[02:56] hey anyone around? [03:33] xannen: that's not a question that is easy to answer... what's up? [03:35] hey gorilla, i have ubuntu 11.10 question. i did a dist upgrade, and now my network won't work on my desktop. i'm on laptop now. [03:35] i did a google and found: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1847900&page=1 and that didn't work either. [05:54] Happy New Ubuntu everyone [06:08] :) [06:08] just finished the updrade to my work PC Jared [06:08] Nice work [06:09] I'm debating if I update this 10.04 through each step to 11.10 or just wait for 12.04 [06:09] i always have the current on my work pc & dev on the my personal lappy [06:10] I used to be more adventurous but organising Ubuntu stuff has meant less time to actually PLAY with Ubuntu these days [06:10] Will be good to catch up tomorrow afternoon though [06:12] sagaci: I can't remember, was I meant to put the bug stuff on the ML or not? [06:12] just broke my virtualbox with 4.1 upgrade :( [06:12] I remember you said something btu can't find the scrollback [06:13] head_victim, I said just remove it if you want, not sure if it's setup to push email to the ml currently ... [06:13] caryb: I lost my main VM mcahine to that update as well. I got the irates and wiped all the hd images so I'll start over. They were all dev stuff anyway, nothing I actually used [06:13] sagaci: it's sitting in the moderation queue [06:13] it's there much stuff or is it just in one thread [06:14] It's just one email saying the team had been assigned the bug. [06:14] If anyone else comments though it will also try to emailt he list [06:14] had to disable the usb to get it to work [06:15] Mine couldn't access the vdi or something random like that. Said it was already associated with another VM [06:15] well it's up to you, I personally think it's important enough to assign/mail the list but if it'll create lots of traffic down the line, well i'm all for muting it [06:15] We'll take it on a case by case basis then if you like [06:16] yup [06:29] Hi is anyone around. I need help with 11.10 networking. Updating stuffed it up. [06:30] catV or wireless? [06:30] cat5 [06:31] Was about to answer but am on Kubuntu not Ubuntu :( [06:31] at the console does ifconfig give you any ip address? [06:32] in my network manager sys tray, it recognise the wired network, but it's greyed out, and i can't click to connect to it. [06:34] does lspci recognise your network card? [06:35] yes caryb [06:36] it showed up the ethernet controller. [06:37] i had one of my machines use the wrong network card & had to blacklist the wrong one to force it to use the correct device but thats at home but I did find the answer on Goooooooooogle [06:39] I had a google too: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1847900&page=1 is the closest answer, but it still didn't fixed my problem. furthermore, the thread was on beta1, and i'm using final release, i thought fundamental networking would have definitely be resolved. [06:41] mine was with a intel nic but a friend had the problem with broadcomm [06:43] i'm with intel chip too. [06:44] caryb, it is such a down side on linux, that it is dependent on internet for update/install. yet after such action, the internet goes down... and it spirals into hell. :D [06:51] I have a usb -> ethernet adaptor for getting me out of the smellies :) [06:52] great for Windowz servers who cant see the net due to driver issues [06:52] lol [06:53] xannen: you can install packages and drivers via USB/CD via Synaptic [06:54] head_victim, i did a stupid thing. i removed synaptic.... and now i don't have synaptic. :( [06:54] Hah well that does make it more difficult, not impossible just more manual [06:55] Desktop, laptop or netbook? [06:56] xannen, just go sudo apt-get install synaptic [06:56] at first glance, i thought the networking was a minor thing, and just need reconfig... so i ignored it and started customising other stuff... and got rid synaptic ... and now i regret it so much. :( [06:56] sagaci: networking is broken [06:56] ah ok [06:56] good luck [06:56] yep sagaci, my network is dead. "how could this happen to me?" [06:56] xannen: if you haven't done too much to it and don't have much data to save, might be worth reinstalling. [06:58] yeah, might do that. but hoping i don't have to. initially, i did the dist upgrade through update manager, and it seemed to be well. after reboot, network die!. [06:58] I really miss tsclient :( [06:59] xannen: or try to find someone with a mobile broadband USB modem [06:59] caryb, that's relating to remote desktop? [07:00] ubuntu: keyboard = human :D [07:01] xannen: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11266147&postcount=6 check that [07:02] head_victim, thanks, i'll try that soon. i'll see if i can do a recovery. [07:03] and also, sometimes unity failed to load up, but unity 2d worked all right. [07:13] so did anyone celebrate over carbon tax on wednesday? LOL [07:15] Can I just say, VirtualBox 4.1 is a big step forward. Multi display, CPU % allocation and a few other bits and bobs now just work [07:16] can it let you play share graphics card to play game? [07:17] I wouldn't ever attempt a 3d game via virtualbox, but it lets me simulate multiple monitors [07:18] i wouldn't either. but vm should allow sharing of graphics for efficient resource usage. :D [07:21] It does... [07:21] You select how much video card memory you allocate to each VM [07:22] so far max is 256? [07:22] I think it depends on how much memory your video card actually has [07:23] head_victim, that's odd. i use virtualbox version 4.x and it only let me use 256M. :S and my gpu has more than that. [07:23] It might just be a maximum of half what your gpu has [07:24] nope, i have high end gpu, geforce gtx580... and it has 1500+ M. [07:28] No idea, I've never set it above 64 or so [07:29] Not sure what you'd be running in a VM that needed that much (my point being if you NEED more than 256MB of video card ram you're probably much better off running it on bare metal) [07:30] i like to run vm in vm. :D [07:30] Do you NEED to or do you WANT to [07:30] ;) [07:31] i want to. :D [07:31] See my previous point about needing that much GPU ram then [07:33] hehe [07:42] out of all the things that has to go wrong, it has to be networking!! damn 11.10 :( [07:42] at least the keyboard and mouse still works. :D [07:46] crazy people out in force today [07:47] are you in canberra? lol [07:48] odd... i can't open terminal with: RIGHT alt + RIGHT ctrl + t; but LEFT alt + LEFT ctrl + t works. [07:51] nevermind, it was keyboard layout issued. it's fixed. :D [07:59] fuck this... format and re-install :D [08:07] booted into 11.10 live CD, and still no internet. in 10.x it auto connects without a problem. [08:08] I'm going craz-eeee! [08:33] sagaci: have you been using VB 4.1? I've noticed heaps of configuration updates in it [08:34] head_victim, i think i have to reformat and install 11.10. :( [08:34] why is 11.10 so evil towards me. :( [08:35] xannen: if the live cd isn't working either I don't know that would help [08:35] so new image download? [08:35] Do you have another computer you can transfer drivers from? [08:35] yep. [08:35] Maybe try that [08:36] okay then ^_^ [08:36] First you have to work out what driver is the issue though [08:37] head_victim: yeah, I only just tried VB recently, a few nice updates [08:37] Yeah I'm loving dual screens, means I can test out how it will look before I install. [08:37] I never had the ability to set the load on the CPU either [08:38] didn't get that far into the configuration, I usually just use it via testdrive to see if dailies are working [08:39] lol poor VB as guinea pig. [08:39] xannen: that's exactly what I use it for most personally [08:40] I have used it to help troubleshoot other user's issues on installations I don't have [08:40] i'll reinstall the 11.10 lubuntu on my netbook tonight [08:40] i'm back to windows if 11.10 doesn't work. :P [08:41] xannen: it does work, otherwise millions of people would be cursing. [08:42] What are the results when you type in "lspci | grep Ethernet" into a terminal? [08:43] head_victim, i got 2 ethernet results, and i do have 2 ethernet ports. [08:43] i'm guessing i have a bad download. [08:43] I assume you've tried swapping the cable over between the ports? [08:44] yes [08:44] Ok maybe they're conflicting [08:46] head_victim, help, if that is true, how do i solve? o.O [08:47] No idea [08:47] I'd be googling [08:49] If you want help you'll need to paste the results of the command I asked you to run earlier [08:55] head_victim u on oneiric? [08:55] Fudge: only with VB atm [08:55] thats ok, can u test something for me [08:55] Debating on if I have the time to step through 10.04 to 11.10 or just wait to 12.04 [08:55] Oh I just broke it, need to reinstall, give me 5 [08:55] it'll only take a sec [08:55] loL [08:56] np ill be here [08:56] i tried vb but couldnt figure it out, id hoped that i could run it from a console [08:57] I buggered up the hdd size because I'd used dynamic sizing and didn't realise the space it asked for was the maximum not the minimum [08:57] So just creating a 100gb now [08:58] wow thats huge [08:58] Means I won't run out [08:58] id like a nice little interactive script that just asks me everything [08:59] Well it is pretty easy to set up [08:59] I just played with the settings until I knew what did what [08:59] It's all virtual machines, you can't break anything ;) [09:00] can you actually run it from a console, the vm. Not need X [09:00] No idea :) [09:00] this machien here prob wouldnt even run a vm loL p4 3gig [09:00] I'm pretty useless unless I've done it before [09:00] vbox gui isnt orca accessible last time i tired [09:00] tried [09:00] same here loL [09:01] Evening bejames, you coming tomorrow afternoon? [09:02] hey head_victim, probably not, wife is working and I have the kids [09:03] bejames: ah fair enough, one day we'll get a perfect time for everyone :/ [09:03] I might drag them along for a short visit [09:03] yeah shift work sucks [09:03] I'm actually on a 9-5 as of 2 weeks ago [09:03] Nice [09:03] I'm "filling in" for my boss but apparently looking pretty full time [09:03] u up and running again head_victim [09:03] fingers crossed [09:04] Fudge: the hdd creation is taking ages :/ [09:04] np [09:04] I'll let you know when I have default installed. I won't bugger around with it until I've run your command :) [09:04] all id like u to do is open gedit and use kb shortcut to save [09:04] bejames: yeah will be sticking my hand out for more cash as well [09:04] control + s, it also is supposed to launch speech i.e orca [09:05] not sure if it work sanywhere or just on nautilus e.g desktop [09:05] But yeah, it's so hard getting times/places everyone can do [09:05] thats true [09:05] Fudge: I'll figure it out :) Should it do something on screen or only through the speakers? [09:06] u should see the orca prefs appear as well [09:09] Ok just checking [09:09] The hdd creation is at 88% [09:09] The install should go alright, 2x 2.4ghz cpus and 4gb ram [09:09] Only takes a few minutes [09:14] sweet [09:15] How do I do checksum against iso? [09:16] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM [09:16] Also [09:16] !md5 [09:16] To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows [09:17] ty head_victim ^_^ [09:20] No worries [09:20] Fudge: installing now [09:21] tks [09:24] okay... reburning 11.10 iso image. :D [09:25] miens burnt sitting in drive for a reboot [09:25] but im up to the last ep of startrek enterprise season2 [09:35] Fudge: installing VBox extensions, then a reboot and I'm ready [09:39] ok [09:39] may be a false alarm but if u can test anyway [09:39] Fudge: no worries mate [09:41] Opens the save as dialoguer [09:41] Opens the save as dialogue [09:43] I opened the universal access and the screen reader is switched off, might explain it [09:43] Fudge: ^ [09:44] When I enable it and press control + s in gedit it still asks to save [09:46] thank you very much mate [09:46] loL head_victim [09:47] tks again [09:47] Fudge: let me know if you want anything else checked [09:47] ill isntall it later on tonight or tomorrow, but thanks [09:48] Fudge: glad to help [10:09] head_victim, my network still isn't fixed. :( i checksum my download from last night, and the new image i just download now. they are both the same, and correct according to checksum code on webpage. sigh... so i have no idea what is going on. :S [10:10] xannen: can you post the outcome of the command I said ages ago? "lspci | grep Ethernet" [10:11] )):19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579V Gigabit Network Connection (rev 5) [10:11] 00:19.0* [10:12] 08:02.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8110SC/8169SC Gigabit Ethernet (rev 10) [10:13] Those are the only two results, and correct results. [10:14] And there's nothing odd in your network manager applet? [10:16] u cant get it connected? [10:17] head_victim, not that i'm aware of. [10:17] guess ifconfig only shows loopback does it? [10:18] Fudge, no, my network manager only recognise the ethernet controller, but fails to connect. i only have 1 port/controller with an ethernet cable plugged in, and it recognises that. but fails to connect to the router. [10:18] both ends have clips? tried another cable? [10:20] yes with clips. i doubt it was the cable. all my network is fine until i upgraded to 11.10. but sure, i'll try different cable for the doubt. [10:20] xannen: can you pastebin the results of running "ifconfig" for us? [10:20] !pastebin [10:20] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [10:20] ive had same stuff and you always say it was fine before, but sometimes it has been [10:20] dpkg -l | grep pastebinit [10:20] /exec -o ifconfig | pastebinit [10:21] :D [10:22] umm... my affect comp doesn't have the network/internet, so pasting the result will be hard. LOL [10:23] xannen do u ahve an iphone or android phone, u can get online by usb tethering if u need to [10:23] perhaps check additional drivers [10:24] Fudge, i can't install additional driver because i have no internet/network. >.< [10:24] i do have an android phone, but no 3G data. LOL [10:25] oh [10:25] oh god... why does it have to be the network!! >< [10:26] ive been told lshw -c network may help in situations like this, i just had to google a bit to try and find the command [10:27] the silly thing is, 10.10, 11.04 all worked out of the box for me, even the live cd auto connect to networking/internet. not sure why 11.10 having a network dummy spit. :S [10:27] see how that goes and if ifconfig gets populated, or i guess by what ur saying your ethernet is in ifconfig, right? [10:27] sorry its -C [10:28] xannen: did you modify the network settings for your previous install at all (set up any parameters different to default)? [10:28] The upgrade may have changed them [10:29] no... i didn't. also, i had reformat and did fresh install now. and still not working. [10:29] i'm so glad i have this back up laptop. lol [10:29] Can you pop off the secondary nic and retry the installation? [10:30] did lshw -C network help at all? [10:30] and do u get any offer with dhclient eth0 if thats the interface [10:31] Fudge, after i did: lshw -c network; it output something similar to lspci | grep Ethernet but the output was better format for display. [10:32] Well the ifconfig will tell you if it's set up the eth0 or just the lo [10:32] i just tried: sudo ifdown eth0 ; output: ifdown: interface eth0 not configured, and likewise for eth1. [10:32] whats the logical name [10:33] and can u summarise some of the configuration listed in the cmd [10:33] yep yep. i think i used the command properly. but the point is, it output says it is not configured, let alone be disabled (ifdown) [10:33] i.e [10:33] logical name: eth4 [10:34] configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=e100 driverversion=3.5.24-k2-NAPI duplex=full firmware=N/A ip=192.168.0.3 latency=32 link=yes max$ [10:34] etc loL [10:35] okay, if i run ifconfig, what are signs of bad or no config? [10:35] once i run that command, i get the respect output info about the controller, and of course for lo [10:35] does it say the link state is up? [10:36] Well I gotta leave you to it for a while, probably bbl [10:36] ty head_victim <3 [10:36] np head_victim [10:36] I'd say it's a conflict and I'd attempt to remove the second nic and try again to remove one source of psosible issues [10:36] Cheerio [10:36] how do i remove/disable the second link? [10:37] I'd remove the actualy network card from the machine [10:37] i tried ifdown, but i got message to say that ethX is not configured. [10:37] But if you're not used to playing inside computers that might be more difficult [10:37] i have the network controller built into the mobo. :D [10:37] i'll get the ahmmer out :D [10:37] hammer* lol [10:38] If you have 2 ports and they're different models one has to be an add in card though [10:38] cant u just dhclient both of them and try pinging your gateway after that [10:38] fudge, can you guide me through it? i have no idea where to start. :( [10:39] are you root or user [10:40] head_victim, no no, newer mobo can have 2 built in network controller. like the plug in port is right next each other, along with sound socket, usb, etc... [10:40] yes i am, i can do sudo! waada! :D [10:40] which eth devices do u have? eth0 and eth1 right? [10:40] yep [10:40] sudo dhcleint eth0 [10:40] sudo dhcleint eth01 [10:41] oops [10:41] sudo dhcleint eth1 [10:41] watch for things like offer from your router ip of new ip for you [10:42] okay, i did: sudo dhclient eth0 which is not connected to router. lol. i'm just doing it in order you suggested. [10:42] and right now, it appears to "hang" and waiting for response. [10:42] it will give up so thats cool [10:43] see what the 2nd one does, if u wanna give up on it hit control C but it wont hurt to wait [10:44] yep, i ctrl + c; waiting on eth1 response now. [10:45] and eth1 is connected to router. [10:45] ping the router ip [10:45] ping -a ip [10:45] for a pretty annoying beep if u walk away testing cables [10:45] replies? [10:45] lol damn, what's first 1 digit of LAN ip number, 185.192 ? [10:46] 192 usually [10:46] ty [10:46] look up to your dhclient output, it will be there [10:46] offer from . . . . [10:46] if u get a reply, ping google.com [10:46] if u dont get a google ping reply cat /etc/resolv.conf and see if your routers ip is there, i.e nameserver ip [10:47] no dhclient output yet. ping -a 192.185.1.1 : connect: Network is unreachable [10:48] sorry i thought this meant it did connect [10:48] and eth1 is connected to router. [10:48] thats a strange ip lol [10:48] cat /etc/resolv.conf -> # Generated by NetworkManager No other results besides that. [10:48] k [10:48] is your network manager set static or for dhcp [10:49] sorry jsut shooting through ideas here [10:49] do you get errors or returned prompt when you do sudo ifconfig eth1 up [10:49] it's set to dhcp [10:49] u dont have wirless at all do you? [10:50] wireless even [10:50] im bout to install it myself actually [10:51] * Fudge pokes xannen [11:17] fudge, sorry about dc. but i'm back. [11:21] hmm... my networking is fixed? vaccum the router? o.O [11:23] cool [11:23] done well [11:24] this machine wouldnt really boot oneiric [11:24] lol well i reset and vaccuum it :D [11:24] grub cam up then another screen but thats it [11:24] restart would have done it i reckon [11:24] seems after i ran lshw -C network mine worked [11:24] also... for gpu driver: version-current vs post-release? [11:24] but i thought it jsut lists the stuff, nothing else [11:24] no ide [11:29] head_victim will be pleased [11:30] yes, next time for router/network issues, take out the vaccuum cleaner. and reset it too. hehe [11:34] xannen: good to hear it's fixed but yeah, if the network cards are different chipsets they shouldn't both be on the motherboard, that would be weird in my experience. [11:40] head_victim, see: http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8P67_EVO/ that's the mobo i have. it has 2 built-in lan. not sure how they are configured, but it's 2 onboard lan. [11:41] \o/ all [11:43] xannen: wow, that is odd. They are actually different controllers on the same board. [11:44] i know. lol [11:45] so after spending hours figuring networking issues, reformat, chat on irc, and 2 mins vaccuum and router reset fixes the problem. now i have spend more hours, reinstalling. :( [11:46] Ah well, learnt a good lesson. It's usually the most basic of things [11:47] that's what i thought too. [11:47] but strangely, my other comp at the time ethernet connection and worked, and my laptop on wireless worked. so i didn't think it was the router. [11:48] Could have been a jammed port [11:48] maybe... [11:49] on 11.10, what's the recommended xchat: [plain] xchat irc, or xchat-gnome irc [11:52] I use xchat (without the gnome bit) I think [11:52] okay cool [11:53] i'll try that then. i am using gnome xchat now. [11:54] The beauty of linux is there are 100 different things you can try if you want and find the one you like the best :) [11:55] i want the best handed on silver platter. :D brb relog on xchat. [11:56] hello xchat (without gnome) lol [11:57] telnets the best and ships default on all operatin gsystems [11:57] loL [11:57] Ha, go back to 1975 [11:58] RIP dmr [11:59] lol [11:59] jargonfactory: indeed [12:00] oh god... i need to dl hon again. :( [12:00] sigh... [12:01] head_victim: i felt really bad mate. did C back in high-school and it was so bad to learn of his death. I even have his K&R with me :( [12:01] well half of K&R even [12:01] who die? K or R ? [12:02] boingboing.net/2011/10/12/dennis-ritchie-1941-2011-computer-scientist-unix-co-creator-c-co-inventor.html [12:04] yes it is sad. though, C was awesome at the time, now it's cumbersome after heavy reliance on virtual machine. lol [12:05] C is used big time dude [12:05] (Even today) [12:05] i know... but pointers and memory mgt is annoying, and on top of that there's the usual code bug, etc... :D [12:06] it's nice that memory mgt is out of the way. :D [12:09] I have no comment as I have no idea about programming. Sad to loose one of the figure heads though [12:09] brb relogging into standard unity :D [12:09] wonder what Linux would have been called if there was no UNIX. would it even exist? ofcourse no but it's kind of interesting to think about *what* kind of computing environment it'd have been. [12:10] head_victim: don't worry abt it PEBKACS are everywhere [12:10] Freax was the preferred name I believe [12:10] hah [12:15] hello sagaci <3 [12:15] hi [12:28] on 11.10, how do you set the dashboard on primary monitor for dual monitor? [12:32] As long as you set whichever monitor you want to be primary the dash goes there [12:33] That's in system settings then "displays" [12:34] I just sorted out my virtual box "dual screens" [12:37] head_victim, i had a look at system -> display, and it can't detect my monitors, it only says unknown. [12:38] Ok make sure you have your video drivers installed properly (usually need proprietary for nvidia and/or ati) [12:38] The best way to check that is in the system settings "additional drivers" [12:39] i have, but i installed: post-release current version, instead of just current version, does that make a difference? [12:40] Shouldn't, have you restarted x since installing them? [12:41] yes i restarted my comp after driver update. [12:44] ok, i'll try the standard current version. restarting comp now. :D [13:02] soft center is giving me the sh*t [13:03] yay have synaptic now <3 [13:14] xannen: man, you're so hyper and I used to think I was hyper :) [13:14] hehe jargonfactory [13:15] where do you get all these energy from? guaranas? [13:18] sexual frustration? :P [13:55] i can't wait till 12.04... i feel 11.10 release can be better :D [14:16] night all ^_^ [14:48] lol [14:52] If anyone is interested - Ubuntu Community Council Election results - http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?id=E_234037fcede80bac [14:54] not surprised about dholbach [14:54] :) [14:58] The top 4 were pretty safe, the others were close [15:02] oh well hopefully it's a good cc for the next couple of years [15:03] Fingers crossed. [15:04] First time I've been able to vote :) [15:04] yeah I think that's how they do the debian votes, like for DPL, etc [15:04] that weird voting system [15:04] Yeah, one of the real benefits of being a member. [15:04] You should look into that yourself if you're interested [15:06] yeah I'm thinking next year sometime [15:08] Cool, I just know they're trying to promote it again as a lot of people don't seem to know enough about it [15:09] they were vaguely talking about it on the ubuntu-uk podcast and I agree that a hell of a lot of people in the ubuntu community are quite happy doing what they're doing without having to worry about any membership/leadership [15:10] each to their own... I'd like to go for it but I don't want to apply and not feel like i'm ready (ie. I don't think I should yet) [15:10] Well I think the best way to check is to actually write up your wiki page like you're going for it. You'll be surprised I think. [15:11] yeah, I've been collating a few of the things I've done but I'd like to hold at least one more release party/event [15:11] No worries :) Just sing out when you start chasing testimonials [15:12]