[02:01] * hyperair grumbles at smspillaz. there's no way to disable alt-grave! [03:53] smspillaz: [03:53] oops [03:53] smspillaz: http://paste.debian.net/136355/ [03:55] hyperair: wouldn't it be better to make KeyboardUtil::findKeyAboveTab return nothing ? [03:56] smspillaz: why so? [03:56] because you might want to bind another key to 'next window' and that patch focibly disables the next window callback [03:57] or .. better yet, have an option like "next window override" which allows you to specify your own key [03:57] no, it only forcibly disables alt+grave [03:57] the alt+left/right still work [03:57] in fact, successive alt+graves don't work. [03:57] right, but what if the user wants to *not* use alt-keyabovetab but alt-somethingelse [03:57] the only thing alt+grave does for me is bring up the switcher, and stay there [03:58] smspillaz: right, so we should have a customizable keybinding [03:58] instead of alt+keyabovetab [03:58] but defaulting to alt+keyabovetab? [03:58] how do we do that? [03:58] easy [03:58] ? [03:59] you add an option for "Next Window", and if the keybinding is not "None" you use that instead of detecting the key above tab [03:59] and what if it is None? [04:00] what if i want to disable the keybinding? [04:00] and seriously, why does unity get so many hardcoded crap keybindings? [04:00] in natty the super key was working erratically [04:01] all my *other* super-keybindings stopped functioning [04:13] hyperair: the super key should be working again, unfortunately passive key grabs with X are a bit of a nightmare [04:13] (and distro wouldn't let me push my fix into natty :() [04:13] heh oh well [04:15] hyperair: I have a patch which allows you to change "detected" key to "something else" but unfortunately not to "nothing" [04:15] the compiz keybindings system doesn't really provide a way to do "detect a key", though maybe this should be moved int ocore [04:15] what do you mean "detect a key"? [04:17] as in, in the metadata to have a tag that says "key above, left of, right of, below X" [06:07] didrocks: morning :) [06:07] hey smspillaz === API is now known as Guest46782 === Guest46782 is now known as apinheiro [08:40] Saviq: hi, I'm a bit confused by https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity-2d/bugfix/+merge/79287 [08:40] Ubuntu bug 79287 in Ubuntu "Bug in bug #1, ubuntu does contain nonfree software" [Undecided,Invalid] [08:41] Saviq: should I review it? Did you do the rebase yourself to help rento? [08:41] *Renato [08:41] mardy: yes, I did rebase [08:42] well, I had to uncommit and commit again, 'cause his `bzr merge` messed things up [08:42] :-) [08:42] mardy: buy anyway I'd wait for him before reviewing again [08:42] *but [08:42] 'cause I'm not sure if he still wants to work on my race issue or not [08:43] (possible race issue) [08:45] he's on brazillian time, so won't be here until 12pm UTC or so [09:06] Hi I unstalled Ubuntu 11.10 and I can't start in Gnome [09:06] How can I delete Unity and have Gnome instead? [09:28] Bacta: install "gnome-shell" to get gnome3 [09:40] Will this mean I can start Ubuntu without Unity? [09:45] Bacta: yes, at the log in screen, click the settings cog, and you can select a different desktop [09:46] cool [09:47] Bacta: Any particular reason why you dislike Unity? [09:53] Can't move it from the left [09:53] My menu items are no longer docked to the top of my app [09:53] They're minor gripes but Ubuntu is meant to be about choice [09:57] Bacta: Fair enough. Though I had to admit, I got used to the new workflow and quite like it. === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [12:56] Hallo everyone. I was wondering about a lens that would allow people to start up chats in empathy, is something like available from somewhere or being worked on? I found the development blogs af Seif Lofty from a year back but was unable to conclude how far the work is. [12:58] sorry, _Lotfy_, and I see that he is actually here === zyga is now known as zyga-afk [13:40] hay guys, my unity-2d panel spontaneously disappeared and won't come back, can anyone give me a clue what to look for to get back to a working desktop? [14:10] gord, Hi! there is a regression in the 4.24 release see the screenshot http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=178963 [14:10] they were supposed to be 4 icons in a row now they are three for desktop dash mode [14:21] JohnLea, te gusta? http://people.ubuntu.com/~andyrock/Selection_005.png [14:21] it's a WIP... [14:21] not a mockup [14:25] andyrock, I'll pay you a lot of money if you make it pick colours from the theme ,or at least the ubuntu brand colours (for the monitors) :) === zyga-afk is now known as zyga [14:28] njpatel, should we pick colours from the theme just for the panel or for the wallpaper too? [14:29] andyrock, I meant the wallpaper area, like instead of pale orange/yellow, it could be something from the theme, so at least it matches [14:32] andyrock; cool! I take it you have seen https://launchpadlibrarian.net/82534397/system_settings_10_08_11_03.png [14:32] (attached to bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/742544 ) [14:32] Ubuntu bug 742544 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Launcher is shown on the wrong screen in some multi-monitor setups" [High,Confirmed] [14:34] njpatel, i think that the colours are used to distinguish the various monitors [14:35] andyrock, right, but they could be chosen from a pallete that at least looks nice, right? anywya, I don't mean to derail the work, sorry :) [14:37] njpatel, indeed... current colors are weird :) [14:37] JohnLea, thanks for the link... I could no longer find it [14:38] JohnLea, in the mockup there is no clock in the scaled panel [14:38] should I remove it? [14:39] andyrock; yes, thx [14:40] JohnLea, yw ;) It will be ready in a week... I've to study :/ [14:41] njpatel, I will try to use the wallpaper to draw the background [14:41] njpatel, can I use libunity to know if unity is running? [14:41] andyrock, yep, I believe so [14:42] njpatel, thx [14:43] andyrock; if you could make the background dynamically use the current wallpaper that would be awesome! [14:45] JohnLea, should not be so difficult... :) We should change launcher and panel color according to wallpaper main color [14:47] i mean if the wallpaper main colour is white we can use black as launcher bg color [14:47] etc... === JanC_ is now known as JanC [15:16] om26er, do you have a multi-head setup? :) [15:17] i'm not at home and i will not able to use my multi head setup until Christmas [15:17] om26er, so i need a tester ;) [15:17] andyrock, wish i had, thats y i dont triage multi-monitor [15:18] maybe one day I will be provided with one :p [15:18] om26er, you broke my heart :) [15:18] htorque, and you? [15:19] andyrock, funny someone broke mine today :( [15:20] om26er, oh i'm sorry [15:21] andyrock, np ;-) [15:29] andyrock: i can hook up my notebook to my pc monitor if you need someone to test something :-) [15:31] htorque_, great... :) i will ping you (not today) [15:31] thx [15:31] yw :-) [15:59] how do I switch between multiple chrome windwos in unity / [15:59] ? [16:04] Trevinho, hi [17:26] hi TLE [17:26] sorry was napping === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [18:41] Hi , I have insalled ubuntu 11.10 and o configure uniy installed compiz, I am not sure what I did, Now luancher is not comming and also I am not able to edit panes [18:41] neo84, panes? [18:42] I mean, where we get start button and all [18:42] does the panel show up? [18:42] (under unity, the scope of editing is currently quite limited) [18:42] yes, but it just have file, bookmark go and places [18:42] ah, okay [18:42] that's nautilus [18:42] I don't get systetm [18:42] from where I can run programs [18:44] any idea how to fix [18:45] I don't know if there's an official/better answer, but if you delete ~/.config/compiz-1 and/or ~/.gconf/apps/compiz-1 and restart, the relevant things should get reconfigured and will work [18:45] (note that the first login after that might take a bit longer) [18:45] ok [18:45] got it [18:45] let me test [18:45] there's a whole whack of bugs in that area, some of which have been fixed, some of which... haven't :p [18:45] speaking of which [18:45] * cwillu pokes smspillaz with a stick [18:47] smspillaz, if I say that I'm getting synchronous window moves even with -proposed, are you likely to run away screaming? [18:47] in gconf/apps path i can see comizeonfig instead of copize-1 [18:47] not that one [18:47] should I delete that as wel [18:47] no [18:47] ok [18:48] got it restarting box [18:48] technically, logging out and back in would suffice, or really, even just running "DISPLAY=:0 compiz --replace" from a vterm would have sufficed [18:48] but you didn't see that, because you restarted the box I guess :p [18:49] :D [18:50] bug #874514 [18:50] Launchpad bug 874514 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Nothing on screen updates other than cursor when moving window" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/874514 [18:53] Hi cwillu: that didn't worked [18:54] neo84, you're on the computer right now? [18:54] (i.e., chatting from it?) [18:54] yes, [18:54] cwillu: hm, after a while my windows start to lag behind the cursor when moving - you think that's connected? (also running -proposed compiz) i first thought that's connected to a similar snap plugin bug, but it happens with that disabled too. :( [18:55] htorque_, sec [18:55] but I logged in gnome session [18:55] oh, not the ubuntu session? [18:55] no idea then, sorry [18:55] no in ubuntu session, I can't do anything. Alt t2 is not working [18:55] alt t2? [18:56] and there's no way to kick terminal or any appliation [18:56] oh, f2 [18:56] neo84, do you know how to log into a vterm? [18:56] no [18:56] ctrl-alt-f7 will get you back to your current session [18:56] ok [18:56] ctrl-alt-f1 will take you to a text-only screen [18:56] where you can log in with your usual username and such [18:57] what I want you to do (write this down, you won't be able to refer to the screen) is: [18:57] ok [18:57] sure pleas go ahead [18:58] (sec) [18:58] sure [18:59] (1) log into a vterm (2: will kill the graphical session) sudo stop lightdm (3) rm -rf ~/.gconf/apps/compiz-1 ~/.config/compiz-1 ~/.local/share/compiz-1 (4: will take you to the graphical login screen) sudo start lightdm (5) log into the ubuntu session [18:59] vterm is etxt only one , correct [19:00] yes [19:00] (well, technically not really, but anyway :p) [19:01] ok [19:01] cwillu: wouldn't "DISPLAY=:0 unity --reset" be simpler? :-) [19:02] htorque, perhaps, although that's failed half a dozen times for me in the last week :p [19:04] another thing to check: are users really running unity or are they running unity 2d instead (there were already a couple of invalid bug reports on launchpad). easiest way to check: only unity's panel has a shadow. [19:04] like "compiz settings don't work" [19:05] htorque, difficult when neither unity nor unity-2d is actually running :p [19:06] true that [19:09] neo84, note, be careful with rm; a typo can easily delete your entire home directory :p [19:09] oh, god damnit [19:09] we'll see if we'll see him again :D [19:09] ah well, it's not likely that he'd stick a random space between ~ and / ;p [19:13] cwillu: now when I am loading ubuntu session, it says unable to load ubuntu logou :( [19:14] sorry? [19:14] please give precise messages, with as few typos as possible :p [19:14] sure [19:15] i guess that's the dialog when loading a missing session (unity → "ubuntu") [19:15] it says , unable to load Ubuntu and log out button comes [19:17] how to fix it [19:17] neo84, I'm pretty sure you did something more than what I said :p [19:17] either from the gnome session, or when logged in from the terminal :/ [19:17] from a command line (ctrl-alt-f1, log in), can you do "apt-cache policy gnome-session" [19:17] does it say anything other that "none" behind "Installed:"? [19:18] *than [19:18] how to login via gnome session ? [19:19] no, from the vterm like you did before (using ctrl-alt-f1) [19:19] ok [19:20] then type: apt-cache policy gnome-session [19:21] does that say "Installed: 3.2.0-0ubuntu3"? [19:22] hm :-/ [19:22] heh: bug #861710 and bug #862162 [19:22] Launchpad bug 861710 in linux (Ubuntu) "[regression] smspillaz fails to sleep at proper hours, despite solar status" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861710 [19:22] Launchpad bug 862162 in unity (Ubuntu) "DBO does not go to sleep when I ask him to" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862162 [19:23] I should totally mark my bug as fix released [19:23] I have been sleeping like a pimp [19:23] well deserved ;) [19:25] DBO, I'll take advantage of your unwise revealing of your monitoring of this channel, to ask if you know anything about lazy positioning? [19:25] I dont even know what that is [19:25] unless you mean in compiz [19:25] yes [19:25] then yes [19:26] I know all about lazy positioning [19:26] >:) [19:26] its lazy [19:26] and positions [19:26] DBO, more than you want to? [19:26] but only when it feels like it [19:26] ah yes, then you're qualified :) [19:26] much like yourself? [19:26] bregma, not half as lazy as myself [19:26] that's a bug then [19:27] DBO, I got the sense from the patches that landed in -proposed that this should've been mostly fixed there [19:27] ever sleep in a chair because getting up for bed was just harder? [19:27] DBO, yes. [19:27] cwillu, whats broken exacry? [19:28] I only get synchronous moves, except in a few short-lived cases [19:29] cwillu, amd hardware? [19:29] intel [19:29] pineview [19:29] intel needs to stop naming their hardware after elementary schools [19:29] and if you say anything about sync to vrefresh, I might strangle you :p [19:30] DBO, it's i915 hardware [19:30] cwillu, my guess is god hates you right now [19:30] and he is a wrathful god [19:30] DBO, fine, but intel is fine right now :p [19:31] DBO, if the unityshell compiz plugin isn't running, compiz has no problems :) [19:31] ahhhh hmmm [19:31] thats interesting isn't it [19:31] DBO, somewhat [19:31] so its slow dragging windows around? [19:31] yes [19:31] specifically, it doesn't update if the mouse moves more than ~20 pixels per second or so [19:32] (where "it" means "everything but the mouse cursor") [19:32] so if I move windows really really slowly, they move somewhat ok [19:32] interesting [19:32] you going to be at UDS? [19:33] more interesting: if a window opens up in the middle of the screen (or not touching an edge), it moves fluidly [19:33] until it touches an edge, or I alt-tab to it, or so forth [19:33] DBO, I keep telling myself that I love my job too much to take one that pays enough to allow me to do such things as "go to conferences" :p [19:34] mail me your laptop [19:34] then I can finally reproduce the problem and fix it :P [19:34] want ssh? :p [19:35] (noteworthy, before -proposed, compiz in a shell gave a swath of that "you should probably report this" bug; now it only gives a couple when the session first starts [19:36] if I had to guess, I'd say that m->mLocked is never being released, although I'm not sure that that's even done the same way in the patches [19:38] Hello [19:39] cwillu, I have an intel machine being upgraded now [19:39] in an effort to reproduce this issue [19:40] After I am upgrade to 11.10 I get this error message "Booting system without full network configuration" [19:41] 1] move all /var/run -> /run and /var/lock -> /run/lock 2] delete /var/run and /var/lock 3] link /run -> /var/run and /run/lock -> /var/lock 4] delete /run/dbus/* 5] restart [19:41] Splief, you probably want to ask in #ubuntu [19:42] DBO, probably worth noting a few things that _didn't_ work: various pokings at intel x driver options, every permutation of relevant workarounds settings, disabling sync to vrefresh in no less than 4 distinct places, tweaking/disabling mouse-polling settings (long shot :p) [19:42] yes [19:42] I am wrong here? [19:43] DBO, also of note, simply defeating the lock test in the move plugin changed the behaviour, but didn't fix it (obviously :p) [19:44] k [19:44] Splief: yes. either type '/join #ubuntu' to get into a room with 1700 users or you can also ask your question at askubuntu.com [19:44] hmpf [19:46] DBO, hmm, that's interesting: just did compiz --replace in a terminal; at that point, the terminal window was fluidly movable, but simply shifting focus to another window and back restored the clumpy behaviour [19:46] no errors compiz stdout at all [19:47] (actually, there's "/usr/bin/compiz (expo) - Warn: failed to bind image to texture" during the initial loading, that's it) [19:47] cwillu, without a local ability to reproduce the issue [19:47] I cant possibly fix it [19:47] I will continue to stream useless information at you anyway :p [19:47] otherwise you might get the impression that it's not bugging me anymore :p [19:48] also, given some guidance on how it's supposed to work in the first place, I might be able to fix it myself [19:48] although I still haven't figured out how to go from a bzr checkout to a dpkg-buildpackage'able tree [20:13] seif: hey, I've been afk [20:17] As I mentioned earlier, I was wondering about what the status is of the people lens work you did a while back [20:18] is there a tutorial for newbies ? [20:19] not quite comformatble with it .. may be some tutorial will help [20:19] comfortable* [20:20] axisys: Maybe can help you getting started? [20:21] sense: i remember there was a cheat sheet for unity.. can't find it [20:21] Neither can I, unfortunately. [20:21] i think someone provided it in answers.ubuntu.com or somewhere like tere [20:22] back then I decided to swithc to classic.. but this time I like to stick to it for a little longer.. [20:22] i mean during natty [20:23] axisys: Ah, you don't mean development but usage? [20:23] sense: right [20:23] In that case all I can advise is looking further at AskUbuntu. [20:23] sense: what is quickly ? next gen unity ? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [20:24] http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/2010/09/16/Getting_Started_With_Quickly_Part_1 [20:24] axisys: Quickly is a (command line) tool for quickly creating a new Ubuntu application and developing it. [20:24] sense: :-) [20:24] i am in the wrong place then.. [20:24] let me check askubuntu [20:24] ok! [20:25] axisys: The general support IRC channel is #ubuntu if you have further questions. :) [20:25] i wodner if unity made it little slower? [20:25] i find natty was faster in response time [20:25] i have 8G mem in my laptopr [20:26] laptop* [20:26] is it possible unity needs *lot* more resource? [20:26] so long as you have enough memory, more memory has little effect on response time [20:26] be more specific on "response time" though [20:27] i click on a tab on chrome and I see "new tab" declaration and then the tab gets created .. odd [20:28] it is possible that rsync within folders slowing it down [20:29] i just started with oneric today.. so I dont have enough data to conclude to my observation [20:29] I'm not sure. But couldn't it be an issue with Chrome itself? [20:29] sense: possible.. i shouldnt jump into any conclusion [20:30] let me start virtualbox.. i thought while virtualbox was running it became slow [20:32] That could explain things. :) But of course you may be right. Oneiric uses more GPU, so it could be that your hardware doesn't cope as well with it as others. [20:32] what is the searchbox called ? [20:32] searchbox? [20:33] Dash, I belive :) [20:34] when I type vir.. in Dash .. virtualbox icon and some other paper related to virtualbox shows up.. at that time is there a way to pick virtualbox app without using the mouse? [20:34] found it.. down arrow picked it [20:36] axisys: The first entry should be selected by default and can be actived with enter. [20:36] oh ok.. nice to know [20:36] again.. need a cheat sheet :-) [20:37] i guess someone in askubuntu will have the link [20:59] tedg: did you look at this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/849732/comments/22 ? [20:59] Ubuntu bug 849732 in unity-2d "Control/Alt key bindings are broken in GTK 3 programs using gtkbuilder" [Critical,Triaged] [21:00] how do I start another chrome when chrome is running? clicking the launch icon of chrome in dash menu just takes me to the running chrome window [21:00] in classic i can click the icon and a new chrome window starts [21:00] Trevinho, I read your comments, but I haven't looked into it further. Sounds like you did a good set of investigation. [21:00] i tried ctrl+click and no go [21:01] Trevinho, I'm guessing it must have a check somewhere for visibility or mapping :-/ [21:01] mh... I don't know tedg [21:01] axisys, I'm not sure what the preferred way is, but I use Super+Shift+Number for the launchers for new windows most of the time. [21:01] but I was wondering... [21:02] in the standard menus, when you press an accelerator... Who activates the menu item^ [21:02] I mean, you activate the old gtk one or the dbusmenuitem? [21:02] tedg: all the numbers are taken [21:03] tedg: 0-9 are all assigned to other applications.. chrome gets no number [21:03] Trevinho, The window gets it and handles it. So no dbusmenu involvement. I'm guessing the hiding of the menu bar broke it. [21:03] axisys, Move it? :-) [21:03] tedg: heh [21:03] axisys: tried middle clicking the launcher? [21:04] htorque: let me try that [21:04] tedg: yes, in fact it's what I saw... The window inherit these settings... So the dbusmenu uses them only to show the right accel on the menu, isn't it? [21:04] Trevinho, Correct [21:04] htorque: that did it.. thanks [21:05] Trevinho, I can't answer any more questions until your ETSA is approved though ;-) [21:05] axisys: you're welcome [21:05] tedg: the site says it's approved... but I think that at the airport will get controlled further way... [21:06] In my passport picture I really looks like a terrorist... :D [21:07] by the way also if you're not sure that I'm a trusted man, who won't ever destroy your country, do you think that the fix to do is in the gtk scope, isn't it=? [21:10] Trevinho: just a tip - don't make any jokes when talking to the immigration officers :D [21:10] would be nice if this is in the topic.. would help tons of newbies like me.. nice cheat sheet [21:10] http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/what-are-unitys-keyboard-and-mouse-shortcuts [21:11] Trevinho, I believe in code reviews :-) [21:11] htorque: ok... Sorry... It seems I'm risking too much here... [21:11] axisys: #ayatana actually isn't a support channel. the right channel would be #ubuntu, but with 1700+ users i can understand why people visit all other channels. :P [21:12] axisys, http://www.quicklycode.com/wallpapers/unity-cheat-sheet-wallpaper [21:12] htorque: i got not much help there about unity.. [21:12] tedg: yes, but I can't really understand what's going there... I mean, a gtkmenubar manually added when hidden should act exactly like a gtkbuilder generated gtkmenubar [21:12] Ah, it's linked there. [21:13] htorque: i guess with 11.10 just released this chnl will be busy atleast for next 6 months with people like me :-) [21:13] but here it seems that the gtkmenubar done by gtkbuilder when hidden doesn't allow to activate its child... [21:13] while the normal one allows that... [21:13] Trevinho, Yeah, I had to do a bit of a hack with the mnemonics. Basically breaking on each function I thought should be activated. Guessing it'll be the same process. [21:14] tedg: yeah.. that image does not exist anymore to download [21:14] axisys, http://i.stack.imgur.com/pf1y5.png [21:14] tedg: nice.. I will make it a wallpaper for few months.. thanks! [21:16] hmm.. super+D does not work === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [21:21] tedg: I'm there... [21:22] I found a way to make it working... [21:25] however tedg how would you see to ignore if menuitem is hidden when asking to activate that by accel when the the ubuntu menubar is used? [21:25] I'm worried it could cause issues... [21:25] anyone knows how to change the login screen? I dont want to show the valid users.. I rather type the username [21:26] maybe we should track the previously hidden entries... [21:26] I rather want to type the username [21:33] tedg: sorry I was wrong.. .It doesn't depend on visiblity [21:33] but on the parent visibiltiy check [21:33] And this is not done generally for menus... [21:39] Trevinho, So, you can look at the check that I put into the mnemonic code. Basically I check to see if there is a menuproxy, if it's being used, and if so then I override things. It should be safe in that case. [21:40] axisys, I think you need to edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf -- though I'm not sure about which greeter you'd want for that. [21:41] tedg: here the issue is that there are some menu items parents that are really hidden... [21:41] And the gtk_widget_real_can_activate_accel function check for visility [21:41] Trevinho, Sure, but the menubar shouldn't be, no? [21:41] so what about ignoring the visibility? [21:42] Yes, but that doesn't check for the menubar [21:42] in fact, adding some debug code, and running a standard app [21:42] Trevinho, Hmm, but the confusing part is why does it then work for normal menubars? [21:42] I don't get any output [21:42] Trevinho, Like non-builder ones. [21:42] while there's for gtkbuild... [21:42] tedg: because the normal menubars doesn't use the complex structure that the gtkbuilder seems to use [21:44] I've not checked how the tree is made, but there are at least three levels behind the standard menubar.... I mean menubar -> file menuitem -> unknown menuitem -> menuitem i want to activate [21:51] tedg: strange... [21:51] Looking at the windgets tree it seems that there's a GtkMenuBar, then a GtkMenu and the another GtkMenuBar [21:52] Trevinho, Uhm, wow... [21:52] or... not, sorry maybe I'm wrong [21:52] just menubar + menu....