[00:03]  * Riddell snoozes too
[00:06] <Riddell> oh wow, at least we don't have a topic "Religious and political views in packages" poor old opensuse-factory list
[00:10]  * Darkwing sighs
[00:20] <ulysses> Smooth upgrade, except removing my wallpaper and changing back to the defaukt
[00:30] <ulysses> I don't use KDE PIM, so I can't tell anything about that, but Kubuntu Oneiric is awesome, as always, good work, thank you
[00:30] <ulysses> and good night
[01:06] <claydoh> I miss all the action it seems :/ I need a different non-time-consuming job
[01:09] <Darkwing> hehehe
[01:09] <Darkwing> claydoh: At least you *have* a job.
[01:11] <claydoh> want one? i am hiring burger flippers :)
[01:12] <Darkwing> hehehe
[01:12] <Darkwing> In san diego?
[01:13] <claydoh> no
[01:13] <Darkwing> Bugger
[01:14] <claydoh> 7.50 an hour :)
[01:15] <claydoh> may not be worth it
[01:15] <claydoh> may not be worth it
[01:15] <claydoh> ok laggy
[01:16] <Darkwing> :)
[01:16] <Darkwing> Yeah.... I'm getting more in my unemployment at the moment... :P:P
[01:16] <claydoh> yeah
[01:17] <claydoh> hrmpf
[01:17] <claydoh> my wife sure didn't, but that was 6 or so years back
[01:19] <maco> Darkwing: do you know c and/or perl and have an interest in moving to maryland?
[01:24] <rbelem> apachelogger, ping
[02:32] <apachelogger> rbelem: drunk pong
[02:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kubuntu-mobile or something
[02:34] <apachelogger> ah
[02:34] <apachelogger> mailing list is depressing
[02:34] <apachelogger> awesome
[02:36]  * apachelogger actually mentioned his concerns for reliablity of pim 4.7 plenty of times before we switched :S
[02:36] <apachelogger> even did so at UDS :(
[02:37] <apachelogger> no one ever listens to me
[02:37]  * apachelogger also doesn't really stand up for his opinions :(
[02:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: btw, we got the regular amd64 with efi installed successfully
[02:51] <apachelogger> but using rEFIt as boot manager
[02:51] <apachelogger> works very wel
[02:51] <apachelogger> l
[03:00] <apachelogger> Following the release of Ubuntu 11.10, Canonical has just announced that its KDE based Ubuntu OS, Kubuntu, has also reached version 11.10.
[03:00] <apachelogger> good job canonical \o/
[03:09] <markey> congrats on the release, guys :)
[03:09] <markey> very cool
[03:09] <markey> will upgrade soon
[04:47] <Daskreech> apachelogger: ping
[04:47] <Daskreech> http://www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour says openoffice.org 
[04:47] <Daskreech> Something that we should know?
[06:23] <Darkwing> Daskreech: Thanks for the deads up.
[06:24] <Darkwing> s/deads/heads/
[06:24] <kubotu> Darkwing meant: "Daskreech: Thanks for the heads up."
[06:58] <Daskreech> kubotu: Darkwing wishing me a deads up wasn't very reasuuring
[07:01] <yofel> Daskreech: I would say that nobody has updated that feature-tour in quite a while, that should be libreoffice (for post-lucid)
[07:01] <Daskreech> Yep
[07:01] <Daskreech> good morning yofel
[07:02] <yofel> hm, or post-maverick, not sure anymore
[07:02] <yofel> good morning :)
[07:03] <Daskreech> :)
[07:14] <Darkwing> Hey yofel 
[07:15] <Darkwing> YES! My brother rocks.
[07:15] <Darkwing> the complete antholigy of Deadmau5.
[07:15] <Darkwing> XD
[07:16] <yofel> hey, and by again - bbl
[07:16] <yofel> *bye
[09:31]  * Riddell puts Markus on moderation in kubuntu-devel
[09:35] <ulysses> Anyone seen this message about Nepomuk disabled? http://people.ubuntu.com/~ulysses/nepomukdisabled.png
[09:37] <ulysses> 333
[09:37] <ulysses> meh, cat walked throug the keyboard
[09:44] <Riddell> only when I manually kill nepomuk
[09:44] <ulysses> I upgraded today to Oneiric, it appears on every login
[10:09] <afiestas> sorry for the rant yesterday, won't happen again
[10:10] <afiestas> I'm going to develop a plugin for KMail that, if it detects harsh words + the time is around 2AM prevents me to send anything anywhere
[10:18] <Riddell> afiestas: :)
[10:18] <Riddell> gosh, first comment on slashdot Ubuntu release thread is "I moved to Kubuntu (Score 4: Insightful) about 3 releases ago, and I've never looked back."
[10:24] <jussi> afiestas: I have one patch for you to develop as pennance
[10:26] <jussi> afiestas: you can make a choice when setting up email to choose "gmail style account" for those that use google accounts on their own domain name (like me with jussi01.com). 
[10:40] <GirlyGirl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OneiricUpgrades/Kubuntu  typo "Upgrade to 11.04 with an alternate CD:" should be 11.10
[10:40] <Riddell> fixed
[10:42] <GirlyGirl> Lots of kmail2 complaints in #kubuntu btw apparently they don't read the release notes and try migration
[10:44] <Riddell> hmm, I can believe that
[10:52] <jussi> the migration failed here :/
[11:05] <afiestas> btw, the only thing we can do about this at this stage, is to help upstream the most we can
[11:05] <afiestas> KMail has a new mantainer now, it didn't a few weeks ago
[11:17] <jussi> afiestas: +++
[11:17] <jussi> afiestas: thats what I pretty much said in my mail there (which seemed to get lost amongst the noise)
[12:03] <rbelem> apachelogger, ping
[12:03] <rbelem> :-D
[12:03] <rbelem> afiestas, \o/
[12:03] <apachelogger> rbelem: yes?
[12:04] <rbelem> apachelogger, a talked to rsalveti yesterday
[12:05] <rbelem> apachelogger, he said the he cant give us an arm ppa, but he can upload ours packages to his arm ppa and send back the binaries
[12:06] <rbelem> apachelogger, and he said that kubuntu-mobile images can be host by linaro
[12:07] <rbelem> apachelogger, he asked me to generate the images using live-build
[12:07] <apachelogger> hmmm
[12:08] <rbelem> :-)
[12:09] <apachelogger> rbelem: that actually seems like a good enough solution
[12:10] <apachelogger> with we can copy the entire package from his ppa to ours
[12:10] <apachelogger> including the binaries
[12:10] <apachelogger> so management effort is rather low
[12:12] <rbelem> apachelogger, he said that he cant give us a ppa because the farm is small and some builds may damage the hardware
[12:13] <apachelogger> yeah, the usual reason
[12:13] <apachelogger> but I think building elsewhere and then copying to our PPA is good enough
[12:14] <apachelogger> plus we have our own farm for random testbuilds anyway
[12:14] <apachelogger> which reminds me .... NCommander: any progress on getting those machines upgrade?
[12:16]  * rbelem hopes linaro guys manage to get arm cross toolchain ready to use soon
[12:51] <apachelogger> debfx: I believe your change to kds broke plasma netbook now
[12:52] <apachelogger> or the sal containment at large
[12:52] <apachelogger> because it has a 'tab' for contacts
[12:52] <apachelogger> which is in fact using the runner
[12:52] <apachelogger> fortunately enough turning off the runner will not cause visual indiciation in the feature
[12:52] <apachelogger> so it will just appear to not be working
[12:53] <apachelogger> FWIW though ... last I tried it did not work to begin with
[13:04] <debfx> apachelogger: we don't even install those krunner plugins by default so how can disabling them cause problems?
[13:05] <apachelogger> we don't?
[13:05] <apachelogger> ah, it is an entire pile of bugs then
[13:05] <apachelogger> cool
[13:06]  * apachelogger trusts debfx to take care of this and prepares for some hacker party
[13:07] <debfx> no, they are in plasma-runners-addons
[13:15] <debfx> apachelogger: I have never used the netbook interface so no idea what's going on there
[14:04] <afiestas> rbelem: is docummented anywhere what configuration is needed in order to have samba share working properly?
[14:05] <rbelem> afiestas, not yet
[14:06] <rbelem> afiestas, did you manage to get is sharing properly?
[14:38] <afiestas> rbelem: nope
[15:40] <yofel> uh... can someone with the -proposed archive enabled try to disable it in software-properties-kde?
[15:40] <yofel> doesn't work for me in oneiric
[15:43] <yofel> more like, when I uncheck a checkbox on the 'Updates' tab, as soon as I move the mouse away it gets checked again O.O
[15:45] <debfx> yofel: same here for all checkboxes under "Kubuntu updates"
[15:48] <yofel> bug 819793
[15:49] <GirlyGirl> yofel: same here
[15:49] <yofel> bug 826539 is for the gtk one, but only for backports
[15:50] <yofel> bug 791491
[16:12] <Quintasan> Goddamn
[16:12] <Quintasan> yofel, debfx: Can you try adding a new entry using kmenuedit?
[16:13] <yofel> Quintasan: where?
[16:13] <Quintasan> yofel: in Kickoff obviously
[16:13]  * Quintasan tried adding World of Goo to Games today
[16:13] <Quintasan> but when I clicked on Save it started processing and then disappeard
[16:14] <Quintasan> The progress bar when saving
[16:16] <yofel> Quintasan: worked for me (adding a custom entry for s-p-k under lost and found)
[16:16] <Quintasan> :/
[16:17]  * yofel is trying to understand software-properties code
[16:17] <yofel> pyth0rn
[16:53] <apachelogger> jockey is weirdly defunct
[16:53] <apachelogger> there is also some rubbish about appindicator3 and whatnot
[16:56] <yofel> ok
[16:56] <yofel> now this was utterly confusing and suprisingly easy to fix...
[17:01] <Quintasan> lol
[17:01] <Quintasan> precise is already open
[17:05] <debfx> there are still a lot of 4.7.2 packages that need uploading to oneiric-proposed
[17:08] <debfx> (remember to reference bug #872506 in the changelog)
[17:14] <CIA-130> [software-properties] Philip Muškovac * 724 * softwareproperties/kde/SoftwarePropertiesKDE.py Fix KDE UI not being able to disable update repositories
[17:18] <yofel> now I need to get a hold of mvo...
[17:26]  * Quintasan updates the wiki
[17:29]  * Quintasan grabs libkdeedu
[17:31] <Quintasan> libkdeedu uploaded
[17:56]  * Quintasan grabs libkexiv2
[17:58] <CIA-130> [libkdeedu] Michal Zajac * 15 * debian/changelog New upstream release (LP: #872506)
[18:01] <debfx> meh, archive.u.c is painfully slow
[18:04] <CIA-130> [libkexiv2] Michal Zajac * 23 * debian/changelog New upstream release (LP: #872506)
[18:05] <Quintasan> I wonder where is Scott
[18:07] <debfx> Quintasan: he is taking a break from ubuntu development, see ubuntu-devel list
[18:09] <Quintasan> Ah
[18:09] <Quintasan> I see
[18:28] <yofel> debfx: how did you decide if it's worth to backport? unpack both packages and run diff -ruN ?
[18:28] <yofel> *worth to SRU
[18:28] <debfx> yofel: I grabbed the diffs from the ninjas ppa
[18:28] <yofel> ah
[18:29] <yofel> good idea
[18:41]  * yofel grabs rocs
[18:54] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/rocs] Philip Muškovac * 15 * debian/changelog New upstream release (LP: #872506)
[18:59] <c2tarun> can anyone please tell me how to load a project in QtCreator? (I have the source code of the project)
[19:23] <bambee> evening
[20:28] <CIA-130> [software-properties] Philip Muškovac * 725 * softwareproperties/kde/SoftwarePropertiesKDE.py throw the now unused loop out
[21:31] <valorie> late saying it, but awesome effort, team
[21:31] <valorie> and great product
[21:31] <valorie> I can't wait to upgrade this laptop, but my netbook is doing great on 11.10
[21:32] <valorie> upgrading two days before flying to Cali with it doesn't seem smart though
[21:36] <Riddell> valorie: you're not late saying it, you have another 5 months and 29 days to keep saying it
[21:36] <valorie> heh
[21:37] <valorie> it felt good to contribute a bit more to this release
[21:37] <valorie> hope to increase that in Precise
[21:37] <valorie> it will be good to have you back at the helm, Riddell
[21:45] <Riddell> aww, thanks :)
[21:45] <Riddell> are you coming to UDS valorie?
[21:46] <valorie> nope -- heading to Google this week
[21:46] <Riddell> oh?  mentors summit?
[21:46] <valorie> there simply isn't enough time between the two events
[21:46] <valorie> sadly
[21:46] <valorie> Doc Camp and then Mentor's Summit
[21:46] <Riddell> what's Doc Camp?
[21:46] <valorie> I expect to be wrung out by the end of the week
[21:47] <valorie> shadeslayer and two other guys are coming from India
[21:47] <valorie> and we're going to write a book about how to get involved in developing KDE
[21:47] <valorie> fortunately they know the facts
[21:47] <Riddell> a book?  like a full novel?
[21:48] <valorie> I'll be there to edit, etc.
[21:48] <BarkingFish> Well at least I got back...  Is it possible to upgrade from 04 to 10 without using an over the net install?  I had hell with mine yesterday.
[21:48] <BarkingFish> I only got back on the net about 2 or 3 hours ago
[21:48] <Riddell> BarkingFish: you can try using the alternate CD
[21:48] <valorie> this will be published on teh ....fossdocs? website
[21:48] <BarkingFish> Riddell, yesterday bought me within 10 minutes of calling the samaritans.  I was practically on the edge of doing something unpleasant.
[21:49] <valorie> #kde-doc-camp is where we are hanging out if you are interested in adding to the work
[21:49] <Riddell> (best not to joke about that sort of thing BarkingFish, it can be hard to tell if it's a joke on IRC)
[21:50] <BarkingFish> I upgraded and got to within 20 files of finishing, and my system hung like saddam. I couldn't move, no VT access, zip.  I forced a poweroff & reboot, and was left with an empty PC and 220GB of lost data
[21:50] <valorie> oh, question on the alternate CD
[21:50] <BarkingFish> Riddell, I am utterly serious.  I am not by any means joking.
[21:50] <valorie> the only one I find listed is the alternate-Mac one
[21:50] <valorie> lost data!?
[21:51] <valorie> horrible
[21:51] <maco> um thats some very graphic imagery
[21:51] <BarkingFish> This machine is my access to my only one true thing I enjoy, and I was so furious at everything going feet up last night, I almost did a number on myself
[21:51] <valorie> I had an upgrade like that a long time ago
[21:51] <valorie> it left me feeling damn bad
[21:52] <Riddell> BarkingFish: it won't have lost your /home folder
[21:52] <BarkingFish> Riddell, it lost everything.  
[21:52] <BarkingFish> I mean the whole lot. Docs, downloads, pictures, music, my lp setup, bzr, the whole enchilada from top to bottom, all 220.65GB
[21:53] <BarkingFish> all the sources for the stuff I worked on too
[21:53] <Riddell> BarkingFish: on an upgrade?  there's nothing that would corrupt a disk or format a disk there unless the disk had a hardware fault
[21:54] <BarkingFish> The disk is fine.  It's barely 3 months old and has only had kubuntu on it.
[21:55] <BarkingFish> In all seriousness, that was just about the most disappointing experience I've had with a system upgrade in almost 11 years of linux.
[21:56] <Riddell> BarkingFish: so did you boot a live image and mount the filesystem?
[21:56]  * valorie sends {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} to BarkingFish
[21:57] <BarkingFish> Riddell, yes.
[21:57] <BarkingFish> I have 11.04 on a Pendrive
[21:58] <Riddell> BarkingFish: hmm, btrfs?
[21:58] <BarkingFish> awhositwhatnow? 
[21:58]  * BarkingFish looks bemused
[21:58] <maco> BarkingFish: what filesystem is the disk?
[21:58] <BarkingFish> the Pendrive or the one I lost?
[21:59] <maco> i think he means the kaboom one
[21:59] <BarkingFish> ext4
[21:59] <BarkingFish> with a very small 2.2GB as swap
[22:00] <Riddell> so it was a different system as the one in bug 873411 ?
[22:01] <BarkingFish> no
[22:01] <BarkingFish> it was the same one
[22:02] <Riddell> well that bug was due to btrfs
[22:03] <BarkingFish> i don't know what btrfs is, could you expand please?
[22:03] <BarkingFish> That was filed before the death of my kit last night
[22:06] <Riddell> it's a filesystem
[22:06] <Riddell> it's not our default so it's probably not well tested
[22:06] <BarkingFish> well if you look at the fstab I posted, you'll see my primary disk was ext4
[22:07] <BarkingFish> and the only other disk in my machine was ntfs
[22:08] <BarkingFish> sda1 was ext4, as was sda6, and sda5 was swap - sdb1, my workhorse disk, was ntfs
[22:13] <Riddell> hum
[22:13] <Riddell> ok it's something to do with the programme apt-btrfs-snapshot
[22:14] <Riddell> but it's getting beyond my ken
[22:14] <Riddell> BarkingFish: data loss is very nasty though as you'll be aware so you should report the problem on that bug (or another one if you think it's unrelated)
[22:14] <Riddell> on update-manager
[22:16] <Quintasan> BarkingFish: I'm pretty much sure you'd be able to recover much data from the partition if you umount it and not write to it and try extundelete
[22:16] <Quintasan> BarkingFish: http://extundelete.sourceforge.net/
[22:17] <Quintasan> BarkingFish: I think we have a package for that in repo as well
[22:17] <Quintasan> !info extundelete
[23:03] <debfx> apachelogger: do you have an idea how we could switch to xz compression of binary packages since lp requires a pre-depends on dpkg (>= ...)?
[23:04] <debfx> we'd have to somehow convince dpkg-gencontrol to add that automatically