[02:01]  * hyperair grumbles at smspillaz. there's no way to disable alt-grave!
[03:53] <hyperair> smspillaz:
[03:53] <hyperair> oops
[03:53] <hyperair> smspillaz: http://paste.debian.net/136355/
[03:55] <smspillaz> hyperair: wouldn't it be better to make KeyboardUtil::findKeyAboveTab return nothing ?
[03:56] <hyperair> smspillaz: why so?
[03:56] <smspillaz> because you might want to bind another key to 'next window' and that patch focibly disables the next window callback
[03:57] <smspillaz> or .. better yet, have an option like "next window override" which allows you to specify your own key
[03:57] <hyperair> no, it only forcibly disables alt+grave
[03:57] <hyperair> the alt+left/right still work
[03:57] <hyperair> in fact, successive alt+graves don't work.
[03:57] <smspillaz> right, but what if the user wants to *not* use alt-keyabovetab but alt-somethingelse
[03:57] <hyperair> the only thing alt+grave does for me is bring up the switcher, and stay there
[03:58] <hyperair> smspillaz: right, so we should have a customizable keybinding
[03:58] <hyperair> instead of alt+keyabovetab
[03:58] <hyperair> but defaulting to alt+keyabovetab?
[03:58] <hyperair> how do we do that?
[03:58] <smspillaz> easy
[03:58] <hyperair> ?
[03:59] <smspillaz> you add an option for "Next Window", and if the keybinding is not "None" you use that instead of detecting the key above tab
[03:59] <hyperair> and what if it is None?
[04:00] <hyperair> what if i want to disable the keybinding?
[04:00] <hyperair> and seriously, why does unity get so many hardcoded crap keybindings?
[04:00] <hyperair> in natty the super key was working erratically
[04:01] <hyperair> all my *other* super-keybindings stopped functioning
[04:13] <smspillaz> hyperair: the super key should be working again, unfortunately passive key grabs with X are a bit of a nightmare
[04:13] <smspillaz> (and distro wouldn't let me push my fix into natty :()
[04:13] <hyperair> heh oh well
[04:15] <smspillaz> hyperair: I have a patch which allows you to change "detected" key to "something else" but unfortunately not to "nothing"
[04:15] <smspillaz> the compiz keybindings system doesn't really provide a way to do "detect a key", though maybe this should be moved int ocore
[04:15] <hyperair> what do you mean "detect a key"?
[04:17] <smspillaz> as in, in the metadata to have a tag that says "key above, left of, right of, below X"
[06:07] <smspillaz> didrocks: morning :)
[06:07] <didrocks> hey smspillaz
[08:40] <mardy> Saviq: hi, I'm a bit confused by https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity-2d/bugfix/+merge/79287
[08:41] <mardy> Saviq: should I review it? Did you do the rebase yourself to help rento?
[08:41] <mardy> *Renato
[08:41] <Saviq> mardy: yes, I did rebase
[08:42] <Saviq> well, I had to uncommit and commit again, 'cause his `bzr merge` messed things up
[08:42] <mardy> :-)
[08:42] <Saviq> mardy: buy anyway I'd wait for him before reviewing again
[08:42] <Saviq> *but
[08:42] <Saviq> 'cause I'm not sure if he still wants to work on my race issue or not
[08:43] <Saviq> (possible race issue)
[08:45] <Saviq> he's on brazillian time, so won't be here until 12pm UTC or so
[09:06] <Bacta> Hi I unstalled Ubuntu 11.10 and I can't start in Gnome
[09:06] <Bacta> How can I delete Unity and have Gnome instead?
[09:28] <greyback> Bacta: install "gnome-shell" to get gnome3
[09:40] <Bacta> Will this mean I can start Ubuntu without Unity?
[09:45] <greyback> Bacta: yes, at the log in screen, click the settings cog, and you can select a different desktop
[09:46] <Bacta> cool
[09:47] <greyback> Bacta: Any particular reason why you dislike Unity?
[09:53] <Bacta> Can't move it from the left
[09:53] <Bacta> My menu items are no longer docked to the top of my app
[09:53] <Bacta> They're minor gripes but Ubuntu is meant to be about choice
[09:57] <greyback> Bacta: Fair enough. Though I had to admit, I got used to the new workflow and quite like it.
[12:56] <TLE> Hallo everyone. I was wondering about a lens that would allow people to start up chats in empathy, is something like available from somewhere or being worked on? I found the development blogs af Seif Lofty from a year back but was unable to conclude how far the work is.
[12:58] <TLE> sorry, _Lotfy_, and I see that he is actually here
[13:40] <bregma> hay guys, my unity-2d panel spontaneously disappeared and won't come back, can anyone give me a clue what to look for to get back to a working desktop?
[14:10] <om26er> gord, Hi! there is a regression in the 4.24 release see the screenshot http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=178963
[14:10] <om26er> they were supposed to be 4 icons in a row now they are three for desktop dash mode
[14:21] <andyrock> JohnLea, te gusta? http://people.ubuntu.com/~andyrock/Selection_005.png
[14:21] <andyrock> it's a WIP...
[14:21] <andyrock> not a mockup
[14:25] <njpatel> andyrock, I'll pay you a lot of money if you make it pick colours from the theme ,or at least the ubuntu brand colours (for the monitors) :)
[14:28] <andyrock> njpatel, should we pick colours from the theme just for the panel or for the wallpaper too?
[14:29] <njpatel> andyrock, I meant the wallpaper area, like instead of pale orange/yellow, it could be something from the theme, so at least it matches
[14:32] <JohnLea> andyrock; cool!  I take it you have seen https://launchpadlibrarian.net/82534397/system_settings_10_08_11_03.png
[14:32] <JohnLea> (attached to bug  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/742544 )
[14:34] <andyrock> njpatel, i think that the colours are used to distinguish the various monitors
[14:35] <njpatel> andyrock, right, but they could be chosen from a pallete that at least looks nice, right? anywya, I don't mean to derail the work, sorry :)
[14:37] <andyrock> njpatel, indeed... current colors are weird :)
[14:37] <andyrock> JohnLea, thanks for the link... I could no longer find it
[14:38] <andyrock> JohnLea, in the mockup there is no clock in the scaled panel
[14:38] <andyrock> should I remove it?
[14:39] <JohnLea> andyrock; yes, thx
[14:40] <andyrock> JohnLea, yw ;) It will be ready in a week... I've to study :/
[14:41] <andyrock> njpatel, I will try to use the wallpaper to draw the background
[14:41] <andyrock> njpatel, can I use libunity to know if unity is running?
[14:41] <njpatel> andyrock, yep, I believe so
[14:42] <andyrock> njpatel, thx
[14:43] <JohnLea> andyrock; if you could make the background dynamically use the current wallpaper that would be awesome!
[14:45] <andyrock> JohnLea, should not be so difficult... :) We should change launcher and panel color according to wallpaper main color
[14:47] <andyrock> i mean if the wallpaper main colour is white we can use black as launcher bg color
[14:47] <andyrock> etc...
[15:16] <andyrock> om26er, do you have a multi-head setup? :)
[15:17] <andyrock> i'm not at home and i will not able to use my multi head setup until Christmas
[15:17] <andyrock> om26er, so i need a tester ;)
[15:17] <om26er> andyrock, wish i had, thats y i dont triage multi-monitor
[15:18] <om26er> maybe one day I will be provided with one :p
[15:18] <andyrock> om26er, you broke my heart :)
[15:18] <andyrock> htorque, and you?
[15:19] <om26er> andyrock, funny someone broke mine today :(
[15:20] <andyrock> om26er, oh i'm sorry
[15:21] <om26er> andyrock, np ;-)
[15:29] <htorque_> andyrock: i can hook up my notebook to my pc monitor if you need someone to test something :-)
[15:31] <andyrock> htorque_, great... :) i will ping you (not today)
[15:31] <andyrock> thx
[15:31] <htorque_> yw :-)
[15:59] <axisys> how do I switch between multiple chrome windwos in unity /
[15:59] <axisys> ?
[16:04] <and471> Trevinho, hi
[17:26] <seif> hi TLE
[17:26] <seif> sorry was napping
[18:41] <neo84> Hi , I have insalled ubuntu 11.10 and o configure uniy installed compiz, I am not sure what I did, Now luancher is not comming and also I am not able to edit panes
[18:41] <cwillu> neo84, panes?
[18:42] <neo84> I mean, where we get start button and all
[18:42] <cwillu> does the panel show up?
[18:42] <cwillu> (under unity, the scope of editing is currently quite limited)
[18:42] <neo84> yes, but it just have file, bookmark go and places
[18:42] <cwillu> ah, okay
[18:42] <cwillu> that's nautilus
[18:42] <neo84> I don't get systetm
[18:42] <neo84> from where I can run programs
[18:44] <neo84> any idea how to fix
[18:45] <cwillu> I don't know if there's an official/better answer, but if you delete ~/.config/compiz-1 and/or ~/.gconf/apps/compiz-1 and restart, the relevant things should get reconfigured and will work
[18:45] <cwillu> (note that the first login after that might take a bit longer)
[18:45] <neo84> ok
[18:45] <neo84> got it
[18:45] <neo84> let me test
[18:45] <cwillu> there's a whole whack of bugs in that area, some of which have been fixed, some of which... haven't :p
[18:45] <cwillu> speaking of which
[18:45]  * cwillu pokes smspillaz with a stick
[18:47] <cwillu> smspillaz, if I say that I'm getting synchronous window moves even with -proposed, are you likely to run away screaming?
[18:47] <neo84> in gconf/apps path i can see comizeonfig instead of copize-1
[18:47] <cwillu> not that one
[18:47] <neo84> should I delete that as wel
[18:47] <cwillu> no
[18:47] <neo84> ok
[18:48] <neo84> got it restarting box
[18:48] <cwillu> technically, logging out and back in would suffice, or really, even just running "DISPLAY=:0 compiz --replace" from a vterm would have sufficed
[18:48] <cwillu> but you didn't see that, because you restarted the box I guess :p
[18:49] <htorque_> :D
[18:50] <cwillu> bug #874514
[18:53] <neo84> Hi cwillu: that didn't worked
[18:54] <cwillu> neo84, you're on the computer right now?
[18:54] <cwillu> (i.e., chatting from it?)
[18:54] <neo84> yes,
[18:54] <htorque_> cwillu: hm, after a while my windows start to lag behind the cursor when moving - you think that's connected? (also running -proposed compiz) i first thought that's connected to a similar snap plugin bug, but it happens with that disabled too. :(
[18:55] <cwillu> htorque_, sec
[18:55] <neo84> but I logged in gnome session
[18:55] <cwillu> oh, not the ubuntu session?
[18:55] <cwillu> no idea then, sorry
[18:55] <neo84> no in ubuntu session, I can't do anything. Alt t2 is not working
[18:55] <cwillu> alt t2?
[18:56] <neo84> and there's no way to kick terminal or any appliation
[18:56] <cwillu> oh, f2
[18:56] <cwillu> neo84, do you know how to log into a vterm?
[18:56] <neo84> no
[18:56] <cwillu> ctrl-alt-f7 will get you back to your current session
[18:56] <neo84> ok
[18:56] <cwillu> ctrl-alt-f1 will take you to a text-only screen
[18:56] <cwillu> where you can log in with your usual username and such
[18:57] <cwillu> what I want you to do (write this down, you won't be able to refer to the screen) is:
[18:57] <neo84> ok
[18:57] <neo84> sure pleas go ahead
[18:58] <cwillu> (sec)
[18:58] <neo84> sure
[18:59] <cwillu> (1) log into a vterm (2: will kill the graphical session) sudo stop lightdm (3) rm -rf ~/.gconf/apps/compiz-1 ~/.config/compiz-1 ~/.local/share/compiz-1 (4: will take you to the graphical login screen) sudo start lightdm (5) log into the ubuntu session
[18:59] <neo84> vterm is etxt only one , correct
[19:00] <cwillu> yes
[19:00] <cwillu> (well, technically not really, but anyway :p)
[19:01] <neo84> ok
[19:01] <htorque> cwillu: wouldn't "DISPLAY=:0 unity --reset" be simpler? :-)
[19:02] <cwillu> htorque, perhaps, although that's failed half a dozen times for me in the last week :p
[19:04] <htorque> another thing to check: are users really running unity or are they running unity 2d instead (there were already a couple of invalid bug reports on launchpad). easiest way to check: only unity's panel has a shadow.
[19:04] <htorque> like "compiz settings don't work"
[19:05] <cwillu> htorque, difficult when neither unity nor unity-2d is actually running :p
[19:06] <htorque> true that
[19:09] <cwillu> neo84, note, be careful with rm;  a typo can easily delete your entire home directory :p
[19:09] <cwillu> oh, god damnit
[19:09] <htorque> we'll see if we'll see him again :D
[19:09] <cwillu> ah well, it's not likely that he'd stick a random space between ~ and / ;p
[19:13] <neo84> cwillu: now when I am loading ubuntu session, it says unable to load ubuntu logou :(
[19:14] <cwillu> sorry?
[19:14] <cwillu> please give precise messages, with as few typos as possible :p
[19:14] <neo84> sure
[19:15] <htorque> i guess that's the dialog when loading a missing session (unity → "ubuntu")
[19:15] <neo84> it says , unable to load Ubuntu and log out button comes
[19:17] <neo84> how to fix it
[19:17] <cwillu> neo84, I'm pretty sure you did something more than what I said :p
[19:17] <cwillu> either from the gnome session, or when logged in from the terminal :/
[19:17] <htorque> from a command line (ctrl-alt-f1, log in), can you do "apt-cache policy gnome-session"
[19:17] <htorque> does it say anything other that "none" behind "Installed:"?
[19:18] <htorque> *than
[19:18] <neo84> how to login via gnome session ?
[19:19] <htorque> no, from the vterm like you did before (using ctrl-alt-f1)
[19:19] <neo84> ok
[19:20] <htorque> then type: apt-cache policy gnome-session
[19:21] <htorque> does that say "Installed: 3.2.0-0ubuntu3"?
[19:22] <htorque> hm :-/
[19:22] <cwillu> heh:  bug #861710 and bug #862162
[19:23] <DBO> I should totally mark my bug as fix released
[19:23] <DBO> I have been sleeping like a pimp
[19:23] <htorque> well deserved ;)
[19:25] <cwillu> DBO, I'll take advantage of your unwise revealing of your monitoring of this channel, to ask if you know anything about lazy positioning?
[19:25] <DBO> I dont even know what that is
[19:25] <DBO> unless you mean in compiz
[19:25] <cwillu> yes
[19:25] <DBO> then yes
[19:26] <DBO> I know all about lazy positioning
[19:26] <cwillu> >:)
[19:26] <DBO> its lazy
[19:26] <DBO> and positions
[19:26] <cwillu> DBO, more than you want to?
[19:26] <DBO> but only when it feels like it
[19:26] <cwillu> ah yes, then you're qualified :)
[19:26] <bregma> much like yourself?
[19:26] <DBO> bregma, not half as lazy as myself
[19:26] <bregma> that's a bug then
[19:27] <cwillu> DBO, I got the sense from the patches that landed in -proposed that this should've been mostly fixed there
[19:27] <DBO> ever sleep in a chair because getting up for bed was just harder?
[19:27] <cwillu> DBO, yes.
[19:27] <DBO> cwillu, whats broken exacry?
[19:28] <cwillu> I only get synchronous moves, except in a few short-lived cases
[19:29] <DBO> cwillu, amd hardware?
[19:29] <cwillu> intel
[19:29] <cwillu> pineview
[19:29] <DBO> intel needs to stop naming their hardware after elementary schools
[19:29] <cwillu> and if you say anything about sync to vrefresh, I might strangle you :p
[19:30] <cwillu> DBO, it's i915 hardware
[19:30] <DBO> cwillu, my guess is god hates you right now
[19:30] <DBO> and he is a wrathful god
[19:30] <cwillu> DBO, fine, but intel is fine right now :p
[19:31] <cwillu> DBO, if the unityshell compiz plugin isn't running, compiz has no problems :)
[19:31] <DBO> ahhhh hmmm
[19:31] <DBO> thats interesting isn't it
[19:31] <cwillu> DBO, somewhat
[19:31] <DBO> so its slow dragging windows around?
[19:31] <cwillu> yes
[19:31] <cwillu> specifically, it doesn't update if the mouse moves more than ~20 pixels per second or so
[19:32] <cwillu> (where "it" means "everything but the mouse cursor")
[19:32] <cwillu> so if I move windows really really slowly, they move somewhat ok
[19:32] <DBO> interesting
[19:32] <DBO> you going to be at UDS?
[19:33] <cwillu> more interesting:  if a window opens up in the middle of the screen (or not touching an edge), it moves fluidly
[19:33] <cwillu> until it touches an edge, or I alt-tab to it, or so forth
[19:33] <cwillu> DBO, I keep telling myself that I love my job too much to take one that pays enough to allow me to do such things as "go to conferences" :p
[19:34] <DBO> mail me your laptop
[19:34] <DBO> then I can finally reproduce the problem and fix it :P
[19:34] <cwillu> want ssh? :p
[19:35] <cwillu> (noteworthy, before -proposed, compiz in a shell gave a swath of that "you should probably report this" bug;  now it only gives a couple when the session first starts
[19:36] <cwillu> if I had to guess, I'd say that m->mLocked is never being released, although I'm not sure that that's even done the same way in the patches
[19:38] <Splief> Hello
[19:39] <DBO> cwillu, I have an intel machine being upgraded now
[19:39] <DBO> in an effort to reproduce this issue
[19:40] <Splief> After I am upgrade to 11.10 I get this error message "Booting system without full network configuration"
[19:41] <Splief> 1] move all /var/run -> /run and /var/lock -> /run/lock 2] delete /var/run and /var/lock 3] link /run -> /var/run and /run/lock -> /var/lock 4] delete /run/dbus/* 5] restart
[19:41] <DBO> Splief, you probably want to ask in #ubuntu
[19:42] <cwillu> DBO, probably worth noting a few things that _didn't_ work:  various pokings at intel x driver options, every permutation of relevant workarounds settings, disabling sync to vrefresh in no less than 4 distinct places, tweaking/disabling mouse-polling settings (long shot :p)
[19:42] <Splief> yes
[19:42] <Splief> I am wrong here?
[19:43] <cwillu> DBO, also of note, simply defeating the lock test in the move plugin changed the behaviour, but didn't fix it (obviously :p)
[19:44] <DBO> k
[19:44] <htorque> Splief:  yes. either type  '/join #ubuntu' to get into a room with 1700 users or you can also ask your question at askubuntu.com
[19:44] <htorque> hmpf
[19:46] <cwillu> DBO, hmm, that's interesting:  just did compiz --replace in a terminal;  at that point, the terminal window was fluidly movable, but simply shifting focus to another window and back restored the clumpy behaviour
[19:46] <cwillu> no errors compiz stdout at all
[19:47] <cwillu> (actually, there's "/usr/bin/compiz (expo) - Warn: failed to bind image to texture" during the initial loading, that's it)
[19:47] <DBO> cwillu, without a local ability to reproduce the issue
[19:47] <DBO> I cant possibly fix it
[19:47] <cwillu> I will continue to stream useless information at you anyway :p
[19:47] <cwillu> otherwise you might get the impression that it's not bugging me anymore :p
[19:48] <cwillu> also, given some guidance on how it's supposed to work in the first place, I might be able to fix it myself
[19:48] <cwillu> although I still haven't figured out how to go from a bzr checkout to a dpkg-buildpackage'able tree
[20:13] <TLE> seif: hey, I've been afk
[20:17] <TLE> As I mentioned earlier, I was wondering about what the status is of the people lens work you did a while back
[20:18] <axisys> is there a tutorial for newbies ?
[20:19] <axisys> not quite comformatble with it .. may be some tutorial will help
[20:19] <axisys> comfortable*
[20:20] <sense> axisys: Maybe <http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/> can help you getting started?
[20:21] <axisys> sense: i remember there was a cheat sheet for unity.. can't find it
[20:21] <sense> Neither can I, unfortunately.
[20:21] <axisys> i think someone provided it in answers.ubuntu.com or somewhere like tere
[20:22] <axisys> back then I decided to swithc to classic.. but this time I like to stick to it for a little longer..
[20:22] <axisys> i mean during natty
[20:23] <sense> axisys: Ah, you don't mean development but usage?
[20:23] <axisys> sense: right
[20:23] <sense> In that case all I can advise is looking further at AskUbuntu.
[20:23] <axisys> sense: what is quickly ? next gen unity ?
[20:24] <axisys> http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/2010/09/16/Getting_Started_With_Quickly_Part_1
[20:24] <sense> axisys: Quickly is a (command line) tool for quickly creating a new Ubuntu application and developing it.
[20:24] <axisys> sense: :-)
[20:24] <axisys> i am in the wrong place then..
[20:24] <axisys> let me check askubuntu
[20:24] <sense> ok!
[20:25] <sense> axisys: The general support IRC channel is #ubuntu if you have further questions. :)
[20:25] <axisys> i wodner if unity made it little slower?
[20:25] <axisys> i find natty was faster in response time
[20:25] <axisys> i have 8G mem in my laptopr
[20:26] <axisys> laptop*
[20:26] <axisys> is it possible unity needs *lot* more resource?
[20:26] <cwillu> so long as you have enough memory, more memory has little effect on response time
[20:26] <cwillu> be more specific on "response time" though
[20:27] <axisys> i click on a tab on chrome and I see "new tab" declaration and then the tab gets created .. odd
[20:28] <axisys> it is possible that rsync within folders slowing it down
[20:29] <axisys> i just started with oneric today.. so I dont have enough data to conclude to my observation
[20:29] <sense> I'm not sure. But couldn't it be an issue with Chrome itself?
[20:29] <axisys> sense: possible.. i shouldnt jump into any conclusion
[20:30] <axisys> let me start virtualbox.. i thought while virtualbox was running it became slow
[20:32] <sense> That could explain things. :) But of course you may be right. Oneiric uses more GPU, so it could be that your hardware doesn't cope as well with it as others.
[20:32] <axisys> what is the searchbox called ?
[20:32] <axisys> searchbox?
[20:33] <sense> Dash, I belive :)
[20:34] <axisys> when I type vir.. in Dash .. virtualbox icon and some other paper related to virtualbox shows up.. at that time is there a way to pick virtualbox app without using the mouse?
[20:34] <axisys> found it.. down arrow picked it
[20:36] <sense> axisys: The first entry should be selected by default and can be actived with enter.
[20:36] <axisys> oh ok.. nice to know
[20:36] <axisys> again.. need a cheat sheet :-)
[20:37] <axisys> i guess someone in askubuntu will have the link
[20:59] <Trevinho> tedg: did you look at this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/849732/comments/22 ?
[21:00] <axisys> how do I start another chrome when chrome is running? clicking the launch icon of chrome in dash menu just takes me to the running chrome window
[21:00] <axisys> in classic i can click the icon and a new chrome window starts
[21:00] <tedg> Trevinho, I read your comments, but I haven't looked into it further.  Sounds like you did a good set of investigation.
[21:00] <axisys> i tried ctrl+click and no go
[21:01] <tedg> Trevinho, I'm guessing it must have a check somewhere for visibility or mapping :-/
[21:01] <Trevinho> mh... I don't know tedg
[21:01] <tedg> axisys, I'm not sure what the preferred way is, but I use Super+Shift+Number for the launchers for new windows most of the time.
[21:01] <Trevinho> but I was wondering...
[21:02] <Trevinho> in the standard menus, when you press an accelerator... Who activates the menu item^
[21:02] <Trevinho> I mean, you activate the old gtk one or the dbusmenuitem?
[21:02] <axisys> tedg: all the numbers are taken
[21:03] <axisys> tedg: 0-9 are all assigned to other applications.. chrome gets no number
[21:03] <tedg> Trevinho, The window gets it and handles it.  So no dbusmenu involvement.  I'm guessing the hiding of the menu bar broke it.
[21:03] <tedg> axisys, Move it?  :-)
[21:03] <axisys> tedg: heh
[21:03] <htorque> axisys: tried middle clicking the launcher?
[21:04] <axisys> htorque: let me try that
[21:04] <Trevinho> tedg: yes, in fact it's what I saw... The window inherit these settings... So the dbusmenu uses them only to show the right accel on the menu, isn't it?
[21:04] <tedg> Trevinho, Correct
[21:04] <axisys> htorque: that did it.. thanks
[21:05] <tedg> Trevinho, I can't answer any more questions until your ETSA is approved though ;-)
[21:05] <htorque> axisys: you're welcome
[21:05] <Trevinho> tedg: the site says it's approved... but I think that at the airport will get controlled further way...
[21:06] <Trevinho> In my passport picture I really looks like a terrorist... :D
[21:07] <Trevinho> by the way also if you're not sure that I'm a trusted man, who won't ever destroy your country, do you think that the fix to do is in the gtk scope, isn't it=?
[21:10] <htorque> Trevinho: just a tip - don't make any jokes when talking to the immigration officers :D
[21:10] <axisys> would be nice if this is in the topic.. would help tons of newbies like me.. nice cheat sheet
[21:10] <axisys> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/what-are-unitys-keyboard-and-mouse-shortcuts
[21:11] <tedg> Trevinho, I believe in code reviews :-)
[21:11] <Trevinho> htorque: ok... Sorry... It seems I'm risking too much here...
[21:11] <htorque> axisys: #ayatana actually isn't a support channel. the right channel would be #ubuntu, but with 1700+ users i can understand why people visit all other channels. :P
[21:12] <tedg> axisys, http://www.quicklycode.com/wallpapers/unity-cheat-sheet-wallpaper
[21:12] <axisys> htorque: i got not much help there about unity..
[21:12] <Trevinho> tedg: yes, but I can't really understand what's going there... I mean, a gtkmenubar manually added when hidden should act exactly like a gtkbuilder generated gtkmenubar
[21:12] <tedg> Ah, it's linked there.
[21:13] <axisys> htorque: i guess with 11.10 just released this chnl will be busy atleast for next 6 months with people like me :-)
[21:13] <Trevinho> but here it seems that the gtkmenubar done by gtkbuilder when hidden doesn't allow to activate its child...
[21:13] <Trevinho> while the normal one allows that...
[21:13] <tedg> Trevinho, Yeah, I had to do a bit of a hack with the mnemonics.  Basically breaking on each function I thought should be activated.  Guessing it'll be the same process.
[21:14] <axisys> tedg: yeah.. that image does not exist anymore to download
[21:14] <tedg> axisys, http://i.stack.imgur.com/pf1y5.png
[21:14] <axisys> tedg: nice.. I will make it a wallpaper for few months.. thanks!
[21:16] <axisys> hmm.. super+D does not work
[21:21] <Trevinho> tedg: I'm there...
[21:22] <Trevinho> I found a way to make it working...
[21:25] <Trevinho> however tedg how would you see to ignore if menuitem is hidden when asking to activate that by accel when the the ubuntu menubar is used?
[21:25] <Trevinho> I'm worried it could cause issues...
[21:25] <axisys> anyone knows how to change the login screen? I dont want to show the valid users.. I rather type the username
[21:26] <Trevinho> maybe we should track the previously hidden entries...
[21:26] <axisys> I rather want to type the username
[21:33] <Trevinho> tedg: sorry I was wrong.. .It doesn't depend on visiblity
[21:33] <Trevinho> but on the parent visibiltiy check
[21:33] <Trevinho> And this is not done generally for menus...
[21:39] <tedg> Trevinho, So, you can look at the check that I put into the mnemonic code.  Basically I check to see if there is a menuproxy, if it's being used, and if so then I override things.  It should be safe in that case.
[21:40] <tedg> axisys, I think you need to edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf -- though I'm not sure about which greeter you'd want for that.
[21:41] <Trevinho> tedg: here the issue is that there are some menu items parents that are really hidden...
[21:41] <Trevinho> And the gtk_widget_real_can_activate_accel function check for visility
[21:41] <tedg> Trevinho, Sure, but the menubar shouldn't be, no?
[21:41] <Trevinho> so what about ignoring the visibility?
[21:42] <Trevinho> Yes, but that doesn't check for the menubar
[21:42] <Trevinho> in fact, adding some debug code, and running a standard app
[21:42] <tedg> Trevinho, Hmm, but the confusing part is why does it then work for normal menubars?
[21:42] <Trevinho> I don't get any output
[21:42] <tedg> Trevinho, Like non-builder ones.
[21:42] <Trevinho> while there's for gtkbuild...
[21:42] <Trevinho> tedg: because the normal menubars doesn't use the complex structure that the gtkbuilder seems to use
[21:44] <Trevinho> I've not checked how the tree is made, but there are at least three levels behind the standard menubar.... I mean menubar -> file menuitem -> unknown menuitem -> menuitem i want to activate
[21:51] <Trevinho> tedg: strange...
[21:51] <Trevinho> Looking at the windgets tree it seems that there's a GtkMenuBar, then a GtkMenu and the another GtkMenuBar
[21:52] <tedg> Trevinho, Uhm, wow...
[21:52] <Trevinho> or... not, sorry maybe I'm wrong
[21:52] <Trevinho> just menubar + menu....