[00:29] <semitones> so are there official lubuntu torrents now?
[00:33] <Unit193> semitones: Sure are
[00:33] <Unit193> Check the download link in the topic
[00:34] <semitones> aawsome
[00:46] <silverlightning> it is really nice
[00:46] <silverlightning> the new 11.10 I mean
[00:49] <dw-> i got a Ubuntu 11.10 upgrade message on Lubuntu oh noes
[00:50] <dw-> Do not upgrade
[00:50] <dw-> ;)
[00:50] <dw-> does this mean Lubuntu wont send me updates
[00:51] <dw-> my little aspireone wouldnt do well with Ubuntu, sadly :)
[00:51] <Unit193> It's fine, don't worry about it
[00:51] <dw-> cool beans
[00:52] <Unit193> ...I suppose you could take that wrong. The update should give you Lubuntu 11.10
[01:10] <KM0201> Unit193: i don't know if you guys can do anything about that, but there's been confusion over that a couple of times in the channel today
[01:11] <KM0201> i don't know if xubuntu and kubuntu do the same thing.. they may well.
[01:15] <Unit193> I think X does
[01:24] <wxl> how to get verbose boot?
[01:51] <KM0201> umm.
[01:51] <wxl> just splash? not quiet splash?
[01:51] <wxl> debug nosplash?
[01:51] <KM0201> i was thinking you could edit /etc/default/grub
[01:52] <wxl> chicken chicken?
[01:52] <Unit193> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions
[01:52] <wxl> yeah right it's the settings
[01:52] <wxl> thx Unit193
[01:53] <KM0201> i think i figured it out, lemme test it in vbox
[01:53] <Unit193> This too if you didn't see it http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt
[01:55] <wxl> seems like debug
[01:55] <wxl> not sure about the splash/nosplash
[01:56] <KM0201> i think i got it, hang on
[01:56]  * wxl taps fingers
[01:56] <KM0201> it's still booting, lol  sorry
[01:57] <wxl> :)
[01:57] <KM0201> maybe i screwed something up, who knwos...lol
[01:57] <KM0201> weird, now the machine won't boot.
[01:58] <wxl> well we know what it's not
[01:58] <wxl> what did you use?
[01:58] <KM0201> "quiet splash"... thats whats on my desktop, and it works fine.
[01:58] <wxl> well that's not verbose and what i had
[01:59] <KM0201> right
[01:59] <KM0201> hold lemme fix this real quick
[02:00] <KM0201> well this sucks.
[02:00] <wxl> sorry :(
[02:00] <KM0201> oh its ok.
[02:00] <wxl> have a snapshot?
[02:01] <KM0201> no, i booted recovery, and went to edit grub, and it says its a read only file system.
[02:01] <KM0201> lol
[02:01] <wxl> uhhh
[02:02] <KM0201> never had that happen before
[02:03] <KM0201> i guess i can chroot it from a live cd
[02:04] <wxl> heh fun
[02:05] <KM0201> well, that's what i'm gonna have to do, looks like
[02:09] <KM0201> man, this is taking a while (had to update my source list..lol)
[02:12] <wxl> ew
[02:12] <KM0201> yeah, no kidding
[02:12] <KM0201> consider ubuntu's servers are slow as molasses right now.
[02:12] <KM0201> lol
[02:12] <KM0201> i'll get it fixed before midnight..lol
[02:13] <wxl> i promise never to ask questions :D
[02:13] <KM0201> naa, its ok.
[02:13] <wxl> i know
[02:13] <KM0201> lol jackass
[02:13] <wxl> i'm trying out ibm java
[02:13] <KM0201> strange you can't edit grub from rescue mode
[02:13] <KM0201> that seems almost silly
[02:13] <wxl> indeed
[02:17] <KM0201> let me call Mark and talk to him about that
[02:17] <wxl> hehehe
[02:17] <wxl> bbl
[02:17] <KM0201> oh come on, i'm about to figure it out.
[02:17] <KM0201> lol
[02:17] <KM0201> thats ok, i'll tell you when you get back
[02:17] <wxl> hehe
[02:40] <hector> Hello, anyone can help me to update lubuntu 11.04 to 11.10?
[02:43] <Octatron> System - Administration - Update Manager, should show up as a button near the top
[02:45] <Octatron> If it doesn't goto the settings button on update manager, flick over to the updates tab and click the bottom drop down box and select "normal releases" close and ok all that stuff and repeat the above process
[02:47] <hector> i did that but it say's that it's going to update to ubuntu 11.10 it seems a little rare to me, this is the reason why im asking
[02:47] <hector> thanks a lot for your answer, i will do it :D
[02:48] <Octatron> Rare? isn't that what you were looking to do? It is a longer process then just receiving normal updates so have the internet on and about 2 hours free
[02:49] <Octatron> no worries ;)
[02:49] <hector> yeah, because it says ubuntu no lubuntu, but may be its because lubuntu is based on ubuntu
[02:49] <hector> thanks again :D
[02:52] <Octatron> Ahh yes, I think it should work.. Even if it is Ubuntu you can always install lubuntu-desktop afterwards
[03:18] <Rezwanur> is it possible to update 11.04 to 11.10  through update manager?
[03:27] <Rezwanur> Octatron, should I "tick" Pre-realeased update?
[03:27] <Rezwanur> there are four options on update menue
[03:31] <Octatron> Rezwanur: ignore those, go right to the bottom where it has "release upgrade" drop down the box and select "Normal Release" then close and ok out of all of that. when you go back to update manager it should show up
[03:34] <Rezwanur> Octatron, I got it. thank you so much :)
[06:04] <Wesss> hi all, does anybody know what happened to lubuntu.net ?? since 11.10 release i just forwarded to ubuntu domain. What happened to all those helpful videos and screencasts?
[06:08] <wxl> i think that's officialness :D
[06:09] <Wesss> pitty. their were such a good videos for a newbee like me
[06:09] <Unit193> No, that's called DDoS :P
[06:10] <wxl> oh, must be the CIA again :/
[06:10] <Unit193> Release day = DDoS on anything Ubuntu
[06:10] <wxl> it's not that it fails, it redirects
[06:11] <Unit193> A redirect was put on it, yes
[06:11] <wxl> http://lubuntu.net/X goes to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LubuntuX
[06:12] <wxl> so http://lubuntu.net/news which used to have the videos Wesss is referring to now goes to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntunews
[06:12] <Wesss> yes and all of those screencasts are gone
[06:13] <Wesss> wxl : in the new page i get a message that the page does not exist yet
[06:13] <wxl> rright it doesn't
[06:13] <wxl> and won't
[06:16] <wxl> Wesss: here's the creator's youtube channel http://www.youtube.com/user/llelectronics
[06:17] <Wesss> thanks- looks like all the videos are there
[06:17] <Wesss> and even more
[06:17] <wxl> hard to dig through but yes
[06:18] <Wesss> hope these screencast comes back to lubuntu. it was a great help for newbees. actuallt it was the main reason i chose lubuntu was these easy to access and understand support
[06:21] <Wesss> thanks for the link wxl
[06:24] <Rezwanur> that's useful. thanks wxl
[06:30] <wxl> np
[06:31] <wxl> Wesss: you should post a suggestion to the mailingg list
[06:38] <Wesss> unfortunatly i do not member of the mailing list- where can i apply?
[06:39] <Wesss> should be on ubuntu site (lubuntu section) ?
[06:39] <wxl> look at the bottom here https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop
[06:39] <wxl> become a team member and you'll have the option of joining
[06:40] <Wesss> found it. tnx
[06:50] <wxl> no lubuntu forum yet huh?
[06:51] <Unit193> It has a tag/section of the main
[06:51] <wxl> makes sense, i guess xubuntu don't have one
[06:58] <fitus> hello everyone
[06:58] <wxl> hey
[06:59] <fitus> hey I just upgradeded and i lost the sound
[06:59] <fitus> this is the error i get
[06:59] <fitus> Your audio capture settings are invalid. Please correct them with the "Sound Preferences" under the System Preferences menu.
[06:59] <wxl> hm that's new and fun
[07:00] <fitus> I don't seem to find that option under system preferences
[07:00] <wxl> give me the results of aplay -l
[07:00] <fitus> List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[07:00] <fitus> card 0: SI7012 [SiS SI7012], device 0: Intel ICH [SiS SI7012]
[07:00] <fitus>   Subdevices: 1/1
[07:00] <fitus>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[07:00] <fitus> jesus@lubuntu:~$
[07:00] <wxl> ok that's good
[07:01] <fitus> is it?
[07:01] <wxl> well it's not bad :D
[07:01] <fitus> never had any problem until now
[07:02] <wxl> 1s
[07:02] <fitus> the upgrade went smooth, no errors until i restarted and didn't saw the volume icon on the deskbar
[07:02] <fitus> am all ears :)
[07:03] <wxl> well yeah that's the problem
[07:03] <wxl> streaming this fab station over here would love to have you hear it while you wait but uhh yeah
[07:04] <fitus> hahaha I bet he would
[07:06] <wxl> you are trying to play, yes?
[07:06] <fitus> yes
[07:07] <fitus> well i have no sound at all
[07:11] <fitus> is anyone here that could help me to get my sound back?
[07:11] <wxl> do pulseaudio --check
[07:12] <fitus> get this
[07:12] <fitus> E: [pulseaudio] core-util.c: Home directory /home/jesus not ours.
[07:12] <wxl> oh ho
[07:13] <wxl> your ~ encypted?
[07:13] <fitus> not that i know
[07:13] <wxl> hm
[07:13] <wxl> try ls -al on ~
[07:13] <fitus> today it asked me if i wanted to upgrade to the new version, i said yes
[07:13] <wxl> well without the on
[07:13] <wxl> i'm speaking commandlineglish
[07:14] <fitus> ok
[07:14] <fitus> everything is own by me
[07:15] <wxl> k...
[07:19] <wxl> what are perms/ownership on ~/.dmrc?
[07:20] <fitus> let me see
[07:22] <fitus> I don't have that
[07:22] <fitus> don't have dmrc
[07:22] <wxl> you didn't forget the . did you?
[07:23] <fitus> nope
[07:23] <wxl> gr
[07:30] <wxl> fitus: i think i'm at a loss. not to pull a microsoft response on you but i would suggest a reboot and see what happens
[07:53] <cjs> On a standard Ubuntu 11.10 install, I added the lubuntu-desktop package, set the default display manager to lxdm, and rebooted. Now I get a nice blue background with wavy lines, but no login window. Thoughts?
[08:16] <cjs> Wow, lubuntu isn't exactly parsimonious with disk space.
[08:21] <cjs> How much space does a standard install use? Am I just bloated up to 5GB due to having installed the lubuntu-desktop package on top of a regular Ubuntu install?
[08:25] <head_victim> cjs: you are not going to get as much of the resource benefit of using Lubuntu if you've already installed ubuntu first, especially with regards to hard drive space.
[08:25] <cjs> Ok, no big deal anyway.
[08:27] <cjs> So my big question: I want to get rid of the file manager and replace the window manager with fvwm. With GNOME, I add another file in /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions with my preferred config. With lxsession-edit, I notice the advanced options includes a "Window Manager" setting. I guess I could just change that, but is there a way to have different startups with different configurations, like GNOME?
[08:36] <cjs> Well, just changing the wm to fvwm works....
[08:43] <wxl> cjs make a copy of /etc/xdg/Lubuntu (obviously underr a different name) in /etc/xdg and edit as you wish
[08:43] <wxl> your entries will show up at the login scrreen
[08:44] <wxl> along with some other bizarre things that don't actually appear to be there from what i can tell (e.g. kde/openbox-- eww!)
[08:58] <cjs> So, /etc/xdg is, in general, for what?
[08:58] <wxl> different window managers
[08:58] <cjs> BTW, I'm using gde at the moment; lxde doesn't come up with a window.
[08:58] <wxl> default is a "lubuntu," a "lubuntu-netbook" and an "lxde"
[08:59] <cjs> Ok, xo /etc/xdg is used only for the lxde session manager?
[08:59] <cjs> s/xo/so/
[08:59] <wxl> well xdg is free desktop so no
[08:59] <cjs> And it's clearly not just window managers, since I see lxsession and pcmanfm subdirs there, too.
[09:00] <wxl> uhhh poo
[09:00] <wxl> in lx-session is where i was referring to
[09:00] <wxl> sorry
[09:00] <wxl> if you use a different session manager it should asumedly have another directory in there
[09:01] <cjs> I want to use lxsession, But I want to use fvwm as my window manager, and not have a file manager.
[09:01] <wxl> i thought you said you wanted more than one wm?
[09:01] <cjs> Up to now I've been doing this under the gnome session manager.
[09:01] <wxl> ew
[09:01] <leshaste> is it possible to upgrade from ubuntu lts to lubuntu?
[09:02] <cjs> wxl: You mean, "Ewww, gnome?" If so, yeah. Thus my presence here. :-)
[09:02] <wxl> right right cjs :D
[09:02] <cjs> (It bends me over and does terrible things to me with every new Ubuntu release.)
[09:03] <cjs> But anyway, I did things somewhat differently when using gnome, and perhaps this is the source of my confusion.
[09:03] <wxl> unity is shit
[09:03] <wxl> there i said it
[09:04] <M0hi> cjs: It always will be great to change often and learn =]. It will become easy for people who likes to learn and use, rather than for people who like to use and learn
[09:04] <cjs> There i would add a /usr/share/xsessions/fvwm-gnome-session.desktop file with "gnome-session --session=fvwm-gnome", which would add an "Fvwm GNOME" entry to the gdm session selection dropdown.
[09:04] <cjs> M0hi: I have learned far more than I ever wanted to know about this. :-)
[09:05] <M0hi> (:
[09:05] <cjs> Now, I notice that I also have, since I installed the lubuntu-desktop package, new entries there for Lubuntu, Lubuntu-Netbook, LCDE, etc. So I assume that part kinda stays the same, right?
[09:06] <wxl> you could mess with those
[09:06] <cjs> (Presumably the [non-working for me] lxdm display manager would also use these data.)
[09:06] <wxl> or add to them
[09:06] <wxl> so yr prob is lxdm don't work?
[09:07] <cjs> wxl: That's one problem, though not my primary one at the moment.
[09:08] <cjs> Ah, so the /usr/bin/startlubuntu* files are shell scripts with things like "exec /usr/bin/lxsession -s Lubuntu -e LXDE" and "exec /usr/bin/lxsession -s Lubuntu-Netbook -e LXDE" in them.
[09:09] <cjs> I am guessing that those correspond to the /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lbuntu etc. directories.
[09:09] <cjs> It seems odd that they would use different but nearly identical startup scripts for Lubuntu and Lubuntu-Netbook, rather than just pass a parameter to one common script.
[09:10] <cjs> That would also save me from making yet another copy that will not change with Ubuntu upgrades.
[09:10] <cjs> Hm. Unless I get clever with sed.
[09:10] <wxl> i hear ya
[09:10]  * M0hi is marking those ideas
[09:10] <wxl> however i'm about ready to pass out
[09:11] <wxl> nighty night
[09:11] <cjs> So, wxl, you were saying I should make a copy of /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu under a different name? How were you proposing I use the copy?
[09:11] <wxl> ok last thing
[09:11] <M0hi> night wxl
[09:11] <wxl> cjs: yes, edit it to point at your window manager of choice
[09:11] <cjs> wxl: 'night. Thanks for your help!
[09:11] <wxl> love you bye :D
[09:11] <cjs> yes, but how do I then use it instead of the standard one?
[09:12] <cjs> I presume with another shell script, the way I described, but would love to hear of a better way.
[09:12] <cjs> M0hi: Are you a dev on this, BTW?
[09:12] <cjs> Ah, this will work....
[09:12] <M0hi> cjs: I prefer keeping a copy in the same location with a suffix added (like _prev) to all the files, so that it always will be easy to bring back ;)
[09:13] <M0hi> cjs: I just finished the learning. Gonna contribute for the Next release (hopefully if my office gives time :| )
[09:13] <cjs> M0hi: Well, with my gnome setup I never modified any of the original files. I just added a new one. So the "Fvwm GNOME" selection was an addition to the various other GNOME sessions, rather than a replacement.
[09:14] <cjs> I wonder what happens if I use lxpanel under Gnome?
[09:14] <M0hi> Lemme go throught he logs to understand about the issue you have
[09:16] <M0hi> We do not have a structure of different startups. Also, if Ubuntu is installed in first place, the benifits will not be much as Jered was mentioning
[09:17] <M0hi> err!! typo in name
[09:18] <cjs> Oh! It works!
[09:19] <cjs> The only real issue is that I don't get the button for logout/suspend/hibernate, etc. Which is a big problem since due to a bug I can't do that from the command line.
[09:20] <M0hi> We have a note about that issue. I'm not sure who is working on it now
[09:21] <M0hi> Have you ever tried writng an X session script?
[09:21] <cjs> Really? For using lxpanel under Gnome?
[09:21] <cjs> Yes, I used to use those all the time, back in the '90s before I eventually switched to using a session manager.
[09:22] <cjs> (That I still use fvwm should be a clue as to how old I am. :-))
[09:22] <cjs> (And that's my fourth WM, too.)
[09:22] <M0hi> ah!
[09:22] <cjs> Hm. Is there any way to get the clock to deal with a vertical panel that's not wide enough for horizontal text? Perhaps by turning it sideways?
[09:24] <cjs> This stuff is pretty nice, BTW. You seem to have all the stuff that Gnome occasionally puts in and then takes out again with the next release.
[09:25] <cjs> I guess I can put in two digital clocks, one above the other, and have one displaying hours and one minutes. :-)
[09:30] <cjs> Hm. Maybe it's just a bit too wonky. And I am fed up with Gnome anyway....
[09:32] <cjs> Ya, argh., the "no command line suspend" (broken pmi command) is still in Ubuntu 11.10. You'd think with a whole release cycle they could fix that.
[09:32] <M0hi> he he. Sorry was helping in another channel
[09:32] <M0hi> Where he was timed out :/
[09:35] <cjs> So, any thoughts on why lxdm might be failing to come up with a login window?
[09:36] <cjs> I'd really like to try it.
[09:39] <M0hi> cjs: startup Scripts might be the issue. they might be starting the other dependancies
[09:40]  * M0hi is not in his machine. So, can't test anything and tell :[
[09:40] <cjs> Do you have any specific ideas on how to debug this?
[09:45] <M0hi> look at the startup scripts running and compare with the dependancy of lxde. Hope something will be missing there
[09:55] <cjs> How do I look at the startup scripts running?
[09:55] <cjs> (I'm not quite getting what you mean, here.)
[09:59] <cjs> I gotta run. I might be back in a few hours.
[09:59] <M0hi> ah! check /var/log/syslog
[09:59] <M0hi> sorry for the delay in response
[10:21] <grifo74> hello i update my lubuntu to 11.10 and system crash, anyone have the same problem?
[10:21] <grifo74> i think now i need to istall all system again
[10:22] <M0hi> grifo74: you upgraded from 11.04 ?
[10:22] <grifo74> yes
[10:23] <grifo74> after two hous in update the system crash and off
[10:25] <M0hi> After w hours of completion of the upgrade, did your machine crash while running normally?
[10:25] <M0hi> s/w hours/2 hours*
[10:26] <grifo74> yes i update then restart the system and stay in comad line.
[10:26] <grifo74> it´s time to install all again
[10:27] <M0hi> So, now you are getting just the blank screen and no boot menu ?
[10:27] <grifo74> :-) i dont go desist
[10:27] <grifo74> i just like to now if anyone have the same problem
[10:28] <M0hi> Till now, I didn't see any reports like that grifo74
[10:30] <grifo74> ok i go make a new clean system and then i remaster
[10:47] <leshaste> is it possible to upgrade from ubuntu lts to lubuntu?
[10:48] <JohnDoe_71Rus> leshaste: think beter wait 12.04 lts. or try clear install + backup home
[10:52] <M0hi> leshaste: You cannot Jump from one version to another if you have other releases in the middle. So, Clean install is what I will suggest
[10:52] <leshaste> it more moving from normal ubuntu to lubuntu that I was asking about
[11:26] <leshaste> JohnDoe_71Rus, ^^
[11:26] <leshaste> my question is whether you can upgrade from normal ubuntu to lubuntu
[11:29] <JohnDoe_71Rus> leshaste: some like this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
[11:29] <JohnDoe_71Rus> remove all to minimal
[11:30] <leshaste> sorry I don't understasnd. that page just tells you how to do a minimal install doesn't it?
[11:32] <leshaste> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde looks more promising
[11:33] <leshaste> but that page only has removal instructions
[11:33] <leshaste> where do you install LXDE desktop ?
[11:34] <KM0201> i'm pretty sure you can just sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[11:35] <KM0201> then remove ubuntu-desktop
[11:35] <JohnDoe_71Rus> try remove ubuntu-standard ubuntu-desktop. save ubuntu-minimal. then sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop ?
[11:35] <KM0201> probably be easier to clean install though
[11:35] <KM0201> i don't really see the big deal of using no-install-recommends... i never do, but.. thats personal opinion
[11:36] <leshaste> ok.. does that also install a browser?
[11:36] <KM0201> yes, chromium
[11:36] <leshaste> ah ok
[11:37] <leshaste> thanks
[11:37] <leshaste> I'll wait until I am on oneiric first :)#
[11:37] <leshaste> and then try it
[11:37] <leshaste> how do you "save ubuntu-minimal"?
[11:38] <JohnDoe_71Rus> leshaste: don t remove it
[11:38] <leshaste> ah :)
[11:39] <leshaste> I assume firefox still works in lxde?
[11:39] <leshaste> I like the add-ons
[11:41] <JohnDoe_71Rus> you can install your favorite programs
[11:51] <leshaste> k
[14:20] <Dogwar1984> how can i restore my panel to defult
[14:24] <cjs> Dogwar1984: Possibly remove .config/lxpanel (or whatever it is--look around in there), log out, and log in again?
[14:25] <Dogwar1984> dame i forgot thet thx
[14:27] <cjs> \
[14:37] <Dogwar1984> problem my usb end harddrivers dont mount after update to 11 10
[14:49] <Dogwar1984> Cant mount any device help
[14:52] <cjs> Well, explaining what you're doing, what the expected result is, and what the actual result is would help.
[14:55] <Dogwar1984> i am just try plug in mu usb hdd end it dont mount it
[14:55] <Dogwar1984> happend after i upde from 11.04 to 11. 10 lubuntu
[14:59] <cjs> Ah, the auto-mount thing. I can't help with that, sorry; I don't use it.
[15:00] <Dogwar1984> thx any way
[15:08] <silverlightning> is there old style bookman for libre office?
[15:28] <butterbrot> Hi, this morning, I did a dist upgrade, but now, there is no power management applet any more. Also, there is no chance to add it with the "desktop session settings". Where can I find it?
[15:29] <butterbrot> Now I use Lubuntu 11.10
[15:31] <silverarrow> a tricky one
[15:31] <bioterror> butterbrot, xfce4-power-management-applet or what wras it
[15:32] <bioterror> was it
[15:32] <bioterror> tab complete it
[15:40] <butterbrot> bioterror: no, it is the gnome-power-manager and the gnome-power-statistics. both is installed and I reinstalled gnome-power-manager ,... I can also launch gnome-power-statistics, but there is no possibility to integrate it in the panel,.... but now, I will try to install the xfce4-power-management-applet
[15:40] <bioterror> what?
[15:41] <bioterror> lubuntu moved to xfce4-power-manager on 11.10
[15:42] <bioterror> I remember so ;)
[15:43] <butterbrot> bioterror:ohh, okay, it is already not installed on my notebook,...I will instal it, but thanks for helping :-)
[15:44] <bioterror> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications
[15:44] <bioterror> Power manager : xfce4-power-manager
[15:44] <silverarrow> are there extra fonts for libre office?
[15:46] <silverarrow> there are xfce4 components in lubuntu?
[15:46] <silverarrow> I thought that was kubuntu
[15:55] <butterbrot> bioterror: thank's a lot, it works with xfce4-power-manager ;-)
[15:56] <butterbrot> you rescued my afternoon :-)
[15:57] <bioterror> np ;)
[16:14] <bioterror> !gksu
[16:17] <butterbrot> bye
[16:44] <saml> hey,  I have ubuntu 11.10, how can I convert it to lubuntu?
[16:48] <dtchen> e.g., install lubuntu-desktop
[16:50] <andantino> how is 11.10?
[17:25] <wxl> ok what did i miss?
[17:52] <Idroy_> hi
[17:53] <wxl> yo
[17:56] <KM0201> o/
[17:59] <Idroy_> Could you guys use someone who makes artwork? I'm pretty active in the Ubuntu-NL community, I made almost all their launchpad team logos and the official Ubuntu-NL logo...
[18:00] <Idroy_> What do I need to do to get involved? :)
[18:02] <bodhi_zazen> Idroy_: post it to gnome look ?
[18:02] <bodhi_zazen> see also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork
[18:03] <Idroy_> Well, on your wiki-page it says you need contributions in the artwork area (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved), so that's why I asked about it.
[18:04] <bodhi_zazen> Not my wiki page =)
[18:04] <bodhi_zazen> I am a transient here
[18:04] <bodhi_zazen> I just cause trouble
[18:04] <wxl> http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=437
[18:05] <wxl> there
[18:05] <wxl> have fun
[18:14] <Idroy_> bodhi_zazen, that wiki page is from the "real" Ubuntu, not from Lubuntu (I know Lubuntu is a derivative of Ubuntu)
[18:16] <IAmNotThatGuy> Idroy_, you want to get involved with Lubuntu team?
[18:16] <Idroy_> Yep :)
[18:16] <IAmNotThatGuy> From now, for Lubuntu team also, work will be done by the artwork team
[18:17] <Idroy_> The artwork team of Ubuntu?
[18:17] <IAmNotThatGuy> Yes
[18:18] <bioterror> you missed your chance ;)
[18:19] <bioterror> you can probably join that team?
[18:19] <Idroy_> Hmmm, that
[18:19] <Idroy_> 's not a bad idea*
[18:19] <bioterror> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art
[18:19] <Idroy_> Thank you
[18:21] <Idroy_> I'll contact the owner of that team. :)
[19:19] <saml> is there a way to convert ubuntu to lubuntu?
[19:20] <bioterror> yes
[19:20] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends
[19:20] <bioterror> !purelxdm | saml
[19:20] <bioterror> !purelxde | saml
[19:20] <saml> thanks
[19:21] <saml> gnome unity really slows down
[19:21] <wxl> ohhhhh nice
[19:21] <Unit193> Needs to be updated for Oneiric...
[19:21] <wxl> unity is stupid
[19:21] <bioterror> Unit193, update it!
[19:21] <Unit193> bioterror: Can't, it's his site :P
[19:21] <saml> i'm using 11.10, will that work bioterror ?
[19:21] <saml> or can i just install lubuntu-desktop?
[19:22] <bioterror> hmmm
[19:22] <saml> just incase something doesn't work.. and i have a fall back option
[19:22] <Unit193> saml: For the most part, it will work fine
[19:22] <saml> or if i can just drop to text console instead of gdm.. then i can just start openbox
[19:22] <saml> using startx
[19:22] <wxl> who is psychocats? not necessarily a lubunter right?
[19:23] <saml> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text"
[19:24] <saml> and update-grub.. and make sure text is passed to kernel option
[19:24] <bioterror> hmmm
[19:24] <saml> still gdm comes up
[19:24] <bioterror> oh you guys have too much energy
[19:24] <bioterror> just drop into console
[19:24] <bioterror> tty1 for example
[19:24] <bioterror> and sudo service gdm stop
[19:24] <saml> oh
[19:24] <bioterror> sudo apt-get purge gnome\*
[19:25] <bioterror> it will remove lots of packages :D
[19:25] <Unit193> bioterror: dpkg-reconfigure lxdm
[19:25] <bioterror> and then sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends
[19:25] <Lubunter> Hi all!!!
[19:25] <Lubunter> Who here?
[19:25] <Unit193> 11.10 uses recommends
[19:25] <bioterror> Lubunter, about 54 plus you
[19:25] <wxl> hah
[19:25] <wxl> daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang
[19:26] <Unit193> ChanServ doesn't count though...
[19:26] <Lubunter> mabe its all bots?
[19:26] <wxl> warning: you've been chowned
[19:26] <wxl> could be
[19:26] <wxl> maybe you, too
[19:27] <Lubunter> i have quastion
[19:27] <wxl> bots don't usually have those
[19:27] <wxl> you're a strange bot
[19:28] <Lubunter> Why does not work the website Lubuntu.net?
[19:28] <wxl> because lubuntu ain't separate from canonical no more
[19:28] <wxl> lubuntu.net now redirects to the ubuntu wiki that relates to lubuntu
[19:28] <wxl> where you should find all future info residing at
[19:29] <wxl> if you're looking for the videos, you can still find them on youtube
[19:29] <silverlightning> social ladder climbing
[19:29] <Unit193> Because the release would bring too much load to that server, it wouldn't have been able to handle it
[19:31] <Lubunter>  it is forever?
[19:31] <Lubunter> or temporarily?
[19:33] <Lubunter> Where can I find pictures hawto, articles, news and comments, which were lubuntu.net?
[19:33] <Lubunter> Where there is a copy of the site?
[19:35] <Lubunter> wxl, u moder?
[19:43] <Unit193> Sounds to me like it will be back "... and by the way the server is not down, there are just tons of hits. I think the lubuntu.net site should be moved to a cloud service so we can cope with the demand every time a new version gets released."
[19:45] <saml> hey, how can I swap caps lock and right ctrl  >
[19:45] <saml> ?
[19:45] <saml> do I use xmodmap?
[20:41] <lifelessraptor> I need some help getting xserver to work properly.
[21:14] <saml> how can I start networking  from recovery shell?
[21:14] <saml> i did apt-get remove  bunch of ubuntu packages...   and i can't boot anymore
[21:15] <silverarrow> hmm
[21:15] <saml> i followed from the web page somewhere..
[21:15] <silverarrow> apt-get lxde?
[21:15] <saml> my network isn't up
[21:15] <saml> i'm on recovery kernel
[21:15] <saml> ifconfig displays nothing
[21:15] <saml> i booted to recovery kernel..
[21:15] <saml> i tried   start networking
[21:15] <saml> ifup eth0
[21:15] <silverarrow> it is possible, but I am afraid I am no good with terminal
[21:15] <saml> ... i don't know how ubuntu works
[21:20] <wxl> well if you killed a bunch of fundamental networking packages you have a problem regardless of whether or not you know the commands
[21:21] <wxl> i'd do ifconfig eth0 up
[21:22] <wxl> might check /etc/network/interfaces
[21:23] <wxl> you should have an /etc/hosts
[21:24] <wxl> check for /etc/resolv.conf
[21:25] <wxl> http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialNetworking.html may help
[21:28] <wxl> any luck saml
[21:29] <saml> wxl: ifconfig eth0 up brought it up
[21:29] <wxl> kewl
[21:29] <saml> trying to figure out how to get ip  .. dhcpclient?
[21:32] <bioterror> dhclient eth0
[21:45] <wxl> better now saml ?
[21:45] <laumonier> hi what is the name of the original wifi manager? it looks like network-manager but i dont find the packet
[21:46] <andantino> how is the new lubuntu?
[21:46] <wxl> loooooooooooooooooooovely
[21:46] <wxl> however the new ubtuntu sucks :D
[21:47] <KM0201> it's not to bad (tried it in vbox)... i still hate unity, my opinion of that hasn't changed
[21:47] <bioterror> laumonier, nm-applet
[21:47] <wxl> KM0201: i think that's my major problem.. and one i find nearly impossible to reconcile
[21:47] <andantino> i prefer gnome shell to unity
[21:47] <KM0201> wxl: yeah... i miss gnome.
[21:48] <KM0201> andantino: gnome shell was crazy buggy for me.. so i opted not to go that route.
[21:48] <laumonier> ty if i install wicd  instead will it be in applet in my bottom bar?
[21:48] <andantino> the first time i tried gnome shell
[21:48] <andantino> well i installed fedora 15, and then i got rid of it right away
[21:48] <andantino> i hated it
[21:48] <bioterror> laumonier, yes it will if you start wicd-gtk or what was it
[21:48] <wxl> supposedly, laumonier but not sure
[21:48] <wxl> there you go
[21:48] <KM0201> andantino: why, did you not like gnome 3
[21:48] <laumonier> ok ill try
[21:48] <KM0201> ?
[21:49] <andantino> but i like it now
[21:49] <bioterror> laumonier, add that to your startup in lxde
[21:49] <KM0201> andantino: if you like RH releases, you outta check out fedora's LXDE release, very slick.
[21:49] <andantino> mmmm well its certainly unconventional
[21:49] <andantino> im using fedora kde now
[21:49] <andantino> i like it alot
[21:49] <KM0201> ugh kde...
[21:49] <KM0201> if i had to use KDE< i'd just use Windows... thank heavens for choice.
[21:50] <andantino> it seems to run pretty well
[21:50] <wxl> i second that notion
[21:50] <wxl> a friend is just in love with kde and has been forever
[21:50]  * wxl barfs
[21:50] <KM0201> i don't get the appeal of it... i always hear, "it's like windows".. i honestly don't see how people get there, unless you compare a K menu to "Start".. in that case, LXDE is like windows
[21:50] <andantino> but yeah, gnome3 was just to unconventional for me at first
[21:50] <andantino> you have to give it time
[21:51] <KM0201> and frankly, if it was "like windows" that would be a big negative IMO...
[21:51] <bioterror> KM0201, lxde is like windows, you have that "start menu" in the left down corner of your screen
[21:51] <bioterror> and systray in right corner
[21:51] <KM0201> bioterror: lol
[21:51] <andantino> fedora kde seems to run pretty well
[21:51] <KM0201> bioterror: i refuse to make that comparison
[21:51] <andantino> but it needed a lot of tweaking
[21:51] <bioterror> I dont
[21:51] <laumonier> when i try apt-get remove nm-applet it doesnt work any clue??thx
[21:52] <KM0201> be back in a few.
[21:52] <bioterror> laumonier, why you want to get rid of gnome-network-manager?
[21:52] <laumonier> wicd is better
[21:52] <wxl> i might go get wicd
[21:53] <bioterror> honestly I dont see much difference
[21:53] <bioterror> with laptop I see nm-applet better, as I can use mobile phone as my internet source
[21:54] <bioterror> makes it easier, with desktop computers neither one is needed ;)
[21:54] <laumonier> ive got savage deconection with network manager besides with wicd there is more option to set wifi
[21:54] <wxl> well i might give it a shot because i've had trouble automatically connecting to my hidden ssid
[21:54] <wxl> supposedly installing wicd should remove network manager
[21:54] <laumonier> nop
[21:55] <wxl> wweird
[21:55] <wxl> try removing network-manager
[21:55] <wxl> look through synaptic if you have to
[21:56] <laumonier> yeah i will
[21:56] <wxl> also apt-cache search "network manager"
[22:13] <wxl> hm i got wicd-gtk but how do i get the applet to work?
[22:16] <wxl> hm maybe a reboot is in order
[22:35] <wxl> yep had to reboot
[22:40] <saml> yay, i'm on lxde!
[22:40] <saml> how can I execute some stuff during startup?  like swapping ctrl and caps lock... and xrandr
[22:53] <wxl> /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[22:54] <bioterror> I would not make it global
[22:54] <wxl> assuming there are multiple users...
[22:54] <bioterror> even if there arent
[22:54] <wxl> why for?
[22:55] <bioterror> you can do it without being root
[22:55] <wxl> there's a certain logic to that
[22:55] <bioterror> and if that file somehow gets updated, it will be reverted then
[22:55] <wxl> THAT'S a darn good point
[22:55] <bioterror> unlike something you do from your home
[22:56] <wxl> where's local?
[22:57] <wxl> ~/.config/autostart
[22:57] <wxl> right?
[22:58] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#How_I_can_autostart_a_program_when_logging_in_to_Desktop
[22:58] <bioterror> another way is to edit ~/.config/openbox/autostart.sh and add to the bottom of that file "command &"
[23:01] <KM0201> anybody using lightdm w/ login screen w/ lubuntu?
[23:01] <wxl> thx
[23:01] <KM0201> i wanna try it, but it caused me so many problems when i tried it w/ 11.04.. i'm ambivalent.
[23:02] <KM0201> it'd be nice if my dad didn't gripe about typing a username anymore.
[23:02] <wxl> oooooh wow html
[23:02] <wxl> i'd be happy to give that a shot
[23:02] <KM0201> wgat>
[23:02] <KM0201> give what a shot?
[23:02] <wxl> lightdm
[23:03] <KM0201> oh, i just installed it in vbox, was just wondering if i should anticipate probs.
[23:03] <KM0201> lol
[23:03] <wxl> ah
[23:03] <wxl> well that's what i was planning on so i'll leave it to you :D
[23:03] <KM0201> lol
[23:03] <bioterror> I would like to know how much lines of code ubuntu team has added to lightdm
[23:03] <bioterror> and if it's as light as it was ½ year ago ;)
[23:03] <KM0201> bioterror: you already know the answer tot hat
[23:04] <Unit193> bioterror: No kidding, they broke it a little for the rest of us too
[23:05] <KM0201> indeed
[23:05] <KM0201> well, it's installed, and now i'm rebooting, so... we shall see
[23:05] <bioterror> rebooting? :)
[23:05] <KM0201> i installed the virtualbox graphics driver to
[23:05] <bioterror> okay
[23:06] <KM0201> wow, something went terribly wrong
[23:06] <KM0201> lol
[23:06] <KM0201> well, hold on, i think it's starting now.
[23:07] <wxl> hahah
[23:07] <KM0201> it was flashing blue/black/blue/black/blue/black for quite some time, now, in like font size 85, i see "starting".. and it seems stopped there
[23:07] <wxl> i've had that problem in virtualbox before
[23:07] <wxl> last time i tried a virtual terminal
[23:08] <KM0201> first for me
[23:08] <KM0201> and i use vbox a lot
[23:08] <KM0201> well, let me rephrase, i've had it flash weird stuff on boot up a bit
[23:08] <KM0201> but not like that
[23:09] <KM0201> i hate grub being hidden by default
[23:09] <KM0201> what is it to show grub again... right shift?
[23:09] <wxl> agreed
[23:10] <KM0201> whats the keyboard shortcut to unhide grub?.. i thought ti was right shift, but.. i don't think thats it
[23:11] <KM0201> left shift
[23:12] <KM0201> how come when you boot recovery mode, it doesn't let you edit grub anymore"?
[23:12] <KM0201> thats kinda stupid... it says its a read only filesystem
[23:12]  * wxl shrugs
[23:13] <wxl> come to think of it why would i want to change my dm? lxdm seems good enough
[23:13] <KM0201> no no, i just want to change the login screen
[23:13] <KM0201> lxdm is fine
[23:14] <wxl> same difference
[23:14] <wxl> lxdm starts lxde & openbox
[23:14] <KM0201> dude, that is one of my pet-peeves1
[23:15] <wxl> i mean if it's all look and feel you can theme lxdm
[23:15] <wxl> of course i haven't played with how much
[23:16] <KM0201> well, its just the login screen... lubuntu doesn't have one that allows you to "click" a username...
[23:16] <KM0201> and i'm sick of istening to my dad gripe about typing his username
[23:16] <KM0201> ok, got it to boot.
[23:18] <wxl> OH
[23:19] <wxl> that makes sense
[23:19] <wxl> he wants a mac :)
[23:19] <KM0201> no, not really
[23:19] <KM0201> when his computer had Gnome, i usually just set the login screen to the one that you could "click".. a username
[23:19] <KM0201> his PC is bordering on ancient, so it won't handle unity, thus lxde... but.. the login screen is frustrating
[23:19] <KM0201> and it's shared w/ mys ister, and of course, she wants privacy
[23:21] <wxl> thus autologin don't work
[23:21] <KM0201> exactly
[23:21] <wxl> i see your dilemma
[23:21] <wxl> have you tried any others besides lightdm?
[23:21] <KM0201> no.
[23:21] <KM0201> i don't know of any others
[23:22] <wxl> cdm
[23:22] <wxl> just kidding
[23:22] <wxl> (c=console)
[23:22] <KM0201> that'd e hilarious.
[23:22] <KM0201> i'd never hear the end of that one
[23:24] <wxl> with slim you can set a default user that is automatically selected and it just sits on the password field
[23:24] <wxl> so that would even save a click
[23:24] <wxl> it's in the repos
[23:24] <KM0201> hhmm
[23:25] <KM0201> slim, never heard of it
[23:25] <wxl> might just apt-cache search "display manager"
[23:26] <KM0201> hmm, i'm gonna try slim...
[23:26] <KM0201> it says it's "fully configurable".. so we'll see.. :)
[23:26] <wxl> tee hee
[23:26] <wxl> manual is well detailed
[23:26] <wxl> from my cursory glance at it
[23:27] <wxl> not overly confusing
[23:27] <KM0201> i'll take a gander at it.
[23:27] <KM0201> thanks for the suggestion, i'd never heard of slim
[23:27] <wxl> np
[23:28] <wxl> well i never bothered to really look before
[23:28] <wxl> i can't take much credit. i just ran through the list on wikipedia :D
[23:28] <KM0201> lol
[23:28] <KM0201> cheater
[23:28] <wxl> teehee
[23:29] <KM0201> jeez, repos ar estill slow
[23:29] <KM0201> lots of upgrading going on
[23:31] <KM0201> ok, rebooting, lets see if this one bricks
[23:33] <KM0201> well, it worked, now to try and configure it
[23:33] <KM0201> well, maye not
[23:34] <KM0201> it just froze up
[23:34] <KM0201> lol
[23:34] <wxl> :/
[23:34] <wxl> wtf
[23:34] <wxl> where did it freeze?
[23:34] <KM0201> right after login
[23:34] <wxl> interesting
[23:34] <wxl> my guess is you probably need to configure ahead of time
[23:34] <wxl> before the reboot
[23:35] <wxl> but what do i know, i just search wikipedia :D
[23:35] <KM0201> well, it configures upon installing
[23:35] <wxl> (supposedly)
[23:35] <KM0201> i just wanted to see how much it could be configured
[23:36] <KM0201> well, i'll do some looking at it.
[23:37] <KM0201> brb
[23:37] <wxl> k gotta go
[23:37] <wxl> let me know how it goes