ElderDryas, yup [19:16] unorthodoxme: Install windows first, it will save you many headaches [19:16] ElderDryas, Most definitely [19:16] Netflix and games are the only thing keeping me on windows [19:17] almost a 3 hour update [19:18] I hear netflix is comming out with a native Linux app, but I'll believe that when I see it...which I won't because I don't use netflix [19:18] ElderDryas, I really hope that's true. [19:18] Need a new comp ready for star wars:TOR [19:19] I hope it is true. I will actually pay for netflix then. [19:19] unorthodoxme: using the dist-upgrade IS slow...using torrent to grab the ISO to me about 9 minutes :) [19:19] ElderDryas, Ah damn [19:19] ElderDryas, I wasn't too bothered with the time when I thought it would take an hour. I was not in any rush. [19:20] ElderDryas, But this is taking way longer [19:20] And depending on how much you modified the stock Xubuntu, add that time to reconfigure...Still, for me, it would be less than an hour total :) [19:20] it goes from 20kbs to maybe 50kbs and everyonce in a while it goes around 100kbs [19:20] Btw about my earlier question about the terminal. I'm liking the way auto complete works actually. I didn't really get it before. Now I do :) [19:21] I'm just leaving it like it is [19:21] I'm not sure I really modified stock xubuntu much, get eclipse, keepass, and maybe a dozen other apps. [19:21] Well since I reinstalled it I don't have to worry about anything [19:22] resource wise it's the same right? [19:22] I should grab the iso now though and start that though. After I'm done working for the day I was going to upgrade. [19:23] If you do it the slow way it'll be done by the time you go to work tomorrow. [19:24] The sad part it I swapped the wifi for a cat cable just to speed things up. [19:24] Lot of good that did [19:24] I use a SWAP and / and /home partitons...wipe all the config files/folders (having backed the ones I want to save up first), format the / partiton, do NOT format the /home...re-install, and drop the backed config files/folders in the right places...and voila! [19:24] woah [19:24] thats level 2 stuff [19:24] i'm still a newbie [19:25] no, that lazy stuff [19:25] I made a separate /home partition today. Hope that will save me some headaches in the future. [19:25] AlexFromBelgium: It should...no more reinstalling 50 gigs of music :) [19:25] how does that save you time for upgrading? [19:25] oh [19:26] I didn't take into account on all the stored data [19:26] And when you backup the config files (hidden files) you get to keep your settings [19:26] no one does...and it's the data that's really important (to me at least) [19:27] When I first was going around trying different linux distros a while ago I found out really fast to seperate /home from my / to save me so many headaches. [19:27] AlexFromBelgium: Yup, the ones that need to kept...xchat,calibre, etc. Most of the configs are not that important to save [19:28] But the ones you ALWAYS change on re-install... [19:28] speak for yourself ElderDryas, i've migrated my current .mozilla over through 3 years of ubuntu releases :P [19:28] woah [19:28] Oh, I forgot .mozilla...yeah, save THAT one [19:28] won't that be saved in your home directory? [19:29] yes [19:29] ~/.mozilla, ~/.irssi, etc [19:29] 10 files left 5 minutes remaining [19:29] press ctrl+H in thunar to see all of them :) [19:29] I thought it was. or ls -a [19:30] Btw guys. I love the fuzzy clock! It now tells me: "half past nine" [19:31] chaoticgeek: yes, but see above, I wipe the config files/folders...some times they change things in the config (or I've really messd them up) [19:31] I've really messed up things too much, I know what you mean. [19:32] fuzzy clock? [19:32] oh nvm I see it [19:33] "Fuzziness" level is funny as hell :D [19:33] lol I was about to post the same thing [19:33] chaoticgeek: and if you are trying/changing distros, sometimes their internal configs are differnt [19:33] see Xubuntu vs LMDE-XFCE [19:34] Yes, but I've stayed with ubuntu since it came out, xubntu since I can remember now. [19:34] finally it's installing! [19:35] oh so it finally came out [19:35] Does xchat get updated? [19:35] When Ubuntu 11.04 came out, I started looking for a replacement...looked all almost all of the top half of the Distrowatch list [19:35] Wow... I've been using ubuntu since my junior year of Highschool. Now I'm in college. [19:35] unorthodoxme: why? it's perfect :) [19:35] I was going to try lubuntu crunchbang [19:36] chaoticgeek: so...what...2 or 3 years? :) [19:36] ElderDryas, Just in case I have to get off of it [19:36] ElderDryas, I don't want anything to screw this up [19:36] Is there a way to raise the max volume? [19:36] my ssh key no longer gets unlocked when i log in (with lightdm), can anyone help me? [19:36] unorthodoxme: oh, I see...dunno [19:36] AlexFromBelgium: of what? [19:37] Of xubuntu? [19:37] like the overall maximum [19:37] looks like the install will take about an hour [19:37] How is 11.10 ? Is it pretty stable ? Or should I just install the LTS ? [19:37] volume sucks for me [19:37] I have a volume wheel [19:37] I think I've used xubuntu since 7.04 or 7.10... I've got a cousin that was born after ubuntu's first release. [19:38] chaoticgeek, nice. Respect. [19:38] :) [19:38] I feel old now. [19:38] You should. Lol. [19:38] unorthodoxme: raising the volume in the sound/indicator doesn't work? [19:38] I'm only 24 AlexFromBelgium [19:38] Kids! :) [19:39] Name141: It's been stable for me (YMMV) [19:40] Won't remember my bluetooth being off. [19:40] ElderDryas: Alright. I'm thinking of the LTS cause I'm just trying to get rid of XP. And don't want to be bothered with 'super updates' that might 'break' the install. (Distro -> distro updates) [19:40] uh oh bbl [19:41] Name, the LTS is 10.04...old but stable (now)...the next release (12.04) will be an LTS, so you'll probably update then anyway. [19:41] oh. I see [19:42] Name141: You pays your money and takes your chances :) [19:42] ElderDryas: I just know I hate me some Unity. [19:42] * ElderDryas has heard that a lot in the last six months [19:43] Aaaah I just made my volume way better. Now perfect. But it's ok. In sound settings, under the alsa mixer, the front speaker volume was way down [19:43] I tried Unity, I find it ok, but I still like my old desktop style, resizing windows and all. [19:44] Not perfect* [19:44] Unity is pretty well done (some rough spots), but it's not for me [19:45] I think it would be ok for me on a sort of Chromebook style of computer that I would not be doing any serious programming on. But my desktop and my laptop I don't think I could use it. [19:45] chaoticgeek: d'accord [19:46] ElderDryas, merci [19:46] or as the sci-fi book said "sweedak" [19:46] What book? Your name is a book? [19:47] no...je suis d'accord +> sweedak [19:47] Vous etes francais? [19:47] No. [19:47] K :p [19:48] mio? non [19:48] Took french in highschool, attempting to learn it again though. [19:48] Good. I'm dutch, but I listen to french radio all the time. To train my french skillz [19:48] see, I even make types in foreign (for me) languages [19:49] AlexFromBelgium: as if we couldn't tell from your nick :) [19:49] opps...dog want attention...laters [19:49] If you know Belgium, yes. But not many people do :p [19:50] must be those ignorant Merkins :) [19:56]