[02:56] <xannen> hey anyone around?
[03:33] <gorilla> xannen: that's not a question that is easy to answer... what's up?
[03:35] <xannen> hey gorilla, i have ubuntu 11.10 question.  i did a dist upgrade, and now my network won't work on my desktop.  i'm on laptop now.
[03:35] <xannen> i did a google and found: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1847900&page=1 and that didn't work either.
[05:54] <head_victim> Happy New Ubuntu everyone
[06:08] <caryb> :)
[06:08] <caryb> just finished the updrade to my work PC Jared
[06:08] <head_victim> Nice work
[06:09] <head_victim> I'm debating if I update this 10.04 through each step to 11.10 or just wait for 12.04
[06:09] <caryb> i always have the current on my work pc & dev on the my personal lappy
[06:10] <head_victim> I used to be more adventurous but organising Ubuntu stuff has meant less time to actually PLAY with Ubuntu these days
[06:10] <head_victim> Will be good to catch up tomorrow afternoon though
[06:12] <head_victim> sagaci: I can't remember, was I meant to put the bug stuff on the ML or not?
[06:12] <caryb> just broke my virtualbox with 4.1 upgrade :(
[06:12] <head_victim> I remember you said something btu can't find the scrollback
[06:13] <sagaci> head_victim, I said just remove it if you want, not sure if it's setup to push email to the ml currently ...
[06:13] <head_victim> caryb: I lost my main VM mcahine to that update as well. I got the irates and wiped all the hd images so I'll start over. They were all dev stuff anyway, nothing I actually used
[06:13] <head_victim> sagaci: it's sitting in the moderation queue
[06:13] <sagaci> it's there much stuff or is it just in one thread
[06:14] <head_victim> It's just one email saying the team had been assigned the bug.
[06:14] <head_victim> If anyone else comments though it will also try to emailt he list
[06:14] <caryb> had to disable the usb to get it to work
[06:15] <head_victim> Mine couldn't access the vdi or something random like that. Said it was already associated with another VM
[06:15] <sagaci> well it's up to you, I personally think it's important enough to assign/mail the list but if it'll create lots of traffic down the line, well i'm all for muting it
[06:15] <head_victim> We'll take it on a case by case basis then if you like
[06:16] <sagaci> yup
[06:29] <xannen> Hi is anyone around.  I need help with 11.10 networking.  Updating stuffed it up.
[06:30] <caryb> catV or wireless?
[06:30] <xannen> cat5
[06:31] <caryb> Was about to answer but am on Kubuntu not Ubuntu :(
[06:31] <caryb> at the console does ifconfig give you any ip address?
[06:32] <xannen> in my network manager sys tray, it recognise the wired network, but it's greyed out, and i can't click to connect to it.
[06:34] <caryb> does lspci recognise your network card? 
[06:35] <xannen> yes caryb
[06:36] <xannen> it showed up the ethernet controller.
[06:37] <caryb> i had one of my machines use the wrong network card & had to blacklist the wrong one to force it to use the correct device but thats at home but I did find the answer on Goooooooooogle
[06:39] <xannen> I had a google too: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1847900&page=1 is the closest answer, but it still didn't fixed my problem.  furthermore, the thread was on beta1, and i'm using final release, i thought fundamental networking would have definitely be resolved.
[06:41] <caryb> mine was with a intel nic but a friend had the problem with broadcomm
[06:43] <xannen> i'm with intel chip too.
[06:44] <xannen> caryb, it is such a down side on linux, that it is dependent on internet for update/install.  yet after such action, the internet goes down...  and it spirals into hell.  :D
[06:51] <caryb> I have a usb -> ethernet adaptor for getting me out of the smellies :)
[06:52] <caryb> great for Windowz servers who cant see the net due to driver issues
[06:52] <xannen> lol
[06:53] <head_victim> xannen: you can install packages and drivers via USB/CD via Synaptic
[06:54] <xannen> head_victim, i did a stupid thing.  i removed synaptic....  and now i don't have synaptic.  :(
[06:54] <head_victim> Hah well that does make it more difficult, not impossible just more manual
[06:55] <head_victim> Desktop, laptop or netbook?
[06:56] <sagaci> xannen, just go sudo apt-get install synaptic
[06:56] <xannen> at first glance, i thought the networking was a minor thing, and just need reconfig...  so i ignored it and started customising other stuff...  and got rid synaptic ...  and now i regret it so much.  :(
[06:56] <head_victim> sagaci: networking is broken
[06:56] <sagaci> ah ok
[06:56] <sagaci> good luck
[06:56] <xannen> yep sagaci, my network is dead.  "how could this happen to me?"
[06:56] <head_victim> xannen: if you haven't done too much to it and don't have much data to save, might be worth reinstalling.
[06:58] <xannen> yeah, might do that.  but hoping i don't have to.   initially, i did the dist upgrade through update manager, and it seemed to be well.  after reboot, network die!.
[06:58] <caryb> I really miss tsclient :(
[06:59] <head_victim> xannen: or try to find someone with a mobile broadband USB modem
[06:59] <xannen> caryb, that's relating to remote desktop?
[07:00] <xannen> ubuntu: keyboard = human  :D
[07:01] <head_victim> xannen: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11266147&postcount=6 check that 
[07:02] <xannen> head_victim, thanks, i'll try that soon.  i'll see if i can do a recovery.
[07:03] <xannen> and also, sometimes unity failed to load up, but unity 2d worked all right.
[07:13] <xannen> so did anyone celebrate over carbon tax on wednesday?  LOL
[07:15] <head_victim> Can I just say, VirtualBox 4.1 is a big step forward. Multi display, CPU % allocation and a few other bits and bobs now just work
[07:16] <xannen> can it let you play share graphics card to play game?
[07:17] <head_victim> I wouldn't ever attempt a 3d game via virtualbox, but it lets me simulate multiple monitors
[07:18] <xannen> i wouldn't either.  but vm should allow sharing of graphics for efficient resource usage. :D
[07:21] <head_victim> It does...
[07:21] <head_victim> You select how much video card memory you allocate to each VM
[07:22] <xannen> so far max is 256?
[07:22] <head_victim> I think it depends on how much memory your video card actually has
[07:23] <xannen> head_victim, that's odd.  i use virtualbox version 4.x and it only let me use 256M.  :S  and my gpu has more than that.
[07:23] <head_victim> It might just be a maximum of half what your gpu has
[07:24] <xannen> nope, i have high end gpu, geforce gtx580...  and it has 1500+ M.
[07:28] <head_victim> No idea, I've never set it above 64 or so
[07:29] <head_victim> Not sure what you'd be running in a VM that needed that much (my point being if you NEED more than 256MB of video card ram you're probably much better off running it on bare metal)
[07:30] <xannen> i like to run vm in vm.  :D
[07:30] <head_victim> Do you NEED to or do you WANT to
[07:30] <head_victim> ;)
[07:31] <xannen> i want to.  :D
[07:31] <head_victim> See my previous point about needing that much GPU ram then 
[07:33] <xannen> hehe
[07:42] <xannen> out of all the things that has to go wrong, it has to be networking!!  damn 11.10  :(
[07:42] <xannen> at least the keyboard and mouse still works. :D
[07:46] <airtonix> crazy people out in force today
[07:47] <xannen> are you in canberra?  lol
[07:48] <xannen> odd...  i can't open terminal with:  RIGHT alt + RIGHT ctrl + t; but LEFT alt + LEFT ctrl + t works.
[07:51] <xannen> nevermind, it was keyboard layout issued.  it's fixed. :D
[07:59] <xannen> fuck this...  format and re-install :D
[08:07] <xannen> booted into 11.10 live CD, and still no internet.  in 10.x it auto connects without a problem.
[08:08] <xannen> <britney spears> I'm going craz-eeee!
[08:33] <head_victim> sagaci: have you been using VB 4.1? I've noticed heaps of configuration updates in it
[08:34] <xannen> head_victim, i think i have to reformat and install 11.10.  :(
[08:34] <xannen> why is 11.10 so evil towards me.  :(
[08:35] <head_victim> xannen: if the live cd isn't working either I don't know that would help
[08:35] <xannen> so new image download?
[08:35] <head_victim> Do you have another computer you can transfer drivers from?
[08:35] <xannen> yep.
[08:35] <head_victim> Maybe try that
[08:36] <xannen> okay then ^_^
[08:36] <head_victim> First you have to work out what driver is the issue though
[08:37] <sagaci> head_victim: yeah, I only just tried VB recently, a few nice updates
[08:37] <head_victim> Yeah I'm loving dual screens, means I can test out how it will look before I install.
[08:37] <head_victim> I never had the ability to set the load on the CPU either
[08:38] <sagaci> didn't get that far into the configuration, I usually just use it via testdrive to see if dailies are working
[08:39] <xannen> lol poor VB as guinea pig.
[08:39] <head_victim> xannen: that's exactly what I use it for most personally
[08:40] <head_victim> I have used it to help troubleshoot other user's issues on installations I don't have
[08:40] <sagaci> i'll reinstall the 11.10 lubuntu on my netbook tonight
[08:40] <xannen> i'm back to windows if 11.10 doesn't work.  :P
[08:41] <head_victim> xannen: it does work, otherwise millions of people would be cursing.
[08:42] <head_victim> What are the results when you type in "lspci | grep Ethernet" into a terminal?
[08:43] <xannen> head_victim, i got 2 ethernet results, and i do have 2 ethernet ports.
[08:43] <xannen> i'm guessing i have a bad download.
[08:43] <head_victim> I assume you've tried swapping the cable over between the ports?
[08:44] <xannen> yes
[08:44] <head_victim> Ok maybe they're conflicting
[08:46] <xannen> head_victim, help, if that is true, how do i solve?  o.O
[08:47] <head_victim> No idea
[08:47] <head_victim> I'd be googling
[08:49] <head_victim> If you want help you'll need to paste the results of the command I asked you to run earlier
[08:55] <Fudge> head_victim  u on oneiric?
[08:55] <head_victim> Fudge: only with VB atm 
[08:55] <Fudge> thats ok, can u test something for me 
[08:55] <head_victim> Debating on if I have the time to step through 10.04 to 11.10 or just wait to 12.04
[08:55] <head_victim> Oh I just broke it, need to reinstall, give me 5
[08:55] <Fudge> it'll only take a sec
[08:55] <Fudge> loL
[08:56] <Fudge> np ill be here
[08:56] <Fudge> i tried vb but couldnt figure it out, id hoped that i could run it from a console
[08:57] <head_victim> I buggered up the hdd size because I'd used dynamic sizing and didn't realise the space it asked for was the maximum not the minimum
[08:57] <head_victim> So just creating a 100gb now
[08:58] <Fudge> wow thats huge
[08:58] <head_victim> Means I won't run out
[08:58] <Fudge> id like a nice little interactive script that just asks me everything
[08:59] <head_victim> Well it is pretty easy to set up
[08:59] <head_victim> I just played with the settings until I knew what did what
[08:59] <head_victim> It's all virtual machines, you can't break anything ;)
[09:00] <Fudge> can you actually run it from a console, the vm. Not need X
[09:00] <head_victim> No idea :)
[09:00] <Fudge> this machien here prob wouldnt even run a vm loL p4 3gig
[09:00] <head_victim> I'm pretty useless unless I've done it before
[09:00] <Fudge> vbox gui isnt orca accessible last time i  tired
[09:00] <Fudge> tried
[09:00] <Fudge> same here loL
[09:01] <head_victim> Evening bejames, you coming tomorrow afternoon?
[09:02] <bejames> hey head_victim, probably not, wife is working and I have the kids
[09:03] <head_victim> bejames: ah fair enough, one day we'll get a perfect time for everyone :/
[09:03] <bejames> I might drag them along for a short visit
[09:03] <bejames> yeah shift work sucks
[09:03] <head_victim> I'm actually on a 9-5 as of 2 weeks ago
[09:03] <bejames> Nice
[09:03] <head_victim> I'm "filling in" for my boss but apparently looking pretty full time
[09:03] <Fudge> u up and running again head_victim 
[09:03] <bejames> fingers crossed
[09:04] <head_victim> Fudge: the hdd creation is taking ages :/
[09:04] <Fudge> np
[09:04] <head_victim> I'll let you know when I have default installed. I won't bugger around with it until I've run your command :)
[09:04] <Fudge> all id like u to do is open gedit and use kb shortcut to save
[09:04] <head_victim> bejames: yeah will be sticking my hand out for more cash as well
[09:04] <Fudge> control + s, it also is supposed to launch speech i.e orca
[09:05] <Fudge> not sure if it work sanywhere or just on nautilus e.g desktop
[09:05] <head_victim> But yeah, it's so hard getting times/places everyone can do
[09:05] <Fudge> thats true
[09:05] <head_victim> Fudge: I'll figure it out :) Should it do something on screen or only through the speakers?
[09:06] <Fudge> u should see the orca prefs appear as well
[09:09] <head_victim> Ok just checking
[09:09] <head_victim> The hdd creation is at 88%
[09:09] <head_victim> The install should go alright, 2x 2.4ghz cpus and 4gb ram
[09:09] <head_victim> Only takes a few minutes
[09:14] <Fudge> sweet
[09:15] <xannen> How do I do checksum against iso?
[09:16] <head_victim> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[09:16] <head_victim> Also
[09:16] <head_victim> !md5
[09:17] <xannen> ty head_victim ^_^
[09:20] <head_victim> No worries
[09:20] <head_victim> Fudge: installing now 
[09:21] <Fudge> tks
[09:24] <xannen> okay...  reburning 11.10 iso image.  :D
[09:25] <Fudge> miens burnt sitting in drive for a reboot
[09:25] <Fudge> but im up to the last ep of startrek enterprise season2
[09:35] <head_victim> Fudge: installing VBox extensions, then a reboot and I'm ready
[09:39] <Fudge> ok
[09:39] <Fudge> may be a false alarm but if u can test anyway
[09:39] <head_victim> Fudge: no worries mate
[09:41] <head_victim> Opens the save as dialoguer
[09:41] <head_victim> Opens the save as dialogue
[09:43] <head_victim> I opened the universal access and the screen reader is switched off, might explain it
[09:43] <head_victim> Fudge: ^
[09:44] <head_victim> When I enable it and press control + s in gedit it still asks to save
[09:46] <Fudge> thank you very much mate
[09:46] <Fudge> loL head_victim 
[09:47] <Fudge> tks again
[09:47] <head_victim> Fudge: let me know if you want anything else checked
[09:47] <Fudge> ill isntall it later on tonight or tomorrow, but thanks
[09:48] <head_victim> Fudge: glad to help
[10:09] <xannen> head_victim, my network still isn't fixed.  :(  i checksum my download from last night, and the new image i just download now.  they are both the same, and correct according to checksum code on webpage.  sigh...  so i have no idea what is going on.  :S
[10:10] <head_victim> xannen: can you post the outcome of the command I said ages ago? "lspci | grep Ethernet"
[10:11] <xannen> )):19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579V Gigabit Network Connection (rev 5)
[10:11] <xannen> 00:19.0*
[10:12] <xannen> 08:02.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8110SC/8169SC Gigabit Ethernet (rev 10)
[10:13] <xannen> Those are the only two results, and correct results.
[10:14] <head_victim> And there's nothing odd in your network manager applet?
[10:16] <Fudge> u cant get it connected?
[10:17] <xannen> head_victim, not that i'm aware of.
[10:17] <Fudge> guess ifconfig only shows loopback does it?
[10:18] <xannen> Fudge, no, my network manager only recognise the ethernet controller, but fails to connect.  i only have 1 port/controller with an ethernet cable plugged in, and it recognises that.  but fails to connect to the router.
[10:18] <Fudge> both ends have clips? tried another cable?
[10:20] <xannen> yes with clips.  i doubt it was the cable.  all my network is fine until i upgraded to 11.10.  but sure, i'll try different cable for the doubt.
[10:20] <head_victim> xannen: can you pastebin the results of running "ifconfig" for us?
[10:20] <head_victim> !pastebin
[10:20] <Fudge> ive had same stuff and you always  say it was fine before, but sometimes it has been
[10:20] <Fudge> dpkg -l | grep pastebinit 
[10:20] <Fudge> /exec -o ifconfig | pastebinit
[10:21] <Fudge> :D
[10:22] <xannen> umm...  my affect comp doesn't have the network/internet, so pasting the result will be hard.  LOL
[10:23] <Fudge> xannen  do u ahve an iphone or android phone, u can get online by usb tethering if u need to
[10:23] <Fudge> perhaps check additional drivers
[10:24] <xannen> Fudge, i can't install additional driver because i have no internet/network.  >.<
[10:24] <xannen> i do have an android phone, but no 3G data.  LOL
[10:25] <Fudge> oh
[10:25] <xannen> oh god...  why does it have to be the network!! ><
[10:26] <Fudge> ive been told lshw -c network may help in situations like this, i just had to google a bit to try and find the command
[10:27] <xannen> the silly thing is, 10.10, 11.04 all worked out of the box for me, even the live cd auto connect to networking/internet.  not sure why 11.10 having a network dummy spit.  :S
[10:27] <Fudge> see how that goes and if ifconfig gets populated, or i guess by what ur saying your ethernet is in ifconfig, right?
[10:27] <Fudge> sorry its -C
[10:28] <head_victim> xannen: did you modify the network settings for your previous install at all (set up any parameters different to default)?
[10:28] <head_victim> The upgrade may have changed them
[10:29] <xannen> no...  i didn't.  also, i had reformat and did fresh install now.  and still not working.
[10:29] <xannen> i'm so glad i have this back up laptop.  lol
[10:29] <head_victim> Can you pop off the secondary nic and retry the installation?
[10:30] <Fudge> did lshw -C network help at all?
[10:30] <Fudge> and do u get any offer with dhclient eth0 if thats the interface
[10:31] <xannen> Fudge, after i did: lshw -c network; it output something similar to lspci | grep Ethernet   but the output was better format for display.
[10:32] <head_victim> Well the ifconfig will tell you if it's set up the eth0 or just the lo
[10:32] <xannen> i just tried: sudo ifdown eth0  ; output: ifdown: interface eth0 not configured, and likewise for eth1.
[10:32] <Fudge> whats the logical name
[10:33] <Fudge> and can u summarise some of the configuration listed in the cmd
[10:33] <xannen> yep yep.  i think i used the command properly.  but the point is, it output says it is not configured, let alone be disabled (ifdown)
[10:33] <Fudge> i.e
[10:33] <Fudge>        logical name: eth4
[10:34] <Fudge>        configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=e100 driverversion=3.5.24-k2-NAPI duplex=full firmware=N/A ip=192.168.0.3 latency=32 link=yes max$
[10:34] <Fudge> etc loL
[10:35] <xannen> okay, if i run ifconfig, what are signs of bad or no config?
[10:35] <xannen> once i run that command, i get the respect output info about the controller, and of course for lo
[10:35] <Fudge> does it say the link state is up?
[10:36] <head_victim> Well I gotta leave you to it for a while, probably bbl
[10:36] <xannen> ty head_victim <3
[10:36] <Fudge> np head_victim 
[10:36] <head_victim> I'd say it's a conflict and I'd attempt to remove the second nic and try again to remove one source of psosible issues
[10:36] <head_victim> Cheerio
[10:36] <xannen> how do i remove/disable the second link?
[10:37] <head_victim> I'd remove the actualy network card from the machine
[10:37] <xannen> i tried ifdown, but i got message to say that ethX is not configured.
[10:37] <head_victim> But if you're not used to playing inside computers that might be more difficult
[10:37] <xannen> i have the network controller built into the mobo.  :D
[10:37] <xannen> i'll get the ahmmer out :D
[10:37] <xannen> hammer*  lol
[10:38] <head_victim> If you have 2 ports and they're different models one has to be an add in card though
[10:38] <Fudge> cant u just dhclient both of them and try pinging your gateway after that
[10:38] <xannen> fudge, can you guide me through it?  i have no idea where to start.  :(
[10:39] <Fudge> are you root or user
[10:40] <xannen> head_victim, no no, newer mobo can have 2 built in network controller.  like the plug in port is right next each other, along with sound socket, usb, etc...
[10:40] <xannen> yes i am, i can do sudo!  waada!  :D
[10:40] <Fudge> which eth devices do u have? eth0 and eth1 right?
[10:40] <xannen> yep
[10:40] <Fudge> sudo dhcleint eth0 
[10:40] <Fudge> sudo dhcleint eth01
[10:41] <Fudge> oops 
[10:41] <Fudge> sudo dhcleint eth1
[10:41] <Fudge> watch for things like offer from your router ip of new ip for you
[10:42] <xannen> okay, i did: sudo dhclient eth0 which is not connected to router.   lol.  i'm just doing it in order you suggested.
[10:42] <xannen> and right now, it appears to "hang" and waiting for response.
[10:42] <Fudge> it will give up so thats cool
[10:43] <Fudge> see what the 2nd one does, if u wanna give up on it hit control C but it wont hurt to wait
[10:44] <xannen> yep, i ctrl + c; waiting on eth1 response now.
[10:45] <xannen> and eth1 is connected to router.
[10:45] <Fudge> ping the router ip
[10:45] <Fudge> ping -a ip
[10:45] <Fudge> for a pretty annoying beep if u walk away testing cables
[10:45] <Fudge> replies?
[10:45] <xannen> lol damn, what's first 1 digit of LAN ip number, 185.192 ?
[10:46] <Fudge> 192 usually
[10:46] <xannen> ty
[10:46] <Fudge> look up to your dhclient output, it will be there
[10:46] <Fudge> offer from . . . .
[10:46] <Fudge> if u get a reply, ping google.com
[10:46] <Fudge> if u dont get a google ping reply cat /etc/resolv.conf and see if your routers ip is there, i.e nameserver ip
[10:47] <xannen> no dhclient output yet.   ping -a 192.185.1.1 : connect: Network is unreachable
[10:48] <Fudge> sorry i thought this meant it did connect
[10:48] <Fudge> and eth1 is connected to router.
[10:48] <Fudge> thats a strange ip lol
[10:48] <xannen> cat /etc/resolv.conf -> # Generated by NetworkManager       No other results besides that.
[10:48] <Fudge> k
[10:48] <Fudge> is your network manager set static or for dhcp
[10:49] <Fudge> sorry jsut shooting through ideas here
[10:49] <Fudge> do you get errors or returned prompt when you do sudo ifconfig eth1 up
[10:49] <xannen> it's set to dhcp
[10:49] <Fudge> u dont have wirless at all do you?
[10:50] <Fudge> wireless even
[10:50] <Fudge> im bout to install it myself actually
[10:51]  * Fudge pokes xannen 
[11:17] <xannen> fudge, sorry about dc.  but i'm back.
[11:21] <xannen> hmm...  my networking is fixed?  vaccum the router?  o.O
[11:23] <Fudge> cool
[11:23] <Fudge> done well
[11:24] <Fudge> this machine wouldnt really boot oneiric
[11:24] <xannen> lol well i reset and vaccuum it :D
[11:24] <Fudge> grub cam up then another screen but thats it
[11:24] <Fudge> restart would have done it i reckon
[11:24] <Fudge> seems after i ran lshw -C network mine worked
[11:24] <xannen> also...  for gpu driver: version-current vs post-release?
[11:24] <Fudge> but i thought it jsut lists the stuff, nothing else
[11:24] <Fudge> no ide
[11:29] <Fudge> head_victim  will be pleased
[11:30] <xannen> yes, next time for router/network issues, take out the vaccuum cleaner.  and reset it too.  hehe
[11:34] <head_victim> xannen: good to hear it's fixed but yeah, if the network cards are different chipsets they shouldn't both be on the motherboard, that would be weird in my experience.
[11:40] <xannen> head_victim, see: http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8P67_EVO/  that's the mobo i have.  it has 2 built-in lan.  not sure how they are configured, but it's 2 onboard lan.
[11:41] <jargonfactory> \o/ all
[11:43] <head_victim> xannen: wow, that is odd. They are actually different controllers on the same board.
[11:44] <xannen> i know.  lol
[11:45] <xannen> so after spending hours figuring networking issues, reformat, chat on irc, and 2 mins vaccuum and router reset fixes the problem.  now i have spend more hours, reinstalling.  :(
[11:46] <head_victim> Ah well, learnt a good lesson. It's usually the most basic of things
[11:47] <xannen> that's what i thought too.
[11:47] <xannen> but strangely, my other comp at the time ethernet connection and worked, and my laptop on wireless worked.  so i didn't think it was the router.
[11:48] <head_victim> Could have been a jammed port
[11:48] <xannen> maybe...
[11:49] <xannen> on 11.10, what's the recommended xchat:  [plain] xchat irc, or xchat-gnome irc
[11:52] <head_victim> I use xchat (without the gnome bit) I think
[11:52] <xannen> okay cool
[11:53] <xannen> i'll try that then.  i am using gnome xchat now.
[11:54] <head_victim> The beauty of linux is there are 100 different things you can try if you want and find the one you like the best :)
[11:55] <xannen> i want the best handed on silver platter.  :D  brb relog on xchat.
[11:56] <xannen> hello xchat (without gnome)  lol
[11:57] <Fudge> telnets the best and ships default on all operatin gsystems
[11:57] <Fudge> loL
[11:57] <head_victim> Ha, go back to 1975
[11:58] <jargonfactory> RIP dmr
[11:59] <xannen> lol
[11:59] <head_victim> jargonfactory: indeed
[12:00] <xannen> oh god... i need to dl hon again.  :(
[12:00] <xannen> sigh...
[12:01] <jargonfactory> head_victim: i felt really bad mate. did C back in high-school and it was so bad to learn of his death. I even have his K&R with me :(
[12:01] <jargonfactory> well half of K&R even
[12:01] <xannen> who die?  K or R ?
[12:02] <jargonfactory> boingboing.net/2011/10/12/dennis-ritchie-1941-2011-computer-scientist-unix-co-creator-c-co-inventor.html
[12:04] <xannen> yes it is sad.  though, C was awesome at the time, now it's cumbersome after heavy reliance on virtual machine.  lol
[12:05] <jargonfactory> C is used big time dude
[12:05] <jargonfactory> (Even today)
[12:05] <xannen> i know...  but pointers and memory mgt is annoying, and on top of that there's the usual code bug, etc...  :D
[12:06] <xannen> it's nice that memory mgt is out of the way. :D
[12:09] <head_victim> I have no comment as I have no idea about programming. Sad to loose one of the figure heads though
[12:09] <xannen> brb relogging into standard unity :D
[12:09] <jargonfactory> wonder what Linux would have been called if there was no UNIX. would it even exist? ofcourse no but it's kind of interesting to think about *what* kind of computing environment it'd have been.
[12:10] <jargonfactory> head_victim: don't worry abt it PEBKACS are everywhere
[12:10] <head_victim> Freax was the preferred name I believe
[12:10] <jargonfactory> hah
[12:15] <xannen> hello sagaci <3
[12:15] <sagaci> hi
[12:28] <xannen> on 11.10, how do you set the dashboard on primary monitor for dual monitor?
[12:32] <head_victim> As long as you set whichever monitor you want to be primary the dash goes there
[12:33] <head_victim> That's in system settings then "displays"
[12:34] <head_victim> I just sorted out my virtual box "dual screens"
[12:37] <xannen> head_victim, i had a look at system -> display, and it can't detect my monitors, it only says unknown.
[12:38] <head_victim> Ok make sure you have your video drivers installed properly (usually need proprietary for nvidia and/or ati)
[12:38] <head_victim> The best way to check that is in the system settings "additional drivers"
[12:39] <xannen> i have, but i installed: post-release current version, instead of just current version, does that make a difference?
[12:40] <head_victim> Shouldn't, have you restarted x since installing them?
[12:41] <xannen> yes i restarted my comp after driver update.
[12:44] <xannen> ok, i'll try the standard current version. restarting comp now. :D
[13:02] <xannen> soft center is giving me the sh*t
[13:03] <xannen> yay have synaptic now <3
[13:14] <jargonfactory> xannen: man, you're so hyper and I used to think I was hyper :)
[13:14] <xannen> hehe jargonfactory 
[13:15] <jargonfactory> where do you get all these energy from? guaranas?
[13:18] <xannen> sexual frustration?  :P
[13:55] <xannen> i can't wait till 12.04... i feel 11.10 release can be better :D
[14:16] <xannen> night all ^_^
[14:48] <airtonix> lol 
[14:52] <head_victim> If anyone is interested - Ubuntu Community Council Election results - http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?id=E_234037fcede80bac
[14:54] <sagaci> not surprised about dholbach
[14:54] <sagaci> :)
[14:58] <head_victim> The top 4 were pretty safe, the others were close
[15:02] <sagaci> oh well hopefully it's a good cc for the next couple of years
[15:03] <head_victim> Fingers crossed.
[15:04] <head_victim> First time I've been able to vote :)
[15:04] <sagaci> yeah I think that's how they do the debian votes, like for DPL, etc
[15:04] <sagaci> that weird voting system
[15:04] <head_victim> Yeah, one of the real benefits of being a member.
[15:04] <head_victim> You should look into that yourself if you're interested
[15:06] <sagaci> yeah I'm thinking next year sometime
[15:08] <head_victim> Cool, I just know they're trying to promote it again as a lot of people don't seem to know enough about it
[15:09] <sagaci> they were vaguely talking about it on the ubuntu-uk podcast and I agree that a hell of a lot of people in the ubuntu community are quite happy doing what they're doing without having to worry about any membership/leadership
[15:10] <sagaci> each to their own... I'd like to go for it but I don't want to apply and not feel like i'm ready (ie. I don't think I should yet)
[15:10] <head_victim> Well I think the best way to check is to actually write up your wiki page like you're going for it. You'll be surprised I think.
[15:11] <sagaci> yeah, I've been collating a few of the things I've done but I'd like to hold at least one more release party/event 
[15:11] <head_victim> No worries :) Just sing out when you start chasing testimonials 
[15:12] <sagaci> it was just so weird having the release party when all the participant (bar me) had really nothing to do with the -au loco
[15:12] <head_victim> Well now they know about it though
[15:12] <sagaci> in hindsight, I should have taken some -au team cards
[15:12] <head_victim> That's half the reason for it all
[15:12] <sagaci> yeah, we did talk about it
[15:13] <head_victim> Cool, well I have to head to bed
[15:13] <head_victim> Our release party is tomorrow afternoon, weather permitting. The radar is looking like a stormy day is ahead of us.
[15:14] <sagaci> catchya later, I should go to sleep now too, rain on the roof is the best night-time lullaby
[15:14] <sagaci> righteo then, hope it goes well
[15:44] <ikt> head_victim: you here?
[15:44] <sagaci> doubt it
[15:44] <ikt> damn!
[15:44] <ikt> oh well check this
[15:50] <sagaci> ikt, ?
[16:00] <ikt> wops
[16:01] <ikt> http://doodle.com/bpz47isrg9q7xz23
[16:03] <sagaci> ah nice, now just post it to the group :)
[16:03] <sagaci> errr, list
[16:04] <sagaci> what does 8pm mean
[16:04] <sagaci> est, edst, cst, wst?
[16:26] <ikt> good point
[16:26] <ikt> i'll make it est