[00:03] <amichair_> aperson: neither of these links mention upgrading from a desktop cd... what am I missing?
[00:03] <Daskreech> amichair_: you can't upgrade from a CD
[00:05] <amichair_> Daskreech: is there any way to use one to reduce the required downloads? like copying packages from the cd to the package cache or anything like that?
[00:05] <Daskreech> There are no packages on the CD
[00:05] <Daskreech> there are packages on the DVD
[00:05] <Daskreech> but that of course is not reducing the downloads
[00:06] <amichair_> Daskreech: ah, ok. I thought in 700mb there's got to be some packages :-)
[00:06] <Daskreech> Nope :)
[00:06] <Daskreech> 2GB of System files
[00:07] <amichair_> Daskreech: so it's basically pre-unpacked stuff?
[00:07] <amichair_> and only the alternate cd is still packed?
[00:30] <Mausschubser> Daskreech:  thanks for your help
[00:30] <Mausschubser> good night room
[00:40] <Daskreech> amichair_: sort of
[00:41] <Daskreech> It's the system already installed then compressed to a CD
[00:41] <Daskreech> "installing" is just copying it to your computer
[01:29] <jmichaelx> has anyone else in here had issues with google chrome crashing off and on, since many, many months ago?
[01:45] <mr-rich> so, 11.10 switches back to Openoffice?
[02:09] <izaki> exit
[02:31] <dvivgadfp> kubuntulover@KDEDesktop ~ $ xrandr --output "DVI-0" --mode "1920x1080"
[02:31] <dvivgadfp> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[02:31] <dvivgadfp> warning: output DVI-0 not found; ignoring
[02:31] <dvivgadfp> What do i put for --output, or how do I find out what to put there
[02:31] <dvivgadfp> Thanks in advance~!
[02:32] <kesten_> anybody able to help with a screwed up python dpkg on ubuntu 11.04?
[02:33] <kesten_> When i try to install packages, i get errors when it comes to updating python dependencies.
[02:35] <tri_> hi
[02:42] <Daskreech> Hi
[02:43] <Daskreech> dvivgadfp: what are you trynig to do?
[02:43] <Daskreech> kesten_: what are the errors can you pastebin them?
[02:44] <dvivgadfp> Daskreech Just trying to set the resolution. System Settings didn't detect it. I did successfully add the proper resolution to the list in xrandr, but it doesn't show in system settings. Trying to just set the proper resolution for this session
[02:44] <dvivgadfp> Can't do anything requiring a restart as I'm out of a hard drive until a replacement arrives, running kubuntu live with toram
[02:45] <Daskreech> dvivgadfp: try xrandr -0
[02:45] <dvivgadfp> Daskreech: thanks~
[02:46] <dvivgadfp> Daskreech: xrandr -0 gives me usage info
[02:46] <Daskreech> Hmm
[02:46] <Daskreech> ok
[02:46] <Daskreech> wait is there a -s ?
[02:46] <Daskreech> I think it may be -s 0 sorry
[02:48] <dvivgadfp> Daskreech: Thanks, I'll give it a shot!
[02:49] <dvivgadfp> Daskreech: Okay, that brought me to 1600x1200.
[02:49] <Daskreech> hmmm
[02:50] <Daskreech> are you sure your monitor can go higher? that's normally the highest your monitor that -s 0 detects
[02:50] <dvivgadfp> Oh, ya. Before my hard drive conked out I was running two monitors, one 1920x1080, the other 1920x1200
[02:51] <dvivgadfp> worked fine in any OS I tossed at it, too.
[02:55] <Daskreech> Grr
[02:55] <Daskreech> I'm too zoned out to think too much on this
[02:56] <Daskreech>  Ask in #phoronix they are pretty detailed about videocards and so on
[02:56] <dvivgadfp> Daskreech: No problem, If all else fails I'll just abandon this live session and try some other disk and hope it gets it automatically. I'd just like to avoid it after downloading all the applications I need to the ramdisk and configuring everything, heh
[02:56] <Daskreech> Oh this is the live disk
[02:57] <dvivgadfp> My mistake, really... shouldn't have done that until AFTER i figure out the res
[02:57] <Daskreech> ah it may be RAM constrained then?
[02:57] <dvivgadfp> 8GB ram, not using too much
[02:57] <dvivgadfp> Thanks for the channel, though didn't know about #phoronix
[02:58] <Daskreech> Great set of guys. VEry dogmatic. Watch out for wars and step to the side when they start shooting
[02:58] <dvivgadfp> lol, thanks for the heads up, I'll bring a helmet
[02:59] <dvivgadfp> Wow, I'm using a lot less RAM than I thought, actually: 1.3GB of 7.8GB
[03:00] <Daskreech> Welcome to KDE and UNIX shared libraries
[03:00] <Daskreech> And considering you are running the whole OS in RAM  :)
[03:00] <dvivgadfp> Beautiful.
[03:00] <Daskreech> A photoshop filter probably takes that much RAM
[03:01] <dvivgadfp> I meanm puppy linux is impressive for doing this on miniscule amounts of ram.. but considering I'm running fancy KDE in fancymode with stuff installed.. that's awesome
[03:01] <dvivgadfp> almost more impressive than puppy, to me
[03:02] <Daskreech> Remember teaching Linux to someone and they were saying that they shouldn't use Linux since they built a monster machine
[03:03] <Daskreech> Nope ifyou want Linux to kill that machine it will :)
[03:03] <dvivgadfp> Holy crap.I think I should get some sleep before I do more, though. I almost considered restarting... and I have some models I haven't uploaded to my dropbox yet
[03:03] <Daskreech>  If you want it to back off and leave all your resources free it will
[03:03] <Daskreech> It's really a nice setup
[03:04] <dvivgadfp> Daskreech: I love linux. The only thing that keeps me on a dual boot currently are zbrush, fl studio and unity3d.
[03:04] <dvivgadfp> fl I can run in wine, so that's moot.. zbrush with some tinkering, too
[03:04] <dvivgadfp> so I hope the unity3d devs port their engine over eventually and I can ditch windows
[03:10] <dvivgadfp> Daskreech: Anyway thanks for the pointers~! I'd been through 3 help chats without any luck, so you were a huge help just by giving me an idea and a 'link'
[03:10] <dvivgadfp> I'll be afk for the night though, don't feel safe touching more stuff =P
[03:11] <Daskreech> :) OK
[03:12] <kesten_> Daskreech: what is postbin?
[03:12] <Daskreech> !pastebin
[03:13] <kesten_> brand new to irc.  Where do i find the channel topic?
[03:14] <kesten_> Very cool.  Here's the error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/707707/
[03:14] <Daskreech> !topic
[03:15] <kesten_> !topic
[03:16] <kesten_> Ah, perhaps i should be looking on the #ubuntu channel then.
[03:18] <Daskreech> kesten_: ha no read the factoid. If you want to see the topic you type /topic
[03:19] <Daskreech> kesten_: can you try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install python-gmenu
[03:22] <kesten_> thanks, still get
[03:22] <kesten_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:22] <kesten_>  gimp
[03:22] <kesten_>  python-gmenu
[03:23] <Daskreech> kesten_: try sudo apt-get -f install
[03:23] <kesten_> I was following a blender installation tutorial and made a mistake.  I think it messed up dpkg's config of python.
[03:24] <Daskreech> kesten_: sorry
[03:24] <Daskreech> sudo dpkg -f install
[03:24] <kesten_> I'd like to know what sudo update-alternatives --config python should give me.
[03:25] <kesten_> kesten@kesten-K42Jr:~/blender-svn/blender$ sudo dpkg -f install
[03:25] <kesten_> dpkg-deb: error: failed to read archive `install': No such file or directory
[03:25] <Daskreech> Ahh. What alternative to python are you configuring?
[03:26] <Daskreech> ok try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:28] <kesten_> Will try.  Here is my config. http://paste.ubuntu.com/707714/
[03:30] <kesten_> I get:
[03:30] <kesten_> Setting up gimp (2.6.11-1ubuntu6.2) ...
[03:30] <kesten_> /var/lib/dpkg/info/gimp.postinst: 11: update-python-modules: Permission denied
[03:32] <Daskreech> permission denied?
[03:32] <Daskreech> >_>
[03:32] <Daskreech> ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/gimp.postinst
[03:32] <Daskreech> You can paste the line from that here
[03:33] <kesten_> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 468 2011-09-21 11:07 /var/lib/dpkg/info/gimp.postinst
[03:39] <Daskreech> permission denied eh?
[03:39] <Daskreech> Hmm
[03:40] <kesten_> the complete saga of what may have gone wrong: http://paste.ubuntu.com/707716/
[04:01] <Daskreech> kesten__: what's python --version say now
[04:05] <kesten__> ha: bash: /usr/bin/python: Is a directory
[04:06] <kesten__> It was pointing to /usr/bin/python3.2 previously, but i thought that might be causing version problems so i tried to point it back to python2.7.
[04:08] <kesten__> if i run sudo update-alternatives --config python and select the path to python3.2 i get
[04:08] <kesten__> kesten@kesten-K42Jr:~/blender-svn/blender$ python --version
[04:08] <kesten__> Python 3.2
[04:17] <nate_> hi does anybody see this I am testing if I am connected
[04:17] <kesten__> i see you nate
[04:18] <nate_> cool , what type of irc (i.e what topics ...?)
[04:19] <Daskreech> nate_: support in the channel for Kubuntu
[04:20] <Daskreech> kesten__: so you have a working python but apt-get doesn't know about it?
[04:21] <kesten__> Daskreech: I corrected my path to python2.7 .  Then i switched --config to point to 2.7 .  Now voila,
[04:21] <kesten__> kesten@kesten-K42Jr:~/blender-svn/blender$ python --version
[04:21] <kesten__> Python 2.7.1+
[04:21] <kesten__> kesten@kesten-K42Jr:~/blender-svn/blender$ sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:21] <kesten__> Setting up gimp (2.6.11-1ubuntu6.2) ...
[04:21] <kesten__> Setting up python-gmenu (2.30.5-0ubuntu3) ...
[04:21] <kesten__> Looks like it works now!
[04:21] <FloodBotK2> kesten__: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:21] <FloodBotK1> kesten__: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:21] <nate_> Ok , I have just compiled my first linux kernel. It gives me bzlinuz but I am curious if I wanted build an os from scratch what other packages do I need?
[04:21] <Daskreech> kesten__: Hooray :)
[04:22] <Daskreech> nate_: try bash
[04:22] <nate_> I have compiled coreutils that gave my all the common exe like dd , df , du , grep ,...etc
[04:23] <nate_> But I am curious how the etc ,opt , proc , usr ,...folders get created ?
[04:26] <Daskreech> nate_: by the bootstrap?
[04:26] <nate_> Also downloaded grup and installed that
[04:27] <Daskreech> fun :)
[04:29] <nate_> I am wondering how the other folders are created  /dev , /proc ,...etc I know /media and /mnt can just be created with mkdir from coreutils but what about the other folders and files
[04:35] <nate_> Assuming you are under cygwin and compiled a linux kernel, have grub , what packages must you need to create the other folders for a linux distro?
[04:36] <nate_> I also have coreutils that create some folders but not all that is why I am wondering where the other folders get created from what packages?
[04:44] <Daskreech> nate_: /dev and /proc are virtual folders. they do not really exist
[04:44] <Daskreech> Technically you need coreutils, some shell like bash or busybox and the kernel
[04:45] <mr-rich> so, 11.10 is switching back to Openoffice?
[04:45] <Daskreech> mr-rich: link
[04:46] <mr-rich> Daskreech: http://www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour
[04:46] <mr-rich> it sez Openoffice, not Libreoffice ...
[04:47] <Daskreech> Ha ha nice :)
[04:47] <Daskreech> mr-rich: I'll talk to someone about that but I think it's probably a copy paste error
[04:47] <infinitum> hello
[04:47] <Daskreech> Hello
[04:48] <infinitum> where are you from?
[04:48] <mr-rich> Daskreech: Do you work for Ubuntu?
[04:49] <nate_> thats all you need coreutils , bash , and the kernel + grub to boot it , then where does all the other folders come from on those linux distro's
[04:51] <Daskreech> mr-rich: Not quite sure what that would mean but lets say no
[04:51] <Daskreech> nate_: They aren't needed for the most part
[05:05] <nate_> That is hard to believe since I use /dev for device files , etc , usr, var contains alot of programs but your saying I can put those files where ever I want
[05:06] <nate_> So i could create a linux os that has a totally different directory structure ?
[05:08] <semitones> hey, would anyone be able to take a look at this bug I posted? It's about installing kubuntu-desktop: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/854370
[05:08] <SunTsu> nate_: you could create a linux installation with a different directory layout, but I doubt that it is a good idea
[05:08] <semitones> i want to see if i'm really off base suggesting that, or if it makes sense
[05:09] <nate_> For what reason? as long as everything is in the path then I cann't see what could go wrong?
[05:10] <nate_> and coreutils has the path command
[05:11] <rapidsp> hi
[05:11] <SunTsu> nate_: well, you would need to touch lots of things, like installation target paths, MANPATH, lots of stuff relying on things being where POSIX and FHS want them to be
[05:12] <rapidsp> where is kmail settings (data sources) now?
[05:12] <rapidsp> kubuntu 11.10
[05:13] <SunTsu> nate_: nate_ doable, but lots of work and only recommended when you really know what you are doing - which I take the liberty to doubt ;)
[05:16] <nate_> I see then for now I am interested in how/where the dev , proc , sys folders are created
[05:17] <avihay> nate_: As far as I understand, the directories in the root are also divided like that by the way the files are being used. it would make sense to mount them on different media types to complement their access usage/type
[05:17] <avihay> or even just file systems
[05:19] <nate_> I know they are used I use dev to access alot of devices , but I don't know how this is tied to the compiled kernel I have
[05:19] <Demicolon9> Silly novice question: How do I tell KpackageKit to stop bugging me about the available distribution upgrade? (I'm really happy to finally have a stable setup and don't want to change things for a while)
[05:19] <Kalidarn> hi, just upgraded and i'm getting an issue with the network not able to be detected and long boot times but when i login the network is actually detected
[05:19] <Kalidarn> is there a solution to this?
[05:20] <Kalidarn> then when i login i get another error
[05:20] <SunTsu> nate_: those directories are created on first install
[05:21] <Kalidarn> "Warning: Cannot open ConsoleKit session: Unable to open session: Failed to connect to sucket 'var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused"
[05:21] <SunTsu> nate_: /dev/ is a convention, you can create device files all over the place, still, if you expect programs to find them you best leave them under /dev
[05:21] <nate_> yes, that is if you download a distro I am starting from scratch and have just the kernel , grub , coreutils?
[05:22] <SunTsu> nate_: look at the linux from scratch website
[05:22] <SunTsu> it explains it all and guides you to a working system
[05:22] <nate_> really you can create device files that work like /dev/hda1 , /dev/dsp ,...etc
[05:22] <avihay> Demicolon9: there are options somewhere, but I recommand you remove kpackagekit, and install a real package manager
[05:23] <SunTsu> and I still think that this is the wrong place to discuss that
[05:23] <Demicolon9> avihay, Already using synaptic ;)
[05:23] <avihay> good!
[05:23] <Demicolon9> avihay, Don't know how I didn't think of just uninstalling KpackageKit,lol
[05:23] <nate_> I have it has a pdf that tells you about some of the packages that is how I got coreutils
[05:23] <avihay> remove it and it will stop trying to break your system
[05:23] <Demicolon9> avihay, Thanks xD
[05:24] <avihay> I have, and I don't have issues
[05:24] <SunTsu> nate_: all that counts is that they are special files like block devices and have certain major/minor numbers. Things like devfs create them on the fly, still you can create them with makedev - some e.B. rootkits do that
[05:26] <nate_> is their some way to create dev files with just using coreutils that I compiled ?
[05:27] <SunTsu> chintan: depends on what they contain
[05:28] <nate_> makedev where is that located ?
[05:28] <SunTsu> er, withcout chintan: - was meant for nate_
[05:28] <SunTsu> nate_: maybe you might want to visit some linux from scratch channel, last I checked this was about kubuntu
[05:31] <ssfdre38> is there a way to switch from gdm to kdm for boot up cause the update switched it from kdm to gdm
[05:46] <ssfdre38> im not even going to say anything about his name
[06:00] <Demicolon9> =O I've finally achieved it! Fully accelerated 720p flash video, on a dual monitor setup, without screen tearing!
[06:00]  * Demicolon9 celebrates *
[06:03] <Demicolon9> Turns out my final mistake was the easiest one to fix. The timing of vsync seems to be set to the right display, rather than the left one, so that's why it was tearing on the left.
[06:03] <Demicolon9> so I'm just watching there now =P
[06:21] <Eruaran> Does anybody know how to fix the digital clock so it actually shows 12hour time instead of 24?
[06:22] <Demicolon9> Eruaran, afaik that's a system wide setting. At least the widgets dealing with other things that are metric vs. imperial are controlled by the system-wide options
[06:23] <Eruaran> The time format in my local settings are as follows - PH:MM:SS AMPM
[06:23] <Eruaran> The digital clock will not show 12 hour time.
[06:25] <Demicolon9> Eruaran, In locale-> 'Other' what options are set
[06:26] <Eruaran> How is page size, measurement system, and byte size units relavent?
[06:27] <Demicolon9> measurement system is what lots of plasma widgets (addmitedly lazyly) check
[06:27] <Eruaran> its in metric (as it should be)
[06:28] <Eruaran> System Settings is showing 5:28pm but the widget will not show 12 hour time
[06:29] <Demicolon9> Eruaran, try hour as HH
[06:29] <Demicolon9> instead of PH
[06:29] <Demicolon9> scuse me hH not HH
[06:30] <Eruaran> that changes it to 24 hour time
[06:30] <Eruaran> exactly what I don't want
[06:31] <Demicolon9> Eruaran,  sorry I got your issue backwards.. with timje set to PH:MM:SS AMPM, my clock shows Night/Day
[06:31] <Eruaran> System Settings shows the time correctly. The digital clock on the panel does not.
[06:31] <Demicolon9> have you relogged and/or deleted and reset the widget since since the change
[06:31] <Eruaran> I have tried everything
[06:32] <Eruaran> removing the widget and replacing, relogged, rebooted
[06:32] <Demicolon9> Eruaran, wow. Sorry to not be of much help, then. All I can say is with the same settings, for me, it's working
[06:33] <Demicolon9> both as panel clock and as desktop widget
[06:39] <tdignan> I can see the mic from my webcam in alsamixer, and I put it at the top priority in "Phonon" in System Preferences, but Cheese is not using it to record audio
[06:39] <tdignan> How can I fix this? It seems Cheese does not have a preference for it.
[06:40] <tdignan> :( now its even working in pulseaudio.
[06:41] <tdignan> but not in cheese
[06:41] <nate_> what is the difference between GTK+ and Gnome?
[06:42] <nate_> is GTK+ just the library that Gnome was built with?
[06:42] <tdignan> GTK+ is a library. Gnome is a desktop environment
[06:42] <tdignan> yes, and several others
[06:42] <nate_> others like?
[06:42] <nate_> other then kde
[06:42] <floown> Hello. I'm trying upgrade to Kubuntu 11.10 but it seems to stop at 60% with the nautilus-dropbox packet. Can I kill the process and release it with a command?
[06:43] <Arnold> If you want to compare a library, that would be QT instead.
[06:43] <GirlyGirl> floown: Yes you can
[06:43] <floown> GirlyGirl: ok, and what's the command, please?
[06:44] <GirlyGirl> floown: Is it at installing stage or download stage?
[06:45] <floown> GirlyGirl: ? Hum.... I have install it truth the configuration panel, in graphic mode
[06:56] <GirlyGirl> floown: are you upgrading right now?
[06:57] <floown> GirlyGirl: thx, it's ok, I have kill the windows and have continue with a sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:57] <GirlyGirl> floown: That's fine ... when you finish run "sudo apt-get install -f" to be safe
[06:58] <GirlyGirl> floown: then "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[06:58] <yofel> don't forget to run 'sudo apt-get install -f' and 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' after that (it's ok if both commands do nothing)
[06:59] <Daskreech> mr-rich: should be fixed to say LibreOffice soon thanks
[06:59] <tdignan> I can see that my webcam mic is in pavucontrol and working, but apps cant read it when I set mic to "pulse"
[06:59] <tdignan> any ideas?
[06:59] <Daskreech> nate_: It needs to have /etc/ and /root on the same partition as /
[07:00] <Daskreech> nate_: /dev is not real it's just there to be nice to the user
[07:04] <GirlyGirl> I have a funny conflict with gnome/unity and kde .... when ever I start kde after leaving gnome , kde crashes back to kdm. On the second attempt it works but desktop effects fail and need some manual work to get it working again.
[07:05] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: try lighdm
[07:05] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: try lightdm
[07:05] <GirlyGirl> phoenix_firebrd: Sorry, I'm not
[07:06] <GirlyGirl> Nothing to do with KDM, if I use only KDE it works fine
[07:06] <GirlyGirl> I am about to remove gnome actuall, I was just wondering if there is a fix
[07:07] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: what is the compositer you are using?
[07:08] <emomilol> oh disturbing thing in kde. when singleklicking besides tabs in chromium, it for some reason makes window small. any hints on why?
[07:09] <GirlyGirl> phoenix_firebrd: kwin for kde, mutter for gnome-shell and compiz for unity
[07:10] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: ok
[07:10] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: do you see any error messages in the systemlog?
[07:11] <GirlyGirl> phoenix_firebrd: let me check
[07:11] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: can you post a snapshot here?
[07:12] <GirlyGirl> phoenix_firebrd: no
[07:12] <phoenix_firebrd> one min
[07:13] <emomilol> phoenix_firebrd: http://bayimg.com/NAKJPaaDH on the blue field next to the new tab icon. if i click there it happens
[07:14] <emomilol> phoenix_firebrd: http://bayimg.com/oAKJaAaDH this happens
[07:14] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: did you try disabling the desktop effects?
[07:15] <GirlyGirl> phoenix_firebrd: Did you read my question ... why would I disable them ?
[07:15] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: This happens only in chromium right? What is your chromium version
[07:16] <GirlyGirl> phoenix_firebrd: That is not a solution as the hardware is capable of running desktop effects on kde
[07:17] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: driver fault may crash the xserver and it will land you back to kdm, so try without desktop effects
[07:17] <GirlyGirl> phoenix_firebrd: It works fine if I never login to Gnome
[07:18] <GirlyGirl> phoenix_firebrd: if I use gnome, on the first attempt to login to kde it crashes (and yes it is because desktop effects are on), on second attempt it works
[07:18] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: did you try disabling the desktop effects
[07:19] <SunTsu> GirlyGirl: anything in ~/.xsession-errors or /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[07:20] <emomilol> phoenix_firebrd: thats where it occured.
[07:20] <GirlyGirl> SunTsu: no
[07:20] <emomilol> phoenix_firebrd: 14.0.835.202
[07:20] <emomilol> phoenix_firebrd: same thing in google chrome
[07:20] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: what happens when you click the small tabs
[07:21] <emomilol> phoenix_firebrd: clicking on a tab is no problem. small or big
[07:21] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: let me check
[07:22] <GirlyGirl> phoenix_firebrd:  Only error message is from kwin "Desktop effect have been disabled because they caused kwin to crash, enable openGL detection again" somehow gnome locks up 3d acceleration for itself when you use it
[07:23] <SunTsu> GirlyGirl: maybe there's some leftovers from gnome still running that lock OpenGL
[07:23] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: Do you see anyother compositor process running when in kde
[07:23] <GirlyGirl> phoenix_firebrd: kwin is responsible for all desktop composition in kde
[07:24] <GirlyGirl> including applying composition to plasma
[07:24] <SunTsu> GirlyGirl: I'd compare ps before running gnome to ps after logging out again. BTW: does logging back into gnome work?
[07:25] <GirlyGirl> SunTsu: Same thing you have to login in gnome twice
[07:25] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: What is your graphic crad
[07:25] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: What is your graphic card
[07:26] <GirlyGirl> phoenix_firebrd: Intel Arkendale GMA 950 (27ae)
[07:27] <SunTsu> GirlyGirl: with the first re-login effectively killing X11? I have seen that occur with nvidia boxes, had that on my laptop some time ago
[07:28] <GirlyGirl> SunTsu: Yes
[07:29] <GirlyGirl> phoenix_firebrd: SunTsu Anyway, I just removed gnome unity and gnome-shell stuff as I never planned to use it anyway, I was just trying it out
[07:29] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: good
[07:30] <SunTsu> GirlyGirl: OK, if you are inclined to play around some more, maybe you could try a different graphics driver, like vesa or framebuffer
[07:30] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: for me kdm didnt work when i had unity, gnome and kde together
[07:30] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: i used lightdm
[07:31] <emomilol> phoenix_firebrd: did you find the reason on the tab thing?
[07:32] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: i am checking
[07:32] <emomilol> phoenix_firebrd: cool
[07:34] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: can you try one thing for me?
[07:35] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: goto this folder .config/chromium/Default/
[07:35] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: its in you home directory
[07:35] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: close all the instances of the chromium browser
[07:37] <nate_> I am get confused with some terminalogy what is the difference between x11, gnome , kde , GTK+ , QT, GDK?
[07:38] <emomilol> phoenix_firebrd: i am in place
[07:38] <GirlyGirl> nate_:  x11 - The process that handles GUI display, gnome, kde two desktop interfaces... gtk, qt development toolkits to make gui apps
[07:38] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: did you close all the browser instances?
[07:38] <emomilol> phoenix_firebrd: yes
[07:39] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: can you see a fine named Preferences?
[07:39] <SunTsu> nate_: x11 is tha graphics architecture, gnome and kde are desktop environments running on x11, GTK+/QT development libraries for graphical environments, gdk - another graphics library
[07:39] <emomilol> yes
[07:39] <emomilol> phoenix_firebrd: yes
[07:39] <GirlyGirl> nate_: On the windows side ... Interface is Explorer.exe .... Toolkit Winforms or Windows presentation foundation
[07:39] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: rename it to some name
[07:39] <emomilol> done
[07:40] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: now try the browser and check you get the problem?
[07:40] <GirlyGirl> nate_: And x11 is not needed because window's kernel has something similar embedded
[07:40] <emomilol> phoenix_firebrd: yes. dont you get it on your side?
[07:40] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: no
[07:40] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: problem still exists?
[07:41] <emomilol> phoenix_firebrd: yes. when clicking cursor changes to move
[07:42] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: do you have a backup of your bookmarks?
[07:43] <SunTsu> nate_: as I said earlier, you might want to start from the beginning. Maybe grab a good boot on the basics
[07:43] <emomilol> phoenix_firebrd: you suggestion to get rid of .config/chromium ? :)
[07:43] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: no just try renaming it and see if it works
[07:44] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: it is always best to have a backup
[07:44] <nate_> so would I be correct in saying all the graphics enviroments like gnome , kde, ...etc are running on x11
[07:44] <SunTsu> er "good book" of course
[07:44] <phoenix_firebrd> nate_: not for long
[07:44] <emomilol> phoenix_firebrd: yes still exists
[07:45] <phoenix_firebrd> he he
[07:45] <SunTsu> maybe I should read one about typing
[07:45] <nate_> but for now?
[07:45] <emomilol> phoenix_firebrd: only happens when window is maximized. hang on. recorded it.
[07:46] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: can you goto to tools menu in browser
[07:46] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: then to extensions
[07:46] <nate_> also is the graphical libraries like GTK+ , GDK , QT the ones that created gnome , kde ,...etc
[07:46] <SunTsu> nate_: yes, but gnome/kde are called desktop environments
[07:47] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: sorry that is not for chromium
[07:47] <SunTsu> nate_: kde is written in QT mostly while gnome AFAIK is GTK
[07:47] <SunTsu> .o0( Gnome ToolKit, non? )
[07:48] <nate_> ok , then what is GDK / what is it used for?
[07:48] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: <backup your bookmarks and purge and reinstall chromium> or <install chrome and see if the problem exists there>
[07:49] <SunTsu> nate_: there's a fabulous invention, where you can throw those acronyms and get answers, it's called search engine, may I introduce you to the most favorite one? http://google.com
[07:50] <phoenix_firebrd> nate_: start reading about linux and in 6 moths you will get a good idea of it, you know there is no fastrack way to learn properly
[07:50] <emomilol> phoenix_firebrd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug97eoktOwA
[07:50] <SunTsu> especially it's nonsense to get people write stuff that's written more precisely everywhere else
[07:51] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: did you post that video?
[07:52] <GirlyGirl> nate_: Yes gnome and kde need X11 to run
[07:52] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: omg is that your problem
[07:52] <SunTsu> OK, GTK is Gimp ToolKit, not Gnome, still close
[07:53] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: that will happen for us, that is ment to happen
[07:54] <emomilol> but why! that is so disturbing!
[07:54] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol:  ha ha ha
[07:55] <emomilol> think its not happening in gnome
[07:56] <emomilol> on double click sure, but not single click
[07:58] <phoenix_firebrd> emomilol: if you want file a wish in chromium bug reporting
[07:58] <floh79> Hi, I just installed kubuntu 11.10. But I noticed there is no aptitude.
[07:59] <floh79> So what tool replaced aptitude?
[07:59] <phoenix_firebrd> floh79: cli or gui?
[07:59] <GirlyGirl> floh79: sudo apt-get install aptitude
[07:59] <phoenix_firebrd> floh79: try muon
[07:59] <floh79> cli
[07:59] <phoenix_firebrd> floh79: aptitude was removed from 11.04 onwards
[07:59] <floh79> I want know if there are successor of aptitude.
[08:00] <floh79> phoenix_firebrd: Thanx. Do you know why?
[08:00] <phoenix_firebrd> floh79: there is some problem with aptitude
[08:00] <phoenix_firebrd> floh79: many of the developers said it breaks the system
[08:01] <phoenix_firebrd> floh79: also for saving space in the cd image they removed it
[08:01] <floh79> phoenix_firebrd: That is why I asked because I don't want break my system.
[08:01] <floh79> phoenix_firebrd: So you suggest muon?
[08:01] <phoenix_firebrd> floh79: muon is very good
[08:01] <emomilol> never heard of
[08:01] <floh79> Hm... 'man muon' tells me about Qt. Huh?
[08:01] <krise> does anybody know why i dont have a sound with amarok and youtube, but i have sount with vlc
[08:02] <phoenix_firebrd> floh79: if you feel their is any problem with dependencies try this "sudo apt-get check"
[08:02] <krise> updated yestarday
[08:02] <krise> kubuntu
[08:02] <emomilol> ah its graphical!
[08:03] <floh79> emomilol: Now you mentioned it. I found it in gui.
[08:05] <floh79> Well, thank you phoenix_firebrd.
[08:05] <phoenix_firebrd> floh79: yw
[08:05] <phoenix_firebrd> krise: can you check what is your current phonon backend
[08:06] <phoenix_firebrd> nate_: are you new to programming?
[08:06] <krise> phoenix_firebrd how can i doo that
[08:06] <phoenix_firebrd> krise: goto to system settings
[08:07] <krise> yes
[08:07] <phoenix_firebrd> krise: goto multimedia
[08:07] <phoenix_firebrd> krise: on the left panel select phonon
[08:08] <krise> yes
[08:08] <phoenix_firebrd> krise: o the right there is a tab called backend , select it
[08:08] <phoenix_firebrd> krise: In the backend list, what is on the top?
[08:08] <krise> yes
[08:08] <krise> gsstreamer
[08:09] <krise> the only one
[08:09] <krise> Gstreamer
[08:09] <phoenix_firebrd> krise: other than vlc , do you hear sound from something else, like the login sound etc
[08:10] <krise> yes i hear login sound
[08:10] <krise> only have problems in web
[08:10] <phoenix_firebrd> krise: are you using a laptop?
[08:10] <krise> and amarok
[08:10] <krise> laptop yes, probook 4520
[08:11] <phoenix_firebrd> krise: did you increase the pcm level in kmix?
[08:12] <krise> nope it looks ok
[08:13] <phoenix_firebrd> krise: while playing any audio in amarok ,can you check the volume level of it playback streams in kmix
[08:14] <krise> yes but nothing happens
[08:14] <phoenix_firebrd> krise: does think happened in 11.04 or it happens just in 11.10
[08:15] <krise> with the 11.10
[08:15] <krise> never had this problem before
[08:17] <phoenix_firebrd> krise: wait
[08:17] <krise> ok
[08:18] <krise> phoenix_firebrd i have to go
[08:18] <krise> i try to get help later
[08:18] <phoenix_firebrd> krise: ok bye
[08:18] <krise> thank you
[08:18] <phoenix_firebrd> krise: yw
[08:25] <floown> Ok, I have upgrade to 11.10 but I can't access the Kmail now. The migration tools seems to failed. How can I retrieve my mails now?
[08:26] <floown> "KMail a rencontré une erreur fatale et va s'arrêter maintenant.
[08:26] <floown> L'erreur est : Échec de la récupération de la collection de la ressource." <---------- this is the error message
[08:27] <well_laid_lawn> but it's in french
[08:27] <well_laid_lawn> !fr
[08:42] <noaXess> morning
[08:43] <noaXess> what default xorg version is in 11.10?
[08:43] <noaXess> 1.7 or 1.8?
[08:45] <Bluscream_Laptop> is anyone speaking german in here?
[08:45] <Bluscream_Laptop> is
[08:47] <GirlyGirl> Bluscream_Laptop: Go to the german channel
[08:47] <Bluscream_Laptop> whats his name
[08:48] <GirlyGirl> Bluscream_Laptop: #kubuntu-de
[08:48] <Bluscream_Laptop> thanks :-)
[08:48] <Bluscream_Laptop> omg im so stupid
[08:51] <noaXess> Bluscream_Laptop: yes.. but this is the english channel :)
[08:51] <Bluscream_Laptop> i writethis in the german chennel
[08:52] <Bluscream_Laptop> channel
[08:52] <GirlyGirl> noaXess: Just before him someone comes for french! ... I speak French luckily for him so I caught up in the right channel
[08:53] <noaXess> GirlyGirl: hehe... yeah.. but.. i think.. here are always more people and here is more knowhow then in other channels ;)..
[08:53] <noaXess> so better to learn english..
[08:54] <Bluscream_Laptop> thats right
[08:54] <GirlyGirl> noaXess: No problem for me French is a second language so I hang out in that channel too
[08:54] <noaXess> GirlyGirl: aha.. cool.. from where are you?
[08:54] <Bluscream_Laptop> germany
[08:54] <noaXess> Bluscream_Laptop: yeah.. and some error messages are normally in english ;)
[08:54] <GirlyGirl> noaXess: Uk
[08:54] <noaXess> ch
[08:54] <Bluscream_Laptop> thats what im saying
[08:55] <GirlyGirl> CLI is in english
[08:55] <noaXess> jep
[08:55] <Bluscream_Laptop> from the united kingdom
[08:55] <Bluscream_Laptop> this summer i was there
[08:55] <Bluscream_Laptop> in london
[08:55] <noaXess> hey Bluscream_Laptop.. now what's your problem? maybe we can help.. or give hints ;)
[08:56] <noaXess> and my other question..oineric, has it xorg 1.7 or 1.8 default?
[08:56] <Bluscream_Laptop> i want to change (for testing only) my ubuntuinterface to kubunteinterface
[08:57] <noaXess> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:57] <Bluscream_Laptop> lets try :-)
[08:58] <noaXess> but.. you never get back only ubuntu-desktop... it's not easy to erase kubuntu-desktop after installation
[08:58] <GirlyGirl> Bluscream_Laptop: Please stay for more then "testing purposes" :d
[08:58] <noaXess> maybe you install virtualbox and try kubuntu in a virtual machine
[08:58] <GirlyGirl> noaXess: It is very easy
[08:58] <noaXess> GirlyGirl: realy? it was difficult in earlier versions.. so if it's easy now.. then Bluscream_Laptop go ahead ;)
[08:59] <GirlyGirl> Bluscream_Laptop:  noaXess http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[08:59] <Bluscream_Laptop> f***
[08:59] <GirlyGirl> Bluscream_Laptop: noaXess  For the revese http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[08:59] <GirlyGirl> !language | Bluscream_Laptop
[08:59] <Bluscream_Laptop> there was needed 342MB Diskspace
[09:00] <noaXess> GirlyGirl: great.. # do link save; command successfully!
[09:00] <Bluscream_Laptop> more
[09:00] <Bluscream_Laptop> as i have
[09:00] <Bluscream_Laptop> i have 2 patitions one with win7 and one with ubuntu
[09:01] <noaXess> GirlyGirl: you know which xorg version is default in 11.10?
[09:01] <GirlyGirl> noaXess: let me check
[09:02] <GirlyGirl> noaXess: 1.7.6
[09:02] <Bluscream_Laptop> there was needed 342MB Diskspace more as i have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:03] <noaXess> GirlyGirl: how can 1.8 be installed? is there a ppa?
[09:03] <GirlyGirl> noaXess: xorg-edgers ppa
[09:03] <GirlyGirl> !ppa
[09:03] <noaXess> GirlyGirl: thanks... great
[09:04] <noaXess> i have a netbook with a intel gma500 graficcard.. and it is running perfect with 11.04.. but i want upgrade to 11.10 but then i need xorg 1.8 to get it running with the files from gma500-emgd ppa
[09:05] <GirlyGirl> noaXess: xorg-edgers will have the updated intel drivers too
[09:06] <GirlyGirl> noaXess: should work out of the box
[09:06] <noaXess> GirlyGirl: https://launchpad.net/~gma500/+archive/emgd-1.8
[09:06] <noaXess> GirlyGirl: so you mean with your hint, i dont need above ppa? that one from gma500 team?
[09:07] <GirlyGirl> noaXess: Check and see, if it does not work then use it
[09:07] <the_p_> hi. i have a little question to kwrite. where can i find a list of the different variables that are allowed in the header for printing? like %y and so on.
[09:07] <noaXess> GirlyGirl: fine..
[09:07] <GirlyGirl> noaXess: I would say don't use edgers
[09:07] <GirlyGirl> noaXess: use only the ppa you linked
[09:08] <ntr0py> How can i install software in Kubuntu? all i get from muon is "This operation cannot continue since proper authorization was not provided"
[09:09] <GirlyGirl> ntr0py: You type the correct password!
[09:09] <ntr0py> It does not ask for password!!!
[09:09] <GirlyGirl> ntr0py: Is this a fresh install?
[09:10] <ntr0py> yes i installed ubuntu 11.10 in virtualbox and installed gnome-shell aswell as kde-desktop
[09:11] <ntr0py> GirlyGirl: maybe there is something missing what should provide the password dialogue?
[09:13] <GirlyGirl> ntr0py: Did you try rebooting ... if that does not work "kdesu muon" should work
[09:14] <pam> Hi, am I the only one who has libre office that crash really a lot of times?
[09:14] <pam> (expecially calc)
[09:15] <GirlyGirl> pam: No mine works fine
[09:15] <anathema> hi guys. i have a bug to search where i must go?
[09:15] <GirlyGirl> pam: Which version do you have
[09:15] <GirlyGirl> anathema: bigs.kde.org if its a kde bug
[09:16] <GirlyGirl> anathema: sorry bugs.kde.org
[09:16] <GirlyGirl> anathema: If its kubuntu specific launchpad.net
[09:16] <ntr0py> GirlyGirl: There seems to be a missing depencency on polkit-kde-1:" sudo apt-get install polkit-kde-1 ; sudo reboot " solved it...
[09:16] <GirlyGirl> ntr0py: I see
[09:16] <anathema> GirlyGirl, it's a kmail bug I think. An error notification and kmail fatal error
[09:17] <GirlyGirl> anathema: bugs.kde.org
[09:17] <pam> GirlyGirl: 3.4.3 under 11.04, but it's not just the last version, also previous
[09:17] <pam> previouses*
[09:17] <anathema> GirlyGirl, thanks but it appeared after the upgrade so I must search and in the launchpad?
[09:18] <GirlyGirl> anathema: no its a kde bug and a completely different version was made and this was included in 11.10
[09:18] <GirlyGirl> 11.04 - Kmail 1 11.10 Kmail2
[09:18] <GirlyGirl> Looks similar but its a complete unde the hood remake
[09:19] <bigjools> kmail2 has got about a million bugs
[09:19] <GirlyGirl> pam: Try running libreoffice from terminal and see what error causes the crash and then report that as a bug
[09:20] <GirlyGirl> bigjools: Give it time it will mature
[09:20] <bigjools> it will, but unfortunately that doesn't help 11.10 users
[09:20] <anathema> Ok I see
[09:20] <anathema> I will search at bugs.kde.org
[09:20] <u19809> bigjools : i agreee ... i  cannot send any email
[09:21] <anathema> thanks GirlyGirl . Anyone who has error notification about Mail dispatcher agent ?
[09:21] <u19809> yes I have
[09:22] <bigjools> I had to completely blow away my kmail settings (well the upgrade did that for me) and reconfigure it
[09:22] <bigjools> it works now
[09:22] <u19809> I get errors that KIO:Trasnferjob:slotData mimetype() not emitting when sending ...
[09:22] <u19809> bigjools : did that preserve you mails ?
[09:22] <bigjools> yes they are on imap
[09:23] <u19809> bigjools : what did you remoe exactly ? Hmm. mine are in mbox
[09:23] <u19809> I think
[09:23] <bigjools> backup profusely :)
[09:23] <anathema> I have never used Kmail in 11.04
[09:23] <anathema> and I get errors in Kmail and dispatcher agent on login in 11.10
[09:23] <bigjools> I am going to use something else now, it's not fit for general use
[09:23] <anathema> It's the only problem that I have in the upgrade
[09:23] <u19809> bigjools : can you migrate from kontact to firebird ?
[09:24] <bigjools> no idea, I guess we will find out
[09:24] <u19809> indeed ...
[09:24] <bigjools> I think they both have good export/import functionality
[09:24] <bigjools> so should be ok
[09:24] <u19809> downloading now ...
[09:27] <u19809> bigjools : thunderbird I meant
[09:38] <sagaci> any new 11.10 kubuntu users, is kppp installed by default?
[09:39] <GirlyGirl> sagaci: it is
[09:40] <sagaci> thanks
[09:41] <anathema> I can't find the bug that I have
[09:41] <anathema> i searched in the forums i found a similar problem and the solution isn't working for me
[09:42] <anathema> this is the prob: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3118353.msg274885#msg274885
[09:49] <avihay> how do I make the strigi service start working?
[10:09] <daswandi> update bermasalah
[10:12] <snikker> hi, i've installed kubuntu 11.10, but when i try to install firefox or any other package, an error message tell me that thepackage can not be authenticated. how can i fix this?
[10:12] <daswandi> makasih udah ketemu masalah nya
[10:12] <GirlyGirl> snikker:  1 s
[10:12] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: from you are trying to install?
[10:13] <snikker> GirlyGirl: ok
[10:13] <GirlyGirl> snikker: sudo apt-get install polkit-kde-1
[10:13] <GirlyGirl> snikker: should sort it
[10:13] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: from repo on internet
[10:14] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: no are you using muon or using command line
[10:14] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: were you handling snikker?
[10:14] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: muon
[10:14] <snikker> GirlyGirl: the package is already installed
[10:16] <GirlyGirl> snikker: Is that the eact error message
[10:16] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: but same thing if i use apt-get from command line
[10:16] <GirlyGirl> snikker: Please give the exact error from ap-get
[10:16] <GirlyGirl> on paste.ubuntu.com
[10:17] <snikker> GirlyGirl: the apt-get say that polkit-kde-1 is already at the latest version
[10:17] <GirlyGirl> snikker: I mean the error could not authenticate
[10:18] <daswandi> .
[10:19] <snikker> GirlyGirl: the translation is: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated  .... Install this packages without authenticate [y/n]?
[10:20] <GirlyGirl> snikker: Do you have a ppa enabled?
[10:20] <snikker> GirlyGirl: i've all default settings
[10:21] <snikker> it's a fresh install
[10:21] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: there was a certificate error for a mirror
[10:22] <GirlyGirl> snikker: Ok then in kmenu type "software sources"
[10:22] <GirlyGirl> and launch the app
[10:24] <snikker> GirlyGirl: i've got "software center"
[10:24] <GirlyGirl> snikker: then change download from combo box to "main server"
[10:24] <GirlyGirl> snikker: Open muon
[10:25] <snikker> GirlyGirl: i've already set main server in muon
[10:25] <GirlyGirl> snikker: Now do "sudo apt-get update"
[10:25] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: what happens when you give ues in cli mode of installation?
[10:26] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: what happens when you give yes in cli mode of installation?
[10:26] <snikker> GirlyGirl: after apt-get update it work! thank you
[10:26] <roland> Hi. I tried running kmail2 and it asked me if i want to migrate stuff from kmail, it failed, and now kmail fails to load because of resource error
[10:27]  * GirlyGirl thinks "Ah another person complaining about kmail2"
[10:28] <phoenix_firebrd> roland: check if there is any problem with akonadi
[10:28] <GirlyGirl> roland: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail2
[10:29] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: was that a known issue, they havent spedified it in the release notes
[10:29] <GirlyGirl> phoenix_firebrd: They have
[10:30] <GirlyGirl> phoenix_firebrd: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/11.10-release Under kontact 4.7
[10:30] <roland> it was mentioned "might fail" not "fails all the time"
[10:30] <krion> fyi typo https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OneiricUpgrades/Kubuntu < upgrade to 11.04 instead of 11.10
[10:30] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: sorry my mistake
[10:31] <GirlyGirl> krion: Where??
[10:32] <grey_> phoenix_firebrd: how to check whether there's a problem with akonadi?
[10:32] <GirlyGirl> krion: ok found
[10:32] <phoenix_firebrd> grey_: open akonadi configuration
[10:36] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: can akonadi be used to sync kjots with ubuntuone?
[10:37] <GirlyGirl> phoenix_firebrd: No
[10:37] <GirlyGirl> Not to my knowledge at least
[10:37] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: anyother way to sync kjots to a cloud
[10:38] <CruX|> in new kubuntu is Xorg or wayland ?
[10:38] <phoenix_firebrd> CruX|: xorg
[10:38] <GirlyGirl> phoenix_firebrd: Maybe just send to config file to cloud
[10:38] <CruX|> phoenix_firebrd: thx
[10:38] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: thats improper
[10:38] <phoenix_firebrd> cafe2: yw
[10:39] <phoenix_firebrd> cafe2: sorry wrong nick
[10:42] <phoenix_firebrd> grey_: GirlyGirl will help you with the problem
[10:43] <GirlyGirl> phoenix_firebrd: What problem?
[10:43] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: grey_has problem with calenders after data migration
[10:44] <GirlyGirl> grey_: What is wrong with the calendars after migration
[10:44] <grey_> GirlyGirl: I cannot advise calendar to import my std.ics. I cannot even add new entries to calendar (context menu is grayed out.)
[10:45] <GirlyGirl> grey_: open "personal information" in system settings and check the status of things
[10:46] <GirlyGirl> grey_: Is it working?
[10:49] <kantesh> i need help...my my wired network is disabled .
[10:51] <daswandi> ./
[10:53] <larsemil> hmm only one of my two monitors shows up in kde4. Using nvidia driver. nvidia-settings finds both but cant find anything on how to activate monitor nr 2.
[10:53] <larsemil> also xrandr does not show it at all either
[10:53] <aditirex> having a problem with sound on oneiric -  I get no sounds on a xonar dx card , even if it's seen in phonon and alsamixer
[10:54] <aditirex> no dmesg , no error , nothing, pavucontrol also sees things ok
[10:55] <larsemil> do i really have to create xorg.conf manually?
[10:55] <aditirex> but I get to sound , and works in win , also a usb headset works in kubuntu
[10:55] <aditirex> I have upgraded from 11.04
[10:56] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[10:58] <aditirex> any ideas ?
[11:00] <BluesKaj> aditirex, I just arrived, what was your question?
[11:01] <aditirex> I have no sound on a xonar dx card
[11:01] <aditirex> but it works with a usb headset
[11:01] <aditirex> hy
[11:01] <aditirex> upgraded from 11.04
[11:01] <GirlyGirl> aditirex: does test playback work in system settings > Multimedia
[11:01] <aditirex> noup
[11:02] <aditirex> the card works ... since I tried with win7 , and it worked before the upgrade
[11:02] <BluesKaj> aditirex, do tou have any sound in system settings>multimedia >phonon> devices test ?
[11:02] <GirlyGirl> aditirex: in terminal ... killall pulseaudio  then pulseaudio
[11:03] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: one more person was facing this same issue, no sound anywhere expect vlc
[11:03] <BluesKaj> GirlyGirl, lets track the problem down
[11:04] <aditirex> I have the device listed in multimedia
[11:04] <aditirex> adi@adi-desktop-natty:~$ pulseaudio
[11:04] <aditirex> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running.
[11:04] <aditirex> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed.
[11:04] <eeanm> so 11.10. any good? :)
[11:04] <GirlyGirl> aditirex: When you press test does a failure notification pop up?
[11:04] <GirlyGirl> eeanm: #kubuntu-offtopic
[11:04] <BluesKaj> does the test button at the bottom give any sound if you click on it, aditirex?
[11:04] <aditirex> no
[11:05] <GirlyGirl> aditirex: When you press test does a failure notification pop up?
[11:05] <aditirex> noup
[11:05] <phoenix_firebrd> aditirex: do you get sound in vlc?
[11:06] <aditirex> no sound in vlc
[11:06] <aditirex> and I've tried with exaile too
[11:06] <sagaci> any action/command to delete/reset the kde panel?
[11:06] <BluesKaj> aditirex, open a terminal , type alsamixer , what sound card is listed at the top left?
[11:07] <phoenix_firebrd> sagaci: right click on the desktop, in the menu select panel-> default panel
[11:07] <aditirex> Card: Xonar DX                                                                                                                                           F1:  Help               │
[11:07] <aditirex> │ Chip: AV200
[11:07] <sagaci> phoenix_firebrd, thanks, I'll try that
[11:07] <GirlyGirl> phoenix_firebrd: plasma will crash
[11:07] <phoenix_firebrd> sagaci: yw
[11:07] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: what?
[11:08] <GirlyGirl> phoenix_firebrd: add default panel has a bug causes plasma to crash
[11:08] <aditirex> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=e06712a6086c6042cabd75942480b6bde3454e70 , generated by alsa tool , if this helps
[11:08] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: in 11.10?
[11:08] <GirlyGirl> phoenix_firebrd: yes
[11:08] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: let me try
[11:09] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: no problem here
[11:09] <GirlyGirl> phoenix_firebrd: 4.7.1 or 4.7.2?
[11:09] <BluesKaj> ok make sure all ctrls in alsamixer have 00 in the box , no Ms, and turn them up to at least 90%, aditirex
[11:09] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: 4.7.1
[11:09] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj:i missed that
[11:09] <larsemil> How do i get my bottom panel to strech to all monitors!?
[11:10] <sagaci> GirlyGirl, didn't for me
[11:11] <aditirex> @BluesKaj : same thing
[11:11] <larsemil> How do i get my bottom panel to strech to all monitors!?
[11:11] <salo> hey, sorry for this newb question, but is there a keyboard shortcut to move a application from one virtual desktop to another, or a way to configure that?
[11:11] <BluesKaj> aditirex, sudo modprobe snd_virtuoso
[11:11] <phoenix_firebrd> larsemil: did you check the settings "display and monitors"
[11:12] <aditirex> no change
[11:12] <BluesKaj> aditirex, you may have to restart your player
[11:13] <larsemil> phoenix_firebrd: yes and found nothing there about panel
[11:13] <aditirex> ok
[11:13] <aditirex> hmm
[11:13] <phoenix_firebrd> aditirex: press b and then tab to get BluesKaj's nick
[11:15] <aditirex> ??
[11:15] <aditirex> BluesKaj:  In Phonon I see only PulseAudio Sound Server now
[11:16] <BluesKaj> does it give any test sound
[11:16] <aditirex> BluesKaj: noup
[11:16] <BluesKaj> aditirex, do this in the terminal , sudo alsa force-reload
[11:17] <aditirex> BluesKaj: Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-usb-audio snd-hwdep snd-usbmidi-lib snd-virtuoso snd-oxygen-lib snd-pcm snd-page-alloc snd-mpu401-uart snd-seq-midi snd-rawmidi snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-timer snd-seq-device (failed: modules still loaded: snd-usb-audio snd-hwdep snd-usbmidi-lib snd-virtuoso snd-oxygen-lib snd-pcm snd-page-alloc snd-mpu401-uart snd-rawmidi snd-timer snd-seq-device).
[11:17] <aditirex> Loading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-usb-audio snd-hwdep snd-usbmidi-lib snd-virtuoso snd-oxygen-lib snd-pcm snd-page-alloc snd-mpu401-uart snd-seq-midi snd-rawmidi snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-timer snd-seq-device.
[11:17] <FloodBotK1> aditirex: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:17] <FloodBotK2> aditirex: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:18] <BluesKaj> then reboot , unfortunately reboot requirements are becoming more coomonplace
[11:19] <GirlyGirl> BluesKaj: Won't deletin .pulse help?
[11:19] <salo> is ther
[11:19] <salo> e no way?
[11:20] <BluesKaj> GirlyGirl, sometimes yes , sometimes no ...it's atoss up
[11:20] <GirlyGirl> !enter | salo
[11:22] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: upon googlling , deleting .pulse fixed the no audio issue
[11:23] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, not always , I need PA audio for web audio content to work , depends on the alsa driver and whether it works properly with PA
[11:24] <mki_____> i have a problem: distribution update crashed. I rebooted, system is still working. But I fear that system is in an unstable state. What should I do? Is there a way to tell the updater that it should try to continue?
[11:24] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i meant the .pulse the configuration file
[11:25] <GirlyGirl> mki_____: "sudo apt-get install -f"
[11:25] <mki_____> GirlyGirl: Thanks I'll try
[11:25] <GirlyGirl> mki_____: If anything is left it will complete it
[11:26] <phoenix_firebrd> I dont like the new recovery menu
[11:27] <BluesKaj> aditirex, in the terminal , lsmod | grep snd_virtuoso
[11:27] <rghvdberg> just installed kubuntu on my netbook
[11:28] <rghvdberg> i'm impressed
[11:28] <BluesKaj> !paste | aditirex
[11:28] <rghvdberg> gonna install it on my pc also :-)
[11:29] <mki_____> ok apt-get install -f did something with flash-installer. I'm surpriced (scared) how fast it went. Is there a way to check if the distribution update is really complete?
[11:29] <rghvdberg> i hate unity :p
[11:29] <GirlyGirl> rghvdberg: Welcome to KDE
[11:30] <BluesKaj> rghvdberg, we don't hate in here , we just find alternatives :)
[11:33] <phoenix_firebrd> aditirex: is your problem fixed?
[11:35] <rghvdberg> checking the FAQ ...
[11:37] <mki_____> as a result of the dist upgrade, kubuntu forgot about my wlan password. Is this normal?
[11:37] <rghvdberg> is there a key shortcut to lauch apps ? (like ALT-F2)
[11:38] <BluesKaj> rghvdberg, yes alt+f2 :)
[11:39] <rghvdberg> alt+f2 doesn't work ...
[11:40]  * rghvdberg is gonna brb
[11:40]  * rghvdberg is eating
[11:41] <GirlyGirl> rghvdberg: It has to work!
[11:41] <BluesKaj> rghvdberg, mkae sure your KB isn't locked
[11:42] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: when having unity, gnome and kde the alt+ f2 didn't work for me
[11:42] <phoenix_firebrd> GirlyGirl: i had to run krunner again to get alt+f2 running
[11:43] <BluesKaj> I use the run command by right clicking on the desktop , it's faster for me
[11:43] <u19809> anybody here knows how I can get kmail2 to send SMTP messages ? It seems to be unwilling after upgrade to 11.10
[11:44] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: every time you want to launch a program you goto desktop?
[11:44] <GirlyGirl> brb
[11:44] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, nope just the run box
[11:45] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: hey
[11:45] <phoenix_firebrd> u19809: that is a known issue
[11:46] <phoenix_firebrd> u19809: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail2
[11:46] <u19809> phoenix_firebrd : that is nice to know :(
[11:46] <BluesKaj> I have my fav apps in the panel and launch them form there, phoenix_firebrd
[11:46] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: you must be a fan of openbox
[11:47] <BluesKaj> not really , I ddnt like open box much
[11:47] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ok
[11:48] <BluesKaj> <---- old windows guy , that's why I have apps in the panel
[11:49] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: me too
[11:49] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i prefer the favorites in kmenu
[11:50] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i tried putting some apps on the panel , but my hand always goes to the kmenu
[11:51] <BluesKaj> whatever is comfortable and works for you , phoenix_firebrd
[11:51] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: my brain got accustomed to the start menu
[11:55] <BluesKaj> I used to be an advocate of alsa without pulseaudio , but in some cases like my setup i need it ,. I don't like using it much but's necessary for my new pci soundcard and webaudio content . For some reason flash and other webaudio plugins don't work with the alsa driver for my m-audio soundcard.
[11:56] <rishikanta> hello.. is this the right place to ask about KDE on ubuntu 11.10
[11:56] <BluesKaj> rishikanta, yes
[11:56] <rishikanta> how can I change the icon for an application in the menu items?
[11:58] <well_laid_lawn> don't you edit the .desktop file for the application in /usr/share/applications ?
[11:58] <well_laid_lawn> it'll point to the icon
[11:58] <BluesKaj> rishikanta, right click on the kmenu , choose edit applications
[12:00] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ya, i also use to play with alsa for a longtime before pulse, i wanted to implement a lowpass filter for my subwoofer, my creative soundblaster doesnt support onboard lowpass filter and mixer, i tried different alsaconfig . finially got working in all programs but, sound only works in one program ata atime
[12:02] <rishikanta> the icon mentioned in .desktop file in /usr/share/applications points to the icon as shown in gnome menu, not KDE menu
[12:03] <phoenix_firebrd> rishikanta: try what BluesKaj said
[12:04] <BluesKaj> yeah phoenix_firebrd , well I listen to only one sound source at a time so PA wasn't necessary m and I don't use speaker directly connected to the soundacard , the digital passthru the spdif coax output to a DAC on my audio amp is all i use.
[12:04] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: mine too
[12:05] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i finally ended up using a lowpass filter in my amp
[12:06] <BluesKaj> subwoofer out or preamp out to the sub , if it's a powered one
[12:06] <rishikanta> yep, BluesKaj's suggestion worked... THANKS
[12:06] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i couldn't get you
[12:07] <Incarus6> where is the update function in muon?
[12:07] <phoenix_firebrd> Incarus6: its the "check for update " button
[12:08] <BluesKaj> on the audio amplifier Ione cab use the subwoofer out or preamp out to the sub , if the sub is a self-powered one
[12:08] <Incarus6> phoenix_firebrd, I can't find that button ;)
[12:09] <BluesKaj> one can use
[12:09] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj:  oh
[12:09] <rishikanta> I have another question.. can I make the kmenu launch with the Win button, like in Windows or Ubuntu 11?
[12:09] <Incarus6> phoenix_firebrd, muon-updater seems to be an own application, But I can't even find muon-updater in kemnu, only moun-installer
[12:10] <rishikanta> alt+f2 is fine for launching applications through command, but I'd love to have the Win button work as well
[12:11] <phoenix_firebrd> Incarus6: try to run it using the run dialog
[12:12] <phoenix_firebrd> rishikanta: you cannot launch kmenu using the start button
[12:12] <Incarus6> phoenix_firebrd, I know how I could run the updater, I was accustomed to search for updates in my package-manager
[12:13] <phoenix_firebrd> Incarus6: so can you start muon
[12:13] <Incarus6> I think I'm going to report that as regression, because it is one imo
[12:14] <phoenix_firebrd> Incarus6: no
[12:14] <phoenix_firebrd> Incarus6: open muon
[12:15] <Incarus6> it is opened
[12:15] <yofel> Incarus6: the software center or package manager?
[12:15] <yofel> the SC has no update option
[12:16] <Incarus6> yofel, it is muon-installer, the updater is not accessible thorugh kmenu
[12:17] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: what do you mean?
[12:17] <yofel> Incarus6: applications -> system -> package manager
[12:17] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: muon has 2 seperate parts
[12:17] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: check for updates and the apply
[12:18] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: the muon you were talking about was not the muon he had open (had used the SC)
[12:18] <Incarus6> yofel, that is right, got that. I was used to update through Computer > Package Manager
[12:19] <yofel> Incarus6: ok, that it's not too visible would be a regression - agreed
[12:20] <rishikanta> @phoenix_firebrd: is there any other keyboard combination to launch kmenu?
[12:20] <Incarus6> the naming is misleading and it's the wrong part of muon under 'Computer' in my oppinion, because the old software manager in that menu could also install and remove packages and update packages, yofel
[12:20] <phoenix_firebrd> rishikanta: try startbutton+z
[12:20] <rishikanta> in ubuntu unity, I know we can't set win button to use as shortcuts with other keys - but I can set other combos like ctrl+alt
[12:21] <yofel> Incarus6: the naming is clearly different, and the ubuntu software center can't install updates either
[12:21] <Creap> I updated my 11.10 install yesterday with the packages from ppa backports, and now all my apps are hidden below the plasma desktop (except the system monitor for some reason). When I kill plasma-desktop, the apps show again, but obviously no panels or anything then
[12:22] <phoenix_firebrd> rishikanta: do you know that now in unity the startbutton launches the dash
[12:23] <Incarus6> yofel, the old software manager (now called Apper) is able to install updates
[12:23] <phoenix_firebrd> Creap: can you paste a snapshot?
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Creap, can you add the app icon-launchers to our panel from the kmenu ny right clickong on the app and choosing "add to panel " ?
[12:24] <phoenix_firebrd> Incarus6: muon is way better
[12:24] <BluesKaj> your panel
[12:24] <yofel> Incarus6: ok, and had a bunch of other issues, so muon was invented and has a more ubuntu-style layout
[12:26] <rishikanta1> got disconnected earlier
[12:26] <Incarus6> phoenix-firebrd, I am not saying that muon is bad, I'm allways open for new changes, but in my problem is the kmenu structure. They are using 'muon-installer' under the category 'Computer' instead of 'muon' which got more functions
[12:26] <Incarus6> ^-in
[12:26] <rishikanta1> @phoenix-firebrd: startbutton+z is same as alt+f2
[12:27] <yofel> Incarus6: the "common" user is supposed to use the software center, not the package manager
[12:27] <rishikanta1> startbutton+ any keys actually behaves the same
[12:27] <yofel> Incarus6: where else *should* one have put the SC then?
[12:27] <BluesKaj> synaptic still works for me as a reference and it also it's look is more configurable .like font size etc , than muon
[12:27] <Creap> phoenix_firebrd: snapshot.. it's simply an empty desktop. when I alt-tab, I see the switcher and the app is temporarily visible, but then hides. I'm guessing the desktop is somehow "always on top"
[12:28] <Creap> BluesKaj: there is no panel either
[12:28] <Creap> I tried switching back from the binary ATI drivers to the default open source ones, brb
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Creap, right click on the desktop , choose "add panel"
[12:29] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: he killed plasma-desktop, what do you expect to be the result
[12:29] <Incarus6> yofel, now I'm damned to search in my overloaded 'System'-category instead of getting updates with only 3 clicks, which makes the manual-update process more complicated
[12:30] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, oops , didn't see that :)
[12:30] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: :)
[12:30] <yofel> Incarus6: feel free to file a bug against muon for that - I'm not saying you're wrong there
[12:30] <BluesKaj> I thought he just lost the panel
[12:30] <GirlyGirl> I feel that new users will prefer the center
[12:32] <BluesKaj> damm ati proprietary drivers...hopeless
[12:32] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: why?
[12:32] <TheLastProject> ATI proprietary drivers are heaven to me compared to the crap Kubuntu 11.10 caused and is still causing =/
[12:32] <Incarus6> yofel, I just wanted to here other oppinions so I can file that regression properly, thank you. I think the main problem is, that the manual update process got more complicated
[12:33] <TheLastProject> Regression? Which one?
[12:33]  * TheLastProject wants to know if it is one that happens to him as well
[12:33] <GirlyGirl> Incarus6: The update notifier normally is used for updates
[12:34] <BluesKaj> TheLastProject, trouble is there's no consistency with most proprietaries , even the nvidia ones don't work half the time
[12:34] <yofel> GirlyGirl: he's talking about manually updating
[12:34] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i have no problem with nvidia
[12:35] <GirlyGirl> yofel: Maybe Muon center just needs an update all button then
[12:35] <BluesKaj> me neither , phoenix_firebrd , but I stick with the current driver, which works ...mostly
[12:35] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ya, thats what i do
[12:35] <yofel> GirlyGirl: it's oriented on the ubuntu SC, that doesn't have an update button either
[12:35] <GirlyGirl> Wouldn't harm to improve on that
[12:36] <TheLastProject> BluesKaj: There is no consistency in Kubuntu 11.10 anymore either :P All my GTK apps lost their theme and KDE refuses to apply GTK-related settings
[12:36] <Incarus6> GirlyGirl, I'm used to update my system at any time I want, some people even disable the automatic update search
[12:36] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: if you are talking about installing the driver from nvidia's website i am most of the time unsuccessful and get bugs
[12:37] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: uh, you do know that's unsupported?
[12:37] <Incarus6> yofel, is that an muon or an kemnu issue?
[12:37] <yofel> Incarus6: not too sure, but should be muon
[12:37] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ya
[12:38] <yofel> TheLastProject: erm... don't blame us for the gtk folks inventing a new version that's not compatible with gtk2 themes. Writing a theme isn't *that* easy
[12:38] <BluesKaj> TheLastProject, I heard a rumour tthat the KDE settings changes and gtk integration is on hold til kde 4.7.3 is released ... I'm having font probs with toolbar and titlbars on apps used as root
[12:39] <phoenix_firebrd> kubuntu 11.10 is great, i have no issues till now
[12:39] <GirlyGirl> yofel: Its easy but time consuming :d
[12:39] <Incarus6> yofel, I'm not sure if it's a kmenu bug or a muon feature-regression, maybe a mix of both
[12:40] <TheLastProject> yofel: I had 0 problems with GTK applications up until I upgraded Kubuntu 11.10. Rhythmbox wasn't updated as far as I know while updating to Kubuntu 11.10 =/
[12:40] <TheLastProject> BluesKaj: Any info on when that will be released? =/
[12:40] <yofel> TheLastProject: yes, because 11.10 is the first release that has gnome3 and many apps switched to gtk3
[12:41] <TheLastProject> yofel: Ah, so I guess Rhythmbox DID update then without me seeing it. That explains a lot...
[12:41] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, yes the nvidia website drivers are proprietary , altho some are used as default in kubuntu by jockey , but nvidia recommends drivers that don't work for some cards
[12:41] <Darael> I appear to have found a packaging error.  qdbus conflicts with itself, and thus won't install.
[12:41] <TheLastProject> Well, guess I'll have to look for a decent Qt-based music player :P
[12:42] <GirlyGirl> BluesKaj: The nvidia site driver (yes I know its not supported) gives me the best performance and least problems but needs a reinstall every kernel update
[12:42] <yofel> hm, as a matter of fact, upstream oxygen has a gtk3 branch, I'll try it out later
[12:43] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ya, thats right
[12:43] <BluesKaj> GirlyGirl, which card ?
[12:43] <TheLastProject> yofel: That sounds great o,o
[12:43] <phoenix_firebrd> TheLastProject: amarok
[12:43] <yofel> TheLastProject: kde has juk and amarok as music players, smplayer would be more of a media player, than music player
[12:43] <TheLastProject> I dislike Amarok and Juk, unfortunately =/
[12:44] <TheLastProject> Also, they don't react to the media keys on my mouse =/
[12:44] <phoenix_firebrd> TheLastProject: try bangarang
[12:44] <TheLastProject> Rhythmbox did used to do that (but not now for some reason)
[12:44] <TheLastProject> phoenix_firebrd: Will try that, thanks for the tip!
[12:44] <Creap> after disabling the proprietary ati driver I can't even login anymore, I get the login screen, enter user/pass, and just get redirected back
[12:45] <yofel> TheLastProject: as for 4.7.3, here's the schedule http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.7_Release_Schedule
[12:45] <TheLastProject> yofel: Okay, thank you!
[12:45] <phoenix_firebrd> Creap: why did you disable the proprietary driver ?
[12:45] <Creap> could it be that I disabled the driver but the open source one didn't get enabled again?
[12:46] <Creap> phoenix_firebrd: because that was the otherchange I did before the reboot
[12:46] <Creap> added backports, enabled the prop driver
[12:46] <Creap> and then I read that the proprietary drivers on 11.10 were buggy
[12:46] <Creap> for ati
[12:47] <phoenix_firebrd> Creap: did you uninstall it?
[12:47] <TheLastProject> phoenix_firebrd: Does Bangarang support media libraries? And can it auto-update a folder it watches? I really need that functionality =/
[12:47] <Darael> For some reason, qdbus in Oneiric (which a /tonne/ of stuff seems to depend on) a) has itself, without a version qualifier, in its Conflicts: line, b) thus won't install and c) prompts apt to try to resolve this by removing something in the region of ninety packages.  What gives?
[12:48] <phoenix_firebrd>  TheLastProject it supports library , i dont know about the auto-update, just give it a try
[12:48] <Creap> phoenix_firebrd: "Remove" in additional drivers, I'm not really used to the ubuntu way, but I did switch to ubuntu from opensuse to make managing proprietary drivers easier..
[12:48] <TheLastProject> phoenix_firebrd: Okay, thanks!
[12:49] <phoenix_firebrd> Creap: try to rename the xorg.conf to somethiing like xorg.cong.bak and try again
[12:49] <Creap> ok
[12:51] <Incarus6> yofel, did kubuntu decided to use muon instead of the old software manager or was that a kde decision? because it would be senseless to file a kde bug report if kubuntu changed the structure of kmenu and not kde
[12:52] <yofel> Incarus6: kubuntu decision - kde has nothing to do with package managers
[12:52] <yofel> the "official" muon bugtracker is bugs.kde.org though - but feel free to file a bug on launchpad for this issue
[12:52] <yofel> the developer looks at both
[12:52] <phoenix_firebrd> i am starting to suspect that Incarus6 is the developer of the kpackagekit
[12:53] <yofel> he isn't, I know who is ;)
[12:53] <Incarus6> phoenix_firebrd, I don't think so, kpackagekit wasn't better then muon ;)
[12:53] <phoenix_firebrd> he he
[12:55] <Incarus6> good idea, a will file out a bug report for muon (regression) because I don't have an account on launchpad :D
[12:55] <GirlyGirl> kpackagekit was designed for rpm represitory compatibility as well ... seems to work better with rpm than deb at least when it just came out
[12:56] <phoenix_firebrd> Incarus6: when i started with muon, i didnt see the preview button, muon removed the entire desktop
[12:57] <GirlyGirl> Adept (the kde3 version) used to be nice too
[13:00] <Darael> For some reason, qdbus in Oneiric (which is a dependency of libqt4-dbus, which is in turn a dependency of /loads/ of things) a) has itself, without a version qualifier, in its Conflicts: line, b) thus won't install and c) prompts apt to try to resolve this by removing something in the region of ninety packages.  What gives?
[13:01] <Incarus6> I can not even find "kpackagekit" as package in muon
[13:02] <phoenix_firebrd> Incarus6: apper
[13:02] <yofel> it's not registered as an application, but that's not muon's fault
[13:02] <yofel> 'muon' will find it
[13:02] <phillip> Hi all
[13:03] <phoenix_firebrd> phillip: hi
[13:03] <phillip> I just upgraded to 11.10
[13:03] <phillip> But - Now I can not start my PC
[13:03] <phoenix_firebrd> phillip: ok
[13:03] <phoenix_firebrd> phillip: whats happening
[13:03] <phillip> I get starting System V runlevel compatibility [fail]
[13:03] <phillip> Any clue where I can start ?
[13:04] <phoenix_firebrd> phillip: was the update completed successfully?
[13:04] <phillip> I thought so, it told me to restart and all was good.
[13:05] <Incarus6> i was also used to find every installable package with my old software manager, yofel and phoenix_firebrd, but I'm going to live with the new software manager.. thank you both for your help ;)
[13:06] <phillip> Can I rerun the upgrade from a live boot without having to format ?
[13:06] <phoenix_firebrd> phillip: sorry buddy i have no idea of your problem, may be someone here will help you
[13:06] <phillip> Thanks dude
[13:06] <phillip> Anyone ?
[13:07] <yofel> Incarus6: the muon package manager will list *every* package, the SC only "applications"
[13:07] <phoenix_firebrd> Incarus6: yw
[13:07] <yofel> however that was defined again
[13:08] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: we have to improve Kubuntu documentation
[13:08] <Darael> For some reason, qdbus in Oneiric (which is a dependency of libqt4-dbus, which is in turn a dependency of /loads/ of things) a) has itself, without a version qualifier, in its Conflicts: line, b) thus won't install and c) prompts apt to try to resolve this by removing something in the region of ninety packages.  What gives?
[13:08] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: talk to Darkwing - he'll be happy for any help
[13:09] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: who is he
[13:10] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: did you create a google plus account?
[13:10] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: David Wonderly https://launchpad.net/~david.wonderly
[13:10] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: nope
[13:10] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: only your blog, why not buddy?
[13:10] <TheLastProject> Still impossible to disable "Recently Used" in the latest version of Kubuntu? =/
[13:11] <yofel> I'm not a fan of "social networks" in general, even my blog is only there because it has a practical purpose
[13:11] <yofel> TheLastProject: talk to kde, nothing we're going to change
[13:11] <Incarus6> TheLastProject, that is also annoying me. Try to vote up that but on bugs.kde.org ;) https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=186986
[13:12] <yofel> Darael: hm, from what I know that's multiarch related, are you using aptitude?
[13:12] <Darael> yofel: I /was/, yes.
[13:13] <TheLastProject> Thanks for that link Incarus6
[13:14] <yofel> Darael: aptitude has no multiarch support yet (bug 831768) - and if you disable multiarch while still having :i386 packages installed I've seen various package managers getting confused
[13:14] <yofel> bbl
[13:14] <Darael> yofel: Ah.  I shall use apt-get instead, then.  At least until the bug is resolved.  Thanks.
[13:15] <Incarus6> TheLastProject, you're welcome
[13:22] <ScottyK> upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10 complete, and so far everything is working. Thanks to everybody who worked on this release!!!!!!!!
[13:23] <phoenix_firebrd> ScottyK: +1
[13:27] <Exposure> can I do a cli-based distro upgrade without manually editting apt.sources?
[13:31] <Riddell> Exposure: do-release-upgrade  should do it, of course it'll edit sources.list itself
[13:32] <Exposure> great
[13:33] <ScottyK> For the desktop, I rebooted to just the command prompt and upgraded. For the Netbook, I'm going to let Kpackagekit do the upgrade and see what happens
[13:34] <aleritty> Hi! I just installed kubuntu 11.10 with a problem: I selected to DO NOT format my (previously existant) home folder but the installer tried to format it anyway! I stopped it and now I'm recovering my partition structure, but please someone else try to reproduce this problem because can be really dangerous!
[13:34] <Exposure> kpackagekit didn't work
[13:35] <aleritty> and no, I'm not a noob, but now I can't try to test another time because I'm recovering my stuff (300GB partition, it will take a while!)
[13:36] <GirlyGirl> aleritty: I can't reproduce this ... you must have made a mistake
[13:36] <Exposure> maybe enable encryption and that caused it to reformat?
[13:36] <Exilant> aleritty: home folder on partition for / or extra home partition?
[13:37] <aleritty> GirlyGirl: i have not, I assure you... When I saw the installer "creating partition in /dev/sda7" I stopped it
[13:37] <aleritty> Exilant: of course extra partition
[13:37] <Exilant> sounds serious :(
[13:37] <aleritty> Exilant: I'm not searching for help for my files (I can handle the recovery by myself) but please test this before a lot of people try to install
[13:37] <GirlyGirl> aleritty: I have the same setup ... on an extra partition and it did not format it ... it will format it you selected edit and played with settings like filesystem type rather than just a mountpoint
[13:38] <Incarus6> aleritty, please be more accurate,  have you used kubuntu 11.10 32bit desktop cd?
[13:38] <Exposure> why can't I scroll through do-release-upgrade output :(
[13:39] <GirlyGirl> Exposure: Buy a bigger screen :d
[13:39] <phoenix_firebrd> Exposure: there is a key to scroll
[13:39] <aleritty> Incarus6: yes, new install from kubuntu 10.10 32 bit desktop, I installed over an existing debian installation selecting to format /,/boot but not selecting for formatting /home
[13:40] <GirlyGirl> aleritty: 10.10?
[13:40] <Incarus6> Exposure, /var/log? ;)
[13:40] <aleritty> GirlyGirl: sorry, 11.10
[13:40] <aleritty> Incarus6: sorry 11.10
[13:41] <Exposure> I get confused when shift-pageup doesn't work :(
[13:41] <Incarus6> aleritty, debian have other names for partitions then ubuntu, are you sure that it tried to overwrite your home partition?
[13:42] <Exposure> oh apparently it runs inside screen
[13:42] <zero1> hi guys
[13:42] <GirlyGirl> aleritty: I find that strange as I did the same thing (except the boot partition) and my home was not formatted .... If you are so sure file a bug on launchpad for ubiquity ... include all details and they will test it
[13:42] <zero1> where i can find the update manager for kubuntu 11.10? gui
[13:42] <GirlyGirl> zero1: ALT + F2 "muon-updater"
[13:42] <aleritty> Incarus6: absolutely, my / is 18GB and my home is 280GB so i recognize directly from the dimension
[13:43] <aleritty> GirlyGirl: I'm searching for a new test to search about what happened before filling the bug
[13:43] <zero1> GirlyGirl, thanks!! is there any icon in application menu? I will get notified automatically in taskbar when new packets /updates are available?
[13:44] <GirlyGirl> zero1: Provided auto updates are set yes
[13:44] <zero1> Thanks so I must not enable it only wait for updates
[13:44] <GirlyGirl> zero1: "muon" is in the app menu though its a different interface to upgrade there
[13:45] <GirlyGirl> zero1: Use the start menu search to find it
[13:45] <zero1> GirlyGirl, Software Manager. Is that?
[13:45] <GirlyGirl> zero1: package manager
[13:46] <GirlyGirl> aleritty: I did the same thing on my desktop and it did not format, but I can try again later in vbox
[13:46] <zero1> GirlyGirl, ok thanks. is there any setting to set the update check time
[13:46] <zero1> *sequence
[13:46] <Incarus6> zero1, are you used to update via kmenu > Computer > Software manager ?
[13:47] <zero1> yes
[13:47] <zero1> I am upgraded to 11.10
[13:47] <GirlyGirl> zero1: in muon updater see the menu Settings > software source
[13:47] <zero1> already but I want to check for updates
[13:47] <Incarus6> zero1, yeah, I allreade filed a bug report about that ;)
[13:47] <aleritty> GirlyGirl: I don't know what happened, is the first time that something similar happens... And is not my first installation...
[13:48] <zero1> Incarus6, what's the bug exactly?
[13:48] <Incarus6> zero1, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=283992
[13:48] <zero1> thanks
[13:49] <Incarus6> ubottu? :D
[13:49] <GirlyGirl> zero1: in muon updater see the menu Settings > software source
[13:49] <zero1> also im facing a weid problem. ervery time i login i get an error notification about mail dispatcher. when i tried to launch kmail i get a fatal error about resourcs
[13:50] <zero1> Is it a bug? i 've never used kmail or mail dispatcher in 10.04
[13:50] <Exposure> kdelibs5-plugins : Breaks: kdevelop (< 4:4.2) but 4:4.0.2-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[13:50] <Exposure> wtf where did that came from :(
[13:50] <GirlyGirl> !language | Exposure
[13:50] <Incarus6> zero1, same here, I think you disabled akonadi
[13:51] <GirlyGirl> Exposure: What did you do to get that output?
[13:52] <Exposure> apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:52] <GirlyGirl> Exposure: In 11.04?
[13:52] <Exposure> correct
[13:52] <Exposure> sorted it out though
[13:52] <aleritty> GirlyGirl: I found some other people in the kubuntu forums with older versions... This seems to randomly happen! this guy seems expert too: http://goo.gl/CFaYP
[13:53] <Exposure> but I wonder what 3rd party repos installed that kdelibs5 package
[13:54] <GirlyGirl> aleritty: Do you have ubiquity log files?
[13:54] <GirlyGirl> Exposure: Maybe Kubuntu KDE updates ppa
[13:54] <Exposure> the 'read this before upgrading' uyrl in the topic doesn't work
[13:55] <zero1> GirlyGirl,  if i want to have mozilla firefox  +chrome latest version I must add new repositories from mozilla?
[13:55] <zero1> because during the upgrade the installer disables some repos
[13:55] <zero1> now i have only the defaults
[13:56] <GirlyGirl> zero1: Yes enable it after the upgrade
[13:56] <zero1> ok i will replace natty with oneiric?
[13:56] <zero1> in repos url
[13:57] <aleritty> GirlyGirl: of course not, I left the installer to recovery my files
[13:59] <GirlyGirl> aleritty: Did the partition mount without problems afterwords?
[14:01] <GirlyGirl> aleritty: Some thing I can think of is when you edited mountpoint ... in that dialog there is an additional format checkbox and a combobox for partition type .... if that partition type differed from the present state it will format the partition
[14:01] <GirlyGirl> so lots of ways to do this
[14:02] <GirlyGirl> 1) Format Checkbox on main partition page 2) additional format checkbox in edit partition dialogue 3) Mismatch in partition filesystem type
[14:02] <Eruaran> Still cannot get a digital clock on the panel that gives 12 hour AM/PM time...
[14:02] <Eruaran> Have installed on 3 systems
[14:02] <Eruaran> All have the same problem
[14:03] <aleritty> GirlyGirl: the partition is not mounting (it interrupted during the format) and now I'm recovering
[14:03] <aleritty> GirlyGirl: i'm quite sure that i selected ext4 during the process
[14:04] <Eruaran> Edit Applications just to change the Firefox icon in the Kickoff Application Laungher... Now Firefox disappears from Internet in the application launcher?????? Its only in favorites now... The same thing has happened to the Muon Software Centre...
[14:04] <Eruaran> How do I get them back where they should be?
[14:04] <GirlyGirl> aleritty: So file a bug ... the ubiquity team will check if it can be reproduced ... if so it will be fixed
[14:05] <aleritty> GirlyGirl: I'm filling it
[14:05] <GirlyGirl> Eruaran: delete /home/User/.kde/share/config/kickoffrc
[14:05] <GirlyGirl> Eruaran: That will set default menu entries
[14:05] <BluesKaj> alter , dunno if this still works , but I used to reinstall the OS without formatting anything and the previous conf files used to be in effect when after the installwas completed . I havent done it in a while tho.
[14:06] <BluesKaj> oops,  aleritty ^
[14:08] <Incarus6> BluesKaj, haha, you said alter :D you're not german, right?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> Incarus6, nope , that was just a mistake , but my first language was swedish .... a long long time ago
[14:10] <Eruaran> now its worse
[14:10] <aleritty> BluesKaj: at the moment I don't have an home partition to mount, after the recovery succeded I will try to reinstall
[14:10] <BluesKaj> aleritty, ok got it
[14:10] <Eruaran> FIrefox is gone
[14:11] <Eruaran> Muon Software Centre is gone
[14:11] <Eruaran> completely gone
[14:11] <GirlyGirl> Eruaran: logout and login
[14:12] <Eruaran> I only have the muon package manager now and no software centre
[14:12] <aleritty> I'm wondering if the installer thinked that my partition was different than ext4 and then formatted it... But there was no check symbol when I hitted "install"
[14:12] <Eruaran> I have rebooted
[14:12] <Eruaran> First the digital clock doesn't work, now items are disappearing from kickoff...
[14:13] <Incarus6> Eruaran, try Edit > Restore to System Menu
[14:14] <Eruaran> ty Incarus6, that worked
[14:15] <Incarus6> Eruaran, problem fixed?
[14:15] <Eruaran> Incarus6: yes ty (phew)
[14:15] <Incarus6> you're welcome
[14:17] <roland> Has anyone noticed a problem with "Safely remove Removable media (SD card) " ?
[14:17] <roland> most of the time it says that "device is currently busy..."
[14:19] <roland> running fuser /media/sdcardname tells me that dolphin  is using that file
[14:20] <Cenbe> In the Muon package manager, clicking the "Package" column to sort list of packages doesn't seem to work right. Anybody else seeing this?
[14:20] <roland> Anyone knows if this  "Safely remove Removable media (SD card) " problem is known by kde devs?
[14:22] <Incarus6> Cenbe, screenshot please
[14:23] <Incarus6> roland, have you tried to quit dolphin?
[14:24] <roland> Incarus6: I closed all open dolphin windows, but a dolphin process was still running
[14:25] <roland> Incarus6: I had to manually kill it...
[14:25] <roland> Incarus6: I've had this same issue since 10.04 at least
[14:25] <Incarus6> roland, you're free to file a bug report on bugs.kde.org ;)
[14:28] <roland> Incarus6: ok, i
[14:28] <roland> 'll do it at some point
[14:52] <Cenbe> Incarus6: http://lyonlabs.org/muon-package-manager.png
[14:52] <Cenbe> The ordering changes when I click the column header (and the arrow reverses), but it's not clear what's being sorted.
[14:53] <Incarus6> Cenbe, interesting, its worth to report
[14:54] <Incarus6> Cenbe, I can reproduce that. When using the search it is using another ordering (most matching or similar) and ignores any other
[14:55] <shi-tianlong> can i use KDE with compiz?
[14:59] <dacresni> before the update, I was having a common grub error "Alloc Magic Broken
[15:04] <cablop> if i an use compiz in KDE i think i'll move to KDE and ditch unity and gnome
[15:07] <OerHeks> cablop, yes you can use compiz, same CCSM in Kubuntu
[15:08] <cablop> nice
[15:08] <cablop> because KWIN runs extremely slow in my intel mobile graphic chip
[15:10] <cablop> ok, KDE Plasma here i go
[15:14] <GirlyGirl> shi-tianlong: Yes but kwin is better
[15:14] <ubiMike> Hello guys
[15:18] <sujith_h> Is there anyway to upgrade 11.04 version kubuntu to 11.10?
[15:18] <sujith_h> i mean command line option
[15:23] <gwallace123> sujith_h: You could try "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[15:24] <sujith_h> gwallace123: Thanks
[15:24] <gwallace123> Since the release of 11.10 yesterday, I have not been notified by Kubuntu to do the upgrade to 11.10.  When I run apt-get dist-upgrade, I don't get anything.  I am running kernel 3.0.0.12, I think that was the last kernel update since the beta 2
[15:25] <gwallace123> sujith_h: welcome, hope that helps.  I can't get the upgrade to run on my machine.
[15:25] <sujith_h> ok
[15:26] <opapo> how do you join images so they stack up in rows with imageMagick
[15:29] <yofel> sujith_h: upgrade so 11.10 from the commandline are done with 'sudo do-release-upgrade'
[15:29] <yofel> *upgrades to
[15:30] <dacresni> what is Alloc Magic?
[15:31] <dacresni> how do I capture traces ?
[15:32] <dacresni> the ones that cause the screen to go black and you have to restart ... are those kernel panics?
[15:32] <sirfilip> kubuntu rocks
[15:33] <dacresni> um help?
[15:33] <sirfilip> just got it installed and my face hurts from hapiness
[15:33] <yofel> dacresni: if you mean crash stacktraces, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[15:33] <yofel> dacresni: alloc magic in what context?
[15:34] <dacresni> thanks
[15:34] <orst3n> its trash the new package manager muon isnt even able to disable prerlsed doftware updates
[15:34] <dacresni> i get them sometimes when grub boots a kernel
[15:34] <phoenix_firebrd> sirfilip: enjoy
[15:34] <orst3n> it always gets rechecked
[15:34] <orst3n> :p
[15:34] <gwallace123> I tried the the do-release-upgrade and got a response back that no upgrades exist.  Can anyone tell me what kernel version I should be running for 11.10?
[15:34] <yofel> dacresni: and black screen instead of login was the graphics driver just shutting the card off instead of doing something useful I think - not a kernel panic
[15:34] <dacresni> OH
[15:34] <dacresni> thats interesting
[15:34] <yofel> gwallace123: 3.0.0-12
[15:35] <phoenix_firebrd> i see a lot of negative comments on muon
[15:35] <gwallace123> yofel: OK, just making sure I have been upgrade.  Thanks
[15:35] <dacresni> so my grub background is cyan and so is the screen where the "alloc magic is broken " occurs
[15:35] <dacresni> message occors
[15:35] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: tell them to file bugs, complains that never reach the dev don't have any use
[15:35] <dacresni> so i think is grub
[15:36] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i wont do that, muon is very good and nothing wrong with it
[15:36] <yofel> dacresni: hm, seems to be grub http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/mint-linux/170539-what-does-alloc-magic-broken-mean.html
[15:36] <phoenix_firebrd> muon is very good and felows you have to adapt the new interface
[15:36] <orst3n> yofel i dont get why muon gets in final with such bugs.
[15:36] <orst3n> is there no testing?
[15:37] <orst3n> i like it, but with such a error..
[15:37] <yofel> orst3n: sure there is, no grave issues have been found
[15:37] <orst3n> ubuntu n00bs will like such failures..
[15:37] <dacresni> ok, here's a more important one. I am going to try to update. and the graphics card as you say, is dying so I try CLI,
[15:37] <yofel> orst3n: which pre-released software updates do you mean?
[15:37] <dacresni> im only on wireless
[15:37] <dacresni> how do i configure my wireless card via cli ?
[15:38] <yofel> orst3n: hm, those shouldn't be on by default
[15:38] <dacresni> orst3n:  there was testing. .. i was one of the beta testers ... kind of
[15:38] <orst3n> i enabled them, but i cant disable them
[15:38] <dacresni> i would submit bugs if i had a porblem with Muon
[15:38] <orst3n> worked fine with synaptic
[15:38] <dacresni> but then, thats a long way fo saying "works for me"
[15:39] <yofel> orst3n: ok, reproduced o.O
[15:39] <yofel> that's not muon but software-properties-kde though
[15:39] <yofel> bug still
[15:39] <orst3n> :)
[15:41] <orst3n> ill use kubuntu since gutsy and in like every update there is a new buggy way to manage packages.
[15:41] <orst3n> seens a few come and go already
[15:41] <i1920x1080> the kmail migrator is failing on me miserably. This is potentially scary stuff. What am I supposed to do? Copy ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/ to ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail2/ manually?
[15:42] <yofel> i1920x1080: please read https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail2
[15:42] <dacresni> ok,
[15:42] <dacresni> ok, so should I contenu triggering the graphics bug doing a graphical update or triggering it doing a nongraphical update
[15:45] <dacresni> perhaps i should phrase that better
[15:45] <bodom> Hi there. After upgrading to oneric, network manager is erasing my resolv.conf at every boot. Any ideas on how to stop that?
[15:46] <dacresni> hm
[15:46] <dacresni> hmmm
[15:47] <dacresni> you could reproduce your resolv .conf via network manager right?
[15:48] <bodom> dacresni: what do you mean with "reproduce"?
[15:48] <i1920x1080> yofel, thanks, I am getting much further than yesterday
[15:49] <dacresni> rats, im kind of forgetting what resolv.conf does bodom, remind me please
[15:49] <bodom> dacresni: it contains DNS/domain config
[15:49] <dacresni> oh right,
[15:50] <dacresni> thats what i mean you could inter all that information via network manager
[15:50] <dacresni> you are using kde right?
[15:50] <i1920x1080> is plasma notifier spamming me with "kmail folders: cannot modify emails in folder" normal? I must have gotten 600 notifications and it's still going?
[15:51] <bodom> dacresni: yep, I'm using kde but I don't want network manager to touch my resolv.conf.
[15:51] <dacresni> hmm
[15:52] <dacresni> im saying that kde may be generating the resolv.conf using Network Manager
[15:52] <cablop> how can i create a launcher for an app in a dock?
[15:52] <cablop> i mean panel?
[15:52] <cablop> how?
[15:52] <dacresni> if you choose not to use it by installing some other network configuration tool,
[15:52] <dacresni> is it a pannel widgit ?
[15:52] <cablop> mmm i guess
[15:53] <dacresni> how did it get in your pannel?
[15:53] <cablop> i just right clicked on desktop and added an empty panel
[15:53] <dacresni> no he app (what is this "app ')
[15:53] <dacresni> ?
[15:53] <dacresni> what is this app ?
[15:53] <bodom> dacresni: network manager correctly says my interface is "unmanaged". I'm not using any other tool
[15:53] <dacresni> oh ok,
[15:53] <dacresni> hmm
[15:54] <dacresni> sigh, it pains me to say this, sometimes ubuntu is easier than CentOS , ...... Sometime not
[15:57] <cablop> i want to create a dock using a kde panel
[15:57] <cablop> but the wuick launch thing is not working
[15:58] <cablop> if the path to an app has an space then it is unable to create a launcher for it
[15:58] <cablop> sigh
[15:58] <dacresni> what path?
[15:58] <dacresni> put qoutations around the path,
[15:58] <dacresni> or a backslash in front of the space
[15:59] <cablop> i cannot
[15:59] <cablop> it asked me to browse for the application
[15:59] <dacresni> what app? !
[15:59] <cablop> then i browsed then clicked
[15:59] <cablop> i added an empty panel
[15:59] <cablop> then i added a quick launcher
[15:59] <cablop> then i right clicked on it to add another launcher
[16:00] <cablop> then it ask me to browse for the application, that is eclipse, not installed by any repo or anuthing
[16:00] <bodom> well, I've uninstalled network-manager. Sounds drastic, but should solve my issue :)
[16:00] <cablop> then i just browsed to the eclipse executable and
[16:00] <cablop> it fails saying it cannot find it
[16:00] <dacresni> bodom:  it should
[16:00] <cablop> ¬¬
[16:00] <dacresni> strange
[16:00] <weboh> How do I download updates using the Ubuntu desktop?
[16:01] <cablop> i am doing this a very very old fashioned style
[16:01] <cablop> adding a folder view and putting .desktop files on them ¬¬
[16:01] <cablop> no time to deal with buggy things :(
[16:01] <dacresni> well,
[16:01] <dacresni> you browsed to the eclips jar ?
[16:01] <Guest30278> hi
[16:01] <cablop> not a jar, it is a .sh
[16:02] <dacresni> hmm
[16:02] <cablop> well, not exactl;y a .sh, let me check what it is
[16:02] <cablop> no, it is a binary
[16:02] <Guest30278> just installed kubuntu 11.10 on a netbook, and i am wondering if it's possible to remove or autohide the top panel
[16:02] <cablop> Guest30278: my recommendation don't use it in netbook mode
[16:02] <dacresni> weboh: which desktop, theres's a program called kPackage kit
[16:03] <cablop> then right click the panel, then more settings then autohide
[16:03] <Guest30278> I have no problem doing it with a normal KDE desktop, but with the kubuntu netbook edition i can't find an option
[16:04] <Tweev> I am trying to add a network printer but my KDE Control module crashes before I can get through the install new printer process.  Is there a way to do it from terminal?
[16:05] <weboh> just find the update manager.
[16:05] <Guest30278> cablop: thanks i just switched to desktop mode and my option is back :)
[16:05] <cablop> :)
[16:06] <i1920x1080> damn. kmail2 completely mangled several thousand messages into the wrong folders :/
[16:06] <bodom> Mhhh... is there a way to restore the previous icon on the upper-right corner of my desktop? Now there is a label too
[16:07] <weboh> dacresni: It would seem there is an update manager buried in the main icon window in ubuntu 11.04
[16:07] <cablop> where are the .desktop files?
[16:08] <GirlyGirl> cablop: like shortcuts
[16:08] <dacresni> actally, cablop, eclipse may have come with a desktop file
[16:09] <dacresni> otherwise, plasma doesn't quite use them
[16:09] <cablop> nope, because i just unzipped it
[16:09] <cablop> well i need to recreate the links i had on gnome
[16:09] <dacresni> have you actually run eclips from the cli ?
[16:10] <cablop> anyway i need to create some custom launchers
[16:10] <cablop> like one for a custom profile of firefox i use for development
[16:10] <cablop> so i need to add some custom launchers
[16:10] <dacresni> oh
[16:11] <dacresni> you're one of those who actually know what your doing, sorry for doubting you
[16:11] <dacresni> try right clikcing on the desktop
[16:11] <cablop> lol
[16:11] <dacresni> what mode is our desktop in?
[16:11] <cablop> i had them in my gnome, but i decided to move to KDe now
[16:11] <cablop> i need a customizable desktop not a fascist one
[16:12] <cablop> i tested unity a few minutes
[16:12] <cablop> discarded
[16:12] <cablop> then gnome 3
[16:12] <cablop> discarded
[16:12] <cablop> looks cute yes
[16:12] <FloodBotK2> cablop: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:12] <FloodBotK1> cablop: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:12] <cablop> but unusable
[16:13] <cablop> then KDE after a few minutes i feel comfortable
[16:13] <dacresni> no i mean, have you tried setting your desktop to folder view mode
[16:13] <cablop> :)
[16:13] <dacresni> also, gnome classic is still being mantained
[16:13] <cablop> my desktop is in desktop mode
[16:13] <cablop> but not for long
[16:13] <dacresni> if it was in folder view mode, it could represent a folder  (name desktop  perhaps)
[16:13] <cablop> to try toistall the gnome 2.x on ubuntu 11.10 would be a real pain i bet
[16:13] <Tweev> I am trying to add a network printer but my KDE Control module crashes before I can get through the install new printer process.  Is there a way to do it from terminal?
[16:13] <dacresni> then if you had .desktop files in that folder. ...
[16:14] <dacresni> no, just start it in classic
[16:14] <dacresni> on ubuntu, i thought it was still an option
[16:14] <dacresni> oh woops Tweev
[16:14] <cablop> dacresni: it is just a gnome 3 with a few things, but no extra panels and i canot reach them :(
[16:14] <cablop> dacresni, they removed it
[16:14] <dacresni> gnome 3 with unity right?
[16:15] <cablop> yes
[16:15] <dacresni> hmm
[16:15] <dacresni> tweev is there an errror message when it crashes ?
[16:16] <Tweev> dacresni, I don't see one but I'm just adding the debugging packages now
[16:16] <dacresni> so light dm doesn't have the "gnome classic " login option? cablop
[16:16] <dacresni> oh
[16:16] <dacresni> perhaps that will allow it
[16:16] <cablop> it is called gnome classic, but it is far different than gnome 2.x
[16:16] <dacresni> how ?
[16:17] <dacresni> Tweev:  how are you adding that  priner? from "System settings"?
[16:17] <Tweev> dacresni 'printer Configeration - KDE Control Module'
[16:18] <dacresni> kde control module ?
[16:18] <dacresni> what version of kubuntu are you on?
[16:18] <bodom> Mhhh looks like it's an activity... so... how do I remove plasma activities?
[16:18] <Tweev> kubuntu 11.10
[16:19] <dacresni> hmm
[16:19] <dacresni> I see
[16:19] <Tweev> dacresni: everything had been working great up to this point
[16:19] <dacresni> bodom: you can't remove them  they are ABOVE virtual deskotps kind of
[16:19] <dacresni> try activities ( the desktop tab in the upper right)
[16:20] <maco> dacresni, cablop: i dont think unity uses gnome3...   the options in 11.10 that are preinstalled are unity 2d and unity 3d.  11.04 it was unity 3d or gnome classic, which was gnome 2.  for 11.10, gnome 2 and 3 should both be in the repos but not preinstalled
[16:20] <dacresni> or  the 3 colored dots in the pannel next to the kicker menu
[16:20] <cablop> maco it is gnome 3
[16:20] <dacresni> technicaly its gnome 3 because
[16:20] <dacresni> its using those programs and gtk3
[16:20] <cablop> because gnome 2.x development had stopped
[16:20] <bodom> dacresni: thank you
[16:20] <dacresni> you may be thinking of gnome_shell
[16:21] <cablop> yes, the roblem is the shell
[16:21] <maco> 11.04's unity was gnome 2 based, but then they did do a whole bunch of rewriting stuff as PyGI instead of PyGTK this round so maybe
[16:21] <cjae> what exactly does write into mean when you are using copy paste with dolphin?
[16:21] <dacresni> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/08/installing-using-classic-gnome-desktop.html
[16:22] <siganderson> the clock in the system tray disappeared... is it normal?
[16:22] <dacresni> no
[16:22] <dacresni> siganderson: do you know how to add widgits to the pannel  ?
[16:23] <siganderson> dacresni, yes I readded it but I can't put it nomore in the same place where it was before
[16:23] <dacresni> hmm,
[16:23] <siganderson> the show hidden icons triangle now appears before the time
[16:24] <dacresni> you can move them around when the panel is in edit mode
[16:24] <siganderson> yes, but I can't put it in the middle of the audio volume / network manager / show hidden icons group
[16:25] <dacresni> when you mouse over the various widgits a tab appears above them, try moving that
[16:25] <dacresni> those are "system notifications " widigit
[16:26] <dacresni> thats one widgit
[16:26] <dacresni> cjae: im not sure
[16:27] <dacresni> cablop: have you tried that linlk ?
[16:27] <dacresni> Tweev:  I've been using the beta, let me restart into it
[16:27] <dacresni> be right back
[16:27] <Tweev> descresni: Thanks, I'm just filing a bug report
[16:29] <cablop> i think i am going to use a kubuntu alternate install cd and reinstall this thing to get rid of that unity and that gnome shell
[16:29] <cablop> :(
[16:33] <cablop> what link dacresni?
[16:37] <PasNox> hello
[16:37] <PasNox> i'm applying this howto
[16:37] <PasNox> http://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/Shared_Database
[16:37] <PasNox> i stopped mysql, make a backup of the my.cnf, and repalced it with the provided cnf file
[16:38] <PasNox> but when i try to start mysql using 'sudo service mysql start'
[16:38] <PasNox> it freeze many seconds, then die with no mysql running. sometimes it think mysql is running but it's not. any hint  ?
[16:57] <dacresni> this chat client doesn't keep a history does anyone have questions for me?
[16:57] <dacresni> still
[16:57] <dacresni> i guess not
[17:00] <jmichaelx> anyone else get tons of errors installing ssl certs during upgrade to oneiric?
[17:02] <edroid> how do you rename an desktop activity?
[17:04] <BarkingFish> Oh thank God. I've finally managed to raise someone.
[17:05] <BarkingFish> You wouldn't believe the last 24 hours, I've had so much trouble this end I've been on the point of throwing my computer away.
[17:06] <jmichaelx> BarkingFish: i'm somewhat scared to ask, but what have you run into?
[17:06] <BarkingFish> I started the upgrade to Oneiric yesterday, and the install wouldn't work from kpackagekit. So I went into konsole and ran it manually, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.  That went fine until it got round to installing one of the 1890 packages it downloaded.
[17:06] <BarkingFish> It got to about the 1500th package, and died. I restarted and lost everything. And I mean everything
[17:07] <BarkingFish> I am back to running natty, which I've installed from a USB stick, but again, the system now wants me to upgrade to oneiric. And I'm not doing that :S
[17:08] <BarkingFish> I actually spent 45 minutes last night running Mandriva 2005LE... with KDE 3.3.2 onboard.
[17:08] <BarkingFish> That was an experience
[17:08] <jmichaelx> BarkingFish: i don't remember how, but there is a simple way to shut those notifications off
[17:08] <krise> and i dought that i had problems
[17:08] <jmichaelx> BarkingFish: what was your problem with oneiric?
[17:09] <BarkingFish> the install itself, jmichaelx
[17:09] <BarkingFish> kpackagekit failed, dist-upgrade through the konsole died and left me with nothing
[17:10] <BarkingFish> I'm not risking going through that scenario again until I can DL an iso of Oneiric and install it through CD
[17:10] <jmichaelx> maybe i should not even ask this, but have you considered trying to just do a live upgrade to oneiric
[17:10] <jmichaelx> ?
[17:10] <BarkingFish> that *was* what I did, jmichaelx
[17:10] <krise> i lost my right klick and aoidio when useing amarok, VLC works fine
[17:10] <jmichaelx> BarkingFish: how did you go about it?
[17:11] <BarkingFish> i went from natty through konsole, and ran sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:11] <BarkingFish> which downloaded around 1800+ packages, and started upgrading me on the fly
[17:11] <BluesKaj> kpackagekit has always been unreliable , BarkingFish ...whynot just use the terminal ?
[17:11] <BarkingFish> ...
[17:11] <BarkingFish> look up :)
[17:12] <BarkingFish> i went from natty through konsole, and ran sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:12] <krise> mabe he cant read
[17:12] <BluesKaj> bad internet ?
[17:12] <jmichaelx> krise: you may want to look at your phonon configuration... System Settings>Multimedia>Phonon>Music
[17:12] <krise> i did
[17:12] <krise> still dont understand whats wrong
[17:12] <krise> no youtube sound eather
[17:13] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj: no, it was fine. The packages all downloaded, it was while it was installing them that the machine hung solid.  I couldn't get to a VT, couldn't move the mouse, BluesKaj- nothing
[17:13] <BarkingFish> I had to force shutdown with holding the power switch, rebooted and it didn't do anything, just sat there like a rabbit in headlights
[17:13] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, wow ..which mirror ?
[17:13] <BarkingFish> gb.archive
[17:13] <jmichaelx> krise: are you using pulseaudio?
[17:14] <krise> yes
[17:14] <krise> no
[17:14] <krise> kmix
[17:14] <jmichaelx> krise: are you able to adjust any of the sliders in alsamixer?
[17:14] <BluesKaj> hmm, BarkingFish isn't that the main server for ubuntu
[17:14] <krise> iyes i am
[17:15] <BarkingFish> it's the one I had in my software sources, BluesKaj
[17:15] <Anubis> hi there
[17:15] <jmichaelx> krise: kmix is just a GUI for adjusting volume, etc... but unaless you have remoeved pulseaudio, that is probably what you are using
[17:15] <krise> mabe
[17:15] <Anubis> is there a way to get rid of akonadi without disrupting kde ?
[17:16] <jmichaelx> krise: have you made sure that all of the necessary alsamixer sliders are cranked up?
[17:17] <BluesKaj> right , that's a bloody shame ...I didn't get any updates at all with the USA boston U  server , then I switched to the Waterloo U server here in Ontario and a few upgraded packages came down , seems not all servers are synced up with available updates/packages
[17:17] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, ^
[17:17] <BarkingFish> i'll make sure it's right though, BluesKaj - the source line reads deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu natty main
[17:17] <krise> yes
[17:18] <BarkingFish> I wonder if I switch to the main server, i.e drop the gb from the deb line, whether that would work better, BluesKaj
[17:20] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, if the gbarchive is the main brit server it could have been overloaded with requests during your upgrade . I thought you were upgrading to 11.10 ...why the natty deb?
[17:22] <BluesKaj> ok gotta go for a bit ...BBL
[17:22] <BarkingFish> see you in a while
[17:22] <BarkingFish> i'll still be here, hopefully, assuming my system now holds out :)
[17:23] <edroid> how do you rename an desktop activity?
[17:23] <BarkingFish> jmichaelx: I found out how to turn the updates notification off in kpackagekit
[17:24] <ScottyK> Just upgraded my third computer to 11.10, and this release has been the smoothest upgrade I've ever had with Kubuntu. well done!
[17:24] <BarkingFish> ScottyK: Welcome to "I am so jealous" :P
[17:24] <BarkingFish> My experience of this upgrade has been pure hell from start to finish, and I'm *so* envious of you :)
[17:25]  * jmichaelx also thinks that these upgrades have been quite smoothe
[17:25] <ScottyK> Barking - Wow, I'd like to know what I did right this time around! The transition from 10.10 to 11.04 hurt
[17:26] <BarkingFish> I started o 11.04 with a cd iso, 11.04 is beautiful. My first upgrade to 11.10 has been like stabbing myself in the eyes with red hot dressmakers pins, which incidentally, I'd rather have done :)
[17:26] <jmichaelx> however, i REALLY do not like it that the upgrade wiped out wireless settings
[17:27] <BarkingFish> i'm gonna drop off for a bit, seems my network is slow and it's fighting IRC for bandwidth with software sources refresh :)
[17:27] <BarkingFish> back in a bit
[17:36] <jtr> i cant hear voice from my speakers after upgrading from natty to oneric
[17:37] <jtr> sound is played when i use phonon test utility but vlc, amarok = no sound
[17:37] <jtr> any help?
[17:38] <jmichaelx> hmmm, just finished upgrading another machine, and i also have no audio
[17:39] <jtr> my friend tried this:
[17:39] <jtr> pulseaudio --kill
[17:39] <jmichaelx> 'pulseaudio unable to connect'
[17:39] <jtr> alsa reload
[17:39] <jtr> it worked for him
[17:39] <jtr> try this
[17:39] <Peace-> jmichaelx: konsole : alsamixer -V all
[17:39] <Peace-> put every thing to max
[17:40] <merlin1991> guys I'm trying to install kubuntu, using the live image, I did md5sum the iso, went fine, burned the cd, did md5sum against the cd content went fine too
[17:40] <merlin1991> but now when I boot it up and go to the install / start option i end up with initramfs unable to afind a mdeium contianing a live filesystem
[17:40] <merlin1991> woha typos :$
[17:40] <yofel> merlin1991: mac?
[17:40] <Peace-> merlin1991: download a new iso , alternate one shoudl be fine
[17:41] <merlin1991> pc, and alternate did fail too
[17:41] <Peace-> merlin1991: have you burned the cd at incredibile speed?
[17:41] <jtr> 'pc'?
[17:41] <Peace-> jtr: xp..
[17:42] <jmichaelx> Peace-: my problems appear to be more serious than that... for one thing, somehow it appears to have set my webcam mic to be my primary audio device??
[17:42] <jtr> jmichaelx open 'phonon'
[17:42] <merlin1991> Peace-: afaik not, but I did check the disk content agains the md5sum.txt in the root dir of the disk and that check passed fine
[17:42] <Peace-> jmichaelx: please make a screenshot of alsamixer -V all
[17:43] <Peace-> merlin1991: dunno, i would burn the cd to 2x
[17:43] <merlin1991> I assume the cdrom drive should be /dev/cdsomething?
[17:43] <jmichaelx> Peace-: it won't even let me open phonon settings lol
[17:43] <yofel> merlin1991: http://askubuntu.com/questions/15425/unable-to-find-a-medium-containing-a-live-file-system-error-when-installing maybe?
[17:43] <jtr> what error while opening phonon?
[17:43] <yofel> merlin1991: and cd is usually /dev/sr{NUM}
[17:43] <Peace-> jmichaelx: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/10/14/plasma-desktopjL1328.jpg
[17:44] <Peace-> jmichaelx:  idon't care about phonon
[17:44] <jmichaelx> jtr: no error, it just hangs, and app has to be terminated
[17:44] <merlin1991> hm no /dev/sr*
[17:44] <jmichaelx> Peace-: looking at alsamixer wasthe first thing i did
[17:45] <Peace-> i want a screenshot.
[17:45] <merlin1991> yofel: that question solves a usb problem, I'm booting form a plain old cd
[17:45] <merlin1991> I kinda wonder why I get no dev node for the cd
[17:45] <yofel> oh right, sorry :/
[17:45] <jtr> i think Peace knows better..i am a newbie too..i tried this today and it worked for me , i first killed pulseaudio and reloaded alsa and magic! it worked
[17:45] <jtr> when i restarted , came back to same issue
[17:45] <jmichaelx> jtr: i did try that, but it did not work
[17:46] <merlin1991> what could prevent the kernel from finding the cd drive?
[17:46] <jtr> jmichaelx - try dpkg-reconfigure -a ( maybe some packages were broken )
[17:47] <ChinaMan> Hello folx
[17:47] <jmichaelx> jtr: no packages were broken. apt is working fine
[17:47] <ChinaMan> I am new to LibreOffice and I can't seem to find how to change the units from Imperial to Metric. How do I do so?
[17:47] <jtr> and phonon is not ?
[17:47] <yofel> jmichaelx: any errors when you run 'kcmshell4 phonon' in konsole?
[17:48] <yofel> merlin1991: not sure, I know one person that got this when booting a CD, and that was on a mac (similiar to http://b3ns.com/2011/08/ubuntu-11-04-macbook-pro-unable-to-find-a-medium-containing-a-live-file-system/)
[17:49] <jmichaelx> yofel: ty, that allowed the phonon settings to appear
[17:49] <yofel> he somehow managed to boot while having a CD AND an live USB drive plugged in
[17:50] <merlin1991> I did install debian 3 days ago no problem, I'll try using a usb stick though
[17:50] <ChinaMan> Let me rephrase: I am using Kubuntu 11.10 and discovering LibreOffice and would like to know how to change the units from Imperial to Metric :)
[17:51] <jtr> jmichaelx : problem solved ??
[17:52] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, if your phonon hangs that's probly due to the a problem with it's default audiom device...best to do lsmod | grep snd , to see what kernel audio modules are loaded
[17:52] <flying_sheep> hi
[17:54] <flying_sheep> i have a problem: after the dist-upgrade kded4 refuses to work. starting it from the console reveals rambling about missing dbus connection to "muon-notifier", but i also have stack traces
[17:54] <flying_sheep> is this a known problem or should i show you the traces?
[17:54] <jtr> BluesKaj : i have the same problem ( sound not playing in application )
[17:54] <jtr> here is my lsmod | grep snd output
[17:54] <jtr> http://paste.kde.org/133801/
[17:55] <jmichaelx> jtr: yofel: BluesKaj: ok, what happened is that during the upgrade, phonon appears to have stupidly decided to set my webcam microphone as my system-wide default audio device
[17:55] <jtr> u changed it in phonon?
[17:55] <jmichaelx> jtr: yes
[17:55] <jtr> working ??
[17:56] <Peace-> flying_sheep:  have you tried to reinstall kde packages?
[17:56] <yofel> great, reminds me of how it sets my HDMI output to default every now and then even though nothing's connected there
[17:56] <jmichaelx> jtr: at least partially
[17:56] <flying_sheep> which ones? all of them?!
[17:56] <jtr> mine still aint :(
[17:56] <flying_sheep> Peace-: all of them?
[17:57] <jmichaelx> yofel: same here.... my default device was my webcam mic, dhmi was next on the list, and my actual audio device was listed last
[17:57] <BluesKaj> jtr, run this , sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel
[17:57] <krise> ChinaMan look here  http://guide2office.com/135/changing-units-of-measure-in-openoffice-inches-to-cm/
[17:57] <Peace-> flying_sheep:  well if you want be sure i would do that
[17:57] <Peace-> flying_sheep: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/reinstall-kde/
[17:58] <merlin1991> can I just dd the iso image to a usb stick like it works with debian=
[17:58] <krise> is there any way i can access my home computer from my laptop when im away
[17:58] <merlin1991> s/=/?
[17:58] <jtr> BluesKaj: still not working :(
[17:58] <flying_sheep> Peace-: oof, i better get my notebook down here. usb-transfer is way faster if i don't have to take the stairs every time
[17:58] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, test the devices listed in phonon , choose on nthat works and apply it to all devices
[17:58] <jtr> no sound in vlc
[17:58] <jmichaelx> ok, one more thing KDE needs to cut out is this deal where a person gets 3 or 4 notifications all at the same time, rapid-fire style. i have all nepomuk garbage disabled, and it is constantly warning me that nepomuk is disabled
[17:58] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: already done
[17:59] <BluesKaj> ok
[17:59] <ChinaMan> krise thank you very much. I was not successful with Google finding an answer :)
[17:59] <jtr> krise : remote desktop client
[17:59] <jmichaelx> many thanks for the help, yofel, BluesKaj, jtr
[17:59] <BluesKaj> jtr , read the post above to jmichaelx , do that as well
[18:00] <jtr> jmichaelx : :)
[18:00] <jtr> BluesKaj : i have been doing all that
[18:00] <BluesKaj> close any players and reopen them after changing settings. jtr
[18:00] <jtr> did
[18:00] <krise> thanks jtr
[18:01] <jtr> :)
[18:01] <BluesKaj> jtr, pulseaudio installed ?
[18:01] <jtr> ya....it shows a "pulseaudio server" for all audio
[18:02] <BluesKaj> jtr, is it listed in phonon ?
[18:02] <jtr> yes
[18:02] <jmichaelx> i was unfamiliar with kcmshell... glad to know that is there
[18:02] <krise> itr is your sound working with amarok on youtube or something
[18:03] <jtr> it says "PulseAudio Sound Server"
[18:03] <krise> my audio works only with vlc
[18:03] <jtr> no with nothing
[18:03] <jtr> BluesKaj : help us!
[18:03] <krise> i had more luck than
[18:04] <jtr> BluesKaj: i previously had alsa device being displayed in phonon utility, that is the last time it worked
[18:05] <krise> mabe you farting too loud and you cant hear the sound
[18:05] <BluesKaj> jtr, does pulseaudio in phonon give any sound when you hit the test button
[18:05] <jtr> no doesnt
[18:06] <merlin1991> woha
[18:06] <merlin1991> yofel: I've set sata mode option in the bios from ide to ahci, and now it did work
[18:07] <jtr> BluesKaj: worked!
[18:07] <jtr> i did  - alsamixer reload and it opened the alsa screenshot like utiliy in terminal
[18:08]  * merlin1991 hopes that the fsckd windows will still work after that change
[18:08] <jtr> in that i selected the HDMI intel sound card
[18:08] <ChinaMan> I tried to install some new window decorations, example perfection aurorae, but they do not work. They flicker on mouse hover. The only one that works is Oxygen. Do I need to install something else to make the Aurorae window decorations work?
[18:08] <jtr> thanks a lot BluesKaj  :) :)
[18:09]  * BluesKaj shrugs ... jtr , you helped yourself as much as I did :)
[18:09] <jtr> but thank for you time :)
[18:09] <jtr> is there a way to permanently correct this problem?
[18:09] <Peace-> alsa store
[18:09] <Peace-> i guess
[18:10] <jtr> the daemon for pulseaudio always starts up and prevents alsa from running
[18:10] <jtr> i think!
[18:10] <BluesKaj> ok, gotta go check the postbox for paper mail
[18:10] <jtr> not sure
[18:10] <jtr> 'postbox for papermail' ?
[18:10] <jmichaelx> now i have ANOTHER massive problem!!! volume control in moc does not work....
[18:10] <jmichaelx> :-D
[18:10] <jtr> 'moc'?
[18:10] <jtr> app?
[18:10] <BluesKaj> jtr, alsactl store in the terminal
[18:11] <jtr> okay
[18:11] <jmichaelx> jtp.... mailbox for snailmail
[18:11] <jtr> snailmail is an app i assume
[18:11] <jmichaelx> jtr: moc = 'music on console'... very sweet console-based music player
[18:11] <BluesKaj> no jtr alsa is always running ... pulseaudio is sound server that runs on top of alsa
[18:12] <BluesKaj> alsa is your audio card driver
[18:12] <jtr> okay  got it!
[18:12] <jmichaelx> jtr: and it's not such a massive problem, althoug i spent hours in natty trying to get the volume control in moc working again
[18:13] <merlin1991> I've set my system up without swap since it has 8gb of memory, I guess I should be on the safe side with that?
[18:13] <jtr> tried sudo alsactl store says -  Home directory /home/jtr is not ours.
[18:13] <Joshun> hi
[18:14] <jmichaelx> merlin1991: i know that  lot of people with that much RAM are not using swap, but i still think i would
[18:14] <Joshun> kwallet isn't working properly with wifi passwords
[18:14] <Joshun> is there any way of fixing this?!
[18:14] <BarkingFish> Joshun: have you set up network manager to store your wifi passwords in encrypted storage>
[18:14] <BarkingFish> ?
[18:15] <Joshun> well i don't want the annoying pop up boxes
[18:15] <Joshun> so i set the kwallet password to blank
[18:15] <Joshun> but then it doesn't store it
[18:15] <BarkingFish> Which is why it won't work.
[18:15] <Joshun> i've tried setting a password for kwallet too
[18:15] <Joshun> and then re-doing the wifi
[18:15] <Joshun> but that doesn't work either
[18:15] <Joshun> it worked before in kde 4.6
[18:16] <BarkingFish> yes, well you will need to set network manager to store in encrypted storage.  I'm running 4.6.2 here and it's fine.
[18:16]  * jmichaelx appears to have lost all of his wifi settings during the upgrade
[18:16] <Joshun> it is set to store it in encrypted storage. that is default anyway
[18:16] <Joshun> unencrypted doesn't work either
[18:17] <BarkingFish> Once you do that, the next time kwallet opens you should get a box that says "network manager has requested to open a wallet, allow once, allow always, deny"
[18:17] <Joshun> i clicked 'allow always'
[18:17] <jmichaelx> lubuntu is now an official *buntu? i had no idea
[18:17] <BarkingFish> if it's not working then I'm not entirely sure. My wifi passwords are stored in kwallet and it's fine.
[18:17] <Joshun> unless its a kde 4.7 regression
[18:18] <Joshun> the odd thing is i can't find anything about it
[18:18] <jtr> i have a very stupid question...but please answer this in a jiffy and get over with : can i commit to bugs.kde.org without applying for a developer in identity.kde.org account ???
[18:18] <Torch> jtr: yes
[18:18] <Joshun> oh
[18:18] <Joshun> system connection works for some reason
[18:18] <jtr> and how do i do that?
[18:18] <Joshun> it remembers that
[18:19] <ChinaMan> Do I need to install something else to make the Aurorae window decorations work? They don't work for me.
[18:19] <Torch> jtr: yeshttps://bugs.kde.org/createaccount.cgi
[18:19] <Torch> oops
[18:19] <Torch> jtr: https://bugs.kde.org/createaccount.cgi
[18:19] <jtr> i have an account there
[18:20] <jtr> with the same email id as the identity.kde account
[18:20] <Torch> jtr: and what's the issue?
[18:20] <jtr> but the problem is, how do i get a write-access git clone ??
[18:20] <jtr> or do i have to locally clone and commit?
[18:20] <jtr> is the latter even possible?
[18:20] <Torch> jtr: wait... you wanted to report bugs, right?
[18:20] <Torch> jtr: so what do you need git access for?
[18:21] <jtr> so you mean i cannot commit without getting a developer access?
[18:21] <jtr> i want to solve bugs!
[18:21] <Torch> jtr: ah
[18:21] <jtr> i wanna try the junior jobs :P
[18:21] <Torch> jtr: if you want to commit code. you need a developer account
[18:22] <Torch> jtr: also, try #kde-devel for those questions
[18:22] <jtr> even for the junior jobs?
[18:22] <Torch> jtr: you can checkout the code without write access and fix the bugs
[18:22] <Torch> jtr: i have no idea how the junior jobs work, never did those
[18:22] <jtr> sorry i didnt know where to ask :(
[18:22] <jtr> but thanks anyways
[18:22] <Torch> jtr: #kde-devel is the place to ask
[18:22] <jtr> i'll ask at the other channel
[18:24] <ChinaMan> Can someone help me with window decorations?
[18:26] <ElectricKetchup> hey #kubuntu, I'm running Kubuntu on my desktop and it keeps popping up a message telling me there's a new version of Kubuntu.  How can I tell the program, "I understand there's a new version, and maybe I'll upgrade later, but I'm busy trying to get some work done so don't bother me for a few hours." ?  It seems to be popping up every few minutes even though I close the popup each time.
[18:27] <BluesKaj> ElectricKetchup, go into your software center and disable upgrade notification
[18:27] <ElectricKetchup> BlaXpirit, where is software center?
[18:28] <BlaXpirit> sorry?
[18:28] <ElectricKetchup> crap sorry wrong autocomplete
[18:28] <ElectricKetchup> BluesKaj, where is software center?
[18:28] <BlaXpirit> Muon
[18:28] <BlaXpirit> Kickoff and type Muon
[18:28] <yofel> ElectricKetchup: alt+f2, run 'kdesudo software-properties-kde' and at the update tab change "show new distribution releases" to never
[18:30]  * BluesKaj relaxes :)
[18:30] <ElectricKetchup> BluesKaj, yofel, Thanks sooo soo much!  That has been bothering me so much the past few days
[18:31] <BluesKaj> oops no software center in 11.10 ...that's how nuch I use it :)
[18:31] <ChinaMan> Let me try again :) How can I install Aurorae window decorations? Anyone?
[18:33] <BluesKaj> ChinaMan, window decorations in system settings..check the "get new decor"
[18:34] <BluesKaj> kmenu > computer.>system settings
[18:34] <ChinaMan> BluesKaj: Yes, I tried that, but literally the only one that works is Oxygen. No matter which Aurorae based window deco I try, it flickers. As if I am missing something else to make them work.
[18:35] <jamil_1> Hi all, my system is refusing to boot beyond the blue kubuntu screen after I upgraded to 11.10
[18:36] <BluesKaj> ChinaMan, KDE seems suspended right now , maybe yofel can enlightenn us  ...I have some issues as well
[18:36] <ChinaMan> BluesKaj: KDE seems suspended?
[18:37]  * yofel wonders what BluesKaj means as well
[18:37] <jamil_1> my pc is utterly unusable
[18:37] <yofel> jamil_1: any self installed proprietary graphics drivers on your system?
[18:37] <ChinaMan> On one blog I read: to install a window deco you need an engine and a theme. Then another blog says that Aurorae has been a part of KDE since 4.3. But it doesn't work.
[18:38] <jamil_1> yofel: I had nvidia driver
[18:38] <yofel> jamil_1: installed from the package or upstream nvidia?
[18:39] <jamil_1> yofel: sorry I dont remember. I installed a long time ago
[18:39] <yofel> jamil_1: well, anyway, can you get to a tty when you press ctrl+alt+f2?
[18:39] <jamil_1> yofel: most probably from the package
[18:39] <jamil_1> yofel: yup
[18:40] <yofel> jamil_1: can you check for errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[18:40] <yofel> any line with [EE] in it
[18:40] <c2tarun> yofel, hi :)
[18:40] <yofel> hey c2tarun
[18:41] <c2tarun> yofel, how are you?
[18:41] <yofel> c2tarun: busy :P
[18:41] <jamil_1> yofel: yes there is error: Filed to load module "nvidia"
[18:41] <yofel> c2tarun: otherwise fine, it's weekend :)
[18:41] <c2tarun> like always ;)
[18:41] <jamil_1> yofel: also: No driver available
[18:41] <c2tarun> yofel, can you tell me how to load source code as a project into QtCreator for debugging?
[18:42] <BlaXpirit> How can I copy energy management settings and profiles from one account to another?
[18:42] <yofel> jamil_1: about what I feared... if you have a network connection, try to run 'sudo jockey-text'
[18:42] <yofel> that should install the right driver again
[18:42] <BluesKaj> yofel, cant resize any kate or dolphin pages , toolbar fonts won't integrate on root mode in dolphin or kate or system settings etc etc
[18:42] <yofel> c2tarun: nope, I usually don't use qtcreator
[18:43] <jamil_1> yofel: my network isn't working either
[18:43] <c2tarun> yofel, then how do you fix bugs in source code?
[18:43] <yofel> jamil_1: ok, then 'sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf' and reboot
[18:43] <yofel> c2tarun: VIM ?
[18:43] <c2tarun> yofel, hmm... great :)
[18:43] <yofel> :P
[18:43] <c2tarun> yofel, any suggestion where should I ask this question?
[18:44] <yofel> BluesKaj: that's.... new @_@
[18:44] <hallman> Why is it that ubuntu, a dist which strives to "Just Work(TM)", brings more problems in each update than any other dist I've tried?
[18:44] <Ddpbf> hallman use kubuntu instead
[18:44] <Ddpbf> ;)
[18:44] <hallman> I am..
[18:44] <hallman> Same shit though
[18:45] <yofel> BluesKaj: I think I can reproduce the font issue though...
[18:45] <Ddpbf> please, do not foul worrds
[18:45] <Ddpbf> *words
[18:45] <hallman> Well I'm just telling it as it is
[18:45] <BluesKaj> yofel, . it's been a problem for a few months  for me
[18:45] <hallman> I'm beyond tired of it, but too lazy to go back to a sensible dist
[18:45] <c2tarun> Ddpbf, sometimes kubuntu creates more prob then ubuntu :(
[18:46] <Ddpbf> c2tarun: it is possible
[18:46]  * c2tarun suggests always go for a fresh install :) and no upgrades
[18:46] <ChinaMan> hallman: what do consider a "sensible dist"?
[18:46] <hallman> Argh for instance
[18:46] <Ddpbf> Argh?
[18:46] <BlaXpirit> lol
[18:46] <Ddpbf> lol what it is
[18:46] <ChinaMan> Argh Linux? lol
[18:46] <hallman> Yeh
[18:46] <c2tarun> lol :)
[18:47] <c2tarun> really O_O
[18:47] <jamil_1> yofel: you on ?
[18:47] <c2tarun> I thought its an exclamatory word
[18:47] <hallman> ..Arch for those who didn't get the joke
[18:47] <yofel> jamil_1: yep
[18:47] <c2tarun> :/
[18:47] <jamil_1> yofel: I am still getting the same error in the Xorg log
[18:47]  * c2tarun too out of touch for jokes :(
[18:47] <yofel> jamil_1: even without xorg.conf?
[18:47]  * jmichaelx would totally run a distro named Argh Linux
[18:47] <jamil_1> yofel: yes
[18:48] <BlaXpirit> How can I copy energy management settings and profiles from one user to another? Better yet, can I make them global?
[18:48] <ChinaMan> Argh Linux sounds derogatory though, as in Argh! not again! :)
[18:48] <hallman> Gentoo is nice too.. Except that it takes ages for updated software to make it into their package system.
[18:48] <Ddpbf> hallman: actually i use arch, and it is not more different than any buntu
[18:48] <jmichaelx> hallman: i have been groeing more and more in my appreciation for gentoo
[18:48] <jmichaelx> growing*
[18:48] <hallman> Ddpbf: Well I have far far less problems with Arch.
[18:49] <Ddpbf> it is same just different package managment
[18:49] <Ddpbf> it is discutable, i am yousing both of them for two years
[18:49] <Ddpbf> i have same amount of problemms on both sistems
[18:49] <hallman> The package management is what mainly disturbs me about ubuntu, it just keeps uninstalling vital applications for me!
[18:49] <Ddpbf> on same pc
[18:49] <BlaXpirit> Oh come on! Where does KDE keep the power management settingss?
[18:50] <jmichaelx> using gentoo is not tremendously more complicated than using ubuntu, just much more time consuming to set up and configure.... after that, rolling release is pretty nice
[18:50] <Ddpbf> hallman: how come?
[18:50] <yofel> jamil_1: hm, can you still try to run jockey-text and see if you can *remove* a driver in there?
[18:50]  * yofel has to go, sorry
[18:50] <jamil_1> no problem mate
[18:50] <Ddpbf> jmichaelx: it takes hell lot more time to install anything on gentoo
[18:50] <hallman> Ddpbf: I guess the ubuntu team decided that they HAD to push out a new update, but woops, my apps were not supported so bye bye to those! Maybe next update, chap.
[18:51] <Ddpbf> hallman: on arch you got unmodficied apps
[18:51] <jmichaelx> Ddpbf: that it does, especially if you are talking about a new KDE SC.... takes me 7 - 8 hours to emerge
[18:51] <Ddpbf> i would tought it is riskier
[18:51] <Guest78537> hi can anyone help me fix a massive problem please? I did the dist-upgrade today and now I have an error on boot "Warning: Cannot open ConsoleKit session: Unable to open session: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection Refused. I'm in big trouble, please help!??
[18:51] <Ddpbf> for adv users it is not hard to use
[18:51] <Ddpbf> arch or gentoo
[18:51] <hallman> Ddpbf: I like that.. It means that I sometimes have to dig through the config files, but that's all. It leaves my application installed and mostly working on my system!
[18:52] <BluesKaj> BlaXpirit, system settings is your friend
[18:52] <FloodBotK2> shane2peru: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:52] <FloodBotK1> shane2peru: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:52] <jmichaelx> FloodBotK needs to quit flooding
[18:52] <Ddpbf> lol floodbots are flooding channel
[18:52] <c2tarun> are there any applications in java language in ubuntu or kubuntu?
[18:52] <Ddpbf> :D
[18:52] <hallman> Eclipse
[18:52] <hallman> I think
[18:52] <BlaXpirit> BluesKaj, but I want the monitor not to burn out with brightness when someone else logs in. I need the settings to be the same across user accounts
[18:52] <Ddpbf> c2tarun: hell lot of them
[18:52] <ChinaMan> lol .. where are the comments by shane2peru?
[18:52] <hallman> And many many others I would guess
[18:53] <c2tarun> Ddpbf, how can I get a list of them?
[18:53] <Ddpbf> you ment written in java or java de?
[18:53] <c2tarun> Ddpbf, java de?
[18:53] <c2tarun> Ddpbf, what is java de?
[18:53] <BlaXpirit> development environment -_-
[18:54] <c2tarun> Ddpbf, I want apps written in java
[18:54] <BlaXpirit> chill, java isn't good. and owned by evil corporation.
[18:54] <Ddpbf> just type java in muon or synaptic
[18:54] <c2tarun> actually I have to give SCJP and I am fed up of reading silly books on java, so better fix some bugs and learn by looking at code
[18:54] <Ddpbf> or whatever you use
[18:54] <c2tarun> BlaXpirit, I agree java isn't good, but why evil corporation?
[18:55] <BlaXpirit> well, Oracle seemed evil, i dunno.
[18:55] <jmichaelx> oracle IS evil... to the core
[18:55] <ChinaMan> Thanks to Oracle, we have LibreOffice :)
[18:55] <jmichaelx> (sorry for thr OT)
[18:55] <jmichaelx> lol ChinaMan
[18:55] <Guest78537> if anyone can please help, i've just got a blank black screen and a mouse in kubuntu after doing the dist-upgrade this morning? please help
[18:55] <jmichaelx> ChinaMan: ok, you do have a point there
[18:56] <ChinaMan> Sometimes evil is a good thing
[18:56] <Ddpbf> it is irony  has one of better server distros
[18:56] <Ddpbf> :D
[18:56] <BlaXpirit> good. i thought i'd reinstall on laptop and upgrade on desktop. now i'm sure i won't upgrade.
[18:56] <jmichaelx> ChinaMan: but that was oracle doing something good, while trying its hardest to do something evil
[18:56] <c2tarun> BlaXpirit, good choice :)
[18:56] <jmichaelx> Ddpbf: a totally scammed server distro, however
[18:56] <ChinaMan> Imagine Sun f'ed up 10 years ago like Oracle, we would have an Office suite miles ahead :)
[18:57]  * c2tarun downloading 11.10
[18:57] <BlaXpirit> but those offices are both the same stupid app
[18:57] <Ddpbf> why?
[18:57] <Ddpbf> first it is same app
[18:57] <Ddpbf> second it is good for money you gave for it
[18:57] <jmichaelx> libreoffice and openoffice.org are not the same anymore
[18:58] <ChinaMan> BlaXpirit: More commits in ONE year to LibreOffice than TEN years in OpenOffice .. WTF!!
[18:58] <Ddpbf> or effort you put in it
[18:58] <c2tarun> Libre office is build on code provided by open office and we all know that MS has a monopoly, so we need an app which can format according to MS
[18:58] <BlaXpirit> well, it's always been somehow bloated, buggy etc. libreoffice project won't be able to fix it
[18:58] <ChinaMan> BlaXpirit: OpenOffice yes. LibreOffice is actually coming along nicely.
[18:58] <BlaXpirit> heh, KDE has some crazy office, i wish they finished something sometimes.
[18:59] <jmichaelx> i have used openoffice.org for years (and now libreoffice). it isn't perfect by any means, but has served me just fine, all in all
[18:59] <Ddpbf> caligra ex k-office
[18:59] <ChinaMan> jmichaelx: you have more patience than me :)
[18:59] <jamil_1> Hi all, my kubuntu is not booting because it cant find the compatible driver for nvidia card
[18:59] <Ddpbf> k office was pretty solid in kd3 days
[19:01] <Ddpbf> ond second tought all was good in kde 3
[19:01] <Ddpbf> :(
[19:02] <Ddpbf> *ewerything
[19:02] <Guest78537> please if anyone can get my system to work again, my dist-upgrade has left it with errors and a dbus problem. please help
[19:02] <BluesKaj> kde3 was fugly in some ways
[19:02] <BlaXpirit> Where does kde keep the power management settings? I want to copy them to other user account(s)...
[19:02] <ChinaMan> Ddpbf: Not everything .. The UI was butt-ugly.
[19:02] <ChinaMan> BluesKaj: amen, we speak the truth.
[19:02] <Ddpbf> ChinaMan: i dont know superkaramba was cool
[19:03] <BluesKaj> BlaXpirit, in power management profiles maybe
[19:03] <jmichaelx> superkaramba still exists, btw
[19:03] <Ddpbf> i know
[19:03] <jmichaelx> but, superkaramba was buggy
[19:03] <BlaXpirit> BluesKaj, but can I copy my precious fine-tuned profiles??????????????????????????????????
[19:04] <ChinaMan> Ddpbf: It was the small things that drove me nuts. The UI is what you stare at all the time.
[19:04] <Ddpbf> jmichaelx: so are plasmoids
[19:04]  * jmichaelx remembers fighting liquidweather breakages constantly
[19:04] <Ddpbf> ChinaMan: compared with gnome2 it was uber cool
[19:04] <Ddpbf> or with windows xp
[19:05] <Ddpbf> both of those had childelike interfaces
[19:05] <ChinaMan> Ddpbf: Actually Gnome and Windows XP are infinately more consistent in their UI than KDE3.
[19:05] <jmichaelx> i'll take plasma over superkaramba any day
[19:05] <Ddpbf> i wouldnot agree with it
[19:05] <ChinaMan> Ddpbf: I am talking about pixel for pixel.
[19:05] <BlaXpirit> ok, go install kde3 if it's better in every way.
[19:05] <Ddpbf> xp is like some 7 year old drove it
[19:05] <Ddpbf> BlaXpirit: it is not, i told it was more stable
[19:06] <Ddpbf> not more beautifull or better
[19:06] <Guest78537> hi can anyone please help me fix my computer?
[19:06] <ChinaMan> Ddpbf: Better is questionable. Beauty, seriously .. KDE3 was fugly :)
[19:07] <Ddpbf> ChinaMan:  compared with kde4 it is
[19:07]  * jmichaelx is shocked and offended by this dissing of the beloved KDE3
[19:07] <Ddpbf> compared to gnome 2 or xp it is was
[19:07] <BlaXpirit> really, help some people, not just talk about useless stuff
[19:07] <Ddpbf> BlaXpirit: like whom?
[19:08] <BlaXpirit> like Guest78537... and me
[19:08] <jmichaelx> like Guest78537
[19:08] <geir_> Hi, where's the best place to find videos showing features in new Kubuntu?
[19:08] <Ddpbf> what is your problem?
[19:08] <ChinaMan> I have been away from KDE since KDE4 landed, but tonight I am rocking kubuntu 11.10 and I must say, KDE is beautiful.
[19:08] <BlaXpirit> Y U NO SCROLL UP AND READ
[19:08] <Guest78537> well after doing the dist-upgrade my system won't boot into the desktop
[19:08] <flying_sheep> hi guys
[19:09] <Ddpbf> BlaXpirit:  dont yell it is impolite, and it will not get you any help
[19:09] <BlaXpirit> it's just a stupid meme
[19:09] <flying_sheep> i reinstalled the kde packages to get it working again after Peace's advice, but it didn't work and peace is away
[19:09] <Guest78537> Ddpbf: I'm getting an error on login which says that kubuntu can't open the consolekit session and something about dbus...
[19:10] <ChinaMan> jmichaelx: Different things matter to different people. The UI drove me bonkers. Maybe, to you, it didn't matter.
[19:10] <Guest78537> Ddpbf: i've tried doing a dpkg configure a thingy and it didnt' work
[19:10] <flying_sheep> Guest78537: i have a similar or the same problem
[19:10] <Ddpbf> and speaking of your grat problem just klick on battery icon, you would be impressed what you could find there
[19:10] <Guest78537> flying_sheep: it's horrible isn't it??!
[19:10] <Ddpbf> Guest78537:  could you paste output form konsole
[19:10] <BlaXpirit> Ddpbf, are you talking to me about battery icon?
[19:10] <jmichaelx> ChinaMan: no. to me it did matter, and to me, KDE3 was the most beautiful desktop of it's era
[19:11] <Ddpbf> yup you wanted power saving settings?
[19:11] <flying_sheep> Guest78537: yes. what crashed for you?
[19:11] <BlaXpirit> are you people blind, I want to copy the profiles, not make new ones
[19:11] <jmichaelx> s/it's/its
[19:12] <jmichaelx> BlaXpirit: how can we be blind... we are in an irc chatroom
[19:12] <BlaXpirit> maybe you use Jovie -_-
[19:12] <ChinaMan> jmichaelx: that is a first for me to hear. Good on you :)
[19:12] <Guest78537> Ddpbf: well when i do an alt ctrl f2 i get an error saying i need to do a system restart, but restarting doesn't help. my internet won't work so can't do an apt-get update install or anything. which output would you like first? errors all over the place!
[19:12] <Ddpbf> BlaXpirit:  ~/.kde/
[19:12] <BlaXpirit> i've been there, but still can't find.
[19:13] <Ddpbf> kde/share/config
[19:13] <Guest78537> Ddpbf: i get two errors and bug report submissions on login
[19:13] <BlaXpirit> been there, but still can't find
[19:13] <jmichaelx> ChinaMan: maybe you are not aware of how much some folks loved kde3.... but there were a lot, and still are some clinging to it
[19:13] <Guest78537> flying_sheep: not sure, ran the dist-upgrade and on reboot i get this consolekit error saying it's failed to open the session
[19:14] <Ddpbf> powerdevilprofilesrc
[19:14] <Ddpbf> KDE's power manager is powerdevil
[19:14] <Guest78537> Ddpbf: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused. that's the first error that comes up on boot up
[19:14] <flying_sheep> Guest78537: for me, kded crashes
[19:14] <BlaXpirit> Ddpbf, yay, now that's helpful! thanks!
[19:14] <flying_sheep> crashlog: http://paste.kde.org/133813/
[19:15] <ChinaMan> jmichaelx: I am fully aware, but I have never heard of people talking about KDE3 and beauty in the same breath.
[19:15] <flying_sheep> crashlog 2: http://paste.kde.org/133819/
[19:15] <flying_sheep> could someone help me?
[19:16] <jamil_1> Hi all, my pc is not booting because it cant find the compatible driver for nvidia card
[19:16] <BluesKaj> Guest78537, when booting hold the shift key down after the bios scrn to get to the grub menu , then choose the recovery kernel , then in the dialog choose root prompt with networking , sudo nano /etc/default/grub  , then at the line cotaining quiet splash add nomodeset atfter it , then ctrl+o , enter then ctrl+x and reboot
[19:16] <jmichaelx> ChinaMan, ChinaMan... it was admittedly weak on beauty before being tweaked, but it could be made to look very nice
[19:17] <jmichaelx> yikes, images on my webcam look horrid in oneiric
[19:18] <Guest78537> BluesKaj: ok i've booted recovery but there's no option for with networking. just root, remount, fsck and resume
[19:18] <BluesKaj> Guest78537, try root
[19:19] <Guest78537> BluesKaj: ok thanks will try
[19:19] <BluesKaj> then you won't need to sudo
[19:19] <ChinaMan> jmichaelx: I went so far as to attempt to create my own theme, that is how much I wanted KDE to look good, but when I realised that I needed to be a developer to be able to modify the low level stuff, I had to give that idea up. Honestly, I could never get KDE3 to look like anything good.
[19:20] <jmichaelx> also, qtcurve appears to not be in use for at least some gtk apps....
[19:20] <jmichaelx> even though it is set to be used
[19:20] <BluesKaj> ChinaMan, well it beats that cartoon desktop called gnome by a long shot :)
[19:20] <Guest78537> BluesKaj: i get "error writing: read only file system" when i try save the nano file...
[19:20]  * jmichaelx says amen to BluesKaj
[19:21] <Ddpbf> jmichaelx: use oxygen-gtk
[19:21] <Ddpbf> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/61/snapshot10dh5.png/ kde3
[19:21] <jmichaelx> Ddpbf: done, but also not working
[19:21] <Ddpbf> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/204/snapshot29fu0.jpg/
[19:22] <Ddpbf> gnome 2
[19:22] <Ddpbf> somebody wish to tell that gnome2 is nicer?
[19:22] <Ddpbf> :D
[19:22] <ChinaMan> BluesKaj: lol. I hope Linus tries KDE4.7, because .. daaaamn .. they got it right :)
[19:22] <flying_sheep> people, do you have any other useful chatroom where maybe someone can help me :(
[19:22] <jmichaelx> flying_sheep: what issue are you having?
[19:23] <Guest78537> BluesKaj: I think because it can't get to dbus or the permissions are broken I can't do anything...?
[19:23] <BluesKaj> Guest78537, well, that's beyond my scope if sudo doesn't give you write priveleges , unless you didn't enter a pw when asked for during the install
[19:23] <flying_sheep> jmichaelx: kded4 crashes after login. http://paste.kde.org/133819/ http://paste.kde.org/133813/
[19:24] <jmichaelx> by the way, whether i choose qtcurve or oxygen-gtk, at least some gtk apps are not using the selected themes
[19:24] <jmichaelx> and damn this stupid taskmanager icon bug...
[19:24] <Guest78537> BluesKaj: it was just an upgrade - it boots up ok but the dbus error comes up. do i need to chown something, like my home folder maybe?
[19:24] <MeanderingCode> How many people in here upgraded as opposed to installed clean?  Despite what anyone says about the process improving, I have never, ever had a good experience upgrading
[19:24] <BluesKaj> gues  I thinkj there's a bugfix for the dbus broken option on launchpad
[19:24] <ChinaMan> jmichaelx: do you know anything about installing Aurorae window decorations? They are broken for me.
[19:25] <BluesKaj> Guest78537, ^
[19:25] <MeanderingCode> got my 10.10 to 11.04 system hobbled together enough to start the 11.04 to 11.10 upgrade...but I'll probably end up having to wipe / and start again...anyone have an inspirational story for me?
[19:25] <MeanderingCode> or advice and tricks?
[19:26] <Guest78537> BluesKaj: ah got it!!
[19:26] <Guest78537> BluesKaj: i chose the option to remount all and then it gave me the root with network option. just done the nano thing and it worked. now what?
[19:26]  * merlin1991 is about to ragequit installing kubuntu
[19:27] <ChinaMan> MeanderingCode: I have never used the upgrade path, regardless of OS.
[19:27] <genii-around> MeanderingCode: This box I'm on now has just been constantly upgraded from 8.04 through to 11.10 now
[19:27] <jmichaelx> hmm, skype is broken
[19:27] <merlin1991> live cd boots now and after hours of dl stuff from the servers even though I didn't select update stuff the installer crashed
[19:27] <flying_sheep> jmichaelx: trying to launch kded4 from konsole yields an error about "muon-notifier" not being available
[19:27] <MeanderingCode> ChinaMan: regardless of distro, or OS?
[19:28] <MeanderingCode> genii-around: and how much time do you spend fixing things after an upgrade?
[19:28] <ChinaMan> MeanderingCode: OS. seriously. Same s***, different OS :)
[19:28] <genii-around> MeanderingCode: Depends on what needs fixing ;)
[19:28] <MeanderingCode> I found that true with Windows, when I used to use it.  I wonder if Mac has it figured out better
[19:28] <jmichaelx> flying_sheep: did you do a fresh installation or an upgrade?
[19:29] <MeanderingCode> genii-around: ha!
[19:29] <flying_sheep> jmichaelx: upgrade, of course -.-
[19:29] <ChinaMan> MeanderingCode: Start clean, then you know you are starting from the best starting point.
[19:29] <Guest78537> BluesKaj: just looking at this nomodeset option, but i don't think it's my graphics card. i get a black screen but it's cos kde4 crashes and i get an error. the mouse is there and when i press alt f2 i get all my applications and files and dolphin and package manager etc. just nothing is working right
[19:29] <flying_sheep> jmichaelx: i should have known better ;)
[19:30] <MeanderingCode> ChinaMan: right, like when default low-level stuff gets switched to diff software/management choices, but you're still running your legacy setup
[19:30] <MeanderingCode> :/
[19:30] <MeanderingCode> gotta love these machines :)
[19:30] <jmichaelx> flying_sheep: can you try to install kubuntu-destop?: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[19:30] <BluesKaj> yeah , Guest78537 you're probly right , I forgot about that dbus error .... I had it too about a month ago , sorry but I've forgotten what the fix was
[19:30] <MeanderingCode> ChinaMan: but then, what about home dir config files?
[19:31] <MeanderingCode> do you wipe those, too?
[19:31]  * jmichaelx also had that dbus error
[19:31] <flying_sheep> jmichaelx: it's installed and i reinstalled it once, too, after it broke
[19:32] <ChinaMan> MeanderingCode: I hear you. The only thing I keep is my files. I don't worry about the config files.
[19:32] <jmichaelx> can you try to restart your kde session, to see whether or not it made any difference?
[19:32] <Guest78537> BluesKaj: i think what ruined my upgrade was a cups driver. ql500cupswrapper which i can't delete. this is stopping apt-get install anything too
[19:32] <jmichaelx> flying_sheep: ^
[19:33] <flying_sheep> jmichaelx: restarted, rebooted, no difference
[19:33] <jmichaelx> flying_sheep: ok, have you tried creating a new user, and checking to see whether or not that new user experiences the same problems?
[19:34] <MeanderingCode> ChinaMan: then, as opposed to genii-around, how much time do you spend reconfiguring?  ssh-keys, firefox super-intricates, irc clients, shell setups, on, and on, and on
[19:35] <BluesKaj> Guest78537, yeah I think I dl'd the latest daily build at that point and reinstalled , it's a long and lazy fix if you have a separate /home partition
[19:35] <MeanderingCode> that's probably why i have such problems...too custom-configured for an upgrade to go smoothly :/
[19:35] <MeanderingCode> which is why i skipped 11.04 in the first place
[19:35] <MeanderingCode> never found the time
[19:35] <MeanderingCode> but now i started down the path, and i'm stuck in the middle :/
[19:36] <flying_sheep> jmichaelx: no, but i think i have something that can narrow it down: kded says on console (before crashing): 'DBus: module not found: "/modules/muon-notifier"'
[19:36] <apple_cat> Hi, I just started using 11.10 and it seems my package list has a problem. Almost all the packages have duplicates when viewed in aptitude, which is a huge problem when the wrong package gets installed because it essentially tries to replace every package with the exact same package
[19:36]  * MeanderingCode walks away from the machine to get a break from it
[19:36] <ChinaMan> MeanderingCode: I guess my needs are simple. I find it easy to reconfigure than fix. I have a more zen approach, simplistic.
[19:37] <apple_cat> Have reinstalled twice so far, the second time from the live cd desktop, and disabling the install 3rd party software options
[19:37] <jmichaelx> the problem i am experiencing with gtk themes seems to belimited to 'cheese'
[19:37] <merlin1991> why does this fsckd installer load 10 billion files from the ubuntu server :/
[19:37] <apple_cat> It seems to me that there are two duplicate repositories added, but I don't really know how possible that is, or if it is possible how I could fix it
[19:38] <Guest78537> BluesKaj: thanks for trying to help me out. i'll download it fresh and reinstall. shouldn't lose too much! thanks again
[19:38] <jmichaelx> flying_sheep: yes, which was what caused me to wonder about installing kubuntu-desktop... right now i am at a loss as to what to suggest. i still think it may be worthwhile to see how things go for a new user
[19:38] <flying_sheep> jmichaelx: no, it says: QDBusObjectPath: "/modules/muon-notifier" The kded module name ' "muon-notifier" ' is invalid!
[19:39] <flying_sheep> jmichaelx: i'll try it
[19:40] <jmichaelx> flying_sheep: also, i need to go to the office where i work. i'll probably be back in here in another 30 minutes or so... maybe someone else can be of more help in the mean time
[19:40] <billytwowilly> did you guys do something weird to the nobody user in 11.10? samba config from 11.04 isn't working anymore and it seems to be because it maps guest to user nobody
[19:42]  * eristikophiles wonders what triggered the nick highlight
[19:43] <ikonia> billytwowilly: nobody shouldn't be able to login
[19:43] <billytwowilly> yah, that's the behaviour change. It lets me view the shares, but not read inside the shares.
[19:43] <billytwowilly> Is there a new user I should map the guest account to?
[19:43] <ikonia> ??
[19:44] <ikonia> what do you mean, map the user ?
[19:44] <billytwowilly> in the smb.conf file you have to map guest to a user.
[19:44] <ikonia> yes
[19:44] <ikonia> I see, in samba
[19:45] <BarkingFish> guys, I need some help. I'm running an update here, and dpkg has decided to zombify in my process list. It's stopping kpackagekit from finishing up.
[19:45] <billytwowilly> well, by default samba maps guest access to the user nobody
[19:45] <BarkingFish> i've tried signals 11 and 15 to nail the zombified process, and it's not going away
[19:46] <ikonia> billytwowilly: that sort of makes sense
[19:47] <billytwowilly> ikonia: I think so to. somewhere between 11.04 and 11.10  (k)ubuntu changed behaviours so no nobody can't login, it might have been earlier. I don't think I've done a complete reinstall for 3-4 releases now.
[19:48] <ikonia> nobody has never been able to login
[19:48] <ikonia> it's a non-valid account, that's it's whole point
[19:51] <Snowhog> BarkingFish: What is the PPID for kpackagekit when viewed in top?
[19:51] <Snowhog> BarkingFish: I mean the PPID for dpkg
[19:54] <clarnist> hello guys
[19:55] <clarnist> i have to install kubuntu 11.10 and want to search packages in muon but it only show me search result with installed packages
[19:55] <clarnist> how can I make that search results appears at not installed?
[19:59] <ChinaMan> clarnist: Have you tried Settings -> Configure Software Sources -> Ticking universe and multiverse?
[19:59] <Snowhog> clarnist: The default status view should be all packages, but in your case, just click the By Status tab (left side, bottom) and click on Not Installed
[20:01] <gabbysmotes> hi, i've been exerpinecing an intense amount of power consumption on my battery laptop , has anyone else experienced this?
[20:01] <clarnist> when i click in status not installed it didn;t search
[20:09] <BarkingFish> sorry snowhog, was in VT1
[20:09] <BarkingFish> The PPID is 17902
[20:10] <BarkingFish> Showing its status as Zs
[20:11] <Snowhog> BarkingFish: In a console, type: sudo killall -9 17902   (as long as that is the PPID still showing for dpkg)
[20:12] <BarkingFish> right, I just need the bit from killall onwards, I enabled my root account, got fed up sudo'ing everything :)
[20:12] <BarkingFish> let's see how I get on
[20:12] <flying_sheep> re
[20:13] <flying_sheep> new user did the trick, now what config do i have to remove to get it working...
[20:13] <BarkingFish> right, Snowhog - that's done the job, but kpackagekit has just dropped out too with Signal 11
[20:14] <BarkingFish> can I rescue (in terminal) the packages it had downloaded and not processed?
[20:14] <Snowhog> BarkingFish: Kill it as well, same way
[20:14] <BarkingFish> no need, it went of its own free will
[20:14] <Snowhog> BarkingFish: Any packages that were downloaded are just that - downloaded. They are on your PC.
[20:15] <BarkingFish> i sent 9 to dpkg and kpackagekit went out with 11 and a kcrash
[20:15] <clarnist_> Snowhog i have to mean that when i type ex. kubuntu in search window it show my only installed apps
[20:15] <BarkingFish> do I need to process them, Snowhog? They hadn't installed fully.
[20:19] <flying_sheep> can somebody help me? i have these crashes on my std user, new user works: http://paste.kde.org/133813/ http://paste.kde.org/133819/
[20:21] <flying_sheep> can i just try to move all dotfiles to a folder? where are the wifi passwords stored (would like to keep those)
[20:22] <BarkingFish> snowhog, I'm gonna reboot.  I found out how to install all those unprocessed files, I have a kernel upgrade in there so I'll be back in a few moments.
[20:23] <drbobb> what kde tool can I use for scanning pictures?
[20:24] <ChinaMan> Anyone know of a widget that shows my upload and download speeds in kb/s?
[20:29] <BluesKaj> ChinaMan, for which app ?
[20:30] <jocko> any ideas on how to fix the old headphone jack vs speakers issue?
[20:30] <jocko> 11.04 on nvidia hdmi interface
[20:30] <ChinaMan> BluesKaj: I am looking for a widget, so that I can see the upload and download speeds of eth0, like the time widget that has the time and the date underneath it.
[20:31] <drbobb> hmm krita looks not too bad, but it doesn't seem to have anything to do with acquiring an image from a scanner
[20:32] <BluesKaj> ChinaMan, don't know of any offhand
[20:33] <drbobb> nothing in kde for working with an image scanner? seems so
[20:34] <genii-around> ChinaMan: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=140504
[20:34] <BluesKaj> !sane
[20:34] <BluesKaj> drbobb,^
[20:35] <drbobb> kooka is not found
[20:35] <genii-around> Yes, the factoid is quite old now
[20:35] <drbobb> there is something called skanlite
[20:35] <BluesKaj> xsane?
[20:36] <genii-around> !info simple-scan
[20:36] <drbobb> I am aware of xsane, I was wondering whether there's a tool that integrates with kde
[20:37] <ChinaMan> genii-around: That looks exactly like what I want, thank you. Will check it out!
[20:37] <yofel> drbobb: in gwenview you can go to plugins -> import -> import from scanner
[20:38] <rork> !info skanlite
[20:38] <drbobb> too bad skanlite can't find my scanner
[20:40] <genii-around> rork: Ah, nice
[20:40] <rork> I have no experience with it however, haven't fired up my scanner for a long time :/
[20:41] <BluesKaj> simple scan is supposed to work with allscanners ..what's a few gtk libs if it works for you, drbobb
[20:41] <drbobb> xsane pulls in all of gimp, etc.
[20:41] <yofel> hm, skanlite uses ksanepart, which is what gwenview uses too
[20:41] <Snowhog> ChinaMan: Widget Network Monitor
[20:42] <drbobb> gwenview doesn't seem to have any item involving scanning in its menus
[20:42] <yofel> interestingly sane doesn't find my scanner if I don't use the HP toolbox to add the printer
[20:42] <ChinaMan> Snowhog: Can that show numbers instead of the graphs?
[20:42] <yofel> drbobb: here it's under plugins -> import ->
[20:42] <drbobb> in my gwenview the plugins menu says no plugins found
[20:43] <yofel> o.O
[20:43] <drbobb> there is no import
[20:43] <drbobb> aaa that's an idea, I should probably install hplip before my scanner will be recognized
[20:44]  * yofel wonders what would be missing for the plugins to show up..
[20:44] <drbobb> hehe by the time I'm able to scan a picture I'll probably have installed a few hundred megs of ancillary packages
[20:45] <drbobb> kinda annoying isn't it
[20:46] <yofel> I have kde-full installed here, so there's probably some plugin package that's needed, but I'm really clueless which one
[20:46] <drbobb> oops, hplip is already installed
[20:46] <yofel> drbobb: the toolbox is in hplip-gui
[20:46] <edroid> how do you rename an desktop activity?  After an upgrade my original desktop is labeled "unnamed".  I am unable to modify this
[20:46] <drbobb> yofel: yeah, figures
[20:47] <yofel> edroid: click on the activity name in the screen corner -> activities. There click on the wrench of the activity you want to edit, and there you'll be able to rename it
[20:48] <ChinaMan> I have installed netspeed-plasma_0.2-1_i386.deb but how I do I run it? It doesn't show in the list on widgets.
[20:48] <afief> is there a way to have kpackagekit stop bugging me about the upgrade?
[20:49] <yofel> afief:  alt+f2, run 'kdesudo software-properties-kde' and at the update tab change "show new distribution releases" to never
[20:50] <drbobb> aaaaaa there it is, my scanner
[20:50] <afief> yofel: but I don't mind it showing, it's just that I'm getting a notification every few minutes
[20:50] <yofel> afief: hm, at least I don't know how to change that
[20:51] <afief> yofel: Thanks, guess I'll just change it back to normal once I upgrade
[20:51] <drbobb> skanlite is quite rudimentary, guess I'll stick to xsane
[20:54] <oceantype> hello since 11.10 my wifi is not working anymore
[20:58] <Daskreech> drbobb: skanlite is nice though :)
[20:59] <ChinaMan> How do I run a plasmoid after installing it?
[21:02] <genii-around> ChinaMan: With the Add Widgets from toolbar
[21:02] <ChinaMan> genii-around: It doesn't show there. Hence my question.
[21:04] <ChinaMan> genii-around: There was a 11.04 .deb, so I installed that. There was no 11.10 .deb.
[21:04] <genii-around> ChinaMan: Was it the download from http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=140504 ? If so, then go Add Widgets...Get New Widgets...Install Widget From Local File... then navigate to where you downloaded it
[21:05] <cablop> I installed gtk2-engines-oxygen and the gtk manager in kade but the gtk apps still look ugly
[21:05] <cablop> what is the procedure in oneiric to make them look decent?
[21:06] <genii-around> Oh, Natty package
[21:07] <genii-around> ChinaMan: Try navigating it to /usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_netspeed.so
[21:09] <ChinaMan> genii-around: Installing the package /usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_netspeed.so failed.
[21:11] <genii-around> ChinaMan: Yeah Oneiric doesn't seem to like it, I just also tried here
[21:12] <Snowhog> ChinaMan: Right-click on the Panel, choose Panel Options > Add Widgets, click on the Get New Widgets button and click on Install Widget from Local File and navigate to where the downloaded file is at.
[21:13] <Snowhog> genii-around: Dang. Just noticed that you already suggested that.
[21:13] <genii-around> Snowhog: That deb file installs the widget to /usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_netspeed.so , but manually directing it there to install it results in the "Installing the package failed"
[21:13] <ChinaMan> I also tried Yet Another Netspeed monitor, but that needs Ruby?
[21:17] <jamil_1> hi all, after the upgrade I cant get past the Kubuntu loading screen
[21:17] <jamil_1> anyone ?
[21:17] <drbobb> looks like the battery meter gadget is broken
[21:18] <drbobb> my laptop's been running on battery for about an hour, and it's still showing 99%
[21:19] <ChinaMan> drbobb: Maybe KDE is just that efficient :)
[21:25] <drbobb> ChinaMan: heh, the estimated time remaining has been shrinking though
[21:26] <edroid> yofel: Really? Thanks! :)
[21:29] <merlin1991> anyone have an idea why my installation dl packets with 15kb/s ?
[21:29] <RRejun> Hola
[21:30] <merlin1991> the 1st console also gets spammed with tonds of eth0: link up msgs
[21:30] <merlin1991> s/tonds/tons/
[21:35] <Sam42> I've configured kde to have the panel vertically on the left, however after logging out/rebooting the panel always appears vertically in the middle of the screen after login
[21:35] <Sam42> any ideas on why it might not be saving its position properly?
[21:36] <skierpage> Hey, updated to 11.10, it went pretty smoothly!
[21:39] <skierpage> After update, "Apper" (new KPackageKit?) says You have 86 updates !?!
[21:40] <skierpage> I think this is what http://www.kubuntu.org/news/11.10-release means when it says "11.10 will have KDE SC version 4.7.1; Due to it's very recent release, the latest version, 4.7.2, will be available in our updates PPA until it is available in the standard repositories."
[21:40] <oxymoron> Good work guys, now finally network works, splash image replaces ugly system messages in start and reboot etc, muono is much better than other things, feels more stable, better authorixation system, akonadi, etc
[21:40] <skierpage> , but that's a bad explanation (and "it's" is not an abbreviation of "it is" or "it has" ;-) ).
[21:41] <oxymoron> it though felt weird, on bootup, grub2 wasnt showed at all? :S Though it flahsed the background color from grub one sec before splash screen? Possible to not do that so I ONLY see splash screen?
[21:41] <skierpage> Where do I file bugs in www.kubuntu.org ?
[21:41] <maco> skierpage: do you mean "because the correct term is contraction, not abbreviation"?
[21:42] <maco> oh  you mean it's not being USED as "it is" or "it has" and is therefore wrong because the possessive "its" is appropriate there
[21:42] <skierpage> maco, sorry I meant there should be no apostrophe in "its very recent release". But the paragraph needs rewording and simplification for Kubuntu users who don't know about PPAs.
[21:43] <maco> i have an idea who is likely to have typed that
[21:43] <maco> given that every time he types a blog post, i end up having to send him a list of grammar corrections
[21:44] <drbobb> says 17 min. left, battery charge at 99%
[21:44] <oxymoron> one thing I miss, in kickoff menu, now beadcrumbs is added, BUTTTTTTTTT it remoed the back button, which makes breadcrumbs useless sometimes. i want multiple chocices,
[21:46] <skierpage> maco/anyone, I think a better explanation is "11.10 includes KDE SC (Software Compilation) version 4.7.1. But the latest version 4.7.2 is Due to it's very recent release, the latest version, 4.7.2 is available and after installation you will be probably be prompted that many updates are available including the updates to version 4.7.2."
[21:47] <sancochito> I have kde-desktop running under ubuntu 11.04, should I install oneiric ocelot?
[21:48] <skierpage> maco/anyone, I mean "11.10 includes KDE SC (Software Compilation) version 4.7.1. But after installation you will be probably be prompted that many updates are available including the updates to KDE version 4.7.2."
[21:48] <maco> Riddell: see skierpage's suggestion ^
[21:49] <skierpage> Also http://www.kubuntu.org/news/11.10-release should mention this new "Apper" thing that's replaced KPackageKit and/or the system tray. Is Apper part of Muon?
[21:51] <jamil_1> hi all, after the upgrade I cant get past the Kubuntu loading screen
[21:53] <skierpage> Congratulations BTW everyone, seems a pretty clean release and smooth update. Well done!
[21:54] <skierpage> jamil_1 , so you see or all of the some of the horizontal row of icons, but you never see a login screen?
[21:54] <jamil_1> skierpage: just moving dots
[21:55] <skierpage> jamil_1 , I think that's the boot process, not the KDE login or the KDE desktop animation. I'm no expert, but press [Esc] and see if there's some helpful message.
[21:55] <jamil_1> * * * * *
[21:56] <jamil_1> skierpage: everything is apparently [ ok ]
[21:56] <skierpage> jamil_1 Also if you're familiar with Linux command line, press Alt-Ctrl-F1 and you may be able to login at a command prompt and see what's going on.
[21:56] <jamil_1> skierpage: yes i am on the command line on another tty
[21:57] <jamil_1> skierpage: I had earlier problem with graphics card
[21:58] <jamil_1> skierpage: then I manually installed the nvidia-current package
[21:59] <skierpage> jamil_1 , well, I dunno, it worked for me!  You can root around in /var/logs and see if there's some helpful error, and if there's no disk activity I guess restart. If you have other TTYs then you're at some runlevel and there's a way to kick Ubuntu into attempting the next one.  Sorry, I gotta go.
[21:59]  * skierpage real life
[21:59] <jamil_1> skierpage: no problem
[22:07] <ZooMonkey> ...hmmm and nothing in the FAQ. OK I have a question about ELO USB-based touchscreen. :) It seems working via "evdev" in Kubuntu 11.10, however, the "range"/config is wrong, and, I cannot get it to solidify. When I add a rule to /usr/share/X11/xorg.confg.d/99-myTouchRule.conf , when I logout and reboot X seems to crash and I get no feedback on my screen. Can anyone help me?
[22:11] <ZooMonkey> I did notice the "inputs setup" program under Settings in the KDE menu, but, I saw no immediate way to remedy the issue, and have seen no help mentioning using that spot, yet.
[22:14] <jamil_1> I was looking at /var/log/syslog and it has lots of statements like this: init: cups main process terminated with status 127
[22:14] <jamil_1> any explanation ?
[22:14] <ZooMonkey> Oh and I tried addding it to 10-evdev.conf in that same directory, under Identifyer "evdev touchscreen catchall" with Option "Calibration" "# # # #" , but, that seems to do nothing either. It doesn't seem to use those setting when I log back in, I mean.
[22:15] <ZooMonkey> jamil >> There was an update to CUPS on Kubuntu 11.10 today. Did it fix it or cause it?
[22:16] <jamil_1> ZooMonkey: I don't know, I upgraded today
[22:17] <ZooMonkey> jamil_1: OK try to goto the Package Updater near the clock and see if bunch of CUPS updates in there.
[22:18] <jamil_1> ZooMonkey: wish I could :) Kubuntu is not booting....stuck at the blue Kubuntu screen
[22:18] <phiscibe> i got 4 machines with 11.04...and 11.10 just is looming there.... andybody done an upgradey et?
[22:18] <phiscibe> yet?
[22:19] <OerHeks> many people upgraded sucessfully phiscibe
[22:19] <phiscibe> im gonna im just unlucky in these things, cause i tinker so much
[22:20] <phiscibe> im tyring to read what to avoid now
[22:20] <OerHeks> it can take a long time, depending your dsl speed & system performance, but it went fine overhere
[22:21]  * merlin1991 is going insane watching dl of 20kb/s for every single update
[22:21] <skierpage> jamil_1 , cups is the printing system, its failures shouldn't stop your machine from working.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1052421 suggests `sudo update-rc.d -f cups remove` might disable its startup.
[22:22] <skierpage> merlin1991, hah, I was getting 280 kb/s , now it's dropped to 90-110.
[22:22] <phiscibe> i have  4 printers ugg
[22:22] <merlin1991> skierpage: I think it's the driver for the realtek onboard chip in the kernel
[22:22] <jamil_1> skierpage: lets see
[22:22] <merlin1991> I had really bad problems on windows too untill I updated to a version from like 2 weeks ago
[22:23] <merlin1991> the torrent for the kubuntu disk came with 2mb/s
[22:23] <skierpage> phiscibe, CUPS is giving me no problems so far. I once ran its web-based configurer and I think that's why the upgrade warned me about changes to cupsd.conf.
[22:24] <phiscibe> heck im still trying to get bugs out of 11.04 and printer....quirks more than bugs
[22:24] <skierpage> Folks, I updated https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Feedback as requested by http://www.kubuntu.org/news/11.10-release .  Cheers!
[22:32] <phiscibe> i bet the update servers are swamped atm
[22:35] <Belial> Any known issues with booting on a Kubuntu 11.04->11.10 upgrade. I seen one with VMware workstation where it hosed the rc.6 scripts, I did have that installed (now removed), still cant get to a functional system without hitting up recovery mode. Unsure where to pull logs for a hint, as im granted a black screen after grubs done. no HDD activity, no flashing capslock to show a panic
[22:35] <Belial> anyone got any pointers?
[22:37] <phiscibe> i just read something about vmware and the upgrade
[22:38] <jamil_1> if I do startx in the console, Nvidia logo screens appears and then I get a black screen with a cursor
[22:38] <merlin1991> 3000 B/s YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME
[22:38] <phiscibe> shutdown issuses
[22:39] <Belial> phiscibe: I'd be happy to ahve shutdown issues ;)
[22:39] <phiscibe> yeah heh
[22:41] <mki___________> how do I migrate mails from kmail to thunderbird?
[22:41] <phiscibe> hey Belial, were you using Xorg PPA's prior?
[22:42] <Belial> phiscibe: I was... It had a workaround for an intel gfx bug i was hitting with cxoffice
[22:42] <phiscibe> maybe this has a clue for you:  https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[22:43] <Belial> thanks phiscibe, appriciate it. My google foo must be off today!
[22:43] <ZooMonkey> I need help with a Touchscreen. :( Mainly, getting it to "save" the calibration (KDE doesnt seem to care of my Xorg rules :)
[22:43] <phiscibe> i didnt google it  i was already looking at gottchas and it was staring at me, dont know it it is germain.
[22:44] <paianas> hello does someone know bout smplayer bug that occured with latest upgrade?
[22:44] <phiscibe> zoo are you using xorg ppas also?  hehe they talk about multitouch not being built in
[22:45] <paianas> The subcc option must be an integer: -vid
[22:45] <paianas> this is what i get and smplayer doesn't open, while mplayer and rest players work fine
[22:45] <paianas> any sugg?
[22:46] <phiscibe> im reading that before the install you shoudl "sudo ppa-purge whatever-packages"
[22:49] <phiscibe> http://theyouri.blogspot.com/2010/11/temporary-smplayermplayer-subcc-fix.html
[22:50] <ZooMonkey> phiscribe: Nope its an ELO touchscreen. Like you'd use for a POS. It's edges are farther from the edges than in Ubuntu 11.04. But that rls didnt shutdown clean, and db freeked, and that wont work. So I'm trying new Kubuntu, but, I cant get the Touchscreen to function near any edges using evdev.
[22:57] <ZooMonkey> and to top it, it is like Kubuntu doesnt see my changes to the evdev config, even.
[22:59] <merlin1991> FUCK
[23:00] <merlin1991> installation is through, reboot
[23:00] <merlin1991> grub rescue, no such device dcedd2a....
[23:02] <merlin1991> anyone who knows grub rescue around?
[23:03] <phiscibe> dunno zoomonkey
[23:03] <phiscibe> get a super grub 2 disk and boot with it
[23:04] <merlin1991> okay other idea, can you paste me the grub.cfg line to boot kubuntu, I think I can get it up then
[23:06] <ZooMonkey> I Got it I Got it!
[23:06] <ZooMonkey> I rebooted this time. And I put it in same area
[23:07] <ZooMonkey> It seems the logout wasnt enough but it Should have been! Would have been in many other distros.
[23:07] <ZooMonkey> But at least its going now :) Sweet u guys.
[23:08] <phiscibe> there, wasnt that painful...hope i get off as easy
[23:12] <ZooMonkey> Me too! I wish you luck as I just had! It's working better than it was, now.
[23:15] <westy> cant send or recieve kmail after upgrade
[23:16] <westy> unkown error unable to append
[23:20] <MeanderingCode> so i'm having compositing issues after 10.10->11.04 that i didn't have before and compiz segfaults on launch
[23:20] <MeanderingCode> currently using distribution upgrade gui tool to download all 11.10 packages, then proceeding there
[23:21] <MeanderingCode> so i'm locked out of package stuff, can't mess about
[23:21] <MeanderingCode> but: does intel use open driver, or restricted? and what could be the problem (glxinfo and glxgears both give happy output)
[23:24] <Ddpbf> MeanderingCode: there is no propitary drivers for intel devices
[23:24] <avihay> intels uses intel's driver, it's open-sourced
[23:24] <Ddpbf> but you are sure you have intel gpu?
[23:25] <Ddpbf> sudo lshw -c video
[23:25] <jasyn> hi guys. Any chance of some tech help here
[23:26] <Ddpbf> jus shoot somebdy will answer
[23:26] <jasyn> yesterday i did dist-upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10 it failed. I then went to kubuntu and downloaded, made live cd and wiped hard drive - fresh install
[23:27] <MeanderingCode> I thought it was open...and yes, Intel integrated on a thinkpad
[23:27] <jasyn> so today i'm on 11.10 on my eeepc 1000he
[23:27] <Ddpbf> jasyn: and...?
[23:27] <jasyn> but i keep getting a kernel crash black screen, and my moue is messed up i can't double tap on scroll bars and scroll either
[23:28] <jasyn> or move windows etc
[23:28] <jasyn> i think maybe thats part of the kernel crash. was it a bad install?
[23:29] <jasyn> does it reformat hard drive when installing? Or do i need to like use gpart first to wipe my hd clean ? i thought hiting "use entire drive" on install would be format/install but i'm not sure
[23:29] <Ddpbf> jasyn i would think it is problem with gpu
[23:29] <jasyn> no tkernel crash.. the black screen said kernel panic
[23:29] <Ddpbf> not kernel crash
[23:29] <jasyn> ok how can i fix it?
[23:30] <Ddpbf> kernel panic?
[23:30] <jasyn> yeah! thas it :p
[23:30] <Ddpbf> lol
[23:30] <Ddpbf> it is like bsod in win
[23:30] <Ddpbf> :D
[23:31] <jasyn> yeah. must b where i got crash from. i switche dform windws to linux in feb so still new but ove it
[23:32] <jasyn> so gpu might be making my mouse issues and the panic? How do i fix this? :)
[23:35] <ZooMonkey> Does anyone know how much of the repository is full already for apps??? Do they take a bit of time to show up sometimes (its a large app)???
[23:36] <ZooMonkey> I tried adding partner repositories and the app I want is not showing up. But it was in 11.04 Mint and also Ubuntu.
[23:37] <phiscibe> westy https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail2
[23:38] <ZooMonkey> I think I'll try adding the Natty partner repo manually.
[23:39] <MeanderingCode> boy, i'll never skip and upgrade again :/ 24 hrs in, 65% through downloading second release's pkgs
[23:39] <phiscibe> you picked a bad time to upgrade as everyone is hitting the servers now that 11.10 is out
[23:40] <MeanderingCode> i know...i've been on 10.10 for a year now, shoulda waited another couple weeks
[23:41] <phiscibe> jaysn i can't remeber, but it could be that when you upgraded it get you home directories and therefore your configuratin, which might not work in the new upgrade
[23:41] <phiscibe> it kept them i meant
[23:41] <MeanderingCode> 'course now i'm locked in
[23:43] <phiscibe> im fartin around in this room and readin all the bug reports and spilled milk, i have 4 machines to upgrade, i dont want the hair pulling....
[23:43] <jasyn> ok how to wipe the old home and install fresh?
[23:44] <ZooMonkey> jasyn: just bakcup all your files and your fav configs (conky, etc) ; and then use dban; and then use the Live CD for the Linux you want to install.
[23:45] <jasyn> ok zoomonkey thanks. what is dban?
[23:45] <ZooMonkey> jasyn: Or you can skip using dban and use the newer Linux disks. They format fine.
[23:45] <jasyn> theres no format option on the new kubuntu live cd?
[23:45] <ZooMonkey> jasyn: its a hard drive data killer. it'll erase all the data on the drive in an intricate way.
[23:46] <jasyn> ok
[23:46] <ZooMonkey> jasyn: there likely is. If you run into a distro tho that wont format, then, that's how to get around it.
[23:46] <jasyn> ok thank you i will try it
[23:46] <jasyn> thanks for help
[23:46] <ZooMonkey> np
[23:59] <phiscibe> run the partion manager and format the driver yoursef from teh live cd thenn install