[00:03] * Riddell snoozes too [00:06] oh wow, at least we don't have a topic "Religious and political views in packages" poor old opensuse-factory list [00:10] * Darkwing sighs [00:20] Smooth upgrade, except removing my wallpaper and changing back to the defaukt [00:30] I don't use KDE PIM, so I can't tell anything about that, but Kubuntu Oneiric is awesome, as always, good work, thank you [00:30] and good night [01:06] I miss all the action it seems :/ I need a different non-time-consuming job [01:09] hehehe [01:09] claydoh: At least you *have* a job. [01:11] want one? i am hiring burger flippers :) [01:12] hehehe [01:12] In san diego? [01:13] no [01:13] Bugger [01:14] 7.50 an hour :) [01:15] may not be worth it [01:15] may not be worth it [01:15] ok laggy [01:16] :) [01:16] Yeah.... I'm getting more in my unemployment at the moment... :P:P [01:16] yeah [01:17] hrmpf [01:17] my wife sure didn't, but that was 6 or so years back [01:19] Darkwing: do you know c and/or perl and have an interest in moving to maryland? [01:24] apachelogger, ping [02:32] rbelem: drunk pong [02:32] shadeslayer: kubuntu-mobile or something [02:34] ah [02:34] mailing list is depressing [02:34] awesome [02:36] * apachelogger actually mentioned his concerns for reliablity of pim 4.7 plenty of times before we switched :S [02:36] even did so at UDS :( [02:37] no one ever listens to me [02:37] * apachelogger also doesn't really stand up for his opinions :( [02:50] shadeslayer: btw, we got the regular amd64 with efi installed successfully [02:51] but using rEFIt as boot manager [02:51] works very wel [02:51] l [03:00] Following the release of Ubuntu 11.10, Canonical has just announced that its KDE based Ubuntu OS, Kubuntu, has also reached version 11.10. [03:00] good job canonical \o/ [03:09] congrats on the release, guys :) [03:09] very cool [03:09] will upgrade soon [04:47] apachelogger: ping [04:47] http://www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour says openoffice.org [04:47] Something that we should know? [06:23] Daskreech: Thanks for the deads up. [06:24] s/deads/heads/ [06:24] Darkwing meant: "Daskreech: Thanks for the heads up." [06:58] kubotu: Darkwing wishing me a deads up wasn't very reasuuring [07:01] Daskreech: I would say that nobody has updated that feature-tour in quite a while, that should be libreoffice (for post-lucid) [07:01] Yep [07:01] good morning yofel [07:02] hm, or post-maverick, not sure anymore [07:02] good morning :) [07:03] :) [07:14] Hey yofel [07:15] YES! My brother rocks. [07:15] the complete antholigy of Deadmau5. [07:15] XD [07:16] hey, and by again - bbl [07:16] *bye [09:31] * Riddell puts Markus on moderation in kubuntu-devel [09:35] Anyone seen this message about Nepomuk disabled? http://people.ubuntu.com/~ulysses/nepomukdisabled.png [09:37] 333 [09:37] meh, cat walked throug the keyboard [09:44] only when I manually kill nepomuk [09:44] I upgraded today to Oneiric, it appears on every login [10:09] sorry for the rant yesterday, won't happen again [10:10] I'm going to develop a plugin for KMail that, if it detects harsh words + the time is around 2AM prevents me to send anything anywhere [10:18] afiestas: :) [10:18] gosh, first comment on slashdot Ubuntu release thread is "I moved to Kubuntu (Score 4: Insightful) about 3 releases ago, and I've never looked back." [10:24] afiestas: I have one patch for you to develop as pennance [10:26] afiestas: you can make a choice when setting up email to choose "gmail style account" for those that use google accounts on their own domain name (like me with jussi01.com). [10:40] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OneiricUpgrades/Kubuntu typo "Upgrade to 11.04 with an alternate CD:" should be 11.10 [10:40] fixed [10:42] Lots of kmail2 complaints in #kubuntu btw apparently they don't read the release notes and try migration [10:44] hmm, I can believe that [10:52] the migration failed here :/ [11:05] btw, the only thing we can do about this at this stage, is to help upstream the most we can [11:05] KMail has a new mantainer now, it didn't a few weeks ago [11:17] afiestas: +++ [11:17] afiestas: thats what I pretty much said in my mail there (which seemed to get lost amongst the noise) [12:03] apachelogger, ping [12:03] :-D [12:03] afiestas, \o/ [12:03] rbelem: yes? [12:04] apachelogger, a talked to rsalveti yesterday [12:05] apachelogger, he said the he cant give us an arm ppa, but he can upload ours packages to his arm ppa and send back the binaries [12:06] apachelogger, and he said that kubuntu-mobile images can be host by linaro [12:07] apachelogger, he asked me to generate the images using live-build [12:07] hmmm [12:08] :-) [12:09] rbelem: that actually seems like a good enough solution [12:10] with we can copy the entire package from his ppa to ours [12:10] including the binaries [12:10] so management effort is rather low [12:12] apachelogger, he said that he cant give us a ppa because the farm is small and some builds may damage the hardware [12:13] yeah, the usual reason [12:13] but I think building elsewhere and then copying to our PPA is good enough [12:14] plus we have our own farm for random testbuilds anyway [12:14] which reminds me .... NCommander: any progress on getting those machines upgrade? [12:16] * rbelem hopes linaro guys manage to get arm cross toolchain ready to use soon [12:51] debfx: I believe your change to kds broke plasma netbook now [12:52] or the sal containment at large [12:52] because it has a 'tab' for contacts [12:52] which is in fact using the runner [12:52] fortunately enough turning off the runner will not cause visual indiciation in the feature [12:52] so it will just appear to not be working [12:53] FWIW though ... last I tried it did not work to begin with [13:04] apachelogger: we don't even install those krunner plugins by default so how can disabling them cause problems? [13:05] we don't? [13:05] ah, it is an entire pile of bugs then [13:05] cool [13:06] * apachelogger trusts debfx to take care of this and prepares for some hacker party [13:07] no, they are in plasma-runners-addons [13:15] apachelogger: I have never used the netbook interface so no idea what's going on there [14:04] rbelem: is docummented anywhere what configuration is needed in order to have samba share working properly? [14:05] afiestas, not yet [14:06] afiestas, did you manage to get is sharing properly? [14:38] rbelem: nope === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [15:40] uh... can someone with the -proposed archive enabled try to disable it in software-properties-kde? [15:40] doesn't work for me in oneiric [15:43] more like, when I uncheck a checkbox on the 'Updates' tab, as soon as I move the mouse away it gets checked again O.O [15:45] yofel: same here for all checkboxes under "Kubuntu updates" [15:48] bug 819793 [15:48] Launchpad bug 819793 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "Can't uncheck proposed or usupported boxes in Kubuntu updates sorftware sources" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/819793 [15:49] yofel: same here [15:49] bug 826539 is for the gtk one, but only for backports [15:49] Launchpad bug 826539 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "can't uncheck unsupported updates in regular ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/826539 [15:50] bug 791491 [15:50] Launchpad bug 791491 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "Cannot uncheck "Unsupported updates" checkbox in KPackageKit" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791491 === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [16:12] Goddamn [16:12] yofel, debfx: Can you try adding a new entry using kmenuedit? [16:13] Quintasan: where? [16:13] yofel: in Kickoff obviously [16:13] * Quintasan tried adding World of Goo to Games today [16:13] but when I clicked on Save it started processing and then disappeard [16:14] The progress bar when saving [16:16] Quintasan: worked for me (adding a custom entry for s-p-k under lost and found) [16:16] :/ [16:17] * yofel is trying to understand software-properties code [16:17] pyth0rn [16:53] jockey is weirdly defunct [16:53] there is also some rubbish about appindicator3 and whatnot [16:56] ok [16:56] now this was utterly confusing and suprisingly easy to fix... [17:01] lol [17:01] precise is already open [17:05] there are still a lot of 4.7.2 packages that need uploading to oneiric-proposed [17:08] (remember to reference bug #872506 in the changelog) [17:08] Launchpad bug 872506 in kde4libs (Ubuntu Oneiric) "SRU tracking bug for KDE 4.7.2" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/872506 [17:14] [software-properties] Philip Muškovac * 724 * softwareproperties/kde/SoftwarePropertiesKDE.py Fix KDE UI not being able to disable update repositories [17:18] now I need to get a hold of mvo... [17:26] * Quintasan updates the wiki [17:29] * Quintasan grabs libkdeedu [17:31] libkdeedu uploaded [17:56] * Quintasan grabs libkexiv2 [17:58] [libkdeedu] Michal Zajac * 15 * debian/changelog New upstream release (LP: #872506) === bulldog98_ is now known as bulldog98 [18:01] meh, archive.u.c is painfully slow === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [18:04] [libkexiv2] Michal Zajac * 23 * debian/changelog New upstream release (LP: #872506) [18:05] I wonder where is Scott [18:07] Quintasan: he is taking a break from ubuntu development, see ubuntu-devel list [18:09] Ah [18:09] I see [18:28] debfx: how did you decide if it's worth to backport? unpack both packages and run diff -ruN ? [18:28] *worth to SRU [18:28] yofel: I grabbed the diffs from the ninjas ppa [18:28] ah [18:29] good idea [18:41] * yofel grabs rocs [18:54] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/rocs] Philip Muškovac * 15 * debian/changelog New upstream release (LP: #872506) [18:59] can anyone please tell me how to load a project in QtCreator? (I have the source code of the project) [19:23] evening === seawolf is now known as tremendo === yofel_ is now known as yofel [20:28] [software-properties] Philip Muškovac * 725 * softwareproperties/kde/SoftwarePropertiesKDE.py throw the now unused loop out [21:31] late saying it, but awesome effort, team [21:31] and great product [21:31] I can't wait to upgrade this laptop, but my netbook is doing great on 11.10 [21:32] upgrading two days before flying to Cali with it doesn't seem smart though [21:36] valorie: you're not late saying it, you have another 5 months and 29 days to keep saying it [21:36] heh [21:37] it felt good to contribute a bit more to this release [21:37] hope to increase that in Precise [21:37] it will be good to have you back at the helm, Riddell [21:45] aww, thanks :) [21:45] are you coming to UDS valorie? [21:46] nope -- heading to Google this week [21:46] oh? mentors summit? [21:46] there simply isn't enough time between the two events [21:46] sadly [21:46] Doc Camp and then Mentor's Summit [21:46] what's Doc Camp? [21:46] I expect to be wrung out by the end of the week [21:47] shadeslayer and two other guys are coming from India [21:47] and we're going to write a book about how to get involved in developing KDE [21:47] fortunately they know the facts [21:47] a book? like a full novel? [21:48] I'll be there to edit, etc. [21:48] Well at least I got back... Is it possible to upgrade from 04 to 10 without using an over the net install? I had hell with mine yesterday. [21:48] I only got back on the net about 2 or 3 hours ago [21:48] BarkingFish: you can try using the alternate CD [21:48] this will be published on teh ....fossdocs? website [21:48] Riddell, yesterday bought me within 10 minutes of calling the samaritans. I was practically on the edge of doing something unpleasant. [21:49] #kde-doc-camp is where we are hanging out if you are interested in adding to the work [21:49] (best not to joke about that sort of thing BarkingFish, it can be hard to tell if it's a joke on IRC) [21:50] I upgraded and got to within 20 files of finishing, and my system hung like saddam. I couldn't move, no VT access, zip. I forced a poweroff & reboot, and was left with an empty PC and 220GB of lost data [21:50] oh, question on the alternate CD [21:50] Riddell, I am utterly serious. I am not by any means joking. [21:50] the only one I find listed is the alternate-Mac one [21:50] lost data!? [21:51] horrible [21:51] um thats some very graphic imagery [21:51] This machine is my access to my only one true thing I enjoy, and I was so furious at everything going feet up last night, I almost did a number on myself [21:51] I had an upgrade like that a long time ago [21:51] it left me feeling damn bad [21:52] BarkingFish: it won't have lost your /home folder [21:52] Riddell, it lost everything. [21:52] I mean the whole lot. Docs, downloads, pictures, music, my lp setup, bzr, the whole enchilada from top to bottom, all 220.65GB [21:53] all the sources for the stuff I worked on too [21:53] BarkingFish: on an upgrade? there's nothing that would corrupt a disk or format a disk there unless the disk had a hardware fault [21:54] The disk is fine. It's barely 3 months old and has only had kubuntu on it. [21:55] In all seriousness, that was just about the most disappointing experience I've had with a system upgrade in almost 11 years of linux. [21:56] BarkingFish: so did you boot a live image and mount the filesystem? [21:56] * valorie sends {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} to BarkingFish [21:57] Riddell, yes. [21:57] I have 11.04 on a Pendrive [21:58] BarkingFish: hmm, btrfs? [21:58] awhositwhatnow? [21:58] * BarkingFish looks bemused [21:58] BarkingFish: what filesystem is the disk? [21:58] the Pendrive or the one I lost? [21:59] i think he means the kaboom one [21:59] ext4 [21:59] with a very small 2.2GB as swap [22:00] so it was a different system as the one in bug 873411 ? [22:00] Launchpad bug 873411 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Unable to upgrade to 11.10 using kpackagekit" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873411 [22:01] no [22:01] it was the same one [22:02] well that bug was due to btrfs [22:03] i don't know what btrfs is, could you expand please? [22:03] That was filed before the death of my kit last night [22:06] it's a filesystem [22:06] it's not our default so it's probably not well tested [22:06] well if you look at the fstab I posted, you'll see my primary disk was ext4 [22:07] and the only other disk in my machine was ntfs [22:08] sda1 was ext4, as was sda6, and sda5 was swap - sdb1, my workhorse disk, was ntfs [22:13] hum === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [22:13] ok it's something to do with the programme apt-btrfs-snapshot [22:14] but it's getting beyond my ken [22:14] BarkingFish: data loss is very nasty though as you'll be aware so you should report the problem on that bug (or another one if you think it's unrelated) [22:14] on update-manager [22:16] BarkingFish: I'm pretty much sure you'd be able to recover much data from the partition if you umount it and not write to it and try extundelete [22:16] BarkingFish: http://extundelete.sourceforge.net/ [22:17] BarkingFish: I think we have a package for that in repo as well [22:17] !info extundelete [22:17] extundelete (source: extundelete): utility to recover deleted files from ext3/ext4 partition. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.0-1 (oneiric), package size 52 kB, installed size 168 kB [23:03] apachelogger: do you have an idea how we could switch to xz compression of binary packages since lp requires a pre-depends on dpkg (>= ...)? [23:04] we'd have to somehow convince dpkg-gencontrol to add that automatically